Delonghi Dedica EC685 vs. Sage (Breville) Bambino Plus

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Who's the winner? Dedica or Bambino? Edit: Bambino and Bambino Plus are on sale for 20% off right now on Breville: breville.oie8.net/nL1aVo Dedica: geni.us/EC685 Bambino: geni.us/Bambino (these are affiliate links that help fund videos like this, at no extra cost to you)

[@NoZenith]

Bambino Plus here for sure

[@Fabio-wc6rv]

one costs 180 euros the sage bambino plus 400 to 500 euros

[@bisonbeard2121]

Honestly this channel deserves way more subs and recognition. keep pushing sir the algo gods will find you soon

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

That's one of the nicest things I have heard on here, thank you!

[@danairankim4656]

Yeah totally agreed

[@danairankim4656]

And also Mr Tom is so handsome

[@jorhay1]

Agreed.

[@Presso99]

i owned a Bambino Plus machine for about 2 years. I did an experiment on the group head temperature abut a year ago. Here is what i gathered :- 1st purge : Brew temp is abt 82-85C 2nd purge : Brew temp is abt 85-87C 3rd purge : Brew temp is about 90-92C As you can see, in order to achieve above 90C which is the most recommended brewing temp, you need to purge twice before you start brewing your coffee.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks for that! How much water are you purging each time - a whole shot's worth?

[@norbiealpanta3874]

I was trying to buy a espresso machine and i couldn't get my head from which to get, so I check on KZbin for reviews,your's is the most brief, and most concise, most helpful as you really get into every little details of their features and differences.. Thanks😊 I am getting the Bambino

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks so much for the feedback, and have fun with that Bambino!

[@mayrac6124]

Hi Tom, I truly appreciate all the time you put into these videos. Thank you and please keep them coming!!!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Glad you like them! Which one is the machine for you?

[@roboliver9980]

Just got a bambino and for someone who likes an occasional espresso or milk drink without falling down the extraction rabbit hole it does a great job for the price. Tastes much better than the pod machines so many buy!

[@merom.1248]

With this price you can get affordable super-automatic bean to cup machine like philips 3300 or delonghi magnifica evo.

[@roboliver9980]

Prefer having my grinder separate to my machine and also drink aeropress etc separately. Thanks for suggestion though. They look good options for a small office.

[@marexmal]

Hey Tom! That's a high quality comparison video, it's easy to see how much progress you made as a KZbinr! I really appreciate that 👍 Also, it's worth to mention that the lack of 3-way valve on Dedica has an advantage when knocking out the puck :) I do love Dedica for its small size factor, how cheap it is (also easy to find on second-hand market) and how great it can get after small modifications 👌

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi Marek, nice to hear from you! Thanks for those kind words. I TOTALLY agree, the lack of a 3 way solenoid has 2 major advantages: 1) the brew group and lack of piping leading into a drip tray do not get so dirty 2) the puck knocks out supremely cleanly. I have never used a machine that knocks out as cleanly as the Dedica. Cheers! Tom

[@Yirgamalabar]

​@@TomsCoffeeCorner Do you have to wait before releasing the portafilter from the grouphead? Isn't the whole point of a 3 way valve to dry the puck and remove pressure?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@Yirgamalabar Yes, you have to wait 30-60 seconds to release the portafilter on the Dedica after an extraction. In my experience, the 3 way valve does not dry the puck. There may even still be a pond on top of the puck. The 3 way valve just releases the pressure in the line between the pump and the brew head.

[@Yirgamalabar]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner You can usually get a dry puck with such machines if you pack the basket with as much coffee as possible (just short of touching the shower screen when locking in the portafilter).

[@petervansan1054]

lack of 3way solenoid actually hurts the knocking out....

[@SteveHameister]

Greetings from Milwaukee! I'm weighing getting a Dedica, watching a bunch of videos and was quite pleased to see you pull out a bag of Colectivo. Thanks for the detailed run through.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@SteveHameister Milwaukee, nice! Feat the deer 🦌, and go Pack!

[@jimkno6546]

Hi Tom, I was thinking of upgrading my Delonghi Dedica to the Bambino plus but after watching your video I am going to stick with my Dedica and just upgrade my portafilter. Thanks for your video

[@kostaskostas2470]

Hi there. I did exactly the same. I have the 685 dedica and invested on the same bottomless portafilter Tom is using with IMS basket and got a puck screen. I have a niche zero grinder and I am very pleased with the quality of the espresso. Today I upgraded the shower screen to an IMS and just wow, very impressed.

[@noodledealer7447]

@@kostaskostas2470would you recommend the delonghi still if its almost as close as in pricing the sage the bambino (not plus) model? I am so much in doubt, since the delonghi is €160 bucks right now for me and the sage €230. The money saved compensates with the portafilter and tools i will buy, but i’ve read that the lifespan may be very short. 3 -4 years?

[@kostaskostas2470]

@@noodledealer7447hi. I haven’t used the bambino or bambino plus. To me bambino looks overpriced for what’s on offer , ie for the price you mention I don’t think it’s worth the extra €100. My feeling is that the bambino is a bit clumsy, don’t feel really quality machine. The tray is better in the bambino and the portfolios might be better out of the box. But chance to a bottomless portafilter in the De’Longhi and you will have a quality portafilter. In my opinion Delonghi offers a great value for money, you can make good espresso with it if you invest to a good grinder and a good portafilter with an IMS basket. I wouldn’t recommend the bambino.

