TOP 5 MISTAKES IN MYTHIC+

[@coupmd]

Excellent discussion Dorki, really appreciate your tanking vids and stream. There are two kinds of teachers, ones who tell an audience things that they maybe forgot or didn't focus on - but ultimately knew, and those that show an audience something novel and new. It can be quite difficult to pinpoint what a specific audience knows, does not know, or needs to know and how the to deliver it in a palatable method. You are a naturally good teacher and you identify those things that are novel for many players. Instead of teaching cookie cutter ideas, you teach the components of a recipe to success. Please keep up the good work - and, as somebody who cares deeply about learning and teaching, believe me, you are a natural. Kudos and great job my guy!

[@Akuina14]

A video about how to make routes instead of giving a route like If you do this you will get pride here or lets say you ninja pulled this pack then you can skip this pack with invis etc

[@Dorki]

That's a good idea

[@MassimoGER]

Following the type of comments people are already typing in here, i have to admit i didnt know about the manifestations on HoA as a priority, stitchwerk etc etc. I know it mind sound crazy or even not fun to do, but a guide explaining packs, priorities etc is a video many people should seek information of, myself included obviously. Routes doesnt matter that much because one way or another, as you said and i totally agree, people mistake the real reasons that lead them to deplete keys, such as not using defensive cd's preemptively (or offensive for that matter), wrong priorities on targets, or interrupts or dispells and so on. Great video btw, short and on point with valuable info. Keep it up!!

[@bambam5669]

I’d encourage you to go and use MythicTrap website

[@devc.4322]

The biggest mistake I see is saving cooldowns for the whole dungeon until the boss. Use your cooldowns on cooldown; there is no difference between boss damage and trash damage, except on the overall meters where trash damage is what you see. As soon as I started using CDs as soon as they came up, trash died fast, my meters skyrocketed, and best of all? I had them back up for the boss.

[@MrOPD]

Been playing with a tank who started tanking like a year ago - up until like yesterday he was finishing +15 keys with like 10 Rune Tap casts per dungeon, constantly rushing into huge pulls of 2-3 packs with absolutely nothing up, only ever pressing IBF alongside VB, AMS and DRW altogether once he hit 10% HP and, naturally, he kept trash talking his shitty shitty healers who just couldn't keep him healed and his shitty shitty DPS for not interrupting and stunning and dps'ing fast enough and, obviously, Blizzard for making DKs so undertuned and dungeons so overtuned despite everything being so easy but it's just everyone else being so incredibly bad. I had to start basically dictating him every other button press in pretty much every single dungeon and, suddenly, with 4 times the amount of Rune Taps and 3 times the amount of IBF, VB and DRW, with timed AMS for the relevant casts, with kiting at the right time, with stunning the right casts, with not casting fucking Marrowend when you're at 9 stacks of Boneshield, with pooling RP when you know there's huge damage coming in, with all of that... dungeons are shockingly easy - yet whenever I'm not calling those buttons out to him, he immediately starts ignoring all of this again, depleting 14s with random healers left and right, all because it's totally pug peoples' fault. And the worst about all of this: Now that he has a few 15s under his belt he's become even more arrogant and condescending towards other people making mistakes not even half as bad as what he was doing up until like a fucking day ago. It's actually kinda hilarious hearing him shittalk random healers for not being able to top him off when I constantly have to pump him with Flash Heals on every CD to keep him topped even in the most benign situations and he's just completely oblivious as to how fucking unusual and unforeseeable that is. As a reminder, said tank is about to get his Keystone Master mount and doesn't know what kiting or defensive cooldowns are. Yet he gets furiously angry when his pug dps don't manage to perfectly chain interrupt every single Frostbolt of Millhouse on Fortified. TL;DR: Learn to play guys. Or don't, apparently you can get to KSM without knowing anything about anything at all. But I suppose it certainly helps to use IBF before you've dropped to 10% HP - and I suppose you also don't need the CDR on Vamp Blood talent if you're not using VB more than once per 5 minutes.

[@feralkittieh_]

@@MrOPD hats off to you for putting up with him!

