TOP 5 MOST POWERFUL UNITS - Total War: Shogun 2 - Fall of the Samurai!

[@simonstaysnclr]

You expected japanese soldiers, but it was me, PIERRE

[@alexisracine-lacroix2194]

you forgot the advanced infanterie de marine with fully automatic baguette launchers

[@khaak2390]

Wait a minute. Does revolver cavalry seriously fire 2 Revolvers per dude? That explains a lot.

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Indeed they do, they're pretty great.

[@AalfredWilibrordius]

Kha'ak It's also stated in the total war encyclopedia that historical revolver cavalry units would carry up to ten or fifteen revolvers, just to avoid having to reload during a battle.

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

that's why they only have 12 shots. They don't reload.

[@davidthewhitelizard3681]

Yep,modern version of Donderbuss cav.it will do insame damage,problem is ammo.

[@khaak2390]

For everyone commenting: Guys I know that they are very strong (I play this game aswell ya know :p) I just don't think, i ever zoomed in on Revolver cav and noticed that they double wield and fire revolvers.

[@Gregoriian]

When you got skirmishers like Tosa riflemen or sharpshooters, the officer is carrying revolver and he shoots in the same range that his soldiers do. At full 150 (meters?) range. Like .44 magnum with scope in BF3

[@Zorya306]

He is simply built different

[@nietname2468]

Tosa riflemen are even more insane. - No limit - Rifles - Accurate

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Only 120 men in them, I tried them, but they just don't kill as quickly as the units on this list. Except maybe #4 and #5, but as I said, mostly put them on for entertainment purposes.

[@nietname2468]

MrSmartDonkeyLP Yeah the lower count hurts them, but since they have more range then regular line infantery they get more time and can controll engagements even against superior guard infantery.

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

That has nothing to do with the video though. I made it pretty clear this is not a video of the top 5 best units, but a top 5 quickest killers. Tosa Riflemen don’t belong on that list.

[@BlueCosmos5]

best samurai is Frenchmen

[@matthewdoherty803]

BlueCosmos5 vive le France

[@silvertrimhill9844]

*spits out tea* BLASPHEMY!!! Jeeves! Ready the spitfire!!!

[@FucaBigGew]

Actually the last samurai story is based on a French guy

[@dwarvenmoray]

@@silvertrimhill9844 *Spits out whiskey* The hell d'you just say?! Billy, get me my shogun & the mountain howitzer! We got some red coats & some frogs!

[@sirsmiles2509]

@@matthewdoherty803 *Inhales* *_LA_* France, Sacré Bleu !

[@GoldRider4265]

Not even an honorable mention to the gatling or armstrong guns...

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

They really don't kill that fast in terms of speed.

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Their honourable mention was being in the intro. Even in first person mode they don’t kill that fast.

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

I’ve already done the Saga clan overview.

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Didn't really seem like a joke, just a sincere question. My bad.

[@MrHarumakiSensei]

Gatlings have the most entertainment value : )

[@f3wbs]

"Hon hon hon. Très bien."

[@cloroxbleach9222]

oh no, a dutchman is starting to speak french, the end of the world is nigh!

[@AvengerAtIlipa]

Most powerful army in FOTS (how to afk and win every battle) Units: General 4 Armstrong Guns 3 Infanterie d'Marine 6 SIR Guard Infantry 6 SIR Infantry Buffs: Gunsmith Firing Range 3 Foreign Veterans Kneel Fire Suppression Fire (if you dont want to afk)

[@MrPathorn]

If you got all that I would have win the game 30 turns earlier already lol

[@oneringtorulethemagicarp7199]

@@MrPathorn not really tbh, the armstrong and marines are pretty easy to get in like, 20 someodd turns, and then just spam recruit your guard and you can put this together. I'd argue its immpractical, as frankly unless you only have one notable front this would take a lot of the fun options away from you're other armies and you really don't need this much sheer bullet power in one army... but it would certainly be doable

[@ChannelSres]

Très bien, indeed

[@homoalbinos8855]

I jumped when you spoke french. Because i'm french.

[@freekvanderheijden6356]

What about imperial guard cav? they have an insane reload speed, and on horseback all the models can fire at the same time which offsets the lower numbers compared to infantry. And you can even put a dismounted unit in front of them which they can shoot over!

[@fryingpancakes8445]

I won games with line infantry and artillery so fast that I never got to use a gatlin gun in campaign.

