Are Expensive Microphones Worth The Price?

[@tombuck]

Which of these two iconic, or "miconic", microphones do you best? Will the Shure SM7B be the one you choose, or will you elect the Electro-Voice for your voice?

[@lionheartroar3104]

RE20 is worth it SM7B- overrated- no

[@TheHypeCom]

I own the sm7b and an re320 but I still want the re20 cause it’s sound is just so unique and amazing. I would say the sm7b is the more versatile mic, it’s the best option for most people, but I personally prefer the sound of the re20.

[@TheFinalRevelation1]

The RE20 looks far more sophisticated. The only thing that lets it down is the shock mount.

[@TheFinalRevelation1]

In my case I did not want to invest in something which I did not love for its looks so I bought a rode pro-caster. Not sure if other people feel the same. The SM7B must be great, no doubt but I don't know why people praise it for the looks.

[@BillAnciaux]

I prefer the RE20. Sold my SM7B and hope to get the Electrovoice soon.

[@keith3915]

I love the mystery mic box the aesthetic of your show is always so fun and creative

[@tombuck]

Truly scientific 🧪

[@TheStudioFreq]

Cool comparison. Thanks. Just a suggestion though. The switches on the SM7B do change the frequency presentation of the mic as you said but that frequency change does not sound "compressed" as you suggested. I'm sure it was just a mis-speak. EQ settings used for broadcast do often have various similarities from person to person - which often include compression, but eq in and of itself definitely does not add any form of compressed sound. Fun fact - some of the compression we hear in broadcast is actually happening at the broadcast station which also compresses the sound before it hits the air (radio/tv). For streaming, other than the affects of the streaming codecs being used, if someone wants compression for the "sound" of it, it all needs to be done by the user now. I'm a full time sound engineer (25+ yrs) and I really love your channel. You've got great content. There are just some things that are very specific in audio engineering that sometimes are described and/or explained incorrectly by folks who have learned audio from other video folks or KZbin videos over the past 10 years or so. There are at least 10 misnomers (audio principles and/or definitions) that are constantly being perpetuated across KZbin that come from videographers teaching videographers audio. I almost feel obligated to comment when I see those things to try to help steer the ship back on course for as many as I can. PS, Pro user tip: when used properly, mics can be used as front end EQ's in the sense that proximity to the sound source has a big impact on what frequencies are captured in the recording and specifically what the volume (amplitude) of those frequencies are. Audio engineers use mic placement to get the perfect balance of both frequency response and reflection at the input. That way the sound can be enhanced in the mix rather than needing to be "fixed" due to poor placement. A final tip for today is one of the BIGGEST differences in mic quality is how a mic behaves "off axis". Each mic has a frequency response on axis, but the off axis info is what makes the biggest difference in how one mic performs over the other. That's where the cost of a microphone enters in. This is still noticeable in single mic uses, but is VERY important for stereo recording as the the stereo image relies very heavily on the off axis info being shared across the pair of mics.

[@tombuck]

Definitely a misspeak on my part, but thanks so much for all of the additional info!

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

The RE20 has always been one of my favorites. Back when I was in sound engineering school I used it for everything. I had access to Neumann mics and all sorts of high end gear but my favorites were the re20 and the AKG 414. But the 414 is obviously a very high end mic. I personally had an RCA 77DX but it got stolen. I wish I still had that thing.

[@thatchinaboi1]

Which school did you go to? What year did you graduate? I got my audio engineer degree from SAE NYC in 2001.

[@mbvglider]

RE-20 is my favorite mic for mixed use (singing + speech + instruments), but I think it's hard to hear in head-to-head comparisons why it's worth the money. It doesn't necessarily shine in a head-to-head audio comparison, IMO, because you can't hear how much easier it is to EQ compared to the SM7B when the vocalist has poor mic discipline (like me) because its off-axis response and proximity effect are so even and controlled. I once did a song on the SM7B where I was both engineer and vocalist, which meant frequently walking to and from the mic, and every track sounded so wildly different that if I wanted to comp a track together, I needed to adjust not only volume but redo EQ for every single phrase. For what it's worth, I think SM7B in its sweet spot is extremely flattering to most vocals and speech, but you have to be in it. I also use condensers at home, and they can sound amazing, but it's more of a pain to use because you have to try to find moments of relative silence, lose some otherwise quality takes because of a car driving by, deal with pop filters or plosives, find yourself struggling with Izotope RX or other audio repair programs, etc. The RE-20 gets solidly good results, not amazing compared to others, but in my experience, it results in the highest rate of keeper takes, just make sure you get a FetHead or Cloudlifter so you have enough gain for comfortable monitoring.

[@tombuck]

That's a great point- the way that a mics fits into your workflow is a huge component that goes beyond the basic sound character. The RE20 is a lovely mic to work with. I hadn't used one until recently, and when I learned that they've been around for so long I really understood why. It's just an outstanding mic.

