osu! PROBLEMS with Tablet that no one really talks about.

[@leferraille7207]

does this mean that touchscreen is the best playstyle

[@Vitamins225]

Yes

[@derppy]

for jump maybe but stream big f*ck no

[@derppy]

But touchscreen has some problems like stamina,Hands blocking your view,and improving speed is harder bc more stamina drain=more time you has to spend on improving speed but you'll will get it if you worked hard soo works hard? maybe harder then you ever been, push the limit, surpass the limit and, GO BEYOND

[@wxyz7776]

always has been

[@fluffyfre]

No lol, I know since I play using the same playstyle as bonk and I’ve had maps where I literally could not read part of it.

[@microphonejunkie]

I would have loved to see this video when I started to play with a tablet. I'm personnally in a pretty special case (I think), because I began playing osu! with a mouse, but I am left handed, and I have always used the mouse with my right hand. I've never had a problem with it, because I've always been used to it. However, on osu!, aim is really important (it's the point of the game) and I actually realised that with my right hand, it was really complicated for me to aim precisely. I tried to switch with my left hand, but it was worse, as I had never used a mouse with my left hand. So I decided that if I wanted to improve on osu!, I needed to get a tablet. Once I got my tablet, I've got my level back pretty fast (in 3/4 days) and I felt satisfied playing like this. But as I was improving, I felt that my grip was bothering me, so I tried to change the area, the sensitivity, the way I held my pen. Sometimes it was quick, sometimes not, and I've never kept the same grip for long. It took me quite a while to understand that I would probably never find the perfect grip, and it was frustrating, because I had the impression that nobody had the same problem as me. I've been playing osu! since 2017, and with this whole new video that got recommended to me by chance, I finally realised that my problem was actually normal, so thank you, it definitely changed my point of view about it, and will surely help me to not be discouraged from playing osu! in the future, unlike what I did a few times before.

[@acelys-x]

Almost the same situation as me. Been playing since 2018. Started with mouse in my right hand (I'm left handed) and eventually switched to tablet with my left hand. I couldn't find a grip and I struggled with tapping a lot. Got to rank 50k and got fed up of not being able to play stream maps at all. I decided to start using tablet with my right hand instead of left. My tapping was much better, but my aim was awful. Unsurprisingly though, my aim has improved a lot over time, and now I've surpassed my old rank by nearly 20k ranks. I can stream 240bpm on good days. Switching hands was the best decision I've made in regards to osu

[@RAGINGwithALEX]

Bro I wish I could switch to tablet left hand but I can’t tap at all with my right hand because it’s painful :(

[@acelys-x]

@@RAGINGwithALEX use tablet with your right hand. Read my comment

[@RAGINGwithALEX]

@@acelys-x I got a tablet about a year back and tried playing right hand. I struggled to hold the pen and couldn’t aim 2 star maps for the week I had the tablet. I’m playing mouse now and my tapping is far ahead of my aim making my account acc nuts. I am rank 54 k with 99.46 acc, 85 k play count and top plays far below what I should have for my rank. It’s taken me 2 years to get my aim to 5-6 star jump range. I will try tablet again one day but for now I am chilling with shaky aim and good tapping 👍

[@loopygordo]

Same exact situation here. Still struggling with my grip but I've finally started getting more relaxed nearly a year later.

[@奇怪的小明]

I got so frustrated one day that I decided to swap my left/right hand (left for pen and right for keyboard) And I found out that it is pretty nostalgic. (recalling the past-self, struggling with 2 stars)

[@Tonehhosu]

that reminds me, for those of you who are left handed (writing hand) and want to switch to tablet (but have played right handed mouse on osu for any period of time), you may be asking 'well how do I deal with this problem? The problem being: 'if I play left handed tablet then I will have to re-learn how to tap on my right, but if I play right handed tablet and keep my muscle memory for tapping on my left hand, then I have to learn how to aim with my right hand'. my advice is as follows: - you're going to have to learn/re-learn something either way. do whatever you feel is more comfortable doing. - i've got a friend who had this exact problem and he had about 400 hours with right hand mouse as a left handed writing person. he decided to re-learn tapping on his right hand in favour of having good control of tablet aim on his left hand (since he is a left handed writing person). it took him a few weeks/months to get into it but i would personally do the same if i was in that position - apparently spare (top 50 player) is a left handed(?) writer but he learned to aim with his right hand (idk how fast he learned to do it but it doesn't matter, he has thousands of hours). - so again, you might have to spend a lot of time re-learning/learning either way depending on how long you've played. or just don't switch to tablet - it's as simple as that.

[@wadid6332]

Ya this is my case and at first I am struggling with my right hand cuz Im lefty so I told to myself "f*ck it, I need to tap in right hand if I want to be comfortable in my aiming". So basically I go back to zero and then for like 5 weeks I can now caught up my tapping just like in my left hand (and I can alternate properly)

[@wetdog412]

Im a left handed writer, but for some reason found it extremely uncomfortable to aim tablet with my left hand. I ended up using tablet with my right hand and caught up to my mouse aim in less than 2 weeks. It really doesn’t seem to make a difference what hand you use as long as it feels comfortable.

[@d4rknightmare970]

I write with my left hand too and thats some good advice i haven't switched to tablet yet and i'm using my mouse with my right hand

[@zlve]

Why do other left handed people play with mouse on right hand, is it just because it’s hard to find high end mice for left handed people? I would definitely get frustrated because I would constantly feel like I was at a disadvantage

[@mr_cat5141]

I didnt have a problem at all when I switched and changed my tapping hand but probly bc I was playing lower stared maps

[@ryansonnek4999]

Bro this vid is one that’s needed to be available for years. SO MANY people think tablet is superior to mouse with no drawbacks or complications and are frustrated when they aren’t immediately gods or just have to deal with new probs like grip and tablet areas.

[@Wutever]

My expirence. My aim hand has pretty much never been comfortable on mouse or tablet. Mostly mouse. But like i think the biggest stint ive done was over a full month and nope. But its frustrating because i have talked to like 2 people ever who didn't see tablet as a instant skill boost who hear me struggling with and basically call me a retard. Good community to ask for mechanical help in as per usual

[@zhongxina7834]

Copium

[@ostro623]

As a mouse player I can testify that we too struggle with grip, sometimes I get up to go drink water or something, come back, and my aim goes from godly to shit and I lose my motivation to play for either a few hours or a few days

[@Suigen]

personally I’ve never had grip issues with mouse I just grab the mouse and I’m good to go. using a tablet on the other hand has been a struggle I’ve forgotten my pen grip for a total of 3 times in my time playing osu and it’s the most frustrating thing ever.

