Top 10 Moves on Bottom 10 Characters (Smash 4)

[@adamjsher04]

Aw man. Ya can't just throw DEDEDE in the thumbnail and not talk about him. Needless to say I was Dededisappointed

[@PogaltaEditz]

The Irish Elite He has no moves good enough to talk about.

[@adamjsher04]

BlueChicken fair enough. Still a Dedede main though

[@pihinkguy]

I'm a simple man. I see Dedede in the thumbnail, I click. I was disappointed. Now I have crippling Dededepression.

[@PogaltaEditz]

The Irish Elite I am also an Irish D3 main :D

[@PogaltaEditz]

Plasma Kirby Rip.

[@Pur3AGL]

That Giant Chargeable Ball Projectile Tier List is very accurate, and that makes it funnier.

[@Weebabuu]

Pureeey But BJ Should be on the bottom below mega man

[@LordSpinduh]

Mewtwo should be first

[@danielblack5196]

Naw Lucario's is much more useful uncharged and it becomes pretty much unstoppable when he gets a good amount of aura. It also gets MASSIVE and extremely hard to avoid. Plus it has a hitbox that can be wave bounced or b reversed into a guaranteed upsmash, up air, or grab (depending on percents). Mewtwo should be above Samus though because he can charge in in the air and gets more movement options off of it.

[@Pur3AGL]

Daniel Black Not to mention how good it is for catching recoveries and for ledge trapping.

[@danielblack5196]

Yeah! And when it actually is fired, instead of being smaller and moving up and down in order to cover more vertical distance like Mewtwo's does, its size covers that much vertical area without moving up and down, so you don't have to get lucky by having the ball cover the ledge by being at the perfect time when the ball is closest to the floor. Much easier to two frame people with it on the ledge! (plus, like you mentioned, charging the ball at the ledge is one of the best ledge traps in the game.) And even uncharged aura sphere has tons of hitstun when you have a lot of aura so you can easily zone people out with mini aura spheres mixed with runback force palm to guarantee distance between Lucario and most characters without specific movement options to counter this kind of defensive play. Samus and Mewtwo's charge shots are just not dynamic at all and has more limited uses (even though at most percents they do preform the most obvious use of "giant chargeable ball" more effectively since they do more damage and have more knockback without requiring aura.)

[@skiboutins]

“Ganons Up Smash can kill even the heaviest characters at lower than 80%” yeah with just a t e e n s y bit of rage

[@nessandlucas782]

Correct

[@Mittens_28]

"Ganon is bad because everything except his moves are bad" lool so true, his up smash, up air and bair are all some the actual best moves in the game, put them on someone with even moderate speed and you have a broken character

[@smx744]

Do a top 10 of worst atacks of top 10 characters please

[@rubberwoody]

Smash Master X thought about doing it. Wrote an outline for the script and found out there wasn't much comedic potential in it, as most of it would be "this move isn't very good with an otherwise cohesive kit" -Wood

[@thehuffpuff10]

Would still be cool anyways.

[@ComradeVenus]

Bayonetta: Lol none of her moves are bad Cloud: His throws are not that great. Diddy: Jetpack is really bad. Very weak hitbox, requires to be charged to go anywhere, and is easily gimped. Sheik: Grenade is really underwhelming. Low power, long startup, windbox is not that strong, and leaves you in freefall for some reason. Rosa: idk Zero Suit: Dair is underwhelming. High landing lag, high startup, and using it offstage is just a suicide. Fox: None of his moves are inherently bad, but definitely reflector is the most underwhelming, with a poor hitbox. Sonic: Homing attack. I don't really need to say much, it just is so laggy and borderline unuseable. Mario: Dair is definitely one of his worst moves. It isn't BAD, just more underwhelming. Multi hit, so it can be sdi'd, doesn't deal much damage, and doesn't lead into much. Mewtwo: Disable. Seriously, it is so situational that it's pretty much unuseable. Small hitbox and requires the opponent to be facing you. It is also a projectile for some reason, meaning that it CAN be reflected and you can get stunned instead. The stun also doesn't last that long unless you are at high percents, which at that point, you might as well just use up throw. God this move is so bad.

[@rubberwoody]

lol this man saying mario's dair doesn't lead into much. Jokes aside mario's dair is one of his best moves. I'd put ftilt on there first as for disable i asked wadi and he said ftilt because it's a redundant move

[@ComradeVenus]

Oh duh I am an idiot. Yeah Dair can lead into fair.

[@waldorf07]

This was one of the greatest smash videos I've ever watched, literally in tears laughing so hard at the Ganon up smash part and Mii Gunner Fair part. Great stuff!

[@godlikelobster0180]

Waldorf Imagine if Mario had Gannon’s side b! Instant jab locks, cape mind games, easy tech chases. Or sonic with Gannon’s side b, now we’re talking.

[@cpwcomputerplayerwill]

When he pulls up the tier list... *And every character I use is there*

[@RockruffRuinsGames]

Well.. yeah. The tier list does have every character. :)

[@iweerd_rain7074]

Dr Mario whyyyyyy!!!

[@Pootis-hn3ky]

Ah yes! the tier list here is made of characters

[@fromundaman]

Loved this. Had me laughing out loud a lot. Only thing I'm surprised at is Ganon Bair not being an honorable mention. That move is stupid good too. Like you said though, the problem with Ganon isn't a lack of good moves haha.

[@PBLKGaming]

fromundaman ganon bair was on the short list. Was ultimately cut due to Ganon being overrepresented and being objectively worse than the falcon equivalent due to lack of safe landing lag and lingering hitbox -Wood

[@fromundaman]

Ah okay that makes sense. Thanks.

