Are You TRAINING with Weak AMMO?...You Might Be Surprised!

[@andywilson8698]

These boxes of ammo aren't training you for 10mm ,there for training you to get your hands back to your 45acp !!! The lords caliber!!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤣🤣🤣

[@timdavis5813]

I carry a 45 acp myself love that round.

[@freedomfirst5420]

You might as well use a 40S&W, with those 10mm numbers. If you not getting around 1300fps(180gr.) with a full sized handgun, your not getting true 10mm performance.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed😎👍

[@andrewfossatti4937]

I agree… train how you plan to fight

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@googleeyeseyes4033]

Your opinion on training is spot on, everything will be off, point of impact, recoil, follow up shot recovery etc. this is good material to educate the 10 mil masses, I cannot believe how many people at my range have zero clue, what I don’t test myself, I use your videos to educate and enlighten, in fact it was your videos that made me finally pull the trigger and buy a chronograph, much to self educate and a bit a fun at that, thanks for your work out there old son.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Really appreciate that. A chrono is way more useful than I ever would have thought.😎👍

[@nataliedeyton6829]

It’s a shame what they have done to a great round… like you said full power 10 mm is fun to shoot but most FMJ stuff is basically 40

[@martinhorst1858]

Exactly 💯. You might as well use 40 cal. there is essentially no difference except price. If you use Underwood 40 fmj loads, they are hotter with more energy than any of those loads...

[@ToolsandTargets]

It really is.😣

[@_JimS]

This is another reason I reload. I can load to match the velocities of the rounds I want to carry....never wasting money on weak ammo like these. Good report T&T. We have been blessed with some nice weather this past week, I'm just a little southwest of you.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Absolutely. Thank you sir.😎👍

[@johnqpublic2718]

And this is one if the many reasons I got back into hand loading after acquiring a g20sf

[@ToolsandTargets]

That's definitely one way to know what you're getting.😎👍

[@andrewfossatti4937]

My issue is most off the shelf 10mm is all this stuff… the only way to get hit 10mm for me is ordering it.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, it's a shame.

[@josephpacchetti5997]

I agree with you on the range ammo being close in performance to your carry ammo, I use the same weight projectile for both, THX, Have a great weekend.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. You too!

[@Adam-nv9zo]

You are definitely providing a service to the people. Thank you for that. I wouldn't mind seeing the same test with 9mm. Awesome video, as always, brother.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate that!

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Thank you, thank you. This does the 10mm crowd a real service. My choice was the Sig Elite 180 fmj. I got nearly 1250 avg out of my G29. Pretty decent recoil But the Fenix fmj & JHP were over 1300 and you knew it was real 10mm. Funny though my S&B and Armscor were exact opposite of your results. 1050s Armscor and 1080s S&B. Armscor was kinda smoky & dirty in my results. You would like that Fenix ammo. Thanks again.

[@Lakanen263]

Yeah most of the 10mm I have seems like it’s loaded like 40

[@ToolsandTargets]

I'll have to check it out. I think someone else mentioned Fenix ammo in another caliber before.😎👍

[@christopherbishop4927]

@@ToolsandTargets Fenix is from Novi, Michigan, problem is they haven't had jhp/defense rounds since Wuhan hit.........

[@tedcollins4684]

It seems like modern 10mm ammo power has been reduced across the board. I would like to see this testing in different calibers. I don't see much opportunity to train with something other than this common range ammo due to cost. Thank you T&T.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Sad, but true.😎👍

[@frankreinhardt441]

Most modern 357 mag ammo has been watered down as well

[@chrisgabbert658]

👍😊🎯 a person needs to understand it’s different and deal with it. 😁 I do the 44 thing from nice to ouch.

[@ToolsandTargets]

All the POWAH!💥🔥💥

[@williamgaines9784]

It is okay to use weaker for trigger time, just as it is okay to dry fire for trigger time. The thing I would do would be to shoot a mag of full bore/carry at the end of a session, always on multiple targets at varying ranges. If one changes ammo at the end of a year, or whatever interval they choose, of carry, those rounds should be expended in a drill that simulates a deadly encounter.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@chretired]

Good info Tools. I can see using this stuff for the range but with the caveat that it's just junk ammo for play. When I was working in the gun store I always told people to get extra defensive loads and shoot it so you know what it's going to feel like and know how it will perform in your gun. I agree with your opinion of those rounds, really weak for the supposedly "high powered" 10 mmm. I could do just as good, maybe slightly better, with a 40 cal. Be vigilant and always be safe my friend.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. 10mm is definitely a caliber where reloading is a huge plus for range ammo.

