Tom Werman on Meeting Motley Crue, "Nikki was really difficult," Almost Getting Dropped - Interview

[@mikeesquivel4131]

Shout is Motley's best album... everything about it was cutting edge. The sound and energy just defines what it was like to live in that era.

[@viol8r]

Ehhhh not really, but good album

[@zoso1980]

Then followed up by an MTV market friendly LP even with a safe classic rock cover of Smokin' in The Boys room. They changed images in the 80s faster then Gene changed members of KISS.

[@tiffanystarbeck2279]

Mine is Too Fast for Love

[@mikeesquivel4131]

@@tiffanystarbeck2279 Yeah, that's also a great album. 👍

[@tiffanystarbeck2279]

@@zoso1980 They hated that album.. HSH was really the only good song on that on there in my opinion

[@OneCraZyWhoDat]

1983 I was 10 walking home from wrestling practice in a snow storm and one of the guys walking home with us was blasting Shout at the Devil on the boom box. We were all having a goodtime listening to the album. I still listen to the album today.

[@TMoody]

Masterpiece of a record..... every track still holds up very strong here in almost 2022.

[@gstar7686]

"Shout At The Devil" has always been my favorite Crue album. I bought the cassette when I was in high school in 1984 and wore it out.

[@manchesterexplorer8519]

@@Dozereyes Nah they just evolved into an MTV contract band like most bands from the 80's . Same with Def Leppard after Pyromania . Could you imagine what a band like Led Zeppelin would of evolved into during the 80's if they wouldn't of stopped lol

[@UnderWorldOfDarkness]

Then they started writing songs to get chicks and went downhill thereafter. The follow up albums were great music, Not knocking them. Just that the days of the Shout at the Devil type songs ended with Theater of Pain ...despite keeping the Shout at the Devil lifestyle. Funny how they all hate each other. One of the biggest reasons for that is they were all horndogs ....chasing after each other's women. When you bang your bandmate's best woman ...sort of creates enmity. You know ..that whole spider crawling up the wall thing Nikki used to reference in defense of what they were doing.

[@ytr3488]

​@pojo 10 and. Bruh?

[@Jacobs_Travail]

Stryper was produced by tom

[@j_freed]

The early Motley Crue had the rock ‘n’ roll sound… Sexy, wild, dangerous… Hearing looks that kill on the radio the first time, it felt like driving a very fast car in a windstorm… I don’t know how else to describe it.

[@stephenmahlstedt7276]

I was 11-years-old when I got the Shout at the Devil cassette. It blew me away and had such a huge impression on me. I was totally fascinated with it. One day I was listening to it on my Walkman and my grandmother, Nani, asked me what I was listening to. I showed her the cassette sleeve and she said, “Oh, they are pretty girls.” Haha! Nani was awesome. If I had to name the one album that completely rocked my world as a child, SATD would be it. And then Master of Puppets a few years later. Totally different styles of music and starkly different images, but both bands/albums were complete game changers for me. I feel blessed to have grown up during the 80s. I have nothing but fond memories of my childhood and the music I was exposed to.

[@dalton7145]

Hey I completely agree with both bands/albums, 1 I was 12. The 80's music was about having fun/partying and chicks, then the 90's hit and as they say, it was all down hill from there.

[@craigmapel1415]

I think mick mars is one of the most underrated guitar players & never gets the credit he deserves. All the guys in motley crue looked up to him as a father figure. They screwed him so bad over the years, Vince wanted more money or he was gonna quit or needed money for lawyers, nikki was strung out on herion, tommy needed money for lawyers. Everytime they needed more money mick took a pay cut. Mick was the only stable one in the band & the glue that held them together. While the rest of the guys had million dollar houses, cars motorcycles, mick had the same corvette he had for years & lived in a small apartment because all his money went to ex-wives, child support & medical bills. Mick played to survive, the other guys just played to party. He's an amazing blues guitarist, if you listen to too fast for love & motley crue that was some of his best work. I always liked mick because he could just shread if he wanted to or could be heavy with simplicity.

[@matthewfeduzi4751]

Right on.

[@RikJSmith]

A lot of his playing definitely hinted at what he was capable of. 🎸🎸🎸

[@bionicbastard]

Trust me, dude. Mick could and did party just as hard as the rest of the band....and harder than me for sure.

[@davedean2326]

I think he’s worth 50-70 million. He did alright in the end :)

[@TeleCaster66]

Really? I always thought he was sub par.

