Since it's becoming a common excuse, no I did NOT pick bad photos for the 90's guys. These were some of the best individual _contest_ photos available. Generally the most impressive pics you're all used to seeing are from photoshoots, which aren't an accurate indicator of what they really looked like on stage. Be my guest try and find better. I could've made them look a whole lot worse very easily trust me.
@matt70025 жыл бұрын
I have tons of better photos I’ll share of any of the 90s guys in any pose upon request
@Tomn8er5 жыл бұрын
No offence but are you serious? That photo is A) blurry crap B) not a mandatory pose and C) only upper body
@matt70025 жыл бұрын
Tomn8er lol that pic was just the tricep pose I was talking about and was purely to show his tricep that’s not one of the pics I’m talking about I have better quality pics for all poses than the ones in this video for nassar/Dorian/levrone
@matt70025 жыл бұрын
Tomn8er I agree that pic is low qual lmao but tricep is very clear that’s the only purpose of it
@therebel25525 жыл бұрын
With all due respect. In once of your comparison pics between Kevin and Phil you used one of Kevs comeback pic rather than his prime. That's poor on your part
@benjaminli38083 жыл бұрын
I think people underestimate how conditioned Phil actually is/was. He's been so consistent in that regard. Shame his gut became a problem later on.
@roshunperrino53003 жыл бұрын
I know right ,and not really a phil fan but respect his wins
@MegatronRacing2373 жыл бұрын
If not for gut he’ll still be winning coming in at 90%.
@fleecejohnson57502 жыл бұрын
Fr!! His physique was perfect imo
@DammDamian Жыл бұрын
Yup insulin is how he gets big
@finhooper20195 жыл бұрын
Thank god someone has sense, so much hate towards this man but in 2011 it’s hard to argue that’s not one of the greatest bodybuilders to step on stage. Thankyou tom!
@laurikotivuori15855 жыл бұрын
Not 2011, 2013. Even Phil knows it was his best year, he's admitted it several times
@noahvalsted5 жыл бұрын
I don't think I've seen anyone hate on 2011 Phil or even 2013. It's past that when he ruined his physique with that ballon gut, and he never seemed to wanna change it because of his arrogant ass personality, thinking he's always the best no matter how he looks
@marijancorluka45005 жыл бұрын
@@laurikotivuori1585 2013 was Phil's best year, but I would choose his 2011 to go against Dorian. The reason is the abs and thighs pose. Phil's obliques kinda started slowly spilling over in 2013, therefore he would've lost in that pose if he faced Dorian.
@laurikotivuori15855 жыл бұрын
@@marijancorluka4500 In 2013 his waist was just as tight as in 2011 but his lats were 2 times thicker and wider making his V-taper easily superior. Not sure what you're on about mate look at the pictures again
@laurikotivuori15855 жыл бұрын
@@noahvalsted You're being an absolute Moron. Phil fixed his gut in 2015 the very next year, and in 2016 he had an even better midsection along with him being dryer than ever. He just tried to come in too full to the 2017 & 18 olympias. Let's give credit where it's due.
@kovar23445 жыл бұрын
Oh come on, we all know that Ronnies roof pumping move breaks every posing round. XD
@skunkusmunkus93855 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking that... Ew
@gaurangatrivedi32215 жыл бұрын
Best posing ever
@Imperialbbuilding4 жыл бұрын
Phil world crush ronnie
@milbeck4 жыл бұрын
@@Imperialbbuilding bro 😂🤡 stop smoking Crack
@Pullupfan13374 жыл бұрын
abcfitness 1999 Ronnie wipes the floor with him as great as Phil is
@nickbenrhardt10265 жыл бұрын
I think Ronnie said Phil would do well in the 90’s
@kennyjonez75125 жыл бұрын
yea he did, in the valuetainement interview
@MUST-TRT4 жыл бұрын
Yep.
@KolaetosvanLangeveld3 жыл бұрын
Ronnie is a man who knows what he's talking about!
@vets9233 жыл бұрын
Phil is even more complete and bigger than Shawn Ray and look how far Ray got. 😂
@Asiansxsymbol2 жыл бұрын
@@vets923 Ray was small and unimpressive.
@Ericomaioral5 жыл бұрын
phil would, but most of todays bodybuilders would not.
@ulisesxavier11165 жыл бұрын
X He IS a 7x Mr. O.
@Ericomaioral5 жыл бұрын
@@ulisesxavier1116 ?? what
@ulisesxavier11165 жыл бұрын
X he won the Mr. O 7 years in a row
@Ericomaioral5 жыл бұрын
@@ulisesxavier1116 yeah, so?
