Top 3 Pitches With Unreliable Claims in the Den | Dragon's Den

[@BenjaminGoose]

11:23: "I gave up trusting reports a long time ago. I believe in results." That is a scary thing to hear from someone claiming to be a medical professional.

[@nzelver559]

I believe him more than Peter Jones, at least hes honest

[@colmcq]

@@nzelver559 lol wut

[@nzelver559]

​@@colmcqWell, Peter is a TV personality and starts off with ripping businesses to shreds

[@CL-vx9dr]

​@@nzelver559 he's worth half a billion pounds, he's much more credible than a "doctor" of traditional Chinese medecine.

[@calvinspark1946]

You got your vax invented in no time and tested in no time. Gullible to the core. Humanity is lost

[@abdo.2020-k4l]

Peter: Has this been approved clinically? Scammer: We are in the Process Peter: Thats what i felt you would say

[@Michele1ELL]

Duncan seriously was great. So many times he points out flaws that no one else has and puts it so succinctly

[@neuron8871]

Man Hilary is awesome, said what everyone was thinking. rest in peace

[@nickrollings6694]

😇🪽

[@Andrew-1828]

That first pitch talks like a scam. He kept misinterpreting Deborah’s worry about understanding the type of pain you’re feeling when using it. She asked very clearly how would I know if the discomfort I’m feeling is the “mechanism” is working or me making a mistake. He kept just focusing on the pain and ignored what her real question is. Sounds like a MLM man who avoids and diverts a concern.

[@rf159a]

They are still in business.

[@JeremiahEcks777]

@@rf159a So are a lot of pyramid schemes, doesn't mean they're not a scam. I don't think Mr. 'i'M a DoCToR oF TRaDiTioNaL CHiNeSe MeDiCiNe' is a scam, by the by, but I don't think being a scam or not precludes one from being lucrative.

[@BenjaminGoose]

It IS a scam, he's not a real doctor.

[@Farquad76.547]

@@rf159astill scamming

[@jack-a-lopium]

He's a chiropractor... those guys are always a bit scammy :D

[@philswaim392]

"I believe in results" SO WHERES YOUR FREAKING DATA?

[@MitchellTF]

For the first one, there's is definitely a "Okay, you did this for 20 years...why are you no longer doing it?"

[@davidmellish3295]

Cause he's a highly qualified DOCTOR (of Chinese medicine)

[@mwilliamshs]

He holds an honorary doctorate

[@jackbotman]

Cause he fixed all the pain and went out of business

[@slowdownex]

I like how the first guy calls himself a doctor, because he studied "traditional Chinese medicine" for 20 years. I don't know about calling ya a doctor buddy lol😂

[@donchamers6916]

He's a very rich "Doctor" now! After the dragons den their company went from £200,000 to £3 million in just one year, helped by many celebrity endorsements of the product. This was one pitch that the dragons got wrong by rejecting it.

[@vibecity5381]

There are many rich and successful Chinese doctors. Just because a school is in Asia does not make degrees imaginary. Surgery is performed all over the world, are they not doctors?

[@JamesMMcCann]

@@vibecity5381 there's a difference between what hospitals perform and 'traditional Chinese medicine.' TCM is not what is practiced in your local hospital.

[@Flamebreakerful]

@@donchamers6916 no they got it right. These people aren't so desperate for a few thousand dollars that they want to associate their name with a clear scam on TV

[@mwilliamshs]

He's an HONORARY PhD of Traditional Chinese Medicine. It's a historical subject taught in universities not a medicinal study taught in medical schools.

[@TheManInBlueFlames]

Dont know why the last one was included. He was brilliant. SO MANY MORE pitches with unreliable claims, like that 'Progains' guy!

[@christophermackenzie9399]

He ended up scamming a bunch of people and the complains flowed in of people paying him and not getting anything out of it.

[@dawicked2k8]

Progains guy sounded like a scam

[@MrWillyMrBrightside]

Progains collapsed within a year or two, I checked the insolvency order, it was from Clear Channel so I reckon he probably ordered a load of advertising but didn't pay for it.

