Top 10 Original Smash Moves That Became Canon

[@MockRockTalk]

Thanks for watching everyone, and let me know what you thought of the list! There are at least a few more candidates/possible candidates I had to exclude, if any of them definitely deserved to be here make sure to make your case, maybe there can be a follow up at some point! Also need to make a small correction: I had a comment point out that Bowser does something reminiscent of the Whirling Fortress in "Mario's Time Machine," a third-party educational game of all things for the NES. It's not quite the same thing, but if I'd known about it while making this video (the game is so obscure it doesn't even appear in most lists of Bowser appearances) I'd certainly have mentioned it. *Main channel:* kzbin.info *Twitter:* twitter.com/MrMockRock *Patreon:* www.patreon.com/mockrock *Twitch:* www.twitch.tv/mockrocktwitch *Teespring:* teespring.com/stores/mockrock *TimeBolt affiliate link* (excellent software I use to speed up editing on my videos, use code "MOCKROCK" for a discount): mockrock--timebolt.thrivecart.com/order-page/

[@williamhowells806]

roy as a character

[@StarmisYTP]

Luigi's modern grab. It came out into Ultimate before LM3 and didn't appear in Dark Moon.

[@martrewski7321]

Donkey Kong's air attack from DK64 very much resembles his forward air DK's big overhead attack that he does after beating his chest from Punch-Out!! (Wii) COULD be a reference to his forward air as well, maybe kinda? idk same could go for his "hayiah!" backhand sweep somewhat resembling his forward tilt

[@goldbananas608]

Dancing Blade/Shieldbreaker are also in Legendary Marth’s animations in Fire Emblem Heroes, the mobile game.

[@EmmEDroid]

2 that I really like that didn’t make the list is how 1- starting in star allies dedede’s ex boss form has him use the gordo toss side b from smash where he takes out Gordo’s and launches it towards you at different angles with his hammer 2- in Kirby planet Robobot’s Meta Knightmare Returns mode one of meta knights special moves is downright his brawl final smash Galaxia darkness

[@PineapplePineapplePineapplePin]

Fun Fact: Green Missile has also been in a game outside of Smash! Just once though. In Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games, each character had a special animation for boosting, and Luigi's he just launched himself just like in Smash. Always liked that and never seen anyone bring it up

[@Alesga03]

Twice, in Mario sports mix along with his dash attack

[@Ridlay_]

Nice!

[@LuigiLitoLL]

There's also the technicality that Green Missile had been used once before Smash Bros. though not in a game. During an episode (It was The Adventure of Sherlock Mario) of the Super Mario Bros. Super Show, the gang were fighting down on a bunch of koopas and you can see in a quick shot of Luigi using a launching sideways headbutt towards a koopa to knock him away.

[@hosni4064]

Luigi makes an animation similar to it in Mario Party Superstars if he gets 4th place in Peach's Birthday Cake

[@QT_Jeanne]

@@LuigiLitoLL Can you give me the link to that episode?

[@benial]

On a similar note for Captain Falcon, the Mute City track in Mario Kart 8 has a projector featuring him saying "Show me your moves!"

[@jakezepeda1267]

Im gonna look for that next time I play. The F Zero tracks are my favorite

[@andymcclurg9916]

Too bad he wasn't playable in that game

[@Shimofae]

@@andymcclurg9916 theres hope now... not a lot, but its still there.

[@NowWeJustWinIt]

@@Shimofae canonically accurate 1200cc F Zero Mode?

[@AAHBrawl13579]

​@@ShimofaeNot anymore! 😆🙁☹😞😭💔

[@MishKoz]

13:19 As a youtube commenter named Danksuna once said about this moment: "Canonically dying by going for the disrespect edge-guard I really can't see Captain Falcon going out any other way."

[@gormauslander]

Wait, he dies?

[@MishKoz]

@@gormauslander yeah he gets eviscerated along with Black Shadow. I've never actually seen much of the F-Zero anime outside of the Falcon Punch though.

[@silikerYT]

A few more... Kind Dedede never really threw around gordos until brawl, and never hit them with his hammer until smash 4, but star allies has him use an attack where he does, and since then, it's been a pretty iconic attack for him Meta knight's brawl/smash 4 final smash was original to smash, but planet robobot has him use it in meta knightmare returns King dedede even sits in his iconic crouching position from smash after you beat forgotten land even though modern kirby isn't made by sakurai anymore, they still love to reference smash... I just wish smash would do anything to reference modern kirby...

[@lluis640]

Meta knight's final smash from ultimate also appeared in the new Kirby games, they're not exactly the same move but they play exactly the same

[@cobaltordinaire5219]

Dedede also uses Gordo Throw in Forgotten Land, but technically only in the postgame

[@PipesTheVlob]

@@lluis640 that was the opposite he used it in star allies before ultimate

[@Gnarfledarf]

King Dedede does throw Gordos in one of the minigames in Kirby's Adventure. But yes, the Gordo Toss as part of Dedede's actual moveset is very clearly taken from Smash.

