The Great Transformation [Part 4] - The

[@Igneshto]

Can we get like 15 more parts??? 😅 All of this is amazing, really gives a great lens to see the world by.... A good antidote to 99% of what's said in the lamestream media.

[@macrumpton]

The best part of these lectures is the vision of the future where life is going to be better. Seems like every other thing I watch is about how the world is going to hell and there doesn't seem to be any will or possibility of it getting better.

[@DanWrench]

Unless you are a livestock farmer... It's going to be a painful transition in many ways

[@PapiBocaChula]

@6:90 yes they went from Cane. To high fructose corn syrup to aspartame. Which is worst for us and our bodies ability to regulate our own sugar in our system. Its reckless and careless of them and the "consumer"

[@digitalbladeca]

Tony Seba, you are a visionary! Please keep treating us with more episodes! Most of us don't get blessed with this insight but we want to stay curious!

[@sarahadams7779]

I live in New Zealand which is a very heavy producer of milk and meat which is exported to the rest of the world. This will send shock waves through the farming communities here. I suspect though that Fontera would deny it is an issue as we produce a high quality, in demand product. I fear this could be the agricultural “Kodak” moment.

[@tasd5673]

Aussie here our governments and media have brainwashed most people to think they are the “source” of what’s happening it’s not true. Prepare your fellow humans

[@-whackd]

I will probably continue eating grass fed ruminants rather than dried lentils mixed with canola oil and dyed with beetroot to look like meat.

[@desmondtiedemann7714]

Kia Kaha Kiwi, Maybe we will get our rivers and streams back when Fontera pivots to Precision Fermentation and we meet our CO2 emission target. Yeah definitely disruptive for New Zealand economy given we are the land of milk and honey.

[@turningpoint4238]

@@-whackd I will still probably enjoy a steak occasionally, but honestly most of the meat I eat will be replaced and be more enjoyable and better for me for it.

[@CyberSQUID9000]

Fonterra have done nothing to mitigate the industry changes. Milk Solids from precision fermentation are already displacing NZ milk. Another 5 years it will be impossible for dairy to compete with industry scale costs.

[@sk.n.9302]

Listened to Tony's previous Precision Fermentation presentation a couple of years ago, thrilled to hear this update! Investors & mainstream media still remain pretty much unaware.

[@paulkoop7042]

There is nothing more profound happening on the planet. Thank you, once again, Mr. Seba!!

[@anandsub1478]

Hope this disruption will end the large scale destruction we carry out towards diff kinds of land and sea life

[@skeptic4031]

This man is a FREAKING GENIUS !! Love his talks, have been his biggest fan since 2016. He has been spot on about EVs, FSD and Solar Energy way way before anyone was even thinking about it.

[@iyla_18]

He seems way behind on this one though. I hope not, but compared to the chart at the end of this talk, current adoption is much lower.

[@guyswiggins]

⁠@@iyla_18agree

[@commandersprocket]

I think it’s important for people to realize that proteins are not just food. The keratin in your hair is the same protein that is found in animal horns. Imagine that we can have low cost 3d printable animal horn, the material not the shape. We could build anything made of wood out of keratin or chitin and 3-D print it. We’re not there yet, in 2019 MIT printed a large sculpture made from chitin. That was extraordinarily laborious, but with a few generations of innovation it will no longer be, this will probably take 5 to 8 years. The big change here is going to be in land usage. Overtime the inputs to these precision fermentation factories will come directly or indirectly from algae ponds which can double in algae volume every day. This will be so much faster than traditional agriculture that it’s almost unthinkable. We are at the cusp of so much radical change that it makes sense for society to be as disrupted as it currently is. The next decade is going to make the last two decades look slow in comparison.

[@liltunafish1471]

What a treat today! Pls keep sending us more parts!

[@richardteychenne3950]

Eye opening as always Tony. Building from your previously published work in so many ways. I am finding traction talking to people about how dramatic disruption will be and having to balance with positive aspects to prevent the 'Luddite shock' effect. There needs to be a positive message to prevent the fudsters promoting a false narrative which destabilises civilisation!

[@Yoorae21]

Thank you Tony Seba!

