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[@tonygreen8221]

Yep. I hate to admit it, but that’s pretty much spot on. We’ve owned about ten 70 series LandCruisers over the past 3 or so decades. The things you mention are mostly right, but they also have woeful brakes, terribly slow and non responsive steering that’s made worse by the narrow rear diff you mentioned. Most 4 cyclinders punch out more grunt and cost less to operate. The overall handling is poor. But, they are very reliable, tough, really easy to get in and out of, have the best dealer network and right now, they still have no direct competition. It’s amazing what you can get away with selling when there’s no one else to keep you honest.

[@jeffshaw2029]

As as old Defender owner and total addict I’m mortified but not surprised. Driving in town or on highway can be painful but the sound and feel of my Defender trundling up a steep, rocky African track is a joy. It has soul and brings a smile to my face every time

[@jwvdberg122]

the defender is truly amazing off road, even if the only mod done are some beefy tires. on road its horrific

[@grantwatts681]

Same here, I have owned most other 4x4's, I've owned my td5 for 20 years, nothing comes close off road, I would expect a new 4x4 to go better, they have all the technology, but really, they are not better.

[@raymondallo9947]

I had a couple of Audi Q7s, BMW X5, VW Touareg and a 2013 Defender 110. That is what I drive now and it is the car I love the most. And like you it brings a smile to my face (and my daughters) every time. It is a heir loom and will never be sold. You look after it and it will look after you. And it is a conversation starter. I had so many chats with people who just came up to me to talk about the car and just had really nice conversation about the car and other things. Never had that with any other car in my life.

[@peterhanson5042]

@@grantwatts681 , same here, I have owned my TD5 Defender for nearly twenty years and regularly tow my 3 ton off-road van around the country. The only repairs carried out in this time is replacing the original clutch and this was only because the pressure plate springs had lost tension through age. This is my forever vehicle and I would not swap it for a brand new 200 series. Most critics have never owned or used one for its intended purpose and know little about mechanical design for off road use.

[@grantwatts681]

@@peterhanson5042 absolutely, I here people all the time say how unreliable they are, well my TD5 has never stopped, ( never seen a LR on the side of the road, have you?) yes I've replaced pully's, rubbers etc but other than that some 4x4 damaged parts, but never stopped. The problem is the modern 4wder thinks his 4wd is the best because he chose it, my blah blah blah Patrol, my blah blah Cruiser, but these guys don't stop to think, all other 4x4's copied the landy, first full time 4x4 ( no jeep was a 2x4 with a transfer case), first ladder frame twist chassis, first coil-over, first deisel, first ABS, first SUV etc, patrol and cruiser argument, patrol ute 4x4 leaf spring 1050 kg, payload 100mm drop, cruiser 79 leaf sprung 1120kg payload, 100mm drop, nothing, Landrover Defender, coil-over, 130, 1650kg, see these guys just can't belive it, the chassis is superior because of the weight it holds, sure I expect modern 4x4 to be better, their new, but are they really better, so many, sensors, diodes, limp-mode, sure nice and lounge chair type, but better, nah, as for mechanics, so working on these cars are easier, I think not.

[@Rally4Life1982]

100% agree. The 79 series is a joke. Far to expensive for far to little.

[@terryjohnsen1689]

79 series is the standout overrated. Only Toyota could get away with asking that much money for something so primitive with none of it’s glaring issues corrected - despite decades of feedback. $20,000 if you want an aftermarket auto with an overdrive.

[@craigdavid6668]

Bit sad because you can’t afford one?😂

[@masonstrano6862]

@@craigdavid6668 they are shit mate

[@craigdavid6668]

@@masonstrano6862 Because you also can’t afford one😂

[@jamesmcmillan2656]

@@craigdavid6668 not many people can afford one, myself included.

[@craigdavid6668]

@@jamesmcmillan2656 Seems like plenty of people can if you have a look at the sales charts mate.

[@Xemis5]

Wow! An Australian channel that makes on honest and balanced call on the 79. Refreshing.

[@ReDriven]

Hahahaha thanks Kevin. - AK

[@samforde4665]

The Land Rover defender dominates cafe’ district’s 😂. Best comment

[@ReDriven]

Cheers Sam! - AK

[@andya2665]

I dont think LR owners do much research before buying, either that or they are so wealthy they regard the LR as disposable.

[@jamesfallon7788]

@@andya2665 Ahhh why do you say that. My disco 2 has been nothing but brilliant. For an off the shelf 4.6L v8 it makes one hell of a sound on the track as well!

[@espkh1549]

@@andya2665 I bought one last month. I don’t off-road in it. I have a jeep Gladiator for that purpose.