[@MrDlt123]

Its amazing how many great songs, albums and bands almost ended up in the garbage pail b/c a record company suit said 'no.' Makes me wonder how many great bands and albums were snuffed right out of the gate, and never heard.

[@garryfrazer9618]

The times when you could buy, play, and listen over n over to a whole cassette or album. When very little was altered to people playing instruments and singing without autotune. When going to a concert a CD was not being played or for fillers. When nothing mattered but the music, the times, the memories! Long Live the 80s!!!

[@dsk333]

vince neil was never a good singer, im sures theres plenty of "studio magic" to make vince sound presentable.

[@sheatanner9935]

@@dsk333 It was called hard work... take after take after take and then they comped everything (taking the best performance of each line and bouncing those takes to a single track). Also a little chorus and detune to smooth out pitchiness.

[@brianregan75]

@@dsk333 exactly …people forget way before auto tune , countless groups were magically transformed into polished acts lol I’ve always been a huge MC fan since the beginning but never knew how terrible they sounded live thanks to KZbin lol After seeing their live US festival I was flabbergasted 🤣😂. I guess that’s what made them “punk” too. Not knowing how to play their instruments. But regardless still love their first 4 albums , especially too fast and shout 🤘🤘

[@rachet0708]

I saw Motley 4 times in the 80's and early 90's, even then Vince was either singing every other line or the microphone would be at center stage and he would be off to the side and you would hear him singing over the PA because it was pre recorded tracks. As a teenager it all seemed so great because of the emotional build up, but as an adult looking back the actual live performance actually sucked.

[@alexvigil29]

@@sheatanner9935 it’s called hard work ? Lmao 😂 go back and listen to Motley Crue bootlegs from the early days , live without the studio magic Vince sounded as bad then as he ever has , people think if he loses weight he’s magically gonna be some great singer on stadium tour , news flash he never , ever sounded like he did on the albums when he sang live

[@dwade6322]

"KNOCK 'EM DEAD KID" is such a BADASS tune.Drums are perfect.💯

[@sayrerowan734]

Too Fast For Love is the best Motley Crue album. So what if it's sloppy? It's basically a DIY punk album. It has Mick Mars' best work on it.

[@gus4u2c]

For a guy who was influenced by Iggy and the Stooges, the New York Dolls, and the Sex Pistols; what would you expect from Nikki Sixx?

[@sayrerowan734]

@@gus4u2c Iggy fucking rules

[@gus4u2c]

@@sayrerowan734 also the spoken narrative at the beginning of the Shout At The Devil album, “In the Beginning", was inspired by "Future Legend", the opening track of David Bowie's 1974 album Diamond Dogs, also a spoken narration. I guess Tom Werrman wasn’t a big Punk Rock fan. I’m sure Raw Power and Never Mind The Bollocks, never made his top ten list of great Rock albums.

[@LordVulcan93]

It was great. But not their "best" album, IMO. That honor, imo, goes to "New Tattoo."

[@mooch514]

@@gus4u2c dont forget. Motley crue was influenced by kiss. They were called baby kiss when they came out!

[@WayneBarroncffcs]

When they released Shout, I was the first in my town of Sanford, N.C. to purchase the album. Every week I would go into the music store, and the owner would give me a discount for sending people over to the store to purchase new metal albums from him. And Motley's, Shout was one of the albums. I am proud to say I was one of the top supporters of the band from the start. Loved their look and their music.

[@nancyhanson5620]

He is sober now

[@ecurbsregor37]

I remember distinctly the first time I heard MC I walked outside to the student smoking area in my high school, one of my fellow students " Filthy Phil" was cranking Live Wire through a ridiculously large boom box. One of those things you just never forget..

[@anthonylynch4737]

Face it any other era motley would never had made it.They were a right place, right time band of the 80's like no other.

[@JTB--]

Too Fast for Love is a great album. Almost a mixture of Metal and Punk Rock vibe. Will always easily be the best MC Album with Shout ranking 2nd.

[@christheghostwriter]

Agreed 100%. I remember buying TFFL at the local independent record store when it first came out (not the release, but the first run the band put out themselves). It was a breath of fresh air, pulling together threads from glam to punk to metal and hard rock. As much as I enjoyed SATD, they never really topped TFFL

[@NorthJerseyFooter]

Yes and I love feelgood too

[@tiffanystarbeck2279]

Nikki being “difficult “ I would imagine it was because he has a vision for his band, and he really wanted everything just so. Everything I’ve heard is that Nikki Sixx is extremely intelligent. Also the song Bastard was a song written by Nikki to his previous manager

[@southernrocksinger]

Smart lady & on point.