[@johnnyv.223]

Thank you for a broad selection of range ammo that you demonstrated. These might be a good choice for someone who's shy about recoil. I always learn something from your videos, Sir!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate you always checking out the videos!

[@fivespeed3026]

If they’re recoil shy, the 10mm is not a good choice...unless they’re using this range ammo.

[@nigeltheoutlaw]

Dude, if someone is recoil shy, they shouldn't be touching a 40, let alone a 10. Maybe a 380 or 32 acp would be in order.

[@fivespeed3026]

@@nigeltheoutlaw You should try the Beretta 1934 .380. It is quite snappy.

[@nigeltheoutlaw]

@@fivespeed3026 I have no doubt, 380 isn't that weak of a caliber realistically speaking. I personally think smaller calibers like 25, 32, 22 magnum should be more popular for weak and female shooters for that exact reason.

[@docholliday1588]

When I liked your video I was number 243. Winchester lol. I delivere chemicals to Berry's bullet manufacturer, I got to see their process on how they get the copper to attach to the lead bullets. its a copper plating process, and when have to make the copper plating thicker to hold up to higher velocities, it can take up to 12 to 20 hours. Pretty interesting.

[@WvMnts]

Sounds pretty interesting I reload a lot of berrys

[@ToolsandTargets]

Nice. I have some of their stuff for loading.

[@docholliday1588]

Ya I watched your video when you tested one of hollow points. There older ones had a thinner plating so you couldn't get to high on the velocity so now putting a thicker plating on them. I enjoyed your last video with 10mm ,and your spot on about shooting range ammo, practicing with the same velocity ammo you carry. Thanks for the reply. Keep up the good work.

[@ToolsandTargets]

@@docholliday1588 Appreciate that.😎👍

[@thatsmytwocents4372]

Thank you Tools !!! As always, Good Info !!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@Lexicologist1971]

I occasionally trained with 9mm Blazer Brass. When I carried that gun, it was loaded with 124 gr. Gold Dots. When I got to 500 rounds through my P938, I tested the Gold Dots for function. The recoil was noticeably greater. After that, I practiced with Winchester 9mm NATO. That was a much closer match.

[@timjohnson8390]

Seems to me in my experience most new manufactured 10mm is watered down even for 40cal. Have to search for boutique ammo for real full power 10mm

[@tedcollins4684]

Yes, seems that way.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep

[@steveb6103]

The downloading continues. When 10mm first came out, it was loaded hot. Not any better than 40 cal. Now. And I only shoot my reloads for training. And that's loaded to be the same as my carry ammunition.

[@ToolsandTargets]

It really is a shame.

[@Bob-lq9ys]

Great info, keep doing a great job and keeping people informed

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@rsbreeze]

Ammo companies aren't stupid, if they loaded 10mm at full spec they wouldn't sell any. The FBI proved most people can't handle full house 10mm loads so they went to the .40 Short & Wimpy. If you want good plinking ammo loaded better, the Sig 180g fmj is about the best I've tested. It reload using their recipe at about 1250 fos out ifqq+ a 5 inch Sig P220 Hunter. Also, I got qqq50 fps higher numbers on the PPU and S&B on same chrono. I shoot at 1000 feet msl and no humidity.

[@ToolsandTargets]

The FBI proved the soy drinking pansies in the FBI these days can't handle full power 10mm loads.

[@frank6029]

Great test. Thanks Tools Stay Safe and God Bless 🙏🙏

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@muzy125]

You couldn't be more correct Tools. It reminds me of years ago when folks had only stoked their 357 Magnums with light 38 Special target loads. When the time came to fire the Magnums rounds (especially the 125 grain load) a lot of people were shocked by the additional blast and recoil and couldn't control the rounds well enough to be proficient. Weak ammo is great for plinking but is a poor choice for training.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep, it's a whole different experience going from weak to full power stuff.

[@codynipper2460]

This is exactly the reason i went back to 40 for my woods gun while hunting. Hard to find good 10mm unless u buy strictly from underwood or buffalo bore.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Mhmm

[@MidnightSvn]

Same, 10mm just hype, went back to .40 as woods gun

[@johnnymccann5607]

retired and a life long reloader we who reload really have few limitations except certain supplies . I've sat today studying 357 magnum loads to find the highest energy power on my bullets with the lowest chamber pressure. I'll be testing two new Taurus 605 defenders a 2 in and a3 in. these will be self defense and hunting which is legal in my state. anything over 22 pistol and no minimum barrel length requirements for deer hunting.or most anything else. if I didn't reload it's too expensive to do reasonable testing. I wish every shooter had it so good. papa wishing you well

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Reloading is definitely a huge plus for calibers like this.