[@BubbaTurkey0416]

I love the last guy. He was great! But Peter’s precautions were a great eyeopener for the young guy. Hope hes doing well and finished school

[@howtobeafangirl1013]

He scammed a bunch of people

[@adamcroft80]

Duncan’s body language throughout the whole massage chair pitch says it all really.

[@davidmellish3295]

Im a doctor,( of Chinese medicine)

[@JenniMeer]

Oh! A bull💩 doctor!! 🤣🤣🤣

[@peterreber7671]

There is nothing wrong or funny with traditional Chinese doctors.

[@jack-a-lopium]

@@peterreber7671 Too bad you didn't get the money. Better luck next time.

[@kcc-karenschroniccorner9432]

@@peterreber7671unless you want an effective solution.

[@steft583]

​@@peterreber7671nothing wrong with them, but they are not doctors

[@ethzero]

15:00 I'm sat on my sofa now and I've lost both patient and the will to live watching this guy... so there's that.

[@TheManInBlueFlames]

The second one was odd. How do those chairs make you 'lose weight' unless you're in those chairs and NOT EATING AT ALL? No exercise is involved so it's completely unfounded. The smoking one might have some value though if people ARENT smoking if people are there.

[@kallekillen2285]

You could argue that reducing stress helps you lose weight because less cortisol=less insulin

[@rf159a]

On the first pitch I honestly thought Jenny was going to make an offer 🤣🤣🤣

[@mwilliamshs]

The "Doctor" holds an honorary doctorate from Beijing University.

[@johnnovak6386]

Almost feel bad the last young man to be included in this comp. Well spoken, more business knowledge than the two previous pitches, and clearly entrepreneurial. But I guess I can glance sideways and see how the patent issue made it fit here. Imo he was clearly the best of the 3.

[@kushalramakanth7922]

He was good, and it was good of Peter to let him know about things he faced in selling a similar toy. Too bad he scammed people out of 1.6 million by asking for crowdfunding for a product and never delivering on it

[@maxbrooks5468]

I love, love *love* how angry Hilary got with that second guy. She’s so right to be cross with him.

[@tmaddgh6962]

I am a PhD doctor consultant surgeon specialist studying 20 years of Indian folk medicine 😂😂😂

[@calvinspark1946]

Still you got needled after no proper testing? Just out of curiosity

[@mathildes8583]

​@@calvinspark1946If this is about the covid vaccine, nobody prevents you from reading the Dec 2020 study in the NEJM

[@ThePainkiller9995]

@calvinspark1946 its been 4 years get over it mate

[@joewas2225]

1st one: The more he explained the pitch the more I laughed. I don't have any questions. I'm out. "I gave up on reports a long time ago, I believe in results..." The reports WOULD BE results. Thanks for reassuring me that it was a scam.

[@cg9616]

Vernon is a cracking lad with good ideas. He needs business brains on board to get his ideas into the market

[@stephenhawkingsfootballboo2154]

Those chairs need a flow signal

[@BengalBoy16]

"I'm a Doctor of Medicine of 30 years" Me: Oh! "I'm a Doctor of Chinese Medicine" Me: Oh...

[@alexanderjones5109]

"i'm a doctor.......of traditional chinese medicine" oh okay. he had us in the first half i ain't gonna lie

[@Getstitchs]

I'm a soldier.....in Call of Duty

[@mwilliamshs]

I'm a carpenter...ant.

[@calvinspark1946]

What’s wrong with the Chinese medicine?

[@mwilliamshs]

@calvinspark1946 it's not the study of medicine like to become a medical doctor. It's the historical analysis of ancient cultural practices and his degree is only honorary. It's like being a doctor of the English language or of colonial history in that it in no way qualifies anyone to speak to the health benefits of a product and again, it's only an honorary degree.