[@ruialex7745]

Mind-blowing!! Love it! Being a professional in "the current" animal production sector, I am concerned!! But no doubts about @Tony Seba words. It will happen!! Looking for the new opportunities that will bear from such protein transition! Exciting times ahead!!

[@netional5154]

Just did a quick calculation for my country the Netherlands. Total land area is 3,3 million acres of which 25% is being used by the dairy farmers. So I guess in the coming years we have more than enough space to build houses or create extra nature. There is currently a heated debate regarding the nitrogen deposits of the farmers which are damaging biodiversity in nature areas. I never heard precision fermentation being proposed as a solution: apparently it is still under the radar.

[@Fireinthesky67]

I think people from countries having a tradition of producing cheese will stick to milk from cows. In this specific area, milk is not only a question of raw material, but mainly a question of "terroir".

[@netional5154]

@@Fireinthesky67 Many people will go for the cheapest option if it doesn't negatively affect taste (or for a minority: health).

[@benlamprecht6414]

Thanks for yet another excellent video

[@joshuaportinga187]

I’m skeptical of synthetic food disruption. There will be a public backlash where people don’t trust synthetically grown food. I agree with the other disruptions Tony lectures about… but not food.

[@MrDael01]

People also didn't trust smelly and noisy automobiles at first, but as soon as they saw the upsides they wanted one.

[@iblisthemage]

I am in that industry, and you are completely right. One thing is that it is not as healthy as for example meat, or that taste or texture still falls behind. It is that the demand isn’t there, people don’t want it, outside quite narrow circles. Our sales in the traditional industries, like dairy, vastly outgrow our alternate protein business. Our investments in factories for alternate protein where excessive.

[@NickPeitsch]

Which are some publicly-traded PF companies to invest in today?

[@davestagner]

Looking at Remilk’s website right now, they say their process emits 97% less greenhouse gases, uses 1% of the land, 4% of the feedstock (important!), and 10% of the water compared to using cows for dairy. The number that really gets me here is the feedstock. Feeding the cows is the biggest expense in dairy/beef production. This means that Remilk’s process (and equivalent processes) could be FAR cheaper than using cows. Reducing greenhouse gases, land and water use, that’s just bonus. And 4% of the feedstock means 4% of the land use at the feed end, so this could allow us to rewild tremendous amounts of land, improving biodiversity and the world we live in.

[@-whackd]

It won't allow the rewinding of anything. The cows eat corn and soy stalks, stems, cobs, and leaves. They eat recycled products from plant agriculture.

[@TheQsam1]

​@@-whackdwhat? You didn't see the 4% number did you?

[@mahendrashah2881]

A brilliant expose of PF Milk and Diary.....with an amazing potential to contribute to food security....especially infants and children in developing countries...and even significantly reducing methane emissions...time is now to spread this disruptive technology worldwide.....but caution that the price needs to be affordable for the poor, unlike insulin which today is unaffordable, for example some in USA having to travel to Canada to buy "cheaper" their essential insulin.....Thank you Tony Seba 🙏🙏🙏

[@GntlTch]

Unfortunately, the cost of insulin in the US is not based on manufacturing cost but on monopolistic market practices enabled by the FDA.

[@ManiacRacing]

@@GntlTch Now take a look at our current food industry. Greed will ruin this just like everything else.

[@lemongavine]

People in the future will think it’s weird that we used to eat animals

[@-whackd]

Yes, pass me my lentil and canola oil burger that is dyed with beets to look like meat. I approve of our soy future.

[@jazzysamba]

Yes, future humans will think it not only weird that we ate real animals but how horrifically cruel it was.

[@wotireckon]

@@jazzysamba Absolutely!

[@michaelbisceglia9154]

We are primitive

[@TheQsam1]

​@@-whackdYou didn't watch the video?

[@markjones6873]

I think about how the UK countryside is mostly designed by sheep and cows. Farmers are going to have to change what they do. This has massive implications. This disruption needs careful implementation. Massive changes !

[@m_sedziwoj]

While Industrial Revolution did go to factories and destroy machine (and it was in UK), but I don't think they would do same in our century, but I think impact will be similar. But I don't think that where are people which think that having one clothes for whole life is better, than what we have today.