[@livincincy4498]

I recently picked up The Bambino, basic model. I found much of the negative comments to be addressed in the instructions in the mamual.. It comes with (4) portaflter inserts. The pressurized basket design is not popular with many experts. But it works so well that the !manufacturers had to add it to compete with the simplicity and satisfaction of the pod machines. The manual wand is easy to learn. I could not see spending $150 for the automatic steaming of The Bambino Plus. Some may like it. The hot water button is nice on the basic model. They are the same price on line or in a local store. They make good products and can demand a premium price. Buy once and cry once.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi there! Haha, yes reading the manual is always a good idea. About the baskets...I totally agree that having the choice between pressurized and non pressurized is a good thing. I use pressurized for example at work, with pre ground Lavazza coffee, so that I don't annoy my colleagues with a loud grinder. They are much less fussy when it comes to grind or puck prep too. Glad you are happy with your Bambino! Cheers!

[@JimSlaughterOC]

I also have the regular Bambino and I actually prefer it to the Plus irrespective of price (almost $200 less than the Plus). I roast my own coffee so really never use the pressurized inserts. For people who are pulling shots with less than fresh coffee the pressurized inserts will help to make a better shot. Good to have if you need them.

[@NoZenith]

Yay! I had come to the same conclusion about getting a bottomless porta filter if I do get the Breville Bambino Plus about not losing temperature to the Portafilter without having to run a dozen shots to heat it up 😄. I saw one guy actually put his portafilters in a cup of water out of a kettle straight off the boil Before he ground his beans. He'd pull it out, dry out the basket and then dose it like normal

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I have tried that the last 2 days and it works great!

[@LM-mq2pj]

This was exactly what I was thinking of doing.

[@JimSlaughterOC]

People who want a more compact Breville espresso machine can consider the basic Bambino, which is quite a bit slimmer than the Bambino Plus. Probably the regular Bambino would be a better comparison to the Delonghi machine since it is closer in price to the Dedica. I have the regular Bambino and prefer it to the Bambino Plus because of its lower price, smaller size, and more adjustable wand. The regular Bambino lacks automatic milk frothing but that really isn't too important to me. Both the Bambino regular and the Plus produce excellent espresso with great crema. And the milk frothing is unbelievably good on either the Bambino or the Bambino Plus. I also bought a bottomless portafilter, which is a lot of fun, if a bit messier than the basic closed portafilter than comes with the machine. I highly recommend the bottomless portafilter.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi Jim, thanks for your thoughtful feedback! I would like to try the Bambino. I like very much how good this product line is at steaming. Does the regular Bambino have the 3 way solenoid valve? Cheers!

[@MrSmoothasf]

I've both, the dedica I modified...wand ect. The dedica pulls a stronger shot but that's where it ends. The bambino has a commercial basket, it heats up quicker, it hardly ever needs descaling, it will texture milk to latte art perfection without any manual intervention. Fyi from new it won't, it needs bedding in, after 20 or so coffees is where it comes alive. The only bad thing about the Bambino is you can't purge the wand, reviewers who tell you otherwise are wrong. You press the steam button to purge and then when you pull the wand out to put your milk under it will clean the wand into your milk. The work around is to remove the base tray and quickly put the jug under without moving the wand or alternatively only press the steam button on and off for 2 seconds. Neither are ideal

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks for sharing your experience! I agree, the Bambino Plus is by far the better milk frother.

[@rxonmymind8362]

Subbed for the dedication and hard work you put into this channel. Much appreciated.

[@theodoretsambas4069]

Very VERY good comparison Tom! Spot on! I had the Dedica and now i upgraded (?) to the Bambino because i actually wanted something like the Dedica with stability and consistency, and because of the PID and the 9bar pressure, Bambino achieves exactly that. Now i am waiting for the bottomless PF and a real tamper to upgrade the toy ones that Sage included in the box.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi Theodore! Thanks for your feedback. I do think the espresso will get better with a bottomless portafilter. And, you should probably run a couple of empty shots first. Cheers!

[@theodoretsambas4069]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Always did that on Dedica, i still do it on Bambino! As you said in the video, unfortunately they don't preheat the group head without flushing. Keep it up, you are doing great!

[@John-nr6gg]

@Theodore Tsambas I've seen the Bambino tamper called a toy elsewhere too; can you elaborate on that? I have a Bambino machino, with that tamper. It's hard plastic, but fits well in the hand, and seems to do a decent job tamping the coffee. But I haven't ever used a regular metal tamper. Can you tell me what advantage it has? If it's worthwhile, I'll find one online.

[@theodoretsambas4069]

@@John-nr6gg Let's start with the truth: It gets the job done. BUT a tamper made of metal is heavier, thus makes it easier to compress the coffee without the effort needed with a plastic one. I also don't know if the plastic surface bends a little when pressing down (but really i doubt that). A big problem i have with this Sage plastic tamper is the size. It is about 2.5mm smaller than the basket itself, which makes tamping messy and non precise. I always find myself tamping 2-3 times to get the coffee leveled and not having a ring of powder around the basket.