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

If you're covering the most powerful units, why not covering the tankiest units so that these powerful units can in some measure get countered ? (I know, more true for Shogun 2 than for FOTS)

[@bskorupk]

In practical in-game terms I consider 1st place Hidden Units, 2nd place Ironclads, 3rd place torpedo-boats, 4th place normal ships, 5th place troops in Forts, 6th place troops with high morale stats, 7th place troops with high numbers, 8th place troops with high armor stats, 9th place archers shooting over obstacles, 10th place that one general that refuses to die! ;)

[@brainwasher9876]

no unit in FOTS is tanky. Bullets just melt everything.

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

that's why I precised it's mostly interesting for Shogun 2.

[@bskorupk]

I have been doing a bunch of testing in the matter of armor vs. ranged weapons in FOTS, ( on the "Rice Fields Map for consistency ) and found that: 1, Arrows and Firearms have similar mechanics, 2, Both have the best penetration AND accuracy at near-maximum range and beyond roughly 20 range, whilst having the LEAST Accuracy AND Penetration at mid range, with range differences effecting the extent of this "Blind Spot" and "Long/Short sweet spot", 3, Reducing the number of ranks by one or two has almost the same effect as using "Loose Order" due to A, Most missed shots over/undershooting, and B, some gaps still being present, 4, There is a sort of "Critical Mass" of armor value, as below 3 armor there is little effect for any weapon, but at 3 armor there is a substantial reduction in casualties from arrows, with the "Long/Short sweet spot" being reduced by at least 1/3 and in the "Blind Spot" by about 1/2, with roughly 1/10 for firearms in the "blind spot" and negligible effect in the "Long/Short sweet spot", At 4 armor there is more effect against the Arrows (including it's "Long/Short sweet spot") but the casualty reduction against Firearms in the "Blind Spot" suddenly increases to about 1/3 or 1/2, At 5 armor there are generally more improvements, with the "Long/Short sweet spot" reducing casualties from firearms by about 1/10, and at 6 providing substantial effectiveness against firearms and being largely arrow-proof. In short, the effectiveness of Armor isn't as noticeable ingame, as the gunpowder units that have the rate of fire to have large numbers of hits in the "Blind Spot" (like S.I.R. Infantry) are accurate enough to make long-distance frontal attacks inefficient, and is harder to notice with proper "Melee Rush" terrain usage blocking shots until the last moment, assuming one is using/dealing with Melee heavy armies deep into the late game/in multiplayer. I hope it's useful, Sincerely, Ben Skorupka

[@wuzhuangyuan]

Napoleon: Tokugawa said Japan could never be conquered. The best troop in Shogun 2: Frenchmen.

[@inurokuwarz]

I think one thing that's a bit meme-y about Infantrie De Marine is that they actually have a decent melee bonus. It can be pretty funny to watch a bunch of saber rattling frenchmen hold their own against Katana Katchi.

[@jossgoyanko7006]

Hey, love this channel. I was just wondering if you could make a video covering the different foreign powers, the benefits and disadvantages to siding with each one (French, British, or American). As I understand it, the only difference is the unique units which they give you access to. Are there any other bonuses? What are the Pros and Cons of their ships and infantry?

[@jyryk4623]

The british has the best (and most expensive) ironclad, it's truly massive

[@linamayela]

Kinda late now but iirc each nation gives a bonus. The British are only available for Imperial Factions, they give a cost reduction to ships. The Americans are available to both and gives an Artillery Accuracy bonus. The French are only for Shogunate Factions. I haven't played Shogunate that much so I don't know what they give.

[@TakopathTraveler]

If you can make "horse go boom" sound like poetry, I think you do a fine job describing ranged units.

[@BM-xx5vk]

Shinsengumi Police Force are a fairly good in both melee and ranged.

[@1987MartinT]

I generally have a commander, a company of both sabre and revolver cavalry, a company of sharpshooters, a battery parrott guns, and 15 companies of line infantry in each of my army corps. Once more advanced infantry becomes available I might start using them once I can afford them.

[@rasmussrensen2029]

Best dlc for a game ever, i would love a victoria total war

[@theplumbum82]

I'm genuinely surprised to hear that the Gatling Guns don't have a massive kill rate. I'm playing a Satsuma run right now where I'm running a massively over-artillery'd core (6 Armstrong, 4 Gatling) because its endgame and I'm rich and I usually find battles end way before the AI get to my riflemen. TL;DR if it wasn't Donkey saying it, I wouldn't believe it to be so. P.S. If you're looking to do another Top 5, maybe most *satisfying* units could be a good one? Dunno if there'd be too much overlap with "most powerful" and it's sure as it gets pure opinion, but it could be fun to watch regardless.

[@theunfortunategeneral]

The Revolver cav are perfect flankers. A bit expesive.. But deadly.

