The comments have spoken. I think a remake is in order? 👀
@cameroncondreay595011 ай бұрын
“Aside from that one crash the AI have been well behaved” mate that crash with the Ferrari into the final chicane was entirely your fault 😂
@Umar-gw6fy11 ай бұрын
Lol he caused all the accidents
@dazofthemoo153111 ай бұрын
Big difference between being a fast driver, and a fast race driver.
@Tom9710 ай бұрын
Of course it was! But my point is 'Normal' AI don't randomly brake check. Also the contact model is unrealistically sensitive, minimal contact leads to a crazy incident.
@carlaosorio57168 ай бұрын
@@Tom97 Mate where is 1:46 it's exactly the time I managed at spa francorchamps with the Ferrari F2004
@carlaosorio57168 ай бұрын
@@Tom97However no slicks or pirelli p zeros cause I play normal Assetto corsa for more experience
@MalcolmTann0 Жыл бұрын
Crazy how only Red Bull & Mercedes have won the championship in the last 14 years
@raomega6460 Жыл бұрын
Yes! This is an issue that gets overlooked. I think that's just ridiculous, but that's the hill f1 is willing to die on unfortunately.
@anteplibela Жыл бұрын
@@raomega6460 the only issue here is the skill issue by other teams
@mickeydguglia Жыл бұрын
@@anteplibela nope is the FIA and Liberty media ruining the sport, they gave a lot of "Gifts" (I hope inadvertently, but I know its not) to Mercedes (2013 Pirelli's gate and private Catalunya tests, 2014 engines gate, 2018 rims gate and 2022 TD39 with only Mercedes wanting it), and RedBulls (Probably more random favoritism, they couldnt foresee that using the 2012 Pirellis on 2013 car would've made RB that fast, 2021 with that stupid race management, unfair for bot Ham and Max), and the private test being banned and budget caps prevent other teams to catch up, if not for a change of regulation (like in 2014 and 2022, where both the domination ended), add that Ferrari has been a joke since 2014 (and when they nailed the car like in 2017, 2018 or 2022 they couldnt develop it properly and other than that they do a lot of "Extremely dumb" strategies every now and then)
@offsprite Жыл бұрын
well it kinda was a money problem for the majority of the time@@anteplibela
@KA._.144 Жыл бұрын
after pre-season testing it's obvious whos gonna win. if RB's faster then RB's first driver wins, if its merc the mercs main driver wins.
@mrmehdi474511 ай бұрын
"I'll try and keep pushing" pushing people off the track that is 😂
@Tom9710 ай бұрын
💀💀
@cool_kiddo989 ай бұрын
Nahh💀💀
@DeanRiddell-h3q3 ай бұрын
Init every crash was his fault 😂
@angeloo730711 ай бұрын
Overtake ❌ Spin the other cars off ✅
@Tom9710 ай бұрын
I mean there was some overtakes in my crashing.
@CadJuice9 ай бұрын
10 Second Penalty for Ocon.
@King_Goat_JJ Жыл бұрын
Can't believe this year is the 20th anniversary of Michael Schumacher's final & 7th world f1 title. Just the best memories
@the4gotensavior11 ай бұрын
Bro should be black flagged for how many people he crashed out😂
@XolSanctum11 ай бұрын
12:31 just gave me flashbacks to Monaco when Kimi said "I'm gonna hit him when I see him" 😂
@jonathanbolton2263 Жыл бұрын
Tom absolutely murdered kimi
@MentalParadox7 ай бұрын
it's more of a hobby for him anyway
@JTeam45 Жыл бұрын
I keep thinking of how funny commentary would be, "AND HERE COMES LEWIS HAMILTON! Hamilton, loses a place to Hamilton, it's Hammertime!" Michael, Jenson, Nico, and Kimi would feel like the odd ones out here 😂
The 2023 mod wasn't realistic, that Red Bull was a beast on the straights.
@shutupsethlampton Жыл бұрын
It may be a beast against cars from the same regs but all the 23 cars are slower due to the added weight and the downforce design philosophy which carries speed through corners better but increases drag on straights
@MMM-wg2vm Жыл бұрын
That was only relative to the rest of the field tho, no?
@vamositalia4600 Жыл бұрын
@@shutupsethlampton You are right, but in the video the 2021 car was faster on the straights than Tom's car; that's why I wrote that comment. If It would have been only the 2014 to 2016 cars it would have been absolutely fine.