[@IanGarside]

Thank goodness that we have KZbin so we have universal access to this type of high quality content. Years ago this would have been relegated to an Open university tv programme show after midnight on a Tuesday evening watched by a handful of people. I’m heavily invested in this future tech so have a vested interest in its success. I’m also strongly against the animal agriculture industry so it can’t come soon enough for me.

[@MarkLLawrence]

His talks, if you listen, tell you what you should be divesting from now. Also he's been right on what to invest in.

[@OrgChromer]

Lots of implications for food security here. This will be an interesting policy space in the future.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Mind blown every time since 2015

[@teamjg277]

I wish we could tip/leave thanks on your presentations. Keep up the great work

[@KristianBergen]

Please make another indicator protfolio for each part - like you did before!

[@RussellFineArt]

Love your disruption presentations, Tony. Was just talking with a friend about silly, old customs we cling on to, and neck ties are one of the silliest, non-essential pieces of fashion we cling to today. Would be GREAT for all men to stop wearing neck ties, except on rare occasions when they want to, while women ditch high heels and uncomfortable skirts and disrupt fashion. SO looking forward to the day when we stop killing animals for meat and chopping down trees for paper and wood and progress forward with new technologies. Keep up the great work!

[@gazlives]

be careful what you wish for. we have our S curve in health; getting sicker and sicker the more we move away from natural animal foods. modern diseases are virtually non -existent in traditional societies that rely on animal products for most of their needs. do you really believe these new fake foods will give us the perfect/optimal balance of nutrients and mineral our evolved biology requires. they won't because it's about profit not health. we have normalised illness and people rely on the drug industry to mask symptoms without actually curing anything. it's all profit driven. the rich will continue to eat the food that optimises health, i.e. natural food.

[@luismiguelcandanedoibarra5810]

Amazing! Thanks for sharing

[@jhunt5578]

Can't come soon enough animal ag is incredibly destructive to the environment and factory farms and slaughterhouses are grotesque.

[@shepherdsknoll]

In California agriculture consumes 80 % of the state’s water. Human consumption is 20%. The number one water consuming crop is alfalfa that is fed to livestock, primarily cows. Here’s the kicker- agriculture accounts for only 3% of California’s GDP !

[@chrisjones6736]

Some animal agriculture. How does a Bison look in the environment compared to a cow?

[@jhunt5578]

@@chrisjones6736 Bisons are still bovines and are still ruminants. They needs tons of land and water and they release methane a very potent GHG.

[@elijahizere]

Imagine not subtracting green water calculations and not subtracting urination from these consumption calculations Does the water just vanish into another dimension when the cows drink water? This is what these calculations assume

[@shepherdsknoll]

@@elijahizere , it won’t make any difference, big disruption in dairy kzbin.info/www/bejne/nWfKi3uYm7BrjNE

[@suicune2001]

Wow! This gave me hope for the future. Thanks so much for your hard work!

[@karlbloss]

Fascinating! I'm wondering what the raw materials of precision fermentation are? You can't make something from nothing, so what are you feeding those microorganisms as their building blocks? Sugar? From what source?

[@babyblair2010]

Thank you for this observation. That’s been one of my main concerns with Tony Sheba’s presentations. He never mention raw materials. He presentations on solar, EV and batteries never mention raw materials.

[@m_sedziwoj]

@@babyblair2010 and because this, he was wrong 10 years ago? It is same as saying that batteries will not be recycle because we don't do it today.... yeah, today. Same with materials for solar or batteries (EV don't have any special over ICEV) they change with time, as sodium batteries are not using cobalt or lithium, so looking at today materials is not best method. And as @Galven mention they are same what we feed today, and they are not problem, because what we change is only how efficient is converting from one state to another, not what is source. As batteries can be at most completely recycled, same with water (Singapur is doing it already, or on space station), so why not food. Because most what is need for life is energy, and specific elements are only needed to do conversion.

[@saravanashanmukham6108]

This is so awesome and eye-opening! Thanks!

[@ZotThithmaKarin]

Thanks to you Tony, i invested in Tesla and now I'm a millionaire

[@walterrudich2175]

😂soon your Tesla stock will be worth nothing

[@beehappy7797]

@@walterrudich2175 Today, Tesla can drive you home from the pub while you sleep. When it becomes legal, the stock will explode. Eruption has occurred.