[@shaft9000]

True, that. Mics won't reveal their differences in isolation nearly as much as when you are mixing multiple tracks recorded with one model of mic. The most direct way to hear is to record some barber-shop harmonies yourself. A very revealing example is the classic SM57/58 compared to most vocal mics; they have a bit more presence and ability to 'cut through' a dense mix than most other dynamic microphones can, due in large part to it's significant coloration (...more like a mountain of boost spanning 3kHz to 11kHz) that peaks with a bump of >6 db @6kHz. It also send low frequencies under 200Hz into a strong attenuation of 5dB-per-octave. This imparts a focused or slightly 'muscular' bandwidth for tenor and alto voices to thrive in, but isn't so flattering to sopranos (especially if they are at all nasally-sounding), and entirely unsuited to a basso. Every good mic can sound great on some subject(s), but no mic is great at reproducing every subject in every situation. That's why it's much better to have one expensive pre-amp and several inexpensive mics than vice-versa. If I'm combining a dozen or more mics on all the drums and amps and singers - and the mics are all 57s/58s - then I'm dealing with some attenuated bass fundamentals, little to no sub-bass response, and exaggerated upper-mids in the 6kHz region piling up... that will likely need some liberal EQ-ing unless I'm in the mood for some rapid ear-fatigue.

[@kmacradio]

I much prefer the Electro-Voice RE-20 for voice. For music, the Sure SM7B might be better. 5:45 - Electro-Voice presented a gold plated RE20 to Rush Limbaugh for excellence in broadcasting and it was also used by Casey Casem to produce the well known American Top 40 countdown which is now hosted by Ryan Seacrest. The RE20 has been used in commercial radio stations all around the world for decades!

[@tombuck]

I would like to be presented with a blue RE20 for um...excellence! 😁

[@annekedebruyn7797]

Honestly, if you are doing voice work and music, I'd recommend just getting a RE20 and a SM57. The SM57 sounds similar enough to the SM7b where tick both itches. The RE20 sounds phenomenal on kickdrum and things like trumpets and saxophones.

[@marvelousjewelz]

I have the Electro-Voice RE20 and love it! It's worth it! Getting an expensive mic is worth it in the long run. It makes your setup future proof!

[@tombuck]

It’s nice to have something that can last as long as you need it to.

[@StefanUrkel]

wonder how long it takes for the foam to start yellowing and disintegrate.

[@kmacradio]

You picked the right microphone.

[@joshmcdzz6925]

it's not as durable as shure sm57 or sm58.. if you don't believe me, drop both ( re20 and sm58/57) plus the internal foam is going to disintegrate in some years time and it will affect the diaphragm if not taken care of.. but no doubt, it's the best sounding dynamic mic I have ever tried ( sounds like a ribbon mic )

[@alisongaze]

The Re20 will always be my lover

[@tombuck]

I definitely understand why it's so popular 👍

[@DaveSorge]

I'm biased because I have two of the RE20s. I tried the SM7b for a while. It's also a great mic but it sounded just slightly muddy to my ears. The RE20 also picks up some subtle nuances that the SM7b does not. At the end of the day, there is no "best" microphone. There is only the best microphone for you. Great insight as always, Tom. Your videos just keep getting better.

[@tombuck]

You're exactly right, it's all about what's best for the individual. Thanks for the kind words! 🙏

[@Xylume]

My sentiments exactly.

[@arconeagain]

They sound muddy to me also. I'm slightly surprised that many do not pick up on this. I can only guess they're the prey of influencers.

[@thejonathandoan]

Great comparison video. I've always liked the look of the RE20 more so than the SM7B (which is entirely a personal choice), but the main difference for me is, the RE20 has a high-end sibilance that needs taming, and the SM7B has a low end boom that needs taming - also it's harder to drive, so you'll need more gain. However, they both sound great, and I think with a little EQ, I might even prefer the SM7B due to the very smooth and easy to listen to sound, which matters when you're listening for long periods of time. On a side note, your video quality is superb! The cameras you use are very clear and detailed. I love 4K video! Even though, in my case, I'm viewing it in 1440p (my ASUS monitor is native 1440p). It still looks amazingly detailed!

[@tombuck]

Thanks for the kind words! I did a blind mic test last weekend and ended up choosing the RE20 over the SM7B, even though I would normally pick the SM7B first. So I guess that just shows they're both really great! And I'm glad the image quality looks good! I've been trying to hone and refine things as much as I can!

[@spontaneousmixx]

Yeah, the RE 20 got that added "warmth." I had suspected this, but this was a clear example that my perception of the added warmth is accurate.

[@tombuck]

I'm pretty surprised at how difference they sound. They're both great, but just different flavors.

[@CaptainJCRage]

Hi Tom! When I saw the mystery box I LOL! the effort you do for yopur videos deserves a 1000 thumbs up! I really enjoy your contents man! I personally use the SM7B for all my livestreams and after hearing your comparison for these two legendary mics I think I will stay with the SM7B for a very long time.

[@tombuck]

Thank you sir! I really appreciate the kind words! And you're totally right, the SM7B is a timeless mic. I love it.

[@HugoVarvoglis]

I have both and love them both, I think the RE20 is a higher quality mic and the SM7B is little overhyped but both are great mics and you can't go wrong with either. If I had to keep just one of them I would choose the RE20.

[@tombuck]

I hadn't used the RE20 until recently and I was very surprised by how much I like it. It's absolutely awesome.