@vamositalia4600 Жыл бұрын
@@shutupsethlampton Keep in my mind that the 2023 Red Bull DRS effect was insane, whenever they've opened it the car gained so much more speed; in fact I think apart from the 2019 Ferrari no other car from 2017 to 2021 was faster on the straights than the 2023 Red Bull.
@kristiyank9888 Жыл бұрын
@@vamositalia4600 DRS - yes, but you can check Las Vegas for example with Verstappen seventh fastest top speed.
@paulstaacke8953 Жыл бұрын
The Brawn is imo one of the most beautiful cars of all time
@PcWilli_13 Жыл бұрын
Can only agree So simple yet it looks so amazing
@SURGASURGE12 Жыл бұрын
The Brawn is IMO the only car from the 2009-2016 era that actually looks good. And MAYBE the 2012 McLaren, but only with its original nose. I hated those rear wings.
@vamositalia4600 Жыл бұрын
@@SURGASURGE12I've always liked the Lotus cars back then, black and gold was a good combination.
@JEUndisputed Жыл бұрын
I agee, its such a nice clean livery, i wish they'd been able to stay in the sport for 2010
@kbk239 Жыл бұрын
It has this very ghetto look I love it
@MPGRantsF1 Жыл бұрын
Got me thinking, it would be so cool if F1 actually did events like this.
@ChrisStoneinator10 ай бұрын
Imagine crashing these cars tho. They’re quite literally irreplaceable now.
@craigratio9 ай бұрын
That DRS sign flying over the finish line in 12th place was pretty incredible.
@Tom97Ай бұрын
Glad someone picked up on that!
@mattisvettelfan5 Жыл бұрын
Is astonishing that 14 of the cars were Won by Hamilton, Vettel and Verstappen really are legends we have been able to witness
@balintujvari9666 Жыл бұрын
Rosberg
@mattisvettelfan5 Жыл бұрын
@@balintujvari9666 Yes he Won 1 but Hamilton 7, Vettel 4, Verstappen 3 is total 14 what I meant
@thearsenalmisfit241411 ай бұрын
Yep the cars they drove were unbearably dominant.
@mattisvettelfan511 ай бұрын
@@thearsenalmisfit2414 Not True Vettel didn't have a dominant car in 2010 due to poor reliability or 2012 again poor reliability and Red bull and Mclaren both had 7 Wins Hamilton didn't in 2008 and Verstappen Won in 2021 a season Mercedes Won the constructors so that is not entirely true
@afallenworld158111 ай бұрын
@@mattisvettelfan5 The RB was dominant but not reliable. The only year that RB had any threat was 2012 but the McLaren had an even worse reliability. 2021 the RB was better for about 70% of the season but Merc had probability the greatest season upgrade in F1 season, those last six races were dominant. Just like 2005, 2006, and 2009, the winners of the year had the best car for the first 8 races but Ferrari, McLaren and Ferrari caught up but Alonso and Button had built a very big lead that it was would have needed extra races to catch them.
@RuanAntunes711 ай бұрын
Michael Schumacher’s Ferrari will always be favourite looking formula 1 car. Something about the design just makes it look superior even though it’s super old…. I want to see a version of this race without you controlling any of the cars.
@RBenjo21 Жыл бұрын
Basically it comes down to race distance. Over a race distance, because of a lack of refuelling, battery charging, etc., a 2004 car can be 100% all the time whereas a modern car can't.
@juanjosepinzon1683 Жыл бұрын
Although the modern car would have an advantage in tyres, even if the modern ones have a very small operating window they could give some issues to the 'tyre war era' tyres. Idk, just saying
@KA._.144 Жыл бұрын
If your using new rules as no refeuling itd kill the V10s with fuel limit, the mandatory AS fuels, ect. but thats all nerd talk let go racing
@h4rshturtle45610 ай бұрын
The 2017 onwards cars are the fastest in corners but they are wide and heavy so straight line speed is good but like the late 2000 cars are faster the hybrid era cars 2014-16 are the slowest they where really slow back then
@juanjosepinzon168310 ай бұрын
@@h4rshturtle456I think on the corners yes, they were the slowest, but on the straights they were flying almost as fast as the 2004-2005 monsters. So Monza could be interesting
@Tom97Ай бұрын
That's true, but all the cars have an 'middle' amount of fuel preset in them for this.