[@tiffanystarbeck2279]

@@southernrocksinger he is super nice in person though, my brother and I were stuck in a small airport in Finland with my parents heading back to the US. Our flight was delayed and we were going to be there a couple hours and we were bored as hell, until like out of nowhere, completely out of nowhere , these two guys walked by with black hair, I really didn’t pay attention but my brother did , and one was holding A guitar case , and the other was holding a black duffel bag. My brother said “holy shit that was Nikki Sixx and Tommy Lee” and I didn’t believe him so he took his Polaroid camera and follow them to the gate next to ours where they were waiting on their jet, he took a picture of them , and brought it back to me and they let us sit with them for like 15-20 minutes and waited with them until their jet was ready. .. I was 13 , it was hard to compose myself looking in Nikki’s eyes.. he really was so driven to be successful, And even though Alan Coffman got him the start , I don’t think that they would be a successful as they are today if Nikki hadn’t decided to pull out.. he knew when and where that he was get fucked over and that’s when they got there a whole new start and that’s where that song came from. I’m sure you know already though.. 🤣The beginning when he was still very young and he was still trying to 100 % protect the legacy of his band , first by fighting the whole rights back to his own music, but also he doesn’t like things mass-produced, so to say he is a smart businessman is an understatement!

[@catsooey]

@@tiffanystarbeck2279 I always thought ‘Bastard’ was about the LAPD - there was an incident where some cops jumped them outside a club one night. The cops were out of uniform, so they fought back thinking it was some random people, and then they pulled out their badges and arrested them for assaulting a police officer. That’s what I remember the story being, but it’s been a while since I read ‘The Dirt’. I can’t remember how it was resolved exactly, but I think the charges were eventually dropped for some reason. Great band, and Nikki is an excellent song writer.

[@tiffanystarbeck2279]

@@catsooey that’s a true story, but that’s when he wrote “ Knock dead kid” 😊

[@sunjester8254]

No, it's because he's a dysfunctional junkie that he's difficult. Also, extremely intelligent? Maybe he could be considered smart by average standards, but not compared to someone like Sophocles.

[@jiverdude2775]

I was in high school from 1983-87. Motley and W.A.S.P. were our KISS and Alice Cooper, our generation.

[@johnnyrotten5507]

I was one of those "disillusioned" high school kids who still worshipped KISS and refused to accept Motley as the new kings......but they were fantastic musically

[@massttrshrdrharmonicminor2002]

My dad was born in 62 Kiss and Aerosmith was his shits Started off with Chuck berry He loved crue and all that. Miss him everyday

[@johnnyrotten5507]

@@massttrshrdrharmonicminor2002 yes, they were my "shits" too

[@matthewfeduzi4751]

Too Fast for Love and Shout at the Devil are two of the greatest rock albums of the era. Goes to show how out of touch top brass at the record companies were.

[@ronaldshank7589]

I guess that, back then, the Executives considered Metal to be way out of bounds. They probably thought that groups like Til Tuesday, A Flock of Seagulls, and other like-minded material to be heavy enough for the "masses".

[@doctordetroit4339]

Too fast is slop

[@ThrowLeather]

Too Fast may be a little sloppy to some but I call it raw and great.

[@daveg4236]

@@ThrowLeather a little sloppy? Mick has said too fast is nothing more than a demo they'd give clubs to get booked

[@lexbeltran1354]

Even the punks at my High School in the 80's liked Too Fast

[@PolishHammer]

still have my 1983 Columbia House 12 for 1 penny LP Shout in slightly worn out condition in the livingroom next to the turntable , thanks Tom and Crue 🤘🏼🤘🏼

[@nathanaddenusic9680]

Man, This was a joy to listen to. Always love hearing the Behind The Scenes stories👍

[@LordVulcan93]

"Nikki was really difficult." That's odd, his wives (Except Courtney, but give it time because he'll cheat on her, too) said the same exact thing.

[@ScottAnd]

You sound like a scorned teen girl

[@allsystemsgo8678]

So his ex wives had bad things to say about him?! Shocker. They're not a biased source, lol.

[@buddywilliams5650]

@@allsystemsgo8678 Sure they are Nikki Sucks is a liar and satanic hack and fraud. Franky Six is a bottom feeder.

[@gregchapman6190]

Nicki has always seemed like a arrogant dirtbag to me

[@jackih9682]

He’s probably already cheated on her. As long as he’s bringing in the money she don’t care.