[@kaerisxs]

that because you play low sens prob

[@majorbuthemightplayvideogames]

Just noting some common issues as a longtime mouse player: - Mouse Drift (demonstrated in the video, better than I can put into words) - Mouse Grip (while not nearly as varied as tablet, there are many different ways to hold and use a mouse. Its common for osu players to have a grip completely different from other games) - Grip slip (over time, mouse grip/grip tape will lose adhesion, and move on the mouse because the way you hold it constantly adds pressure against them. Sometimes they "slip" at the worst time) - Surface Slide (The reason we use grip tape; plastic can be slippery, especially if oily or sweaty, and you can't really have that in a game like osu) - Mousepad Preference changes (Like tablet, your preference changes constantly. I went from a soft mat, to a hard pad, to a hardpad on top of a softpad, and now, I don't even use a mousepad) - Un-clean pad or mouse (Sensors these days are really accurate, so keeping the mousepad/surface and the bottom of the mouse clean is a must!) - Space (It's actually pretty hard to get enough space to feel comfortable. I have an 80" desk, and still occasionally hit my hand on things) - Mouse Skate degradation (mouse skates [feet] don't last forever, especially if you play a game like Osu. Occasionally, you will have to change them, and its not fun) - Sensor Cleaning (sensors are sensitive, keep it clear) - Desk/Keyboard space (unlike needing physical space to move it, you also need a pretty clear desk for a mouse to move it, unlike a tablet, which stays in the same spot) - Standardization (Mouse sizes, shapes, weight and general specs suffer from terrible standardization. It can be extremely hard to find one you like) - Wrist movement (Square jumps on mouse are just not a fun time; not impossible, but certainly not as easy as on a tablet; your wrist just doesn't really work that way) - "Particles" (Easily the worst of them all. The sensors and bodies of modern gaming mice are extremely sensitive. It only takes a tiny crumb, or even just dust to throw ones aim off entirely. The amount of times I need to flip my mouse over and blow, or even wipe it down, is ridiculous; and I'm a neat freak who wipes down my desk and peripherals constantly; I literally have cleaner at the end of the desk. Yeah, you should clean your tablet, but normal wear and tear will not affect it nearly as much as it affects a mouse) These are just a few examples of how high maintenance a mouse can be, especially in comparison to the downsides of a tablet. This is written from a more "competitive" standpoint, so a decent amount of it won't apply to the average user, but its still something to think about.

[@tldzkek9185]

I'd like to also add: entire arm gets stuck to mousepad

[@itsjustmajor6191]

@@tldzkek9185 Good one; yeah, Ive been having that problem a lot recently, to the point where I have actually started needing to use powder during the summer (I dont even sweat, its just the humidity). It's so ~hecking~ annoying when you screw up because your arm wont slide thats 1/8th of a centimeter you need

[@tldzkek9185]

@@itsjustmajor6191 yea it's like imagine you know you've mouse drifted and you try to adjust but you can't because hand is glued on to the mousepad so you have to lift mouse

[@UmCaraNormalnumPlanetanormal]

Dude my main problem with mouse is that godamn grip slip, whenever im playing i legitimately have to think more about how to get my mouse back to its optimal position mid play rather than the play itself, its extremely frustrating because this makes me a lot less consistent and has fucked over countless plays of mine

[@itsjustmajor6191]

@@UmCaraNormalnumPlanetanormal Yeah, Its easily the biggest downside. I've had a lot of luck with practicing against it, by either trying to ignore it (training micro adjustments and to not get overwhelmed or uncomfortable by the feeling mid play) or by just trying to keep my arm straighter and make less wrist movements in general. It works well, but its definitely something I need to think about and keep aware of, as it will never be comfortable. There was actually one player who played with his mouse sideways to combat it, should be on youtube if you're interested. Definitely get some sort of grip tape on your mouse though, it does help at least a little.

[@morejaeru]

As a mouse player, I still often have to adjust my grip. I have for my entire life found basically every mouse and mouse grip uncomfortable asf (not only in games, but casual use). i tend to switch my grip every week - not in purpose, but my brain makes me switch just to stay little bit comfier. Also while there is no area issues, just finding that one comfortable place on your mousepad to keep your mouse at for optimal aiming is very hard to find. And it differs on how dirty/sweaty your mousepad is. And I know tablet players also have this problem, but especially during summer, osu! is just unplayable due to amount of sweat hand generates. I often had to pause midmap to adjust my grip, not because of mouse drift, but sweaty mouse (and keyboard). So yeah, it doesn't matter which device you use, it is likely to have grip issues eventually.

[@redeal6581]

Sweaty hands is pain lmao, if your house is cold, for me, washing my hands with hot water and drying it helps, this is truly the one thing where genetics actually come into play.

[@kmiotek9078]

I started out as an mouse player but switched to tablet shortly after getting my first 5* fc. At first tablet seemed SO COMFORTABLE, I found my grip within few hours and on my first day I nearly replicated my mouse scores. After that I improved rapidly, BUT... After some time playing my hand started to hurt. Didn't matter how long of a break I took, didn't matter how little I played, my wrist started hurting as soon as I started playing. So I tried out different grips and found one that didn't entice my hand hurting, although I was noticibly worse with that grip. I slowly regained my aim, but by the time I crawled back to my previous level my hand started hurting again. And this time there was no grip that made it go away, I tried literally everything. Eventually I realised that if I wanted to keep my hand, I had to stop playing osu with a tablet. But I didn't want to quit osu alltogether, so I tried mouse again. To my suprise, my skill with a mouse was leagues better than it was when I stopped using it, and while it was worse than my skill with tablet it wasn't THAT much worse. And most importantly, my hand stopped hurting. Right now (1 year after I went back to mouse) my aim is still worse than it was with tablet, but I never enjoyed playing osu more. What's more, my aim might be worse, but my flow aim, ability to play fast sliders, alt maps, tech streams and weird, wide-angle aim are much better than they were with tablet. Mouse drift is annoying, but compared to how many problems with holding a grip there were while I was playing with a tablet, it is a minor inconvenience. So what's the moral of this story? Idk, mouse good tablet bad, just wanted to share ma experience with tablet...

