TONEX PEDAL AND HX STOMP HOW TO INTEGRATE AND USE THEM TOGETHER

[@TexasJackdaw]

I just ordered the Tonex and was wondering how to best incorporate my Helix/StompXL - this was perfect. I found you well spoken, entertaining with pro chops. Had to like and subscribe - and ring the bell. Great content, mate. Cheers from Texas, US - thanks for sharing! 🙏

[@leonbrownmusic]

Thank you my friend. 😀

[@fabianvasquezjr8852]

I have a stomp and a rack was just wondering what I was missing and want to capture my tube amps too. Got one coming from Sweetwater just doing some research, glad I came across this guy!

[@larriveeman]

I figured out with midi a way to be able to change up to128 (if need) separate presets on the tonex, using the HX stomp as the controller, with different effects on each of the HX stomps presets, its great

[@quintinpace2627]

Thanks for taking the time to make this. Very helpful

[@pauliestorm]

Thank you for this video. It's the easiest explanation of how to make this work.

[@MarioTheMusicMan]

Great tutorial, I found it very helpful. I’m also adding a Blackstar Logic MIDI Controller that will control my HX stomp, this will allow me to have a little more control and flexibility within my parameter settings.

[@philf4086]

Great video, and very well explained. Thank you!

[@justingray8693]

This was very helpful and everything worked swimmingly but for some reason it stopped working. I get tone out of of hx stomp and tone out of tonex separately but if I run them together nothing comes out of the channels I have an fx loop on... they are both on midi channel 1. SUPER CONFUSED and a little lost

[@chaos4316]

That was so helpful. I’m gonna give it a crack through my helix floor. Because that’s a dream combination. Those tonex amp captures paired with helix fx is just perfect. Hope I can pull it off. Question: I use the helix floor as the interface as well. I don’t run it into a soundcard. But if I try this with the ToneX, taking it off ‘live’ and onto ‘interface’, it goes from perfect to just awful. I can’t be the only person experiencing this surely…

[@Liam_Doherty_UK]

Excellent. I don’t suppose you can do the same educational video with the Tone X and a Plethora 5?😊

[@leonbrownmusic]

Thank you. I don't have one of them but the principles of midi are the same.

[@billsstudio2528]

I bought two Tonex one pedals. Fun stuff. I like a lot of the captures! However, I played through my HX Stomp today and I was definitely ‘playing’ more…instead of fiddling with tones and amp captures. So I guess I’ll have to wait and see…but using HX Stomp through my Fender FR amp, it is much easier ‘just play’ than Tonex IMO.

[@jackprice7828]

Thank you for such a clear interface description. I have been considering adding the Tonex to my Stomp rig. The question is are the ToneX models or profiles as good or better than the Stomp or a full Helix?

[@leonbrownmusic]

Waaaaay better. But you have to make the effort and search. Got a couple vids with links to nice free ones so feel free to check them out.

[@adamdagosto570]

Great video!

[@theesundancekid]

Do you need the external 2 footswitches and some midi knowledge to get the full 6 button looper working? How do you like this setup vs a stomp xl now that they are out

[@karolkozak64]

This is cool! did you have to mess around with tonex global volume output settings or hx settings in order to properly match the level of signal each unit expects to receive?

[@leonbrownmusic]

No I just use the HX out to set the levels between presets and snapshots

[@karlmclean813]

Hi at which end of the signal path do would i add my ox box ,wah pedal, and volume pedal im kinda stuck 😅love the video

[@leonbrownmusic]

Wah and drives always go first. Vol can go neither end but behaves as a gain in front and a volume after.

[@steve_one]

Thanks for the video, I use my Helix Floor with dual amps in parallel, it sound amazings in stereo with more dynamics when rolling off the guitar volume and tone controls, it's so versatile, I'd like to see if the HX Stomp and Tonex could do this using the S/R path in the HX Stomp. If it can it'll be a smaller footprint on stage. Appreciated any pointers. Thanks Leon.

[@leonbrownmusic]

You need 2 Tonex to run a dual amp setup but tbh if you want slightly different tones left and right just use an amp only capture on the Tonex. Load your ir into stomp and run slightly different IR's left and right. The cab makes far more difference to the tone than the amp.

[@steve_one]

@@leonbrownmusic Ahhh, so it isn't possible to use an HX Stomp amp in parallel with the Tonex amp in the S/R?

[@leonbrownmusic]

@@steve_one It is you just put them on separate paths but you are going to have a capture on Tonex that sounds a lot better than any of the HX models. And remember if you have a different sound on each side only the audience members right in the middle will benefit. Much off centre they will only hear one or the other.