[@summerwolf1414]

the record company should have never fucked with the origional too fast for love record. It should have been left as is raw full of mistakes band interactions between tracks. Thank God i still have my copy of it. if you don't know there are 5 versions of that record. (record....fuck i'm old)

[@HeadNtheClouds]

Records are coming back, it’s the ‘hip new thing’

[@thebikewatcher9819]

@@HeadNtheClouds yeah freaking hipsters.

[@MrJackcorgi]

2 or 3 versions of the leathur TFFL album all have slight differences. I couldnt list them but I know when I hear them

[@eddieisgreat5150]

I got into crue, i was in grade 7 in Toronto Canada, that would of been 1983, my friend George. Hes cousins with guitar player Phil x,George also was and is a kickass guitar player also. i met him,Phil a few times growing up. Really nice guy.He had his getto blaster, George that is lol at school and blasted the shout at the devil albuml at lunch time. Saw them on there theatre of pain tour, 6th row center floors Y and T opend up, i remember smoking hash joints so stoned. I was sitting down during Y and T, all stoned and really enjoying the concert, when crue came out, everyone stood up, i was like ahhh man lol i was so content to just sit lol i was like in this dream of being high and all relaxed 😂 fun time thou lol

[@jeffmartin3451]

One of my first albums and still one of my favorites. The second side was particularly strong. Classic.

[@LordVulcan93]

I wore the tape out listening to "On With the Show." Listen, rewind, repeat.

[@ytr3488]

​@@LordVulcan93 And? Just what are you trying to prove? 🤡

[@re8746]

I bought the cassette in 1984 when it came out. I was 14. No long after that I bought Too Fast For Love and it was on. What I would do to go back 1981-89.

[@glengamble526]

They first released the TFFL album independently on Green World records. And the buzz from that helped them get signed to Elektra-and when they signed with the major label, Roy Thomas Baker was brought in to remix it and they re-released it as a stop-gap album, while Shout was being recorded. So there are two version of TFFL available.

[@MrJackcorgi]

They self released TFFL on leathur records, and was then picked up for distribution by greenworld,then electra.

[@peteraron2621]

Nikki knew the direction he wanted for his band some might think this is difficult I think it's just sticking to his guns

[@secretidentitynetwork6218]

It allowed them to become the toast of the town

[@PlayerToBeNamedLater1973]

Writing songs is difficult even if you have drive to be a rock star. Lots of us would have made it if desire and drive were all it takes

[@anthonylove821]

Nikki is one of the most under rated fake bass players to ever “play”. Probably played one show of his career while stealing the fans money. Sour soul.

[@chriskolb3105]

So true. He’s fucking talentless.

[@sixxmesixx]

You have no clue what you're talking about! Nikki is an exceptional bass player and songwriter. Without Nikki Motley wouldn't exist. He was the architect. He always plays live. That is a fact. Don't talk about someone you don't personally know. It makes you look foolish. No one works harder or is more creative than Nikki. He is an incredible person. Just stop with the jealousy. It's a bad look.

[@yessirskis7780]

@@sixxmesixx lmfao! Cry about it! 🤣 Nikki is a shitty human being who objectified women and abused drugs and played every show so drunk or high it wasn’t fair to those people that paid to see them. He was all for show and never was a “true” rockstar

[@deeceea9488]

Truly a horrible musician. Just an awful bassist. If you can imagine that.

[@theariesexperiment4642]

The worst show I've ever seen was Motley on the Dr. Feelgood tour at The Civic Coliseum in Knoxville Tennessee. The were chugging Jack Daniel's and Yager on stage and screwing up musically all over the place. Mick was the only one who appeared somewhat sober and did sound great. Vince left the stage after the first song and didnt return for 2 songs as the band kept trying to play on. People started booing and throwing shoes, bottles, even a section of the front crowd barrier on the stage. It was starting to get crazy. Finally Vince came back out to a symphony of boo's. It was a borderline riot. Anyway,...they struggled through about 7 songs total and stumbled off stage never to be seen again. Understandably,...people were pissed. The next day,...the band went on our local rock station 103.5 and issued an apology,.. which,...wasnt received very well. Needless to say they lost thousands of hardcore Crue fans that night. They didnt return for almost 15 years.

[@momotaro6113]

😅😅😅

[@kevinkaatz883]

I'm starting to believe the Nikki was replaced by fake Nikki. My Spidey Sense is real strong, and it's tingling.