[@zeemaaahsurosu2439]

I know it's completely stupid but personally I solved a little bit this problem of sweaty hands by putting "grip tape" on my mouse (my hands are sweaty all the time not only in summer)

[@StarryxNight5]

My mouse is specifically right handed, see. It has a little ridge to the left where you would rest your thumb. But the thing is, I don't palm my mouse. I use my finger tips. So whenever I use mouse, its super uncomfortable. It isn't too big of a problem but, I found myself forgetting my grip a few times because of it

[@imrdx9085]

every issue he said in the video about the pen apllies to the mouse players. what is even worst is that i use the smallest mouse pad in the world. and the sweaty hand is a problem man in my country the temperature is 39 C°

[@mouse5318]

This happens on mouse too, I would switch between a wrist and arm grip and I’m trying to find an in between. So basically finding a grip that causes the least amount of drift and also is most comfortable.

[@handsomebear.]

Not to mention everyone who is switching sens 3 times a day lmao. That's a thing in FPS games as well.

[@morejaeru]

@@handsomebear. people that change sens on osu are pretty weird imo. The best sensitivity is 1 or something close to it, as it feels exactly same as it feels on desktop.

[@mouse5318]

@@morejaeru there is no “best sensitivity”

[@amanzepd5071]

@@morejaeru you must have high af dpi

[@zerdodylan]

@@amanzepd5071 for sure. my dpi is so low for other games, i have to move the osu sens up lol

[@chromacat248]

i got a tablet just to draw on about a year ago, but pretty recently i was bored and started a half-life playthrough with the tablet and very quickly realized nice just kinda suck in general (it also got me into osu which is a plus) i’m about a hair’s width away from just unplugging my mouse and throwing it in the cables box, but it’s still a bit finicky in KDE plasma (specifically: windows that draw their own titlebars can’t be dragged with the pen; certain windows maximize themselves when i drag them with the pen; sometimes a window loses pen focus even though the pen is over it and i have to move my mouse over the window to bring back pen focus) and also minecraft doesn’t take pen input properly even with raw input enabled so i need a mouse to play minecraft

[@TheOfficialGummy]

next video: "osu! PROBLEMS with the game that no one really talks about."

[@der8265]

Very relatable, I‘m at 1.5k hours and still havent found a truly comfortable grip.

[@Antside]

Just curious, what rank are you?

[@der8265]

@@Antside around 7k now

[@pleasednut3881]

a few months ago i was so over my bad pen grip that i literally asked the highest rank player im friends with to send me a vid of his grip and ive been using it ever since LOL

[@GloboxShooter]

that "missing pen grip in a random day" really happened to me as well, i just instantly forgot how to grip then back to trial and error, literally next week i found my grip back which is nice. the struggle parts where you have to adjust your grip and play area when buying tablet for the first time also gets me, i remember trying from full area to half, but now i can play comfortably on my specific area at 35mm x 19mm and switching from hover to drag mouse also have it's own struggle, not only mouse drift but sensitivity and how much movement (or area) you want to use, which in my own case is quite small

[@zekkenwx]

I managed to find a grip and area that really make me comfortable, but one problem I have with the tablet that prevents me from aiming is the wear and tear of the tablet that makes my pen slide a lot on the tablet...and I don't know what to do about it, I've tried several solutions like putting a piece of plastic or thick paper over the tablet and still nothing worked...

[@amaanismail8530]

AHHHH another video from Tony less gooo

[@lupan37]

struggles i deal with on mouse: -mouse drift -mousepad getting dirty ,making my sensitivity slower, having to either clean it monthly or readjust my sensitivity, messing up my muscle memory -mouse getting dirty/sweaty can cause bad grip just like on pen, and you can't wrap it in something to prevent it, you must clean it up everytime you play if it's a problem for you

[@_quixote]

Same. My mouse grip feels so awkward. Its not like we can grip the mouse like normal. Thats why my grip on csgo is so much different than my grip on osu. My grip on osu is: I have to hold the middle or back of the mouse so i can do jumps and stuff

[@boastfultoast]

This video unfortunately encompasses my experiences with tablet over the years. Returning to the game with 6+ months of a new area just doesn’t feel right now, time to change again :) Thanks for listing/detailing the struggles though, nice to know a lot of these are common.

[@lukah6779]

its good to know a lot of others struggle with similar problems like me. I improved my tapping soooo much over the last couple of months, but I feel like my aim got worse (it probably did). I don't even konw what happened but one day I just randomly couldn't be comfortable with tablet. Still struggling with it, trying to find a nice grip.

[@Sumshi43]

This was a very valuable video for me, i just really needed to hear that the endless struggles i’m having with tablet are normal

[@r_Whispers]

i usually just switch between 3 grips everyday because they are all comfortable

[@peyton_uwu]

At 6:42; "Do mouse players also struggle with these problems?" Yeah, all of the time. I started out osu! at around 1600 dpi using wrist + fingertip grip. But as I slowly lowered my DPI down to 1200-1000I found myself pushing my wrist into my desk as some sort of "mount" so my mouse positioning would be consistent. So i lowered the shit out of my dpi all the way down to 600 and I now use an arm + wrist aim aswell as using my fingers for anything super precise in FPS games, or whenever I feel like it. However, I'm now kinda using my "skin flab" to an advantage, slightly pushing my forearm into my desk to use as a mount, and moving the rest of my arm when needed. I can move my "forearm mount area" around to compensate for mouse drift, however this can sometimes lead to me manspreading my right arm pretty far out and it's somewhat uncomfortable. Honestly, in my eyes how comfortable you grip on your mouse is depends on how well you can figure out your points of contact. As a fingertip + wrist player I would've benefitted from a mouse wrist pad, and some grip tape for my mouse (my hands get sweaty doing cross map jumps with a 110 gram G502). As a arm + wrist + occasionally fingertip I would benefit from a higher chair height so that my arms would "float" over my desk, rather than just sitting on them, and an arm sleeve made out of some athleticwear synthetic, stretchy fabrics so I can move my arm around without it catching onto anyhting, and again, some grip tape for my mouse. You need to find out exactly where you arent comfortable with your grip, because sometimes a really uncomfortable grip can be made into the best grip you've discovered yet due to taking into account all of the external factors. e Sorry for all the weird analogies lol

[@Remyria]

so I guess I'm super lucky to never have "forgotten" my grip or having felt like I had an uncomfortable one. I don't think I've had the same grip for all my 9 years, but besides trying out top players grips thinking that maybe my grip was holding me back early on(like in 2013), I didn't really change it much consciously. it probably evolved quite organically over the years, I even noticed I changed the way I move it significantly in the last 2 years or so. used to move my arm way more, but now I move my fingers a lot as well which takes less energy I think. full area first on a cth-470 and now on a ctl-4100 if whoever reading this wonders