[@charlesmullins3238]

On avg I got round 200fps more from a 6” 1911 on 180 blazer…only brand I’ve tested outta those..hst’s to hard to come by to sling em in the dirt..lol..but we all know there results…especially from 6” barrel…I’m gonna test with my 5” specialist some and will report in so anyone interested will know…almost broke 3300 from 130tmk 6.5prc today usin ol h4350…h1000 is what I’m waitin on…thanks man

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate ya, brother!😎👊

[@Fyoutube444]

If you use the 180 grain Blazer on the 5-inch please let me know the results please and thank you sir!

[@charlesmullins3238]

@@Fyoutube444 you bet…

[@Rk-mz4bb]

Seems the last 2 years been a lot of bad ammo. When I see a fairly good deal on 38 357 or 44 mag I buy it for the case's. A shooting range is fairly close but everyone seems to shoot 9mm or 556. I enjoy making my own and it's better. I can't target shoot with this watered down stuff. Some people think it's them when it's inconsistent ammo. Shooting it is easier than pulling the bullet and faster. Then make something decent. I agree with you good video.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Buying certain ammo for the brass is cheaper than buying the plain brass these days.😆

[@roberthill6554]

I EDC a 9mm Pistol and carry +P Speer Gold Dots or + P HST's . I plink with Winchester NATO 124 gr , it definitely emulates +P recoil and is far less cheaper.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Great idea.😎👍

[@allenbolen9705]

Great idea I would love to see more test like this! 9 mm, 380 please

[@tedcollins4684]

Yes, those would be great! I have those calibers and .45. Really hoping to see more tests like this. I feel it is important information.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@billdubois56]

Another very informative video Brotha ..

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate you!😎👊

[@Nutty.357]

The PMC are subsonic :D I think usually you just buy whatever is cheapest when it is available and it is ok to stay tuned up but I would try to practice with something that is similar to what you will be carrying and should always do some amount of training with your carry round from time to time, even though it is expensive you have to know how it does and how you do with it! Good tests, I dont have a 10 but I am sure this is helpful to many! I wonder if some 40 might be hotter lol! have a good one! 💥💥👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, some of this stuff was sad.😆😆😆

[@jamesharrison2374]

I feel it depends on the person, if the full house hits within 1-2” of the practice ammo, practice with your firearms till you can do it with your eyes closed and constantly hit the targets as easy as you can breath. Use the lighter stuff to train. I shoot at a federal range, it is near the house. 60% of the shooters are the spray and pray category huge card board box at 5’ and can’t consistently hit it. Back in the day I shot 1000+ rounds a week in competition, I get stairs when I am shooting my GP-100 at 25 meters and getting quarter sized groups single handed. Practice, know the gun and ammo, be one with the firearm.

[@ToolsandTargets]

The problem is people out there with their double and triple taps with this watered down garbage thinking they're "proficient." It's a whole different world with full power 10mm. Practicing with this garbage in no way prepares you for full power 10mm. Same as .38 Special is night and day from full power .357. If you're already proficient and practice with the more powerful rounds, that's a different story than someone running nothing but this low powered junk and thinking it's gonna be the same story when they run the real stuff.

[@robertseafield5810]

Your trigger pull and sight picture is essential to accuracy. At home, a lot of combat competition shooters practice with no ammo. They dry fire with laser systems. Years ago I was shooting combat at 2 clubs. I practiced with 22lr conversions in the 1911. I also had an AR-15 22lr for rifle competition. This system really works. And saves you a lot of money. I would have used the laser system, but they were not out yet. I used 230 gr ball equivalent 45 ACP handloads for competition. On the other hand, you are right about the 10mm. It does have a pretty good snap with full loads. If someone chooses this round for carry, they would have to practice a lot to get used to the recoil when shooting fast. Anything that slows you down too much could be a problem. Good video. Col. Jeff Cooper theorized that a 200 gr flat point 40 cal bullet at 1200 fps would be the ultimate "manstopper". Since the Alaskans started using a similar 10mm load to successfully stop Grizzly Bears, he might be right.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👍

[@TheCrewChief374]

Tools, I agree the Richard Simmons work it until it burns is the way to go😁

[@ToolsandTargets]

🔥🔥🕺🔥🔥

[@geraldbatts575]