@thebigpicture20325 жыл бұрын
X means he’s good, real good like.
@alexanderkowal73195 жыл бұрын
So glad someone finally addressed this. Not a Phil Heath fan but the dude is a legend.
@gsalazar8176 Жыл бұрын
Been saying this since I first saw P.H. back in 2012. Phil is the most aesthetic human I've ever seen to be that big. How can you be so monstrous and so aesthetic at the same time. He's the goat
@DammDamian Жыл бұрын
Turtle stomach legend
@naitikgreyman5 жыл бұрын
Similar is the case for Kai. He came second only because of Phil. He would stack very nicely against the 90s.
@lsszodd5 жыл бұрын
nah hes too blocky
@naitikgreyman5 жыл бұрын
@@lsszodd He's still quality. Ripped and grainy, if Ronnie can win with a gut I'm sure Kai can stand his ground.
@lsszodd5 жыл бұрын
naitikgreyman cant compare Kai to Ronnie cmon
@Xalashaska5 жыл бұрын
Mr. Ping sure you can depends on which versions you’re talking about.. ronnie wasn’t amazing his whole career
@MR12AMAZING5 жыл бұрын
Kai has too many weak body parts.
@zeuslewis985 жыл бұрын
Tom, I really like your script/writing in terms of your story telling and articulation! You're really getting good at your videos, can't wait to see what you produce over the coming years as you continue to improve!
@Rubinja775 жыл бұрын
I agree with that 100% !
@mustafahaider83995 жыл бұрын
My fav channel love to watch his video best analysis most of them who are manipulate wrapped for personal thoughts either way kick that fat ass judges who judged other not himself next those same competitors pumpkin ,tom8er makes so easy we can understand what he trying to said straight nor as subs hunger did unnecessary suspence drama and taunt in sarcasm way which was not fair I don't like them , Our Honesty and Loyality makes us Great person not disrespect others and demand respect which doesn't make sense .
@darndoor30655 жыл бұрын
This really needed to be said. It's just surprising to hear so many people (even those who are supposed to be experts) saying Phil wouldn't make top 6 in the 90's and this video was a great way to show their folly.
@Tomn8er5 жыл бұрын
Speaking of top 6, I might do a follow up response to Dorian's comment on how Curry wouldn't make top 6, which is an exaggeration IMO
@RichardRatner.19725 жыл бұрын
@@Tomn8er Please so that, it would be great! Kind regards Richard U.K
@darndoor30655 жыл бұрын
@@Tomn8er I was a little disappointed by Curry but people are unfair to him too. If you look at the placings in the 90's year by year, not all of the top guys were on, or even competed, every year. Even if you can come up with 6 guys who could beat Curry, he'd have a good chance of placing very well at almost any given Olympia.
@Tomn8er5 жыл бұрын
@@darndoor3065 exactly. Yates must've drawn up some fictional lineup featuring all his 90s buddies in their best respective shapes. Flex and Nasser were off more often than they were on. Cormier and Priest only came along in the latter half (and Curry would beat both of them except maybe Cormier in 99). Dillet was a joke with his sloppy-ass posing. So really only Levrone and Ray were somewhat consistent.
@Chris7411135 жыл бұрын
Exactly WHO said anything like that? What I heard is Dorian saying Curry wouldn't. That's it.
@soradical165 жыл бұрын
Prime Phil is damn near perfect. He's an asshole, yeah but damn if his physique wasn't top-tier.
@willmosse36845 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen a few interviews with Heath. Seems like a nice bloke to me.
@brockblevins88224 жыл бұрын
soradical16 to bad he’s only got a 4 pack or a small 6 pack
@marcoschaub89785 жыл бұрын
The earlier versions of Phil were insane. As for his arrogance, I think that's him when he's in his game on mind. Yes, he should be more humble at those times as well, but I don't think he's arrogant all year round.
@danasaeed90185 жыл бұрын
he is arrogant, beyond measure.
@budgetking25915 жыл бұрын
Exactly, nobody is perfect, and thank god for that.
@Diabolical055 жыл бұрын
DANA SAEED I think its the modern technology that we are able to see their characteristics. Through facebook, twitter, youtube, and etc which wasnt around back then.
@timothymark3895 жыл бұрын
He's not arrogant, he created that character for show
@1521joe5 жыл бұрын
oh , ok So phil was a part time asshole
@marijancorluka45005 жыл бұрын
Dorian's statement in a Dave Palumbo interview (something like this, if I remember correctly) : Phil wouldn't beat him, Kevin, Shawn or Flex. I find it laughable, because only person who would give Phil a run for his money is '98 and '99 Ronnie. Sure, Shawn Ray has a better overall body, but in a bodybuilding contest.... not even close.