@franchico_o Жыл бұрын
accurate verstappen simulator
@leemwangi917311 ай бұрын
😂😂😂right?
@Tom9710 ай бұрын
Roleplaying to perfection.
@FluffyTitanium9 ай бұрын
@@Tom97 No, you didn't win the race (:
@AkaczF1 Жыл бұрын
Tbh I would like to See Another 20 Championship Cars Soon From 1984 to 2003 Or Some Race on Like 80s Season or 70s Season
@jax4113 Жыл бұрын
Assetto Corsa AI is too bad for that
@ThatBeanieRacer21 Жыл бұрын
The Perfomance difference in that would be much larger than this one
@KA._.144 Жыл бұрын
imagine he did 50-70s🤣 massive H16s, wings 20 feet higher than the car, and pretty much F2 cars,
@SLSMe11 ай бұрын
Same
@richard_nj10 ай бұрын
I think the outcome would be very straight forward. Except for the last 20 years, the pace of F1 cars has pretty much always improved very quickly and very consistently. Early 2000s cars would annihilate those from the 80s. The result would just be a reverse of the starting grid.
@theovilleminot550810 ай бұрын
Man, the R25 is just... astonishing... And the sound of that V10... My favorite car so far, I'm happy it's the winning car
@KirigayaOokami Жыл бұрын
2:55 _I'm still so happy I got to touch the RB7 during the Red Bull Lisbon showrun event, unforgetable day._ 😭
@benben340911 ай бұрын
The 2020 Merc should've won. It was the fastest on paper
@geezersqueezer171610 ай бұрын
it started from really far back.
@gunner2636 Жыл бұрын
You should do this for every championship winning car going all the way back to 1950 if thats possible of course
@Max15MV Жыл бұрын
I think the results would be very similar, anything before 1998 would just get overtaken
@Tom97Ай бұрын
Imagine...
@CountFisco Жыл бұрын
As a fellow advocate of small racing cars, can you do a video racing f1 cars but at 75% scale? (Like 1.5m wide, 4m long, and dont forget less weight is also important for racing). Im intrigued to see just how much the racing improves and hopefully itll open the eyes of other people to the potential for action that smaller cars provide
@Tom97 Жыл бұрын
Hmmm... I don't personally know how to mod per say, I just race them. Are you talking about a scaled down current F1 car?
@miro4013 Жыл бұрын
@@Tom97 If I'm reading it correctly he's meaning like shrinking the cars, so turn the current 2023ish boats into sizes like that of the 1970s. less weight shorter wheelbase and narrower would make for better racing especially at like Monaco for example.
@wss3311 ай бұрын
It's the weight not the size that's slowing modern F1 cars down.
@ImThe5thKing10 ай бұрын
@@wss33 The size is part of the problem. Not necessarily slowing them down, but making racing less enjoyable to watch. Especially at Monoco and most street tracks for that matter
@CountFisco9 ай бұрын
@@Tom97 Sorry for late reply but if you know any modders who could make that kinda thing happen yeah without too much adverse effects to the handling. I mean something that handles like maybe a modern f2 car but lighter and a bit more power. In terms of racing, the current cars are too wide, heavy, long and fast (in that order of priority). For sure theres an argument that F1 cars need to be of a certain speed and stature, its an argument I despise but must respect. That doesnt mean there cant be other racing series that capitalise on cars with a bit less grip, less length , less weight and much less width, to create great racing. As it is theres only two near competitors to F1, being Indycar and SF which are both unimaginative as hell. And for SURE in the world of simracing where we dont need to be bound by economics and physics and safety blah blah blah - i dont get why this has never been done before? A racing league with smaller cars would make people realise their merits instantly. I might be preaching to the choir but if its possible for you to find a mod and make a video like this that would go a long way.
@jeicobsi11 ай бұрын
Suggestion: put some cameras to see the fights with the others cars not only yours. But its a great idea. Nice to see it!
@funguy87311 ай бұрын
Good video, but I would've preferred if you used the championship winning car. They usually matched, but there were a few exceptions, like the '08 and '21 seasons
@Linus-tz2tk11 ай бұрын
Yes. I think he ist just to stupid to know the difference.