[@michaelsauls3674]

2nd one was selling the HYPNOSIS CHAIR

[@annabasnatural]

“I gave up on reports a long time ago” is the biggest red flag after being a “doctor” in Chinese medicine

[@MiniOilSlyk]

I went to see a chinese therapist about my shoulder and came out with a sore back. At that point u pay 99 quid for a piece of plastic that was made in china for 18 quid.

[@paulct91]

These three presentations seemed rather depressing with how they ended up...

[@Ryanjoned163]

Unemployed

[@Bulskee]

@9:28 how unreasonable is Peters logic. He says if you have back pain, seek a professional. The guy pitching said the product will remove the need to see a professional. Peter then says “So I don’t need then!” Make up your mind Peter 😂

[@JDO6715]

I mean, it's also in response to the guy who says "it's all about the spine and the individual case" (paraphrasing,the guy was blabbering incoherently and not going back to try and decipher 😅) in a breath and then in the next trying to peddle a product that will in no way at all account for that,so even if it wasn't painfully obvious already,the guy himself kind of told everyone his bs product doesn't work

[@chester6514]

People pay money to sit in a chair, and the chair tells them to get out of the chair 😂

[@ThePrimeMinisterOfTheBlock]

Third fellow seems very credible. Lets see how this goes

[@BenjaminGoose]

He scammed loads of people, that's how it went.

[@mfbjo6854]

"If the chair could tell me about seaweed, I'd definitely invest!" - Rory

[@TheIkaraCult]

They were far too nice to the quack medicine pitch at the start, I think they deserved a much more robust dressing down for trying to sell such a thing. Its tragic when people fall for this sort of thing when they're desperate.

[@michaellynn9763]

Piss*d myself when the 2nd guy came up the stairs! I will never forget him! Debroah loved Hillary exhausting herself! Really, how did he even turn over 200k?

[@ambiva]

oh the famous Extreme Liars 😁 the infamous Indigogo Project has replies approaching 40,000 and still no drone after 5 years 😆

[@myeyesarespiders]

Jenny needs the first product. She's always putting her back out.

[@bboyfocus12]

briliiant

[@ashleyj97]

Hillary was such a firecracker, may she rest in peace ❤

[@NomadUniverse]

Perfect timing on the "is this really happening to me", it would have been exactly what Theo was thinking, just not in the same context.

[@llddau]

The first duo, I reckon the quiet one knew exactly what they’d say and the other one bullied him into going. He looked pretty smug to me, holding his, “I told you so”.

[@gerardjayetileke4373]

Jenny: "Your flying toys don't have proven clinical results, and for that reason, I'm out."

[@David_Mc_Our_God_Reigns]

Yes another episode 😊

[@aisthpaoitht]

aw that last guy. really nice.

[@foxernator]

I love the last guy hope he did really well with it

[@ciarangrey7576]

He’s a scammer now

[@RedScorpion778]

@@ciarangrey7576haha read the reviews all 1 star complaining that they didn’t get what they paid for

[@masonspencer918]

​@@ciarangrey7576 I think they are being sarcastic

[@jumble-1238]

@@RedScorpion778aww. I was hoping he’d do well but I just read the bbc news piece about him.

[@nzelver559]

@@jumble-1238 Considering the title is about pitches with unreliable claims, I am not surprised that he didn't get an investment and that a flying helicopter at 30 GBP I would not expect this toy to do very much.

[@Chill-Quil]

My chair will help you lose weight Does your chair actually help people lose weight? No LMAO

[@cedricemmanuel2082]

Vernon the man!!! Good advice from theo..❤

[@positivethinker9840]

No wonder the NHS is going down, when it uses the services of this scammer in Pitch No.2.

[@makhan4908]

That thingy is wicked works wonders for your back and refreshes other sensitive body parts 😅

[@AngryBoozer]

Let's be honest, if they weren't on TV, a placebo with dirt cheap production costs would have them all over it. They'd only really have to invest in marketing.

[@marvelsomething1952]

He goes from doctor to therapist (not a protected term) to doctor of Chinese medicine. He went from having all the IP to patent pending. He talks like a grifter.

