Too Many Edgware Roads

[@PopeLando]

It's obvious isn't it? The Bakerloo Line station should remain Edgware Road, and the Hammersmith & City one should be renamed Edgeware Road.

[@2H80vids]

Now that's an interesting idea. If TfL actually did that and 𝑑𝑖𝑑𝑛'𝑡 publicise it, I wonder how long it would take folks to notice. I'm sure Jago, Geoff Marshall and Jay Foreman would spot it immediately but few others would see the difference. Just think what adding that little "e" would cost. By the time you alter and reprint all the maps and posters across the network, fix the giveaway Tube maps, re-programme all the ticketing gadgetry, alter the station signage(inside 𝒂𝒏𝒅 outside the station), before changing the destination boards on trains, there would be a whole lot of zeros after the £ sign.😁 I say, save the money and employ two full-time staff, one for each station, to explain the whole thing to all these confused travellers.

[@iankemp1131]

Or vice versa!

[@DarkDutch007]

@@2H80vids once every so often you have to print new flyers, maps, timetables, whatever anyways, just update it with the new print?

[@iankemp1131]

There were/are a number of BR stations which weren't spelt quite the same as their OS location, e.g. Handborough, Whittlesea. Plus various Welsh stations that the GWR gave anglicised phonetic spellings, like Dolgelley and Llanelly. But even they couldn't find an equivalent to Machynlleth or Pwllheli.

[@oc2phish07]

Or Edgeware Roade?

[@garycook5071]

Agreed to meet my wife after work at Edgware Road. I stood and waited at one station and she at the other 😕

[@allenwilliams1306]

That's your story.

[@angelikazavadska6117]

We did that at Shepherds Bush about 15 yeqrs ago

[@66PHILB]

At least neither of you were at Edgware!

[@actua99]

Did you then also remedy the situation by both going to the other station and missing each other yet again?

[@Psevdonim123]

There was a situation like this in Mafia: The City if Lost Heaven...

[@marvintpandroid2213]

100,000 eh, well, well, well... That was quick, and well deserved. Oh algorithm !

[@984francis]

"All hail the algorithm", credit to Superfastmatt.

[@barron204]

The old stations have a nostalgic charm.

[@bipbipletucha]

They really do don't they

[@AtheistOrphan]

‘We demand rigidly-defined areas of doubt and uncertainty’.

[@thexalon]

"Though we might not."

[@kirk130013]

Yes, yes Broomfondel

[@neilbain8736]

It's the inalienable prerogative of your working class thinker.

[@Ribeirasacra]

Edgware Road, so good they named it twice.

[@dylanb.117]

CONGRATULATIONS JAGO ON 100K!! YOU DESERVE IT!!!!! YOU'LL GET THAT SILVER PLAYBUTTON IN THE POST VERY SOON

[@ourresidentcockney8776]

Well, we may have too many Edgware Roads but we will never have enough Jago videos and subscribers to enjoy Jago videos. Top work lad!

[@nickdsnik]

How many towns have a "London Road" as the road that goes to London Also in London there is "Harrow Road" not in Harrow but goes that way, and Bath Road a long way from Bath but it is a start if you take it out of London, and probably many others.

[@highpath4776]

@@nickdsnik Oxford Street ?

[@truckerallikatuk]

I am indeed a person who thrives on chaos and confusion. Fortunately for one and all I am also very lazy. Thus this kind of confusion and chaos which requires zero effort on my part is my absolute favourite. Congrats on 100,000 subs, well deserved.

[@hectorthorverton4920]

Quite. Keeping two steps ahead of the others is shere (no, sorry, that's a place in Surrey) - sheer wasted effort.

[@sarac.3259]

@@hectorthorverton4920 and how is Kiki?

[@hectorthorverton4920]

@@sarac.3259 Ga-ga. (or was that Zha-Zha). Sara: have you tried it in the original French?

[@sarac.3259]

@@hectorthorverton4920🤣 I haven't - should I? Will investigate!

[@hectorthorverton4920]

@@sarac.3259 Search 'La maison de Toutou'. You'll see the skill of the English adaptation. Hope you enjoy it.

[@57thorns]

In Sweden there once was a locality known as Lunda (actually two, but this is about one of them). When the railroad arrived there already as a Lunda station (at that other Lunda loclity), so the station was named "Jönåker". Soon the locality was renamed Jönåker, and the name stuck even if the railroad no longer stops there.

[@KevinTheCaravanner]

There’s the solution; we rename one of the Edgware Road stations Jonaker.

[@ShedTV]

Briefly touched on here is the Westway and its often detrimental effect on the areas it was driven through; a whole subject in itself, and definitely worth exploring further.