[@MarkGast]

Cool, I in the future I can have a spider meat sandwich and a lemur milk shake. The future is gonna be weird.

[@AkweliParker]

More Tony?! HELL YEAH!!!

[@billthebuilder1579]

Excited for the future. I am participating in this future with my 2021 Tesla Model Y. Looking forward to the costs dropping and longer range so that EV transition accelerates. I won't miss dairy farms either. Nothing nostalgic doubt animal husbandry.

[@BoyanDobrev]

Fantastic video as always Tony, thank you!!! One question: when will the incredibly outdated and impractical imperial system be disrupted by the far superior metric system? 🙂 maybe you can lead the way with future videos and no longer use lbs!

[@riley_oneill]

The imperial system has survived the metric system, it will never die! Long live degrees Fahrenheit!

[@tonyseba]

NB: I use both, kilos and pounds.

[@gazlives]

as long as USA survives the imperial system will remain.

[@MartinKaufmann007]

No more acres please. We have square meters.

[@Sander-zj3wi]

There are two types of countries. Those who use the metric system and one that landed on the moon using the metric system.😂

[@daniel_960_]

6:30 probably one of the worst things that happened to Americans health

[@MarcoTrillion]

Awesome! 🙂✌️

[@bobwallace9753]

Disruption of meat and dairy probably means something good for climate change. Huge amounts of land now used for grazing and cattle feed will be allowed to return to forest and prairie grass which will capture and sequester carbon. Plus all the carbon not pumped out by the process of growing and turning animals into food/milk.

[@netional5154]

And methane as well.

[@gw7388]

Plenty of food for thought, apologies.

[@cardp17]

amrs is at the center of this drive. well worth looking into the company. would love tony's take on their programs.

[@cleanthinking]

Can't wait!

[@brucec954]

Interesting topic you don't hear about much. One thing to be careful of though is many biological processes are a lot more complex than they appear. Babies have been fed a simple formula for a long time, but it turns out that mother's milk has antibiotics that help the babies' immune system that formula doesn't have as one example.

[@m_sedziwoj]

So we learn more thanks to this. But I don't think that most people eat burgers because they are good for your health ;)

[@snorelion]

감사합니다❤

[@yahalomu27]

Very interesting topic. Specially with the food crisis because the war. Can something change dramatacally quickly?

[@incognitotorpedo42]

Technology can't change fast enough for current hunger problems. That requires a political change.

[@bobwallace9753]

@@incognitotorpedo42 Don't agree. Food shortages are currently due to distribution problems. If we produce meat, milk, and other products close to markets, where people are, then distribution problems decrease. Meat and milk via a fermentation process along with close to market vertical farming for produce could produce vast amounts of food where it is needed. Remote rural areas largely need to be taught how to capture rainwater to recharge aquifers and grow a mix of crops that feed them year round. They need help to move off the famine and feast cycle of monocrops.

[@sonnymoon6465]

I could not help but laugh at what good news this is !!!!!!!! "The number of potential proteins available for use in food as software through precision fermentation is more than the number of atoms in the universe ! It's infinite ! I did the numbers !" hahahaha wowwwwwwwww !!!!!!!!!!!! Someday very soon, all people will realize what kind of world we can have... TODAY !!!!!!!!! Again, thank you Tony !

[@Deveonn]

Suger isn’t just measured on sweetness, the tasting experience is way more complex in duration of sweetness. That’s why none of the artificial sweeteners has been able to reproduce it exactly, while they are much sweeter.

[@Deveonn]

@@yomanyo327 after 40 years.. yes.

[@matthewhancock7865]

I hope there will be a homebrew market for hobbyists. I'd like to get a hold of some of that cow yeast and make me a five gallon bucket of steak.

[@matthewhancock7865]

@@yomanyo327 lions and tigers and bears, oh my!

[@cahaerri]

This presentation was very, very interesting. So the whole dairy chain it's about to collapse... Being a Swiss, this concerns me a lot 🧀🧀Thank you. PS: Do you plan on presenting the disruption about home construction as well ?