[@brackipas]

They are driven as they're meant to be driven. No peer off the beaten track. Way cooler than anything else, that is why people who use them around "cafe districts" are just dreamers nothing more. Try buying one second hand.

[@2mckayda13]

Love my Toyotas but definitely agree the 79 is well overrated and not to mention overpriced

[@Kiwi_Dave]

Nailed it, good list. What gets me about the 79 is that for less money even before upgrades you can get a Unimog which is even fun to drive on road.

[@sonypd9842]

If it doesnt roll over...

[@jarrod1687]

79 more likely to roll, tall and narrow. Only good as a tourer

[@sonypd9842]

@@jarrod1687 read the numerous fatal unimog rollover cases

[@anthonywhitney634]

@@sonypd9842 Anything will roll over when driven inappropriately, which is what happened with the couple of Unimogs. I'd say far more 79s have rolled attempting tough tracks. The proportions of the Mog are more stable than the 70 series.

[@miggity_mac]

@@jarrod1687 not if you get portal axles

[@boratborat8045]

Spot on with no.1! The 79 is so overated! Pro's: Sound good, built strong, fairly capable, can carry a good payload & suit being driven by farmers. Cons: Slow, turn like a barge, chew fuel, interior is terrible, seats are shite in front & back, poor wheel travel, expensive, rear wheeltrack is narrower than front, terrible stereo/speakers & normally driven by tools that think they are cool af 😂 Keep up the good content. 👍

[@wanderingambience799]

High five!!!

[@boratborat8045]

@@wanderingambience799 Highh five, verrry niiice!

[@theoffender3113]

I'm a massive tool.. and I love my 79 which I've spent way to much on..

[@grantwatts681]

Good pay-load, Cruiser, leaf spring, 100mm drop, pay-load 1120kg's, Defender 130, coul-over, 300mm drop, 1650kg.

[@4xoverland]

You make some good points. Two of my favourites are here, both full of warts but both loveable. The Land Cruiser is called a money pit because so many pour money into them, not because they have to, but because they want to.

[@ReDriven]

Firstly, honoured you've commented on our video as we respect and admire you and your channel. Secondly, thank you so much for watching. Seriously, blown away you've commented! - AK

[@brackipas]

Nah mate. To make them perform offroad, they have to.

[@michaelm1589]

Andrew how well do you think the 2 door SWB wagon sold in other markets would perform compared to the variants sold here if paired with the Australian spec running gear? Or would it be a different beast suited for different tasks altogether? What is stopping Toyota Australia from selling it here? Im interested to hear your thoughts on this variant.

[@vmourad91]

Geez, don’t tell me that. I’ve just over paid for an 04 disco 2 with higher kms!

[@wanderingambience799]

79 series is a gorgeous vehicle but I’ve watched all your build videos and you spend an incredible amount of money modifying them. It’s ridiculous that simple things like axle and weight distribution are bad from stock.

[@damilolaakanni]

I'd add the G wagon (from the 2000's) to this list. Built to tackle any off road situation but priced like a well equipped house (depending on where such house is located). As such, the people who bought them never took them off road. And the solid front axle made them pretty much uncomfortable on the road, combined with the over 500HP it made from a twin turbo V12. And it didn't really do the luxury SUV part very well either. The cheaper GL/GLS had (still has) a better interior than the G wagon. If you're going to buy a Mercedes Benz SUV, just get the GL.

[@NickS-mt8mf]

The thing with the landcruisers is they’re known for being able to drive across the desert and then bring you home. A standard gxl (with the rear lockers) is 79 odd grand, and you don’t actually need to do anything else unless you want it for Instagram.

[@dustinmoore9758]

If you were in the states you would be happy to have access to such "over-rated" 4x4 trucks. Especially with a manual shift!

[@mipmixchannel]

not so sure ! i'm in Canada and i see a lot of peoples who don't know how to drive a manual transaxle and they do not want to drive something like that ! just automatic ... and yes, i think they are a little lazy to drive manual; and yes, in city driving manual it's not very easy or comfortable, especially at rush hours; and yes, do not forget "the king" here : F-150 !!! and yes, all American pick-ups could be heavily modified, rise them up, etc ... and yes, Toyota has here : Tacoma and Tundra ... and 4Runner too ... overpriced and overrated too ! good roads to have, i wish you !

[@BrianKay-ll2cv]

An city based acquantance just bought an LC 79 and spent a ton of money to get it up to scratch as per this vid. He sold a Ranger to do this and for the same cost could have bought almost 2 new Rapters with all the offroad kit factory fitted and covered by 5 year factory warranty if needed. Go figure.