[@NTJ891]

You should interview the person that did the photo shoot for Shout at the devil

[@fullinbloom]

No doubt. It has crossed my mind before.

[@gus4u2c]

@@fullinbloom the album cover is an homage to the Beatles’ Let It Be album. The original black cover, naturally is an homage the Beatles’ White Album, that had the track Helter Skelter, which Motley Crue covered on Shout At The Devil.

[@dwade6322]

@@fullinbloom do it!!

[@seagullpoet]

Saw them open for Ozzy. They looked wild and dangerous for real. Never saw anything like it before or since. They were bad news on stage.

[@30317john]

Yep they are a studio band awful live

[@sithlordjeffbledsoe651]

I was in fourth grade when my cousin who was in high school handed me shout and she said here I don’t like this . I popped it in my little cassette player and bang I’ve been a metal head since.😎🤘🏻

[@RussellStClair-cy1vu]

I saw these guys at my Jr. Highschool . Their first album was recorded in Nevada City , Ca. I went to school with their managers daughter .

[@MrJackcorgi]

Was she able to hook you up with early merchandise. It's worth a small fortune now.

[@UnderWorldOfDarkness]

2:55 - That's why before any band releases their 1st album, they should already have written enough songs to record 3 albums. That way if your band starts to blow up on the first album and the record company wants you back in the studio right away, you already have 2 more albums written, plus whatever new unfinished riffs and songs you've written while on tour.

[@williammetcalf7239]

Shout at The Devil is my favorite Motley album and always has been. Too Fast for Love is bad ass too. Quite a bit more raw, almost punk like. I only saw them one time, back in 99. They killed it for sure.

[@markjclark2620]

😳😳

[@CatsInHats-S.CrouchingTiger]

Their album covers always scared me. My friend used to play the album record and it had groove, but I couldn’t get passed the rude album cover, but it was quite a thing seeing all those flames and aggression. They were way more aggressive looking than Kiss.

[@dennisthemenace5466]

My first concert March 18, 1984 three days before my 13th birthday. They opened for OZZY and Mtv filmed the OZZY show for Saturday night concerts🤘🤘🤘

[@fullinbloom]

Happy upcoming b'day!

[@daviclar867]

I got a walkman for my 16th bday around Shout came out so I bought that, Night Ranger Dawn, Paul McCartneys Tug of War, The best of the Mommas and the Papas, Billy Joel's The nylon curtain. All those tapes got plenty of play but Motley got worn out the fastest.

[@madnbad1408]

Tom Werman was a good friend of mine. Good guy.

[@festalongreyhawkshorts4sho645]

Shout was their best, IMO. But ya gotta give Crue Credit, every Album, was completely different , in almost every way. 2 fast was punk based. Shout was in-your- face Metal at its best. Theater was kinda Pop-Rock- Glam. Girls was a mix of Metal, Glam, Pop. Etc. Etc.

[@maga-hat709]

So "Shout" has sold something like 4 million in the US (and maybe 1-2M outside) and it's one of their biggest selling albums ever. Now explain to me why Wikipedia lies about Mötley's worlwide sales which are said to be some staggering "over 100 million albums sold"? It just doesn't make any sense. To reach "over 100 million sales" they should've had some 20 albums which ALL sold as well as "Shout". Which they certainly never had 'cos many of their albums didn't even reach gold status (500.000 copies sold) in the US. So there's major lies on Mötley's Wikipedia page. They NEVER sold "over 100 million". 20 million is probably closer to their accurate world wide sales. If even that much, I'm being generous now here.

[@Col_MULLY]

Sept 1983 I was 15. Shout was THE album.

[@brooksrownd2275]

Hard to believe it was released in 1983 - don't think I knew of it in 1984 and it was probably 85 when I started listening to it, but I thought of it as being really new at the time.

[@aleyva44]

Saw Motley in 83 opening for Def Leppard at Jack Murphy Stadium..San Diego…they were on second and I was on grass about 30 ft from stage..holy shit !!! This 14 yr old was hooked!!

[@fabigomez8562]

SHOUT AT THE DEVIL,my favorite album of Vince Neil Era...

[@benbaird2129]

Me too. Motley Crue with Corabi was amazing. Weird isn't it, I don't think the band understands how much us fans wanted another raw hard edged album loke Shout, until it was too late.