@Tomn8er5 жыл бұрын
Yeah Dorian's said some questionable things at times. He's blunt and level-headed which I like but also pretty full of himself in a subtle low-key way. For instance, he talks sh*t about his competitors constantly and only buoys them up when it makes _him_ look better (i.e. by comparing to other eras, which would seem to suggest that Yates views himself as just head-and-shoulders above everyone else since the greats from other eras couldn't even hope to hang with the people he was consistently defeating)
@marijancorluka45005 жыл бұрын
@@Tomn8er Yep, I noticed it too. It's amazing how only Phil is arrogant when he speaks highly of himself lol.
@sibell68134 жыл бұрын
100% agree. I’ve met Dorian once or twice, I live in his hometown & ive trained at temple gym a fair amount. He’s a cool guy in person, but he comes across subtly very arrogant when talking about his success in interviews. Points like Shawn never came close to beating him, or Phil wouldn’t beat the big three. I think both are unfounded. If bodybuilding focused more on asthetics & presentation & completeness like in my opinion it should, he wouldn’t beat Shawn, likewise Phil’s a lot closer to beating Dorian in Dorian’s strongest poses, than Dorian is to beating Phil in Phil’s strongest. Couldn’t agree more with your point.
@marijancorluka45004 жыл бұрын
@TheLusianPopa Well, I'm not going to rewatch that interview, I'm pretty sure he said Shawn also. Kevin and Flex would get smoked in the mandatories, maybe not Kevin so much but Flex yes. We all know how shows are won at the end of the day and those 2 objectively wouldn't stand a chance. Also, Dorian would lose in the 7 mandatory poses, or at least should lose (let's put it that way). Phil might stand less chances against Dorian back then though, but put Dorian all those guys in today's era and they might have some serious problems with Phil (they would smoke most of the other guys though).
@shania-antonio64253 жыл бұрын
@@sibell6813 Who s the big three if it isn’t Phil, Dorian, and Ronnie?
@innosanto5 жыл бұрын
Coleman said, Heath would. He referred to the ones of 2019.
@omarsalimhamri23925 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@kyros21995 жыл бұрын
No one says phil wouldnt do well in the 90s even ronnie Coleman said he was on there level
@Imperialbbuilding3 жыл бұрын
He would have smoked anyone from the 90s except for Ronnie
@gencademi93623 жыл бұрын
@@Imperialbbuilding what about Dorian, or Nasser?
@ferminordonez42753 жыл бұрын
@@gencademi9362 Phil smokes them. In general, only Ronnie have better genetics than Phil.
@samraizshoaib5853 жыл бұрын
@@ferminordonez4275 Not smoking. Nasser most certainly he wouldn't. Nasser would take half the mandatories (he'd win of were not counting the MM as that wasn't mandatory then) including: 1. Front double 2. Side chest 3. Ab and thigh 4. Front latspread Phil would win: 1. Back double 2. Rear Latspread 3. Side Tricep 4. Most muscular
@ferminordonez42753 жыл бұрын
@@samraizshoaib585 No men, Phil in his prime have any part better than Nasser except for the abs.
@shastriroopchand12455 жыл бұрын
Good work showing just how great a bodybuilder Phil is.
@wylie5005 жыл бұрын
Phil is great in any era. Whatever anybody says about him you cannot take away from the fact that he is one of the all time greats. I think the most complete bodybuilder ever.
@melissamohamed4075 жыл бұрын
You are not true about what you say
@wylie5005 жыл бұрын
@@melissamohamed407 what does that mean?
@alantaylor66915 жыл бұрын
@@wylie500 He probably means the bubble gut.
@jackfrostie48954 жыл бұрын
Nah not the most complete bodybuilder ever but definitely one of the greats.
@altejada10174 жыл бұрын
If we’re talking about before the bubble gut I would agree with you , but the latter version of phil when his gut seemed to be uncontrollable then NO, it’s like everyone including him was aware of this was his flaw yet there was nothing he could do about it.