[@PoloABD]

It’s sad that it divides communities, but I’m afraid I think otherwise there’s every reason for it. I actually think they should have at least finished the northern sections of the ringways- though the north circular is ok. Euston road is just impassible and yet the westway is relatively completely free

[@johnburns4017]

@@PoloABD Only fit for demolition. A bad idea that was realised it was so bad it was not completed. London has to be given back to its people.

[@johnburns4017]

@Chiltern Transport Productions There is a perfectly good transport network, which will be even better when Crossrail is fully online. They can use that. I notice that most cars on the Westway have one person in them. The Westway is an appalling abomination. It destroys the lives of anyone living near it. The double decker section over Harrow Rd is a real abomination. Insensitive 1960s planning really gone wrong. The most polluted part of western Europe is Marylebone Rd, where this motorway (the A40 (M)) slowly, with a huge tailback, disgorges it poison spurting machines into a Medieval/Victorian street pattern not designed or built to cope with motorway volumes of motor vehicles. A street pattern built for people not motor vehicles pouring out poison into the air. The Westway was an appalling idea to begin with. The insensitive way in which a motorway was built within yards of people's bedroom windows, shows the insensitivity to people of the governments of the time. *Westway was a huge mistake.* Time for it to go. Parts maybe kept using rail/trams with stations built on it. It may be of some use somewhere.

[@johnburns4017]

@Chiltern Transport Productions London worked perfectly well without such nonsense.

[@johnburns4017]

@Chiltern Transport Productions The points I put forward were quite obvious.

[@ainsleyharriott2209]

Congrats on 100k subs the KZbin plaque is well deserved

[@petermartin4298]

I living on a rock on the other side of the world (Tasmania) yet I am fascinated by your videos. I have been binge watching them enjoying the snippets of local histories you provide to a place I will probably never go. #Respect.

[@sarac.3259]

Have friends from Tasmania - never asked how they can stand living here in London (sounds rude!) - career prospects I think. Hope to go one day, despite the complicated journey - sounds idyllic. Enjoy the sun (it's bound to be sunny!).

[@petermartin4298]

@@sarac.3259 Hi Sara. Sunny yes. About 22 degrees C But can get down to -20 in the highlands during winter. It is known as the holiday Isle so I hope you make it here one day and get to enjoy all the things it has to offer. Cheers Peter.

[@richardbaron7106]

I spent 8 years living in Wimbledon and working in Paddington, which meant I regularly used both Edgware Rd stations before heading back to NZ. Even if you only get to visit London for a holiday, I highly recommend you do so - the central city is fascinating and there's lots of stuff to see and do. Plus you'll get to appreciate just what a great place Tassie is.

[@LeTon75]

I'm actually walking down Edgware Road now and got the notification 🔔

[@deanharrysmith718]

should of taken the tube instead :-)

[@stevefry5783]

@@deanharrysmith718 But which one?

[@vapeymcvape5000]

Way to go on 100k subscribers, Fella. We're proud of you.

[@kaitlyn__L]

“Well actually, that’s a common misconception about anarchists, you see-“ *(gets dragged away)*

[@recklessroges]

I was going to say the same thing, but I refuse to do as I'm told.

[@glitch4465]

Well now im interested

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@glitch4465 put as simply as I can, anarchism is not about chaos or a lack of rules, it’s about creating a world without nonconsensual power structures (admittedly a very difficult and long-term task). To give smaller practical examples: workplace democracy, involvement in governing decisions, basically just being able to have a say in stuff that affects you, writ as large as possible. Now; if that’s a bit vague, that’s because very few anarchists actually agree with each other on how exactly anybody should go about trying to accomplish those goals. And there’s a few dozen different flavours, with distinct names, although most at least have enough overlap that they’ll cooperate when it comes to supporting practical, nowadays, political action. Plus, of course, I tried to limit myself to just one paragraph, where thousands of essays have been written for hundreds of years about the wrinkles and details. I suppose the last thing I will say is: some people have said Dwarf Fortress depicts an anarchist mode of society (at least before you get a king or mayor or whatever it is). Take from that what you will, haha

[@glitch4465]

@@kaitlyn__L How is that different to communism?

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@glitch4465 well, there can certainly be overlap. They’re not mutually exclusive ideas. If one did both, that would be called anarcho-socialism. However, the two things are concerned with different things. One of the main differences can be the matter of centralisation. Socialism doesn’t have to involve central planning, but it’s not inherently opposed to it. But anarchists don’t like centralised systems, they prefer cooperative, distributed systems, like BitTorrent. Or a more modern example might be blockchains. Anarchism is concerned with power imbalances and the question of whether one can completely eliminate them. They don’t like states but they also don’t like smaller forms of self-perpetuating power, like parent teachers association boards. And so they don’t like centralised systems as they can be used to exert control. Socialism meanwhile is preoccupied specifically with the relationship between those who own businesses and those who work for them. Chiefly it is concerned with the fact that an employee must cost their employer less than the employee is making for the employer. Many socialists believe centralisation (aka nationalisation) is necessary, at least “at first”. (Anarchists believe states perpetuate themselves and “at first” would become “forever”.) Anarchists are also opposed to standing armies and other military things like that, while socialists again are not inherently anti- those. This is ultimately the main kind of tension you will see when it comes to arguments between the two groups, and what I alluded to with the dozens of flavours thing. For instance you will find socialists who are also anarchists, but you can also find anarchists who are staunchly devoted to free markets. There’s a huge amount of diversity of thought.