[@graftongazaway5633]

Also the smash ability in kirby amazing mirror, Kirby’s dream collection, and kirby planet robobot.

[@sarasaland4709]

Bowser literally spams Whirling Fortress in NSMBU’s final battle. He’s been playing Smash a lot.

[@bannles]

Lmao

[@KillaSardinez5656]

Just like actual Bowser players :o

[@mann-nova9392]

Iirc it mirrors the Koopa shells spinning more, doesn't it?

[@youtubewontletmetypeagoodu8128]

That boss fight is so good. I love the music too

[@PomadaGaming]

Lol yup

[@DeadweightLKS]

Fun fact: The "Zero Suit" also got that name from Smash first. Also wow, Bowser's Whirling Form is a huge one now that you mention it. It's pretty dang everywhere now, like NSMBU and Bowser's Fury

[@GBDupree]

I'm pretty sure Zero suit was used in the behind-the-scenes artwork for it on Zero Mission, so it was not mentioned in-game, but was still originally from Zero Mission.

[@magmarxiogaming6717]

i think the first time bowser did something like that was in mario and luigi partners in time, i might be wrong though

[@N12015]

@@magmarxiogaming6717 It was galaxy who made it first, and it was a rolling shell instead.

[@captainpep3]

@@magmarxiogaming6717 in BiS he has a special attack where he does the exact spinning fortress move in smash to bounce loopa shells at enemies

[@irishjet2687]

@@GBDupree You mean it was named the "Zero Suit"? Interesting. It just makes sense. The suit debuted in ZERO Mission. Even if it wasn't named that in development, I'd still have a hard time swallowing that the name is a "Smash original turned canon" moment.

[@exetone]

Another one I can think of is Peach's dash attack, which she later uses in Super Princess Peach on the DS

[@betchaos7383]

When?

[@youtubewontletmetypeagoodu8128]

Do you mean side b?

[@exetone]

@@youtubewontletmetypeagoodu8128 yep

[@csmash342]

nerdiest comment on KZbin wtf

[@exetone]

@@csmash342 bruh

[@wobbles3217]

On this topic, there is something interesting about Roy's sword in regards to smash vs his own game. In his original game, the binding blade does use fire as a ranged attack, but if you do any fire emblem romhacking you will discover something interesting: the fire may have originally been a placeholder animation. If you use romhacking tools to add a ranged attack to a sword, it defaults to the animation for the fire spell. The binding blade's lore describes it as more attuned to light magic. The theory is that since smash released before The Binding Blade and established the fire connection, the devs decided to just keep the original placeholder animation and just add a few more fire animations to the sword. Unconfirmed but still interesting

[@DSaC_]

I'm not an expert on romhacking, but I'm gonna assume it has more to do with Magic Swords and data storage. In FE6, the only 1-2 Range Swords are magic, and therefore need to draw a Spell animation when used at 2 Range. I assume that, due to a lack of instruction on *what* Spell animation should be used, it ends up loading the first one listed in the code, which would be the basic Fire spell.

[@wobbles3217]

@@DSaC_ kind of. If you use a romhacking tool to give a regular iron sword 1-2 range, it gives it the fire spell, but still calculates damage like a regular sword i.e. targeting defense. Fire is the default ranged attack animation when no range attack data is present or otherwise specified

[@DSaC_]

@@wobbles3217 The only real Magic Sword in Binding Blade (the Runesword) targets Def, even at 2 range. It would be more shocking if the hacked 1-2 Range Iron Sword targeted Res since the code that does that isn't even in the game.

[@RTU130]

Hmm

[@DrewPicklesTheDark]

@@DSaC_ Yeah but the Binding Blade uses a unique fire animation, not the fire tome animation.

[@amateraceon5202]

I think DK’s fair is the most interesting out of all these since it’s not even a special move and still made it into DK64 A fun fact about Whirling Fortress, he even uses it explicitly by name in Mario + Rabbids!

[@justinc.5591]

DK64 and Smash came out the same year so the move was probably created for DK64 first. I’d compare it more to Luigi’s grab in Ultimate which is based on Luigi’s Mansion 3 which came out the following year.

[@Moss_Dude]

I forgot he was even in that game, though I don't remember much from his boss fight.

[@Magic_Ice]

I like to think it was a coincidance both games had DK swing his massive arms in the air like that. I mean if you have a giant gorilla with large arms, what else would he do if he has to hit someone in the air?

[@Mr__Jack]

Honestly, I believe HAL got to see footage of DK64 in development from Rare to pull from too. DK’s forward tilt resembles the first hit of his basic attack in DK64 as well as his old dash attack slightly resembling the DK64 dash attack. Interestingly enough, FAir in Smash has DK flip and is faster while in DK64 it acts more like a sex kick would in Smash.

[@Ridlay_]

@@justinc.5591 Yeah this. That was my thoughts as well.