Was always a CCI fan so usually gravitate towards the blazer brass. I had a good deal on some CCI lawman ammo in the blue box at one time, was really good stuff. Seemed to be loaded hitter than the blazer. Usually decent price and never had a quality issue and fairly easy to get relatively speaking. The imports will do in a pinch but lots of times will have that weird stinky primer mix 😆. Nice video man thanks for putting in the work.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@Dwayne7834]

Good information. I try to practice with a round as close as I can get to my Carry round. Thanks for the video.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👍

[@Swampytheroot]

I bought a case of the 1776 brand 10mm with 125gr composite (?) frangible ammo. It runs about 1250 fps from a 4" M&P 2.0 10mm; exactly what a Winchester 9mm NATO 124gr runs from a G34. So, as a 10mm for power, it's kinda useless. But it gives single digit extreme spreads. So it's a great target load. That Blazer might also be amazing for target or competition work. Find the bright spots where you can 😅

[@matthewtalich9989]

I've noticed this with allot of heavy calibers. The training ammo is wildly different from the service/defensive grade ammo. Similar problems in 45acp. I've found the best way to compensate is to somewhat regularly expel carry loads when wrapping up range visits while only using target fmj to supplement volume or as a warm up. Not to mention its good to expel old ammo you don't want to rely your life on old ammo even if it was premium when you bought it. I actually know a guy who curses a reputable brand of ammo as unreliable because he had a fail to fire but he often forgets to mention that it was with ammo he carried every day for nearly a decade.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Not a bad idea.😎👍

[@furmanmackey5479]

Back when dinosaurs walked the earth and revolvers were standard issue to most law enforcement agencies it was very common for departments to utilize full wadcutter (target) ammo for qualification purposes while issuing 125grn SJHP and/or 158grn LSWCHP +P ammo to the "troops" for duty carry. The only time an officer "trained" with the duty ammo was maybe once a year when the old duty ammo was rotated out for fresh stuff while the full wadcutter ammo remained the standard for qualification purposes. Spent cases were policed up, military style, and sent off to one then major reloading company for "credit" toward the purchase of more full wadcutter training ammo.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Doesn't surprise me one bit.

[@garyglenn5233]

PPU ammo just sucks. I've got a couple boxes of 185 gr 45 acp HPs and honestly they're not much better than plain ol FMJs. The lead is way too hard to expand and bullets lose their jackets. That's the only kinda pro with that stuff. Two holes with one shot might make a teeny bit of difference. I'd advise everybody to only use PPU ammo for target practice unless that's the only thing you've possibly got. A 45 hole is still a 45 hole. Personally I'll stick with higher priced proven ammo because my life is priceless .

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@clintjarvis13]

Once again you prove why you’re my go to source for information just like this. Thanks for all you do brother!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that!😎👊

[@Kaelland]

The original design requirement for 10mm Auto was for a 200-grain bullet fired from a 5" barrel to have an impact velocity of at least 1000 feet per second at 50 meters. That gives it an impact velocity of 444 energy foot pounds. Of course, only one of these rounds even has a 200-grain bullet to begin with, and it performed pretty poorly. To know if you have *true* 10mm ammo, you need to know how fast it's going at 50 meters so you can calculate the energy there, as that gives you a data point you can compare regardless of bullet weight and velocity. What you can deduce from velocity and energy at the muzzle is that if it's below 444 fpe at the muzzle, it's definitely going to be below it at 50 meters. The S&B, PPU, and PMC can be written off right away. They're below 444 fpe at the muzzle. They're definitely not going to be going faster at 50 meters than they are at the muzzle, so they're done. I sincerely doubt that the SinterFire ammo would retain enough velocity to be at or above 444 fpe at 50 meters. The Blazer and Armscor might maybe retain enough velocity and energy to stay around the 440-ish fpe mark at 50 yards, but I wouldn't hold my breath. The AmmoInc stuff looks the most promising of that bunch since it's starting at 509 fpe. If it does a decent job of retaining velocity, it should still be above that 444 fpe threshold at 50 meters. I suppose that we don't necessarily have to hold 444 fpe at 50 meters as an inviolable absolute, but any ammo claiming to be "10mm" ammo ought to be at least crowding that metric. Otherwise, it's just overpriced .40 S&W in a long case.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@scottodonahoe9505]

I bought some 250 grain wad cutters for my 45 Vaquero thinking they would be good for range ammo due to the price . I would have no problem using them for self defense ! They hit like a brick !