[@davidharrison8397]

Shout at the devil was they're best album.... Period !! Every song on that one was great... they're other album's probably only three good songs on every album since

[@wangota]

That was a great time in music. I bought that cassette and played it in the dark with my Christmas lights in my bedroom. Playing games on my Commodore 64. Lol

[@juve3690]

Too Fast For Love had a gritty, garage band sound that was cool IMO. But when SATD came out, I was impressed with how much more polished it sounded, like a TRUE rock band ready to make it BIG. And they did. The intro to SATD was impressive to my buddies and me the first few times we heard it, like WTF is THIS?! In the beginning...I listened to that album so many times I could recite that intro almost word for word. HA. I like both albums still, but SATD is my favorite from MC, followed by the John Corabi album. Lots of great music from MC. Too bad VN isn't up to the task to do the songs justice anymore live. But we do have the cd's, etc that will live on and sound awesome long after we are gone.

[@tiffanystarbeck2279]

The grittiness of TFFL is what made it wonderful. When then they remastered it, omg it was trash!

[@olikat8]

Funny thing? I ended up working on Nikki's sister's home in the Seattle area. Her husband & I have the same first name...they were great folks

[@stevenshippy5966]

It’s was the perfect first hair band album to come out n set the tone of the Hollywood hair dream bands. Than to go on tour with OZZY. Epic!!!!!!!!

[@kevinblake839]

I never liked Werman's production on those '80s metal albums. A rare exception is Love Hate's 1st album, which sounds fantastic.🤘

[@LordVulcan93]

I still can't stand "Theatre" to this day. Might be worse than "Girls."

[@davidmerlin3344]

I met them at a record store signing that tour. I took a pic of Vince as he posed for me.

[@MENFUSSMIKE]

I bought Shout At The Devil when it came out. 8th grade. Skipped on the fluff that was Theater of Pain and got back into them during Girls and Feelgood albums. Too Fast For Love is probably my favorite though and Mick Mars is the man

[@MVPgoalie]

record company absolutely promoted shout at the devil, thats how i heard of the band, i was a 14 yr old fan before even hearing a song

[@MrJackcorgi]

They did more promotions as the record got more popular, but never really gave it that big money promotion other acts were getting

[@nicksideris2600]

Werman made good bands sound great..End of story

[@hoosierdaddy2308]

Very very cool..

[@brianjohnson2905]

I am 53....I listened to this on a siny walkman...,,...headphones on my head all dummer... I was 13... ..I also had Bark at the moon ...same summer

[@sonijam]

I like that song at the end! Reminds me of Dax Riggs from Acid Bath.

[@markcopeland3892]

Unpopular opinion here.. Crues best album was with John Corabi. But I do like all their stuff

[@shlepmessing8703]

Dr. Feelgood was pretty solid.

[@whitelion1111]

Listened to SATD song many many times last week, oh yeah!

[@jeffpfohlman195]

In 1981-82, I was 13 , my older brother and I, bought tickets to see kiss at Irvine Meadows an outdoor venue in orange county California in Irvine I was really happy I thought I was going to be able to see my childhood rock hero Ace Frehley a few months before the show Gene and Paul kicked ace out of the band I was heartbroken I wasn’t going to see him I was pissed at Gene and Paul I still am! it was there a creatures of the night 20th anniversary tour last tour with make up for a while I love it loud tour and they were good that night they had a young phenom on guitar named Vinny the wiz Vincent was really good but he was no Ace Frehley but it was the opening band that started big time for my generation I’ll never forget I had read and hit Parade or cream magazine that they were across between kiss and Van Halen I never forgot that so we’re going up the hill to Irvine Meadows to our seats the lights dim I could hear the beginning of what was to beginning to piece of your action it was Mötley Crüe the first tour out of the Hollywood clubs the Starwood whiskey a gogo Gene and kiss took motley on tour for a while too fast for love tour they open for kiss and they kicked ass that night I’ve seen Motley Crue maybe 5/6 times they were never better than that night they were unbelievable young and hungry and they sounded great that night but for me they are included as one of the best just because they were on top of a whole generation of young rock and rollers for sure they were the kings of the Sunset strip no doubt I loved shout at the Devil is probably my favorite album from them I saw Theatre of pain girls girls girls I think Dokken opened or maybe Whitesnake but that night in 81/82 when they opened for kiss and that only happened for a couple months after that they headlined they were really good that night so much so we didn’t buy anything kiss my brother and I we got motley Crue T-shirts that were printed black and white I just like the back cover up too fast for love are they had demos that they were selling at the windows that we bought one it was their demo that had stick to your guns a song that didn’t make it on too fast for love but it’s a really good song so I’m at the us festival when I was 14 benefits of being the younger brother he always bought me a ticket to go to the shows to my first concert first live band on stage was in Anaheim California angels stadium iron maiden number of the beast tour they were the first band hit the stage second was scorpions blackout tour third band was lover boy they were actually pretty good similar to triumph at the us festival they surprised !!! the headliner was foreigner who I’ve always liked the singer Lou Gramm, motley was something special that night I’ll never forget Irvine Meadows is now gone but boy that was a great venue for concerts live outdoors stage facing the hills the sound reverberated off the hills back into the crowd it was amazing as for kiss every time I saw them they got blown away by the opening band this wasn’t the first time but Mötley Crüe definitely did another time I saw them Queensryche open for kiss and they blew them out of the water no ace no kiss.