[@LegacyKricketune111]

Claw Dragging, as simple as it sounds, is a much less goofy sounding name for Ridley's Side B than "Space Pirate Rush" lmao

[@sethstoll8525]

I love space pirate rush though 😂😂 especially because it barely has anything to do with the attack, Ridley just wants to flex his cool job lol

[@monmagog]

Mythra’s censored spirit art made it into Xenoblade 2 as a costume for Mythra. Not a move but I think it’s cool

[@rosheafan]

What was it called, again? Massive Melee Mythra?

[@monmagog]

@@rosheafan I think so, but I don’t play Xenoblade so idk

[@Palestino099]

@@rosheafan yep Massive Melee Outfit

[@rosheafan]

@@Palestino099 Since then I actually bought and finished xc2 lmao 100 hours and just started Torna I played xc1de before I made that comment

[@delportaustin]

Another fact about Falcon Punch is that it’s canon to the games also in the F-Zero GX story mode ending theme. Naming the attack directly though we never see the good Captain use the attack anywhere else

[@PhazoGanon]

He does use it in the anime in the final episode to prevent Black Shadow from escaping the reactors explosion.

[@fallenrealm49]

I'm pretty sure he had a comic or manga in a game manual that he used the move it

[@Eichro]

I was about to point that out until I saw this post. I should mention the lyrics are absolutely insane so how much the falcon punch reference is worth might depend on who you ask.

[@rebirthphoenix5646]

Yeah I forgot the Falcon Punch was mentioned in the end credits of GX though the one in the anime isn’t considered canon to the main storyline. Would be cool to see it happen in a future mainline F-Zero game but I kind of also want his specials not to be featured in the games since they seem a tad extreme for my liking though then again GX showed that the series is pretty silly and whacky.

[@Mustare]

I was just about to say that

[@Magic_Ice]

A lot of Kirby characters have a ton of moves from smash. Meta Knight - Shuttle Loop and Galaxia Darkness (which they removed from Ultimate why) Dedede - He throws Gordos in his boss fights now. Kirby - Hammer Flip is now a charged move and the entire Smash Ability.

[@SonicTheCutehog]

Hammer Flip is debatable as the charge was from Super Star. Being able to move around during it is from Smash though.

[@dockingwater1713]

It's also very possible that the Dedede Hammer from the Masked Dedede fight in Super Star Ultra's Revenge of the King was inspired by the Jet Hammer

[@parzival-bo]

@@SonicTheCutehog Nah, Hammer Flip couldn't charge like that until Planet Robobot, specifically in the Team Kirby Clash sub-game, and that was released well after 4. Before then it acted more like a Falcon Punch.

[@Magic_Ice]

@@parzival-bo In that game the smash bros ability you did charge hammer flip unlike the hammer flip on the hammer ability

[@Magic_Ice]

@@dockingwater1713 I doubt it since both games came out extremely close to each other

[@bokobo6295]

Zero Mission did have a charging mechanic for the pistol though! Granted, it was an automatic charge rather than manual, so the concept of charging the paralyzer at will is definitely smash original, but the fact that only a fully charged shot would stun space pirates was pretty important to that section of zero mission

[@totalradicalness]

That part was so scary as a kid

[@admiraltechno1350]

One cool bit of “Smash moves that became canon” trivia that I don’t see many talk about is that in Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity, one of Calamity Ganon’s weakpoint attacks that he can use as playable character has him charge up his hand with Malice before dishing out a huge punch, with the animation for both the charge up and the pinch looking practically identical to his Flame Choke and Warlock Punch moves from Smash

[@PikaPhantomVG]

I read that they also gave Ganondorf Warlock Punch in the first game, too

[@Nosretep]

He does a Warlock Punch in a AoC cutscene too.

[@agentdon1760]

Something that didn't mention that I'm sure he could've mentioned after hero is Meta Knights old final smash Galaxia Darkness. It became a special move Meta Knight could use in Kirby Planet Robobot as one of his super moves. I'm not sure if it's canon or not but I feel that could be worth mentioning

[@Luigiofthegods]

Honorable mention: Samus's up tilt on Raven Beak, since he recontextualizes it from a standard axe kick into a devastating talon swipe

[@mr.mister3960]

My favorite example of this is Joker's Grappling Hook. He did not have this whatsoever in the original Persona 5, and as someone who's only played the expanded version, Persona 5 Royal, which came out after Joker's inclusion, it's impossible to tell.

[@ieatcereal4dinner489]

Actually, he uses one during menu transitions despite never actually being able to use one yourself in Vanilla 5. Still glad Royal added that though.

[@WaverlyAverly]

Royal was codeveloped with that DLC, it was in Persona first

[@Sergio-wc1wn]

Yeah like the other comments are saying the grappling hook was in Persona 5 it just wasn’t used in the palaces

[@im_skrunkly]

epic profile picture.

