Top 5 WORST Nen Abilities - Hunter x Hunter

In this video I go over some of the most poorly thought out Hatsu we've had the chance to see throughout the Hunter x Hunter anime and manga. Hope you find it entertaining!
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[@brandonallison7782]

I think the thing with Kastro is that he never really used his ability as anything more than a gimmick. He did not use it to shore up a weakness or anything like that; Netero uses the Bhoddisatva to do multiple things: long ranged attack, provide defense, aoe effects, and the like. Kastro's double was used to basically do a sneak attack from a blind spot, something he could have done with emission quite easily. Or at least easier. Developing a short range teleport for his fists and legs would be far easier than making a whole ass double, with the same effect he used the double for. And, because of the relative simplicity, it wouldn't fall apart as soon as someone saw his ability.

[@MonsterOfFear]

Compound interest is based on the idea that very little amounts can turn into huge numbers. Knuckle giving a small percentage of his aura is meaningless considering this fact.

[@mimikyuliker946]

Castro’s main flaw is that he wasn’t a literal god of nen usage. Netero literally uses the exact same categories as Castro, with the exact same affinity but got away with it since he’s a god of nen

[@achraf7416]

@LordCasterwell how do you know

[@person54454]

@LordCasterwellnot confirmed, personally I think conjuration makes more sense for this one tbh

[@leviwatson1891]

I think if Castro used ANY restrictions whatsoever he'd have been fine, on top of keeping his cool of course. Netero can't even use his Buddha without praying first, even if that's also kinda weird due to his own admission, but still, Castro had NOTHING in the way of restrictions as far as we're aware. He was essentially a VERY gifted nen user who didn't bother to learn the intricacies of nen and rather brute forced thinking his inherent talent would carry him, which it couldn't

[@elcalabozodelandroide2]

​@@achraf7416 it was stated on togashi's artbook.

[@madmethodmouselivestreams3598]

Actually, Kastro's hatsu abilities was worse than Netero was because it's whole gimmick was seen through instantly by Hisoka. Its whole thing was to mislead and disorient his opponent so that his tiger fist could close the gap to land a hit. A smart idea, if it weren't for the fact that the double doesn't copy things like dirt or blood as they gather on his actual person. Nor does it retain even if it had gathered while active, as it has to disappear and reconjure when in use. Not to mention it took a far amount of Nen to even apply this. Thus it was wasted potential. Meanwhile, Netero made good use of his Conjuration hatsu by applying limitations. That being giving thanks to karate before each attack, then physically acting with hand motion to control it. Then there's coming up with a practical and strategic use. He played it somewhat safe by creating a great distance between him and meurem. He also made good disorientation as Meurem had no way of knowing which hand would strike him next out of Netero's 1000 hands, even with Meurem's God-like recovery after which hit.

[@twelfthknight]

I feel like Little Flower is just Genthru covering his basis. Countdown is such a horrifying ability with such easy conditions to enact that in most cases Little Flower would just be an ancillary scare tactic, something Genthru only needs as a display of his power to cow his victims.

[@Kal911]

Little flower is useful to keep the enemy cautious from touching him once he revealed Countdown trigger.

[@Tupadre97]

that was the point of the ability in greed island but its still a solid ability regardless. op doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.

[@renatoramos8834]

It takes some stupidity to say Knuckle is using emission for his ability. Conjured stuff doesn't need to be mentally maintained once conjured. And the aura transfer when attacking and being attacked becomes part of the receiver's aura. It's not emission because knuckle doesn't have to do any emitting at any point.

[@bolt4216]

Knuckle's ability perfectly fits his character. He's so darn sweet and he creates an ability that makes it so he never has to hurt his opponent. Great way of characterising someone through their ability. I also think it doesn't deserve to be on this list, for reasons others have stated.

[@DFAnton]

Something you're not considering about Hakoware is that Knuckle is, at the end of the day, a gentle person. He's a beast hunter and, if we assume the beasts are magical beasts, that means that his primary opponents are nen users that may or may not be as intelligent as humans. Human or magical beast though, Hakoware lets Knuckle end fights without anyone really getting hurt. While the ability might seem relatively impractical on the surface, it actually achieves exactly what Knuckle is trying to achieve. It's a combat ability that is designed to eliminate the threat without eliminating the target. And nothing eliminates the threat of a nen user like 30 days of forced zetsu. Kurapika's much easier-to-use ability (Chain Jail) required a VERY steep condition, so I think forced zetsu requires an ability to be either extremely unwieldy (Hakoware) or extremely restricted (Chain Jail).