[@johnbu9098]

Yeah as firearm enthusiast and total fan of modern line infantry battles, I get very annoyed when they tell me ammo is low. So I got “too much ammo” mod. Problem solved, endless supply of ammo.

[@joshuacjleim]

The french infantry seem to have higher stats then the game can handle because nagaoka + max exp + gannatte + inspire + suppresing fire gives them about 140 reload if I remember correctly but it seems all the same after 120

[@taeher683]

What’s the best unit for breaking morale? Morale is a more deciding factor and can turn the tides of a battle even if outnumbered or outclassed. Always hated a unit routing even though they had a chance of winning and a large amount of men still alive.

[@TchaikovskyFDR]

If the infantry are disciplined, as in basically not levy, they will not mass rout, some may rout, but not all in a shattered mass rout. Guard Infantry further reinforce that, or vermillion bird etc.

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

A similar list applies, units route from quick unit losses, so a gun unit taking out 80 men in a single volley break morale pretty quickly.

[@koreancowboy42]

I really love revolver cavalry. I combine line inf. with them, I'll charge my revolver cav. to lay some volleys and return them back to my lines then send carbine cavalry to do the same thing except on the flanks.

[@plumpsmedici7306]

2:26 revolver cav are using 2 guns at once? That makes them even cooler

[@titoyama5760]

I still love my ninjas with some cavalry to back them up I like close combat and to have some fun

[@Niscimble]

You should do a list of Top 5 Most Cost Effective Units

[@bjorndevlieger8565]

you din't try Kihetai there a elite unit that has unlimited numbers attached to em and there unique to Choshu or like i call em FoTS Mori(cuz thats littarly there family) and some good stats for a early game elite unit

[@edspace.]

One question I have on the complete other end of the scale; which is worse, European Cannons from Shogun 2 or Wooden Cannons from Fall of the Samurai?

[@haruhashimoto1792]

Hello may I know what's the name of the map you used in this list 3:49

[@spockamania]

Marc! If you said artillery, it would make sense! Autoresolve seems to really overvalue them to the point in which... They kill so fast, you don't even need to play the game - just put them in your army, hit that autoresolve and watch the enemies disappear

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

In reality artillery really don't kill that quickly, I tried all potential candidates out, and artillery were really quite low on the list.

[@alexisracine-lacroix2194]

I understand your point, I think artillery like the Armstrong gun have some of the highest killing potential in the game but that is because they have a lot of time to kill.

[@timothym9398]

I could see the auto resolve figuring in that it forces the other side to be the aggressor and advance on your prepared position.

[@claytonwright6166]

Where’s the love for the kihitai. They are amazing infantry and are only a small step below guard infantry but are higher than the shogun/imperial/republic infantry and you can make as many as you want. If you want a good example of how good these units are watch malakith skadis Choshu campaign

[@christianholmdall3109]

If you Can get to the gattling guns, in melee, then you Will win pretty easily, AS they only have 4 crew members pr unit. A head on attack Wong work, AS they can destoy, evry, single, unit of a thousend. Maybe putflank them?

[@Samurai_64]

Do the French, British and American infantry have different stats or are they just all similar units that have different skins according from what country they originated from? If they have different stats can someone tell me which is better than which?

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

American is best at melee but worst at range, British is middle of both, French is worst melee, but best ranged. All minor stat differences though.

[@andenfighter0078]

Its really been time and i'm happy you did admit that

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

I'm not sure what you're talking about? Am I supposed to follow some kind of schedule that you made?

[@andenfighter0078]

MrSmartDonkeyLP na just bcs i somehow like fots and your vids and op units in fots so this is kinda like and i wanna thank you

[@LordRexasaur]

Well that was a mildly offensive end thoughts on the Infantrie de Marine. Should have gotten a real frenchman to commentate about them

[@vallytine]

Lord Rexasaur Bogdanoff, he bought ze dip

[@ChannelSres]

Shame there's no such thing around these parts ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@MollyGermek]

It's never racist to do a French accent.

[@CoDWikiTMOI]

He brought a real Frenchman in to do it, but the Frenchman raised a white flag and ran away before his thoughts could be recorded

[@alexisracine-lacroix2194]

People mocking our accent really stiffen my baguette.

[@lideruploader6577]

I'm still waiting for some Rise of the Samurai Campaign content bro. (keep it up, u r great).

[@christianholmdall3109]

How do you beat gateling guns, without artellery

[@FedoraReshiramGaming]

let's take a moment to thank the Ikko Ikki for the many volunteers they found to donate for demonstrating these units capabilities... wait they weren't volunteers?