[@davidanderson8381]

I had the old Defender for a while and it was nightmare scenario POS. The sad thing bout that, is, if bolted together properly and reliable, it could have been such a great thing. The pity with the new one, is Landrover had the opportunity to make a properly iconic, simple yet highly functional vehicle, but chose to make an over complicated and expensive new version that will no doubt have all the same problems, but at 3 times the price. Thanks for the video - loved it.

[@Wylder955]

I have an 98" defender with a 200tdi and i love it to bits for a few reason but the biggest one it's really simple to work on it in the field. I use it quite a lot in rural areas and with a few wrenches and a screwdriver you can tear it apart and put it back together, no sensors no complicated electronics pure mechanical contraption.

[@robbieb1254]

One other thing you missed about the amarok.... they have wheel bolts rather than wheel nuts....so you can imagine trying to lift and align a spare wheel while sitting in the mud and trying to start the wheel bolt in the dirty thread..

[@ReDriven]

Great point Robbie. - AK

[@garythompson883]

Love your channel. Honest appraisals brilliant. Keep up the excellent work, we will keep watching. I was a bit scared when my vehicle was featured but pleased with the outcome.

[@ReDriven]

Thanks so much for the kind words, Gary. Glad you’re enjoying it!

[@burt2525]

I remember having a Land Rover for a while once. I woke up one night to find it busy breaking itself down in the garage...

[@halenpeters5982]

Keep up the videos mate! Gonna go on a binge of the old ones 😁👍🏻

[@ReDriven]

Ah thanks so much mate. - AK

[@overnightpartsfromjapan01]

Agree on all of them! Rare for car reviewers to be negative in an honest way, especially about new cars... I guess that's one advantage of being a used car review channell: don'tt have to worry about being denied press fleet access.

[@ReDriven]

100% mate. We'd never be negative for negative sake but we feel it's critical to call out the issues as we see them, especially when the majority of cars we cover no longer have a warranty. - AK

[@muhammadbaqir7472]

So accurately listed 👌. Love this channel so much. I want more of your videos, everyday

[@TheMcBadie]

Love how you don't pander to the fan boys. Great list!

[@ReDriven]

I've been sleeping under a bed in a spare room since we posted this. We might not pander to the fan boys but we're still terrified of them! - AK

[@Xemis5]

@@ReDriven Nice work. Never watched you guys before, and was a little suspicious I was watching another aussie hammer everything that isn't Toyota. When I saw the full list and listened to the balanced and reasonable commentary I decided to subscribe. Looking forward to more great content.

[@ReDriven]

@@Xemis5 Ah thanks so much Kevin. - AK

[@TwistedDonners]

Have to admit this was a surprising list but a good one none the less. One big omission i noticed from this list is the X class Mercedes which is just a Navara with a $30k facelift. As always mate an idea for yourselves for a couple of video ideas are cars that ruined manufacturers reputations and cars that improved the image of manufacturers greatly. As i said on a different video while you're channel may be small but is by far one of the best car channels on KZbin. Keep up the good work guys and look forward to Friday's video unless we get a sneaky 3 point shoot out later on this week.

[@Trenrel123]

The X Class isn't on the list because no one took it seriously in the first place (except for the motoring journalists). The fact that that Mercedes pulled the model from sale just after 3 years shows that it was doomed from the beginning.

[@ReDriven]

Heya mate! Yeah the X Class very nearly made it but our experts felt that as it's basically a Navara in a nice suit, it does have some great off-roading chops and they felt these 5 were just more over-rated. Awesome ideas as always. Oh mate thanks so much again. Really appreciate your support man and stay tuned as there may be a few new things popping up over the next few weeks. - AK

[@Sir_Moosa]

Great video. Even the best off roading vehicles can be overrated in some ways or others. Doesn't make them bad choices but just something for buyers to remember when purchasing....no vehicle is flawless. See what best suites you, needs vs desires vs budget.

[@neilkemp9118]

Good list they all deserve it. Keep up the good work, a very useful channel.

[@ReDriven]

Cheers Neil. - AK

[@sarabjitsingh2652]

Awesome video dude

[@BenMitro]

Pretty spot on I'd say. Subbed and like, bell rung. Now off to watch a few more - thanks guys.

[@ReDriven]

Ah thanks so much Benny! - AK

[@DirtRodeo]

The expected the Jimny and the new defender to be on this list! 79 series even here in South Africa is just way overpriced which I think is the major drawback, I drive the underrated overlanding vehicle, Mitsubishi Pajero, I loved it over the time having it and been to places I would have never taken my previous Discovery 3 (piece of scrap really) but sadly selling the Pajero for a Toyota Prado now, the interiors have aged so badly it’s almost like a 79 series when compared to the newer Prados.