[@brianartillery]

I worked with a bloke who was of the opinion that terrorists with explosive vests should not be referred to as 'Suicide Bombers', but be given the epithet 'Cowardly Murder Bombers'. He might have a point.

[@2H80vids]

Great idea; I bet the 10 O'clock News won't start using it though.😁 I didn't see this comment until agfter I wrote mine but you might notice that my description is ever-so-slightly similar. Your workmate sounds like a wise man.

[@chrisstephens6673]

You could prefix the term with " deluded "

[@brianartillery]

@@2H80vids - He was, but sadly, he's no longer with us. He had been a policeman in Jamaica. Lovely guy.

[@cadetkidkilla]

@@brianartillery ‘Sadly’, doesn’t seem the case. Your friend sounds like an utter infant.

[@sarac.3259]

Agree - in conversation, but news should be without emotion or opinion or where on earth would it end? You have to let the viewer or reader draw that conclusion themselves (if they are reasonably human then they will anyway), ie we know it is morally wrong to blow up yourself and take others with you.

[@jsnsk101]

That substation looks like it was covered with the least popular options from a wallpaper sample book. Its funny how far up their own behinds artists have their heads.

[@marcelwiszowaty1751]

Disagree... I think it looks great and at platform level it brings some welcome colour to look at whilst waiting for the "wrong" Circle Line service (still confuses me, although I get why they altered the service)

[@adamhenley8295]

Thanks for this video - my first secondary school was in Bell Street (shabby side 😂😂) so would catch the Earls Court to Edgware Road Tube then walk under the flyover to school. After 3 years we then moved to the “upper school” that is now the site of the Chelsea & Westminster Hospital just up the road I haven’t been back in 30 years so was thrilling to relive some memories 👍

[@beachman8106]

Jago thanks for all the videos. I grew up in Guildford and in the early 1960’s used to visit my cousins who lived in Headstone Lane, North Harrow. This entailed a Southern Region train to Waterloo then the Bakerloo line to North Harrow This was a real adventure for a boy by himself. I recall at Waterloo there was a movie theatre which showed cartoons continuously. You could go there whilst waiting for the train home. Another day adventure was to go to the British Museum, the Natural History Museum and the War Museum. I also recall cycling from my home to Woking railway station where we would hide on the embankment at the junction of the Southern and Western region lines with a book of train numbers which we crossed off when we saw the train go by. They were different times then. I don’t think parents would allow that these days. We emigrated to Melbourne in 1965. Melbourne has an extensive tram network with all the lines terminating in the CBD. Keep up your good work.TFTT is a favourite channel.

[@sirrliv]

Kind of reminds me of the case of Shoal Creek in Austin, Texas. Not so much the small water feature, but the street that runs along it. Along... both banks of it. Yes, through reasons lost to time, there are not one, not two, but three roads in Austin all named Shoal Creek. Two of them run along the creek itself, one on each bank, and the third appears seemingly at random. Infamously, there are multiple intersections of Shoal Creel and Shoal Creek, enough to make your GPS cry. It's been a long Austin tradition to avoid giving directions via Shoal Creek as much as possible, or if you must go to an address on that street you have to specify which one and often reference nearby landmarks. And while Shoal Creek is the most famous, it's not the only street in Austin with an evil twin. How many roads in London have intersections where they meet themselves?

[@andrewgwilliam4831]

I'd be surprised if any streets in London intersect with themselves like that, partly because a lot of roads change name along their length. For instance, near me there's a Romford Road that changes name several times before it reaches an intersection with another road which then itself becomes known as Romford Road a couple of miles away. Nobody local to any part of either road would ever be confused, and anyone travelling through from elsewhere would be using the route numbers anyway. London's big enough to potentially have examples I've never heard of, of course, but I suspect any historical cases have long since had their names changed.

[@triviabuff5682]

Before World War 2, the Post Office "persuaded" local authorities to change street names in many towns so that there was only one street with a particular name in each town. Because London is an amalgamation of many towns they had had to do this several times since the 1830s.

[@andrewgwilliam4831]

@@triviabuff5682 For some reason you've reminded me that Chadwell Heath has two different streets named "South Road". Thanks to 1960s redevelopment Barking has two separate streets called "Gascoigne Road", neither of which has signage telling you where to find the other bit with the house number you can't find.