[@justsomeone953]

I think the SM7B is overhyped too. But since so many people use it I got used to the sound of the SM7B. So I was always trying to get to the sound .... and I got there ... by buying one xD

[@KrisArkade]

I own both, I also own a few Shure MV7's. Ive used all for my podcast. I have a naturally warm and deeper voice and while I love the SM7B I MUCH prefer the RE20 hands down. I feel the RE20 has the slight edge when it comes to capturing mid range tones incredibly well without muddying the lower end. The hype with the SM7B is definitely due to the "aesthetic" of the microphone on camera and with everyone wanting to be the new upcoming "KZbin streaming podcast gamer on twitch tok" they just default to the SM7B since they see everyone else using it. But I am happy to see more people doing some decent research and more and more people are turning to the RE20...which I personally think looks better on camera...even if my friend refers to it as the Robot D**K lol.

[@laredodj7806]

Try the MKH416

[@MattJacques]

I've got the SM7B and RE320 and have to agree the EV mic just gives me a tad more detail and openness out of the box so it's become my go-to, while the SM7B without any EQ or other processing comes across as a bit muddy.

[@nightspicer]

if someone wants to hear those two used on a deeper voice, Booth Junkie made video comparing them (and few others as well)

[@chrisinprogress]

Love the return of the mystery mic box! I think it should be a “recurring character” in the story arc that is “Tom Buck comparison videos.”

[@tombuck]

I agree. Plus I'm finally getting use out of my halloween costume lab coat form two years ago!

[@StrongLatinas]

@@tombuck You rocked that lab coat

[@jackhuckaby]

I have been waiting for you to do this comparison. I use the Sm7B in my podcast studio at home and the Re20 at the radio station I work at. They both are great. I personally like the Sm7b more just because of the way it looks and feels.

[@tombuck]

I agree with you. I had never used an RE20 until a few weeks ago, and I was surprised by how much I like it. They're both excellent, but I think I do prefer the Shure.

[@StefanUrkel]

how about soundwise?

[@billfox3761]

Hi Tom. I love that you're an A/V nerd. I'm a recording studio nerd. I hope you won't mind if I nerd out on you a little bit. When you talk about a microphone being softer, studio nerds initially think that you're talking about the self noise of a mic, i.e. how much noise it puts into the signal. But we quickly understand that you really mean to be talking about a mic's sensitivity. What you're calling a quiet mic is actually one that is less sensitive than another. That's why you want to put a Cloudlifter on it. You say it is quieter than another mic but what you truly mean is that it is less sensitive to sound pressure and needs a little more amplification in order to sound as loud as another mic that is more sensitive. One of the other comments mentioned that the writer liked how your voice sounded using the RE20. To a mic/studio nerd, that comment is spot on. That is one reason why certain professional singers bring their own mic to a gig rather than relying on whatever a sound company might use. After much trial and error, they have determined that a certain mic compliments their voice more than any other mic they have tried. This is good info for podcasters to know because even announcers will benefit from using the "right" mic. Another reason that some bring their own mic is that they like to know that their mic has never been dropped on the floor or been used to stir a beer! As a host of two radio shows at two different FM stations, I use an RE20 at one and an SM7B at the other. As a community volunteer, I can only use what each station provides. On a side note, the RE20 was introduced in 1968. Although the lineage of the SM7B goes back to 1973 when the SM7 was introduced, the SM7B is the relative newcomer having been introduced in 2001. To tie the last two paragraphs together, Variable-D™ is the name of a technology developed by Electro-Voice in 1954 to reduce proximity effect of cardioid microphones. The result is the "virtual elimination of proximity effect." Perhaps this might be why nmbr73 prefers the sound of your voice through the RE20.

[@tombuck]

Thank you Bill! Always great to have things explained in a bit more detail 🙏 I really appreciate you taking the time to nerd out here!

[@GoofyJuice]

Great video, production quality off the chart. Thanks man!

[@tombuck]

I really appreciate that! Thanks James!

[@SavoxYT]

The holy quadrilogy of microphones: SM7B, RE20, Neumann U87 and the Sennheiser MKH 416.

[@ScentsOverSense]

I’ve been wanting an SM7B for awhile now! Sounds so clean. And thumbs up for the Frasier ref! Top 5 best shows ever made.

[@tombuck]

Frasier really gave the RE20 some bonus points in my book 😁 Truthfully, I've had a weird relationship with the SM7B. I first started using them back in 2014 when I built a podcast studio for a school, but we had no idea how to use them properly and I ended up really disliking it (totally my fault). I then spent several years thinking the SM7B was overrated and not worth the hype. Fast forward a little more to a time when I had learned a bit more and now had the proper gear. I literally laughed out loud to myself when I connected an SM7B for the first time because it sounded so good. With the right setup, it's an absolutely phenomenal microphone.

[@StrongLatinas]

I'm going to re-watch Frasier

[@michaelpoczynek]

Can't go wrong with the SM7B and it looks great too!

[@jalabi99]

"Boxes: They're Like Bags With Walls" Well, that's got me sold! Where do I send the money?

[@tombuck]

I forgot to add my affiliate link!

[@GideonShalwick]

I would really like to see you with at least 1M subs - your videos are just SOOO good to watch. Cheers for the amazing review of the 2 mics! The Shure SM7B seems to have a slightly less awesome sound, but I like its overall features more. And you showed that amazingly in this video.

[@tombuck]

Wow, thank you! I appreciate the kind words and am glad you liked the video! I think the SM7B lends itself to a more neutral sound that's great for adjusting and adding EQ while the RE20 is ready to go right out of the box.

[@SammySuperStar]

Great Video Tom!! I have been waiting for this video. I'm thinking of getting a RE20!

