Too Big to Offroad? || Ram Power Wagon

[@jamesngotts]

2019 Power Wagon owner. 37x12.5 Cooper STT PROs on AEV 17s. Stock suspension, minor trimming, rock sliders and belly armor. Where I live there is a 400ish foot steep and rutted out climb. I’ve been told it’s a 40-45 degree climb. I have seen Tacos, 4Runners, Rubys on 35s and most recently a Branco badlands struggle with it. I’ve probably done it 20+ times in my Power Wagon with open diffs. It is not a truck for mild to moderate off roading, it is a purpose built 4x4 designed to take on whatever a jeep can if you aren’t worried about pin stripes.

[@yankone1967]

Agree, I'd add tight turns to that...Jeeps will go where a full size can't...I'm thinking if building a jeep to trailer behind my PW...

[@trevorthomas5552]

Seriously, I have pulled out many built(over GVM) midsize trucks and mildly built Jeeps from obstacles that my stock PW on 35's almost idled through. Unless you are worried about pinstriping the PW goes 99% of the places any midsize or jeep will go and will do it with ease due to the larger engine and heavy duty running gear. For reference my local trails are WV, VA and PA. ALL our trails are tight. The only time the size is a problem is when there is a group of 20 Jeeple who are too timid to drive a foot into the brush to pass me. Then its time to heckle and ask them directions to the mall or grocery store.

[@jamesngotts]

@@yankone1967 rock sliders deal with tight turns. I pivot on mine as needed. I have yet to find a trail a jeep does which my Power Wagon hasnt

[@FloridaDave-i6j]

@@trevorthomas5552 HAHAHAHA , bro i love it , ask them for directions to the mall or the grocery store , I will have to remember that one for sure!!!

[@yankone1967]

@@jamesngotts I'd really like some White Knuckle Sliders....The factory rock rail isn't strong enough, though I hear they're ok....I don't care about pinstripes, there is plenty of sagebrush here..lol

[@hiseminencetheholymacdiarmada]

2022 Power Wagon, stock, rides WAY smoother than my old ‘17 2500SLT. The SLT was also stock except for a mild lift and 35s. And since I’ve put on some AEV Katlas and Nitto 37s, this Power Wagon rides like a caddy!

[@ShockSurplus]

it gets even better with some Fox 2.0 or carli suspension

[@Sleepy2212]

They picked the right guy to promote the truck because I'm gonna be saying power waygon all day

[@TrailBuilt]

You're welcome...

[@joeyoung3319]

"..doooncha knooow."

[@bigseff23]

People from Wisconsin can't say "ag" together lol ask them to say bag lol

[@SeguroOffroad]

Boy do I have content for you!

[@stout_tossme7541]

Lol. Right. Dude is awesome and the accent...🤘🤘

[@Jessezzmmm]

I have a 2020 🫒 PW and have been wheeling it/daily driving it with great pleasure.

[@chrishenry5945]

Love my Power Wagon, I use it primarily as a hunting rig. It is perfect for what I do, smaller trucks don’t have the carrying capacity I need. I try to steering clear of mud if I can but sometimes you got to go where you got to go. Always plan ahead for extraction, air down etc.

[@ShockSurplus]

The Power Wagon is a beast, our new favorite vehicle, ours is sitting on King 3.0s now

[@TrailBuilt]

Absolutely love ripping around in the Power Wagon! Is your truck updated with the 3.0s on your channel?

[@frankhopkins7032]

That is definitely an amazing PW! I can say I've never had a problem with my lockers not engaging on my 2016 thougb! Well done gents as always!!

[@robertwilkinson2293]

My 1972 W200 Power wagon dominates off road. 5.9 magnum, lockers and 285-75-16 KO2's and off road traction bars. It comes in right about 10,000 lbs with the flatbed. It does ride like a lumber wagon though due to the Timbren's front and rear which can come off if needed for articulation.

[@PapaJoe224]

Stay out of lake mud areas and such, soft ground fields soaking wet, and the PW is good to go. It's awesome out here in the Mountain West/Desert West areas!