[@ranya5456]

Falcon’s is faster and combos better, but the move only works good on Ganon and Falcon and characters like Mario would have a difficult time with both combos, and with recovering from them

[@monsieurbobblehead3854]

Soooo.... what is the problem with Ganon? Lack of move synergy? Lack of combo potential?

[@quirijnv6793]

He's fat and slow.

[@jediritterger]

R.I.P Ganondorf Up-Smash. I will miss You in Smash Ultimate :(

[@lmao2302]

Ganon's sword moves are shit. Up smash or riot.

[@op-physics]

They can leave his new Down smash though

[@researchinbreeder]

Down Smash is much better bc it hits lower and is faster. Forward Smash is... meh? It's got better range, but unless it's stronger than his original one the lag will hurt. And he had one of, if not THE, best Up Smash in the game, so the sword is a strict nerf there.

[@phosforek7343]

When the FBI finds your google searches. Ummm... no

[@eragon78]

+JedritterGER Up air got nerfed too. Its slower and it's hitboxes are much worse. that said, Ganon's nair is KILLER now.

[@Marcifar]

Deep Breathing dude. Not only it heals you and buffs you, it's an invaluable tool to control WFT in the air. You're able to avoid so many aerial moves other characters simply couldn't because of it.

[@rubberwoody]

"I was going to put deep breathing on the list. I reached out to John Numbers and the rest of the WFT discord. They decided Sun Salutation was better." - Wood

[@curtisbrown547]

Considering its a down b im gonna say you've got a uphill battle ahead of you trying to sell it to a cloud main.

[@GoonCommander]

Imagine limit break Blurring blade or whatever mii sword fighters neutral B is The multi hit jab thing

[@himonfukwe]

I'd say Header is also really good. Like DB, it's good for air stalling, and it's generally a pretty good projectile, has some versatility with Header cancel setups and different angles, and then there's the header spike, all of which makes it difficult to edgeguard her. WFT's problems are that most of her standard moves have bad hitboxes/poor range (and laggy smashes) and crappy grab/pummel/throws... her specials aren't the problem at all (ok, maybe Super Hoop. The occasional stage spike notwithstanding). (But I can see that Deep Breathing could be even more potent on characters with better kill moves. But gotta keep in mind what they might be giving up... Bouncing Fish for Deep Breathing maybe not so great?)

[@stevenliang3213]

MPP : I can see why header might be a contender but not deep breathing. It takes WAY TOO LONG to recharge and the effects only lasts a mere 8-10 seconds. Not nearly enough to warrant it to be on this list

[@buckethead11001]

Really solid opinions man, overall entertaining and interesting video.

[@ProfessorBear404]

Kirby’s Dair has ridiculous combo potential on stage, and amazing edgeguarding potential off stage, I think it deserves a spot on the list.

[@coolbob863]

KIRBYS HAMMER IS OP WHY WAS IT NOT MENTIONED?!?!

[@quantumstormgames2741]

Jon Kukaj Is this a joke?

[@someoneimportant2517]

12:17 "I can't think of anything bad with this move except that it's attached to ganon." Well, can't argue with that.

[@n1ghtshade759]

Damn. This showed up in my recommended today, and i have to say, I had to instantly subscribe after hearing "In the year of our lord Sakurai 2018". Perfect

[@KingOfWizards]

But rollout is the best move

[@ninjoewd4900]

KingOfWizards yes

[@berrymaple]

Surprised rest isn't on the list.

[@sonnytuwun7704]

KingOfWizards NO YOU IDIOT LITTLE MAC UP B

[@meggy8875]

Sonny Tuwun mac's up b isn't his worst move

[@B.B.B]

@//Cassiopeya Plus\\ pjiggles approves

[@BromanderInChief]

Ganon’s up-air is not only one his most satisfying kill or combo moves, but seriously one of the best edgeguarding tools in the game, period.

[@mooseyluke]

I care not what the meta says; Ganondorf is the most fun to use character in the game

[@benro6564]

Welp apparently Ganondorf is superbuffed in Ultimate so say goodbye to your special little main

[@XAVIER-se9wz]

IntroverseYT If he's getting buffed why would he be saying goodbye?

[@seba6326]

Son Gohan well he’s getting a pretty big change and he will see a lot more play

[@PandaFan2443]

Shulk is in my opinion.

[@PALWolfOS]

I will always love the janky shenanigans that Shulk’s monado arts and odd hitboxes pull off

[@figurativefluff]

thank you for mentioning gunner fair

[@lizzerd5112]

Remember when falco was S tier in melee?

[@Ari.1460]

Remember when he was A tier in brawl?

[@lapplandkun9273]

pepperidge farms remember

[@namkwal]

@legendaryGhostsan21 shine shine shine shine shine shine shine shine shine shine...

[@aidenbar511]

Ari and better than fox in that game as well.....

[@FigureFarter]

Sheik was #1 on the tier list

[@sup3p]

Pretty surprised Rest didn't make it on honorable mentions. I don't think it's good enough for the top 10 itself but I thought it was at least good enough for honorable. Regardless, this was a really entertaining video! I'd love to see more content like this!

[@TheChucknoxus]

Imagine rest on a character that isn't the lightest and floatiest in the game. The risk to reward ratio would be much better.

[@PBLKGaming]

sup3p rest was cut early on due to the thought of "would a top tier character want this?" And since cloud barely uses an arguably better version in finishing touch, I decided against it. Lack of reasonable hitbox doesn't help. And killing at 50-60 isn't impressive when high tiers can do that with a grab combo. -Wood

[@mcgoldenblade4765]

Despite being one of Jigg's best moves, it's still actually kinda bad.