[@tombuck]

I’m surprised by how much I like it. I definitely understand why it’s been so popular for so long.

[@StrongLatinas]

Sammy ! We meet again!

[@nmbr73]

I know it's only personal preference - but for me the RE20 sounds so much better on your voice! In some other life I'll definitely get one of these (for my purposes and the time being the Q2U sufficiently does its job for me). Excellent (and fun to watch) video ... again. All the best and have an excellent day!

[@tombuck]

Thanks so much! I was definitely surprised by how much I enjoyed the RE20.

[@jmclaughlin3728]

I listened to a lot of guys out there. You are my favorite! Good information and love the light hearted humor! You do great. Keep it up!

[@tombuck]

Thanks so much! I really appreciate the kind words! 🙏

[@jmclaughlin3728]

@@tombuck It shows that you love doing what you do. 💪

[@MSladekPhoto]

Tuned in out of habit, fell off my chair with the sponsor. "Boxes - like bags with walls." Hilarious. Oh yeah, the info on the mics was nice, too :)

[@tombuck]

Gotta pay the bills somehow now that JCM is free 😉

[@MSladekPhoto]

@@tombuck As a fan of all things cardboard with 6 sides, I am glad you have found a sponsor who shares your values and can hopefully result in a long-term business relationship.

[@omarfmercado]

On my iPhone you can really tell the difference in the characteristics of the microphones. The SM7B really does sound quite a bit more boomy.

[@omarfmercado]

Both sounds great though, leaning a bit more toward the RE.

[@tombuck]

I think the RE20 is a good choice for someone who doesn't want to add any EQ- just record and be done. The SM7B gives a really nice flat tone that can be adjusted to suite a lot of needs/preferences.

[@JustMamba]

The re20 is great for people who aren't very familiar with talking into a mic because of the variable d which almost completely removes proximity effect. It's very forgiving of novices. I love it. I have an sm7b and I know people love it and everything but I really can't stand it lol. I think I might be too accustomed to the sound of my u87 but alot of people love the sm7b and its great for spoken word, podcasts KZbin.

[@khamasito]

Also on iphone speakere, I prefer the sound of the RE

[@maximusaviationchannel]

Not the Sure but the Re 20 YES!

[@chgofirefighter]

RE20 sounds amazing~ I have the Podmic, Shure SM7B and now I'm considering the RE20 :)

[@tombuck]

It's definitely a special mic!

[@chgofirefighter]

@@tombuck Thanks, now I can say I will be having one too! Just ordered one for $379 new! :) Not cheap but its an investment! Thanks for the help!

[@gryjannickejarlum7270]

As an engineer i will say for your voice defenitly the sm7b. That is the best sound i ever heard of your voice so far. And ive been following you for a while. SM7B fit the frequency of your voice perfectly and make your voice warmer and not so hard.

[@tombuck]

Thanks for that mic feedback 😉 The SM7B has become my go-to for a whole lot of reasons, but it’s definitely fun to experiment and explore other mics too.

[@WiktorJanM]

I was waiting so much for you to start talking about the RE20, thank you so much my guy

[@tombuck]

I had never used one until recently, but I'm very impressed by it!

[@NintendoCade]

I am a bit different, been using an SM57 with an A2WS windscreen on my channel. I am familiar with processing my audio with parametric EQ and it essentially becomes an SM7B. It doesn't need a cloudlifter and a heck a lot less expensive. Plus, SM7B became the Blue Yeti, where everyone uses it or wants it, I rather be different. A while back, when you made a video comparing between the SM57 and SM7B, I was sold. Thanks for the videos Tom!

[@tombuck]

Yes, the 57! It's such a great choice and will last forever. I avoided the SM7B for a long time for exactly the reason you said: it seemed like everyone was using it, even if it wasn't the best choice for them. That's actually what lead me to the Super55, which is such a wildly different thing altogether 😁

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

I'm picking the sm7b I love the warmth of that mic and the professional sound it has

[@tombuck]

I love the SM7B. It's really grown on me over the years and now I have a whole new appreciation for it.

[@illegalhedgehog]

the re20 sounds more crisp/fuller yet slightly more processed/unnatural to me. the sm7b sounds super rich and a little too wooly for my tastes but very comfy listening experience… both are 10/10 mics imo, re20 is more crisp/brighter and the sm7b is more cozy/natural

[@tombuck]

I agree completely. I think both are intended to by adjusted/EQ'd to taste, but that's a perfect way to describe the raw sound of them.

[@walterfernandezmusic]

Love the Scientist Tom segment! Will he be making appearances in future experiments? 🤣

[@tombuck]

I gotta get my money’s worth out of this lab coat 😬

[@nuc]

Hmmm… deciding between some mic options. My voice is a bit on the higher end so I’m unsure if the SM7B would be a good fit…

[@tombuck]

The really great thing about the SM7B is the it can be EQ'd to work with a lot of different voices. Out of the box it might not sound the best, but you can use streaming or editing software to really dial in a great sound.

[@HardParking]

I started with a couple of the R20's but with my voice, I found the RE27's being so much brighter, worked better with my voice. So now I have two RE27's in my studio.

[@tombuck]

Ahh yes, I ended up replacing the original lights with LED's about a year after building that studio. The other ones were taking too much power and generating too much heat. LED is definitely the way to go, especially if you can find several larger panels to illuminate a larger space evenly. Then you can add in other lights for specific style/atmosphere.