[@gzcwnk]

and here in NZ, but its too impactful to keep doing as is.

[@projekt5219]

If I'm not mistaken, one of the founders of Air B&B is now on the board of Tesla. Tesla may take over housing also. And with the new Twitter and payment through there... SpaceX and being able to be across the planet within 30 minutes.... real estate prices dropping due to parking lots being torn up because nobody owns a car. This is the great reset. It's cheaper to own nothing and roam the planet as a nomad. Pay maybe $500USD/yr for transport... $500/yr for housing... $500/yr for internet access... $500/yr for food. The real question is ... when does the cost of high quality education drop and we start pumping out engineers as fast as Tesla is pumping out batteries? Actually, I think AI will take that over. Edit: Didn't even consider the drop in land prices due to lack of farming and animal ag collapsing, along with parking lots being torn up. I think we'll have to let most of it regreen/permaculture and the rest go to housing.

[@markedwards4879]

@@projekt5219 just the materials and labour cost in housing make $500 per year a pipe dream. Housing is expensive where people want to live, and most people actually want to live where there are facilities, entertainment, healthcare etc. Thats why cities are generally more expensive- more demand. Yes, prices drop as people can do a lot of work somewhere else- but don’t underestimate how many people like living in cities.

[@AlphaCrucis]

@@markedwards4879 I have some thoughts. What if the cost of labor also crashes due to technologies such as robots, and then (in concordance with abundance of energy) new "cities" could spring up. Of course, high demand land such as coastlines could/would still be expensive, but it seems at least conceivable that those prices could happen elsewhere.

[@markedwards4879]

@@AlphaCrucis unlikely. Have a look at how much a simple house costs even in countries with very cheap labour etc. I agree that things will get cheaper - especially with robots in the workforce - but a cost of $500pa would mean that the actual cost of house, land, utilities and everything else is under $20k, and that someone would make it available for rental for pretty well zero return.

[@yahalomu27]

Disrupting the cow!🐄

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Time to moooove over? . I'll get my coat

[@4literv6]

@@rogerstarkey5390 that joke was udderly necessary, off the hoof and will age like good leather. Yes I milked that for all it was worth. 😀

[@yokemonkey]

Money Money Money Money Money Money 😂

[@fuzzymonkey777]

The closest lab grown milk to me is 20 miles away. Bored Cow milk at Target. I'm willing to speed up the revolution but it needs to be less than 10 miles away.

[@orangecoloredglasses6941]

Do you know what substances will be fermented?

[@nodivisions]

Guess what happens when you have no more cows? You have no more soil. Thus no more real food, period. People who want this frankenfood won't care about that. But the contingent of people who want to eat real food is large enough that we can hopefully avoid the catastrophe that is brewing here.

[@jeremysunflo5540]

So what is the source matter that ends up as food? In other words what is the input that creates the output. Is this still agriculturally grown crops that use gmo microorganisms to convert to customized proteins?

[@SportPlusDad]

Exactly. In other words, setting meat and dairy “industries” aside, what happens to farms and farmers? Is farmland just repurposed to crops that feed the new industries or are they getting disrupted too?

[@-whackd]

Well, The Impossible Burger is made out of dried lentils and and industrially processed seed oils (canola). We do monocrop farming with these inputs and spray them with a lot of round up which destroys the soil. So maybe we will need more of these monocrop GMO grain and seed growers to make our fake meats.

[@jankonietzko]

Lots of land freed up for other purposes, for example reforestation which could provide a sustainable and abundant (cheap) source of wood ans a carbon stock for housing, and have massive co-benefits for fresh air, water cycles and others.

[@SuperMassman]

I love this series ❤

[@seth.heerschap]

I disagree, there's other forces at play that you aren't taking into account. The first generation of these fake meats are incredibly unhealthy compared to meat. The proteins aren't high quality protein, the fats are inflammatory omega-6 fats and there are far less nutrients as compared with meat. The development of ultra-processed foods is causing a health crisis. Ever since the first developments of synthetic fats and the removal of nutrients in our foods the world is receiving far more chronic diseases such as heart disease and arthritis. Obesity is at such bad levels that it is now completely normalized. It's the reason the life expectancy in the USA, Mexico has been declining for the past 10-15 years despite us consuming far less sugar and exercising more. Unless we can synthesize molecules that are identical to that in highly nutritious foods, I think this will take far longer than you think.