[@2H80vids]

@@triviabuff5682 Interesting. Any examples?🤔😁

[@zork999]

There are 71 roads in Atlanta, GA (USA) that have the word "Peachtree" in them. IIRC there are 16 in Downtown Atlanta itself. There is at least one intersection of Peachtree (St NE) and Peachtree (Center Ave NE).

[@alexandraclement1456]

Congrats on having 100,000 subs.👏 Thanks to another wonderful video. The confusion suits the tube beautifully.

[@bigaspidistra]

In my experience the two Edgware Roads are distinguished by the District (etc) one being usually preceded in announcements by "Signal Failure at".

[@ESmith-ik8vu]

Congratulations. And thank you for all the uplifting moments from you've given us from below the surface. As well as from it. And from above it.

[@discogareth]

I always look forward to new videos from you. They really are first class. 100k is very well deserved!

[@sabinebogensperger1928]

Congratulations on 100k subs! I really enjoyed this latest video, as confusing as the two stations may be, it's one of those quirks of public transport in London that could only come from a long and colourful history. Thank you also for highlighting various historical parts of the stations, I love these kind of details. Well done.

[@GeorgeChoy]

Each time I'm in the area, the confusion throws me.

[@CorvoFG]

I see you’ve hit the magic number. Well done and we want to see the silver button when it arrives.

[@6yjjk]

Need to have it run over by a Tube train for the lulz (and that sweet clickbaity goodness).

[@catfish552]

@@6yjjk It needs to take a ride on the tube at the very least. Just shots of a play button, sitting forlorn in an empty carriage as the train rumbles along.

[@johnm2012]

"Bakeloo" - well spotted. There's a modern signage error at 4:54 too: "District and Circle lines" is fine, but "Hammersmith & City lines" ought to be singular.

[@AtheistOrphan]

Good point.

[@2H80vids]

Well spotted. You should contact TfL, they might give you a free trip to Hammersmith and back, or maybe not.😁

[@cargy930]

hmmmm... But isn't there an up and a down line?! :P :D

[@johnm2012]

@@cargy930 Yes, there is. But that would place the other Edgware Road station on the Bakerloo Lines, because it is double track too!

[@cargy930]

@@johnm2012 Curse you; hoist by my own petard!! :D:D:D

[@baxtermarrison5361]

I think it is these little 'quirks' that make our Capital City a place of joy for the locals and a point of frustration to the visitor.

[@crashingdown6924]

I use to stay in the hostel next door to the bakerloo line, and for some reason always found myself running to get the district line train, hardly surprising considering I needed to get out to southwest London. very usefull line I must say anyway I'm glad u mentioned the scenic difference, the bakerloo station being on the main road is all busy busy, but once u turn the corner towards the district* line its so much more peaceful and pleasant even when your running (even though I assume it's far busier than the bakerloo station?). That whole edgeware road area of london is a bit out of place imo, one big long wide road with endless passing thru traffic, what's more pleasant is to walk adjacent to that big ugly westway and you end up at paddington and maybe b4 u get there u spot that canal down below👌(after paddington is towards ladbrook grove/kilburn lane) which is one of my favourite places to go for grilled chicken and chips (best in london) of course camden is in the other direction. I think what I'm getting at is this area feels a bit like a transport hub for many. At least for me anyway.

[@no_one_of_that_name_here]

Wonderful video! I always wondered why there were two. Note on a different subject; please never name a terrorist, because fame and notoriety is what they want. Leave them nameless and faceless as they deserve to be forgotten while we should only remember the names of the victims.

[@shelleys]

As an international and regular viewer of your videos, nothing brings me more joy than when you cover the stations and places I’ve been to: thank you!

[@shelleys]

for some context, i’m from sweden but i’ve been to england 23 times, 14 of those times being to london, and this (bakerloo line) is where my friend who i used to live with on my travels lives! so a lot of good memories

[@user-pw3tr1xg2x]

Congratulations on the 100,000 Jago 👏🏻😀

[@oxwof]

My first (and so far only) trip to London, we stayed at a hotel a short walk from both stations. I was the one in our group tasked with figuring out the Tube before we got there, so I had it straight, but my traveling companions were endlessly confused. It would be nice to have them connected underground like Monument/Bank, but I'm sure there isn't enough traffic to justify it.

[@rsmck]

Congratulations on 100k!

[@WilliamHBaird-eq2hp]

At 1:09 you show my home in the 1960s ... Chiltern Court on the 7th floor (With the dormer windows) Marylebone Road & Baker Street. It was a grand building!

[@oc2phish07]

I live just 4 miles from these stations. Another terrific video and WOW! 100,000 Subs. Well Done Jago.