[@ToolsandTargets]

Big ol hunks of lead!😎👊

[@scottodonahoe9505]

@@ToolsandTargets I got 350 Grizzly rounds that are rounded and don't seem to hit as hard as the flat wad cutters . Just sayin !

[@leskrug9266]

And yet another great video mr. Tool. This is my take on it. Why somebody would shoot the lesser powerful 10 mm you have to realize in the last 3 years you had? How many millions of new shooters have never even owned a gun before? I have a brother that bought five guns within a year and he hasn't touched a gun in 45 years. He's 59 years old. So maybe they're just buying whatever's cheapest so they can just practice with it and then they'll figure it out eventually. I've always been on the mindset. The same thing you say practice with what you're going to carry same velocities whether it's full male jackets or the hollow points. Same grain bullet. Same velocities within 50 ft of each other. And everything I have the PPU 180 grain 10 mm and it doesn't fit in my Rock Island armory magazine. I can get two shells in there. Then the bolts start hitting same thing with the two Wilson combat 10 mm magazines that I bought. They do not fit in that single stock magazine on my Rock Island or those closing combats. And I bought 10 boxes of them because I was out of Dunham's 2 years ago and they had them on sale for 27 bucks a box. So I bought them so whether I get another 10 mm or not all depends on which one I decide I'm going with. I'd like to have that double stack Rock Island with the four and a half inch barrel. I believe it. They called the government model or the top 10 or something like that. But anyways, like I said another great video and have a great weekend!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate you!😎👊

[@legacyAF]

Laughing out loud. I carry a .40 S&W, about the same speeds 1000 or so with the same 180gr projectile....what's that mean?lol

[@ToolsandTargets]

Sad stuff for a 10mm😆

[@tedcollins4684]

I noticed the same thing. Were there problems with some of the tools? Did they have to weaken it? I would pick .40 because even during the shortage it was available and better cost.

[@davidrdanner4232]

I believe you should use training ammo closest to your preferred cary ammo! Just my opinion 🤷

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed😎👍

[@rileyneufeld7001]

S&B and PMC 9mm ball seems to be fairly stout. Blazer brass, norma, and federal ball doesn't seem quite as snappy. 9mm in general doesn't seem to vary a whole bunch compared to 10mm which can range from mild 40 s&w up to true 10mm which rivals 357 magnum energy.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, 10mm definitely gets watered down a lot more than some others.

[@thomasdodd4462]

Thanks for showing us these results! I’ve always been a fan of using my hand loads to achieve full horse 10mm. For handloading, I’ve learned I can push a 180 grain around 1300-1350 fps. After that, I feel I’m pushing the limits of the recoil system and the brass

[@ToolsandTargets]

That's where I would want it too. 1300 to 1350 for 180 I think is the sweet spot.

[@bluecollaramerican3884]

My pick for slow af are armscor pmc and ammo inc.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😆

[@semlohde1]

S&B is all I can get locally. If it shows at the 2 other places it's rare and way expensive. It has the same kick in my XDME 3.8 as my .40. 1052 sounds about right for S&B. Thanks, but it's 40 kickin'. I get some V-Crown hp and believe it's a bit stronger.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Perfectly acceptable for .40S&W.😎👍

[@kathygates8845]

GREAT VIDEO TOOL ... !!!!!!! THANK YOU FOR PULLING THE SMOKE AND MIRRORS BACK .... !!!!!!! { { { STRAIGHT TO THE JUGULAR .... !!!!!!!! } } } GREAT VIDEO ... !!!!!!! DOUBLE G. HERE....!!!!!!!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate you!

[@gamerwinner4982]

Good video. disappointed to buy 10mm ammo and not get the power. The ammo should at least more power than 40sw

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Agreed.

[@PatriotPaulUSA]

Imagine the point of aim/point of impact shift, between these, and some full power 10mm. Its crazy they load this ball ammo so low on power. Great job, as always showing the truth, Tools!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, that's another thing people don't think about when they're ok with weak 10mm. Thank you sir.😎👊

[@salextodd2]

As always, I love you Tools for bringing facts that most of us would never know (trusting in “Brand Names”)! I have one 10mm - and as your recent test confirmed - I have varied accuracy depending on what I was at the Range shooting at the time. This test is confirming that I need to leave this weapon at home and trust my .45 and 9mm options. Thanks again, Tools!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. It's a shame how manufacturers treat 10mm ammo.😣

[@robmartin9069]

The video was very informative. Thank you . Haven’t been too disappointed w Blazer for plinking. A little partial though since it’s made in the town where I grew up. My ammo store down the road just picked up a pallet of Sig 180gr FMJ. 34.99 a box. Real stuff. I about soiled myself. I was a kid in a ammo candy store

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@workout1520]

Awesome analysis.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@Skewerz9]

this might be a good video to revisit with the 16" barrel

[@gort4016]

T&T - Interesting stuff and not really surprising at all to me. I ran 2 boxes of 50 of the PMC Bronze through my new 10mm Springfield XDm Elite to break it in and test function which was fine. I then ran a box of Underwoods through it. Holy Samole what a difference. The PPU's felt like .40 S&W compared to the Underwoods. This video is a good heads-up for the new 10mm owners out there.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I imagine a lot of people who have a 10mm gun have never even fired anything close to full power 10mm.