[@plutonka]

Im went through this process a few weeks ago, i felt really bad for like 2 weeks one day my area just felt so strange, liek i never played it before, so i went through the long journey of finding a new area and i wasnt as good as i was on any of them, then i realized that all i had to do was find one that felt comfortable rather than what made me seem to play better, so i found another comfortable area and then i got used to it and good again

[@karbide_]

I remember buying tablet as a 6-digit thinking it would give me 8* jump aim and then switched back to mouse for a bit because it was so hard to find a grip without hurting my hand after a hour of osu! Then later on, i just kept playing with the same grip until it felt comfortable. Sometimes the words "play more" really are true. Thank you for putting these guides, wish you made these videos back when i started playing the game lmao

[@raizen4681]

4:14 finally im not the only one that is inconsistent af because i always forget my comfortable grip

[@im4d3m0n_]

"Learning to play with tablet is painful" Me who only took 4 days to become better with the tablet than with the mouse:

[@Simpelll]

Same here

[@89temples]

as a mouse player of 2 years i have used the same sens and mouse since my first week of osu and these problems are completely alien to me. I did try tablet for shiggles but it wasnt for me, too uncomfortable and despite the fact that flow aim was considerably easier, it just wasnt worth the struggle of relearning every other skill that was decidedly worse.

[@redeal6581]

Same lol I tried tablet on one of those big graphic displays, my arm was dead that day.

[@andemu_]

Finally someone did video about this. After many years of playing i still can't hold it comfortably. I just wonder why every top player have super weird grips, ​just got the tablet and the first thing that they does when pick up a tablet pen is usually to hold it like a pen no? So how it works? I don't believe any of them said "hey let's not hold it like a pen and instead use a weird grip" I feel alone with this but video make me think. I spended so much time testing areas, drag/hover, many tablet positions also different tablets, hand positions and im still stuck + I tense so much so it hurts

[@EpochIsEpic]

Tablet is not hard to get used to. I got mine, set it to cookiezis area, made that a little bit smaller until it felt nice, played for a bit, realized my pen kept slipping out of my hand with my normal pen grip, wrapped the pen in tissue and here we are years later and I’ve changed nothing about it. The initial process took two hours tops.

[@Kaminomenom]

Forgetting my grip was my main problem too, to fix that i decided to right down notes on how i grip my pen so i wouldnt forget

[@evryon1810]

My grip is, resting my pen on the middle finger and between the thumb and index, move it with middle, thumb, and index. Ring and pinkie stay behind the middle finger for streams as it feels hevier and more flowy, for jumps i raise my ring finger above the middle finger, or on top of the pinkie because it feels lighter and faster, and its a quick move i can do in the middle of anything

[@NewbieFirst]

All my problems with tablet disappeared once I switched to SFA 216 mm from my old 50-90 mm (I was changing it every couple of days because I couldn't find the right one), I literally set a new top play within an hour on an alt flow aim map first try, the only non-farm one at the time. It was 240ish pp, so it wasn't just because of a low amount of skill to gain back. Now I can comfortably play 7* cross screen/8* high bpm jumps on top of expected insane boosts to flow aim, aim control and aim precision (I can literally often get better acc and misscount on a map after changing cs from 4 to 6 just because it makes reading easier). I also can play for longer periods of time now, before switching to SFA I couldn't play for more than 3, rarely 4 hours, now I can play almost indefinitely, like I do multiple 8+ hour sessions per month where I'd stop only after getting too sleepy while playing maps on the outer half of my improvement zone. So my main answer to all complains now is "try full area for a week or two". The only downsides are inability to play high 9*+ jumps (but only on xooty's/rupertion's area, zoomer's one is probably good to go), you'll need a lot of free space on your desk, especially if you can't put your tablet below your keyboard, and it's also more demanding to chair/desk height ratio. Biggest upside is healthier joints due to less precision strain on them, especially compared to sub-whitecat-sized areas (Kariyu really felt this one). Same also goes to full alt vs singletap, full alt is better for your health due to no wrist strain while being less rhythmically precise. Disadvantages of both are negligible outside of top-100 level dt jumps.

[@Blank100k]

Actually when i was still newer to the game like 120 hours max, i actually drew an outline of my hand placement (i have a VERY small area at the time) so that way my hand would always be in the correct spot, i stopped doing this and did eventually change my tablet area to something bigger, as a plus i moved it to the corner instead of the middle so that way it would be easier to find hand placement even if it wouldnt matter much since i started aiming more with my wrist not fingers. I also had pen slipping problems (for a while) which i came to fix by putting a hair tie on it, i think ive finally escaped the horrors of tablet and can finally rest the struggle.

[@Rezeee]

I would recommend giving full area a try, and I don't mean try it for one map then swap back if you do badly, try it for a session, you don't want to play full area for more than a session of osu if it's not comfortable as it will fuck up your muscle memory with your normal area, even a session might fuck up your muscle memory depending on how long your sessions are so you can limit it to like a 1-2 hours if you want. I used to play with a 27mm(2.7cm) x 19mm(1.9cm) which is considered as a really small area. I played it for like 7 months and it got to the point where I was finally fed up with the area as it was shaky, i was inconsistent and my grip was kinda getting in the way. So back in April, I tried full area. It was hard at first, going from dragging on a small area to hovering across my entire tablet was hard, but in the first session I got more and more comfortable, in just 3 days I was back to my usual star rating of 5.5-6 stars. My aim became much smoother and consistent as I felt like it was easier to build muscle memory. Also I was primarily aiming with my arm meaning that my grip wasn't an issue because I aimed with my arm instead of wrist. Now, In May, a month after I switched to full area, I've fced my first 6 star, fc'd a 5 minute long stream map and reached top 150k (I can easily reach 5 digit if I grind but right now not focused on pp). Me swapping to full area made me much more consistent at osu to the point where my top plays are more consistent maps instead of farm maps. It's probably the best decision I've made as I've been able to set scores that I wouldn't have been able to do in just a month of playing full area. There are obvious cons with full area like finding it harder to play dt or fast jumps, but with enough experience you can play dt on full area, take xooty as an example. The more you play full area, the better you become (wow no shit), I went from being unable to play crosscreen jumps to being able to hit crosscreen jumps (in ~210bpm context) although dt is hard for me, I can't play dt, never been able to. Thanks for reading this long comment, hopefully it helps you with your struggles. Once again I should state that this is from my experience, majority of people find full area uncomfortable and if thats you then that's fine, it's just a recommendation if you are struggling. You don't have to make the switch to full area if you don't want to.