[@wingedbluj1674]

Sakurai just had inside information

[@agenthappypotato868]

I thought that Marth's Shield Breaker was based on his attack animation in his games? The fact that it breaks shields in Smash is also a reference to the Rapier in Fire Emblem, which pierces the defense of armored opponents.

[@hi-i-am-atan]

nop. in fact, shield breaker is basically the _opposite_ of his fe1 and fe3 animations. rather than a crouching over-shoulder thrust with a pronounced windup, he does a very quck under-shoulder thrust with a forward step, almost looking like a slash in fe1 ... in fact, it may just flat-out be a slash in fe1, but, uh, the animation leaves a _fair_ bit of room for interpretation

[@Compucles]

@@hi-i-am-atan Then again, Marth's Shield Breaker wasn't a thrusting attack in "Melee," either.

[@hi-i-am-atan]

@@Compucles it was also a downward slash from a stance with the sword held above the shoulder, still making it the exact opposite of his attack animations

[@RTU130]

Hmm

[@elemangell2981]

One of my favorite recent Smash references comes from Kirby and the Forgotten Land. I forget the specifics, but one of the arena's waiting room quotes from Commentator Waddle Dee says something along the lines of: "Our hero is a veteran to battle, folks. Some fighting circles call him "The Pink Demon." The Pink Demon is his title in the boxing ring stage in Smash Ultimate.

[@kirbystar0796]

The Arena description in Kirby Planet Robobot calls Kirby "The Pink Demon". In Smash 4, his Boxing Ring title was "The Pink Puffball". So it's like Smash referencing Kirby.

[@Luigiofthegods]

Also Dedede crouching

[@FedoraKirb]

Apparently “The Pink Demon” dates all the way back to Kirby Super Star but was lost in translation because 90s, and was likely brought back in Robobot after it was referenced in Smash 4. But considering most people only recognized it from Smash, it makes this a REALLY recursive reference.

[@agenthappypotato868]

What I find funny about Joker's grappling hook in Smash is that it works the opposite of how it does in Persona 5 Royal. While using the grappling hook on opponents in Smash brings them to you, using it in Royal actually brings you to enemies for an easier ambush. If anything, Byleth's use of the Sword of the Creator in his up special is more accurate to how the grappling hook is used in Royal.

[@ShinxBOOM247]

2:07 the Smash copy ability has also showed up in 2 more modern Kirby games: Kirby Dream Collection, and Kirby Planet Robobot. In those games, the moveset is largely the same as in Amazing Mirror save for it getting a new dash attack, which is pretty blatantly Kirby's Fsmash in the Smash series. Just another fun incorporation if that moveset into his home series as well

[@Liezuli]

Another example from Fire Emblem is Roy's spirit in Shadows of Valentia. Prior to smash 4, Roy never used backhanded slashes, but in SoV, his 2 attack animations are backhanded slashes that look extremely similar to his jab and ftilt in smash

[@jorgehuertas3995]

Uprisings Pit has to be top 1. Literally his whole moveset started on Smash. Edit: Now that I realise trophies are also a thing in Uprising and unlockable pannels and plenty more.

[@richardadamson1438]

Mostly because Sakurai made the more modern version of Pit.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@richardadamson1438 Kid icarus uprising made because Satoru Iwata wanted Sakurai to make an action game on the 3ds.

[@Eichro]

Unlockable panels originate from Kirby Air Ride, not Brawl.

[@richardadamson1438]

@@Eichro My point still stands with modern Pit, Though.

[@plentyofpaper]

"While he hasn't had an active hand in Kirby's development in some time..." This was spoken as Kirby was doing battle with a giant hand.

[@pandawholikesSetItOff]

Timing 1000

[@TheAntiburglar]

Oooooooooh this is an interesting idea! I don't think I ever really considered it beyond Falcon Punch :D

[@Ghostflowers]

Just as he was about to reveal his last/#1 pick, I see your comment and went, "OF COURSE!"

[@YadonTheCat]

I'm so glad you mentioned the DoA crossover, that's such an easy one to forget

[@Theduk9890]

The Kirby series takes a lot of thing from smash, including but not limited to: MetaKnight's improved design (original was more kirby like) The Improved Metaknight logo Dedede throwing Waddle dees and Gordos Dedede's dair was became the Hammer twirl for the Hammer Ability since RtDl

[@dustymcwari4468]

HAL loves to reference everything about Kirby, including Smash and sometimes the anime, it’s pretty cool

[@Mr_Magolor]

Actually the Meta Knight Logo originated from the anime. It can promently be seen on the Halberd, however it looked pretty simple back then. The improved design was taken from Brawl tough.

[@Theduk9890]

@@Mr_Magolor huh thanks 👍

[@Eichro]

It also got a spot dodge in the later games

[@sherbertshortkake6649]

I wouldn't say "improved" necessarily...