[@Mattulaak]

Too bad they never fixed the gatling guns. They're waaaaay too underpowered.

[@passerbypooh8049]

Horses must have gone deaf from those guys shooting guns near their ears

[@Yesnog05]

Best Rise of the samurai next?

[@badfoody]

Any breech loader infantry ever. I used cheats in myfall of the samurai campaign Gave the enemy factions money Some dumbass AI fielded muzzle loaders but the psychoes who fielded Guard infantry were devastating

[@dramaking9559]

Something always bugged me about the line gun units. Why is it the commander has a revolver but only shoots once and then reload his entire chambers????!

[@guardiadecivil6777]

the officer uses the gmod murder revolver

[@adrianaslund8605]

Basically everything is a glass cannon in these.

[@unclebizz9522]

earned a subacriber

[@princemapping9123]

What's the difference between the 3 types of Western infantry?

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

French one is the best at range, US one is the best at melee, and the English ones are in-between.

[@JohnnyRico118]

This game is great, but the lack of diversity in units is the drawback I think. A line of dudes with guns became the meta in history around this time.

[@CALIMA2000]

Where is nagaoka clan review???

[@ferrancabezadevaca8899]

Can you do more close-ups on campaign because I enjoy seeing people get shredded and now I sound like I belong in an insane asylum

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Unfortunately that's not really my style, I prefer having a grand overview at all times, I'd recommend watching JackieFish or PixelatedApollo for those kinds of videos.

[@ferrancabezadevaca8899]

Shogun has much more blood than the other total war games the closest thing to shogun is a bridge battle in medieval 2

[@cowby6264]

what map is this?

[@theanglo-lithuanian1768]

Nice vid

[@duckaduck3608]

How close was the Gatling Gun to making it on the list?

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Not very actually.

[@josecamacho1394]

everything you've said is all speculative not every battle is fought on flat ground and strategy is more important than might, I've beaten stronger armies with strategy and using the map higher ground ect also if you are defending and they are force to come to you a hidden cavalry on their butt's will completely demoralize any unit so strategy, flanking and using the terrain is what wins battles.

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

That has nothing to do with this list though, this list isn’t “Top 5 Best Units”, it’s Top 5 Most Powerful, I explain what I mean by that at the start of the video, but I’m guessing you straight up skipped that. Even if it was Top 5 Best, what you said goes without saying, but I can’t put footage of each unit in every possible scenario, so I just use an arena map for footage even though in reality every scenario is different.

[@Corgilius]

Darthmod changes this entire list.

[@shrekas2966]

野太刀 Nodachi is a 刀 katana. What you mean by katana is 打刀 uchigatana. Uchigatana was kind of other name for tachi, some people say its a descendant of it because it has minor differences. Once Sengoku Jidai ended, uchigatanas became the most common swords, because they are well suited for civilian life. Maybe because of that, people did not need classification as everyone knew what you meant by saying "katana".

[@2019m-z8i]

"so high up they'd have to parachute down". That's...actually really kinda poetic :D

[@KubernetePirata]

Yep, pay to win bs for Avatar Conquest. I lost all of my progress after a patch, Sega can't help, forum can't help, can't even win a match with ashigaru army. I remembered 3 loanswords going against 1 marine. Lasts the entire fight, the marine down to like 5 guys. Super bs, no balance whatsoever.

[@kristianthedane4347]

Great Guard vs Shogunate Guard?

[@wpheini_1543]

Nice video

[@gre3nishsinx0Rgold4]

The only clickbait I'll support is a thumbnail with donkey's fabulous face on it.

[@dragonkingofthestars]

No artillery?

[@deeznutz5734]

why u leave out kihetai, kihetai overpowered

[@Modfet]

Oui!

[@thelightning7863]

You forgot ARMSTRONG GUNS !

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

They’re in the top 5 best units, obviously they’re amazing, but they’re not the fastest killers, and that’s what this list was about.

[@thelightning7863]

@@MrSmartDonkeyLP Oh ok

[@bigggiechung6936]

Where’s Gatling gun

[@kevinho3538]

A most powerful unit list without Armstrong guns? I am confused?

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

It's about which units kill the fastest as I clearly stated in the video. Armstrong guns don't kill that quickly due to their slow reload rates. They kill a lot over a prolonged period of time, but they don't kill quickly.

[@kevinho3538]

MrSmartDonkeyLP Ok, thanks for reply!

[@Hercules1-v9m]

US Marines not #1? *The crayon eaters want to know your location*

[@zekramnordran9526]

>tfw the most powerful infantry in a game set in Japan are French dudes

[@brokentangent6510]

Au au hua hua....Très bien!