[@dexterwestin3747]

There is a YT site that I watch that shows car jackings in RSA and a few other places. So would having a nice Landcruiser or Prado make you more of a target than the BMW or Mercedes that seem to be targeted in the videos? I'm not asking to be an ass, just genuinely curious.

[@shahid-irshad]

Thanks for honest reviews. I loved it.

[@Whyusadd]

Loving your Channel mate!! Can’t go wrong with prado and lc200

[@ReDriven]

Thanks so much Jose. - AK

[@Showmetheevidence-]

Lol… love how YT gave me a Nissan Navara ad right before this video 😂

[@mainamark6969]

Great content 👍

[@kiwirangerover6052]

Love the video and love Landrovers even though they feature twice in your list !

[@chooseboost]

Love the70 series but you’re right. They require such extensive modification.

[@CARacterReviews]

Awesome list! Here in SA, the Hilux is equally overrated. It has become a status symbol, and nothing more. Same can be said about the Ford Ranger and Toyota Fortuner. Great cars! But not nearly as great as their popularity indicates.

[@niventhamanna5563]

Agreed!

[@Samuraihansy]

That depends and not if you consider the Price factor. Here in Latin America those trucks are relatively cheap. You get them new here for abt USD 30-35k in their full version. That means you get a very capable OEM 4x4 without spending extra money in conversions. Put A/T or M/T tyres and you are pretty much ready.

[@CARacterReviews]

@@Samuraihansy that is a very interesting point. Over here, they are quite expensive.

[@Peter_Wang]

You sir, need therapy. Who hurt you?

[@vindieter]

100% Throw the Prado in the mix as well. I saw a video yesterday from another Oz channel stating a VX Prado is 75k AUD…in SA they’re just over 100k AUD

[@secretsquirrel9722]

Nailed it! I have mates that froth over and spend 10's of thousands on their 4wd's. Constantly trying to convince me that I should get one. I have 2 arguments 1, As a mechanic, almost every model has some huge inbuilt, inherent engineering failure that just gets glossed over. When if even one of these faults was in a normal street car = it would be labelled a complete lemon, avoided at all costs and laughed off the market! Hilux dpf. Triton famous sludging. 79 series rear axle (monumental F up!). Everest false advertising offering cash back to hush people. Big dollar, big claim, lifted cars that are actually just soft roaders like the amarok. Heck even my dads old "go anywhere, anytime" defender throughout my child hood. Was bested by the most sinister of foes over and over. Dew! That's right. If it was ever left on grass over night. It would not start until you removed the distributor and dried it out. 2, every single model is sold to me like the jimny! "With a lift kit, lockers and some wheel/tyre combo it's great off road". But what is also now glossed over to compound this = even worse again on road(where it spends the majority of its life!). So they cost a premium for what say they can do. But then you have to spend thousands so they are actually able do what they what was sold on the packet as being able to do when you paid the initial premium? My pragmatic side just wishes they'd choose a purpose and be unapologetic about it. Make it pass basic road requirements but brilliant offroad. Or, make a brilliant tow rig. Awesome to drive normally, handles towing on gravel roads, hills of wet grass with ease but isn't that great for sand or rough trails(rock crawling).

[@ReDriven]

Superb comment mate. Thank you. - AK

[@SalvoDan]

I was half-expecting the oversized ‘Murcan trucks like the F-Trucks, Silverados, Rams and Gladiators to be on the list, considering the number that you see taking up 4 car-parks at the local shopping centre, but then it dawned on me; no one rates them at all. They can’t be over-rated!

[@frankguernier2280]

Great work. Good to see the 79 landie had some of the expensive issues noted not to mention the Gvm problem.

[@wizzylizzy69]

Every 4x4 has gvm issues. Only difference is you can legally go 4200 gvm on a 79, can’t do that on any other 4x4.

[@akar2755]

It's ridiculous how much money people spend to get the 79 series up to an acceptable standard. Yes they are great offroad, but only if you count a mine site or farm as 'off road'. They are meant to get beat up for utilitarian purposes, like a diesel tractor. For touring just get a 200 series or Y62 Patrol. Arguably just as reliable in the outback and million times as comfortable. For tough tracks just get an older 80/100 series, Y61 Patrol or Wrangler. Dollar for dollar, much better off upgrading one of these. You could build two of these up to comp level, for the same price of undoing the flaws on a 79 series (e.g. coils, track, power etc).

[@ReDriven]

100%, perfectly put. - AK

[@thomjanson9644]

Agree with all. Coincidentally, all brand have great marketing teams, plenty of oomph there to pull the wool over anyone’s eyes!!

[@CarloDiLoreto]

Excellent list. Very well argued and presented. Sad to see the Jimny there though...