[@kendrasananikone]

i don't even need a new mic yet i watched the whole video! your videos never fail to make me smile haha! happy holidays Tom!!

[@tombuck]

It means a lot to hear this, thanks Kendra!

[@Matt.Gillard]

Dang! How have I not heard the RE20! I have the SM7B but now I really want that RE20

[@tombuck]

I'm very surprised by how much I like it!

[@Underhills]

But if you had the RE20 you would want the SMB7 - isn't that how we all work?

[@avatahr7547]

Alright- I'll say this. I used to use a Blue Yeti to talk to my friends or people in game, and sometimes people would tell me it sounded pretty good (I used Nvidia Broadcast to block background noise) and it was perfectly acceptable. Because I'm stupid and like to spend money on things I don't need, I purchased a GOXLR Mini and a Shure SM7B, without a cloudlifter (it isn't necessary.) I receive compliments on how good the mic sounds almost every time I talk in game. It really did make a difference, and I love the customizability you get with the GOXLR. So for me, it was worth it. If you are smart and don't spend money when you don't need to, then I wouldn't recommend the upgrade.

[@tombuck]

I haven't used the GOXLR myself, but it seems like everyone loves it! There's definitely something special about the SM7B too. Tough to put into words, but it's there.

[@Me04120]

If you're listening for the S noises during the blind test, you'll pick out which mic is which super easily.

[@CopyWhoTV]

I wonder if you might consider a camera lens tutorial that demonstrates the different visual results with different lenses. Just a suggestion. Very informative videos. Great work. :)

[@tombuck]

That's a great idea! I have a fairly modest lens lineup, but I could probably show some differences.

[@43audio89]

For podcasting the RE-20. its a easy pick.. the whole SM7B trend is hillarious.. Its a dynamic mic that has to get boosted so much that if youre not in a treated room or your set up isnt properly grounded your going to hear artifacts. It has never been considered a broadcasting mic as far as ive known. Not to mention you have to be directly infront of the sm7b in a fixed position much like a condenser mic. Now the RE-20 has the Proximity technology and the No coloration on its off axis's. You can move around and be natural while still maintaining the up close sound. This is why its in just about every radio station in the world. With how versatile the SM7B actually is, it's kind of funny that everyone seems to be using it for the one things its not for lol. It's ment for Recording Studios with controlled acoustics and silent rooms.

[@timfenton4943]

I generally prefer the SM7b, and it's what I used in my podcast studio. I really like the RE20 on your voice though. Also Tom don't think it wasn't noticed that your closed captions said "NOFX" rather than "no effects".

[@tombuck]

I'm glad the extra effort is worth it 😁

[@TheMatrixxandRhodesShow]

I have the rodecaster pro 2 and the preset for the sm7b makes it sound just as good as the RE20. On any other interface I would say RE20 hands down.

[@tombuck]

The RCP 2 presets are really pretty incredible. Normally I steer clear of any presets, but Iv'e been using those ones with little to know adjustments since I got it. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@lancelot222]

Which desktop mic stands are you using? I don't believe i saw them listed anywhere in the description... (but everything else seemed to be there, lol) LOVED the comparison and mystery box. And the twinkling lights added was just awesome :D

[@danielschaller-digitalcrealab]

I actually bought a Shure MV7X because... some Swiss cyber Monday super price... I didn't have the chance to use that much yet but first impression is very good, even more so at that price... oh and there is two links that you actually forgot in the description, the one for the MMB (Mystery Mic Box) and - surely they won't be happy about it - no link to your sponsor... 😀

[@tombuck]

Oh shoot, my sponsor contract obligated me to put their link above the fold! 😱

[@amiocap0242]

I was wondering what I can do to fix my re20? So I’m using the wave xlr with the re20 and my brother decided to rearrange the room and now when I put the mic at 48 gain on the wave I can hear a humming noise :( it’s not loud but you can hear it any ideas or tips thank you

[@tombuck]

Hmm, that is odd. Hopefully it's nothing with the mic itself, so I'd start by checking the cable. Try using a different XLR cable and see if that helps (there's a chance the current cable got damaged or if it's a cheap cable and now it's near a lot of electronics after rearranging it could be getting interference).

[@tcttvradio]

Your ntg is doing a fantastic job here. I have the RE320 I chose it over the re20 and I sold off my SM7B, it sounded beautiful but I think it’s ugly, I never used my cloudlifter for KZbin as my focusrite scarlet solo has a loud solid gain. I use cloudlifter with band mixers. I wouldn’t buy the rode caster pro as it’s not powering that re20 properly, a broadcast quality mixer would run them, I notice audio guys on KZbin don’t use any broadcast mixers to run their broadcast mics. I’d recommend a broadcast mixer if you ever make a tonne of spare money, I just sold off my broadcast mixer as it was too huge for my KZbin desk. What would you recommend for KZbin that has 2 xlr inputs that isn’t the rodecaster? Also you should be using a pop filter on the re20 I use a nice metal one. This video would sell a lot of ntgs that was first class audio at the start. The re20 looks better hanging from above with the cradle on.