[@John-nr6gg]

@@theodoretsambas4069 Just made a coffee, to be up to date with my reply. A bit of detail. My BES450 Bambino came with four baskets - two single-walled (1 and 2 cups) and two dual-walled (1 and 2 cups). As a beginner, I've been using the dual-walled 2-cup basket. That basket inner wall is tapered, and the tamper fits snugly, no side-play, when its upper edge is flush with the top of that basket. I add enough coffee so the tamper feels some coffee resistance as it compresses. That works well. But for this coffee, I used the single-walled 2-cup basket. With empty basket, the tamper fits way down into the basket, but lifted so that its upper edge is level with basket top, then yes, there is about 2-3 mm side-play. I filled the basket with coffee, loosely, to the brim, and yes, when the tamper goes in, it makes a mess. But starting again with empty basket, filling it to brim loosely, then tapping the portafilter firmly a number of times on the bench, the coffee sinks quite a long way down into the basket. Then, tamping that down, gave me a very good result, with no creepage of coffee up the inside, or overflowing the basket. Brewed - resulting in the best cup I've had, so far. I'll be using the single-walled basket from now on, with freshly-ground coffee. I think I will still buy a metal tamper, just to know I've tried one, but it will be hard to do better than this cup I've just had.

[@ODINCODES]

Tom! thank you so much for compare bambino plus with dedica, no one has done that, since the prices are different. I was going to upgrade my dedica to bambino plus, but now I think that doubling the price doesn't worth the quality. may be Gaggia Classic.

[@sebastiantevel898]

Thank you for the knowledgeable and extensive review. The Breville seems the slightly better machine on terms of functions, also the fact that it does not drip coffee at the end is a nice touch, but if it brews the same coffee slightly acid, for me that is a no.

[@TheMiksebik]

Your the first reviewer who raised what I noticed immediately (as a total noob, have not even made my first good espresso...). I do not like the fact that neither cups or head/portafilter are warmed as they should. And that it is very important as espresso hates being shocked. Now what next? Bambino is sitting in front of me.. Without any proper grinder I am considering returning back to Nespresso... or the second option would be to invest 600eur more and buy a proper grinder and a machine.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

For a heated brew group, you will have to get a boiler machine. Check out the ECP 3420 from Delonghi for example. Otherwise, if you want to spend more money, maybe a Lelit Grace.

[@sjonesblue]

Tom, I’ve been watching your channel for a few months now and your content is well presented and enjoyable. Your passion for the Delonghi Dedica is infectious. But I need a 3-way solenoid valve attached. Would you be willing to experiment with adding a solenoid valve to your Dedica whilst filming on KZbin? That would be a good show! Anyway, I’m a fan - you’re smart, handsome, and you have a manly voice. Looking forward to your next video.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi there! Thanks for such kind words! I don't know about adding a solenoid...I am not sure if one would fit in the brew group. But, I will keep the idea in mind for the future. Cheers!

[@ErM340]

Thx for the video. I was deciding which way to go with coffee machine and grinder after 20$ bosch blade grinder and Delonghi EC850 (having pressure issues lately, coffee is not good for me for a long time)). Already bought EUREKA mignon specialita and now I took my parent´s older Dedica 685 (they wanted to throw it away because probably pump stopped working) and already bought new pump, anti drip valve and rancilio steam wand. Really looking forward how it will work out for me, if it works then I will look into new portafilter and IMS basket. Want to tune it up as much as possible for Dedica 685. You´re the best !

[@ronnyskaar3737]

The Dedica EC885 solves the steam wand problem. I think a pluss with the Dedica is the ability to adjust the brew temperature quite easily.

[@Maraoder8]

As someone who just a couple of weeks ago upgraded from a Dedica to a Sage Barista, I really wish I saw your videos earlier! I'm happy with my upgrade (of course, because the quality and price range) but I don't think my patience with the Dedica would have run out so fast if I had known your hacks before. The Dedica of course isn't a bad machine, but I have been using it for a very long time. I had the similar idea of removing the panarello because I really didn't like it. But I didn't ever think of your solution with the zip ties. Anyway, I found your content recently, Tim, and I love it. I doubt I will get into the world of espresso as much as you and the others, but I love your advice and the way it helps me enjoy more from what I do. (Usually this is 2 coffees for me, 2 for my wife, 1 for my sister-in-law, 1 for her partner, and 1 for my mother-in-law, so I have a partially functioning coffee shop at home relying on advice from experts like you!).

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks for your feedback, and have fun making coffee! Tom

[@devintarizkyutami9793]

New with the “coffee” things , which one is better, delonghi 885 or kitcheniaid ?

[@John-nr6gg]

Great comparison! I was so happy to see your video headline today; had to go straight to it. I wanted to buy the vaunted Bambino Plus machine a month ago, but none yet in the shops here, so reluctantly bought the original Bambino machine, figuring its performance outshone the Dedica, from earlier reviews. I wanted the Bambino Plus auto frothing, (I'd enjoyed that function in the Nespresso Uno - but that machine was away, getting that very frothing function repaired! - hence the need for another machine in meantime!) I figured that the standard Bambino machine, with its manual frothing function, could, wth a little practice, be made to work as well as the auto frother of the Plus, and sure enough, it does, and more. Your demonstration pretty much parallelled my own earlier experience with the Uno. It does it the way it wants, and though it made a nice enough result, your comment, about it being a little too frothy, points to a problem with too much automation. I can't be sure, but I suspect that the extra sensor involved in the Bambino Plus steam tip, to automate, may be a problem that could appear, as it did with my Uno, in suddenly stopping partway through its frothing process. (Incidentally, the very same problem has since happened with my sister's Uno machine also). So - though I wanted the Bambino Plus, I'm more than happy that its unavailability gave me the better standard Bambino, that does everything that I've ever wanted in a coffee machine. (And besides that - I feel *liberated*, now that I can make coffee through a portafilter, using my own free choice of freshly-ground coffee! Thank you for your videos - you are an excellent presenter!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi John! Thanks for sharing your experience! I figure the Bambino model will suit just fine. I never really use the auto froth feature, because I prefer frothing manually, and on the Bambino it's fun! Does the non Plus model also have a 3 way valve? How often do you have to empty the drip tray on that one? Thank you for your kind words by the way. It is appreciated! Cheers ☕️