[@divinearclight]

Will you cover ultimate on release you explain so well?

[@_frection_419]

PushBlockGaming Content "Would a top tier want this?" Answer = yes, they would be able to combo into it super easily

[@greeneggsandbaky600]

Why is this in my recommended in September 2019?

[@MfwPrivate]

I dunno

[@lordfoogthe2st720]

Me neither

[@roquey44]

Idk

[@shieldlesscap6124]

Mostly to remind us of how much better Smash 4’s KZbin scene was

[@Godzillabrawler]

How have I not seen this channel before? This is great. Subscribed.

[@woomykong4717]

What was the music at number 10

[@PBLKGaming]

Kim Eversole Wii sports boxing

[@lakaillax69]

Darude-Sandstorm

[@dddmemaybe]

Wiid-arude sports: sandstorm boxing

[@Reefer-Rampage69]

Darude

[@ivanmartinez2129]

@@lakaillax69 stop the jokes old

[@blorfblorfington449]

I don’t usually subscribe to channels after one video, but you’ve definitely earned it.

[@Zastralord]

Super interesting Video! I think Bowser Juniors f-smash deserves a mention; it has very low endlag, is powerful and can catch people on ledge get up when angled down

[@MikeDaddy]

I’m hoping Ganondorf will be top tier in Ultimate

[@tat2wallace]

Mike-Daddy Yeah he's my main

[@ssarco1428]

His moveset seems to be the same just at longer range. He's still slow on the air with a weak double jump and an okay recovery. Maybe d tier?

[@extremekiwi101]

oofles have you seen his aerial cancels and startups due to his decreased jumpsquat?

[@olivermisbach2454]

I was fortunate enough to try Ganon in Ultimate at E3 this year. And he felt GOOD to play. Ganon benefits from the general system changes more than most of the cast. His neutral doesn't feel garbage anymore (it's still not the best though). But I think the most influential changes were to his smash attacks and his side-B. His smash attacks have longer startup (say goodbye to lagless up-smash) and more power. Meaning getting a good read is even deadlier. Down-smash is basically Cloud's down-smash. I felt no differences, so that's going to be a very useful tool. His side-B on the ground has a big change. The opponent can act out of being hit a LOT faster than in Smash 4, and tech-chases are basically guesses now. No more reacting to their wakeup. In short, Ganon seems to be turning into a read-heavy powerhouse with even stronger Smash attacks (Ganon is top-tier in 4-player free for all. If that matters).

[@ssarco1428]

Oliver Misbach good to know my guy

[@ComradeVenus]

I thought kirby's dair would be in honorable mentions. It has so much utility, as it can gimp opponents, be a combo starter, and be a combo extender. It's landing hitbox is just insane, as it leads into any fast move, and it can also lead into a footstool. Of course, it does have a lot of startup, so it would definitely be on honorable mentions.

[@subspacevelvet]

Kian Barbieri Or his down tilt. It's pretty safe, and if it trios then it can lead into Fsmash

[@ComradeVenus]

If down tilt would make it, then up tilt sure as hell would. It is quick, a combo starter and extender, it unstales moves, can be used as an anti-air, and his foot is intangible (which means the hitbox is basically disjointed). This move is a far better canidate than his down tilt.

[@subspacevelvet]

Can't argue with that. Yeah, his up tilt is amazing

[@kendukin9725]

Kirby's dair is one of the most overrated moves in existence. It is by far one of the most telegraphed tools in the game, and even with good play it is pretty reactable to most characters with a decent anti-air. Also, you can SDI behind kirby pretty easily so all he can get is an uptilt, which doesn't really do much past low percent where it chains to itself. Granted, I do play Bowser where I can just pivot grab/uptilt/upsmash basically all of Kirby's moves, so I may be a little biased, but for the most part what I said applies to everyone who fights any Kirby player.

[@edgyemogirl666]

You've got a pretty damn good sense of humor. Love the for glory Ganon call out.

[@1uparcade33]

Damn this video was actually hilarious. I was interested in the list but I didn’t expect it to have so many funny jokes in it. As for moves that I think could’ve had a spot, Pac-Man’s up-B is actually broken. I know Fruit sort of have a lot more utility, but the properties of Trampoline are so stupid. It’s frame 1, and since it’s an up-B, you can use it directly out of shield without jumping or dropping shield, making it the fastest OoS option in the game. It also beats shield, so it’s essentially guaranteed damage in most cases since it’s so fast. It’s also super hard to punish, since you have to jump over Trampoline to get past it. It’s also not a bad recovery tool either, but perhaps the biggest benefit of it is that it singlehandedly makes a ton of matchups a lot easier. Sonic now has to approach you aerially instead of Spindashing around everywhere, Diddy Kong is forced into the air, which isn’t ideal since his air speed is bad, and Little Mac kind of just can’t do anything against it.

[@ClintonKE]

1up, yeah its very good but how many people would actually trade their up b for it? While it has all of those things it is also vulnerable to gimps and as far as utility use wise some up b actually have more utility in theirs IMO. Ness for example. Ness is also super open to gimps to the point where his recovery is one of the worse in the game. However, his PKT has a few million uses with it as well. Such as being one of the moves that can screw around with Bayonetta hard. Besides adding damage and screwing with even her recovery it has a nasty trick to it. Did you know that if Ness is witch time'd while in PKT1 the thunder still works as normal?

[@1uparcade33]

Clint Mario, Rosa, Cloud, Luigi, Fox, Diddy off the top of my head would all benefit

[@ClintonKE]

Rosa, Cloud, and Fox. But You really wanna take away Mario's ladder ender, Luigi's 70% KO move, and Diddy's wild cards? Cloud and Fox still had uses on their Up specials as well I should add.