[@mgriffin12]

I run the blazer for range practice. It seemed powerful until I started running Liberty and Underwood. But I still keep a lot of it. 50 cents per round is much better than spending $1-$2 per round for the hot stuff

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, A lot of people probably have no idea what full power 10mm feels like because of all the weak fmj out there now.

[@jeffreyrobertson7652]

Really enjoy your video Tools learn a lot from them Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong 🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@GSAZYNSKI]

Sell-yay and Bell-o. How did a Czech company get a French name? Great proper pronunciation, Tools. 😉 Definitely better than 'Byoona Vista'.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😆😆😆

[@texasbeast239]

S&B was founded by a couple of Frenchies named Louis Sellier and Jean Belloit. They were royal loyalists who had fled France during the revolution and ended up in Germany. That the company left Germany and ended up in Czech country isn't too surprising, either. They are a high volume producer, which is something. But their quality is mediocre.

[@randalbigirvirvin1153]

I didn't realize that they used different size primers. That seems like it could be an aggravation for hand loaders.

[@charlesmullins3238]

I used both and work with 180gr and 135gr hp and would have to bear down with crono to see any difference…just went with mag primers and all cases will handle pressure wise and was the most fun I’ve ever had shootin canned food and water bottles..I stay above 1300 for everything 10mm and 135s run 1550fps…6”

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, more time sorting brass.😆

[@charlesphillips5906]

You got that right! Kinda hard to fit a large pistol primer in a small pistol primer pocket! 🤬

[@charlesmullins3238]

@@charlesphillips5906 I had hawk and animal swing by climb to the top rope and drive em home…works every time

[@billdye3530]

Good info. Wondering since Blazer was up there in speed if small primer helped? Along with right powder. Interesting on some but others went as expected. Thanks. 👍 🙏 🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

That caught my attention too.

[@billdye3530]

​@@ToolsandTargetsNow if we can just get somebody to compare 40 caliber. 😆 Little details like primer etc. can make a difference. Fps on all was more consistent with less deviation that I expected. Great job.

[@ToolsandTargets]

@@billdye3530 Thank you sir.😎👍

[@BulletsB4Guns_2A]

I use the sane ammo I use for my edc & HD weapons... I feel it's important to train with the sane ammo you use for SD.. It can be expensive, but it's worth it... Good video Tools

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed. Thank you sir.

[@HeartsOfDarkness]

Excellent point on training with a loading similar to your carry ammo. Interesting to see how 40S&W FMJ compares to the 10mm. Thanks for the testing and info. Channels content and host never disappoint, two 👍🏻.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@paisleyprince5280]

I'd have to see the video again but I'm certain Paul Harrell had a presentation where he showed range 40 and 10mm fired from very similar pistols performed essentially the same. I'm a huge 10mm fan but I certainly don't like getting ripped off.

[@Lakanen263]

Thanks for the video.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate you checkin it out!😎👍

[@Paladin1873]

Light bullets may be fine for the 40 S&W, but I prefer heavier bullets in the 10mm. I never go below 180 grains, and these are a mix of factory JHPs and factory practice reloads that perform about as weakly at the ones you tested. I much prefer 200 grain and up, so I keep some Buffalo Bore on hand. The company rates both their 200 FMJ and 220 grain solid lead loads at 1200 fps, though I was unable to verify the make, model, or barrel length of the pistol they used in their testing. Out of my Glock 20 with its factory 4.61" barrel I've clocked their 200 grain FMJ at an average speed of 1172 fps. Their 220 grain lead was only slightly slower at 1152 fps. None of the rounds I tested achieved 1200 fps. When I replaced my 4.6" barrel with a 6" barrel, the 200 grain loads jumped to an average velocity of 1256 fps, with 1271 fps being the highest speed recorded. As a result, I purchased a Glock 40 because I use the 10mm as a full size field gun, not as a concealment pistol, and I want to wring all the performance out of it I can. Regarding the idea of training with heavy loads, I suppose if you can afford it, do it. But at $2.00+ per round, that's going to be some mighty expensive shooting. Reloading is only an option if you have a suitable cache of affordable primers. As for performance, like most other factory ammo, regardless of caliber, the 10mm cartridge is under-loaded. I presume the major ammo makers are worried about liability if they increase the amount of powder in the case. They also wish to maximize their profits. This conservative and stingy approach has allowed boutique manufacturers to own the high performance market and charge scalper prices. If only it were not so (sigh).