[@m_sedziwoj]

I would not write how we can make it better, use own brain, not only look for problems. I would say that your arguments didn't stop use too much sugar, alkohole and cigarettes, and many more not healthy stuff, so why you think it would stop this?

[@maryhadda8420]

FWIW, I tried that Impossible meat. Once. I thought it was yucky. Definitely had some meaty taste, but it was still yucky. It's going nowhere unless/until it improves. Growing animal muscle cells in a dish might work better.

[@atanacioluna292]

I also lost about 12 thousand dollars in buying one of the vegy-meat stocks. I forgot which and don't like to think about it.

[@andymcgregor3924]

I still don’t understand what is put into the precision fermentation process by way of “feed stock” to make the proteins for milk. Can someone tell me please?

[@gigglehertz]

Watched this and immediately bought his book on the subject

[@ShahryarSaigol]

This means countries like Pakistan which import 90% of their edible oil can switch to PF Ghee and pay off their entire foreign debt from the savings.

[@guyswiggins]

Amyris was one of the first companies in the PF space and recently built one of the largest fermentation farms in the world in Brazil. It went broke and is in bankruptcy right now. This is in spite of hundreds of millions in investment from John Doerr. It takes years to build these plants as I know from owning Amyris. Gingko is also another company in that space and is a penny stock. I think this revolution is coming but I see it taking much longer than he models unless the US government provides IRA like incentives. It’s a chicken and egg problem and we need years to build out the plants.

[@maxcarter970]

The technology is very interesting, but a large percentage of the population will stick to the real thing for the same reasons we avoid sugar, artifical sweeteners and processsed foods in general.

[@TheQsam1]

What is large? You think most don't eat processed food?

[@walterrudich2175]

At least I don’t

[@katherandefy]

I hope someone is already inventing and perfecting food replicators for work, home, wherever. Food at the right temperature, texture and form in a short order. Because cooking is not only somewhat dangerous (like my coworker who went home to find her house burned down), but also unhealthy and expensive.

[@mfpears]

What about the healthy bacteria we get from some of these foods? Maybe mixing it with the real stuff can help with that

[@mfpears]

@@markplott4820 nice reply. Find a comment it's relevant to

[@atanacioluna292]

We stopped drinking Coke and other soft drinks, which we only buy if they are not fructose-based. Hopefully, fermented proteins will not be unhealthy, either.

[@KJSvitko]

Sure seems like Health Insurance Companies and Medicare would be receptive to a Whole Food Plant Based vegan message. It would save them money on health care costs. This could off set the lobbying by food manufacturers. Maybe educating health Insurance Companies and Medicare administrators should be a priority.

[@markedwards4879]

It will be interesting to see what happens to the population of agricultural animals. Unlike horses, where people keep them for pets and riding or sport, not many people will want to manage the cost and work involved with keeping something like a dairy cow. Do we end up preserving them in special zoos or do they go endangered?

[@glennmartin6492]

There are already farms that raise heritage breeds of animals. I imagine that will expand.

[@-whackd]

People who want to eat some beef rather than dried lentils mixed with industrially processed canola oil will make sure there is a market for them.

[@markedwards4879]

@@-whackd I suggest that you re-watch the video and look at what is happening on a wider scale. We will be growing meat without the animal, a fraction of the cost and indistinguishable from other meat. The market for “real” meat will decline dramatically, which means less volume, which means higher overheads and costs, more expensive and even less demand. I like my rib-eye on the bone more than most, but can see the writing on the wall.

[@gazlives]

@@markedwards4879 the marketing you have been fooled by says they will be 'indistinguishable' from real meat. in reality they are nowhere near being able to reproduce meat in a lab that replicates a grass fed cow. not even close. we evolved eating fatty meat, our biology is optimised eating this way. the modern narratives of saturated fat etc is bad has led to the greatest S curve of disease in human history. in traditional societies these diseases are virtually non existent, but we have normalised them. it's all about profit so yes dairy will be disrupted but it will continue as before, i.e. at the expense of our health. making the health industry more profit.