@johnnewell85085 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah, setting the record straight. I swear most bodybuilding fans need some kind of personality or "expert" to say things, instead of thinking for themselves and forming their own opinions. And your observations are always spot on. Keep spreading the good word
@enigmayt13055 жыл бұрын
Thanks for yet another captivating video Tomn8er. I'm convinced that anyone who disagrees with such a fair and well thought out analysis as this has become so blind on account of their personal biases that they're no longer able to truly appreciate all that this fascinating sport has to offer in terms of intrigue and awe (if they ever could to begin with.) By the way since your videos first began appearing in my recommendations they've inspired me to start lifting weights again which has done wonders for my confidence and self esteem =]
@nicholasfab675 жыл бұрын
Cool video. I think now that Phil is not competing, people are realizing how good He was. You always pointed out how dominating he was.
@KF-sk3qi3 жыл бұрын
I like the accuracy and fairness and Detachment that you have in your judgment which separates you from many common folks! Good Job!
@christian_urocar5 жыл бұрын
9:44 amazing the genetics of flex and heath so similar ... wow but Phil is harder through chest and delts
5 жыл бұрын
@venomspeak Even a bit better than the two combined, glutes and forearms for example..
@wildandroid45644 жыл бұрын
Easy boys, his dick will get broken Better than levrone and flex combined??? That's too much
@BeastmodeJones3165 жыл бұрын
great video!!!
@arylixons.h63434 жыл бұрын
It is!
@danielgabalski23125 жыл бұрын
Phil pre stomach issues is unbeatable. He was great. And that’s coming from an old timer from the 80s and 99s. He was just excellent.
@DR-1102 жыл бұрын
Only prime Ronnie is beating him
@loco79PL2 жыл бұрын
Yates
@jpHero32 жыл бұрын
@@loco79PL no
@monkey12345123452 жыл бұрын
@@DR-110 ronnie had the huge gyno and a gut more disgusting then phil. So that would be a no
@stannjob Жыл бұрын
@@DR-110put the pipe down
@NattyGainz5 жыл бұрын
You always have the most interesting ideas for bodybuilding videos!
@RanjitSingh-wc3pt5 жыл бұрын
But ronnie would beat him because ronnie was more huge and more conditioned than him
@Zeno-js4fj5 жыл бұрын
Ranjit Singh I wouldn’t say “more conditioned”. Ronnie had good conditioning, but I think Phil looked and was dryer than Ronnie. Ronnie would still come out on top though.
@M.J.D.R5 жыл бұрын
Ranjit Singh you just failed the perception kid, look at Phil’s hamstrings
@RanjitSingh-wc3pt5 жыл бұрын
@@M.J.D.R but ronnie's glutes are better and his chest is much wider than phil
@M.J.D.R5 жыл бұрын
Ranjit Singh I agree, Ronnie is overall better, but conditioning wise he’s not quite superior
@RanjitSingh-wc3pt5 жыл бұрын
@@M.J.D.R I know Phil is also champ for a reason
@TheForbiddenLean5 жыл бұрын
One of your best vids yet
@ev-ei9ce5 жыл бұрын
One thing for sure: coleman was unbeatable even for phil
@samuela92375 жыл бұрын
@Thirumurugan jr but he's not and thats why ronnie is unbeatable
@FinalCurse5 жыл бұрын
but phill isn't done competing yet, once he's got 9 sandows he's better :-)
@TheJamesHfilms5 жыл бұрын
e v if you are of the opinion that bodybuilding is only about mass and conditioning then Ronnie is the best. However if you want to also consider aesthetics too, then 2011 Phil is pretty much the perfect physique.
@sigurdh.s83205 жыл бұрын
James Heaton 2013 is even better. Tighter midsection, wider lats, especially evident in the FLS, and a much improved lower back. And overall bigger (heaviest version of phil)
@alexveri41665 жыл бұрын
I am not sure
@abdelkrimmeftah70283 жыл бұрын
A very good comparative purposeful and comprehensive study and all the points are clarified, well done and good work, sir ...plz continue
@ariabh86045 жыл бұрын
The only one who could beat phil was ronnie just because of the sheer mass
@alterego96185 жыл бұрын
Bro! Tom! You are the man, your same 3 favorites from the 90’s are my top 3 as well, I was listing mine off in my head as you were going and I was like oh snap! We picked the same ones!
@JTG_755 жыл бұрын
Good video, I also get tired of hearing Phil wouldn't win in the 90's. I love the 90's era especially Kevin Levrone, but Phil is one of the greatest of all time and would be just fine in those stacked 90's lineups. I wish people would give him the respect he earned by winning 7 MR. Olympia titles!
@hobbs34245 жыл бұрын
Tomn8er the uncrowned king of bodybuilding-specific documentary,commentary,realisticity and truthfullness!