[@ReDriven]

Thanks so much Carlo. I was gutted when we tabulated all the results, as I mentioned, I personally LOVE the Jimny. - AK

[@bazza2540]

Yeah it's probably not fair to be there, an under $30k pocket 4wd, it is what it is, not going to be perfect for that price. And what's "overated" is it's on road stuff anyway not offroad

[@DawsonJP]

Poetry in motion, you’ve saved me a pretty penny. Muchas gracias

[@adamfreeman7052]

How come Jim doesn’t have any bloopers? Because he’s perfect💖

[@grantwatts681]

Yep, if you 9nly want to carry a can of dog food with you, tiny, noisy, gutless, no payload, head basher, kidney belt.

[@andreimarius9695]

Amarok might be over rated, but my Amarok has manual shift, reduction unit 2x4, 4x4 Hi/Lo and factory rear locker.. I consider it a true 4x4. I have all the torque I need in reverse do to reduction unit. Can't say much about hubs, so far are holding, but I don't have insane offset on wheels.

[@ReDriven]

Oh Andrei, the Amarok is a super impressive vehicle and we're not denying it has serious ability, just that when it starts getting extremely serious when off-roading, a more traditional setup is advantageous. The issue is that VW market the Amarok (at least here in Aus) as a vehicle that can tackle anything, when, as our experts have found, it can't. However, on-road, it is spectacular. - AK

[@andreimarius9695]

@@ReDriven I'm sure is not that great for serious offroad, what I'm saying is that not all of them are SUV' s . :) .

[@THEROADSMITH]

@@ReDriven what have your experts found. Your comments about its failings mostly apply to all cars. Air intake beside headlight is almost universal, as are the low mounted alternators. And most every car has the same sensors. Also what is the correct amount of torque for reversing?

[@THEROADSMITH]

@@ReDriven the Amarok has been to the top of cape York and across the Simpson desert as a standard car. Crossed the desert in one tank. Are you sure your people are experts. These are almost universally accepted benchmarks in Australia.

[@doinitsideways]

I’ve had 75 series, Sr5 Hilux and now a V6 Amarok. For your everyday off-roading (Fraser island, bush tracks etc) the v6 Amarok towels them up… however, the auto needed a low range for slow undulating work. (I’ve had transmission over temp cause ke to stop and wait for it to cool down) when dragging my camper trailer up some steep bush tracks… and I’ve had some brake fade coming back down… I think if VW had slapped a low range on the back of that auto it would have been quite a weapon in all aspects…

[@maxwilliams4048]

Love my V6. But I’m not a serious off roadie. It is a terrific tow vehicle delight to drive and has it hot some get up and go.

[@James-wh4ug]

I looove my 79. Yes they are expensive and the interior is outdated, but for most if not all the 79 owners out there, we don't buy it for the luxury or sound system, we buy it for its engineering ingenuity, you would struggle to find another 4WD as reliable and tough as a LandCruiser (you see some of the older ones with insane k's racked up). Mine (GXL) came stock with both front and rear lockers, insane amounts of torque and you can't beat that V8 rumble, yes even the 2017+ models with the DPF.. I agree, the wheel track issue is annoying, however, you don't really need to correct it for most use-cases, however, would recommend if towing or if you do a lot of sand driving maybe.. You can always correct it with rear offset rims as well as a cheaper option.. As for cost to get it offroad capable, well, you can take it straight from the showroom into the bush if you really wanted to, I did with mine (well after wearing in the engine a little), took it straight to Vic high country haha, didn't miss a beat.. They come standard with All Terrains, fairly certain most of the utes on the market come with road tyres for some absurd reason. The cost breakdown for my 79: $84,300 on road with ARB front bar, side rails and side steps $4600 3.9kg GVM Upgrade $900 for the snorkel $1850 for upgraded 33" tyres $7000 for the canopy About $100k all up... Weight, fully loaded - I sit around 3.3 tonne Of course, you can go crazy with upgrades and spend big dollars, but that is the same for every 4WD owner out there, just depends on what you are comfortable with. You don't need to spend the quoted $30k to get it offroad capable, they are more than capable straight out of the showroom. Fuel economy, again, don't buy it for the fuel economy, it's all about the V8, the engineering and that you can make it what you want it to be, however, if you want it stock, you can keep it that way and still have a load of fun offorad. If you have any questions, happy to provide any insights, cheers all

[@yavuzalpay150]

You are absolutely right, the problem is, most of the people are ok to pay more than $30k premiums, for stardust and prestige of owning a luxury car with shiny toys, but when it comes to paying it for the relief of being in a very reliable and maybe outdated car, the average consumer can't get the idea. As reliability is what you are paying premium for, 79's could only have been overrated if many were reported to breakdown unexpectedly... I think deep down it's a psychological issue, maybe lack of self esteem. It's ok to pay for what people think of you, but it's not ok to pay for what you feel for yourself???