[@ddan7538]

@@MrOPD and why the fk you're still with him. With such a toxic person, you're just a double-face

[@Jo-Jo8vs]

Great, I would like to add some topics: Don't pull if you are not the tank. I play tank, and sometimes dds have the opinion they should pull for going faster. But I just don't stand around, maybe I need some seconds for ramping up, or wait for the next CD. That said, pulling by other than the tank often ends in a wipe and costs more time than just wait these few seconds. Use covenant abilities and check who does have which covenant before starting the key. This quite often grants you massive boosts and make this key much easier and therefore faster. Use timer before activating the key and before larger pulls and boss fights, so giving classes like DH or Firemages the chance of a much better performance. Ask and/or track which CDs are currently available, so e.g. tank and healer can coordinate who is using when which CD. Buff your party members without being asked before the key and also asap after someone died. This includes healstones and that kind of stuff. Normally the caster mobs cause the most trouble, sometimes hard-hitting mobs, etc. Mark the mob most dangerous and try to kill them 1st (except specific affixes like bolstering, but even then it sometimes coud makes sense to kill a very dangerous mob fast and focused). Don't release after you died instantly. Maybe the rest of the group can perform the kill of these mobgroup or boss without you, and the rezz you after that or a battle rezz will be used. Best is to ask the other party members about their opinion in the current case. Don't rely on that the tank or leader (means the guy which invited) cares about everything. A typical example is the leaves and flowers in Tirna. So, a range might do this much easier than the tank or a melee. Hope this also makes sense for most of you.

[@Dorki]

Definitely some solid advice :)

[@Jo-Jo8vs]

@@Dorki Thanks, because I'm not so good at creating vids like you, you might consider doing a video about these let's call additional hints.

[@Byhythloh]

I love that little chuckle at 7:56 when you pop. It's having a group like that to run with, and can see the funny in stupid mistakes that makes the game enjoyable. Mythic + has become one of the most toxic areas of the game, unless you have a good consistent group.

[@SinCityVillain]

Thank you for this, i wish more people watched. I'm getting really gun-shy about tanking at all nowadays. It really feels like everyone is so aggressively angry and aggressively ready to call everyone else out. I've been yelled at for literally everything. Not interrupting every single thing ( even when nobody else is?).. ranged dps standing in place and blaming me for not runnin g across the room to get the 1 add that is on them etc. Hardly anyone helps with positioning, they stand where they are and expect the tank to run all over the place like a yoyo. I try to do all the things you mentioned, admittedly i'm no top level player but it really did afirm to me i'm doing the right things and trying to be better. Thank you!

[@nirolf12]

Ignore the scrubs. If they are dumb or talk shit when they play like shit, just leave the key.

[@gollese]

I know exactly what you mean.

[@XiLock_Alotx]

I end up falling asleep every time I watch your videos. Overwhelmingly calming voice. Thanks

[@Mark-xt5lo]

Great video - you made a video of the very same thing I have been telling our guild members for 2 years - Sick and tired of "elitists" who claim, "you're dps, and should just mow down everything at your ilevel" Running keys is knowing how to run the key, not going in and treating it like a heroic dungeon. I've literally been unable to progress in keys because of the "elitist" attitudes in our guild amongst its members and PUGS. So frustrated, and with no place to turn, just stopped trying to do any keys above a 10.

[@musclebender]

Very insightful and an accurate description for many players weaknesses. Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge. I know I have certainly learned several things to improve my skill set.

[@krypticoctopus6892]

I love the bloopers at the end! Please add the BfA Junkyard key when you accidentally shifted out of bear form

[@jordank5975]

My early days were all about saving CDs for a rainy day situation but now I'm using them constantly and damn does it make tanking easy.

[@michaelsmout6895]

The hardest thing for me to get use to when playing m+! So use to saving cds for boss, now trying to get use to when I can use them in what dungs and have them ready for bosses

[@yeoldboy8793]

I used to do this as well and it’s made it so much better this might be the biggest problem fir many players

[@Sfalco_16]

Thanks for the video. Started playing again and its been a little rouge start coming back after 6+ years and transitioning from doing PVP only to PVE content as a Vengeance Demon Hunter.

[@Dorki]

I feel you, also transitioned from pvp only to pve in the past

[@nicktothenick]

Vod reviews sound good! Been handy watching people review their own recordings saying I’m doing this as I’m trying to do this etc (if that makes sense 😂)

[@ruslanssceglovs988]

Everyone should be watching this video before even thinking to step in to keystones...

[@Steelersince89]

I think this video is great for anyone in sub 15 keys who want to climb into the big leagues

[@lefgia]

@@BeastMastery that's why r.io is for

[@FelipeDeLeo]

Hey Dorki, Thank you very much AGAIN for your wisdom and experience! Appreciate it =)

[@jokerash]

me as a DH tank, I regularly click all buttons, when i pull, immediately click demon spikes and fiery brand just to have it as a habit and not overload the healer too much. i still need to work on grouping mobs

[@moridyn6501]

Love all the vids you've been making. Very informative and helpful.