[@1uparcade33]

Clint I think that Luigi and Diddy Kong would get a lot more benefit from a broken OoS option that gets them out of close range situations safely rather than random gimmicky up specials that aren’t great for recovery.

[@ultimaterecoil1136]

1UP Arcade also it can be used as a ledge trap that basically makes it so you only have to cover jump and drop down which can be done with an apple.

[@pinkbowtie909]

why is Deedeedee in the thumbnail if he's not even mentionned once

[@mitrimind1027]

Actually he was mentioned once when they had Ganondorf up smash him XD.

[@PBLKGaming]

"I told my thumbnail guy 'put some really bad characters in the thumbnail so people know what it's about'" - WOOD

[@wambus0130]

i also came for ddd, but i his moves just aren't so good. it's too bad

[@coolbob863]

Same for Jigglypuff

[@coolbob863]

JIGGLYPUFF ROLLOUT

[@nobody5287]

Not having Dedede in the video when he's in the thumbnail Dededestroys me on the inside.

[@WhyDo]

Nice video! Was definitely expecting Hydrant though, it's one of the only moves in the game that does everything. BJ's Kart dash as well for being bootleg spindash and making the neutral crazy frustrating.

[@squirtleislife1312]

Bowser Jr's clown kart is good because of bowser jr himself. Same goes to pac man's hydrant. No high tier would like to have that move (well maybe megaman thats it)

[@roryrainbow77]

Kart dash actually sucks lmao.

[@squirtleislife1312]

Aurora Yoshi (RapidRhythm77) true

[@roryrainbow77]

Squirtle is life in fact I'll elaborate. This move as a concept is incredible for a burst option to set up with or kill with. Both hits of spin out can be safe on some shields if you have to deal with shield, it's greatest weakness. It even has 6% super armour on the kart itself, meaning you can use a zoning option from the opponent as an opening for it. As a neutral tool it is not an option... It is a huge commitment, especially if you use its jump AND especially if the opponent blocks. The best neutral trick it has is using its kart dash jump and fading away, not approaching, because approaching with it can put you in danger, especially characters that can carry you offstage. Kart dash jump cancel also counts as your jump so being put offstage, you now have lost TWO of your recovery options and only have up b which is easily telegraphed. To not jump, you have to commit to the long end lag of spin out This move has a good balance factor at least. Fantastic recovery versatility, using its spin out you can stall and cover horizontal distance, AND keep kart dash as a recovery tool. You only lose kart dash if the game registers you jumping out of it. This also helps give him more landing options too. Without this tool bowser jr would never land tbh. One more fun thing about spin out, off the ledge from the correct hieight, you can cancel your landing moment into a slide allowing to make distance and break pressure, or set up a early percent lock (ooooo) As a punish (but not a fast enough one) sets up for damage and kills very reliably landed successfully. The weaknesses mentioned seriously hold this move back. It could be a broken good move if it wasn't so commital.

[@squirtleislife1312]

Aurora Yoshi (RapidRhythm77) I know the move I main bowser jr😂

[@HoseB932]

2:10 The first time I heard you roast diddy at this part. I didn't find it, THAT funny But now it just makes me laugh SO much

[@trickygriffongaming3473]

Sorta surprised to not see faore’s wind on here. The early kill confirms are quite nasty. Overall great vid though

[@cullenhutchison6528]

I'm surprised Kirby's down air wasn't on the list. Out for a long time, spikes, has multiple hits, combos into a footstool offstage, and easily leads to combos and kill confirms onstage; I've even gotten jab resets by landing a middle hit while drifting away. It doesn't have great range, but neither do many good characters' moves. Also, rarely do many high tier characters get such utility from their down airs, beyond just spiking or jab resetting at low percent. Imagine Sheik or Diddy with Kirby's down air. The combos would be insane-Sheik could use it to start/reset a combo, get a grab, or find a kill confirm, as well as having a safe spike offstage, while Diddy could follow it up at any percent with neutral options or a kill confirm. Many other characters would benefit as well. Bayo and Cloud might want to keep their own down air, but some others would gladly trade theirs for Kirby's.

[@BirdOfCreation]

That was actually really nice. I'm so on board with you about Zelda's dair x)

[@ninjoewd4900]

Dedede and puff weren’t mentioned at all on this list even though their major flaws are their weight Like, where was sing and jet hammer on this list????

[@JTF544]

Wooper Dooper lol

[@stopthecringe9124]

did you just say sing was good

[@ninjoewd4900]

StopThe CRINGE! No I was saying it was amazing

[@zachs.4371]

Some Bob on the internet that's rest, sing is the broken one that puts you to sleep with only 2 years of lag

[@omlett6482]

That's a pretty accurate (and hilarious) list and if it was Bottom 15 Characters (i.e. Tier E or lower) instead, then the best move would probably be G&W UpSmash (that move is just ridiculous)

[@friizing]

Opening song is from Naruto, in case anyone didn’t know

[@rymiledge893]

which opening?

[@pekopop5753]

Rymiledge blue bird ikimono gakari

[@megadunsparce3672]

What about the song that came out after that?

[@gracefulcharity8412]

Man your content is amazing and very well done. I wish I found this stuff earlier. Keep it up!

[@nesstendoyt]

Umm, what? Doc bair isn't ANYWHERE on this list? I know you sort of teased it when talking about Kirby's bair, as like a joke or whatever. But like, why didn't you give it a place on the list? It's frame 5, is safe on shield, has good knockback and damage output, has a nice hitbox, combos into itself, jab locks, and is easily Dr. Mario's best neutral tool, if not his best move period. Is there any specific reason it wasn't on this list?