[@nicocchi]

The F-Zero anime was pretty good for a game series where their characters spend all their time inside a car. And yes, everyone on the internet knows about the Falcon Punch in the anime, and I did not watch it when it first came out, learning only of its existence after the meme, but after 51 episodes, and being part of a heroic sacrifice You can't help but shed some tears. Manly tears. We're talking about Captain Falcon here.

[@Bokokirby]

kinda funny how broken brawl shuttle loop was and now in Kirby Star Allies it's the best move in the game for speedrunning when combined with the sizzle element

[@thundercharged1]

It's also so broken in Kirby Fighters 2 that they had to ban an infinite it made possible lol

[@party11440]

History repeats itself

[@CrocvsGator]

I definitely think F-Zero's characters, conceptually could be interesting outside a racing game. Like you have The Skull, Bio Rex, Superheroes, Star Fox references, a Monkey, Captain Falcon's evil clone Blood Falcon, just in F Zero X alone.

[@OliyTC]

I think the tether aspect of the paralyzer is supposed to represent the grapple beam? It seems more like an indirect reference and something that normal Samus already has referenced

[@KingofBeasts444]

"Triple Finish" Pokemon Trainer's final Smash in Brawl came out before triple battles in Pokémon Black and White.

[@Chernobog2]

The question you should be asking is not "why did F-Zero get an anime," but rather "why were the last two F-Zero games ever made based on the anime?"

[@GarchompandGible]

I think at this point it has become a rite of passage for Smash fans to realize that Bowser never attacked with his shell prior to Melee. It shocks me every time I hear it.

[@rrpsaihara]

Other move that was shown before in smash and later introduce on the main series was Joker's grappling hook (his upb). On the revision of Persona 5, persona 5 royal (which released on october 2019, a few months later after adding joker), they added it as a extra ability for joker to reach to certain areas and works more or less the same as it does in smash.

[@Nokyyyyy]

But did they add it from smash or dud snash bring it from the unreleased version ? Like for luigi's plunger grab, or roy in melee

[@OrigamiAhsoka]

I do agree with this a lot but wasn’t it in the title screen of p5?

[@Ethan-nl2wg]

I feel like the grappling hook was more like Sakarai had some information about royal ahead of time, I assume it had to have been in development for a decent amount of time

[@forhisneutralspecialhewiel2295]

The grappling hook was already seen on the game's menus.

[@simpletonW]

Another one for Marth is how the down angled Dancing Blade was made into his finisher in Fire Emblem Heroes, specifically for his Legendary variant, and it's viewable in his announcement trailer from August 2018.

[@gameboyn64]

It was in fe fates first

[@RevanSecura]

Funny thing about the F-Zero anime is that the Falcon Punch scene is the only time anyone got to see what Captain Falcon looks like under his helmet.

[@shell_of_myself]

Funny that star allies added galaxia darkness to meta knight as a usable move... only for it to be completely replaced in Ult by a different final smash

[@somejerk5662]

And now he has his Ultimate final smash in Forgotten Land.

[@watermelongaming3698]

@@somejerk5662 + Dark Meta Knight has a similar attack in Star Allies.

[@criticalhit69]

I don't know why F-Zero having an anime is so weird. Futuristic racing and anime is a relationship as old as Speed Racer, so F-Zero seems like a perfect anime concept to me.

[@hownot2junk803]

Huh. Never really considered this but, yeah, it happens a lot more than I thought. Pretty neat.

[@PomadaGaming]

2:38 huh. Interesting as a kid i always thought it was so cool on the smash games and when koopalings used it

[@BlueAmpharos]

8:49 You might even say... a meta knightmare for balancing.

[@ender7278]

"Ultimate Gigaslash" might sounds like a reference to Smash Bros. Ultimate, but the game's called Smash Bros. Special in Japan, so that's probably a coincidence.

[@mauricesteel4995]

Sakurai, what was your source for Captain Falcon's moveset? Sakurai: The source is that i made the fuck up.

[@MaxWelton]

An honorable mention could’ve been Mythra’s design. Her Spirit artwork was censored in order to be in an E10+ game, and that design was added with the Massive Melee Mythra DLC aux core to Xenoblade 2. Then Massive Melee Mythra became the basis for her Smash design as a fighter.

[@N12015]

Nah, it was just censorship because monolith soft are usual coworkers on Smash, and they knew the hurdle of dealing with CERO from Smash 4 (Sakurai mentioned a lot of extra work due to that) so in ultimate they might just decided to avoid the thing altogether.

[@JB_CY]

Lol I wonder if the falcon punch being used in the anime counts as canon

[@EpicNerdsWithCameras]

My favorite thing about the Falcon Punch making it into the F-Zero anime is that it's shown to be so strong that the force of the blast can be seen from *outside* of the known galaxy. There's a reason it's considered one of the most powerful moves in Smash.