[@chewygaming1]

Didnt know thats how the hoa mini boss works. Awesome content.

[@kuntakentay6969]

Lmao that ending. Dead... “did you guys list already?”....... “no....”

[@DrHakennase]

First mistake is Blizzard reworked Tanks into Kiters gg

[@Jo-Jo8vs]

Yes, some other similar discussion around this. So, bosses are mostly not the challenge, but some trash groups your kitting as hell to get out of their range or need a real massive CD, as I run with taunt bubble. But honestly, it doesn't feel like in the former extensions where you had been able to withstand mob groups for a while. Inot talking about keys higher than 15, so sometimes +10 key (depending on the affixes) a trash group can kill a tank within few seconds (yes, as Prot pala, SOR up etc., ilvl 210)

[@bigfatdane]

Legit the reason i stopped tanking, i want to tank not perma kite. Having kiting as a tool is fine, but when they design the game in a way where kiting is always the best option it becomes boring. Tanking used to be about figuring out how to use group utility and so on to survive a pull, now the answer is always kite.

[@MrOPD]

Tanks are ranged DPS that deal no damage in Shadowlands, change my mind.

[@kruecke1000]

Facetanking mob grps in >15 fortified, its possible.

[@ddan7538]

@@bigfatdane you're just whining dude, if you're not doing m+ higher than 16s there's no need to kite. JuSt get pride for massive pulls and ezpz.

[@thunder9236]

Thank you so much! I'm trying to do more in m+ and some things I am still learning. It's so rare to see people even interrupt and it kills me! Dk and dh don't pop their damage mitigations for the group and it's awful. Anti magic zone and darkness can save a group and they will love it. Tanking and healing are appealing to me but I'm not great.

[@slayman290]

VOD review of some high level UH DK keys would be awesome!

[@melissas4874]

I can't believe people don't already know some of this stuff about tanking. People should do some of these even if not doing a keystone. Many of these are useful for raid trash as well. And don't just run through heroics - practice these there before doing a key.

[@thatsnotmyjesus]

Got me in due to the thumbnail, not gonna lie. Cats in sunglasses and hats, yes.

[@demzzy]

Omg as a tank I can relate to the priority mob thing.. where dps is killing everything BUT the big guy that's smacking your face in

[@LeonAnteiku]

Sitting on CD's for too long is Unfortunately something im Guilty of. i just always catch me at 10% HP popping Guardian of Ancient Kings.... man i gotta Improve myself if i want that Keystone Master :P

[@Dorki]

That is something I see all the time!

[@OneReasonChannel]

I told my GF “babe i need to record you in order learning from mistakes” and i’m stile recovering

[@hugoryland5888]

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[@geraldvincent6223]

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[@hugoryland5888]

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[@hugoryland5888]

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[@geraldvincent6223]

@Hugo Ryland you are welcome xD

[@liptonicetea393]

Watching that in 22. 5:21 - " Eventhough we're in a non-holy paladin meta, you'll see some do well" Aged like milk.

[@ImaFroglmao]

Awesome video once again! Its never enough content if its dorkis fml

[@TexGamer84]

Awesome vid I am sharing with my guild right now!

[@stevieb5008]

most useful video I found. thank you

[@lyricalfroge5219]

The bear does stream!

[@gollese]

Thanks for this video!

[@TheVileintent]

Thank you some great info

[@420homelands]

gREAT AND INFORMATIVE VIDEO

[@kasper1241]

Mages flamestriking instead of doing priority damage is a real issue. And they always have 1000 excuses for why it's okay for them to pad the meters.

[@Dorki]

Gotta acquire that big overall

[@Julija3007]

Really nice video !

[@luciany7583]

basicly for all dps. if you don't make a healer do 8-10k hps he can do dps and it will go faster :) I've had +12 keys with 8k hps at the end of the dungeon... this is a big problem that has to be fixed as soon as possible

[@TheMichalkorejtko]

8k hps overall ye sure man :D

[@luciany7583]

@@TheMichalkorejtko shades... trust me it's possible with a full melee team :D

[@tarisco614]

I keep hearing people say healer dps matters, but in just about every pug I join, as soon as the tank pulls big his HP starts to drop so fast that if I stop dumping heals into him long enough to cast 2 lava bursts he'll be dead. I'll be spamming everything I have and sometimes they'll never even get above 75%

[@bithon5242]

New video yay!