[@rubberwoody]

NesstendoYT it is worse than the Mario equivalent due to worse landing lag. Kirby and falcos bair are better. They kill earlier and have more versatility

[@nesstendoyt]

rubberwoody it's arguably better than Mario's because of Doc's lowered jump height. It's also safer on shield than Mario's. Idk, there's an argument for Kirby and Falco bair being higher maybe, but imo it deserves to be on this list because of the sheer utility and raw strength it has.

[@rubberwoody]

Doc's bair is -6 on shield at best, Mario's is -4 on shield. It is not safer than marios. Doc's jump height is irrelevant as the moves are being analyzed in a vacuum, but if you want to compare that, mario's jump height allows him to get 2 bairs out of a short hop, making it much safer as it causes the opponent to guess after the first bair. Doc cannot do that. As far as raw strength goes it is 38th, in between wario and palutena. kirby is 18th, between bowser jr and marth tipper. Falco is 8th, between robin levin bair and ike.

[@trexfan9]

uhm Doc's bair only has more landing lag than marios...which doesn't matter when it's auto canceled (which they have the same window) it does higher dmg which means greater shield push making it safer. marios bair does less % dmg and less knock back. Not sure how where you learned that mario's is safer, but Kurogane hammer lists Marios as -19 and doc's as -17......Doc's is def not worse than mario's dude

[@rubberwoody]

using the smash 4 calculator I used "perfect landing" to get the shield advantage. I did not do autocancel. landing bairs are just as important as autocancel bairs.

[@edwardperez3535]

Dude this was awesome. Great presentation, great info. Can't wait to see more. Subbed.

[@chrisbuskirk5098]

Great list, as for recommendations...maybe dedede's n-air?

[@tommydlh]

Chris Buskirk I think Dedede's down tilt is better than his nair. I'd even put nair at number 3 or 4 behind his back air and/or neutral special

[@chrisbuskirk5098]

D-tilt has no hitbox directly on dedede, and high-tiers (using cloud, bayonetta, mario, and sonic as example) typically have pretty good d-tilts , although it does come out in very few frames, i would say n-air has a better hitbox while coming out just as early

[@ianfarrick1501]

Dedede's bair should replace mecha koopa on the lst. It has a girthy range/hitbox for spacing, and kills somewhat early. Also, his fair can jab reset.

[@chrisbuskirk5098]

*girth*

[@PogaltaEditz]

Fanboy Let's plays! It's too slow.

[@Caaarl_]

OMG This video was great! keep up the good work!

[@YodaCageSpeedruns]

Tbh both jr f-smash and side-b are better than mecha koopa. Mecha koopa can be really useful, but it's usually punishable in neutral due to the ridiculous endlag. Opponents can also prevent the explosion by z dropping it and catching it again, and it's very easily catchable in the first place if the opponent has practiced it. F-smash is a low-endlag kill move that's safe on shield, generally safe in neutral, and very useful for ledgetrapping. Side-b is jr's main neutral option and his best combo starter, as well as a very good recovery tool. In addition, landing a side-b at kill percent leads into jr's kill confirm, which is side-b up-b hammer. Both these moves are more useful for jr than mecha koopa.

[@MrNioMoon]

Yoda_Cage I agree w you 100%

[@squirtleislife1312]

Side b is good because of nowser jr himself, low tiers have better approaches or can't use the move properly, plus it takes your jump away. Fsmash is slow with small hitboxes and the animation is too long to end, but it is way better than mechakoopa. The move nobody talks about is his up tilt. It's basically mario's but more damge and range

[@YodaCageSpeedruns]

Side b only takes your jump away if you haven't used it before. You can jump -> side b -> jump. Also, if you do the spinout of side b in midair, you can side b again without hitting the ground. Fsmash is not slow at all. It comes out on frame 18 and has only 18 frames of endlag too, making it pretty much unpunishable on shield. Also, tell me the hitbox is small after looking at this: imgur.com/EdPu2dn. Uptilt is a good combo tool if you can land one, but its knockback is much higher than mario's up-tilt, meaning you can't chain as many together. Also, doesn't really have a hitbox on the lower end, meaning its almost impossible to start a combo with it on a grounded opponent. Even if you land it, it won't start comboing until closer to mid percents, because if the opponent is at a lower percent, they will probably be able to act out of hitstun and escape before the jr can get another up tilt or other combo move out.

[@squirtleislife1312]

Yoda_Cage ok u tilt is not that good, but side b struggles against projectiles and disjointed hitboxes on the ground and you can't double jump to run. Without a good landing tool you are gonna get punished, and it's slow and predictable. Again, the kart dash is good thanks to jr's dijointed cannonballs and the settups with his up air, mechakoopas and up b. F smash is good, but every top tier has a decent f smash or don'need it at all

[@LieseFury]

y'all saying 18 frames is unpunishable proves this ain't a fighting game tbh, reacting in 18 frames is babby's first block

[@Steelix100]

was literally waiting for ganon uair the whole video, grinned ear to ear when it was set as #1 that move is so amazing oml

[@darkshiloh]

this man played 30 by fukkit, respect has skyrocketed

[@zandershepherd4746]

Great video! I still love Wii Fit Trainer's side-b. A fast reliable projectile, which also allows for solid mix-ups, and a fast hitbox with a spike to boot. Definitely one of my favourites

[@outrash2117]

Super Dedede Jump deserves a mention. It goes ridiculously high and has super armor. I can imagine a character like Diddy or Cloud use it even better than Dedede.