[@markedwards4879]

@@gazlives let’s talk again in 10 years

[@TheDoughGetta]

When they start making PF Wagu Ribeye steak I am 100% in

[@markgrotto7852]

How do we know if it’s safe???

[@tyronemcgillick]

SMR will be onto this

[@mfpears]

How will this impact space travel?

[@tonyseba]

#PrecisionFermentation is a no-brainer for Space. Not just for food. PF can be used to make materials, medicine, vitamins, cosmetics, etc. And not just proteins, but almost any organic molecule in nature. As long as you have a source of water, energy, nitrogen and carbs, you could make hundreds (eventually millions) of products onsite.

[@michaelbisceglia9154]

What about the nutritional value if any?

[@beehappy7797]

Fruit and vegetables will still exist.

[@Krasbin]

I think it is a fascinating technology, and of great potential value. But I think we have to be cautious, as with any new technology. With great power comes great responsibility. Consider all the micronutrients and other things that could be beneficial to us, inside the naturally produced foods? For example, if you only take the protein in milk as relevant, you lose out on the health effects (both benefits and costs) of the other nutrients in natural milk.

[@turningpoint4238]

It will be possible to make far more healthy food this way controlling everything thats in it. Naturally produced foods are very irregular. As for milk some of us are partly evolved to digest it, I can't drink raw milk now. Then theres quite a bit of milk thats not really great to drink such as blood serum, antibodies and such.

[@heinuchung8680]

Why can’t we watch the entire thing?

[@LewdCustomer]

This disruption will not take place and should not. Getting rid of heritage foods is unhealthy and thus stupid.

[@AlphaCrucis]

Will this also leapfrog over hydroponic farms?

[@-whackd]

Tony Seba was wrong. He said there would be a beef product with price parity in 2024. There is not one beef product on the market. I would love for anyone to link me to a precision fermentation company making beef protein and let me know their costs.

[@beehappy7797]

According to the media, the crisis in meat and milk production has already started.

[@enerjohnsavior3227]

Great! There are a lot of things we need to fix by 2035. Like phytoplankton; the main source of oxygen in Earth's atmosphere...

[@lolavanderkip6249]

Can anyone explain this shortly?

[@coguglielmi]

Great if we can design the proteins we need as the proportion of amino acids differs vastly from quality proteins (in eggs) Vs poor ones (in veggies, which have a low (≤17%) efficiency i.e. proportion of essential amino acids that enter into the building of human cells), i.e. proteins adapted to human DNA. Our guts get renewed 100% every 3 days so we do need quality proteins!

[@peterdollins3610]

I don't see PF milk or cheese or meat in my Coop nor my not too far away Waitrose. It needs a bit of speed.

[@michaels6331]

Eliminate dairy farms is the right move, however this will need to be done with cost efficient meat production. When a dairy cow is past its prime in milk production that animal is sold to discount meat producers. McDonald's, taco bell, dog food, and every other second grade meat products will go up in price, without the cheap dairy meat.

[@ImHewg]

Yes! All the different food possiblities will be so interesting to see develop. However, how healthy will this new PF food be? Testosterone and sperm counts are greatly dropping in Western society, a 50% reduction in the last few decades, due to micro plastics. How will these artifically generated protiens effect the human body? What type of side effects will come from this?

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

From a data point, you make a huge jump to a cause. And before we look at causes, we need to confirm the validity of that data which was first reported in Finland - and subsequently found to be inaccurate. Of course, the cause of the solution was Nokia mobile phones. Have a Frunky day!

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

From a data point, you make a huge jump to a cause. And before we look at causes, we need to confirm the validity of that data which was first reported in Finland - and subsequently found to be inaccurate. Of course, the cause of the solution was Nokia mobile phones. Have a Frunky day!

[@Dykaer]

That, was intense

[@Withnail1969]

As far as I heard insulin for diabetics is still produced from animals, not precision fermentation.

[@theflexitariantimes8140]

Great point at the end of this: You WILL still be able to have an artisan Kobe ribeye steak in 2035. Just like you can still ride a horse. A basic necessity turned into an extravagant indulgence/hobby.