[@ButcherGrindslam]

Michael Wagener made the original mix of "Too fast for love", not remix.

[@StrangersWithGuns]

How come the spotify channel has stopped?

[@fullinbloom]

I wasn't sure if anyone was even listening over there. There's definitely some stats and growth on Spotify but there's no interaction, so it's hard to tell what's real and what's fake. Honestly, I got sick of all of them: Apple (especially), Amazon, Soundcloud (totally seems fake), and Spotify, plus all the other goofy podcast sites. Is that how you found us?...on Spotify?

[@cplineberger]

The Nikki double dude did all the bass parts... 🤣

[@mikeb2611]

i met the Crue backstage in 1987....Nikki was a dick....he was probably having issues with drugs that i didnt know about at the time though....Mick was the nicest

[@devinspruill]

Bring back the old outro music!

[@dennismcdonald2607]

I keep trying to find that song!

[@scottwhite2757]

Yes please.. :)

[@Malama_Ki]

The old tune had a catchy hook, and if he had a link to iTunes he’d make some cash. Maybe he took advice from the old president of Elektra Records.🤷🏼‍♂️

[@fullinbloom]

HA! It's not a replacement. It was only a one-time deal.

[@fullinbloom]

FOOL OF FATE "The Parting"

[@keymaster430]

Nikki was an extremely nice person. I guess it was back in 1989, I was in an airport in Florida and there was a guy with long hair behind me in line. I turned to talk to him and we started talking about Motley Crue. He said the Nikki was an extremely nice person. So, that's how I know.

[@seandowning5918]

By the time shout came out I was already burnt on them,

[@gunnerseven7724]

Too Fast For Love is anything but a sloppy record. It is a masterpiece and the inception of a totally killer band.

[@dsk333]

the sound of that record definetly has a garage band sound and thats what gives that record its charm.

[@gunnerseven7724]

@Frank Fuentes I agree except that all crue albums from Too Fast through self titled are my favorite Crue album.

[@chipzpix]

best part was the song with cornell at th e end

[@s.f.morris7331]

I read the shout at the devil album ran them about 50,000

[@thebipolarbear1]

Love the motley news

[@hadleymanmusic]

I made the mistake of trading destroyer and kiss alive 2 cherrylane publishing song book for this album.

[@billhewlett1214]

Saw them open for ozzy six months later they headlined in Boston ratt opened blew off the stage on live radio crew we’re wasted completely embarrassed

[@MichaelSmith-ig8bw]

Yup, saw that show in Boston. Ratt blew them off the stage. Crue was WASTED.

[@luckyjones22]

Is this where the Matthew Trippe story came from?

[@tiffanystarbeck2279]

After Nikki was in an accident with his Porsche he had to get a sling and he broke his shoulder so he couldn’t play, so Matthew tripe was trying to fool everybody and pretending that he was Nikki and until Nikki was better but it was all bullshit, he lied he tried to scam people and it was just a some dumb guy who was obsessed with him.it I believe there’s an article on Google that you read. He swore until the rest of his life he was Nikki’s replacement while he was recovering until he past away

[@danielfox3003]

The first album is my favorite, so raw, great songs. Shout at the devil put them in the map but after that they just started writing crap.

[@stereotype5868]

I wore a few shout records out.

[@chris-fc9im]

Too fast for love is a masterpiece , there is nothing else like it , shout is a few steps down and everything after is trash.

[@shlepmessing8703]

Dr. Feelgood isn't trash.

[@ceetruth7419]

Werman admitting to Nikki sixxs car wreck gives more possibility to the truth of the doppelgänger story of Matthew trippe! If he couldn’t play bass how were they out touring? I’m believing the Matthew trippe story more and more!