[@RubberD3]

recovering is all the move is good for. It works well on D3 because he has his multi jumps and survivability to accompany it but on a character with only a single double jump the move wouldn't be so great

[@TheGamer-be5lh]

Plus, recovery is the only thing you can use it for. That type of endlag is super punishable, and the stars don't trip people up as much as they need to

[@silasnichols7593]

I’m imagining cloud use that move, and it’s even funnier than dedede using it

[@snestalgic0106]

It's actually garbage, you have to grab ledge with it or you've got 9 years of lag. Also gotta hope your opponent doesn't have a command grab like Falcon, Diddy, Ganon, Kirby list goes on

[@killermemesatareasonablepr9707]

OU Trash *Your name and profile picture speaks to me on a spiritual level.*

[@Robcarpentier12]

You killed it with this vid. Good shit man.

[@isaacsmith2997]

Mecha Koopa just isn't that good. It has tons of start up and ending lag, which means it can be difficult to actually use, plus it can be picked up off the ground by your opponent. It can be a useful tool, but it isn't a top ten move, and I doubt most top tiers would want to exchange their down specials for this move.

[@stevenliang3213]

Isaac Smith : I am a Rosalina and Luma main and I would take my star bits over Mechakoopa any day. Especially since Starbits cannot be reflected or absorbed. I agree with you that most top tiers wouldn’t give up any of their special moves for this move but what about Ryu’s Hadoken? That move is rather meh as a projectile.

[@Jarekthegamingdragon]

No mention of ganon's flame choke. One of the best command grabs with the most versatile options.

[@its_me_jamie]

Really good video. Good work.

[@minin911]

"It won't be making the bottom half of the list" Except it's the 6th out of 10 moves you presented in chronological order

[@freesample4353]

Am i the only one who watches this vid multiple times idek why

[@lucykoo7859]

Aww I was really hoping to see Zelda’s up-B ^^;; At least as an honorable mention lol Crazy good, hard to gimp recovery, fantastic stage mobility on stages with platforms, and the elevator combo is one of the safest, earliest, flashiest kill confirms there is XD

[@Bloops]

Didn't let you use my montage fyi lol

[@wolfgangfrederick5167]

You deserve more subs, this is great!!

[@OminousSlush]

When this guy says PGR tierlist does he mean Smashboards. Cause PGR and SB backroom are two different things.

[@PBLKGaming]

Yeah, KZbin nukeled annotations or else I'd throw one up

[@shieldlesscap6124]

I’m kind of surprised at lack of Flame Choke. Not even referring to Ganoncide, but think about how good people would be with the tech chases if they actually played the character and practiced using Flame Choke.

[@smashkart7129]

Give all these moves to sonic and bayonetta will be pleading for mercy

[@scottmaxey6300]

This is pretty solid except the thing you didn’t mention when talking about Zelda’s down tilt in HMs is how long it lasts. The hitbox being out for so long makes 2-framing people with it super easy, and combine that with a top tier’s back or forward air (which it combos into) and you have an insanely good combo.

[@thrashes6208]

Where is DR Marios up b? As a DR Mario main i am severely disappointed! It comes out incredibly fast and has an enormous hit box allow you to basically spam it when getting combod and giving them a lot of damage along with being able to kill and it can even kill people from on stage when they are recovering giving one of the best 2 frame punishes in the game.

[@rubberwoody]

Thrashes it's worse than Mario's in almost every way and one of the reasons doc is so easy to gimp

[@thrashes6208]

I just personally prefer docs, ye sure they have similar startup but Dr marios has a bigger hitbox (much worse after t he first hit but the first hit is bigger). I just think it is one of the most overlooked moves as if you play with it for a while you notice just how good it is when it comes to killing/escaping combos. Its way worse at the end but it breaks you out of combos as well as a good neutral air (even better as the hitbox is bigger). The startup is incredibly fast and have you actually seen the hitbox at the start? It's huuge along with great knockback.

[@MrGameguyC]

Explain. Your claims mean nothing if you don't explain, woody.

[@gavind1363]

Simple: It goes nowhere. The only reason Doc is able to get back on stage 95% of the time is because of Tornado into Up-B and hope you're not edgegaurded. A good utility move, yes, but it is an atrociously bad recovery on its own. No one, except maybe Little Mac, would ever seriously consider having Doc's recovery over their own.

[@alfonsocastro623]

That moves trash. (Your opinion though) Its a worse version of Mario’s. It doesn’t go as high and most of the time you just use cyclone

[@peanutbutterpikachu]

What if there was a game mode called ditto mode? Where ditto is the only option, BUT, it can use any set of moves it wants from all existing characters in the game. It's one of the few things I could think of as a basis to make truly custom fighters. You can customize your own ditto to give it whatever moves you want.

[@picklelord2048]

0:00 that’s a naruto shipluden intro right? Lol

[@synthgirlfriend897]

wait help which one is it-

[@hazardous8301]

Funny thing is after you did Ganons up smash I didn’t know a character could be on the list multiple times and I was just like. HTF is his up air not on this list, and I almost made a comment questioning it when you were doing the honorable mentions but then decided to wait till after the video. Glad I did now XD

[@ryrybeucler2891]

Zelda up B kills

[@ABCDjjw]

Great list! Only thing I’d consider putting there is Zelda up-b. It combos into itself, gets you to ledge from basically anywhere, and is a fantastic movement option on non-DL triplat stages

[@andygranados63]

noice video

[@jjd4555]

I like how every mii gunner clip u had came from the only mii gunner main on the planet probably

[@Quoise_]

Ness is top 15 I swear

[@eliteteutonicknight1]

I love that Mii Chakram move on the sword fighter. It's a regular projectile with decent damage, range, quick, and it *goes through multiple opponents*, not to mention you can change it's direction. Pretty slick move. That's an honorable mention from me.