@PeterTheOstrich5 жыл бұрын
I think prime Ronnie beats prime Phil like 90% of the time. There’s just way too much to deal with even with Phil’s advantage in the arm and calf departments. Plus Phil has like two really unflattering poses because of his clavicles while the best version of Ronnie looks at worst decent and at best literally GOAT in every pose.
@Tomn8er5 жыл бұрын
Agreed but to be fair even prime Ronnie had two unflattering poses as well (AaT and ST)
@gabrielfernandez81115 жыл бұрын
Phil has a great lack, lack of width. He is very narrow and this damage some poses as: Front relaxed, Front double biceps (great arms but just average double biceps pose) and front lats spread.
@gilmarmirandadossantos60093 жыл бұрын
@@gabrielfernandez8111 yeaah e dont forget the muscle Maturity Ronnie had a lot better muscle maturity than Phil
@gilmarmirandadossantos60092 жыл бұрын
@Spine Chilling more than others great olympia no , like Coleman or Dorian, even Dexter when he competed against Phil, Dexter was not in better condiion than Phil, but he had better Muscle Maturity than Phil.
@mateoslopez20794 жыл бұрын
Great Video Bro! I enjoyed it till the End! The Comparison's were Spot on, your judging was Great and Fair. I couldn't agree more with you!
@JoHnSapla7LordSapla95 жыл бұрын
You should make more videos. I always enjoy watching them. 🙂
@ashuthefitnesspro4 жыл бұрын
Apart from Phil's distanted gut... He has almost no flaws 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
@acjjones29815 жыл бұрын
This video is so spot on (for the most part) I’ve come back to it twice because of the topic and side by side. 👍🏾
@bloodscent56872 жыл бұрын
The most genetically gifted body builder would not do well in the 90’s. I don’t like Phil but he really is the gift and would have won 5 more Olympias if it wasn’t for the stomach
@lukeism25 жыл бұрын
Shawn rays vacuum always reminds me of a melted chocolate Easter egg. That’s a strange compliment.
@carloscerralde42015 жыл бұрын
Awesome comparisons, thank you
@TopGuN22075 жыл бұрын
Ronnie would win against Phil, but Phil would win against everyone else in the 90's.
@stevej96784 жыл бұрын
you just made phil haters love him.. only down side i see here is the bad lighting in the modern bodybuilding, i mean you cannot see the striations with that lighting, plus unlike before where all body building were among a mixed physique divisions, onions, carrots and tomatoes in the same category, but now its all about potaotoes vs potatoes, which makes it so boring. i would say mix classic with the mass monsters back again. get them leaner and X shaped i mean shorter guys cannot be as fuller as the tall guys or they will turn out like rolley winklar,
@coolguyhino924 жыл бұрын
9:20 it legit took me a sec to realize that wasn't a mirror image.
@flyingwizard35 жыл бұрын
this was great. you have a lot of original content. Keep it up.
@lashaxo17485 жыл бұрын
“Line them up, I slay them all...” ~Phil Heath
@97mesut5 жыл бұрын
every video is so original. even my adhd cant stop me from not finishing them
@Tomn8er5 жыл бұрын
lol thanks
@davetheplugpalumbo16212 жыл бұрын
Phil is top 5 best bodybuilders of all time
@Ander-w6q5 ай бұрын
Lee haney is perferct example of good era to compete
@Anthoonius15 жыл бұрын
This video would have around 66/33 % like/dislike ratio if it was made before the 2019 Mr. Olympia
@Tomn8er5 жыл бұрын
Haha probably
@Faazthetruthseeker4 жыл бұрын
Phil will still do better in 90s era if he competed..He is complete compared to most of the guys in 90s..the only guy who got the 3D look before Phil was Kevin Levrone.. Phil is a champ for some reasons..the 3D popping muscles,rounder fuller look..crazy body parts like triceps,delts,forearm and back (not width but detailes thickness especially after 2014)..
@thorbeorn42955 жыл бұрын
I agree. I'm not a Heath fan, but what is right is right. At his peak, he was one of the best and most complete bodybuilders in history
@sto67724 жыл бұрын
Solid video! I remember despising phil heathe purely on how he was portrayed on generation iron. Then I started realizing and appreciating his work ethic and physique. Cant wait to see him compete again
@michaelr.48785 жыл бұрын
Health's only issue is that he is pinched. He is fairly narrow across his clavicle. He has incredible shoulders..but they are rather close together. But as far as development goes, he is at the top of the heap. Other than being narrow and having the issue controlling his midsection, Heath is on another level.
@Larsonthebeach5 жыл бұрын
Great topic for a video, that was fun to watch!