[@John-nr6gg]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Yes, frothing on the manual Bambino is fun, and I just love seeing that shiny "thick white paint" appearance show up in the milk swirl, that promises a great creamy drink ahead. I'm unsure if it has a 3-way valve; the manual doesn't mention it, and your mention of it in your video was my first knowledge of it. But, after a coffee extraction, when the portafilter is removed, the group head doesn't drip at all, so maybe it does have that 3-way valve built in, same as the Plus. Yes, the smaller drip tray does need emptying more often than the one on my Uno machine, but for some reason I always have it in my mind to do that, and it's no chore. That bright red float stick that comes up through the drip tray is an excellent idea. Emptying the tray is a quick no-fuss procedure that comes naturally and instinctively, just before enjoying the last of my three large daily cups of must-have reviver!

[@yz249]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Yeah the other differences is that the regular bambino doesn't have a 3 way valve, the steam tip is a one hole instead of a 4hole (though you can buy the 4 hole tip if you want - though this is preference not an objective upgrade) and that the water tank is smaller because the machine itself is narrower. I actually find the lack of a 3 way solenoid to be a huge workflow benefit as you don't need to (and can't) backflush. No solenoid means no coffee is pulled through the grouphead, and that there is no valve itself to clean (and one less part to fail). The trade off is you have to wait ~5 seconds after the shot is stopped for it to finish dripping, but this isn't too much of a big deal. I removed the shower screen itself recently after about 3 months and there was pretty much no residue at all - and I just purge for about 3-5 seconds after a shot.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@yz249 Totally agree with you there. Also, if there is no 3 way valve, then the pucks knock out WAY nicer too. With my GCP, Bambino, and so on, the pucks are soupy and it is always a pain to clean the basket. Thanks for your comment! Tom

[@yz249]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner if you want cleaner knockouts you should try using a puckscreen if you haven't already. They're pretty cheap (I paid £5 for 2 54mm ones), there's no difference between the aliexpress ones and the expensive b-plus ones, infact I remember reading they're made in the same factory. Get the widest filtration (easier to clean and makes no difference) and thinnest you can (either 1.7mm 150 uM or 1.0mm 150 uM if you can find it) They keep the puck compacted during the brew process so the knockouts are way cleaner, and it keeps the shower screen so much cleaner as well. Depending on your setup/shower screen you may find more consistency/less chanelling in the end of the shot. The downsides are you do have to get the puckscreen out and clean it of course. If you tap the top of the portafilter the force will make it pop up slightly so you can lift it out (will be hot so be careful)

[@chaochen8531]

Awesome video! I was comparing exactly both of these models for an early Christmas gift for my household thank you 🙏

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

You betcha! Thanks for watching. So…which one is the winner for you?

[@chaochen8531]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner we decided on the Breville due to the milk steamer edge!

[@ekramehsas6948]

Hey Tom, would you pick a EC885 or a Bambino Breville (not plus)?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hmm, probably an EC885, but I'm partial to that machine. Cheers!

[@rumarydiaz213]

Great comparison! I wish you had compared both of them with bottomless portafilter. I’m planning on buying the bambino plus, and I wanted to know if with the upgrade of a bottomless portafilter the acidity would decrease.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks! I know, I know. But I do not have a bottomless 54mm PF right now. It will make the shot better, as it will not cool down immediately from the PF. Cheers! Tom

[@Zinnet85]

Which capacity is that milk jar?

[@ahmedfouad9483]

Can you plz compare also the pressure for both?? I rhink Dideca is 15 bar

[@Technicellie]

9:00 There is actually a bit more to the story that favors the dedica for me in my opinion: Sage seems to do some extra compensation for the non-heated brew-group by superheating the water during pre-infusion. That thing let's steam out during the entire pre-infusion unless I steam the milk first, let the steam wand purge and instantly pull the espresso after. The worst part of it is: The guys from Kaffeemacher:innen at Switzerland(Basel) actually measured the brew temperature and measured a full 100°C during pre-infusion, that crashes down to 80°C during infusion, heating up over time to up to 97°C at normal extraction. Temperature control is terrible at the Bambino likely due to the Thermojet that they use (seems to be a mesh of copper that heats up the water rather than a block or a coil). They are incredibly energy efficient tho, compared Ascaso Dream for example it only consumes 1/5th of the power of the Ascaso one and the heat-up time is 5 seconds. (yes startup is 3 seconds but the machine does only boot up then. It only seems too heat up when heat is needed.)

[@ellenlombardo5267]

I am confused about the video at 12:34 "he likes to run the shot of espresso with an open portafilter & unpressurized basket". Is the Bambino plus running like that? If using the Delonghi, would I place espresso grinds in the portafilter with no basket? Someone please explain.