[@ToolsandTargets]

Buffalo Bore 180 is my pick for 10mm. Over 1300 from the Glock 20.

[@lorenharrison8580]

Thanks for the good info on the 10mm . Thinking about picking up a RIA 10. What do you think about your RIA 45acp?

[@ToolsandTargets]

It has been absolutely perfect. I think they're great guns.😎👍

[@jeffwilson1217]

Loren, I have a RIA 1911a1 fs single stack, chambered in 10mm. It's been flawless, and pretty darn accurate. They're supposedly, made in the Philippines, on the same machines they made the Colts on...atleast, that's what I've read.

[@lorenharrison8580]

@@jeffwilson1217 Thanks Jeff , I just have to convince my wife I need another pistol!

[@jeffwilson1217]

@@lorenharrison8580 😂, ain't that the truth! Tell her how versatile the 1911 is. I just finished hand fitting a 40s&w barrel, purchased off Rock's website, with a 16 pound spring. You can use the 10mm magazines! Plan on getting the 22 TCM conversion kit, in the future. Then, with IT'S slide, you can, then get the 38 super, and 9mm barrels!

[@redskinfaithful]

Thank you for the great content. Keep those videos coming!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate you, brother!😎👊

[@dietrichjohnson9556]

This was good info. It's not the easiest to get but Underwood has 180gr fmj range ammo but it's onlyisted at 1250. I don't use a lot of range ammo in 10 mm as I use underwood 220 HC, and 180 fmj range ammo is just weak sauce and not comparable practice. With all the new 10mm handgun options you would think there would be a push to have really 10mm ammo. Great video.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. 10mm is definitely one of those calibers where reloading is a huge plus.

[@timdavis5813]

I use both when shooting practice rounds and my defense rounds. Shoot more practice rounds cause it's cheaper. But still shoot my defense rounds just so I know where to aim at and feel the difference in recoil. Good video thank you.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👍

[@jungblud59]

Great video! Excellent content you present to us. Those are definitely underpowered loads for 10mm, (called FBI loads). I carry a 10mm in the Northwoods with me, I use 10mm mag brass from starline, it's got a thicker web and slightly thicker walls. I trim to length, deburr and chamfer, then load. For my woods carry ammo, I load 220 grain flat nosed copper plated bullets that chrono at 1230+ FPS. Now you see why I use beefed up brass. In the city I carry a 40, 45, or 9mm. I try to hand load my target ammo as close to the same velocity with the same bullet weights as my carry ammo for obvious reasons. I never knew there was such a thing as small primered 10mm brass, even an old goat like me learns new things once in a while! Again, great vid, thanks for sharing.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. That sounds like some spicy stuff!😎👍

[@YellowHammer26]

👍👍nice job tools

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@danlindgren4290]

The only 2 decent 10mm FMJ range ammo I have found is Underwood and Sig Sauer. Identical ballistics (180 gr at 1250 fps) and really close in price when you figure in shipping for the Underwood and markup for the Sig. However, at around 80 cents a pop, you’re paying 50 to 100 percent more than the stuff you tested here.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep

[@richardmoss586]

That Sinterfire has the same box stats as the 1776 USA ammo I've been seeing on ammoseek, anyone tried those yet? The price is usually less than 17.00 a box....

[@ToolsandTargets]

Hmmm

[@richarddixon7276]

Have to agree , You really should use the same ammo for practice as You would when out in the field , but if availability & cost are a factor then Anything is better than nothing . Thanks for another excellent episode . Shoot Straight Stay Safe & Stay Well.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@jamesc28]

Very disappointed in the PPU. The 357 sig PPU is one of the hottest rounds in 357 sig.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I really thought it would be movin on pretty good.🤷‍♂️

[@crankygunreviews]

I think some manufacturers load much slower than when rounds were first released because everyone is sue happy these days. The consistency on most of these was pretty exceptional. PPU was kind of all over the place…

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah. Weak wrists and guns.😆

[@leroycaudill96]

Good video Tool's some interesting velocities out of this ammo test.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. They sure are being stingy with the powder.