[@GoodMythicalEeveening]

I don't see how a doctor of Chinese medicine is an expert on back pain 😅

[@camptube7621]

I’m sure Vernon made a fortune. What a great young man.

[@JDO6715]

From what I heard he *stole* quite the fortune, so I guess in a way

[@thomaslangshaw3416]

Saying you were 2 marks off a first is a very insecure way of saying you're on a 2.1 lmao

[@oliveryoung6845]

Haha trust me the amount of degrees which are written by ai is crazy

[@TheManInBlueFlames]

That's still a good result!

[@jack-a-lopium]

@@oliveryoung6845 lolwhat? Ohhhh.... your comment was written by AI, I get it :D

[@saintjimmy456]

@@oliveryoung6845 What do you mean AI writes degrees? It's a qualification, how can you write it. Also that clip is from 2009, what AI was "writing degrees" back then.

[@BenjaminGoose]

God why does the third guy make so many mouth sounds?

[@melmc3306]

Because he’s an irritating boffin

[@soulsteela01]

Nearly made my head explode

[@JDO6715]

Thanks, I hadn't noticed and now I can't stop 😫

[@jackbotman]

Isn't it called talking 🤔

[@Crash88]

I had a couple of major back operations in 2010, prior to that I tried everything I found on the market to prevent that but nothing helped. None of the gimmick devices are worth the effort. My back was so bad I was turned down by 4 Chiropractors before turning to the dark side of gimmicks.

[@JeremiahEcks777]

How has it ended up for you? Did you get some relief?

[@Crash88]

@@JeremiahEcks777 the first surgery they removed 6 discs and replaced them with plastic cages filled with bone shavings from the rib they removed too. the next day they put in 2 12" rods with 14 screws. the original problem was fixed but unfortunately the surgeon messed up a different part of my back and now I have to walk with a cane. I waited 28 years until I couldn't stand the pain to have to operations and now I regret having it. Nothing, gimmick wise has helped.

[@JeremiahEcks777]

@@Crash88 I'm sorry to hear about this. I wish and pray somehow they find a way to provide you a much better quality of life.

[@lostinwonderland9927]

Research Howard Shubiner and dr sarno mind body subscription

[@makhan4908]

Do they give garantee on dis dewis

[@RhythmAndRibs]

Where's Vernon now guys? Top lad

[@aeternosolus52]

I don't think the last one (Extreme Fliers) made 'unreliable claims'. He didn't know about the global patent on helicopter toys granted, but he didn't say he had a granted patent, just that it was pending. I don't think he said anything that was unreliable, and out of the three pitches I think he was the only one with any creditability.

[@Bulskee]

3rd guy needs a glass of water man 😤

[@RhythmAndRibs]

2nd pitch, love the fetus throws his toys😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@noreasonchannel4012]

Self note: last pitch toys idea 💡

[@markturner6911]

The first guys managed to use the word "simultaneously" and the phrase "at the same time" in the same sentence. Should anyone take him seriously?

[@JeremiahEcks777]

But he's a DoCToR oF CHiNeSe MeDiCiNe so clearly he knows what he's doing, surely?

[@michaellynn9763]

Glad I'm not the only one that picked it up! Like filling out an essay with unnecessary words to hit the wordcount!

[@elvickRULES]

@@michaellynn9763you’re right and correct. I agree and concur.

[@TechGamesAU]

That’s a lot of wishy washy language to describe what should be a scientific medical device.

[@Mossyz.]

This is Fish and Chips without Salt and Vinegar !

[@reubenrules5429]

Hilary was definitely the best ever dragon 🐉

[@Mrsqtfactory]

Claiming to be a medical professional, and saying you don't need to see a medical professional to assess back pain... what BS

[@paullambert8701]

Lots of demands for medically proved claims and clinical trials etc. After COVID, all this seems ridiculous.