[@abridge2]

“Now we’re definitely at the point where SSB needs to return the favor already” Shows Ganondorf You really weren’t lying lmao

[@PomadaGaming]

11:58 yo that looks amazing

[@mallow2429]

Before melee, Mr. Game and Watch wasn’t even considered a real character. He’s just a character that was created based off of the Game and Watch games.

[@mrgreenboy644]

Note: Zero Suit Samus's tether may be inspired by Samus's Grapple Beam. Additionally, while Shield Breaker's animation is original to Smash, its functionality (being especially destructive towards shields) is based on the Rapier, one of Marth's preferred weapons, dealing extra damage towards armored units (and horsemen but that isn't particularly important).

[@ryanwebb309]

I wanna give a shout out to some of Sonic's moves. His up smash is now in the IDW series, specifically the Metal Virus arc (plus I think some moves are similar to it in Frontiers) His back air also appeared in IDW (also in Frontiers) And something similar to his back throw appears in Sonic Colors: Rise of the Wisps

[@jyoster6447]

An honorable mention I would add to this would be Donkey Kong's Giant Punch. In DKCR, when DK gets sent to the moon, he uses the same technique to punch the moon out of orbit.

[@papersonic9941]

I believe Shield Breaker is based on the Rapier dealing effective damage in Fire Emblem.

[@Underworlder5]

yep. the rapier deals 3 times as much damage against armored and mounted opponents (though the description in older games misleadingly says "effective against infantry")

[@coltn7432]

On the same idea. Roy's entire moveset(almost). Roy came out before Roy's debut game, releasing in melee. Almost hos entire moveset could be said to later be canonized when his fire emblem debut arrived

[@roboticoperatingbuddy5443]

can we talk about what the fuck was going on with bowser’s running animation in melee/brawl???

[@MockRockTalk]

... ... ... ...Yeah 20 years later and I've still got nothing.

[@justinnzamora5366]

By the time Bowser was given a proper run animation, his competitive viability skyrocketed.

[@roboticoperatingbuddy5443]

@@justinnzamora5366 i thought he wasnt good in sm4sh?

[@roboticoperatingbuddy5443]

someone should really tweet sakurai about it, it seems like a coding error that would be consistent with melee jank, but then it came back in brawl, so what gives?

[@justinnzamora5366]

@@roboticoperatingbuddy5443 24th out of 55 isn't bad at all judging by the latest Sm4sh Tier List.

[@agenthappypotato868]

Original Smash moves that stand out to me are Mario and Dr. Mario's forward smashes, which are bursts of flames and electricity from their hands, respectively. I often hear people wanting to give Luigi his Thunderhand ability from Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga as a new Neutral Special. However, Superstar Saga came after Melee, where Mario first got his fiery forward smash and Dr. Mario debuted in Smash with his electric forward smash. This makes Thunderhand and Firebrand more likely references to Melee, so technically Thunderhand belongs to Dr. Mario.

[@ThundagaT2]

More like Mario can use both, because they're the same character lol

[@MadMax-ii8gq]

Luigi having the thunderhand as a neutral special would be so cool though as well as a down special that uses the poltergust more.

[@beauwalker9820]

"Why did F-Zero get an anime?" Because it's a good underrated game series, that needs more love.

[@linkonedgell894]

Remember that 1 year retrospective of every character? You should do another one about their time over quarantine and how they reacted to the online meta.

[@theshygamer3633]

Another thing that also got introduced in smash is jokers grapple hook which didn't get introduced until persona 5 royal

[@QT_Jeanne]

Peach also got moves from smash, in the Mario Party series both Peach’s and Daisy’s way of attacking is pushing their enemies which is inspired by smash melee Peach’s dash attack. Peach also uses her butt when sliding in a slope like her side B.

[@RedBoi88]

12:00 hold up, that sort of looked like the warlock punch

[@lloydaran]

I don't think the charging Paralyzer was taken from Smash, they simply "converted" the auto-charge into a charge-at-will. In ZM, it charges by itself, but you have to wait a bit. But yeah I can see your point.

[@jonathand.4088]

Still the name "Paralyzer" came from Smash Bros. and the way it works in Other M is more similar to Smash as well

[@williamrodriguez8957]

The paralyzer could be charged in Zero Mission, and it did so automatically. You needed to charge it to actually freeze enemies with it. You can still fire uncharged shots though to destroy obstacles though.

[@TheCreatorF.M.]

Shout Out to Meta Knight’s old Final Smash, Galaxia Darkness! It was in Brawl and Smash 4, and was given to Meta Knight in Planet Robobot during the Metaknightmare Returns mode as a Special Ability! Aaaand as soon as that happened, Meta Knight’s final Smash was changed. 🙃

[@crazynaut223]

The Falcon Punch is also referenced in the lyrics to the credits music in F-Zero GX

[@xDoctorxFaustusx]

DK's Spinning Kong was recently seen in Kirby Forbidden Lands by Gorimondo who's also a giant gorilla. Interesting to note.