[@absolute99proof]

I love these videos. They really are informative. Some results are very eye-opening.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you ma'am. I imagine most people never have a clue what the ammo they're buying is like and have to trust these companies.

[@absolute99proof]

@Tools&Targets the even harsher reality is that what's on the shelves now is more than likely what was made during the pandemic demand, and quality control went kaput. Seen and have heard many rumors/stories on poor manufacturing.

[@leonhart2452]

I think the Sinter Fire uses bullet made from sintered copper and tin with a coating of nylon. 1776 ammo uses the same bullet in their lead free line pistol ammo.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Interesting

[@leonhart2452]

@@ToolsandTargets Paul Harrel just did a 1776 ammo review part two today. Part one was just comparing velocity and accuracy. Today he shot them into his meat target. A lot of people requested it. After watching it I went to the1776 ammo site and did some research on the bullet construction. Might want to take a look.

[@ToolsandTargets]

@@leonhart2452 They're completely different bullets. These Sinterfire NXG rounds use a solid copper monolithic bullet. This isn't their frangible stuff.

[@l.a.3887]

Looks like you have to load your own to get good velocity great job 👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep. Thank you sir.😎👊

[@coldfront7914]

I got 1107 from my S&B with a 5.4" barrel. SD of 11. Still weak for 10mm.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@JJ_SDWR]

Does the primer type matter? Especially in 357, I see a mix of silver/bronze primers

[@ToolsandTargets]

It shouldn't as long as they're the same type as far as sm/lg, pistol/rifle, etc.

[@scarifrougeone7225]

TOTALLY agreed with you on all that ammo. That’s really no difference with 9mm training is it? Anyway good test bud. Nice to see a huge variety of test ammo. Thanks for sharing be safe. 🇺🇸⭐️🇺🇸⭐️

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, not at all what I expect from 10mm.

[@chrisjensen9941]

I have noticed S&B to be very consistent, as well, in all calibers I use.

[@ToolsandTargets]

It definitely was on this one.😎👍

[@tedcollins4684]

Yep, very nice quality, it is hard to find on shelves now.

[@charlesphillips5906]

Would love to see a test like this with 9mm and short barrel.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@scottstewart5784]

NEW CONTRAPTION IDEA - to expand on your new series evaluating weak sauce practice ammo - point of aim differences between practice and carry ammos. You got the speed and penetration/expansion covered already, now invent a machine that holds pistols steady, because 1,000 rods of practice that's 4 inches off your carry point of aim is useless.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I would definitely need some type of vise to keep everything consistent. That's the main reason I don't even bother doing handgun ammo "accuracy testing." Way too much human error variable involved.

[@kimness7796]

Good job!!! Yes, .40 S&W speeds. But .40 ball ammo sucks likewise. I think the problem here is 1250 fps is tricky to load.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that😎👊

[@ram218313]

thanks for the video i absolutely love your content. i can just see using this ammo to help get acclimated with the firearm, plinking, or possibly shooting suppressed. if planning to train with defense rounds there are much hotter rounds out there to train with.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that!😎👍

[@SuspiciousGanymede]

When I hear 10mm I think underwood! Sig is pretty hot for a factory load. Sadly most of the commercial rounds are .40 power.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@trustnot9]

Great test , Your videos are enjoyable to watch and informative, Thank you.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you again, my friend!😎👊

[@trustnot9]

@@ToolsandTargets Your very welcome.

[@lens7859]

You are correct, if you are carrying +p in a sig p365 better know what it feels like , can’t control it like regular 115grain plinking ammo.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep. The recoil, sound, flash in low light. All of it is a huge difference. These people out here thinking they're Tactical Tommy because they can triple tap with their plinking ammo, are clueless about what the real stuff would feel like.

[@lens7859]

@@ToolsandTargets you are so correct, the problem and I am guilty a little bit is the cost. It is hard to blow through 50 rounds of the carry ammo,💸💰

[@GunsmithSid]

The PPU is not a plated bullet. FPJ stands for Full Profile Jacket, and it is a conventional drawn jacket except it has a flat nose.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@buyaj7693]

Based on specs i have only found underwood range ammo and magtech range ammo to be close to real 10mm

[@keithtate1241]

Thanks for the information ☺️

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@mojogogo1773]

Great job! Love the content you put out!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@leeb3602]

It cost a little more but I prefer sig ball ammo for the range

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@Whitefeather83]

from my experience it is hotter and closer to 10mm