@gregbellisle91284 жыл бұрын
The first time i abree with every comparison and decision you made. Phil, though not my favourite bodybuilder, that honour goes to Shawn Ray and Bob Paris as a tie, doesnt get nearly the credit he deserves. Well done. ,
@donaldcreech77825 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Some of your finest work imo 👌
@BatmanBoss5 жыл бұрын
Ronnie = unbeatable
@BatmanBoss5 жыл бұрын
Ferdinand Vanko unbeatable at his best. He beat Jay more than Jay beat him right? Sooooo
@Bot-td1tp2 жыл бұрын
Amazing job you did here. I do think Dorian could bring Phil to a draw, but your right that he wouldn't beat him. Anyway, love your content, and amazing job!
@Imperialbbuilding2 жыл бұрын
Phil smokes soggy glute Dorian stop hating because Phil is the goat
@Bot-td1tp2 жыл бұрын
Bruh I'm not hating on Phil
@Bot-td1tp2 жыл бұрын
What makes you think I don't like him?
@youssefraef69475 жыл бұрын
I dont care about what anyone says, but with a tight midsection, phil heath is the greatest and most complete bodybuilder in the history
@Agnes1355 жыл бұрын
I completely agree
@mainaccount75855 жыл бұрын
Dunno about that, his only flaw is his narrowness, I mean if Ronnie Coleman had a tight midsection then there would be no dispute of him being the greatest bodybuilder ever
@youssefraef69475 жыл бұрын
@@mainaccount7585 what about the very high and inner curved calves or the flat triceps
@Srbenda1265 жыл бұрын
Muscle wise yes, but his frame is pretty bad
@eXistenZgaming5 жыл бұрын
ronnie triceps are bigger than phil, look at bdb
@cyrusmoqadam58945 жыл бұрын
it's great u put time to it and really explain it for d fool fans who think they know anything about bodybuilding, but they don't know shit phil is truly d gift, he's complete in anyway along, and really there ain't anybody who could beat him, other than big ron
@estebanc36265 жыл бұрын
I feel that Kai, Phil, Jay and Dex are the only 2000s bodybuilders that really could compete in the 90s
@estebanc36265 жыл бұрын
Rod OB doesn’t matter they’re era was 2000s era
@4764294 жыл бұрын
Regarding 90s (and earlier) conditioning, people need to remember that striated glutes were not a thing. It wasn't a _bug_ to not have striated glutes, it was a _feature_ . I'm sure there have been advancements in conditioning, but I believe much of the change has been dialing in the right combination of "supplements". Gaspari did it and then other people started doing it. However, when Gaspari first did it, a lot of people did not see it as a good thing. Sure it looked freaky, but a lot of bodybuilding fans aren't into freaky. They are into aesthetics and a classic look. Getting your bodyfat to nothing and draining every spare microliter of water out of your body is not part of the classic look. Have you seen Greek and Roman statues with striated glutes? Me neither. Also remember that many bodybuilders knew how it could be done, but chose not to do it. Pushing the limits can be a very dangerous thing. Just ask Mohammed Benaziza, Nasser El Sonbaty, and Andreas Münzer. Oh wait, you can't. They're dead. Many 90s bodybuilders knew some of the things other guys had started doing, but they didn't want to be the guinea pigs that pushed the limits. Steve Brisbois was with Mohammed when he died. Brisbois almost immediately retired from bodybuilding. It is fair to compare eras based on how they actually looked, but we also need to consider the different attitudes and "technologies" of the time.
@ACAtheROCK5 жыл бұрын
Brah the drugs and knowledge that came after the 90s gave birth to Phil Heath what would hapen if he trained in 90 era ?
@mikedevyatov32135 жыл бұрын
The drugs have really not changed much since the mid 2000s and if he has better competition, maybe he’d be pushed to train harder. So I’d say he’d look just as food if not better than what he looks now if he was in that era.
@timothymark3895 жыл бұрын
The drugs where cleaner in the 90s, they didn't need as much so they didn't abuse them. The drugs these days are all rubbish compared so they are run a lot higher therefor all the nasty side effects and the completwly differently look and conditioning etc. Ask anyone who was using them then and now and they'll tell you there are not the same anymore
@iambodybuildingyt2214 жыл бұрын
Almost all current Bodybuilders would do well in 90s linups because the competitors were for the most time just smaller back then
@crawforddavid68103 жыл бұрын
I mean Phil is better than Dorian so he would win at least six of the Olympias in the 90s
@90smusicloveR165 ай бұрын
you are Right 👍
@jarmolaiho30535 жыл бұрын
Great video! Something to think about for sure. Thanks!