[@stewescapes9514]

I was up at High Rock Pointe that week and I didn’t even know about the event. I had to split Friday morning but it was cool to see all the nice rigs pass me on the way back down to Detroit. My Tacoma did great up in the trails up there, so beautiful it’s crazy.

[@TrailBuilt]

Oh dang! Next time hopefully we see you

[@baloghlcb]

Just had my F250 Powerstroke out in Moab. I enjoy the challenge of wheeling a fullsize. Although the rear tire hanging out over the edge on Hurah Pass in some tight turns definitely got the heart pumping. And with the weight of the diesel, it sometimes helps with traction and with keeping the front end planted. I've had it in the dunes and on the beach and actually did real well, even when recovering a broken Jeep and helping a Humvee haul out a broken Ram in the dunes at Silver Lake. I do try to avoid mud as much as possible though haha.

[@TrailBuilt]

The more weight can be beneficial in some situations - not for us in this case though!

[@freedomoff-road5938]

Just hit Rose Garden Hill in PW. Such a challenge with the size of the truck. Very impressed with our Dodge 😎

[@yankone1967]

Power Wagons are Monsters! 76 years of history, and still going...Very capable..I'd be running 17s with 37s on it though to take advantage of a full airdown and better ride than 20s.... I've got a 22 model ordered, and other goodies waiting for it..

[@squid0013]

I just got my second, a 22, nice upgrade from the 19. Get some maple rock sliders for it and you will be very protected

[@mammothwagon]

Me too! Did you get it delivered yet?

[@steveg1854]

The exhaust pipes and side steps don't really make sense for an offroad truck

[@wirebrush]

The oversized wheels don't make any sense either. Obviously built for looks over function.

[@mammothwagon]

Correct. They reviewed an over-built mall crawler.

[@harrywalker5836]

@@mammothwagon bs, you a dk.. i have a s/duty, single cab. 3'' lift, 35,s. goes same places,sometimes better , than 80,100, 79 series toyotas. we have a registered 4x4 club,with trainers. in aus.. my bronco, ran rings round a stuk toyota. yes, its big, but, everybody is surprised what & where it goes. std, no lockers.yet. just front, detroit i think..ill get. its the nut behind the wheel, not the vehicle..

[@robertgoodrich8953]

I noticed that too. The tailpipe is no big deal, but those nerf steps would be a problem with the rocky desert in west AZ. Otherwise, a nice vehicle. The bigger vehicles are better at pulling a medium size off-road trailer. Carrying 4 people to a very comfortable campsite is not for a six cylinder. The 6.4 Ram can haul 10,000 lbs. Watch ROAMER videos where they pull Roamer1’s all through Moab in bad weather. In addition On-X legends trails for big vehicles, so it’s easy to choose the correct line in a bigger rig.

[@saggon2001]

So here’s my question, did you guys attempt to put a wrangler or gladiator through that same mud hole? If so, how did they do? I likes me some power wagon.

[@69Dartman]

My first car was a 42 Ford GPW Jeep because I always wanted one, then my second car was a 41 1/2 ton closed cab weapons carrier with a pto winch because I loved those beasts too. The Jeep could go anywhere, the Power Wagon was less nimble but could drive over or through anything, and the winch could take care of it when it got sunk as long as there was something big to winch to. Once I buried it down to the axles in the back yard so I figured no big deal, it's running, plenty of trees around I have a Braden pto winch... I grabbed a smallish pine tree very close by and started pulling, truck started to move and suddenly the whole tree, rootball and all popped up out of the ground and almost fell on the truck. I found a BIG tree farther away and yanked the truck out, lesson learned. Wish I had both rigs now.

[@freedomoff-road5938]

Been off-roading in a Jeep, we just started in Power Wagon. I am extremely impressed with the Dodge.

[@squid0013]

The power wagon doesn't need any of those upgrades aside from the 35 inch tires to do anything you want. Throw on some rock sliders for protection and you are good

[@vincentorona163]

I’m getting a power wagon soon and hopefully adding off-road upgrades in the future

[@harrywalker5836]

your best is ditch the style side, build buy a tray. more room, less damage. canvase or tin canopy.. less overhang. 37,s with bead locks. you need to go down to 10 psi. i do, without b/locks.dont turn quik though..roll bead off.

