Top 5 Italian Citizenship Mistakes

Italian Citizenship Podcast EP 44:
Top 5 Italian Citizenship Mistakes
In this episode of the Italian Citizenship Podcast, hosts Marco Permunian, an Italian citizenship attorney and founder of Italian Citizenship Assistance (ICA), along with Italian dual citizen and content creator/podcaster, ‪@RafaelDiFuria‬, discuss some of the top 5 mistakes that can be made when persuing Italian citizenship by descent. Regardless whether you've decided to do your Italian citizenship DIY or with a service provider there are a number of pitfalls you will make sure you want to avoid. A small misinterpretation could be the final piece of the puzzle that actually holds a person back from reaching their goal to get Italian Citizenship.
00:00 Intro
01:17 Checking your eligibility
07:30 Free preliminary assessment
08:59 Booking your appointment with the Italian consulate
10:59 Another mistake
13:00 Underestimating discrepancies in your documents
16:07 Thinking that gathering the documents is easy
21:29 Not asking for professional assistance
For help with the Italian citizenship process and more information about Italian Citizenship Assistance visit ICA's website:
ItalianCitizenshipAssistance.com
To contact Italian Attorney Marco Permunian and his team of dual-citizenship experts and attorneys you can use the contact form on the Italian Citizenship Assistance website:
ItalianCitizenshipAssistance.com
Also to see more from @Rafael Di Furia about life in Italy and life as a dual citizen check out his KZbin channel:
/ rafaeldifuria
#dualcitizenship #dualItaliancitizenship #videopodcast

[@supadad34]

I thought I would not qualify because my grandfather came to the USA in 1921 and my dad was born in 1943. But after receiving my grandfather’s naturalization documents I found I was blessed. My grandfather didn’t naturalize till 2 months after my father was born. So it took him 22 years to do it and I had a 2 month window which qualified me. I have an appointment in September 2022 in Miami

[@ultraspeedy4911]

Good luck !

[@jma.87]

With it being that close to the naturalization date, the consulate may or may not need to see extra documentation (ie his declaration papers as well). I've heard of that being the case before from someone who had a one month difference.

[@jordanp5469]

How'd it go?

[@kyleroberts2232]

I am so happy that I am using ICA to help with my family's accusation of our dual citizenship! It has been a pleasure and I am looking forward to my upcoming appointment at the consulate

[@50beauty71]

Can you make a KZbin video of your experience?

[@annettecinquemanifalbo17]

I'm so glad I found this channel! It's given me such incredible hope! I will be contacting Marco and his law firm!

[@jaredkmcbride]

Hired ICA for our 1948 case. Looked and shopped around. ICA was by far the most professional and prompt. We are so far glad we chose them! They were very prompt and got us as clients and did a preliminary family search within a week! They are awesome !!

[@dustinbosse233]

Can I ask around how much the total endeavor cost? If more than 4 to 5 k I think i would atleast attempt myself

[@bertiepinchera3940]

@@dustinbosse233 All depends on the case. If all the documents are available, the line is quite short, with no discrepancies then its a DIY job costing a few hundred depending how many docs required. If it's a 1948 case then you need an Italian lawyer, whatever. That's a few thousand.

[@louisdangelo9375]

You and Marco are 100% correct about the knowledge needed to assist an applicant on the qualifications and process to claim Italian citizenship. For example, my cousin who is an attorney on Caserta, Campania has little to no knowledge of the process misled me based on the information I shared with him. At that point I hired ICA to begin the journey. I am waiting for my Grandfathers naturalization certificate from USCIS and corrected documents from NY and then apostille certification to follow. Great video. Thank you.

[@joemanginelli2972]

Rafael I couldn't agree with you more about Marco and his team. The fact that they do so much work upfront without taking any payment to determine eligibility is incredibly generous. And that there is no obligation once it is determined the person is eligible, shows the benevolence of ICA. This is why I asked them to help me in my quest for recognition. Grazie mille signori.