[@theoverthinker348]

@@DFAnton I get that, I just don't think it really matters. He's a pure conjurer, one of the most, arguably, THE most versatile category. There were numerous other ways he could've created an ability which had the same stipulations of invincibility without going the whole "aura-transfer" route. Also, the ability simply can't work against opponents of his own caliber in a 1v1 scenario, since the opponent will always have full access to their hatsu. Knuckle's essentially fighting without a hatsu until Bankrupcy triggers, which requires him to meaningfully outclass his opponent for APR to have a chance to work.

[@renatoramos8834]

It's not impratical at all. It's an excellent ability.

[@renatoramos8834]

@@theoverthinker348 He doesn't do any emission with this ability. Get your shit together.

[@Tupadre97]

@@theoverthinker348 convienently forgetting that the entire point of knuckle's ability is to hit and run and that its even better with morel backing him up

[@unnoticed9988]

Knuckles hatsu is great for his line of work. Could it be optimized more? SUUUREE I guess but Knuckle isn’t going around fighting Chrollos every week, he’s fighting and hunting animals/beasts. and he’s still a good fighter being compared to Kite. Yea it’s a battle Shonen but nen ISNT battle oriented

[@Unspecifiedweeb]

Hold on... in knuckles case why is it assumed that APR would have an higher interest rate if he were an emitter ? If interest rate comes from the conjured object then it should be independent from nen user's type... furthermore would he even be able to conjure such a strange supernatural construct if he were an emitter ?

[@danieljennings9617]

Thats not how conjuration works. Think about how Kurapikas chains requie him to use Emperor time to get the best usage of. Even if judgement chain is a supernatural effect from a conjured object, it's still stated to require emission and manipularion, and holy chain is still stated to be an enhancement ability.

[@Unspecifiedweeb]

​@@danieljennings9617 steel chain and chain jail both have supernatural abilities even without the usage of emperor time... As for judgement chain: "...but to keep control of a remote blade and impose a condition upon my opponent I mainly use emission and manipulation" is how he describes it. The act of wrapping the chain around an individuals heart and the imposition of a condition are what requires these nen types... the creation of a supernatural chain that can be activated when a certain condition is met is all conjuration. For knuckle... he certainly needs emission to send nen inside his opponent and to activate APR... but once that's done APR (a supernatural conjured construct) functions on it's own... saying otherwise would mean that Kurapika would have to keep his emperor time constantly active after cursing someone with judgement chain in order to maintain the ability... but that's not how that works... once the ability is active it functions independently of the user.

[@danieljennings9617]

@@Unspecifiedweeb The entirety of nen is supernatural abilities. Just because a conjured object has supernatural abilities doesn't mean it's solely conjuration. You couldn't conjure a gun that shot nen bullets without using emission, in the same way you couldn't transfer nen without using emission. The reason Judgement chain works is most likelly because the emission end of the ability has already happened when emperor time ends. While the manipulation likely still needs to be done in order to crush the heart, thats a smaller action on a better affinity so could be done without emperor time. TBH, I do still have my own criticisms of that part of the video, as I would argue that interest is just entirely not emission as the rate of interest has no actual transfer of aura, it's just setting how much aura need sto transferred, but if thats what you're trying to argue, then its different from what you're saying.

[@Unspecifiedweeb]

@@danieljennings9617 the supernatural abilities granted to conjurers seem to be a bit more varied and out there than the other nen types though (barring specialists of course). Creating a chain that steals nen... summoning a creature that eats curses... or a little indestructible doll that collects interest on borrowed nen. You may need emission to fire nen bullets, but a conjurer would create bullets with all sorts of strange effects like destroying nen defenses under the right conditions, or that home in on the target no matter what provided some condition is met... or, to provide canonical example, you can even have a bullet store memories (pakunoda may be a specialist but her bullets are conjured constructs).