[@FreysOnTheSide]

Love it! Really glad y’all got out.

[@Radagast49230]

given that I offroad and mud with a lifted Excursion on 38s I will say that while some places are too tight for a large rig they have their advantages in sheer mass, clearance, and power.

[@jordansvc]

The Stamp Sands in Gay, Michigan have swallowed quite a few vehicles like that thinking they can cross through those water holes. I went to MTU up there and the Gay Sands used to be a monthly trip with our ORVs. You are lucky you didn't get stuck any worse. Love the truck though. Absolute beast but the trails in the UP are not like the ones out west to make a good comparison.

[@TrailBuilt]

We learned that for sure!

[@blueduster74]

A hole like that sucks in anything with less than 40” TSLs. Lived in NV and CA for years, people used to get stuck like that in the dry lake beds a week after a storm all the time. Looks dry, you break through and you’re in gumbo. Didn’t matter what the vehicle was unless it had 40+ serious mud tires. And then you needed serious grunt to spin them or they turn into donuts.

[@lunamaria1048]

My dad has a Power Wagon that absolutely dominates the mountains here in British Columbia!... That solid front axle has that thing articulating like a sick Giraffe's neck!... It is pretty big, but can handle anything that isn't tight trails

[@todd6888]

Honestly overlanding vehicles in general are not mudding vehicles. It doesn't matter the size. Its the experienced and common sensed that can navigate these obstacles or just know ahead of time that their rig isn't capable for that. You should do a video on the different types of overlanders haha. For most overlanders its not about how much they can test their rig and break stuff.

[@khwiry]

I got stock for 8 hours last week in my ram power wagon and many cars also now im cleaning all mud underneath it till now

[@extspence]

Love mine, mud and sand are the enemy. Most trails are ok. Front camera is a must, hard to see over the hood going over big inclines.

[@wirebrush]

Just bolt on a set of 37s and air them down. I've driven in seriously deep snow with mine with no problem. I was just at Sand Hollow last week driving around in 2wd. Stock tire size is the Power Wagons weak point along with the ridiculous factory recommended tire pressure.

[@extspence]

@@wirebrush I have 35s on mine. Main thing I have had to watch is large washes in the desert. Just make sure they are dry or reasonably dry. You're right about the tires. No idea why they picked 33s.

[@Dexter_Solid]

@@wirebrush well the book does say 30psi for rocks and 15psi for sand and mud. Onroad 65psi is pretty typical for an 8500lbs gvw truck.

[@wirebrush]

@@Dexter_Solid Exactly. But when you consider that the Power Wagon has a fraction of the payload capacity of those typical trucks, the high pressure dosen't make sense. Those on road pressures are determined by gross vehicle weight which a Power Wagon will never reach that of a standard 250O safely without modifications. You also have to consider the Power has larger than typical sized tires which require less pressure to support the same weight. RAM just got lazy and didn't want to change the software to reflect the lower payload and larger tires.

[@BenWebster84]

Just wish they had a Cummins option for the Power Waygon

[@TrailBuilt]

That would be perfect!

[@justinvandal9696]

To front heavy for Off-road then. Back end would spin easy . Weight Balance is best. 6.4 has lots of power

[@terrytuepah171]

I have a 2021 power wagon thanks for the tips.

[@G-MON3Y]

Let’s go Michigan!!!