[@LordVulcan93]

For the record, I've ALWAYS believed his story. Nikki likes to "exaggerate" the truth.

[@ceetruth7419]

@@LordVulcan93 there was this attorney who came out that was working for trippe and he said he didn’t believe any of it until doc McGhee and some bouncer guy showed up to trippes house! Trippe claims he’s the one who designed the album cover and wrote many of the songs that sixx got credit for! That a lot of the bands image was actually trippes inception! Once I came across the attorneys story I believe it all!

[@mooch514]

Nikki couldnt play bass. Horrible...its no secret that studio bass players played bass on the albums. And motley gets a lot of help " live"

[@ceetruth7419]

@@mooch514 they are frauds! The main reason the president probably wanted to drop them is because Nikki sixxs uncle was vp of capital records and he probably didn’t like Nikki sixx attitude! Not many people know his uncle was vp of capital records!

[@Cincinnatus1869]

I have a bridge for sale if you are interested

[@kelsawyers3597]

How was working with lita ford in 91 for dangerous curves

[@bigbobbitchinii123]

I'm still pissed. I went to the record store right after its release. My uncle owed me a album of my choice. I already had heard too fast for love and wanted shout. My asshole uncle wouldn't buy it because of the pentagram on the cover. FUCK MAN! Those original covers are hard to find now. Needless to say I saved my chore cash and eventually bought it myself. After they changed the cover to the original back picture. Still their best L.P.

[@erichhitchcock3368]

I was in a record store in Hartford, CT and was going through cassettes with Tommy...finding the one he was looking for. He goes, "I've been looking for this since LA...and I find it in Hartford...who woulda thought." They put on a great show, he stole it with that kit rotating upside down.

[@STETTRACE]

Yeah Shout is DEFINITELY a monster. STILL

[@hadleymanmusic]

I read about these guys in penthouse mag in about april of 83. Pink smoke grenades were their gimmik

[@pawlpoche8736]

I heard heard George lynch never liked Tom…because he wasn’t a musician like most producers are. Kinda like Rick Ruben. He just gives advice/opinions

[@phnigra111]

Love the group shot at 07:04 ! Wonder if those gals were true girlfriends or hired to be there for the shoot… ?

[@stvalue3]

🤟 Dee Snider 🤟

[@krisscanlon4051]

Geoff Workman was the engineer

[@mooch514]

Motley opened for kiss in 82 83.

[@johnnyscarecrow3363]

The original release of too fast for lovers Superior to the commercial release. Also I'm pretty sure Motley produced most of it themselves at least Nikki did

[@joeyhandeland983]

Who's the band at the end?

[@fullinbloom]

FOOL OF FATE

[@johnnymata3159]

Shout At The Devil, A Great Album And A Great Tour! 1983 At The El Paso County Coliseum. AXE A Biker Band Opened.

[@chriswilgus165]

Dr.feelgood was their best album by far...imo.

[@timsacco6g694]

As far as I'm concerned, the two best Crue albums are definitely Too fast for love and Shout at the Devil, period!, yeah they had a few good tunes after those records,(hell my ex old lady, when she was cool got me tickets for Christmas in 85?,the Theater of Pain tour when Autograph opened up for them!), but shit after that?, I don't know?, my sister a few years back got me a ticket for them, Def Leppard and Poison, etc, for Xmas, but covid bullshit has put it on hold, I hope to Christ, Mick makes it until then and Vince gets his chops back!🤣🤣🤣

[@edsphone6952]

kinda like how Def Leppard had a nice raw sound on the first 2 (or 3?) albums.....the the polishing begins...

[@markashlock3752]

Certified four times Platinum how many records is that ?

[@fullinbloom]

4 million.

[@natestakely1478]

So what I'm hearing.... Obama is half way right when he says, "ya got lucky, you didn't build that". If you like grammatically correct sheet music, do easy listening Werman. No, it takes a much younger perspective to realize its the freakin beat Werman followed by screaming guitar then repeat. Often. Werman must have loved cat scratch fever. 1,2,3, - 1,2,3....... 1,2,3 - 3,2,1 repeat.

[@godetonter4764]

No matter what Motley Crue became Live Wire was high energy and Heavy. Too bad they continued to get weaker after Shout At the Devil. Ballads went from Danger to the Aerosmith - Home Tonight plagiarized Home Sweet Home

[@clsieczka]

Tom and all his projects sold millions of records. End of story.

[@troyelliott390]

👊

[@jasonmartin5154]

I've been better than Nikki on Bass since I was 13!