[@jeandro1994]

i don't think so, the 10% interest rate is just a general rule for the hatsu, that don't really fit in any category of nen its just a natural propety of APR to work

[@peekaylordington6740]

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[@istheway-gu6yo]

Knuckle’s hatsu is incredibly powerful/useful, regardless of affinities. Absolutely dumb to have him here

[@AdamKurabi]

I agree

[@springlink3188]

I think, taking a step back and looking at his showings holistically, it was not as impressive as it seemed. It's only really success was against Gon, a literal child who was still even getting the hang of Nen. Even in their battle, however, Gon's rock worried Knuckle with the possibility of losing the match. Against Youpi, it needed him to be completely concealed, in constant death distance, and constantly decided between fight or flight. In light of all of this, had his ability been emission, he could have sacrificed the sure-hit of APR, as there is a chance of it being destructable, but would have greater range and faster interest accruement. In the same way Togashi marked Morel's Nen proficiency as basically just ok, Knuckle needlessly neutered his ability to assist in the Palace invasion, or just in general situations, due to relying on a 40% efficient nen category. Knuckle was not Netero, he did not transcend the Nen categories themselves. The most you could argue is it is not THE worst, but then at that point its on the same level as hotel rafflesia, and shoot's ability also was not the best. Probably the only reason it and many other abilities clear the list is because they have good potential and had good enough showings...unlike bug manipulation guy

[@AdamKurabi]

@@springlink3188 you have to keep in mind that, yes from what we’ve seen it doesn’t seem that impressive, but lets just be clear, royal guards are on another level, chapter 7 bankruptcy would be very attractive on average and even above average nen users, it almost took affect on yupi a royal guard, I completely disagree with this ability being on a list like this, this is genuinely one of the better abilities out there, regardless of affinity.

[@Kakord7]

@@springlink3188 It is supposed to be a hit and run ability and there's nothing wrong with that. Especially considering the fact the story tells you Knuckle is incredibly good at exactly that. It never ended up being used this way, but he can also protect others with APR, as he tells this to Gon when he's going with Pitou. It's quite frankly an incredible ability, and nowhere near bottom 5.

[@istheway-gu6yo]

@@springlink3188 His showing were not impressive? He used his hatsu on monsters who had 10 times the amount of aura than Netero has. His hatsu would be a huge problem for anyone other than those monsters who had near infinite aura. Even some of the strongest characters like Chrollo, Hisoka, Illumi would be very bothered by the ability (if Knuckle can hit them)

[@renatoramos8834]

People need to quit this mentality of anime fight. HXH is very much a story that shows people doing their thing and there are some conflicts that happen. Most hunters don't make abilities in a shonen fight mentality. The insect manipulation ability is very useful.

[@danortiz]

Knuckle's nen abilities is based on Japanese Loan Sharks (sarakin) interest rate laons: Yamikin. They loan you money at an interest rate of 10% every 10 days... This is an concept, so he would have not been able to change the rules, (maybe the range).

[@superbeltman6197]

17:38 Come to think of it, Genthru’s opposite affinity is t and if he just emmited little flower at range he’d avoid this problem entirely.

[@RunningOnAutopilot]

The tiger bite fist is a non Nen thing like the assassin techniques that Castro then enhanced with Nen IIRC the un enhanced version could either cut down a tree or break a bolder Also if Castro didn’t care about the deception and just used the clone flat out it would have been much less bad an ability He could even put some restrictions on it, maybe because he’s a martial artist put a large time requirement to summon the clone so that it could only really be used in a legit scheduled fight

[@thermophile1695]

It's even worse with Genthru than you thought! He's a Conjurer, and he needs to use Enhancement to protect his hands. If he puts 100 AP into Little Flower, he needs to put 60 AP into his hands (for 36 AP output), and 40 AP into his little flower (for 32 AP output). This is accurate since he says he puts more on his hands than he outputs with the ability. So he's using Little Flower at 32% efficiency, which is already even worse than using your worst category, but on top of that, if he used gloves, he could use it at 80% efficiency (almost triple what he actually has!) while keeping 100% of his Ko barrier up, keeping him well defended. Needless to say, if Little Flower was 3x as strong and his defenses didn't go down while using it, he'd be terrifying.

[@Tupadre97]

Wrong. He doesn't use enhancement to protect his hands he uses ren (gyo). Nobody just uses enhancement or any hatsu passively like that. Instead all hatsu require a specific activation of nen that is gone after the ability is used once. You don't just passively have enhancement on all the time because that's what Ren is for.

[@feroniks366]

@@Tupadre97everyone uses enhancement whenever they enhance themselves, that’s why pure enhancers are such physical beasts compared to others

[@Tupadre97]

@@feroniks366 nope that's literally not how hatsu works at all. nen users use hatsu when they use hatsu period. if they aren't using an ability that uses enhancement hatsu or something like ko which requires hatsu which would allow for enhancement then you aren't using enhancement.