[@AZ-74]

congrats on 100k subs 🎉 you earned it

[@MrGreatplum]

The promotors were dodgy characters but had excellent facial hair! I think it makes sense to change the name of one of the stations (as long as it’s less complicated than embankment / Charing Cross / Trafalgar Square!) Another congratulations on 100,000 subs!

[@marcelwiszowaty1751]

Yes, I agree! Incidentally the reason TfL gave for not changing the name of the Bakerloo station was one of cost. Okay, in which case why was it acceptable to change Shepherd's Bush Circle & H&C to Shepherd's Bush Market? Did the market traders slip TfL a sneaky backhander? I think we need to be told! PS How about "Horrible Concrete Flyover" as the new name? 😎

[@Awesome_Transport]

Well done on 100k! You deserve it, very interesting video as usual!

[@brucebush5744]

It’s a quirk that I can put up with. But I used to work on Edgware Road - and there were regularly confused and annoyed people at either station wanting to be at the other one, so there really should be a rename. And yes - the different worlds on either side of the flyover is a startling transition!

[@johnburns4017]

Look at the new upmarket building complex on the north side. West End Gate

[@highpath4776]

@@johnburns4017 Its getting worse.

[@johnburns4017]

@@highpath4776 The new high rise private buildings are not finished yet.

[@highpath4776]

@@johnburns4017 Only noticed them when on Megabuses travelling to the M1 on some days and routes. Was their a reason why the bits to the east of Edgware Road (Road) didnt get developed in that way until recently ?

[@johnburns4017]

@@highpath4776 To the west of Edgware Rd, it was vacant for a _long_ time. A whole row of shops (mainly hi-fi shops) were demolished, from the Police station to Church St, leaving a large plot. Nothing was done. The plot was turned into surface car parking. It was obviously some sort of financial angle as land in central London is worth a fortune. More likely land speculation - just leaving it then looking at the value rise by doing _nothing._ These money grabbers are a pest. Meanwhile the community suffer for 25 years, because of a few money making sods. For over ten years it remained like that. The new complex was also supposed to incorporate a shopping mall to replace the demolished shops. I am not sure if the near completed buildings will have shopping. The curved tower must be 30 floors high. Only because of the two Edgware Rd Tube stations they allowed so many apartments. The further west Paddington complexes were only given permission because of the two Edgware Rd stations on one side and Paddington on the other, with Warwick Ave to the north. From the demolition of the hi-fi shop until opened it will be around 25 years. Land Value Tax would have got a development there immediately. With Land Value Tax you pay the levy on the _value_ of the land whether a building is on it or not - it ignores what is on, or not on, the land. So if it is just land you still pay full rate as if a 100 floor building is on it. It sharpens the mind to get the land used efficiently. Singapore and HK tax land, being one of the keys to their economic success. The east of Edgware Rd to Lisson Grove is quite good with many renovations. The row of tatty looking shops on Edgware Rd gives the wrong impression. I would assume the shops would be renovated in time with an up market complex opposite attracting people.

[@jameslees7103]

Congrats on 100k! I remember mere months ago finding this channel when the subs were in the 100’s

[@HM...333]

Jago, congratulations on the 100,000 subs. That was quick. Very well done!! We all know that you deserve it!

[@eddisstreet]

I do not see why the name of one of the two Edgware Road stations cannot be changed - in my lifetime Aldersgate has become Barbican, Brent has become Brent Cross, Bromley has become Bromley-By-Bow, Charing Cross has become Embankment, Shepherd's Bush (one of them) has become Shepherd's Bush Market, Strand has become Charing Cross, Trafalgar Square has become Charing Cross - and I'm sure that there are other name changes that I've missed. And while they're at it why not change one of the Bethnal Greens

[@KasabianFan44]

Bethnal Green is a particularly infuriating example, as the two stations are quite a distance apart from each other - so far apart, in fact, that there isn’t even an OSI between them! I would say that if they ever build a new Central line station at Shoreditch High Street (which doesn’t look very likely right now, but maybe after the Elizabeth line fully opens...), they can use that as an opportunity to rename Bethnal Green station as well (since they would need to replace the at-station vector diagrams anyway).

[@alanwatson5929]

Well done for a great series of potted histories. The Bakerloo is great for separate stations with the same name but with no physical connections, Elephant & Castle which I'm sure you have covered and Paddington (Praed Street) and the H&C Paddington. To confuse a consumer even more the Circle stops at both the latter.

[@2H80vids]

I thought I knew the Tube map fairly well but I've never noticed that before, the Paddington thing. Funny how many "quirks" are associated with the Circle, good going for a line that doesn't really exist, except for two wee curves in the corners.

[@johnburns4017]

The Westway, an elevated Mway as it was, obliterated nearby Paddington Green. _Dixon of Dock Green_ TV show was supposed to be _Dixon of Paddington Green,_ but a last minute change made it Dock Green. That was when Paddington Green, the centre of Paddington, existed. I believe it had great charm.