[@RGMGFitness]

Tom, have watched quite a few of your videos. But to date I don’t think I’ve heard how (or if) you connect your “ Rode videoMic NTG” into your RodeCaster Pro? I’m curious if your just plugging the Rode VideoMIC NTG into your DSLR Camera and bypassing the RodeCaster Pro all together? I’m asking because I also use the Rose VideoMIC NTG for most of my KZbin videos and debating on buying separate MICs just for use with RodeCaster Pro. Keep those vids coming! Very helpful. 👍👍

[@tombuck]

Whenever I use the Videomic (which is for most of my videos), it just runs straight into the camera. I try and keep the camera's gain turned down pretty low and usually the NTG is set around 8 or 9. 👍

[@RGMGFitness]

@@tombuck Thanks for the response!

[@jtxstudios1]

Where do I find the colored pop filter?

[@tombuck]

reporterstore.com 👍

[@mindfactionpodcast5003]

It’s a tuff one Tom I’m still taken back by the Pyle pdmic78 for 15.00 bucks we started with those I then upgraded the main mics to a presonus pd 70 and the average listener probably wouldn’t know our third mic is a 15.00 mic it’s crazy I haven’t tried a sm7b or rv20 tho thanks for the awesome videos !

[@tombuck]

That Pyle mic really does work well. I’ve still got mine too!

[@InfectiousGroovePodcast]

I'm currently using Rode Podmics and I really love them. I keep wanting to upgrade to Shure but we have 3 hosts on the podcast. So that's quite an expensive venture.

[@tombuck]

It definitely becomes expensive. The PodMic is awesome and I'm sure you all sound great!

[@RyanMcQuen]

The PodMic is fantastic!

[@SuperLaOfficial]

Where do you buy the colored sm7b pop filter?

[@tombuck]

reporterstore.com 👍

[@sorjames-itsachoice]

Im shure 💯 not the only one that like the sound + style & prox is great 2 have in a 🎙️

[@michaelpoczynek]

Thanks for making this video, Tom. I love the SM7B such a great-sounding microphone. Have a great day!

[@tombuck]

You really can't go wrong with the SM7B and a nice interface/mixer. 👍

[@TheKarīMisc]

King of an off-topic question: If I use an XLR to USB adapter, will it be as good as with an interface (raw interface and no edit)?

[@tombuck]

That's a great question, but generally no. XLR mics just really aren't designed like USB mics, so even though it can be possible to get a signal to the computer with those adapters, the quality is rarely very good. Dedicated USB mics have preamps built in to them, which really help.

[@officialWWM]

Ok, where did you get that purple pop filter?

[@tombuck]

Reporterstore.com 👍

[@officialWWM]

@@tombuck thank you!

[@investjournal]

I'm watching on a phone and guessed the mics correctly. RE20 makes a warmer sound to my ears.

[@fridge357]

@@giles3211 Well close, but not exactly on the mark my friend. Warm sound has more emphasis on the mid and bass frequencies which the RE20 does, While the RE20's highs doesn't take a nosedive down like the SM7B'S if you check out the frequency response chart and compare both on Google, which they are compared in the same picture. You will see the RE20 (the blue line) is higher in the lows/mids meaning there is more emphasis on those frequencies, so that is why @investjournal thought it sounded warmer, which they would be correct to think. We all know the SM7B has that proximity effect which puts an emphasis on the lower frequencies which could make it sound warm as well, but it's just all a bit too much to me, the tone gets all messed up and it comes off as unnatural, like you're trying to use EQ to give your voice a deeper sound, but it just comes off as unnatural. RE20 is better for me.

[@phillieg58]

I use the Electro-Voice RE 27 N/D microphones and Koss PRO4AAT headphones. The Shure SM-7B and Electro-Voice RE-20B are great microphones but I choose the Electro-Voice RE027N/D microphone does not have the proximity effect and low output that the Shure SM-7B has. The Electro-Voice RE027N/D microphone uses a neodymium iron boron magnet it has a higher output and wider frequency response than both Electro-Voice RE-20Bb and Shure SM-7B. No Cloud lifter needed..

[@tombuck]

Thank you for this Phil! I didn't know anything about the 27, so this is super interesting to hear.

[@TechAuditTV]

Came for the mics, stayed for the puns.

[@tombuck]

I hope you were not disapunted!

[@grampsradio]

I much prefer the Electro-Voice RE20 and it's the microphone that I use. Rush Limbaugh and Casey Kasem also used the RE20. Limbaugh's was gold plated. As far as the size of the Electro-Voice 309A shockmount goes, It's a great size to put a mic flag on.

[@ColemanWorld]

Where can I get that purple windscreen for your shureSM7B?

[@tombuck]

reporterstore.com 👍

[@amiocap0242]

Is the psa1 compatible with the re20?

[@nukethathihat]

Can you please tell me where you found the purple windscreen for the SM7B?

[@JorgeLG]

Did you watch the full video?? 9:39 where to find the color windshield or antipop

[@ClearAdventure]

If you have one you basically have both because you can just use an EQ to boost the mids on the Shure and it sounds a lot like the EV, and vice versa, you pull the mids down on the EV and it is close to the Shure. I prefer my SM7b out of the box flatter response, and I think I fell in love with the blue windscreen a little, lol. Very cool video! Happy Holidays, brother! - Kevin Venture 🤘😁

[@StrongLatinas]

The rodecaster pro has added a setting for RE20 wild!