@hughjarms45105 жыл бұрын
I am not a fan of phils personality. But i have been thinking the same thing as you: even though on average the 90s guys were better phil would still beat them. Or at least most of them
@CebronCalahan4 жыл бұрын
Really good video! Pleasantly surprised!
@incarser1015 жыл бұрын
Phil Heath with an in check midsection is pretty impossible to beat
@lukavanettikoven4 жыл бұрын
@Scott Grudziadz Ronnie was bigger and more freaky with those peaky short biceps and massive back
@tokyo50054 жыл бұрын
Ronnie smokes phill LOL
@michaeljuritsch15244 жыл бұрын
Nobody said he wouldnt do well! Even Ronnie said Phil is the exception
@Tomn8er4 жыл бұрын
Nobody says it _now_ that he's essentially retired, but just a year or two ago you can find comments everywhere saying all sorts of sh*t about how Phil wouldn't do well in the 90s. People have short memories
@drroidhammer32185 жыл бұрын
Phil 2010 Arnold my favourite personally even though he lost
@abbashamoudi80015 жыл бұрын
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@MayorOfBodybuildingTV5 жыл бұрын
I was there and agree
@IG1755 жыл бұрын
This is why I love your videos, you are the only person who actually takes muscle bellies into consideration, and are actually honest how absolutely incredible Phil's physique is and don't just suck off ronnie or dorian, saying Phil wouldn't even stand a chance. In my opinion Phil could even beat ronnie because of how perfect and symmetrical he is.
@jessatkinson89533 жыл бұрын
Love the dude or hate the dude, Phil is in my opinion the best most complete bodybuilder ever!! The only flaw that I could see at his prime was he was as wide as some, but he didn’t need to be as wide because of he cartoon 3D look!! I believe in his prime he could stand next to anyone and destroy them!! Some would say Ronnie would beat him but I would say that is subjective depending on what you like! I would have to say out of the two if I could pick either of their bodies to look like it’s easy Phil!! The only body builder I could say 95 percent of bodybuilders would want to look like and that is Flex!! But even then most if not all would prefer to look like Phil The Gift!!! And for the record if I had his build, I would be arrogant to and very confident and those that don’t like that he was like that is because they could never get to his level!!!
@hansvisser23875 жыл бұрын
Most fan's dont agree, but I think Phil Heath is the greatest of all time
@bluechili24205 жыл бұрын
No that title would go to Arnold Schwarzenegger, if it wasn't for Arnold bodybuilding would be just as famous as pool table
@hansvisser23875 жыл бұрын
B̋l̋űe̋ ̋C̋h̋i̋l̋i̋ I’m talking physiquewise, the biggest influence was without doubt Arnold
@Mhhuyjoouggfgggggjjjñbbhjjiiiu4 жыл бұрын
One like for King Ronnie colemen...😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
@dragonboy1414 жыл бұрын
Phil could’ve beat almost anyone in the 90s. Except Ronnie in 98,99. Ronnie was on a different level and would’ve dwarfed him. No shame though in losing to the king
@brycejbowman5 жыл бұрын
Great video. It’s easy to make calls when you aren’t comparing pose for pose. This gives a much better head to head comparison. Great job!
@adizakbah27675 жыл бұрын
Phil is a human anatomy perfection
@mohitlohmodgujjar47932 жыл бұрын
Phil is the best of all
@ArtGuides5 жыл бұрын
Phil would be the same size first off and second, Ronnie is the only one who would beat phil. Like him or not, Phil is next level
@bentattersfield79874 жыл бұрын
well he obviously isn't if Ronnie beats him lol. He's one level down 😕😕
@amarasiriekanayake30184 жыл бұрын
Phil was great...great bodybuilder..none can look down upon the Mr.O titles he won..
@ohmy92614 жыл бұрын
Ronnie and Lee Haney can lol
@KingArah5 жыл бұрын
Ofc he would do well in 90s lineup! Also don't like Phil, but you have to admit, in his prime he was a monster!
@kamarulisham4 жыл бұрын
At last bro. Someone speaking the truth. How great Phil is. People comparing their favorite bodybuilders at prime, with phil at the time he was not dominating. Not fair at all. And bout how cocky he is. It is needed guys. In order to keep dominating. Keep winning. Champ need to have some kind of different mentality which the whole world wouldn’t like. This is the truth. Back then even the king coleman. Yates. Were cocky though. Just accept the truth. And respect these champ for their hardwork.