@Tom97Ай бұрын
I think a remake is in order.
@makotheowl9 ай бұрын
Brother got at least 60 seconds of penalties
@Tom97Ай бұрын
I'm Max Verstappen.
@MiluxF1Ай бұрын
It is diabolical how 75% of the cars are mercedes or red bull
@Tom97Ай бұрын
Credit to them. Other teams gottta work harder.
@MiluxF1Ай бұрын
@ i agree
@karolgyore7082 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for choosing Spa to do the race on, best circuit with best cars!🤩
@some205guy Жыл бұрын
A fun idea would be to take the runner up cars of these and pin them against eachother
@Tom97Ай бұрын
Good idea!
@arfanandas Жыл бұрын
Bro got the best chance to say "used by a guy to beat Hamilton in an equal machinery" but missed big time😂
@12348654110 ай бұрын
I was amazed you didn’t continue taking out the other cars once the tires burned up.
@sch24r9 ай бұрын
lmao that drs board in the end😂
@Tom97Ай бұрын
😅
@garfield987like9 ай бұрын
Mercedes 2021 constructors world championship 🤨
@Misterjt1111 Жыл бұрын
That was quite unrealistic but very cool!
@Tom97Ай бұрын
Needs work.
@Blackout201_11 ай бұрын
You probably won't do it because it would be kinda the "same" video but with the Renaults being so OP I think it would be interesting to do a one shot quali and then reverse the grid based on that. That way it's more likely to see all the cars in action at some point since everything behind you might come to overtake you while everything in front of you is slower than you are.
@juankawai11 ай бұрын
It's ironic how you only hit Raikönnen and Rosberg. I'm not saying they're the best but it sums up their careeer
@stevieboymkii11 ай бұрын
After 2004, have to disagree. At that point, we entered the contstantly ugly phase of F1. Prior to this, cars weren't too bad but ever since all the weird looking aero and the super long cars, they're all ugly as hell now. The liveries improve some of them but the car shapes themselves are just not remotely appealing compared to what came before.
@dennisbrannvalls1fan96411 ай бұрын
Should have done WCC instead of WDC since this is based on car performance and not driver performance.
@aaronedmonds41379 ай бұрын
Imagine one race like this.
@r.a.6459 Жыл бұрын
20 cars are a bit too much, personally for me it should beall championship winning cars by _unique_ drivers (8 - F2004, R25, F2007, BGP001, RB7, W07, W11 and RB19); race is full distance with their own pit stops (refuel or no refuel).
@jiklo7910 Жыл бұрын
hey tom! where do you get the mods for both cars and tracks from “beat the pole lap from 2023 and this video? love your videos, keep it up 👍! thanks
@Tom97 Жыл бұрын
Everything is always linked in the description of every video!
@jiklo7910 Жыл бұрын
@@Tom97 also have you ever had any problems with your game crashing after loading mode because that is happening to me when trying to load the spain circuit that you have used. please help me!
@jakegargiulo51019 ай бұрын
What an interesting concept, can't wait to watch
@rnv4491 Жыл бұрын
In 2021 Mercedes wins the constructor championship. They should have their car there
@Tom97Ай бұрын
True.
@nducation803911 ай бұрын
The Mercs were a lot more dominant than this red bull car, and Senna and Prost's McLaren was even more dominant.
@skinnyergs11 ай бұрын
nope
@iranterres11 ай бұрын
Enemy of the 8th gear
@BenFlipsCars6 ай бұрын
14:38 *takes out Rosberg* "Sorry mate. Right were gonna have to push on now" 💀💀
@Tom97Ай бұрын
😅😅
@370DatsunZed11 ай бұрын
Magnificent! Just found your channel! Love it! Is this PS5 or PC? Forgive my ignorance I do not have an F1 game for my PS…yet.
@Tom97Ай бұрын
PC!
@Apratis Жыл бұрын
The best videos you post are using Assetto Corsa, keep it up
@Tom97Ай бұрын
Agreed!
@lionemessi Жыл бұрын
Finally someone tries it over a short race distance
@waynebob730311 ай бұрын
Great video, enjoyed watching the race. Idea for another video, why don't you get all the obscure F1 cars thought out the years. Thing like the Lotus 59b turbine, the Brabham BT46 and the Tyrrell 6 wheel car.