[@xephblade2630]

5:23 "If you have SFA in your name, you are a simp." damn that burn

[@dihydrogenmonoxide6748]

One more tip I do so I dont forget my grip is that I take a picture of it when it feels the most comfortable (yes) and then screenshot the my tablet area in my tablet driver

[@sato0ushi]

bro i kept losing the "perfect grip" so often that i just eventually learnt how to grip on every single angle

[@timhan8667]

good to see you back tony hope you had a good break

[@megahello9029]

literally asked grip advice got grip advice

[@wassimrezine1570]

4:34 ty for this words i really needed them u made my osu day i promise ill keep playing till i be the best

[@professorstarlight2268]

One of the hot takes I've had for a while is that you have to accept that grip changing, tablet repositioning, desk changes, etc are a part of playing the game - thus, responding and adapting to those changes is a skill you have to practice and master.

[@LenderV]

A thing that changed a lot for me was changing my tablet cover. At first I thought that I have problems aiming where I wanted to aim, but after I changed the cover to a less „slippery“ one I hit almost everything I wanted to hit

[@Zeus_idek]

I thank you for this video, (before I say anything, when I was younger I was made fun of by the teacher in front of my class for my hand writing and since then I've always hated writing, and the longer I write the more of an almost hopeless panic that I feel, so the point is that it started off incredibly hard to even hold the pen). School started for me yesterday and soon I plan on going to public school giving me less time to play osu, since skill decay is a thing it makes it much harder to improve but I'm very stubborn so especially given the fact that it'll be harder for me to keep my rank, I'm more motivated to find ways to keep playing and to keep improving, seeing this video brings me even more motivation because now I understand that playing with tablet is just a struggle that you have to bare with, I should've known better than to think that I was the only one struggling to maintain a comfortable grip. Really this video helped me understand that this is just part of the process and that its not over for me yet. I have a keypad coming in as well as heavier switches to practice with (which shipped very late), but once I'm able to start using it, I'm very confident in that it will be one of the things that helps me improve lots and I'm very excited. I'm just rambling now but really thank you for the video and giving me more peace of mind.

[@MecoJoeyRamone]

There are so many fucking factors to pen grips it's insane, intricate ones like whitecat's in particular, took me about a year to be able to confidently say I'm comfortable with it, even today I'm still finding out elements that make it better. I'll just note down some of the ones I really wish I knew when I got into it: time of the day/your brain state: this is by far the biggest one in my case, probably mostly happens to older people or people with brain issues. I, for once, can't grip my pen nearly as comfortably without my brain working at full capacity, this sucks for me because my brain only works at full capacity after I've been awake for like 8-12 hours, some days it just straight up doesn't work. I think what you mentioned in the video of you "forgetting your grip" wasn't you forgetting it, but your brain being low on juice and you not realizing it instead, which fucks with you and makes your grip feel bad. This can go on for days because it can damage your self esteem, and low self esteem can lead to days of bad mentality. for people with slim pens like the 472: I should've realized a lot sooner that it was the pen being really slim what caused me not to be able to maintain my grip, the 480 comes with a fat pen, so that shouldn't be a problem for most people with it, but for the 472 or similar consider putting some rubber or something to make it more grippable. tablet positioning: also plays a massive role, and I only really thought about it a couple of weeks ago, before swapping to a smaller area that I'm using now, my area was like 30% bigger, in order to compensate and be able to reach corners I had to move it farther to the left, leaving my arm in a weird angle, it was really comfortable but my aim was never great nor consistent, after switching to a smaller area I moved my tablet to the right by like 6cm, leaving my arm more parallel to the tablet, and holy shit it made my aim so much snappier and consistent, of course not as comfortable at first but definitely worth trying. All in all I wouldn't say all the time I spent optimizing my grip was a waste, I was learning to full alt, finger control, speed, and just reading in general. So even if you feel like your time is being completely wasted while you're struggling with your grip, don't be, because osu is a language, so even if you're playing suboptimally because of your grip don't let it get to you, you're still learning. At least that's what I told myself which helped me keep enjoying game through the struggles.

[@gyiunna]

recently got a tablet and been playing for 3 days now, I've been trying to have a good minset for the change from mouse and it's really tough, this video just helped me a lot thanks

[@invidia9388]

i switched from a few different playstyles, via mouse mousepad and tablet, I'm currently using tablet right now and i have been using tablet for around 2 months and haven't had any problems at all whatsoever, besides one, i have a tough issue hitting jumps along with smaller ones, nor can i hit them as consistently as i can with mouse or mousepad, this could just be an experience thing but i have to use certain skins to even hit SOME jumps accurately, it makes me want to just switch back to mouse, but I'll grind it out a bit more to see if its just experience or not, but still good video tony!

[@Jack-hm5jv]

6:51 exact the same with me, first i started playing mouse, then i purchased a tablet, played 1,5 years with tablet and now 2 weeks ago i tried to play just for fun with mouse and i was a lot better with mouse. My main problem with tablet was the slipping.

[@Michael-lh1qf]

I began playing with mouse, then I switched to tablet because I found it more comfortable. Now after a year with the tablet I've been thinking about switching again to mouse again, because I've been feeling very overwhelmed

[@kndra_]

I am a mouse player, and I think I use it very strangly. I am basically gripping the mouse using only my fingers to not change the rotation of the mouse, to make the mouse pad of mine (which is small) like a limited area where I move my mouse. one struggle I found by doing that grip for years, is the struggle to find the right distance for a jump. occasionally, I would just miss absolutely easy jumps and get mad because I am bad, but besides that, it really is a grip that I like. when I think about it, I also use that grip for other things too.

[@daniellivingston7153]

Alright so I have had some of these problems and every time it happens I tell myself, "dont mess with your area", or something else like that and I might have an off day, but I have yet to cap my skill and I'm currently rank 14.5k.

[@turbomeows]

I struggled with my mouse grip for a while, going from palm to claw, hell I ever tried fingertip. I ended up getting a new mouse, and claw has felt natural and very good for me since.

[@luca...8604]

if anyone need tips maybe these will help (now only for grip and so) 1. but some adhesive bandaide on your pen. its similar to toilet paper but doesnt move you can also burn it a little so it becomes grippier 2. wrap a string around the point where you put your fingers on so it doesnt slip and you can forget your hand position you cant lose grip through sweating or long maps with this tactic :)

[@andybuscus383]

I'm a lefty. I started out playing mouse with my right hand and tapping with my left. After about 6 months, I switched to tablet. It was really weird, not just learning how to use the tablet, but also learning how to tap with my right hand. I just stuck with it, and my tapping speed and stamina are leaps and bounds better than they ever were when I played mouse. I was way worse with tablet for a few days, but after that, I shot off. Tablet isn't going to magically make you better, but tablet definitely fits for me.