[@ashmodownunder]

Great journalism! I agree with all those points.

[@ReDriven]

Thanks so much Ash. - AK

[@Blueythebear9]

As a proud modified gu patrol owner I was extremely impressed by what was witnessed from the passenger seat of a good friends v8 79 single cab yesterday, thing got put through hell and just begged for more!!! I do agree they are agricultural, out dated and over priced but by God they are tough as nails and bulletproof!!

[@KarlEller]

The biggest issue with the 79 is how much money you have to drop into one before they're any good. Like the reviewer said, if you're happy to drop $30k in upgrades to fix the engine power, suspension, and gearbox, it's a great 4WD, but until then it's a 1990s car selling for 2021 prices.

[@MrAllan875]

@@KarlEller it’s funny u mention that. The 79 is good from stock. Here in Uganda, they aren’t modified at all and still popular with NGOs. They’re tanks. And tour operators just modified the sitting to fit in more tourists. They last with not much maintenance.

[@wizzylizzy69]

@@KarlEller what do you have to do to the gearbox? A clutch of you tune it. Takes about 3 hours lol

[@samcragg88]

Love my Amarok. But don’t do a lot of serious off-road work. I’ll be getting it re-flashes in the near future.

[@andreipretorius92]

This list is spot on. Well done

[@ReDriven]

Thanks mate. - AK

[@Renegade040]

You guy's have hit the nail right on the head. The only one that I might slightly disagree with, is the NEW DEFENDER. Ok it may not be like the old one and full of tech and we need to wait a little longer to access it's reliability, but at the moment i think it's a very good 4WD. But on the rest, you are spot on and i was saying to myself, the 79 series LC had to be number one and it was. Don't get me wrong, when it's fully modified it's an awesome off roader/tourer, but when you look at it off the show room floor, it's just plain crap. The price Toyota is charging for these 40 year old design is just a plain rip off. There is so many design faults, and many many other components that need to be changed or upgraded is beyond a joke. By the time you have finished the full mod, it will have cost you $200,00 or more, just ridiculous

[@jono999s]

I had a defender 90 rusty falling to bits loved it, sold it for more then got a disco d1 bag of poo again sold it for more than I paid ,thank God there's so many clowns like me love them . Now I moved to Oz and got an amarok . I agree 100% 👍

[@msp5616]

Haha you guys are caught between a rock and a hard place with those top five I was shouting "nooo" when you dissed the Land Rovers, but listening to the reasoning especially with no Land Rover infrastructure Down Under I see why Great video guys

[@ReDriven]

Oh Marcus, we LOVE the LR stuff when it works but, unfortunately, here in Australia, they can be susceptible to some major issues. - AK

[@talhaaltun22]

1. My first thought was "no need for 79" 2. As a lover of the Jimny. Sad to see it on the list. But all those reasons are why I sold mine

[@ReDriven]

Mate, as the co-founder and presenter of the channel, I was sad the Jimny was on the list too! - AK

[@anthonywhitney634]

A fair list, I'd just comment that a well maintained old Defender will out wheel comparative LCs or Patrols. But yes, they have their issues.

[@NasTimeAdventures]

Hard to argue these points. And great info for the average Joe like me. Looking to see if you have an underrated list now. Cheers.

[@ReDriven]

Here you go! kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWqalYuIeLaHhbM

[@NasTimeAdventures]

@@ReDriven Another great list. Cheers.

[@geraldselvey7687]

Good news is the Jimny with the recommend mods is still cheaper than most of the others in stock foem

[@AussieBlueDog87]

I had a 75 series. The only modification I done was fit 34” tyres on it and use to take it up in the back blocks of Victoria, up in the mountains, and never had an issue. Originally I had a 300$ hand winch, turfer style, from ARB to pull me out. I put a PTO winch on it later and that thing would pull Christ off the cross.

[@gerhardstrydom5249]

Good info! Practical points👌👏 Some fan-boys are going to take offence, but if the shoe fits...

[@quitecapable]

you forgot one thing about the merc - it is awd, that is priceless, and it is amazing the others dont do that yet. in the real world you use awd every day, if you are slipping off a greasy road, or battling a swaying trailer, it is too late to stop and engage a crude 4wd.

[@ilikelampshades6]

Always the case with landys. When they work well they are the best, but they rarely work well and you need to be a mechanic and love fixing them to own one

[@GhassanAlHarthy]

Great list, number 1 was surprising but true!