[@iblisthemage]

Look at that, it was not Novo who invented recombinant Insulin…

[@123sonner]

will we be able to get bananas ever again? artifical bananas? hope so

[@bambelbino]

I want to invest in Remilk 🙃

[@c.bro.572]

Can't say I'm particularly excited about this one.

[@AnotherVoiceless]

That makes one of us

[@incognitotorpedo42]

You just don't know how huge this is.

[@jhunt5578]

Creates food security, conserves the environment, saves money, ends the factory farming of billions of animals, ends the slaughter of trillions of animals. Yet you don't see the value???

[@c.bro.572]

@Jh5578 I didn't say I can't see the value, i understandthe economics of it. I'm just not excited about it. I like good, fresh, natural foods, including meat and dairy. The idea of these industries being forced into extinction and thereby these man made food substitutes being forced upon me and my family, doesn't sound like a thing I'm looking forward to. I am excited about the energy and transportation disruptions though.

[@jhunt5578]

@@c.bro.572 I think a lot of people worry about new foods. So I understand where you are coming from. When the potato first arrived to Europe people were skeptical of them and thought they were poisonous, Scandinavians called them "devils fruit", the French even banned its consumption. Potatoes were only widely consumed because famines forced people to eat them. I imagine similar FUD will occur with PF foods. You wrote "I like good, fresh, natural foods" 🤔 I don't know what you are categorising as a "good" food, since you see the value in preciousness fermented (PF) foods. Meat and dairy can and do cause food poisoning sometimes from fecal contamination during the slaughter process. Most meat has at least some fecal matter in it. Children have died from contaminated meat even in developed countries. Also bird flu, swine flu, antibiotic resistant bacteria, these diseases occur directly because of / in part due to animal ag. These issues don't occur in PF foods. Store bought meat is hung for weeks and can be sold even a month after slaughter so unless you eat wild game or fish what you think is fresh isn't actually fresh. Natural foods. Firstly something being natural doesn't mean that it's good or bad, poisonous frogs are natural, poisonous berries also, clearly it wouldn't be a good idea to eat them despite them being natural. Tbf anything that exists is *natural* phones and PF foods don't break the laws of nature. When most people say natural they mean non-human made things. So bread isn't natural or any minimally processed food or drink like coffee or chocolate, them being unnatural doesn't make them bad. Secondly if you eat farmed animals they are far from being natural. Farm animals have been selectively bred for thousands of years, they don't exist in the wild. Egg layer hens lay 300+ eggs a year wheras their wild counterpart will only naturally lay 12 - 15. Broiler chickens bred for meat reach slaughter weight after just *6 weeks* their natural counterpart takes 1.5 years and would still be smaller than a broiler. Dairy cows have udders 4x larger than they naturally would. Turkeys are so large they cannot naturally breed. Hell essentially all modern farm animals don't naturally breed they are artificially inseminated, the male mammals are casterated to control breeding, agression and aid quicker growth. The meat from a cow compared to wildebeest for example; the cow unnaturally has way more saturated and trans fats, whereas the wildebeest has more protein, polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats. Modern farm animals are mostly raised on factory farms eating foods unnatural to them which aid their growth, eating GM grains and soy, all of them being fed antibiotics. These animals often live indoors. It's far from being natural.

[@Joe-ez6xs]

Do a video on the Tesla bot 👍🏼

[@Midori_Hoshi]

This is what we desperately need to combat climate change! Having children is by far the biggest negative contributor to climate change, but the second biggest is animal agriculture. Even if your average moron continues to be ignorant on climate change, they will eventually switch to animal-free products simply because they will be cheaper. Their many children will also make the switch.

[@fjalics]

What about precision fat? Butter, olive oil, avacado oil. Bacon.

[@jmatt98]

Yay more high fructose corn syrup products

[@Celestialrob]

As a vegan it amazes me that people still kill animals and eat their flesh. This is a wonderful future. Optimistic.

[@angelguzman5512]

Grow a pair old man

[@Celestialrob]

@@angelguzman5512 thanks for your insightful and deeply analytical comment.

[@HepCatJack]

Shouldn't they be replicating human milk instead ?