[@sinsversion]

excellent video as always Tom. keep up the good work!

[@tim_biller]

I retired my Dedica earlier this year in favour of a Bambino Plus and everything about the BP is better.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hey Tim, glad you are satisfied with your Bambino! Cheers, Tom

[@Sith90lord]

Can you detail a bit, as i was kinda convinced to buy the Dedica, mostly thanks to this video. What is it that makes it worth double the price?

[@tim_biller]

@@Sith90lord I found the steam wand problematic on the Dedica. I also found it much harder to pull consistently drinkable shots with it. The BP was much nicer to use straight out of the box and a year later is still very reliable in daily use.

[@tiagoalmeida653]

Hey again Tom. Bought the sage bambino and 1zpresso jx pro. Really happy. Thanks for the tips. Which bottomless portafilter you recommend for sage bambino? Thanks

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hey there, happy to hear it! I would suggest the Normcore. Cheers!

[@benreuter6365]

You can adjust the temperature on de longhi

[@Zinnet85]

I just bought the dedica style for 115€ and I'm thinking to return it and take the bambino plus that everyone recommend but... It's 429€, 300 more! Tell me that I'm crazy 😅

[@toothacheforever8437]

I got the dedica arte on sale for £160. About half the price of the other machine. Very happy with it.

[@7_minimalist866]

For me the most important condition is to have a hot coffee cup sometimes we can't hear about the temperature thank you for that

[@manuelayala3799]

Porque has usado un filtro sin presurizar en la Delonghi y en la Bambino uno presurizado? Son el día y la noche.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I used unpressurized in both. Cheers!

[@trainitivbyasja4777]

10:31 please, which grinder is IT?

[@kimseungmi289]

I'm using the De'Longhi ec260. I'm worried about the upgraded machines Gaggia Classic pro evo and Breville Bambino Mini, but I'm wondering if the difference in taste is better than the De'Longhi ec260.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I'd say the GCP has a bit of an advantage in the temp department, but it's pretty close. It's not way better. Imho, the Stilosa uses a better boiler (stainless).

[@cheribgh275]

Hi Tom, between bambino plus and delongi ecp, which one you suggest ?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Well, the BP is more user friendly, and has a better steamer, and both pressurized and non pressurized baskets. But they're both pretty good. I'd base the decision on price difference in your market.

[@garzapedroa]

What about Longevity and Reliability of the beach one? Wich would last longer?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hmmm, probably similar. Gotta make sure to descale them, though.

[@faisalal-nakeeb9119]

Thanks a lot for your great video. Do you have any opinion about the Sage/Breville one touch? I'm trying to decide between the Dedica and that one for a latte drinker. Thanks a lot.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi there! Do you mean the Oracle Touch? That's in a way different price league than the Dedica. Maybe you could include a link?

[@Galexynn]

I keep wanting to give the bambino a chance but I’ve gone through 3 so far through exchanges with Breville because a leak issue through the bottom grates whenever the water tank is connected. So annoying :/

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Yes, I’m afraid Brevilles are water hogs, too. They use a lot of water for cooling down the boiler.

[@NoZenith]

You CAN purge the Bambino Plus even when auto frothing. Coffee Kev Figured it out and as long as you only let it purge for a few seconds (3 seconds i think), It doesn't mess up even the auto frothing function (if you Purge too long it thinks you have steamed milk and it Initiate the auto purge when you put it back down, even if you just put a pitcher of milk under it, adding a lot of water) 🤪

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks for that tip! Kevin knows a lot about the Sages! 👍🏻

[@ronnyskaar3737]

Here in Norway the Bambino is 2-3 times the price of the Dedica. I bet I couldn't spot the difference in a blind test.

[@Akinto710]

Are these two comparable where you live in price? Where I live the Bambino is 3,5x more expensive than the Dedica, not two products that are comparable where I live with the Bambino being much more high end. The Bambino is about $300 used. I just picked up a Dedica used for $45.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

It depends so much on the market. For me, the BP is 2x-3x the Dedica. Which is why I often recommend the Dedica.

[@TheOriginalAndBestTim]

Interesting video thanks. I've got the dedica and you can set the temperature a bit higher than default, i also always run it twice without coffee to preheat the grouphead and portafilter. It's still not super hot even then

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thank you for sharing. I agree about the temperature part. Cheers!

[@gaborsimko3870]

Hello Tom. I hope you are doing well. I’m currently having the dedica EC680 and I’m looking to swap it for the bambino plus. I’m still not 100% if this would be an upgrade or about the same as dedica. I already upgraded the wand and I also have the bottomless portafilter. I’m mainly confused as I can see more videos on your channel using and explaining the dedica and it looks like you prefer this coffee machine over the bambino a bit more. Could you please help to decide which one to stick with? Thank you!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I feel like the Bambino is a side-step to the Dedica. It can steam better, that's for sure. But espresso is in the same ballpark. Cheers!

[@gaborsimko3870]

@@TomsCoffeeCornerthank you. I just bought the pack and test it out. To be honest it does look a bit cheaper made. It feels like the dedica is much more solid and bambino feels like more plasticky. I’m afraid that the dedica would probably last longer and easier to fix in case there is any issues. I’ll give it a try anyway and I’ll see how it is.