[@highpath4776]

And a reputation for the home of thieves and robbers.

[@johnburns4017]

@@highpath4776 Paddington Green did?

[@cipher_]

lol "bakeloo" line

[@lostcarpark]

I'd like an underground walkway connecting them, but if renaming a station is too expensive, I guess that's not going to happen. Well done on 100K subscribers!

[@AnthonyHandcock]

100,000!!!! Congratulations from a former anarchist who thrived on confusion and chaos, but only because they were things he had a natural talent for and you should always play to your strengths. These days a I'm happy with an endless series of quite nights in with a cup of tea, vintage British comedy films and the occasional 'big cigarette'. How the hell did I get so old? Last time I checked I was 21 and immortal.

[@stevebluesbury6206]

Confusion and chaos every time. Helps with grockle spotting. 😃

[@Jules_Diplopia]

I hadn't realised that there were 2 different Edgware Road stations.... clearly one ought to be renamed. Or, the stations on either side (Paddington and Marylebone) should be renamed Edgware Road too, to make the confusion more complete!

[@Nickelodeon81]

I think all underground stations should be renamed to Edgware Road Station.

[@TLBNation]

You can also notice the similar occurrence with Wandsworth Station and Wandsworth Road Station (Near Nine Elms)

[@davidbosher8377]

Sending Circle Line trains to Hammersmith from 2009 may have solved TfL's operational difficulties but for passengers it is a nightmare. Starting and terminating these trains at Edgware Road has meant that all passengers from stations on the west side of the Circle, e.g. High Street Kensington, Notting Hill Gate and Bayswater, have lost their through services to and from places like Baker Street, King's Cross St. Pancras and Liverpool Street while at Paddington, anyone arriving off main line trains have a much longer walk to the H & C platforms to catch a through eastbound service although this has been somewhat offset now by the opening of the Elizabeth Line (unless, of course, you want to get to say Great Portland Street or Euston Square). Not only do passengers from say Notting Hill Gate to King's Cross have to relinquish their seats (provided they were lucky enough to secure one) at Edgware Road, there is no indication which one of Edgware Road's platforms the terminating Circle trains will go into and more often than not, people find they will have not only the inconvenience of changing but the entire passenger contents of the train will then have to toil en masse up and down steps and across the footbridge to then board a train that has come from Hammersmith and is no doubt packed to the rafters. And of course District Line trains terminate here too at a station never designed for use as a terminus so if you board one of those, you'll still have the same problem unless, of course, you relish the idea of going the long way round via Victoria and Embankment. Kind regards, David, Crouch End, N8

[@robertkemp9023]

Fascinating. Particularly interested as I have worked in the office block behind the window cleaner statue near to the Circle line station. Quite happy with the common station names. Like these quirks.

[@tomburke5311]

“Ballardian” - like it!

[@fenlinescouser3898]

Had to google it. Hadn't realised he'd become his own adjective. Recognition indeed.

[@javiskii]

Here in Madrid we had Atocha and Cercanías Atocha, they were two stations on the same line, which made it extra confusing for tourists (and me when I was new to the city) but now they've changed both names, Atocha Cercanías is now just Atocha (named after the train station it serves), and what was Atocha, now is Estación del Arte (Art's Station, because it's close to a whole bunch of museums)

[@tsbrownie]

Charlotte, NC has an intersection where 5 Queen streets come together.

[@SecretSquirrelFun]

Thanks again for sharing this video. And....another example of same name, different country. My friend used to live on Edgeware Road in Newtown, (with the extra’e’) Sydney Australia. I think Sydney’s Edgeware Road runs through 4 different areas - Enmore, Newtown and Marrickville and St Peters- but I may be mistaken. I’m about 10 minutes away in Camperdown. Newtown, St Peters and Marrickville have stations, Enmore is by bus. Anyway thanks again for all your entertaining content, I love it. Take care 🙂🐿 P.s I was going to say, there were lots of swindlers involved and then you mentioned it. I’m wondering just how many swindlers are which stations...but that’s just me.

[@ratpark5008]

Thanks for bringing back the memories. The Hammersmith and City Edgware Road station is like the Sargasso Sea of the underground, I've spent so long marooned and freezing on its dismal platforms.

[@tooleyheadbang4239]

Full of eels..?

[@ratpark5008]

@@tooleyheadbang4239 they make the platform so slippy

[@chizzieshark]

Ah the Circle line...bane of everyone's existence. I confess to having made the rookie mistake of thinking the two Edgware Road stations were the same. Imagine our confusion when a helpful TFL employee told my mum and I that we'd have to walk outside and around the corner to get to the Circle line.