[@martinrooney6883]

Never knew Peter Schmeichel broke his back

[@haley746]

25:43 my guy knows exactly which dialect of Chinese he has learnt but doesn’t know which country in the far east he went to? 😂

[@jesperwinther5964]

Funny - every single time I hear anyone say "The fact of the matter is", whatever they have to say, is not worth listening to.

[@bobmiller7502]

you can tell by the way hes talking that first one is a blagger used to blagging his way through life, i wouldn't trust him telling me the weather,looks like hes scooped up that poor guy to be his piggy bank.there's one born everyday lol the second one IT COULD BE 5 MILLION was enough for me buy buy BS guy

[@h2f259]

Jenny - Thank you for bringing these scky products into the den - You're IN but I'm OUT!

[@will2410]

Hillary was the best man 😂 rest in peace

[@Djinn510]

So buying a massage chair and recording guided meditations is a business? Interesting 😊

[@crabbieappleton]

This last one wasn't really an "unreliable claim" problem.

[@TyrantNemesisUmbrella]

He say 20 years then 25 years who is he trying to prove

[@LizM894]

My favourite part of Dragon's Den, Unfortunately, is shots of all of The Dragons looking really bored.

[@philipglasgow3307]

Did deborah just say she had a cubbard full of things to release her tension? :)

[@mwilliamshs]

Read your comment aloud. I don't think it says what you think it says.

[@00Kuja00]

Ofc there is a Buddha head next to the chairs (second pitch). :/

[@TheSkypeConverser]

This show rocks lol.

[@jamesupton4996]

The first guys: I've got cancer - lesions on my spine etc. Balons!

[@StriKe_jk]

25k for 10% of the company is very little money tor quite the share. Bargain selling their company either means the product is bad or they just came on dragons den for marketing. Well after hearing the news that they made massive bank after the episode it is most likely the latter.

[@dorkydragon5055]

19:35 that pained smile is delicious muhuhuhuhuua

[@blackhatter1980]

RIP Hillary you really was 1 of a kind

[@Pathofplenty]

Any product that doesn’t have a doctor behind it can be copied and discredited

[@Neil2022]

Vernon the rat

[@francinejones2524]

The 2nd guy is a complete dummy.

[@mufu725]

That last lad needs a drink.

[@chris-c2c4k]

lol a massage chair could never help someone losr weight utter nonesense

[@kris5187]

what happened to the young guy?

[@christophermackenzie9399]

He scammed a ton of people online

[@sampycroft2025]

Yeah he knows this market more than anybody blah blah blah yeah where is Jessops?😂

[@onlyme219]

The RC guy has not come up with a single original idea presented

[@TheMissKizmet]

I dunno if I’m just an irritable cow today but I find that first dude with the spinal device, grandiose and arrogant/NPD query-level up himself, and the third one, helicopter dude? I think he’s fabulous, but my misophonia couldn’t handle his wet-mouthed lip-schmacking. Ugh. 😂

[@idlewild13l]

Oh look a chiropractor talking absolute nonsense!

[@shootingzen28fav]

I fix pain 🥷

[@dieseephuis]

The best treatment for backpain is walking. Cost you nothing.

[@darraghconnolly2553]

The best treatment funny enough is yoga i would imagine, gets everything loose, all sports players do it to prevent injury

[@aldorechiasson]

You have a degree in bunk!

[@rf159a]

Extreme Fliers is STILL in Business.

[@BenjaminGoose]

I just checked the company and it's dissolved. Where are you getting your information?

[@RESISTANCE..3]

It's not

[@RedScorpion778]

@@BenjaminGooselooks like he started a new one and scammed a ton of people. 1 star reviews all around

[@haegtesse]

People here are talking about the first pitch being a scam, sure ok, but maybe someone finds pain relief in that product. Maybe. The chair guy??? GET OUT OF HERE. What a sleazeball.

[@JohnSimpson-i8s]

Last time I looked their company was selling thousands of their products & valued at over 3 million

[@rf159a]

Miruji Health is OUT of Business!!

[@imrank9282]

I'm so surprised 😂

[@amandah.5880]

13:36 - 13:40😂