[@dannongwu]

Can you tell us which kinda cable tie shall we buy for the milk steam wand ? Thank you so much! ❤does it affect cleaning ? Like you can clean it every time after you use it ?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Just a normal little cable tie. It doesn't get dirty, since it's still far enough away from the milk.

[@dannongwu]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner thank you so much!! 😊 I just tried today and it worked perfectly without getting out. Though the milk seems less foamy than before. But I guess I just need to change the method from before.

[@bernhardb.9059]

Thanks for the good review! Like the Dinzler Cups. They make good coffee from Bavaria/ Germany.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Yes they do, Dinzler is awesome! Thanks for your comment!

[@ben2.051]

@TomsCoffeeCorner which would you recommend between the Dedica Arte and the Bambino Plus if there is only 100€ difference between these 2 machines ? A lot of people seem to prefer the Bambino Plus but you seem to prefer the Dedica that's why I hesitate, thank you so much for you advise

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

If they were the same price, I would say go for the Bambino Plus. If the Arte is 100 cheaper, I'd recommend that one. But that's me. You will still need to get a decent PF and basket for the Dedica, so keep that in mind.

[@ben2.051]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner either way I'd like to add a PF and basket, but would I get better coffee or cappuccino if I add €100 for the Bambino plus, that's the real question? thank you

[@Mahtayoo]

Why did you use your expensive portafilter on the Delonghi, but the standard one on the Sage? Is that not unfair? You stated earlier in the video that the portafilter makes a huge difference in shot quality

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

The PF does't alter the taste, it's just nice for viewing the shots and evaluating puck prep.

[@brochacho6355]

Hello. Which Delonghi would you recommend just above the Dedica? Or do you think the Dedica is the most solid for humble home use? What about the Dedica Arte?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

The Dedica Arte EC885 is the one I'd recommend.

[@brochacho6355]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner I geez. Thanks. Is there a model just above that that you’d recommend or go with the Dedica Arte, or Bambino Plus? You seem like expert. I’d like solid espresso maker and steamer for home and for someone like you to tell me what to buy …. Both seem awesome but is there one above the Dedica Arte that fills the gaps?

[@janet83]

Just getting into coffee and your chanel is amazing!! So straightforward and great explanation

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Welcome aboard! Thanks so much for your feedback!

[@fenderbender5987]

You said the Dedica was made in Italy. What is the reliability like for these machines? Will it need to be repaired often like a Alfa Romero?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

No, I said said the Dedica was designed in Italy, since it is an Italian company. The Bambino was designed in Australia. Both are made in China.

[@mikenortheast6393]

My new favourite channel. Still haven't decided on what machine to get, though :D

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks so much! They are both good starter machines.

[@mikenortheast6393]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner I just managed to buy a second hand 685 for £20! Now the fun begins!

[@Chelovik_NZ]

I have both the DeLonghi Dedica Arte and the Breville Bambino Plus (the later is in my holiday house). I like them both, for different reasons. The Bambino is great for members of the family who aren't used to espresso machines, and it means they can take a bag of pre-ground with them, and simply use the machine to make a pretty good latte or espresso. The self-clean option is a winner, because someone abused the previous machine by not flushing the steamwand. Now, everyone is happy. At home, I prefer a better made coffee, and enjoy latte art, so the DeLoghi Dedica Arte is perfect and a low cost option. Having discovered Tom's Corner, I can see I have a few options available to improving my coffee ... bottomless portafilter, reducing the pressure, which I'll do for the Delonghi

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I can agree with that ß thanks for sharing! Tom

[@hairsandwiches]

I am looking at purchasing one of these machines, this video has helped me a lot!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Awesome, I’m very happy to hear that! 👍🏻

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Let me know which one you choose. 👍🏻

[@XtremeKremaTor]

Mine Dedica I got from Amazon Warehouse new, for 86 quid. Bought open portafilter. Taste is a steal for the price

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Whoa, sick deal! Amazon warehouse for the win!

[@cutiebirdie2216]

Hi Tom,do you have a video on Dedica Arte vs Bambino?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I did the EC685 vs Bambino Plus (this video, haha), but I don't yet have a Bambino. Cheers!

[@billtheunforgiven]

So dedica 785 or sage Bambino or breville mini Batista.?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

At this point I’d say Delonghi ECP 35.31.

[@charleslee8024]

Great comparison, and Merry Xmas! I’m about to upgrade to Bambino plus and doing the research. I also used bottomless portafilter on my Dedcia which is a great machine for last 2years! However can I ask a question - when making two coffee in a row, I always have a problem that bottomless portafilter will unloose itself during the 2nd coffee extraction (I have to hold the handle to resist it), have you ever had this problem? Or it’s just me? Cheers

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi there! No, that is strange. That has never happened to me, and I have had my Dedica for five years now. Maybe it depends on the aftermarket Bottomless portafilter. I’m using Normcore. Cheers! Tom

[@siyang2]

This also happens to me. It's weird because when I first started using the bottomless filter, it was working fine. But now it's been starting to turn during the extraction and if I don't hold it, it would definitely pop off...I wonder why

[@gulsah21-q6j]

hi Tom thank you for tips. i want to ask Sage Bes810 is same with bambino? which one is better? thank you so much

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

No, those are two different machines. At least the optical design is different, I’ve never used the BES 810.