[@steve_one]

@@leonbrownmusic Yes, I know what you mean, but I often use 2 x FRFRs next to each other on bigger stages so the sound isn't separated too much. Smaller bars aren't a problem through the local PA as I can mix them hopefully on the HX S, the same way as I am currntly using the Boss GT-1000 which has the mix setting but I'm curious about the HX S for smaller venues which is why I ask. I suppose centre panning on the house mixer is also an option. I've tried a pilot test with Gig Performer and some Neuaral DSP Plugings and they also sound great with dual amps both in my studio and on a medium sized stage. There's not been too much of a problem with the separation for monitoring purposes because of the mixer settings,

[@molestando]

So with the Tonex One it is not possible, right? because it doesn't have midi ports

[@dylansherman1915]

that's exactly what im thinking. the tone x one is more or less like a basic board type thing im assuming

[@tonydip-mk5dk]

Hi, do you think line6 HX effects is the best solution for tonex? HX stomp seems like a rerun, because both have amp and cab. Thanks for a reply Tony

[@leonbrownmusic]

@@tonydip-mk5dk I think it's a good way to go for sure. But not the only way. Adding the delay and mod block to Tonex means it can handle all the basics. Could even add an h90 if you want some really fancy stuff! With the stomp you always have a backup rig if either one goes down.

[@anthonybags2626]

What if I was running a Tonex One and a Stomp XL into an FRFR speaker that isn't stereo? The last step with coming out of left and right how would that work?

[@leonbrownmusic]

Yea just don't use stereo effects.

[@adamdagosto570]

What do out output the ToneX to? Like what like of speaker are you getting good results from? Powercab? FRFR? PA speaker??

[@leonbrownmusic]

Frfr guitar speakers, in my view, are a waste of money. If you are in a band go direct to FOH. It always sounds better in a mix. To monitor use a floor monitor pointing at your face and away from the audience. Either a wedge or a pa cab on its side. You can have your vocal and other band members in it too. Or use in ears. Nothing messes up FOH sound like stage amps blasting over the top and straight into vocal mics.

[@cr3725]

Hello Leon, thanks for your nice content - very helpful! I exactly hooked up as you said, but when using high gain amps I get hum just when using the combination of the TONEX and the HX Stomp (nothing in the chain except the FX Loop). When I put the TONEX alone into my mixing desk (using the exact same amp) I don't get any noise. Do you have any idea what could cause this problem? Kind regards Chris

[@leonbrownmusic]

Possibly a ground or power source thing. Make sure both units are isolated.

[@cr3725]

@@leonbrownmusic: Thanks a lot for your fast reply. I thought maybe there is something wrong within the global settings of the HX Stomp (return output, instrument or line, etc...). I guess grounding couldn't be the problem, because when I use the TONEX Pedal by its own there are no hum signals...using the HX Stomp alone is also fine. Maybe I will contact IK support...

[@cr3725]

Now I found the problem. You were absolutly right! I just had to disconnect the USB cable from the TONEX Pedal and the hum was gone! Thanks a lot!

[@alejandromiranda6641]

How will I connect my hx stomp, tonex and big sky ?

[@leonbrownmusic]

@@alejandromiranda6641 I would do as described and put the big sky at the end of your chain after the stomp. Midi will work the same. You can send multiple midi messages from snapshots. Daisy chain your midi cables starting at the stomp.

[@paulburton5150]

Nice clear explanation of the set up. Out of interest - are you finding the ToneX amp models significantly better than what you get within HX Stomp itself? Or is it more a case of wanting captures of your own amps? Do you think it effect of the ToneX amps is reduced when playing through an external cab compared to out to a mixing desk?

[@leonbrownmusic]

Tbh the tones I set up are fairly similar with or without the Tonex but I do notice a lot less mush in the mids with a good capture. Feels like a more "fundamental" sound with a good one. Running it back through the loop of the HX stomp I do hear some deterioration in quality but not much. Using it as a preamp to a valve Poweramp and cab should sound great but you are back to the problem of using a mic in the real world and spill past the pa and into open mics. Front of house will sound way cleaner than you are likely to get with an amp on stage. Then you can just use floor monitors or in ears for you.

[@paulburton5150]

@@leonbrownmusic thanks so much for the response. We are fortunate to have so much great gear to play with these days

[@The_resurrected1887]

@@paulburton5150 dead easy!!

[@dariogrijalba]

Could you so the same with the new kemper player?

[@leonbrownmusic]

Absolutely.