[@nathanwulf]

Definitely keep them both as Edgware Road to confuse tourists who haven't done their research (bitter rail worker here).

[@JulesOfIslington]

Oh, if you like stations with the same name, you'd love Chicago. The Chicago L has five stations named "Western", miles apart at different places along Western Avenue. Two of these are on the Blue Line (one being at Western and Milwaukee and the other being at Western and Congress). There are plenty of other stations sharing a name.

[@ajs41]

Congrats Jago on reaching the big 100,000.

[@Albanwinter]

Oh, now there's a substation worth writing home about. (Truly. I do love that building.)

[@ROCKINGMAN]

Nice little documentary. I don't think they should re-name the Bakerloo line station. Bothe serve the same area and I've never found it that confusing. It's clear on the underground diagram that they are seperate. The Bakerloo line Edgware Rd. is very much like South Kentish Town closed in 1922 and still there. I'd love to know about that and see behind it. Or, stations long since closed.

[@azaleaplaystv]

Congrats on 100k! Can’t imagine anyone who deserves it more! Lots of love from Canada ❤️

[@Haobey]

Congratulations on the 100k. Think I joined round the 30k mark and I've loved watching this channel grow. Keep up the solid work.

[@jshicke]

As an American who has never visited London, but who would like too, I plan to get confused during my entire trip by getting off and on at the wrong Edgeware station so I can come home and remark how well our own subways work in comparison. Not that I ride the subways frequently in America as so few cities have them here. I did ride the MARTA system in Atlanta, Georgia for a week or so on a business trip. I was impressed by it's efficiency.

[@elizabethspedding1975]

Beautiful stations. 100,000 subscribers! 🍾🥂 I knew you would get there because you produce brilliant work. ♥️

[@JagoHazzard]

Thanks!

[@iankemp1131]

Congrats on the 100K Jago! Other confusing dual-name stations have been renamed (Shepherds Bush, Wood Green) so maybe the problem is the historic frontages of both Edgware Roads with the names clearly displayed. For Strand (Aldwych) they solved the problem in draconian manner by closing it. Hadn't realised the two were so far apart, or that Edgware Road had been the Bakerloo terminus rather than Paddington (only for 6 years though, I see on consulting Wikipedia). The side entrance is intriguing; I couldn't really see what architectural style it was as it is all buried under ivy! Definitely worth seeing the Whitaker Wright and Yerkes videos for those who haven't previously.

[@JagoHazzard]

Shepherds Bush is another on my “too many” list once lockdown ends.

[@CaseysTrains]

I'm from NYC where we have 6 "86th Street" Stations, 2 of which are in Brooklyn, The other 4 in Manhattan. Now to be fair the 2 in Brooklyn are along West 86th Street and you even have part of the D Train Elevated run above it. The 86th Street in Manhattan is your typical East-West Upper Manhattan Street so it crosses paths with those 4 other station. One of which opened as recently as 2017 as part of "infamous" The Second Avenue Subway which deserves a video of it's own. (I'll be sure to link that in the descrip....wait a minute.) So 2 Edgware Roads? Not much a problem!

[@brettn4337]

Nice video Jago. I'd like to visit London one day when the Rona settles down, but until then the duplicitous TfL will have to be replaced by the inept TfNSW

[@Smithy67]

Congratulations on 100,000 subs. The videos are great.

[@tomasjones3755]

100K - Congrats! 6:53 "the moment you cross that threshold...." Here, in the U.S., we have a long history of 'living on the other side of the tracks'. The platform side of surface tracks was the 'good' side of town; the other side; not so much. It may be the same elsewhere, in the world, but that is beyond my pay grade.

[@bipbipletucha]

Congratulations on 100k! Keep up the great work

[@amethyst7084]

Thanks Jago - this is a wonderful video (I know I had mentioned this recently). It's excellent, and well worth re-visiting; also the links you have provided to the other videos you have mentioned. I didn't realize there was such detail behind both Edgware Road stations, and that the Edgware Road on the Circle, District and Hammersmith and City Lines is the older of the two. Super interesting!! 👏🏾🌟👌 With reference to the re-naming of the Bakerloo Edgware Road - I think it would be a good idea for it to be given a name which reflects its locale; a bit like the re-naming of 'Shepherd's Bush' on the Hammersmith and City Line to 'Shepherd's Bush Market' (although I would have advocated leaving the name of the older station, and re-naming the newer Central Line station).

[@timtjtim]

Congratulations on 100k! Great to see new people breaking into KZbin!

[@andrewdolinskiatcarpathian]

The confusion caused by the two Edgware stations having the same name caused confusion when my wife and I visited the area and went to the wrong station. We were confused! Should they keep the same name, hell yes. Why not keep on confusing! 😂

[@annaeborall934]

Great video again Jago, so pleased I found it during the first lockdown. Love London and the Underground. Congrats on the well deserved 100k. Think the station names should remain as they are if only to confuse tourists 😁.