[@Ben-se7vk]

The thing that I find the most annoying about tablet is how inconsistent the friction between the nib and tablet can be. You can be playing well with strong friction then mid way through a song it can become buttery smooth for no reason out of nowhere. Annoying how the same nib can feel wildly different 30 seconds apart.

[@thelazywanderer_jt]

Or better yet, dragging in a very smooth area on the tablet where the texture is gone, and it's so slippery it's like aiming on ice

[@retmotiv]

Thank you! I thought I was suffering alone with these problems. I was getting stressed and thought I was doing something wrong, but this reassures me.

[@daiyas_3596]

I found the perfect grip before I had to go away for 1 week. When I came back I spent the entire day trying to remember that grip and to this day I still can't

[@handsomebear.]

:< record it next time xd

[@disguisedmonkey9924]

I didn't have problem with an uncomfortable grip until I watched this video. Now each time I play I have to adjust it after every pause

[@loopygordo]

I thought I was a special kind of stupid, thank God for this video. I could play a map cracked out of my mind then play something right after and instantly forget how comfortably I was gripping my pen previously its the most frustration I've felt in this game.

[@tyrizzle6284]

LMAOO yeah I would think I’m stupid for forgetting how good the grip was 😭😭 “is this how I was holding it?”

[@Sondrex009]

Great video! and i love the gen4 ost you slipped in there ;) my fav gen

[@nyanfish1]

Wow I needed this video after struggling on tablet for two weeks

[@NoxernPL]

Throughout my 8 years of playing with mouse I've been changing not only my grip but also playstyle, I started with mouse only, not using keyboard at all then changed to mouse1 singletap and zx keyboard for streaming only. Nowadays i change my grip like almost everyday and it depends on playstyle that i use, I mixed my old playstyle with full alternate on keyboard for maps that are too exhausting to singletap with mouse only. Never had a problem with mouse drift but sometimes if i don't hold my mouse strong enough it rotates and fucks up my aim, but if i hold it long enough my hand gets tired

[@sejkacek72netherrack83]

the worst thing is specially when you finaly find your comfort area even grip and then your tablet starts either glitching or just stops working out of nowhere. At that time your mindset change so quickly from positive to negative and its painful to get back with any other tablet (even with the same one). Some of my friends even quit osu or just switched to another gamemode and never come back to clicking circles. tablet is a pain a horrible pain.

[@darwin3684]

I'm probably the only one playing osu with mouse like this but i developed a habit where i would play "well" when my hand is sweating profusely from moving the mouse and making the mousepad moist to reduce drag since my mousepad is rough when dry. Problem is, when you have a sweaty grip the mouse is going to inevitably slip so i had to wipe both my mouse and hand while playing (thanks pause feature). Worse, after a toilet break the mousepad would've gone dry and i wouldn't be able to play as well as before. Mouse drift does really suck on long maps especially with long and "fast" jump sections since being comfortable just don't work when your mouse is slowly drifting to the edge of the mousepad. My last issues with mouse is probably accidentally using the buttons and either getting a miss for tapping early or a 50 but of course i have to have it enabled to at least be able to play slow parts (slow sliders) with mouse only in emergencies where i need to scratch my face or check my phone for important notifs.

[@joshuaibanez5256]

My tip: As a tablet player, whenever you suddenly have to let go of your pen and when you come back, you "forget" your grip? Take a break. That's my cue sign for taking a break. There are times when I get back and I DON'T forget my grip, but for the times I do, I just take a break. Typically, I stop playing for the rest of the day and go on, then when the next day comes back on, I "find" my grip again. But the obvious problem is that sometimes you just can't find it. In those situations, practice. Whenever I THINK I've found my grip, I normally have a set of maps that I know by heart to use as my warmup just so I can see if my grip has finally returned. Funnily enough, though, my preferred pen grip right now is quite unstable, because whenever I'm playing long maps without breaks, it tends to slip a tiny bit. That tiny amount is normally enough to cost me a few S-ranks here and there, so as always, take this advice from the internet with a grain of salt.

[@kmiotek9078]

I started out as an mouse player but switched to tablet shortly after getting my first 5* fc. At first tablet seemed SO COMFORTABLE, I found my grip within few hours and on my first day I nearly replicated my mouse scores. After that I improved rapidly, BUT... After some time playing my hand started to hurt. Didn't matter how long of a break I took, didn't matter how little I played, my wrist started hurting as soon as I started playing. So I tried out different grips and found one that didn't entice my hand hurting, although I was noticibly worse with that grip. I slowly regained my aim, but by the time I crawled back to my previous level my hand started hurting again. And this time there was no grip that made it go away, I tried literally everything. Eventually I realised that if I wanted to keep my hand, I had to stop playing osu with a tablet. But I didn't want to quit osu alltogether, so I tried mouse again. To my suprise, my skill with a mouse was leagues better than it was when I stopped using it, and while it was worse than my skill with tablet it wasn't THAT much worse. And most importantly, my hand stopped hurting. Right now (1 year after I went back to mouse) my aim is still worse than it was with tablet, but I never enjoyed playing osu more. What's more, my aim might be worse, but my flow aim, ability to ply fast sliders, alt maps, tech streams and weird, wide-angle aim are much better than they were with tablet. Mouse drift is annoying, but compared to how many problems with holding a grip there were while I was playing with tablet, it is a minor inconvenience. So what's the moral of this story? Idk, mouse good tablet bad, just wanted to share ma experience with tablet...

[@dio4912]

1:36 : I havent got any mouse drift, but i switched to tablet. When i switched, I got better flow aim, and raw aim. It just helped me. Mouse was comfortable for me, but tablet is way more comfortable.