[@jenniferlindorff9710]

I have a few little discrepancies in regards to last name differences (the last vowel) and my G. Grandmother listing her incorrect birthplace on her son’s birth certificate. My head is spinning! Saving my pennies so I can get help with this from you all at ICA 👍

[@MJV47]

What are your thoughts on name changes of the italian ancestor?

[@LeftToWrite006]

Can you please do a video about the things needed to be done after getting citizenship? For example, I just found out that I need to register as an Italian citizen living abroad (A.I.R.E.); I only stumbled on this information accidentally and I am wondering what other things I need to do. Also, (maybe in the same video?) can you please talk about what needs to be done to actually get an Italian passport, especially for those of us not living in Italy?

[@brianf4682]

If you applied for recognition through a consulate, you are already in AIRE. That is done as part of the recognition process. You only need to mess with AIRE if you move.

[@bertiepinchera3940]

It is true the documents are key to this. However, if you turn up to the Consulate and something isn't quite right or they need another document they will tell you and you don't necessarily go back in the queue. Had experience where a family member was required to produce her deceased husband's death certificate, not in the line of decent. Consulate just said we want a copy - but not translated and not apostilled. Couple of weeks and all was fine.

[@jagravkothari4631]

I love Italy

[@dianad.5312]

It's true what he says about New York birth certificates. The vital records office can issue both a "long form" of a birth certificate or a "short form". Make sure you request the " long form" , it has a ton of interesting information . My whole life I had a copy of the short form of a NYC birth certificate that had just birth date and parents on it then I lost it and finally got the long form and was shocked how much I learned from it. Long form cost same as short form.

[@user-yh7xq6fv9z]

Some of mine only have short forms.

[@user-yh7xq6fv9z]

Hi I’m in NJ and applying in NYC. Did you get an appointment with the consulate? I have tried for months

[@juleslarson7249]

Great-Grandfather came to the U.S. from Italy in 1905, had my grandfather in 1908, and I found his Petition for Naturalization to the U.S., which is dated 9/25/1911. So because this was before 1912, am I ineligible? Or is there another certificate of actual citizenship that I should be trying to locate (which might have a later date)? THANKS!

[@ThePlomplomplom]

if using the 2948 case, GM-F-Me, and suing the courts in Rome, do I also need the death certs(DC) for my GM & F as it's not the Embassy or Consulate in US where the DC for all direct ancestors are needed?

[@ultraspeedy4911]

I’m not entirely sure if I understand your question but I’ll try my best to answer. If you’re arguing your 1948 case in rome via an attorney of your choosing, then you will needs naturalization / proof of no naturalization for the ancestor you’re using plus their birth and marriage certificate and you need the same documents for the ancestors linking you to the first initial Italian born ancestor you’re inheriting it from. Death certificates typically aren’t needed but that depends on what your lawyer wants, so contact them and ask.

[@bertiepinchera3940]

@@ultraspeedy4911 Death cert's. are not required by an Italian Court but are by Consulates. Only they know the reasons why.

[@DANIELJRAINEY]

We are actually using ICA services now (Luna Z). You mentioned something that caught my interest about possibly shortening the time to the consulate interview. How does that work?

[@ItalianCitizenshipAssistance]

Hello! Please send us an email at [e-mail] or email your dual citizenship specialist or marco directly :)

[@elenagaeta771]

How do you get naturalization documents for grandparents? I cannot get a human on the phone or find out how on line.

[@shaneegizi1000]

Hello, I'm in process of gathering docs. I'm about 90 percent done. Just sent index search to uscis. However, I noticed something on a census. My great grandfather was listed under citizenship as PA or filed letter of intent. If this is so, and he filed this just before my grandfather as born. Does this disqualify me for dual citizenship since the letter of intent asks him to renounce Italian citizenship?( He never became a naturalized American.)

[@ItalianCitizenshipAssistance]

Hello Shane, no it does not disqualify you. The declaration of intent has no effects on the Italian Citizenship of the person who filed it.

[@carlmotiwalla9985]

Does the last ancestor have to be born in Italy? For example I would like to apply through my mother, who is an Italian citizen but was born in the UK.