[@joeyoung3319]

Wait... That LITTLE MOUND is your "STEEP ROCK FACE"..? Take your rig to Moab if you want "steep". 😉👍

[@SeguroOffroad]

Shout out to Full Size Invasion 🙌

[@troycharland3298]

What tire pressure was nick using ? I go around in my 2500HD sierra 24psi in the front and 18psi in the back and havnt sunk down that bad.. 🤞🙏...yet... lol

[@rsd3273]

Maybe run 17s you know some beadlocks not some pretty boy rims where you can air down…. I run 40s on 17s on my 2020 power wagon. Also if that’s a kinetic strap that has no flex. For tires for overlanding it’s just two brands general grabber x3 or BF MT only two that I would put my name behind. I get everyone has their preferences but it does come down to the driver but yeah that mud didn’t look like any rig would get too far. I’ve found out over my rock crawler 2018 rubicon build I struggle in mud over my power wagon. I find weight helps in mud but not sand now when it comes to getting stuck no matter what recovering a light vehicle over a big rig is always easier. Cool video though glad to see other PW owners pushing their trucks👍🏽

[@ldv5831]

Very honest review, I’m envious of my a couple of my buddies that have f150 and Ram,s but recovery is also an issue if you trying to pull them out with smaller rigs. But man, I do love the space and sheer presence on and off road

[@shawnriddle3018]

my power wagon is awesome for pulling jeeps from mud, sand and winching smaller lighter vehicles.

[@zb6618]

-Off road rig -20s Pick one haha

[@501huntinandfishng4]

Do both, my chevys fine

[@bigadielldne7234]

does the 1500 ride smooth as the 2500 power wagon On the trail or Rocks? At speed?😮power wagon is a beast

[@philllipyelle6593]

I live in the UP and have a 68 w300 power wagon! Let’s do a new vs old video🤣

[@TrailBuilt]

Great idea!!

[@robertgoodrich8953]

This video is the first mud that a PowerWagon can't handle. Guess we'll need tracks instead of tires! Fortunately we live in the desert!

[@smoothboyhobbies]

Love the video, wish this fella could pronounce the word Wagon though. This "Power Waygen" is a really nice build.

[@TrailBuilt]

That good ole Wisconsin accent I swear 😂

[@DependableAutoTruck]

great honest review thanks

[@mattw.7197]

5 years to pay off the rubi.... then... o yes... she will be mine🤣 love this truck.

[@streetstomper]

I loved my power wagon as you seen on my channel but I too came to the realization that it is just far too big for what I wanted

[@Joes-Adventures71]

There is usually a jeep near by to yank you off your high center. OIIIIIIIO 😁

[@mckinneyguy]

The Power Wagon didn't get stuck. It simply refused to go to gay beach.

[@freedomoff-road5938]

Agreed

[@bruiser0159]

I have no intention on Mudding…🤷🏻‍♂️👎🏼 I’ve seen plenty of people in PW’s tearing up rough terrain..🤷🏻‍♂️

[@xLopez210x]

Power Waygon? 😂👍

[@stewescapes9514]

Don’t cha know?

[@TrailBuilt]

You betcha

[@obliviousthunder]

That looked like Clay tbh, any vehicles no matter what size could get stuck real good in there unless it's light with huge tires

[@thehappyhermit01]

Steep rock face? My 2004 F-150 FX4 can do more than that and I'm super cautious when I'm offloading thru the Sonoran Desert in SW Arizona.

[@Hudson4426]

I love my wagon

[@TipOfTheSpear907]

I’m planning to just to use my to pull my SxS and enjoy some easy trails with it

[@mammothwagon]

Those “rock sliders” are rock grabbers. Those wheels are also WAY too big FFS. And that dual exhaust hanging off, just waiting to catch a rock. Tell me you don’t know what you’re doing without telling me you don’t know what you’re doing.

[@Locust_and_Wild_Honey]

Power waygon!!

[@mrsid587]

Great video. However it is pronounced "Power Wagon" not "Power Wigen". I know it tough you you "Wiskconsin" folks to pronounce things properly. Just having fun! The truck looks fantastic! I always though a rear mounted winch would be just as useful as a front mounted one.

[@TrailBuilt]

Appreciate the support! 😂 You should hear some of these guys pronounce "Bag" there is definitely a such thing as a Wisconsin accent. 😂

[@unknown_truckers]

More like 8800 pounds lol Also need a front end camera for any wheeling in these rams

[@willrector9716]

What you guys should be talking about is half verses heavy duty trucks.... half tons wheel great, hd does not. People make their jeeps bigger than fullsize all the time... what the big issue is weight.