[@lonestarglover420]

Great info, but I felt myself falling asleep because of the monotone

[@jag4rok]

I'd love to submit a vod for critical review! I'm new to bear this expac but absolutely love it. Any guidance on what key level you'd like to review? I'm assuming something difficult around the ksm level?

[@bengiyardimli1925]

So i have a question that may sound a little lame but would be very useful for me. Can you tell your ‘kiting rotation’, like what cc you use and how you manage to create the distance and are able to get the mob to follow you obediently and orderly while not loosing aggro?

[@oskarstork2040]

Pug reviews would be cool:)

[@Bicepspump]

Great video, looking forward to more!

[@xXanderx87]

Bruh, I had no idea you were Tomo. I been watching Tomo on the boards all season lol

[@escolol]

i kept watching the video because of your voice

[@JohnStevens470]

can we get a guide on how to do the halls pull from echelon to third boss and going chicken? :D

[@medicinally]

Honestly, this video is way too simplistic to be useful for all but newish players in my opinion. Oh btw, while not ideal stutter stepping will often cause caster mogs (magical or physical) to move towards you if you start close to them which is useful in the rare case there isnt any LOS (pillars etc) available.

[@Dorki]

It is simplistic but it's the simple things that people need to be focused on. There will definitely be more indepth content for higher level players but always remember, even the best players are constantly making these kinda mistakes. Too many top level mages out there who pad flamestrike, dps who sit on defensive and never use utility, etc

[@TheRiddl37]

Hi Dorki, great video. I tried your KUI profile and I think they are outdated. Any chance for an update? Thanks keep up the channel going!

[@TheRiddl37]

nvm I'm an idiot... got it to work :D thanks

[@memeoverlord-pz5ns]

What if you have boss right after prideful, and you need to save bursts for that?

[@ValientHD]

ty

[@nathana5718]

Thanks so much for the tips. What program do you use to record yourself?

[@derpataur1162]

There is way too much responsibility and pressure on tanks/heals. My group is starting to crest into 13's and 14's... its fucking burning me out dude. I've never been so miserable being the tank. I didn't play much in BFA but this active mitigation playstyle fucking sucks. I can't even quit cause it fucks my friends over. Maybe it'll get better if I start doing RBG's to actually get some decent gear? M+ gearing is terrible to boot. Feels fuckin' bad.

[@calapsesathir4408]

Video review of DoS !

[@SirKenNorth]

Any chance you'll be doing dungeon tanking guides kinda like yumy is?

[@Dorki]

Definitely planned on something for dungeons but should be useful to more than just tanks!

[@SirKenNorth]

@@Dorki Man, who cares about non-tanks? :o

[@dam7ani]

Hey man I really enjoyed the video, Can you tell me where can I find the weak aura that shows all the utility of the team that helps you kite?

[@Dorki]

I use zentracker weakaura

[@whitesy001]

Whats that addon on your top left that shows your skill casts?

[@patomania101]

thats all good and all but than we get kicked of the dung because of "low" dps/heal cause we trying to help

[@bane458]

0:17 why he says even healer??

[@nickpast2252]

No.1 thing to avoid is to play a rerolled game again. Different content, same things.

[@Fernando31611]

6: Play Guardian Druid.

[@4nci3nt4li3n]

I seem to have just soiled myself

[@vladimirmajkic4294]

whats with the cats between u and yummy

[@DDG-Downfall]

I got back too wow on a 5 year layoff. Never liked ove untill now, maybe cus i'm older. I love the challange of m+ pve content. Just need ppl too learn from. I did notice alot of toxic ppl in the pve scene

[@Dorki]

I actually only pvped for the longest time too until M+ came out

[@aandrenery]

You have plans to make videos tanking as Blood?

[@Dorki]

Probably when I have the time

[@aandrenery]

@@Dorki Thank you

[@RhysDRFC]

Please do a video on your party frames, I'm on my knees

[@bengiyardimli1925]

Its the default blizzard ones.

[@itHunterxd]

Dorki is in Limit O.o poggers

[@bithon5242]

Yeah any Limit raider can invite anyone according to Max. It doesn't mean that he raids with them right now.