@Tom97Ай бұрын
This isn't quite that, but close enough? kzbin.info/www/bejne/a2LUhZiffdqCp5Y
@hadithelegend Жыл бұрын
BRO I LOVE VIDEOS LIKE THIS PLEASE KEEP THIS UP 🔥
@michaelroberts925011 ай бұрын
You could have added all the title winning cars 2000-2023 but anyway very good video!!👏👏
@mruniverseme11 ай бұрын
would've loved to see where you would have ended up if you were in the W11
@rdreyes68606 ай бұрын
People forgot how absolutely rapid and unfair Alonzo's renaults were. In 2 years of that decade the cornering advantage the renault have with the mass damper is the same as Hamilton's Mercs have with its perfect powerplant and DAS.
@Tom97Ай бұрын
Genius innovations. Red Bull Blown Diffusers, Brawn Double Diffuser, etc
@harveyspecterdj666110 ай бұрын
Dude if you'd drive like that on an official race I'd fume at you LOL 😀 It's not a snow plow mate 😀 That was fun though hehe
@Tom97Ай бұрын
I can do better for sure, AI play their part they're all over the place.
@aleksandarpantic845011 ай бұрын
question am i the only one who liked the 2018-2021 cars the most (exept for the sound)
@Quurble Жыл бұрын
maybe next video do the best car from each era, so from the 50s, 60s, 70s etc
@CharlieBeveridge11 ай бұрын
If all the cars were running the same tyres, the Ferrari F2004 would win that 10 lap race with ease.
@star-vg8zt Жыл бұрын
Saw your twitter post Tom. Stay strong brother ❤
@Tom97 Жыл бұрын
💗
@kevensousa94111 ай бұрын
Half of the grid: Mercedes and Red bull
@HollowR6S9 ай бұрын
*literally drives straight into the back of hamilton*, “Hamilton having none of it”
@MiG-25IsGOAT2 ай бұрын
So how many cars would you like to have? Mercedes: *Yes.*
@Tom97Ай бұрын
I mean that can be applied to Ferrari and Red Bull too haha!
@FazekasMártonLászló8 ай бұрын
Your setup was only downforce 300 kph on the straights is crazy
@s4uced0911 ай бұрын
i watched one of your vids a while back and i have to say they are very entertaining to watch
@Tom9711 ай бұрын
Cheers!
@benjaminpedersen63459 ай бұрын
Can u do one with all the wierd looking / wierd concept cars like 6 wheeled and that littlw ferrari and so on
@Tom979 ай бұрын
I'll see what I can do.
@michaeltrumph12111 ай бұрын
If they're all on slicks, the F2004 obliterates the field
@horsepower5237 ай бұрын
The bottom line is that it's just a video game and not in any way shape or form representative of real life F1 cars. We could only find out which car is really the fastest if they were driven on a real race track by the same driver in similar weather conditions and on the same tyres.
@Tom97Ай бұрын
Thank you!
@husainmalla539511 ай бұрын
those who say that the RB19 was a monster, you guys just found out that it wasn't the case. The W11 was and will be the fastest F1 car of the Hybrid era.
@juankawai11 ай бұрын
Can someone tell how this works as some of the cars have no DRS
@martimpaiva45479 ай бұрын
the difference from the old cars to news is BIG
@Arxhiemtb11 ай бұрын
The W12 was the 2021 championship winning car though… not the RB. Verstappen won the drivers but Mercedes won the constructors with the most points. So surely the W12 should be there instead. Not certain on the rest of the history before that but did this happen with other cars too?
@patrickbateman-cu8gf11 ай бұрын
idk why mercedes fans complain about only 3 race winners in 2023 yet there were only 3 wdc's from 2010-2020
@valecasini11 ай бұрын
So impressive how the 15-20 years old were this fast compared to later F1 cars 🤯
@Alatyreon11 ай бұрын
always easier to push in clean air, Tom and the W11(even the rest of the cars) was stuck in traffic for pretty much 70% of the race having to defend which will hurt their pace.
@SuperDougstar2 ай бұрын
@@Alatyreon there's a gulf in class. It's not like 3rd was anywhere near to 2nd
@ethanspain11 ай бұрын
2016 was not the only year hamiltons teammate beat him. it also happened in 2011 and in 2022 : ] he also drew to his teammate in 2007
@bernardchan8153Ай бұрын
no way the W11 would be stuck so far behind the V8 RBs with half the DF.... it should be right up there in the top 3.