[@dreamlanderjoel8162]

Spinning Kong seems to be based on Dixie Kong's Helicopter Spin which was introduced in Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest, so I don't think it's an entirely Smash-original move.

[@TheLuluBoyo]

This is honestly a really cool idea! It's really neat to see you put forth original ideas like this and makes me enjoy your content a LOT! *However* one thing you probably need to know and tread carefully about is you referring to Other M as canon. This is.. honestly kind of a hot topic in the Metroid community for the reason that it retcons every other game in the series and completely wrecks the lore which is one of the main reasons why it's not popular. In fact it's kind of why people say Other M *isn't* canon and can't be since it rewrites the lore so heavily and badly. Just thought I'd provide a little insight into that.

[@Compucles]

The story may not be popular (and the dialogue certainly isn't), but it was written by Sakamoto and is considered canon by him, so that's all that matters. Besides, it *does not* retcon nor rewrite much at all, explains a few important things connecting the earlier games to "Fusion" and "Dread", and whether or not it "wrecks the lore" is a matter of opinion (one I don't share).

[@Quietpower99]

I remember being super hyped seeing ZSS's whip because I had first seen it used that way in Monty Oum's "Haloid" animation.

[@ProudlyIdiotic]

8:01 this is even better because there is a fire spell in crypt of the necrodancer, which is completely different from dins fire in cadence of hyrule

[@TeryJones]

11:49 - My thoughts exactly, Ganondorf has been an echo fighter of Captain Falcon for long enough....

[@lavistalimited4747]

I just finished watching the revamp best of every move in Smash Ultimate video for the 14th time, so this is something nice to watch. :3

[@santiagobarraza28]

I'm not so sure about Metroid getting the paralyzer straight from smash. In Zero Mission you technically still have to charge your paralyzer, otherwise it won't paralyze the enemies, it's just that you don't have to keep the button pressed for it to be charged. I think the plasma shot from the paralyzer could be an interpretation of zero suit grapple beam which is definitely a smash original but since Metroid hasn't used that idea it wouldn't be fair to say Metroid took it from smash.

[@ThePkmnYPerson]

It's cool how they do this, especially since even a third party game did it. I wish a Zelda game would reference something about Ganondorf's Smash depiction.

[@Sjono]

Other things to note - Link’s Triforce Slash in Super Smash Bros Brawl seems to be implanted in his ingame moveset in Breath of the Wild as Flurry Rush except without any Triforce - Samus’ homing missiles in Super Smash Bros Melee were later incorporated into Metroid Prime - Luigi’s Green Missile has later appeared in later Mario sports titles - Jigglypuff’s Puff Up concept in SSBB has later been Implemented as a gameplay design as Dynamaxing in Sword & Shield - Pokémon Trainer’s Triple Finish in SSBB was later incorporated as a gameplay element as Triple Battles in Black & White - Diddy’s Monkey Flip in SSBB has inspired Diddy Kong's forward/backward Trick Shot in Mario Tennis Aces - Sonic’s ability to Spin Dash in the air in SSBB was later officially added to his moveset as Drop Dash since Sonic Mania - King Dedede’s Jet Hammer with the engine inside his hammer later appeared in Kirby Super Star Ultra

[@biondigiacomo7176]

Diddy Kong's side trick shot isn't indpired by the Monkey Flip, it's inspired by his classic cartwheel attack

[@Evan-mt7bc]

Sort of a neat one is Mythra. Xenoblade 2 released a year before Ultimate, Mythra appeared as a spirit in an alternate, censored costume featuring her black tights. A wholly original design for the character. Xenoblade 2 received a free update on the launch of Smash Bros, in both the base game of Xenoblade 2 and it's expansion Torna The Golden Country where Mythra appears playable in both games, there is now an NPC named "BroBro". When you talk to this NPC after adding Mythra to your party he was give you the best Critical Hit Rate Aux Core in the entire game (Mythra's best stat in Xenoblade 2) called "Massive Melee Mythra" (In Japanese the name is literally "Smash Brothers Mythra") when this Aux Core is equipped to Mythra it will give her the black tights from her Spirit design, BroBro will then recite the following line "How friends getting on with Aux Core that Brobro gave as present? Did it improve power of Launch? Meh? No change to Launch power? ...Well, it special thing all the same. Brobro have strange feeling it maybe even most Ultimate item of all!" When Mythra was added as DLC 2 1/2 years later these tights were included in her base costume as well as a pair for Pyra for herself (which never made it into Xenoblade 2)

[@zenix6467]

“Why does F Zero need an Anime?” Mario, Sonic, Pikachu, Kirby, Olimar (Yes Pikmin has an anime ova), Villager, and Pit: First time?

[@squid-ink2628]

if you open up to spin off games, Luigi's green missle is used as his lunging swing in Mario Sports Mix when you play dodgeball or vollyball.

[@petrarcheleven8816]

I think if MockRock plays to the end of the new Kirby game, there's a little surprise he'll like. Not so much a move, but definitely a Smash reference. (Spoilers past the read more) Dedede's crouch.