[@dnkmnjsnvrdie]

I used to take photos of my grip because I struggled to always get the same feel, but even using pictures, I struggle to get that same comfortable feeling

[@iDorito]

i just switched a week ago from mouse to tablet (Huion 420) and to be honest, my aim is insane now, streams feel just like autopilot and it did hurt the first 2 days (grip) but i got 'used' and actually is pretty confortable to play (i use my pen like im writing), you just need to test it and then judge wich one is better for you. I'm for sure keeping my tablet play style, i just crushed my top pp plays in less than a week (350pp+) so never give up. PS: i haven't played osu!standard in 2 or more years, just came back cuz i got a new tablet for drawing and i just realize that i got insanely good in just a couple days. Maybe i'm blessed, maybe it's normal, i'll just keep playing and pushing my limits trying to get inside the top 100 at least. wish me luck lol

[@riceee79]

i felt like i was the only one forgetting their own grip, i just thought something as wrong with me yesssss

[@thehugemoby1780]

the only reason i switched from mouse to tablet is because i couldn't play mouse with my dominant hand as i am a lefty. so i switched to tablet but if i'm gonna be honest, if i would have stuck with mouse i would have improved a lot faster as i was playing 5* maps like 5 months ago then switched to tablet. I had to go back to 3* maps and just 2 months ago have i been able to gain any sort of rank, and i just started to FC 4* maps consistently again. moral of the story the struggle is real no mater what level you are at so quit your bitchin and PLAY MORE!

[@kamosreborn1920]

For a while, I had the perfect grip. It was literally the best thing ever. Then, one day, I kept noticing that my pen kept slipping from my hand which is something that rarely ever happened before. After that, I kind of lost my grip for a couple weeks and I just become very demmotivated to play osu. So one day I was watching WoeyJ play, and I noticed he had a rubber band over his pen for grip. So I literally went to my mom to ask her for a rubber band, and put it on my pen. Since then, I almost NEVER have to readjust my grip during songs and can maintain the same grip in even longer beatmaps. So thanks Woey!

[@krass6603]

I immediately switched to tablet once I knew I was going to give this game a serious try, and in my experience I did not have a hard time adapting to it. It might be because I'm a new player and never really got to play with the mouse (aside from 3 years ago for a few hours) so I didn't have to adapt to a new style of play. I even switched from dragging to hover and it took me about two days to get comfortable with. Maybe its still too early for me to realise the problems that might come along the way, but so far I don't have many complaints aside from sometimes my grip hurts my hand after awhile or it starts slipping. I think all in all tablet is still better than mouse, you just have to start using it as early as possible like I did.

[@-aku2805]

I've been playing osu! since mid-2018 and I started using tablet a few weeks after starting, because my friend gifted me his old one. I didn't know any better - and so I changed. Now, at ~4.000 rank I'm frustrated that I changed back then, because holding a pen (no matter the grip) has always been uncomfortable for me. I don't know what it is, but I think something is wrong with my hands since I can't even straighten my fingers properly. Mouse is so much more comfortable for me to hold. I would like to switch, but I'm not sure if it's worth it because I know it will take a long time.

[@marekse727]

As a mouse player I lately also struggle with finding a good grip however that sound, but sometimes mouse feels just awsome and on other days I'm going out of myself

[@kuikori544]

I think changing playstyle often is not necessarily an issue. I personally change mine really often (especially my area), and i feel like it helps me a lot with mindblock, it's almost like i'm unlocking a new skill cap every time. Also great video as always

[@hlst727]

I played on both tablet and mouse, but eventually became a full-time mouse player. It wasn't because of grip, area, or anything like that (even tho I accidentally forgor to set my area on laptop when I was going to mountains and had a tournament), it was because I just thought mouse is cooler. Also when I switched back to mouse I almost immediately got a new one (G102), and God I sucked. I had countless amount of times my mouse drifting and slipping, but eventually I found a grip and now just gaming

[@despa333]

I would 100% say that mouse has big issues like this as well, some of it worse some of it not as bad. With mouse you can try so many different sizes, shapes, weights, and wireless or not just to find the "perfect" mouse. Once you have the mouse you like, it may be hard to find a good grip, just how it is with tablet. Same with finding a good sensitivity, that can be really difficult. I remember when I played mouse I switched from 400dpi to 1600dpi just because I wanted to hit larger jumps easier, but that comes at the cost of losing stability in the mouse. Both playstyles have their ups and downs, just use what is more comfortable.

[@fleuphy]

i switched off of mouse pretty early and for reasons other than mouse drift. I had been playing CSGO for about 4 years before playing osu I went into playing the game knowing that it doesn’t actually work as an aim trainer, but ended up realizing that it did the opposite for me. As I improved my mouse aim in osu, my mouse aim in CS got worse. It was then I realized that 3d aim and 2d aim are different. Switching to pen tablet for osu made it so I didnt have to employ two different aiming mindsets on one input device.

[@nanashi2622]

I save my tablet area size in Notes, I just use whatever grip is comfortable (I don't have a definite grip, even pen grip) and I use chalk to eliminate pen slip. Talc also works.

[@eight_nine]

you should also mention that badeu even made his area bigger recently. It changed it from like 55mm width to 80mm width so yeah. people change what they are comfortable with

[@larryjesus9035]

Tablet or mouse, both share the same problems: it's impossible to find a perfect grip that stays comfortable for a long time, and you are going to have times in which you are not going to feel comfortable with any grip you try. I have played Osu! with mouse for 5 years and i ended up mind blocking it. I have gone through different mouse sizes, i have tried different mouse grips, and it is always a struggle. The mouse slips through your hand just like a pen does, although it's much easier to relocate a pen rather than a whole mouse. Add to that the fact that the mouse's cable, as odd as it may sound, can have an impact on its movement if you want to do fast movements with it. It may seem like nothing, but moving the mouse fastly for minutes can make you feel its cable friction with the table's edge and/or wall. I have gone through a few set ups and i remember playing on a small set up with a mouse that had a long cable and its friction with the wall still remains as one of the most frustrating things i have experienced while playing Osu! since it feels like itrs dragging your sensibility down every few in a while. You also have to deal with changing your mouse DPI and/or sensibility some times, when you feel like you need a higher one or a lower one, and changing the sensibility may have a direct impact on forcing you to change your grip, which can turn into days/weeks for finding a comfortable one. Furthermore, there are lots and lots of different mouse, some are wider, some have more length, some others have a better adjustment for your thumb, others have a better adjustment for your pinky, some mouses gives you a bettee grip for your index and middle finger, some mouses are heavier than others, some mouses have a smoother surface than other, some mouses have shorter cables than the rest, etc. And with so many different shapes, a grip that you may find comfortable with a mouse won't be comfortable with quite literally any other mouse you can find, so maybe if you are struggling to find a grip you need another mouse, although, what details should you put more weight in when buying a mouse to find a grip you've never experienced before? Yeah, good luck. You better find a good grip with the mouse you already have rather than diving into an ocean of mouses looking for something you've never felt. There are more things that can make you struggle with mouse and that made me mind block it. I mean, just look at that russian kid grip, could you imagine yourself trying to find that comfortable? And to top it all, you have mouse drift... As many struggle that a tablet may give you, mouse isn't going to give you any less, but it goes the other way around too, switching to tablet isn't going to make suffer no struggles at all. After all, to play Osu! you have to feel comfortable, and so if you feel like playing better with mouse for some weeks then do so, and if you feel like playing with tablet for some other period of time go for it. Although arguably since both things are going to make you struggle but tablets don't suffer mouse drift, you are more likely going to rather play with tablet than with mouse, which is pretty much why the vast majority of switched tablet players (not people that have played with tablet since their beggining) don't go back to mouse even if the tablet is also a pain in the butt, and also the reason why lots and lots of mouse players buy a tablet (and then don't go back to mouse). Mouse can everything... But even tho tablet isn't an easy path with no struggles, it is easier to play Osu! comfortably with a tablet rather than a mouse (based on my point of view). I highly respect the few top players that use mouse, can't tell if they are all madmans or just lucky to have had the best mouse they could possibly play with.