[@Slopdoggy]

Biggest mistake you can make? Inviting someone from Ragnaros

[@ЕвгенийЩабло]

m+ videos soo much cats but no feral in comp

[@JT-zo2nk]

can anyone tell me the add on he has to pet him now when quaking starts at 8:15?

[@benthrew2673]

1:20 wonder how the healer can heal u when u losing him on this pilar :D i mean there is dudu, but shaman would struggle.

[@jorin8297]

check the healing meter. He took next to no dmg for most of the fight. It wasnt that the heal could heal him even though he is los but that he didn't need to. Also as a heal you get a feel for how your tank moves if you play with the same person ove and over. That way they can pre position themselves in a way that they won't easily be losed. :)

[@TiagoSilva-rv2ws]

would u do coaching for prot pala? im new to the game 1 month and some days

[@Dorki]

That would take too much time I'd have to consider it at some point but for now just watch a lot of tanks play. Can check out tierer and eltharienwow on twitch for some prot pal gameplay

[@AD690smcr]

Should link this to the terrible players in my last NW

[@Frostshokula]

1. Don’t group with shitters

[@grecufilip]

Dragon breath ? no other class has? xd what about blinding sleet the better version of dragon breath.

[@didntbother5786]

DB has a 20 second CD, you can get 3 DBS in the time you would get 1 blinding sleet. Its the short CD that makes it valuable as you will have it multiple times a pull / for every pull

[@Larathen]

>Video features groups mostly made up of top meta classes. Okay so fuck me as a warrior I guess.

[@daddysplinter4125]

Without Watching video i Can tell you top 5 for EU atleast. 1. Dont invite Russians 2. Dont invite pandas 3. Dont invite Vulpera unless it’s tank 4. Kick tanks who dosent share route and says “i have it in my head” 5. Still dont invite russians

[@NotClosedMinded]

Lol wth i play with many russians and imo they are much friendlier and relax then most other people and often good players. Ofc there is always the exception.

[@WhoisGhetto]

dude what mic is that...

[@Dorki]

Is it bad/any feedback

[@eliasandersson8236]

​@@Dorki I like it, sometimes the the s have like a sharp sound ör atleast a sharper sound than the other letters(I don't really know how to say it, but if you listen for it you will immediately understand what I mean), but I think you can fix that with settings on your mic/audio software, since it is a very common problem, if you find that it is a problem and it is not only me, and I dont even really care. p.s. Sorry for rambling.

[@WhoisGhetto]

@@Dorki really good quality man, thanks for the tips

[@TheShubbah]

@@Dorki I think he was meant to be a compliment. Your mic is really nice and clear and very good sound quality

[@Dorki]

@@eliasandersson8236 Oh yeah it can be very sibilant(the word for sharper S) I can feel that too sometimes

[@mattroman8205]

Number one mistake : playing mythic plus dungeons.

[@dominikjors169]

Biggest mistake is playing the wrong class

[@sarah-vc9vh]

1. Ignoring mechanics 2. Inviting idiots 3. Taking low ilvl 4. Having no drums 5. Doing more and less than 15

[@magnedeusfenrir9582]

You sounds like one of many players that is the reason M+ is such a shithole rn.

[@TheMichalkorejtko]

@@magnedeusfenrir9582 why?

[@sleeperscell]

The only mistake you can make while doing a mythic+ is doing the mythic+. What a waste of time to anyone who seriously cares for character progression your better off pvping for bis loot as mythics only offer what 213 for doing a +15 meanwhile heroic cn gives the same and pvp gear can be upgraded to 226. I didn't watch the video either the title ruined it for me.

[@grim1699]

Yikes.

[@bithon5242]

We do m+ bcz we enjoy doing m+

[@jonathanwells9648]

Insecurity much?

[@magnedeusfenrir9582]

ikr? M+ is so fucking toxic right now and on top of that you gotta kite shit to actually get anywhere and that's not fun at all. People are always complaining about lack of tanks and healers and treat them like shit if they make 1 fucking mistake. Tanks leaves, key's ruined for them, they cry and bitch. But hey the quote "Treat others the way you want to be treated" doesn't apply to most people in this game anyway.

[@sleeperscell]

Thought I'd give it another go this week +10 for completion anyways. Got into a NW. Tank pulls all slimes doesnt kite/dies blames healer. Down first boss. Tank jumps plague water into group pulls 3 packs wipes us blames dps for not squeezing. Group destroyed. I say again the only tip for m+ is dont bother for that sweet sweet 35 anima and that 200gold repair