[@bobthetop3242]

ttw1 and 2 dont even have realoding animation feelsbadman

[@jonasnee]

i think guard inf is actually better than royal and US marines, they have better riffles.

[@DoddyIshamel]

jonasnee No they don't......

[@jonasnee]

yes they do, they have needle pull brech where the others have an older version breechloader

[@DoddyIshamel]

jonasnee only in game stats matter and guard inf have the same as us marines worse than royal marines.

[@jonasnee]

that is wrong, weapon matter, there is a limit to how fast units can reload based on their weapon. fastest weapon is repeating riffles such as what tosa rifflemen have and worst is matchlocks.

[@DoddyIshamel]

jonasnee which is governed by the reload stat which is identical for both units

[@Shreendg]

Gatling guns.

[@miyamotomusashiPL7041]

Do you think about making historical battles from Fall of Samurai?

[@Connor-yx4tv]

Earliest I’ve ever been!

[@dimdagreekdimdagreek4097]

There is a mod that adds a lot of new units someone has to suggest it to him

[@historybuff3644]

What's the mod?

[@szymonrozanski6938]

Yeah you know, this is straigh up pay to win, cause honestly i dotn have fall of the samurai. And any melee unit i posses and throw at Shogitai, they destroy thanks to their absurdly high melee attack. My most used unit is Katana samurai, and 11 4 vs 22 6 is basically gg, also they have 40 more than 160 of samurai. Also gun units, for example most have 125 range while im stuck with 100. Or cheap bows taht have fire arrows while i dont. This game is all about tactic and stuff i hear, but honestly its just stats after stats. Outplays can only be performed in campaign. The average player that has acces to those units just destroys me simply becasue their units have way beter stats than me.

[@unai_asecas9070]

Maaaaaan wooden cannons can sometimes be really deadly.... If swallowed

[@harrisaqeel]

Yari ashigaru

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

They’re #1 on my best units list for regular Shogun 2, but this isn’t best, this is most powerful. I explain what that means in the beginning of the video, plus this list is Fall of the Samurai only.

[@chubbyninja89]

You left out the Red Bear Infantry, or otherwise known as the most overpowered unit in all Shogun 2. Then again, the whole FotS roster could be better categorized as shitty overpowered units. Seriously, screw FotS and the people who "main" it. It was the worst thing to ever happen to Shogun 2.

[@chubbyninja89]

Seriously? I'm going to guess you're one of those people who's either trying to talk about something he really knows nothing about, or worse, one of those dumbasses who supports the kind of BS that FotS players constantly do. But the real reason that most FotS units are overpowered BS is because they can not only shoot well, but also handle themselves in melee with almost anything except Katana Kachi, Shogitai, or sword cavalry. And the Red Bear Infantry is the worst of the worst. They are so OP because of one major factor. Their price. And that's 750 gold. for a unit that may not have the highest melee stats, but it has 8 melee attack and 6 melee defense. And they've got 30-35 reload and 35-40 accuracy to boot. Now, those numbers may not seem too overly impressive, that is until you think about how many Red Bears you can get as compared to the elite infantry, let alone the foreign marines. And to further prove my point, what a lot of morons like to do is to bring nothing but like 16-18 red bears to the battlefield and just form up 2 or even 3 lines and just force the other player to run into their guns. And the reasons that's so stupidly effective is because many of the Shogun 2 maps are complete crap and are way too small, there's simply no way to actually out maneuver them.

[@chubbyninja89]

Either read it all or don't bother replying to me pal. And I know there are mods. But mods don't really mean too much in multiplayer now do they?

[@alexisracine-lacroix2194]

If all the units are OP then none are. Overpowered means that a unit is so powerful compared to the others that it's not worth it to buy others. as for the fact that modern units trash traditional units, for me that is kind of the point and it makes sense thematically. Were in a period of conflict between old and new concepts and technology were parts of the population is clinging to obsolete traditions and ways of waging warfare in a period where breach loading rifle and cannons exists. Of course people running with katanas will get butchered. One thing I do agree is that the map is too small for the unit size and the style of warfare. you can have your opinion without being a dick about it.

[@chubbyninja89]

Yet another moron who talks about something you knows nothing about. And you try to justify the complete unbalanced part of the game with historical nonsense. And yes, it's BS because you're trying to use the fact that technology progresses as a crutch for your pathetic excuse of a "point".

[@chubbyninja89]

I'm not an asshole, I can just see through your bullshit. There's a difference pal. Get over it.