Tom Thayer's Surprising Draft Target Could Accelerate Caleb's Development

[@earthspace3972]

Love all 3 of you guys. Saying "Leader of Men" gotta be some of the most redundant stuff i've heard from chicago sports media in the past couple months. You can just say leader.

[@CoffeeeNBears]

It’s cringe

[@gilbertlloyd8691]

think of it this way. would you want leonidas to lead your army or xerxes? leonidas is a leader of men. xerxes was a great leader. but he inherited more. leonidas can do more with less. you feel me? you want the leader of men.

[@knowledgeuntamed9177]

If I'm Bears 🐻, I'm trying to get a deal 🤝 to move down to 20ish and get an extra 2nd this year and next year. The talent from 8-80 is the same level guys so you want as many picks in that zone imo.

[@williammcrann282]

Look at the way the TE is being used in Detroit Cole Kmet has the skills needed to flourish in Johnson's system

[@BryantJones-c5x]

Bears need a running back that can run between the tackles

[@k2klipz]

They got one. He was just never used

[@NotNykoh]

They need an anchor at LT and RG

[@ryanquinn7045]

I need to know why when Caleb broke the pocket he was forced to throw it away so many times. Why can the bears wr not get open when the play breaks down?

[@kellsmo9488]

Great point. Rome had moments where he and Caleb connected late in games on broken down plays. I’d build off that. But with 3 big assets and a paid TE, you’d expect them to be better at getting open on breakdowns. Saw a lot of guys just stop and sit.

[@thesean3194]

Coaching.

[@ba2ooka19]

This bothered me as well. I don't think it was due to lack of talent though, as much as poor situational coaching and at times lack of effort..

[@richmargin6082]

No a big deal. Im glad he throws it away. Rather than forcing it like many Qbs and throwing an interception. Notice caleb has tecord for most passes without an INT as a rookie. Rodgers did that many times. Caleb resembles Aaron Rodgers

[@ryanquinn7045]

@@richmargin6082 Rodgers would make teams pay when he broke the pocket. I don't think it's a knock on Caleb. The wr need to get free.

[@richarddavis5289]

I think Nate Davis was the beginning of the end for Flus. Dude preached hits, yet had a player doing whatever he wanted then you’d start him when he showed up

[@knowledgeuntamed9177]

8:03 💯 Kap. They have 240Lb RBs. They run Pro Sets. We need to 🎯 Mullens Michigan RB who is 240 and played LB until last year. Put him or RoJo who played FB at Texas at FB and run a Pro Set 60% of the time at least. Swift is signed so he would be used as our 3rd Down RB. This protects the QB and allows playaction. It slows the pass rush and tires the D out.

[@Fatman-y8i]

One thing about McMahon, he was a o-line nut. He loved his o line.

[@tomramey513]

Thayer! My Man!

[@ghetti99]

tom is great i agree we need a dika type coach McCaskey needs to get over wanting mr. nice guy

[@knowledgeuntamed9177]

Thayer would of been our Vrabel in Hallas Hall 😢 but Ownership doesn't let Ex Players be part. Olin and Briggs should go coach @ Illinois

[@rooseveltdavis2526]

Every draft pick that the Bears take should be offensive or defensive line, period.

[@yepyep7629]

What about his lack of desire to hit the check down instead of lingering in the pocket and taking a sack?

[@knowledgeuntamed9177]

12:35 Dexter lost too much base adding speed. Who TF is training these guys? They really need to bring in a trainer who is gonna get guys squatting and building their base and core. Braxton and Jenkins And Wright have Not built up enough mass. Billings is a vet but should be stronger. Booker should of been able to start at some point because you got him strong enough to set the Edge. The trainer is Not doing these things

[@jimcallahan9346]

I couldn't agree more. They also can't stay healthy.

[@kylerimkus7390]

Zero disciplinary action against Stevenson after the Hail Mary debacle = Zero results from the team rest of the season. Plain & simple.

[@user-ne9db8xr4cDave]

Absolutely correct…any good(not great) coach would have put him on notice and benched him until we won a game and if he stepped up fine, and if not let him sit on the bench and fire him.