[@tombuck]

I didn't even realize this 🤯

[@joshmcdzz6925]

Eq boost won't level it up.. the re-20 has some resonance harmonic freq to it that no eq can bake up.. the sm7b don't have it

[@jeremyhubbell]

We have to find someone with a EV PL10...the baby brother of the RE20...and do a side-by-side. They're discontinued and, as such, are SUPER expensive ($600+) used because they're considered THAT good but it would be awesome to bring back the mystery box for that.

[@TheAntoniow32]

Hey where did u get those colored mic filter for the sm7b

[@tombuck]

reporterstore.com 👍

[@langgaspeaks]

HAHAHAHAHA more scientist segment please!

[@TheTrippleTKA]

I have couple of extra SM7B that's laying around. Where would be a good place to sell them (besides ebay)

[@tombuck]

Hmm, you could always try something like Facebook Marketplace, but it can be kind of sketchy. I've sold gear to B&H and Adorama's used departments, which are much more trustworthy, but you won't get as much as you would selling them yourself. You could always donate them to a local school too. Most school's have some form of media program, and many of them are severely lacking in equipment.

[@TheTrippleTKA]

@@tombuck thank you again for your information! great ideas

[@recappedrelapse2614]

reverb

[@BLACKSYNTH]

The RE20 will always be the clear winner. It has that upper clarity and Air you get from a good Condenser. It's also richer in the lows naturally where as the Sm7b only gets it's warmth from proximity effect which introduces mudd also. I use it for Vocals/Instruments. SM7B is cheaper and hard to beat for the price. but if you just want the better and more usable microphone get the RE20 it's like only like £170 more expensive. You don't need an in line preamp quite as much with the RE20 but I do use a FETHEAD on mine as that way I can let it push my TB12 tonebeast Preamp they way it's designed for more colour.

[@zeonix1748]

May I ask what mic stand you used in the video for the RE20?

[@tombuck]

It's a Samson tabletop stand. Super affordable and works really well! geni.us/Ayyv

[@ColeMason]

This was the best comparison video I've seen so far, thank you! Out of curiosity, what desktop mic stands are you using with both of them?

[@tombuck]

Thanks Cole! The stands are form Samson and they’re pretty inexpensive in Amazon 👍

[@ColeMason]

@@tombuck thanks!! I was looking at those ones and was pleasantly surprised with the price.

[@celiogabs]

Hey Tom. I have a Re20 but Do I really need a cloud lifter when I have a Rodecaster Pro?

[@tombuck]

It depends. I always recommend starting without one, and then adding a booster if you feel like you aren't getting enough gain. The Klark Teknik CT1 is a nice budget friendly option.

[@celiogabs]

@@tombuck thanks 🙏🏾 . Deeply appreciate. And thanks for your videos too.

[@Steizem]

Hi tom, who is the settings are you use with RE20 on RodeCaster Pro? Pro 1 no Pro2... Pro2 is in process but is not arrive at the moment 🤣🤣 Thanks!

[@tombuck]

I use the generic dynamic setting on the original RCP, along with a booster (usually a Fethead).

[@BillAnciaux]

Great video, Tom. Couldn’t find the affiliate link to get my own Mystery Box though. Please add that to the description when you get a chance. 😉

[@tombuck]

Ahh! I'll need to put that above the fold as my sponsorship contract states!

[@realstuff1955]

I noticed your using your monitor to monitor the camera video. What are you using to bring in the footage and what all do you do from the software you’re bringing it in to?

[@TheXaminedLife]

Why don't they build the booster into the electronics of the mic?

[@tombuck]

That’s a good question and I don’t really know. My guess is that there are so many variables between mixers and interfaces that it’s easier/cheaper for companies to focus solely on the mics and then let people add a booster if they need it instead of trying to build something in that might not be universally compatible or used by the majority of users. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@adamj2683]

They have one with pre-amp built into the mic now. The Shure SM7dB.

[@Dominic3400]

What are those mic stands

[@JaredSpink]

I like scientist Tom! Also I want that RE20 now just because of Frasier.

[@tombuck]

Frasier is the best reason.

[@LonneyDavis]

Once again very informative video be encourage keep striving.

[@tombuck]

Thanks so much Lonney!

[@ScottSmithDev]

Bags with walls 😂 - great video!

[@tombuck]

It’s science 🧬

[@Eddylive]

I am a big fan of the super 55s , I have two for my podcast, but I always have that inkling to still upgrade to the sm7b, is it really an upgrade? Both using the unidyne and the audio on KZbin everyone sounds pretty similar. Any chance of a super 55 vs sm7b, I know you have em both

[@teashea1]

However, one must consider the quantum physics issues involved in your mystery box. When you remove the box, you are collapsing the wave function - see any of dozens of YT videos on the Schrodinger Equation.

[@xleung2051]

where to buy the microphone stand? (at sm7b)

[@twoknife]

I prefer the RE-20 in almost every regard, except the internal shockmount of the SM7B. The EV 309 is just so comically large that I pretty much just use the little plastic clip instead. I am sure it is fine for radio, but it is just annoying on a desk or for video.

[@tombuck]

It's definitely a bit obstructive for video, but it works great! I'm definitely impressed with the SM7B's ability to reject handling noise. I knew it was good, but I actually didn't really realize it until making this video.

[@heatherjustcreate]

How’d you get that sweet sponsor??