[@gulsah21-q6j]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner thank you🌹

[@deyoviC]

Is the Bambino noticeably better with aftermarket portafilter? I have the EC675 and I need another small one for my other apartment and I don't want another EC675. The Bambino is currently on sale for 225 Euros so I thought I might give it a try. What do you think, Tom? Edit: Also, what do you think about Graef Pivalla which is also currently on sale for 177 Euros.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

It's not about a better shot due to the bottomless, it's about diagnosing your shots. They WILL get better, once you see how your extraction is. 225 is a good price.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I'd steer clear of the Graef, just my opinion.

[@deyoviC]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thanks for your opinion and advice, I will likely buy the Bambino. Have a good day!

[@ninaninabonita]

Just found your page and subbed:) Exactly what I was looking for, and as a newbie to espresso, I learned so much!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hello Nina, thank you so much! Nice to have you on board! 👍🏻

[@jhonicane]

Excelente video me compro la delonghi, creo que para empezar va a estar 👍

[@geogiokas]

Hi, can you operate the bambino without installing its water filter?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Yes!

[@sitsinn2289]

What's the biggest difference between these two machines from a end-user's point of view. The Bambino Plus AUTO-streams milk. Offering 3 different temps and 3 different form levels.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I would say they are both easy to use, but the Bambino is much easier to steam milk on. Espresso is about the same.

[@billpurcell3551]

Can you explain that plastic insert? Is there a reason to not remove it?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Not in my opinion. It's better to have the PF pre-heated. I removed the plastic in mine, and dunk it in hot water to warm it up.

[@billpurcell3551]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner what is the purpose of plastic insert? I have a Solis Perfecta Plus on its way to me. I think I'll remove it if there is one included. Thanks for the reply!

[@jonathanwong8487]

The Bambino cant upgrade to fit open porta ?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Sure it can. Just look for a 54mm bottomless for Breville/Sage.

[@michaelbattista1334]

What is the brand of that funnel that you are using and is it a 51mm funnel?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Edesia, 51mm aluminum. Cheers!

[@velchuck]

I just bought a Bambino. I feel it offered more versatility.

[@caffeineisking8132]

What difference does having the basket warm make? I've had my bam plus for 6 months and never thought to warm it up first!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi! You want everything in the espresso path to be heated, ideally to the same temperature. If the portafilter for example is room temperature, as soon as the hot espresso hits it, it will suddenly decrease in temperature, and lose flavor and mouth feel. At least that is how I see it. Cheers!

[@przemeko1118]

Hey Tom, are you sure that Bambino portafilter is made of aluminum and not steel? Btw, sorrry for the lame question - do any of these machines have any aluminum part in the processing chain, that is - if a water or coffee flows through anything of aluminum which is considered brain-toxic?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I do not know if the PF of the Bambino is aluminum. But it feels lighter than the ones from the BBE for example. The Dedica's PF IS aluminum. But, the thermoblocks of these machines are both steel lined. Is AL really toxic? The Bialetti is aluminum, as is the boiler of the GCP. Cheers!

[@p0is0n1234]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thanks!AL will not kill you instantly,but it gets accumulated in the brain causing neuro-degeneration based diseases.Water with AL is less harmful than coffee (acidic liquid) but still.Hence I say no to AL made cafetieres.And Bialetti makes steel ones as well.

[@petaiscott5106]

Hi Tom, always enjoy watching your sharing. May I know where can I purchase the magnetic WDT tool?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Sure, it's this one: WDT Tool: tidd.ly/3KIG541 (etsy)

[@petaiscott5106]

​@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thank you.

[@IvanBaas]

What about Delonghi ECP 3420 vs Bambino? since ECP 3420 was better than Delonghi Dedica.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I'd probably prefer the ECP over the Bambino. Bambino is better at steaming milk though.

[@VishmanVlogsPersonal]

Hi 👋🏼 could you please do some video about how many shots we can pull continuously and the intervals we should give in between? My plan is to use two Dedica Pumps as a pair for my small cafe, which might have a demand of 10-20+ shots per day. And for the milk frothing I will use a separate electric mixer type milk frothier not the one included in these machines as it might not be economical as it seems in the long run. If I could run like this for 3-6 months then it’s more than enough!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

You just have to wait 60 seconds for the Dedica between shots, so that the pressure dissipates. It is not meant for cafe use, but you might get away with 10-20 shots for 6 months.

[@VishmanVlogsPersonal]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Hi Tom, Thanks for taking time to replying! I’ll reconsider my decisions based on this!

[@jaredschoenbrun]

i got single wall and double baskets a month ago in the us

[@Crazydragonman]

Great video thanks you mixed my mind in what to buy :) but i will get dedica with mods.Will try sage with the grinder later on.

[@rezartavdyli]

Thanks a lot Tom it was really helpfull for me, i have checked a lot videos in youtube and most of famous youtubers they comercial so much breville/sage about how good its temperature over delonghi machines they say but i see its all fake what they do, i was really going to buy the bambino plus cuz i saw a good offer but i see no diferences whats so ever. I actully do use yout hack of presing steam button in dedica you have sad 3 but i live 4 or 5 and comes quite enjoyable. I was hoping to see the portafilter if they fit each other but maybe next time again.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

The advantage the Sage offers are its ergonomic design, and they have great marketing. But I would say the espresso between these two machines is about the same. At least with the Dedica you can do the steam hack. That is not possible with the Bambino, since it auto purges. Cheers!