[@michaeldees1521]

Do you have to use Snapshot Mode on the HX Stomp for the midi changes to work? I'd like to set it up so that I can create different HX Stomp presets that use Tonex amps but with the IR's I have loaded in my HX Stomp. I have the midi cables and commands set up like you've shown but when I change presets on the HX Stomp, the Tonex always goes to Bank 49. I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.

[@robertzimmerman970]

Same here works initially but after switching a few times it defaults to 49c - did you find a solution?

[@JustinWoo]

quality content, thank you.

[@Rokku16]

Did u notice any noise coming from the hx stomp fx loop? I get some white noise vs running the tonex by itself

[@leonbrownmusic]

Not noise but there is a slight loss of detail when running it through the stomp Vs direct. All the extra analogue to digital and back conversions can't help.

[@redcloud80]

Hi! Can you tell me what's the global latency from input to output using these two setups? 1) gtr -> hx input -> hx send -> tonex in -> tonex out -> hx return -> hx out 2) gtr -> tonex in -> tonex out -> hx in -> hx out Thanks!

[@karolkozak64]

if you do the option number 2 you wont be able to use any of the boost/drive pedals or comps or fuzzes that normally go in front of the amp.

[@Ronnierayv]

Can you tell me a little about that Ibanez?

[@leonbrownmusic]

Sure. Japanese Prestige RG. Through neck, ash body and fishman pickups. (Those were Abassis but I have switched then to classics now) No idea what the model number is!

[@Ronnierayv]

@@leonbrownmusic thank you sir. It’s a beautiful guitar. Great vid by the way! 👍🏼😊

[@TheG7thcapo]

I pair my tonex with my pod go. 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@JoshyyJay]

Tone x and the HX EFFECTS

[@The_resurrected1887]

Shut up

[@iqbalirmawan9941]

I mean what he did with the tone x and the hx stomp can be applied in the same way with the hx effects, right?

[@BkBk-gy6vr]

So the Tonex goes into the Stomps XF loop?

[@leonbrownmusic]

Yep.

[@lhu1961]

I was thinking to do something similar with a Boss GT-100, thoughts?

[@leonbrownmusic]

Should work great. I have been using mine with a GT1000 lately and it rocks!

[@Tiler-ju9zl]

Well I'm glad I Fast faward.what was your video about

[@The_resurrected1887]

Dead easy!! That’s all u need to nawww!

[@Epiwater11]

His videos on connections are made for all audiences

[@derickalbert]

Can I change Amps on tone x and tone x changes snapshot on stomp xl?

[@leonbrownmusic]

No. Tonex only sends program change info so it will change your preset but not a snapshot.

[@JoonKimDMD]

Why does HX stomp need tone X? Does this mean the amp simulator in HX stomp is terrible?

[@leonbrownmusic]

If in doubt download the free Tonex plugin and try some of the captures. You will quickly see the advantages.

[@nomadicrecovery1586]

@@leonbrownmusictonex is hot garbage Cannot find a decent tone in it At least to my ears

[@dylansherman1915]

@@nomadicrecovery1586 use third party it's that's usually what most people do not realize. it can be plug and play but getting the absolute best tones, you will need some third party stuff for sure

[@luhguitar]

hi, i really want to buy the toneX i dont find this information, but can toneX send midi to hx stomp? So i can control the snapshot from ToneX ABC channels switches, or the footcontroller from ToneX

[@leonbrownmusic]

It's midi functionality isn't massive but yes it will send program change to the stomp.

[@luhguitar]

​@@leonbrownmusic Nice, that awesome, thanks mate

[@The_resurrected1887]

@@luhguitar shut up .. ya know why? … it’s dead easy !b

[@VanjaSpirin]

And you didn't tell us what is a snapshot in HX stomp.

[@ogmakefirefiregood]

Stonex.

[@jpeterso1977]

But when you perform with this setup, don’t you sense the identity crisis reflected in the listeners? Or is that what we’re after??

[@The_resurrected1887]

Shuuttt up ya toss a! It’s dead easy!

[@jorgeband1111]

Good video.... bur I guess it's much bette HX Effects for that purpose, HX stomp is not an effects unit is not meant for that....

[@MaxPower-js1sk]

I’m English, but I’ve lived in Australia for many years. Whenever English people say “Routing (Rooting)” I laugh because that word isn’t used in polite company. 😂

[@leonbrownmusic]

😂

[@markjohnson1020]

$400+ for the ToneX. $700+ for the HX Stomp. Pedal board, midi cable etc..$199? You're now in Kemper Stage territory. 😩

[@dylansherman1915]

Kemper is outdated? tones are to harsh and doom Nintendo 64 sounding

[@The_resurrected1887]

Dead easy!!!