[@theboss6897]

If you want to go into the jungle buy a land rover , if you want to come back but a land cruiser lol ... Informative video and I agree . Thanks

[@andrewfryc5602]

Totally agree with the list and I think the 200sr land cruiser needed a hounrable mention for the engine dusting issues and its poor gvm when a caravan is hooked up to them.

[@gadgetphilosophy8290]

Also has low Alternator. Failing injectors. Dusty cabin in early models. Major injection issues. Clunking tail shaft. Drives like a wallowing barge. High fuel consumption. Oil consumption. Turbo lag of and slow engine response from fly by wire accelerator. That’s coming from someone who bought a one new in 2010. Couldn’t wait to sell mine. Big overrated piece off crap.

[@graeme1491]

Don't forget the week cv's, broken 3 so far

[@andrewfryc5602]

I've open Pandora's box😂

[@4bnewb969]

It’s a captive market for them What else do you buy for remote touring ?

[@gadgetphilosophy8290]

@@4bnewb969 I agree. On parts availability alone they are the best. More Toyota dealers than anywhere else. Nissan patrol are pretty well sorted but no diesel. Hhhhmmm. Not much better out there

[@vindieter]

I own a 70 series and a new Defender and your comments are spot on. The one was a money pit to get it ready to take north of our SA borders…the other is great at everything but I won’t take it to the bush

[@travelsolo2677]

Nailed it guys👍 I thought I was the only one who doesn’t understand the 79 love affair. We have them at work and they are so uncomfortable, slow, 1980’s styling and trim and well overpriced

[@SLC2283]

The inclusion of the 79 series is a surprise. Talk to a farmer about why they buy them and put 700,000km on the clock in dust and mud without problems. Some of the farmers in north west NSW are doing 90% unsealed. The bitumen only starts when you're 20 minutes from town. They can't be too bad. They might seem like they drive like a tractor for those who don't actually drive tractors, but they are still better than a real tractor for those who actually drive tractors.

[@mindofown]

Brutal but accurate, was thinking of a 79 new, and about another $70K to spec it up, then sanity prevailed and went against the idea.

[@Renegade040]

$70k wouldn't be enough if you need to it right.

[@Coronnn]

As a mechanic that professionally fits 4x4 suspension and components for one of australias biggest 4x4 part supplers and a classic defender driver I cant see why it makes the list... the chassis was designed in the 70s..... everything else here is modern, everything else has to be modded extensively to get it to climb a pebble, while a good set of muddies is you need for a car designed in the 70s.... that you can pickup for 15k for a cheap example..... the 79 starts at 80k..... I want to see a 79 series double its value in 5 years... thats whats happened to the classic defender. my 33 year old 110 perentie could tackle more then most of the vehicles on the list modded or not, yes it feels like driving a 1950s tractor on the road... but thats why I love it and thats why its so good off road because it is a tractor.. pto and all

[@ReDriven]

Oh mate we totally agree with every-point you make. The issue our experts had was more to do with the lack of refinement and levels of compromise across all the other aspects of the Defender, especially in terms of the later model (and now very expensive) variants. No denying they are iconic and can tackle truly incredible terrain. - AK

[@aidensnacklad4178]

Work bought a brand new 79series troops. The only modern thing in the dash is a Bluetooth radio... not even a clock

[@juanlawrie3666]

Wow. Totally agree with all of this. Always thought 70 series were ridiculously overrated. Bought a new Jimny without testing it first and sold it after one tank of fuel before everyone else works out they are overrated. Old one is actually much better.

[@michaelcollins8194]

I own a 2018 V6 Amarock its done 160 000 in 3 years used as a farm vehicle did alot of heavy towing and agree with your comments, also had a 2018 Toyota twin cab 79 series agree with your comments

[@mohhughes4870]

I really appreciate a third-eye view on ORVs, but - despite their historic reputation - I have owned and thoroughly enjoyed to post-Ford Land Rovers. I am only giving up my current LR (RR Velar R-Dynamic P380 SE) because the warrany is running out - and I will do that with my replacement vevicle (MB GLE AMG53) as well, when time comes.

[@vaughanreed7920]

Great list but the biggest problem with the Amarok is the lack of rear curtain airbags. Unforgivable in 2021!

[@karlsenden599]

Suggest you go look at the side impact crash test results for the Rok VS the other dual cab utes bud. It got 5 star ancap without the need for electrickery, I’d rather have a sore head than be squashed and dead in the back of one of its rivals. PLUS the 7x series Toyota’s don’t have rear air bags either, so ya better include them in ya whinge.