[@michaelforrester4254]

This right here. The whole team saw this and quit. It’s on poles. Should’ve stepped in

[@irishspongie1657]

Three years of not providing a proven 3-technique when that's the key position this defense is predicated upon is a fireable offence on Poles' part, and that's *before* we get to the part where we have an O-line that can neither run block nor pass protect, and a D-line that can't stop the run or rush the passer. Even Jim Harbaugh wouldn't have been able to get past the lack of talent at these positions; the very fact that the Bears are sticking with Poles is the best indicator that it's the wrong thing to do.

[@1848revolt]

I feel like flus was screwed over by poles. It's embarrassing they couldn't get that pivotal piece for his defense.

[@bingbongID]

Use Cole Kmet. Holy shit what a novel idea I'm so glad it's finally being said I've been shouting this all year and hardly anyone talks about it! He refuses to throw to kmet. He's been open on so many plays and Williams refuses to throw it to him

[@kellsmo9488]

It’s the simplest thing. It’s OL, OL and more OL. DL is important as well. But this has been a bottom 5 OL for 5 years. If you don’t elevate that position group, it won’t matter who’s HC. It helps the passing game and can slow down and extend drives with the run game. Both sides need adds, but the DL has twice the talent the DL does. Detroit is the 1 seed cause they have the best OL. Show me the SB winner with a bottom tier OL. Fix the DL once that’s addressed. But you see way more DL switch teams than elite OL come available.

[@dominicpardo4783]

Amen. Unless they get some maulers in there who can protect the QB and blow open some holes for a RB it's all moot. Until they do that it's just going to be more futility.

[@kellsmo9488]

@ Facts! Harbaugh came in and immediately went Joe Alt. He stood his ground and said this is where we start. I like Odunze. But when Poles said he would move up to take him if he felt he needed to, with 2 PB WRs already, why was he not willing to do that with Joe Alt??? I’d bet this season would have looked a lot different with that dude. WRs are oddly available in chunks every season. But how often do you see elite OL change teams? That should be your answer when building your team. Address the positions that other teams don’t move on from.

[@9190onin]

To certain people Tom Thayer must not know football for wondering why the early games were slow

[@bigbear8794]

OC and player usage aside. Overall discipline was sloppy. Every single drive in the 1st half of games were stalled by penalties, not knowing an assignment, or not performing the assignment properly. That is the "standard" that a HC needs to instill not just with his players. But with the under coaches. They need to not be so easily impressed. Poles with his best OL depth ever comment is a prime example. They couldn't recognize a simple stunt for god-sake. That is not acceptable. At the same time Ben Johnson has been said to be extremely detail oriented, and able to make everyone comprehend it completely. The discipline side is easy for a HC to do. The Ben Johnson aspect is a rarity. They need to hire Ben Johnson & tell him to keep his standards and the standards of his coaches high.

[@jamesweston4089]

Come on. Bears fans for decades have been hearing the same shit. “Accountability”. Let’s hold the McCaskeys accountable first and foremost. My favorite team has been dogshit most of my life. Also, let’s talk about how the McCaskeys stole the team from Mugs Halas. Murdered and covered up.

[@k2klipz]

We need our offense to be better! F a defense minded coach! We need offesne help! Ben johnson needs to be the guy

[@slimthumbtak]

guys. the 85 bears arent coming back. it’s been 40 years. move on.

[@richj011]

They're referencing they way a team is to be built. Doesn't matter if it's 85' or 2055: you build with the lines and a power running game. Poles had a Madden approach

[@slimthumbtak]

@@richj011 then just say "they need to build through the lines." no matter what kind of team you're running, you need a line to win. I'm tired of people evoking the '85 bears. Need to move on. "Chicago Bears style" football has been to two whole super bowls and won one. Build through the lines, yes, duh. But let the '85 Bears go.

[@he-mansuncle7661]

But thinking these offensive gurus can’t be that as well is idiotic

[@roberttatka7150]

I’m confused why with running as a second option is bad? Justin Fields is electric with the ball in his hands. He made more big plays with his legs than Caleb Williams did this year. Also Justin in the first quarter got the Bears a lot of leads that the defense couldn’t hold

[@danielschulz2790]

Caleb still won as many games as him.