[@lkcammal6605]

It was a pain when I can't find the way to grip my mouse, but fortunately after watching some mouse player, i was able to mix their grip style and now my hand started to feel comfortable when playing jumps

[@hoshikunai]

One VERY annoying thing with tablet, especially with dragging, is when the tablet surface changes to feel like dragging through mud. I have a CTH 480 and the surface gets very inconsistent, mostly due to nib wear.

[@ohcrai]

as a guy who use mouse when playing osu, yes i do change my grip sometimes especially on stream maps because when I play osu, I don’t move my hand but i move my entire arm and because of this my wrist always rubs against the mousepad which is really hurts. So whenever i play stream maps i have to hover my wrist up a little bit just so that i wouldn’t feel pain while i was playing

[@xephblade2630]

I've had my tablet for roughly 2 months, and my playstyle has not changed since i played with it for the first time, width of 100mm, height of 56.25mm (1.778:1 default ratio) and a somewhat comfortable grip, i had so much fun playing with tablet the first time i forgot how to play with mouse after 1 week and started setting new top plays 2 weeks after starting. seeing how lot of people struggle learning the new playstyle makes me feel like i hit a jackpot. Extra: i got my tablet at the middle of June, at the time i was 230k, right now I'm about to hit 5 digit by like 50 pp :D (101k)

[@vladimiriv3512]

I just got a tablet not too long ago. And all though I feel it is a large improvement compared to mouse, easier to control and get used to, (in my opinion), I do find myself losing grip on it at times when I am playing quickly and don't grip it properly. (Really difficult to find that proper grip.) But, I never complained about any mouse problems, and I don't complain about this single tablet problem I've encountered either. I don't believe one is better than the other objectively. But I do believe it takes more time to reach those higher peaks in skill with mouse. Although, I have also realized that swapping between the two tends to improve your skill between the both of them. Anyway, I just wanted to mention how I feel tablet is better for me. It's much more satisfying and generally easier to use. Please keep in mind this is my objective opinion, and I very much so like how you spoke of this subject in this video.

[@okkens]

I love your video, because your explanation and examples are so good

[@ojgfhuebsrnvn2781]

Couldn't play on mouse because it was painful and tiring. Switched to tablet, much less exhausting, not painful if i find a good grip (if using pen grip and circles are mostly on the bottom part of the screen then i get spasm of my hand and have to finish song by moving whole arm) but the most problematic thing for me is that sometimes there is a feeling of scratching the surface on the tablet area (you know that irritating sound, like scratching your nail on school board). I didn't find any scratches on tablet, changed tips and still "sometimes" this sound appear. I just can't bare it.

[@engkropix0558]

i was mouse player at first and after countless times i've heard from a friend "GET A TABLET" i've forced myself to learn it. it WAS pain, luckily not literally. i've started with a 9x11mm aread and now it's 4.20x2.69 inches and i ain't even joking (16:9 was 420x263 in the driver). if that's the case that if i'm comfortable with my playstyle i'm lucky then i consider myself extremely lucky. i would have never thought that it's so much struggle. oh and for grip, i rest my pen on 4th finger and lock it in my hand with the thumb, really standard grip and i have a really fucking big bump on the finger i rest my pen on AND lower side of my thumb feels like there's no muscle at all, like if the pen squished it so hard it scratched itself off the bone and it hurts sometimes. go for mouse if you find it comfortable, osu is a preferential game, there's no better or worse playstyle

[@whyar3y0uga34]

@Tonehh I know you wont see this, but we have A LOT MORE PROBLEMS ASIDE FROM MOUSE DRIFT. I took breaks back then and everytime I came back, I would find my sensitivity too low or high and I had to readjust it, then the cycle repeats every single day or multiple times per playthrough

[@whyar3y0uga34]

Breaks reset my muscle memory so Ibhave to redjust it

[@Tonehhosu]

I see a lot of things, thanks for letting me know!

[@skybella2521]

Yeah I’m so glad I never fully swapped to tablet, the main issues I have with mouse are inconsistent surface feel and mouse feet wearing out (until I swapped to ceramic feet). Other than that with time I’ve pretty much completely gotten used to dealing with mouse drift and don’t even notice it anymore.

[@UmCaraNormalnumPlanetanormal]

Yep we on mouse also struggle a lot with similar issues, for me grip slipping is the most prevalent one Also i feel like Osu as a game helps perpetuate many mindset issues that affect the players since even a single miss at the start or middle can make your whole play worthless pp wise, the more we play osu, the more we want to FC a map, the more we dont want to miss and be perfect and i feel like that mindset just isnt healthy y'know

[@mr_cat5141]

4:20 OMFG I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST ME?!

[@ketmax2805]

advantage of going full area is you don't have to remember/document your tablet area.

[@atirta777]

I switched to tablet 2 weeks ago. Idk if I'm lucky or what but on the first day I found the perfect area and just 2 days later the perfect grip. Literally in 1 week I set my top play from 324 to 334pp and have never been so comfortable playing osu!

[@mech_ow]

damn homie got that Dream RNG irl

[@nixum421]

Honestly I lost my grip like 2 years ago and never really found it again. I had a big skill increase at the time so it was really infuriating.

[@Bot3CZ]

funny how i found a tablet area and got used to the tablet in like 20 minutes, now im struggling with grip lmao

[@joshuajabur7829]

forgetting your grip is like forgetting your shot form in basketball

[@shaviorharuki]

I was just having a problem with my grip, what a coincidence.