[@tombuck]

My team worked for weeks.

[@ArisGerontakis]

The sponsorship of this video almost dropped me off the ladder while I was painting the house! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@tombuck]

Gotta support my microphone addiction somehow 🤷🏻‍♂️ (glad you're safe)

[@kevinissac1073]

Hello, I'm coming from the JORGELG Channel to support your content. thanks

[@tombuck]

Jeez, Jorge has been on fire today! What a great guy!

[@JorgeLG]

Gracias familia por el apoyo. Thanks family for your support.

[@artc9114]

Another great endorsment for the RE-20 is rest his sole Rush Limbaugh. Using the Gold Plated version for years...

[@tinycar123]

I ordered the elgato low profile mic arm and a go xlr mini a few day ago. I like the sound of the re20 over the sm7b and I know that the re20 is long with the xlr cable plugged into it. Would it fit onto the elgato low profile mic arm and allow for keyboard space or is to too big? Also, would the handling noise be reduced when connected to an arm. Otherwise, I’ll get a sm7b as I’ve seen people use it with elgato low profile mic arm perfectly.

[@tombuck]

You can definitely use the RE20 with the low profile arms since the ball mount on the arm gives you a lot of flexibility. That arm doesn’t reduce noise very much though, so you’ll definitely hear any accidental bumps and things. If the mic is too long with a cable, you can always try using a 90 degree XLR adapter 👍

[@tinycar123]

​@@tombuck Thanks for your quick response

[@ustinpower]

Haha, this episode is funny. Did you change the style on KZbin? Being a Scientist, cool~ And the sound effect sooo match!Please share that for us😂😂😂

[@tombuck]

I just wanted to make sure everyone knew how scientifically accurate my super scientific tests are.

[@FreerunMediaService]

Well i have the SM7b and the RE320 and yes they sound a little different and at first i liked the sound of the RE320. But going on air with it and listening through the audio processing, the SM7b was more suitable for my voice. The only microphone that comes close to the "fat voice" sound was a condensor microphone ( yes really ) and it was the Audio Technica ATM31a. The Rode Broadcaster was sounding a little thin for my voice. So what you said about try before you buy is correct. Not all the microphones are suitable for any voice. So the microphone to go in this case for me it's the Sure SM7b.

[@tombuck]

It's really wild how distinct voices can sound so different on the same mic. Glad you found one that works for you! I love condensers too, so I'm not surprised that one was your runner up 👍

[@julesc8054]

RE-20 all the way. Let the legend be the legend! I've forgotten how good the RE20 actually is. A little compression and the proximity issues are gone, none of this thin sounding voice every time you move away from the mic as with all other dynamic mics or having to stay a constant distance from the mic. This is why it was used in nearly every radio station. The actual sound difference between the SM7B and the RE-20 is inconsequential compared to the practical application of the RE20. I do think the RE20 sounds better though.

[@ChrisSchaffer]

I feel like the RE27N/D needs to be discussed more in these comparisons - it is a hotter / brighter mic that I think would be of more interest to many content creators who could benefit from the positives of a dynamic mic while also having a much more modern/crisp sound than either the darker tones the two in the mix will give. Also, needing less gain by about 5db can be a real factor for folks with preamps that just won't push an SM7b to the sweet spot. Regardless, a very nice breakdown and comparison of these 2 iconic mics

[@tombuck]

I believe that's what Marques Brownlee uses on his podcast and I love the way it sounds.

[@ChrisSchaffer]

@@tombuck oh excellent! Thank you for recommending that. And just all around from the couple of episodes I've listened to some segments of they clearly have their production nicely locked down, really a pleasure to listen to

[@mattwruff]

You say no effects but if you put a Mic in a box that is an effect regardless of some foam! I choose the MIC in 'Box' 3 (Rode Procaster) LOL

[@tombuck]

My mic box is definitely of the highest quality and not hastily slapped together 😉 It would definitely be interesting to see how a Procaster fares in there!

[@EnzoTavs]

PodMic rocks -- Thanks, Tom! ✌🏼

[@tombuck]

PodMic is a super solid choice!

[@TC_Conner]

I had the RE 20, wanted to try the SM7B and bought one. The SM7B was a better match for my voice so I sold the RE 20. 😎

[@tombuck]

Glad you found what worked! The RE20 is truly great, but I personally think the SM7B fits a wider range of voices more easily.

[@TC_Conner]

@@tombuck I agree, I had to do a little bit more fiddlin and EQing with the RE 20 to get it to where I thought it paired well with my voice. (FYI: The Neat KING B II is another great mic, I don't think I'll be selling it!)

[@glennmcruz]

Hey Tom. Quick questions. I am starting a podcast with a budget. Could I get away with an expensive production console like a Rodecaster Pro with less expensive microphones? Or expensive microphones and less expensive production consoles? I plan to purchase 3 microphones.

[@tombuck]

Heya! I think I sent you an email with this question, but just wanted to make sure you didn't think I was ignoring you here!

[@joejobzor]

did you previously mention the MV7 recently got an upgrade to the wind-screen that's thicker so it's more likely to reduce plosives? If so, is there a way to order this revised windscreen that you know of?

[@tombuck]

It did! It’s not hugely different, but definitely an improvement.

[@joejobzor]

@@tombuck do you know where to buy the upgraded version? Thank you!