[@elvangulley3210]

Fields cant throw get over it he sucked

[@KingSpaceySprockets]

I want a qb not rb

[@Champ-xd5qr]

I guess my only concern with that feedback was that in the end they both held the ball too long and got sacked a lot.. so if Caleb was doing it because he was trying to read all the routes.. and Justin did it but it was one read and run.. then how could they both have the same issue of holding the ball too long behind the line of scrimmage? Seems like cherry picking to me.. they both took/take too long to throw the ball.. hopefully Caleb learns this offseason and we see him build off of what he was able to accomplish this past season

[@sudhamagopalan3522]

Enough with this leader of men slogan already. You can't be so dumb that you make it the be all and end all of any executive search including a head football coach. On the contrary, leadership is table stakes. If you can't figure that out in the first 30 minutes of a first round interview, then that's a deficiency of the interview team. Since Poles got it wrong with Shane Waldron last year, he clearly needs outside help to judge leadership in an interview setting. I hope he gets it.

[@CorneilusGreen]

Thayer is a Caleb shill

[@BlueDan-h8d]

Grant DT OUT OF MICHIGAN AT PICK #10

[@michaelsignore183]

He will be gone by then 😔

[@ba2ooka19]

​@michaelsignore183 You might be thinking about Mason Graham being gone by #10, which I agree with. He's arguably a top-3 prospect in the entire draft!! Michigan had two monster DTs. Kenneth Grant was the other who's more of a nose tackle (still a need for us). He'll go 1st round, but if that's the guy you wanted you could probably trade back into the late teens maybe even early 20s. Walter Nolen (another DT out of Ole Miss could easily go ahead of Grant.

[@michaelsignore183]

@ oh yeah, I mixed them up 🤣

[@BlueDan-h8d]

@@ba2ooka19 ok I can I agree with that maybe to high for Grant at 10 but he's a big need .

[@BlueDan-h8d]

@@michaelsignore183 yep

[@ElizabethMasek]

I have a huge amount of respect for Tom Thayer but I can not disagree with him more. Caleb very very often failed to go through his progressions, and he held on to the ball too long on way more than 15%. Caleb even admitted that when he said, he took sacks on third down because you were leaving the field anyway. He suffers from tunnel vision (focus on Allen when Moore and/or Kmet are wide open), suffers from poor footwork and fails to throw with anticipation (hence holding on to wait for a n open receiver) The Fields comparisons are not productive - let it go (but I saw Fields go through progresssions very often especially second half last year. Caleb struggled to lay NFL O. He seemed confused very often - at least on the all 22's I have seen.

[@TruthMatters22]

Caleb showed way more in his rookie year than we saw from Fields. And he also showed in quite a few games what he can do when he just plays in crunch time. He has a long way to go but he is by far the best rookie QB the Bears have ever had and his stats showed it. And but for mistakes by other parts of the team, we would have had 2-3 more wins this year (7-8 total). (I actually think it would have been more than that as the Washington debacle caused by a selfish Tyrique threw off the locker room so severely it affected their play in the next several games that were winnable.). Caleb frequently looked at his professions and a rarely saw that with Fields even in his 3rd year (and rarely saw him throw to the middle of the field) - something Caleb did very effectively this year.

[@CorneilusGreen]

Thayer is a company guy

[@CorneilusGreen]

@@TruthMatters22False

[@scottzenger2019]

They should have drafted Jalen Carter. But, they want nice guys.

[@CesarChaidez-gy9jg]

Everybody complains about the OL and Poles avoiding it. But they also say we shouldn’t have drafted Darnell Wright and gotten Jalen Carter instead. If we’d have gotten Carter, imagine the amount of bitching this fan base would be doing about OL.

[@kellsmo9488]

I disagree. While I wouldn’t say he wouldn’t have made an impact cause he’s a great player. But they have already added assets to the DL, while the OL was all bargain basement shopping which doesn’t shock to see why it’s been a bottom 5 unit for 5 years. The only OL worth keeping is the guy they drafted and Philly gave you a 4th to take the right position. I’m good with that. Carter went to the one team in that area that he could have the impact. But Detroit went top pick at OL consistently and now they are the 1 seed.

[@tric5122]

Wanting nice guys is not the same issue as wanting criminally negligent guys. Also the need was OL specifically OT.

[@kellsmo9488]

It’s the simplest thing. It’s OL, OL and more OL. DL is important as well. But this has been a bottom 5 OL for 5 years. If you don’t elevate that position group, it won’t matter who’s HC. It helps the passing game and can slow down and extend drives with the run game. Both sides need adds, but the DL has twice the talent the DL does. Detroit is the 1 seed cause they have the best OL. Show me the SB winner with a bottom tier OL. Fix the DL once that’s addressed. But you see way more DL switch teams than elite OL come available.