[@bertiepinchera3940]

Last Italian born in Italy with Italian birth certificate. How did she become an Italian citizen? Check back to her father or mother and keep going back to the Italian born in Italy. I am exactly in that situation but my Grandfather was the Italian born in Italy who emigrated and never naturalized proven by documents.

[@carlmotiwalla9985]

@@bertiepinchera3940 Thank you! Got it now.

[@pablo79muller]

and what if you´re not married? what do you need to proof that?

[@ThePlomplomplom]

sorry, typo , meant 1948 case

[@giacogiaco5540]

I cannot apply for Italian Citizenship because my Great Great Grandfather Antonio who was in Born 1791..died in 1834... why?... because the Italian states were not United untill 1861... therefore he was not Italian..is there a way around this ?

[@sophiebody918]

Is this only for Americans applying for citizenship - what about if you are British?

[@ItalianCitizenshipAssistance]

Hello Sophie, we also assist UK citizens . Feel free to contact us through our website for more information. Thank you

[@conniediperi4837]

If you were naturalized as a minor through your parents but were born in Italy can you qualify for dual citizenship?

[@lifewithsania2508]

I need your help

[@E-Sangiovanni]

Some People get confused. There are a lot of Ancestors born in the North East side of Italy that were born during the period that the region was part of the Astro-Hungarian empire. Those ancestors were not Italian, but their descendant don't know the specifics of that technicality that truncs transmission of citizenship.

[@ItalianCitizenshipAssistance]

Hello! We are releasing an episode soon on that topic.

[@markyarte]

I am adopted. I found my father. His grandparents were Italian citizens...am I still eligible?

[@dearscotty]

How would the Italian court even know if you were married and divorced? In other words, if someone were to avoid this aspect of their personal history, how would an Italian court know?

[@IMTooShort2C]

Typically this is required in order to explain name changes. You have to show the details of everyone in your line, so if anyone in the line is using a married name on any of your documents, then you need to show how you got that name.

[@dearscotty]

@@IMTooShort2C if you are a male petitioner and were married and divorced, that doesn't effect your name or your line. It seems like an added irrelevant requirement. Me being married and divorced with no name changes has no bearing on my eligibility. So, I'm curious why the courts in Rome want this life event documented. In addition, how would they even know if i were married and divorced? Seems like extra paper work. And extra paperwork means more room for error

[@IMTooShort2C]

I get what you're saying that in some cases they wouldn't know even though it's asked as a required document. I never personally looked into it more because I don't have any divorces in my line.

[@dearscotty]

@@IMTooShort2C I'm referring strictly to marriage and divorce for petitioners, so not regarding lineage

[@bertiepinchera3940]

@@dearscotty For the generation that could follow you.

[@kagitonkurera8038]

Is it possible for me to get Italian citizenship, if my own blood sibling is an Italian citizen?

[@stevenlinda127]

You need to be a descendant of an italian citizen.

[@jagravkothari4631]

First comment

[@lifewithsania2508]

Hy Sir

[@dominic6283]

Why would it matter if my grandparents or parents were divorced? If they are tracing blood line it should just be an accurate birth certificate through the line.

[@ItalianCitizenshipAssistance]

to prove paternity, under Italian law it is important that a child was born within wedlock. Especially in the US where birth certificates tend not to be signed by the father, if the mother and father were not married an acknowledgment of paternity may be necessary. That’s why it’s important to determine if a marriage was validly celebrated (hence the need to check how any previous marriages ended)

[@dominic6283]

@@ItalianCitizenshipAssistance Does the name on the birth certificate have to match Marriage and death certificate? My grandfathers birth certificate says Domenico but all other documents says Dominick.

[@jagravkothari4631]

Rafael Du furia sir and Marco permunian sir please reply me

[@jaredkmcbride]

Just call them.... don't expect them to respond through a KZbin comment

[@jagravkothari4631]

@@jaredkmcbride how to call them??? You have their contact information???

[@markcowart6887]

These guys talking awful lot without really saying anything. Would be nice to get some useful examples.