[@lexi3312]

the tier list is more a popularity contest than anything else. example: Pacman... insane projectile play, many options, and omni directional super armor, along with impressive stage control. Little Mac: his playstyle is meant to be stick to the ground, for he is basically unmatched if you know what you're doing. 1 or 2 hits and your opponent is K.O.ed. Just stick to what he's meant for.

[@PBLKGaming]

Alex Tolleson tier lists are based on results mostly

[@helvetica6189]

Yeah Pac-Man and Little Mac never make Top 24 at majors

[@aaronrafferty9362]

The problem with each of those characters is one massive flaw. With pacman, its his grab, this makes shield really strong against him, and so even though he should be able to have good pressure on shield with his projectiles and setups, the fact that he cant mixup into a reliable grab seriously hurts him. I actually do think pacman shouldnt be bottom 10, but hes not higher than lower mid tier. Little mac actually has two flaws in one. Being in the air in general is terrible for him. His aerials are awful, and he cant move vertically well at all, since his jumps suck. This makes platform camping stupidly effective versus him. So sure, a little mac player wants to play on the ground, but if the opponent bans fd and platform camps, theres not much of anything mac can do about it. And also he can die in a few hits too because of his recovery. A bad throw game is just a nail in the coffin, as it makes being grabbed not a threat. All of this is the reason little mac is probably bottom 10 even though he has one of the best great ground games outside of grab.

[@benro6564]

In most cases a character is made good based on if they can work around their weaknesses. Cloud for example has very bad recovery, although not as bad as mac, but also has amazing aerials unlike Mac and is still great on the ground. This becomes more evident as you go down the places of the list. While Luigi is still high tier in my opinion at least, and he may have amazing upsides, he has crippling downsides as well. Luigi has possibly the most insane comeback potential in the game. One wrong move and you can get grabbed for an 80% combo or gimped at literally any % and die. The balance however is Luigi's vulnerability to combos and having a kind of large hitbox. The difference between Luigi and Mac is the fact that sometimes you simply can't control whether or not you end up in the air as Mac no matter how skilled you are, whereas a skilled Luigi can always avoid getting continuously comboed. In the end having insane positives and crippling weaknesses can only get you so far, which is why heavies are so underpowered mostly (SSB Ultimate may change that somewhat however)

[@ultimaterecoil1136]

IntroverseYT to be fair against non projectile characters he actually kinda can if he uses super armor efficiently heck I’ve done this to a bayonetta once. I actually have never lost to one with my Mac. Could just be I only fought terrible people that play her. Also when you are getting air juggles their are two moves that may help you. Side special if the opponent’s upward facing moves are very linearly up and don’t cover the area to the sides much like say paluntena’s up smash for instance side special can get you out of range. Number two is counter. Basically you have to predict wether they attack or not if they do counter it might not hit enemies below you but it does get you away from them. Also Mac can kinda break shields fairly easily with forward smash. Also the start up super armor on neutral special is you get out of combos free card. Also a decent approach in a few rare situations as a burst mobility option. Never full charge it though it has too much lag when full charged. It can still kill fine if you don’t full charge it.

[@1324cmoikev]

Zelda's neutral special. It reflects projectiles, does multi melee hits, is still in effect when it doesn't look like it does, it's an anti grab shield and it comes in an instant. I don't main Zelda a bit, but when I stumble with her on random when I play with my friends, they get really annoyed when I use it because of how good it is.

[@y.saknus]

Ganon F-Tilt

[@elim9054]

Ftilt is my personal favorite move in Ganon's moveset, even though it's not his best. Super satisfying to land, and anyone who has to rely on aerial drift for horizontal recovery gets absolutely fucked by it.

[@y.saknus]

@@elim9054 Yup

[@notjoestar7319]

If mario was low tier the whole video would be F O R W A R D A E R I EL

[@Antimony96]

Doc's fsmash?

[@DoctorCyan]

what planet are you living on? you could be clipping into Dr. Mario’s lab coat and it wouldnt connect

[@thrashes6208]

Doc's up b? Way better and to me is one of the best moves in the game.

[@toxiclightning5303]

Thrashes It’s a poor mans Luigi up special

[@thrashes6208]

The hell are you talking about, have you seen the hitbox of Dr marios Up b? Luigis is tiny and doesn't go as far and i would say is only slightly stronger at the strong box.The startup of DR marios Up B and it's hitbox make it better for escaping combos then his Nair.

[@toxiclightning5303]

Thrashes Docs doesn’t go far either and it’s more than slightly stronger, Luigi up b kills at 60-70 Docs won’t kill until like 110 at LEDGE and people can read the aggressive escape option and punish up b isn’t that good

[@crocketlawnchair259]

Where's the love for my boy Dedede and the Gordos? Excellent ledge coverage and easy shield traps

[@ryantam5826]

Anyone at 2019?

[@screenwatcher949]

Could you do a video on unfinished characters? that really intrigued me

[@rubberduck8096]

I wanted to watch this video, then it started with weeb music and I didn't want to watch it anymore.

[@snowmanmagik]

Although I was hoping Gannon upsmash would be all of numbers 1-10, this was a very solid list!

[@Shadow-or7dg]

MY MAIN IS AT #6! I'm So Proud Of Him. *Insert Proud Tears Here*

[@roryrainbow77]

Bless you for having mechakoopa on this list.