[@Rdotmop]

A VERY recent one, but King Dedede's Gordo Toss made it into Kirby and the Forgotten Land.

[@zeospark9715]

I'd like to list another one and it will be Luigi's Poltergust G-00. It's functions was revealed way before Luigi's Mansion 3 which was most likely in development in the time but still nonetheless was a thing almost a whole year before it's actual canonical debut

[@leethompson-kolar6333]

LM3 started as a Wii U game, so it was definitely in development at the same time.

[@caioleite5579]

@@leethompson-kolar6333 Really? I didnt know that

[@ExaltedUriel]

Maybe I'm forgetting if you can catch a glimpse of it in gameplay before this, but in particular the Plunger first appeared in Simon's reveal trailer, before they even showed it off for Luigi's Mansion 3.

[@k.u.5798]

Wario Waft is another one that had a big impact on his character. After that Brawl trailer, Wario started farting in WarioWare games and basically all the nintendo spin offs for a long while.

[@tjackknife6590]

Haven’t finished the video yet, but I’m hoping you cover Mario’s Forward Smash, which I believe saw its first canon Mario appearance in one of those Mario & Luigi games.

[@genuineangusbeef8697]

Shieldbreaker is interesting because it wasn't originally from Fire Emblem but the form it took in Brawl, where Marth stabs, is actually based on Marth's animations while using the Rapier from FE 1 and FE 3, where unlike every other class in the game Marth gets two different animations for the same weapon type, a generic sword swipe for most weapons and a stab while using the Rapier. In that sense it kinda was in Fire Emblem.

[@justinnzamora5366]

Correct me I'm wrong, but didn't Hyrule Warriors have Ganondorf perform a Warlock Punch in that game?

[@Nosretep]

Age of Calamity did.

[@Underworlder5]

in a way. in his C5 combo, he backhands the magic ball to send the pieces flying. you can see it in the video

[@Bone8380]

Just a note regarding Other M's canonicity: Some things in the game (mainly Adam and Ridley) directly contradict things in both previous and later Metroid titles, so given that Other M's entire existence is barely acknowledge by later games let alone any of its story or lore, especially by Mercury Steam who do seem to care about that stuff considering they unambiguously canonized Prime and gave it a definitive place in the timeline via Samus Returns, it's safe to say that Other M is not canon.

[@DarkoGameplayer]

WOW, this is a banger video idea, i didn't know i needed this until now

[@syweb2]

5:00 Technically, the Paralyzer _did_ charge in Zero Mission - it was just a passive charge (complete with a meter), where the first shot fired on a full charge would paralyze enemies, and later shots wouldn't until you waited long enough without firing. The name is definitely a carryover, though.

[@Moss_Dude]

Hey cool, the first ad I got on this video was for a new platform fighter. It's apparently "the most electric, combo-centric and expressive fighting game ever made." It's called Rushdown Revolt. And I just randomly rewatched your zoners video and saw you knew about that a year ago.

[@thomas9208]

I feel like Joker's grappling hook deserves an honorable mention for being a mechanic that was designed for its main series but debuted in Smash before the game it was added had even been announced.

[@jorgehuertas3995]

So, is Falcon Punch available? Since I don't think it's canon, but must be the most recognisable attack ever

[@JorgeHighwind]

Why is the anime Falcon Punch blue? Probably because both Captain Falcon's costume and his vehicles (the Blue Falcon and the Falcon Flyer) are mainly blue. Outside of Smash, Captain Falcon isn't related to fire at all. No fire kicks, no fire punches, no fire anything

[@lluis640]

Another Smash attack that end up being canon are both of Meta Knight's final smashes. The first final smash appeared in Kirby planet robobot (for the 3DS) as one of Meta Knight's abilities. The second final smash (the one from Ultimate) appeared in both Kirby star allies and Kirby and the forgotten land (both for the switch) as one of Meta knight's attacks in his boss battles, they're not called the same but they are the same move.

[@zwillscoopchannel9689]

Star allies came out before ultimate tho

[@grayshores5264]

Joker’s grappling hook technically appears in the options menu of Persona 5 but it is never used in game. But it is used in Smash as his Up Special, then used later in Persona 5 Royal.

[@marcusong4551]

F-Zero DEFINITELY needed an anime. If it can't anymore games, one anime series wouldn't hurt.

[@Rodanguirus]

I think things like Whirling Fortress are a major gray area. I mean yeah, BOWSER first used it Melee, but it's clearly based on several Koopalings in SMB3, plus some Ludwig in SMW, and is kind of just an extension of overall Koopa shell behavior. I mean, a lot of Ness's Smash moveset is made up of moves from his own series, but used by other characters.

[@rigistroni]

Number one, Roy. As in the entire character

[@oscarvee8648]

I remember in the first sonic movie (yknow the live action one) sonic did the smash ultimate render pose at some point