[@darrenprior6339]

Love your list and couldn't agree more. Was partial to the new Defender but, all those aforementioned issues aside, it also possesses the load space of a pigmy's sock drawer. I've never understood Australian's fascination with the Dreadful 70 series. To describe the road handling of that top-heavy, narrow wheel-based horror show as frightening doesn't describe the sheer terror properly enough. Not to mention that for an engine the size of four small ships the lack of oomph is astonishing as is its thirst for fuel. And how the average fat bogan Aussie fits his elbows inside that cabin (which itself hasn't been modified since it was first designed during Gallipoli) is a lesson in contortion that only clowns in a Russian circus could be envious of.

[@ReDriven]

Thanks so much Darren. - AK

[@danthesolarman6480]

I fully agree with the 70 series part. Every time I watched 4wd24-7 it was always the 79 series struggling to get up while the infinitely cheaper dmax would make it look easy I always thought they were good but after watching that unbiased I'm just disappointed they are that expensive.

[@Omair_Murshed]

The last one Hurt my feelings 😂

[@MarkWright1963]

Great list just surprised regarding the Suzuki

[@lexuslfa4739]

you make very good points. Though I'm disappointed to see a toyota there i cannot complain as you make a convincing case of the reason you have it there

[@uluibaut]

Thank you for that realistic insight.

[@brokenlegz]

😂😂😂😂sending this to a mate with a 79

[@craigice9635]

Spot on with the Toyota. Special mention should also go to the hairdressers Hilux.

[@shadmanrahman3486]

Celica in the background looking nice 👌

[@shadmanrahman3486]

@UNLISTED true that lol

[@ReDriven]

There might be a full review of that car coming soon! - AK

[@ReDriven]

@UNLISTED It was in getting the timing belt done and a service but wait till you see how many kms are on it and the condition it's in. - AK

[@gangstashots3298]

Finally got a ReDriven T-shirt I see AK Morris and am glad to see it 😁.

[@ReDriven]

We might be doing some merch soon! - AK

[@nqabankosi6649]

I think a cruiser is good the way it is. It depends on what you do with it that will add costs probably. Plus where I'm from you can get a 2nd hand one with low kms with a few thousand knocked off. Still expensive but it's better

[@kloschuessel773]

Subaru has proven awd is good? *Laughs in quattro

[@lengerer]

I’ve had a few dmaxs, a 3.2 ranger and v6 amarok. Currently own a 2018 dmax and 2021 Amarok. Amarok easily the best. Absolute beast on road and better than the dmax off. Gets to all the hunting and fishing spots with much more comfort.

[@scottandchels6813]

Funny I had read about the amarok having trouble reversing but then I had to reverse 1300kg of cement up a sheepish driveway today for work. It's a 2018 v6 so maybe they have fixed the problem? Then there's that aussie guy that has a TV show? 4wd around aussie, so I don't know. For 4wding you guys are probably right. I love the power and ride of mine for every day life.

[@krishlal943]

Also how can we bring the Holden Jackeroo back

[@moustachio334]

Love the Celica in the background

[@ReDriven]

We might just have a video on that Celica coming up very soon. - AK

[@Triple-N]

Can you make another list like this that is "Top 5 Overrated Over Modified 4WD That Never Gets Taken 4WDing". I'm pretty sure there are plenty out there.

[@kingjulian1549]

I think an honourable mention should go to the Toyota Hilux. I was behind one the other day, about 5 years old. There was so much white smoke pouring from it that you would swear it had suffered either a blown turbo or was actually on fire. So Toyota must not have fixed the DPF problem fully yet.

[@NickHey]

5:33 WTF? How did you get a left hand drive defender with GB plates?

[@slackstringlvr]

Ha ha that's an awesome list (and accurate!) 👌

[@elliottjoseph470]

Loved this one, fair cop as much as I want a jimny I know I can't fit my girlfriend and dog and gear in it and it makes sense, still stock jimmies can go pretty far even with it's downsides and as a car the evokes an emotional reaction, it's king

[@henryrussell7406]

Agree with the defender, had several here in the UK where they're everywhere and recently switched to a 100 series Land Cruiser, the Toyota is cheaper and better in every measurable way, except perhaps styling.

[@damilolaakanni]

Even from a styling standpoint, the Land Cruiser is better.

[@ethanfrawley2889]

Great list

[@SargeNurseOffRoading]

Farrrrk! I hope you don't cop the wrath of 4Xoverland rant on this episode 🤣😂😜

[@ReDriven]

We're just waiting for the hate mate! - AK

[@einfelder8262]

He makes some good videos, but his strong and wrong opinions makes him increasingly painful to watch. Showing his age :)

[@Showmetheevidence-]

The Jimny is a bit “overrated”…. But… factor in the price & there’s nothing that can compete with it. Whereas the Amarok/Defender have a ton of alternatives when comparing on price!