@nikitakowalewski31315 жыл бұрын
Yeees! Sure the 90s were a great era for bodybuilding but people nowadays obsess over it way to much saying no modern bodybuilder could rival the 90s crew. They had flaws too, let's not forget how 97 Dorian won an Olympia literally without a biceps
@BJETNT5 жыл бұрын
when a lot of people say the current lineup would not beat the best of the 90s lineup I don't really think they mean Phil Heath in that or at least I would not. Phil Heath would never beat Ronnie in his prime I don't think anybody really could. That there's a reason Phil Heath was 7 time Mr Olympia!! Just like Ronnie though wear-and-tear and the drug abuse got him over time.
@krishnadas27895 жыл бұрын
If Kai Green had won one Mr O against Phil., am sure Phil would have more Fans than now. Love for Kai, Phils attitude, statement on Arnold gave him so much haters...
@Tomn8er5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Those are all major contributing factors. Forgot about his jab at Arnold's legs... I for one know how bad a move criticizing the Governator can be! 😆
@THEPEANUTGALLERY8322 жыл бұрын
Great video. I agree with your opinion 100%. Wow what a comparison. And Ronnie is still the King. But Phil is the GIFT!!! Kia Green would have knocked a lot of those 90s guys out too... Awesome video.
@freedomsrt85 жыл бұрын
Phil is the man. People talk about his gut but yet there's so many more with worse. Kai being the worst I've ever seen but folks don't seem to mind his. Ronnie Coleman's gut was blownout for a few years too. Phil is confident and people hate that.
@richhartnell62335 жыл бұрын
Not to mention phill had an excuse for his gut. Guy had 2 hernia surgeries and he still lost his gut almost completely.
@freedomsrt85 жыл бұрын
@@richhartnell6233 your spot on with that
@iloverugby79015 жыл бұрын
Freedom five when talking about his confidence, there’s being confident and then there’s being arrogant. The only reason Phil would get so much hate from people is the way he reacts to getting negative remarks. Instead of just brushing them to the side and getting on with the task at hand, he will make small remarks to boost his arrogance. People don’t react well to that. The sign of a true champion is someone who can take criticism and turn it into something positive, not over react and go on the defensive. Don’t get me wrong, Phil is a fantastic bodybuilder and will go down as an all time great, but will he ever reach the legendary levels like Dorian, Ronnie, Flex, Shawn and Kevin?
@556johnstone5 жыл бұрын
Phil Heath is one of the best bodybuilders ever. Phil and Ronnie have that complete package of fullness, roundness and conditioning.
@hungarianbeast5 жыл бұрын
I think you are correct with the amplification. Phil as a body builder as viewed just by a phisique is second maybe only to Big Ron, period. As for Phil as a human being, that trully is a topic on it's own. However (and this is an unpopular fact) Arnold back in his day (and even today to a certain extent) was a world class grade A asshole, many of his fellow "era mates" will say this. Same goes to his buddy Franco (R.I.P), and lets not forget Ferrigno... so being an asshole champion is nothing new, but yeah since Arnold and his mates gets a pass, Phil seems to be in the center of attention.
@zcasper1235 жыл бұрын
To the people that talk about Phil’s arrogance...just stop. It doesn’t matter, it’s “who has the best physique” competition, not who is the most humble. Phil is my opinion, hands down, along with Ronnie, the greatest/most complete bodybuilder to
@GZxuanChannel-nx9vi5 жыл бұрын
OMG, HE LOOKS AMAZNG; @Tomn8er, I LOVE YOUR VIDEO!!!
@kevinmillington81324 жыл бұрын
2013 phil which is the best version imo would dominate most of the 90s guys easily
@NOTLKU865 жыл бұрын
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@KryptonLastSon2 жыл бұрын
Phil is insanely gifted genetically. Hard to not love his physique. In his prime the only one who would beat him would be big Ron and maybe a Dorian who didn’t get destroyed by injuries.. However, what you said in the beginning of the video is true. If Phil was dropped in the 90’s with 90’s nutrition and gear, he would not have beaten a Dorian nor a Ronnie. His width would have been a big issue. I still think with his genetics he would have definitely been a top 4 kind of guy, though.
@sagemode65 жыл бұрын
Tbh the only guys is see being top 3 today would be prime (2011/2013) Phil and maybe maybe prime Dexter cuz they are the only good complete bodybuilders with 90s conditioning.
@MayorOfBodybuildingTV5 жыл бұрын
Young Phil had an amazing physique. Judges demand size and Phil gave them size! The part I miss about the 90s was a the great posing from Shawn,Chris.Kevin Flex
@tylergeorge92664 жыл бұрын
Phil Heath would crush them only challenge is Ronnie