[@vDREEGONv]

Falco's backair is one of the few reasons why you shouldn't sleep on him xD Even if some ignorant tier lists has him at bottom 10, his bair like you said, would make any top tier character cry $_$

[@toxiclightning5303]

DreeGon You can punish with it like you do with dash attack

[@vDREEGONv]

Toxic Lightning It is falco's better dash attack xD

[@technopuff872]

lol as a 1111 sword mii main myself, I totally agree that the up air is probably the best move in their kit. I love how high a % the down throw to up air works, and then when your opponent gets to a higher percent, you can do 50-50s with up throw to up air

[@puffypuff3144]

Smash Flash 2 shows us just how obnoxious Mechakoopa can be on a top tier. Tails has an equivalent to this move in his Remote Robot up b, on a very fast character, and he was number 1 in the game for a healthy period. The sheer control, man. It's nuts.

[@Number_27]

1:42 What's the song name? I swear I remember hearing it a long time ago. Wait I just remembered as I was typing this comment. It's from Wii Sports.

[@matthewjones6786]

Heheh, tier lists be darned, every character is worth playing! :D (Heck, I go to a game design college, and the top dog of Sm4sh on campus mains Dedede. He's un-freakin'-touchable!)

[@helvetica6189]

Look at tournament results....

[@matthewjones6786]

I didn't say every character would yield consistent victories, I said every character is worth playing! All the characters are great in their own way, and I think it'd be a shame to ignore half of them just because other characters are easier to win with.

[@jeanegreene374]

Now that I think more about it, Farore's Wind would be awesome on a ton of top tiers. Bayonetta: One of the few characters that it would hurt (but she has the best up special in the game). Cloud: Gives him horizontal recovery, safe recovery, and yet another kill option. Diddy: Gives him safer recovery, in addition to a kill option at 70-90%. Sheik: Longer range, early kill option. Rosalina: Safe recovery, recovery even if faced away, yet another kill option. Zero Suit: Depends on your skill level. If you can combo aerial Farore's, then this is great. If not, is worse. Fox: Safe, longer recovery. Sonic: Another one that is up in the air, but if you land a Farore (first hit) near the top of the screen, you do get a KO. Mario: Much better recovery, another kill option Mewtwo: Upgraded teleport. Marth: Can recover horizontally, and recover safely. Ryu: Pros: Has much safer recovery. Don't need to read rolls to get a kill. Cons: No instant invincibility frames (rather, half a second later).

[@Purplepentapus_]

Honestly, mii swordfighter's chakram side special is actually really useful. It's probably not QUITE good enough to be on this list, and it's not the default side special, but I've recently found it to be an amazing tool with a lot of tech uses. I don't know the frame data on it, but it comes out almost instantly, ground and air. It can pass through enemies and/or hit multiple at once. For some reason it does impale itself into surfaces, but you can't actually pick it back up, so I wonder if they originally meant for you to be able to. The release window for it is maybe only 20-25 degrees up or down, but the angle can be adjusted really minutely within that range, with maybe 12-16 options total, so it has great coverage on angled surfaces. I'm not sure if changing the angle affects the damage or knockback at all, or anything else, like some forward smashes do, but it doesn't appear to. The damage on it honestly is pretty pitiful at a max of 6-7% IF all of the multi-hits land for the standard version of it, and I think the smash attack version only does 3 or 4%. However, the standard version locks enemies in place if they get caught in the multi-hits, which leaves them at a perfect range to follow up with a dash attack or a multitude of other options and combos. It can also be used OUT OF dash as an alternate to dash attack, which gives you an advantage in range and a dash of unpredictability. It can be used in the air and especially at edges or on short hop with its near instant release to cover both sides extremely well. I've found it quite effective to throw it behind you while retreating from an opponent. That can completely disrupt the advantage/disadvantage states and shake the opponents confidence in having the upper hand if they realize you have that option. The smash attack version doesn't have NEARLY as many technical applications, but its very high speed and fairly long range makes it a great poking tool and makes it much easier to address ranged opponents or just opponents at a distance. With the ability to adjust the angle so much, it's a really good option for horizontal edge guarding and gimping, and if an opponent is close enough to use the standard version you can even use that to set up for a kill confirm. When I first came across the move I looked at it's low damage and immediately thought it was a worthless move, but after I gave it a shot recently I realized how versatile it really is.

[@dizzyhungry]

The editing is top notch. Why don't you have more subs.

[@PBLKGaming]

We only rather recently spun off the Content Channel from the main VoDs channel.We're putting a lot into it and hoping it grows

[@CatholicismRules]

Ganon's Up Smash is actually very good at keeping opponents at the ledge. If someone is hanging on the ledge and you space yourself correctly: When they roll, you Up Smash. When they do a regular get up or get up attack, you down tilt. When they jump, you up-air.

[@theStridingRebel]

The mere noise of Ganondorf's up smash strikes fear into the heart of any player

[@RyanCG723]

I find the Mii Gunner's grenade special to be pretty fantastic. The explosion lasts, it charges pretty quickly, it's got a good radius, it's really fun and safe for edgeguarding. It's one of the more satisfying projectile specials, IMO.

[@FBI_Metal_Slime]

that's the best way to describe ganon I've ever seen, "ganon is bad because everything except his moves are bad"

[@mrdell47]

“I really can not think of a downside to this move, besides the fact that it is attached to Ganon.” amen

[@mightybear5441]

So all this time I've been mistaking Pac Man's bell for a pudding. My universe is falling apart.

[@mayauppstad9883]

Zelda up-b should be mentioned as well as bowser jr down-air and side-b and mii gunners down-smash. Other than that, beautiful work dude!

[@KunaiSapper]

As a Ganon main I appreciate the light this video can bring to the king of darkness