[@przemysaw124]

For SAGE Bambino Plus SES500 which tamper to look for 54mm or 53mm? I would like to buy a MOTTA 54mm but I don't know if it will be too big?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

The Sage has 53.3mm baskets. I measured with my calipers. So, I would suggest this Normcore: amzn.to/3XA9m7e

[@przemysaw124]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner THANK YOU So 54mm will be too big? I only have MOTTA 53MM Will it be better than the original one that comes with the machine?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@przemysaw124 Hmm, not significantly, in my humble opinion. Do go for a 53.3mm, whatever you do.

[@blookmukk]

I’ve ordered a 51mm bottomless portafilter for the dedica arte as on the amzon advert it said it fits the dedica but not sure if there any different between the arte size and the normal dedica?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Arte and normal Dedica share the EXACT same brew group. Cheers!

[@mulullama]

What's the model number for the ims basket you're using on the dedica?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

IMS DL2TH26E Double Basket: amzn.to/3W6ihf2

[@katdouglas5927]

I'm looking for an espresso machine where no plastic or aluminum comes into contact with the hot water. Do either of those meet that standard? thank you!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi Kat, not unless you remove the plastic insert from each. Or you could use a bottomless PF. Cheers!

[@mrs.debrie4049]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner does breville offer a PF without plastic?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@mrs.debrie4049 Not sure...I would suggest getting a bottomless anyway. Cheers!

[@kovastol6818]

Thanks a lot Tom, its really super comparison. I love my Dedica. Proce for Bambono up to double, but not need changing PF and panarella. I bought PF, nonpressuerized basket, tamper with ajustable spring(very good ,not Timemore but similar) I try to change panarella, but its difficult and found solution-start make Cappuccino and on he end shift to Hot water and Fantastic creamery milk! Try! Agai, I love Dedica685m (Tom's coffee corner my best teacher) Good luck.

[@ignaciogonzalez6132]

How you do it?

[@TheQuarkQuark]

im an absolute beginner, which one do you recommend?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Well, the Bambino is better if you don't want to mod the Dedica. It kind of depends on the prices in your country. If the Dedica is half the price of the Bambino, go for that. If they are the same price, I might lean towards the Bambino.

[@alpgocekli6875]

Very useful.. thank you so much for all the amazing work..

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

You're very welcome!

[@joedonaghue2952]

the baffle you have on the grinder where can i purchase the same ?

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[@brucesherborne408]

You had a little channeling in the Bambino shot as it came out one side of the spout a few seconds earlier than the second so that might have affected the taste

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Yes, I noticed the unfair distribution on the left and right side. :) But I did WDT beforehand. I do think the plastic fins inside the PF make a difference in the routing as well, but my prep could very well have been off. Cheers!

[@halilakos1]

hello Tom tell me pleace the triming number for espresso

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi there! Do you mean grinding setting? If so, that is dependent on the grinder and bean. Which grinder are you using?

[@PabloZaragoza85]

Great video bambino for sure

[@nidarahman2305]

i am loving and enjoying your channel

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thank you so much!

[@johnruddleston805]

Hello Tom, I own the DeLonghi La Specialista machine and the videos you are posting are superb and I find them extremely helpful. Unfortunately try as I might I cannot get my pressures down below 10 bar and most of the single and double espresso shots are running at 11 bar regardless of grinder settings or dosing amounts. The portafilter is filled and tamped to precisely the recommended amount and most pours time out at approximately 15 seconds delivering 40ml . The pressure gauge is working fine - what is wrong???? Also on average how many kilograms of coffee does it take to be proficient with this machine as I have now used up 2 kilos experimenting? I would also like to perfect latte art but I am having no success whatsoever. Would It be better to buy a dairy farm as I am using so much milk?😂🤣 Keep posting the videos Tom there great! Your very frustrated subscriber, John 👍

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi John, are you using fresh beans? Most people complain that they cannot get the pressure HIGH enough, but if your pressure is too high, then maybe is it a combination of fresh beans, and the basket supplied with the Arte. It is designed to help create a bit of pressure itself, through its truncated design with fewer holes. If you try an IMS basket, I think you will find the pressure will decrease due to fewer holes. Here is an example: geni.us/DeLonghi_IMS_Basket

[@johnruddleston805]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thank you very much Tom for taking the time to reply. What a great suggestion you have made. I will purchase both single and double baskets & ensure the beans are freshly roasted. Thank you once again for your great channel & good advice. Regards, John

[@Presso99]

Darker roast beans are more porous than lighter roast beans. You can try lighter roast beans instead

[@knab2831]

which model dedica is yours?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi! EC685.W

[@monika.tours.coffee]

Awesome review thank u soooo much From Egypt

[@NoZenith]

I've one more night to sleep on it but I think I'm finally going to commit to this exact black truffle Bambino Plus. I wanted to buy from my local store, Williams-Sonoma, but they still only carry the version that does not include the non-pressurized, single wall baskets so I'm going to probably order directly from Breville since they ship with four baskets, single and double in bold pressurized and non-pressurized at this point in North America.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

It's actually on sale right now for 20% off on Breville.com: breville.oie8.net/nL1aVo

[@NoZenith]

@TomsCoffeeCorner I snagged it on the Mother's day sale 😁

[@AP-nu2ny]

which dosing funnel is this?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Edesia :)

[@dimitriskartasakis9680]

gaggia carezza deluxe vs delonghi dedica?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Maybe someday...gotta do the Solis Barista Perfetta first...