@OMEGA-ry5lc11 ай бұрын
F1 cars having 8 gears… Tom using only 7 at all times. Tom clean driving, crashing into all the AI Also Tom while yes I did crash buuut it was his fault he turned into me. Bruh
@matthackathorn10994 ай бұрын
I'd like to see this but all with modernized tire compounds.
@lucasribeiro-ko8jo11 ай бұрын
"2019 mercedes flies past" in eu rouge, whilst on the rev limiter of gear 7, not even 8
@xXxDeamonlordxXx11 ай бұрын
With modern tires the F2004 would have been a little further on the top, 5 places or so^^
@alfiestickler938011 ай бұрын
Feel like it would have been better to have the winner of the constructors car rather than drivers
@furkanalbayrak5129 Жыл бұрын
Crazy that the last time a team apart from Mercedes or Red Bull winning was 2009. And that was the Brawn team that eventually became Mercedes. The sport is in desperate need for another team to win.
@Pablo-g6z11 ай бұрын
Ferrari for example or Mclaren
@Linus-tz2tk11 ай бұрын
Ferrari won 2008.
@MravacKid11 ай бұрын
I find it suspicious that all the grooved tyres cars did so well... those should make them *much* slower than the others.
@mitchellhenning1586 ай бұрын
You should do the same race in reverse grid order and see if the older cars catch you
@Tom97Ай бұрын
Well I sorted it in faster to slower. So the other way the field would just spread.
@JiriNovakCZ7 ай бұрын
Killed everybody and: "we got through in one piece". Lol
@Tom97Ай бұрын
That's not my problem or my bill to pay...
@HonestlySpeaking02810 ай бұрын
Surprised the 2020 managed to only get P7
@Tottenhamfan4027 ай бұрын
If you were doing it on constructors, then 2021 would’ve been merc
@anttipaalanen87046 ай бұрын
A lot of collisions should you give some penalty because of it? 20 sec per collision?
@nastystew694210 ай бұрын
The 2020 mercedes should of been the fastest to track records on every track. During the pandemic, they never raced at Spa
@Celatra10 ай бұрын
...yes they did?
@Tom97Ай бұрын
They did...
@_jogicodes2 ай бұрын
This needs to be done with qualifying, no cars out of order
@Tom97Ай бұрын
But the race would be boring. The field would just spread.
@_jogicodesАй бұрын
@@Tom97 Easy fix. Take the fastest one yourself and skip your qualy session to start from the rear
@JL-gf3yc9 ай бұрын
Do 1950 to now!
@Tom97Ай бұрын
Wow lol
@F1ThePitlane Жыл бұрын
Could you share your graphics settings please? Looks great
@MENQN11 ай бұрын
That 21 Mercedes was in fact a 2019 spec car with little or no upgrades compared to the Costcappen RB
@Linus-tz2tk11 ай бұрын
But Mercedes won in 2021 (i dont know why he showed the RB there because RB didnt win in 2021)
@MENQN11 ай бұрын
@@Linus-tz2tk Because they decided to retire Perez car for Max to become Champion in Abu Dhabi 21 because of the lack of laps left behind the safety car
@Linus-tz2tk11 ай бұрын
@@MENQN What? That has nothing to do with that.
@MENQN11 ай бұрын
@@Linus-tz2tk We will never know until Checos Book comes out that would be top seller in Mexico for when he retires
@Garage_Distinct_Clips9 ай бұрын
bro he is talking about why didnt he used the w12 since it won in 2021@@MENQN
@5tig_ Жыл бұрын
Red Bull didn't win the 2021 WCC title. Mercedes did
@Tom97 Жыл бұрын
The video is about the title winning car/driver combo, not team focused.
@NB-ww9bz Жыл бұрын
You should get every teams best car like the rb19 for red bull and w11 for the mercs
@KA._.144 Жыл бұрын
1950 Alfa Romeo 159😂
@batuhan400210 ай бұрын
Wonder why the F2004 is that slow...Spa has some legs
@911wasaninsidejob5 ай бұрын
2021 should've been the mercedes, that's the title winning car
@Scamuel317 ай бұрын
I assume this is DRIVERS championship not manufacturers