[@TBeare]

There are no half tons that come as capable as a power wagon stock as far as I know. Which half ton comes with front & rear lockers, electronically disconnectable sway bars and a built in 12k winch? Also the ability to shove 37s under it without modification. This thing eats 1/2 tons for breakfast and shits them out after MOAB. Just my 2 cents.

[@willrector9716]

@@TBeare haha did you watch the video? It needs a Winch that's for sure. Raptors and trx have front traction aids, and winch is easy to install. HD trucks sink like a rock in soft stuff... they are fine on hard pack. In all my years wheeling heavy trucks get stuck..... I can't wait to see how many electric trucks get buried.... those things are ridiculously heavy

[@TBeare]

@@willrector9716 yeah, it's a purpose built machine for sure. You get decent offroad capability while maintaining some HD capability like being able tow moderately and fit a family of 5 in the cab with the rest of your crap in the bed. Let's face the music though dude, if your intent is to seriously wheel you're not looking at a half or 3/4 ton truck.

[@willrector9716]

@@TBeare that's what I was saying....... hd trucks aren't for wheeling. That's all I said. Don't get me wrong the power wagon is freaking badass!

[@TBeare]

@@willrector9716 yeah well by that logic, 1/2 ton trucks aren't really for wheeling either then.

[@smh6016]

Reality check! Buy a nice 3500, get a toy-hauler and off-road a quad or side by side!! Or…..destroy that oversized 80k rig doing half what you could in an old jeep!!

[@samlo7323]

What's a power waa’gon that guy keeps saying

[@robertpeterson7496]

Pewer Wegan

[@robertfoster2531]

Big heavy vehicles do better on long road trips and some PW seat six. They are much safer if you get in a motor vehicle accident than a jeep or tacoma.

[@johnmorales9584]

Wegen? Is this a Canadian channel?

[@TrailBuilt]

Might as well be! Just kidding we are from Wisconsin so definitely a close relative.😂

[@MrCherrygrovedude]

This dude's accent is killing me 🤣

[@TrailBuilt]

We take a lot of pride in our accents haha

[@georgejulien3286]

Waygon

[@Pje3ski]

Don’t think you were going to get a wrecker out there.

[@TrailBuilt]

You would be surprised. Tracked vehicle with the right set up and you'll be saved. Might have to wait for it to firm up a bit though.

[@Pje3ski]

@@TrailBuilt never seen a tracked wrecker. I bet that would be an expensive recovery.

[@PankajMohan]

Waygon don't care!

[@TrailBuilt]

You know it!

[@donearl6675]

🤩👍❗

[@shawnriddle3018]

So the original 4x4 truck since 1946 p.w. is no good off road? thats hillarious. You do know most jeeps are limited slip? And yes the power wagon /Dodge Trucks command cars of all shapes and sizes 1/2 ton 4x4, 3/4 ton 4x4 ,1.5 ton 4x4 and 6x6 hauled people, guns, food, fuel, ammo and towed anti air craft guns off road starting before jeep 1934 1.5 ton Dodge K39X4 I cant think of any other vehicle that tows and hauls so well off road. I use my 15 prospector p.w. to tow my 25 'toy hauler with three 450 yamaha quads in soft dune sand. Oceano / imperial dunes. Watch Jeep vs TRX vs Raptor vs Power wagon vs Tremor vs Toyota etc... see for yourself. 4x4 off road channel. P.S. quads are better off road than jeep or p.w. you just cant take much stuff with you. lol

[@shawnriddle3018]

Are those 20's? lol

[@blackshirt4ever02]

Waygin lol

[@BibleSamurai]

yeah, pw dont care

[@tex_gil117]

Those tailpipes 😐💩

[@bradsunday]

Product salesman. I own a stock 2500. And a stock PW rides way better.

[@eddiel7033]

Wouldn't be all that confident in the wilderness in a Fiat/Chrysler/Ram.

[@justinvandal9696]

It’s not the 70s and 80s anymore . Things change.