[@birdbrain4445]

Yeah, having watched a bunch of your videos now, it was easy enough to figure out why this is a thing, given the lines these stations serve. The Bakerloo station is charming, I like those period features of its design a lot. Honestly, I think one of them should be renamed - I don't know which one or to what, but two stations really shouldn't share a name unless they are literally right next to one another, I guess. Also it's amazing what that blasted Westway has done to the areas it scythed into; you can see the effects of it right there. It should never have been built IMO. Great video!

[@1headfirstforhalos1]

Congrats on 100k! I remember asking about the Edgware Roads back in the early days! I remember getting so confused by the 2 when I was younger 😂

[@joethebrowser2743]

Trains can be confusing at the best of times.

[@SimonRML2456]

Superb video as usual, I like that there are 2 Edgware Road stations, a bit like the 2 at Shepherds Bush, well there use to be, as I don't live in the UK anymore it might have changed... Look forward to your videos sir, they make my day 😊👍🏽 greetings from a slightly chilly Vienna Austria 🇦🇹😊

[@dkane2067]

I had no idea there were two stations, my grandmother lived off the Edgware Road, after living in Marylebone. Thanks Jago and congratulations on your 100,000 subs 👏

[@RadioJonophone]

That beastly 1967 fly-over is on the location of a cinema, on the same side of the road as the Bakerloo station, where part of the 1950 film, The Blue Lamp, was shot. It was outside that cinema where George Dixon, played by Jack Warner, was killed by the villain Tom Riley, played by Dirk Bogarde.

[@ryanhealy9342]

You are so right about what you said at 6:44 it’s almost as if it’s really starting to be central London once you go under that flyover.

[@MosherMike]

5:03 - speaking of duplicate names...that's awkward.

[@tinplategeek1058]

100k subscribers, way to go Jago! Well deserved.

[@nigeldewallens1115]

Many congratulations on achieving your new level! Well done ;)

[@cargy930]

Not so fast... He';s got to defeat the Big Boss yet! :P :D

[@shrikelet]

Congratulations on reaching one hundred thousand subscribers! Well-deserved, in my opinion.

[@marienbad2]

This is one of those quirks you soon learn to figure out when you use either station. I see you mentioned two of our old railwaymen friends in relation to the station oddity in this video; this no longer surprises me! And congrats on the 100!

[@2urbantransport]

Congregations on 100K. I do enjoy all of your videos.

[@johnburns4017]

Liverpool had two stations named James Street. The current underground station in James St, and one on the now demolished Liverpool Overhead Railway, at the bottom of James St. They were yards apart. There was a suggestion to sink a lift shaft down from the elevated Overhead railway to the underground platforms beneath, to have passenger interconnection. It never happened, as they demolished the Liverpool Overhead Railway.

[@patspadd8243]

Hello Jago and very good video thanks as it’s something I’ve always been aware of with the two Edgware Road stations with the same name and one of them should be renamed so anyway congratulations on reaching 100K subscribers as you do a wonderful job in educating and entertaining us with your videos so take care stay safe and cheerio

[@OntarioTrafficMan]

Meanwhile in New York: 23rd St station, 23rd St station, 23rd St station, 23rd St station, 23rd St station. Located on the BMT Broadway Line, IND Eighth Avenue Line, IND Sixth Avenue Line & PATH, IRT Broadway-Seventh Avenue Line, and IRT Lexington Avenue Line, respectively. None are connected to any other.

[@amandajane8227]

Wow

[@stevesalvage1089]

Congratulations 100k not surprised really , very interesting subjects close to us for visitors to London historicle rail or tube well documented well filmed , far from a talking head talking at you , instead you talk to us with subject you can see , love this channel jago well done !!!

[@commentarytalk1446]

"Ballardian Monstrosity" (Westway Flyover) So true. And of course 1967 - yet another horror from that era. That said, that whole locality is full of interesting places: Life finds a way.

[@eekee6034]

I think this must me the pair of stations which had me terribly confused when I was a little kid with a fascination with maps. Eventually, walking through the incredibly long (for a 7-year-old) pedestrian tunnels in certain other stations gave me a satisfying (but perhaps incorrect) solution: It was as good as one station, but you had to walk over-land instead of underground to change lines. Anyway, it's good to see how pretty the Bakerloo station is. Between that and the trains I remember from when I was little, I rather think I'd like to visit it.

[@vespadavidson2315]

Why did.." oxblood tiled facade " make me chuckle? Good work dude.

[@Thefisherman27]

It's always been like that. Nothing better than telling someone "meet me outside Edgware Road bakerloo"

[@streetrambler134]

Cheers for the video, planning a trip to London Marylebone. So this has helped with the confusion.