[@feroniks366]

@@Tupadre97 you are though 💀it’s literally stated numerous times like when gon was told enhancers don’t need complex hatsus and when kurapika laments not being an enhancer because they’re physically stronger

[@feroniks366]

@@Tupadre97 that’s like saying when someone shoots a ball of aura at someone it’s not emission, the nen types are all basic principles and enhancement is the most commonly used one

[@Tomaius2000]

Think you are being really harsh and assuming some negative headcannon on some of these. Knuckle gains conditional invincibility and target tracking with Hakoware - not to be sniffed at. Sure the range might be limited - but its not restrictive. I wouldn't be surprised if not much or no Emission was required for the ability. I wonder if when Kurapika said his chains lose power when they leave his hands if thats because they use other catagories for their power - where as the "game" function of Hakoware naturally includes a level of range and independance as its a pure Conjuror ability. Otherwise even Zodiac level Conjurors like Miyastrom would need their opposite affinity to use their Court Room ability or the Mafia Lawyer with his robot ability would need to emit Aura to each of his robots. Genthru's Little Flower is usually not known by the opponen as he actively wipes out people who know about his ability. He is visibly annoyed when Gon knows about it. I appreciate its not a super powerful ability and you are right - why doesnt he conjure explosion proof gardening gloves? But one of the worst? Genthru was able to use it to take out a Jaspa and hold off the rest of his card hunter group, thats not nothing. Its not a great ability, but certainly not one of the worst.

[@theoverthinker348]

@@Tomaius2000 Hakoware also gives conditional invincibility to his opponent as well. Aura transference has been established as an emission-based ability, so the aura transfer is definitely accomplished via it. In a 1v1 Knuckle's essentially banking on the notion that he can out-damage his opponent WHILE the opponent had full access to their Hatsu. If the ability made it so that the opponeny couldn't use their hatsu on Knuckle, thereby essentially turning the fight into an all-out brawl, THAT would've made for a badass ability. As a Conjurer, Knuckle would still be putting himself at a relative disadvantage 50% of the time (since Conjurers have only a 60% prof in Enhancement), but that would've made the abilty really gutsy and gritty in my eyes. As it is now, an opponent on his level would just beat him down using their hatsu, since, as I've stated, Knuckle doesn't have a secodnary ability to aid him in either fighting or running.

[@Tomaius2000]

@@theoverthinker348 True it does give two way invincibility, but Knuckle doesn't want to actually hurt anyone, he uses his Hatsu as a way to non lethally defeat someone. Its a key part of his character. The invincibility benefits Knuckle more than most opponents, he can also use his talent for running away and evasion when it doesn't suit him. Aura transference could be a shared ability between the two catagories with different methods, like how dimension or space creation is shared between them. Emitters directly give aura, Conjurers create an item that stores and releases aura to another. With Togashi's expansion of the types I wouldn't be surprised if thats possible. It might not even directly relate to a catagory and be an advanced application of Ten or Ren. On the running away - I see where you are coming from, but running away and hit and run tactics are Knuckles specialty - his backstory highlighted this as his special talent with him evading the Police on foot. He doesn't need a Hatsu to improve that ability, he needs one to weaponise it.

[@cheesehampoetry]

​@@theoverthinker348 Apr doesn't transfer aura though. It's never said that It takes or gives any aura from the opponent, it just tracks their aura level before forcing them into zetsu after they reach a certain level. That's like saying kurapikas chain jail is aura transference.

[@PakaPakaPakaPakaPakaPakaPaka]

1) Kastro is interesting because Hisoka himself saw potential in him, and as we know, Hisoka is not mistaken. It seems to me, and maybe it's even stupid, but it seems to me that Kastro simply did not have a good teacher (or maybe he studied himself), so Kastro could not develop his techniques correctly (unfortunately, he did not have half a century like Netero). 2) Chitu is the strongest ant without nen from the Commanders. This guy easily defeated hunters without having nen (and now imagine what would have happened if this guy had at least a year to study nen). But his problem is simply that he is just stupid. 3)I completely disagree with you. Knuckle's ability is one of my favorites in Hunter, and in my opinion, it suits him perfectly. This guy definitely won't cheat. He's one of those who "Hey, let's fight like MEN with our fists and let the strongest win." And the fact that the ability's range is 50 meters also says that this guy wants a fair fight in the open. I have nothing to say about the other two. I read the manga a long time ago, so I just didn't remember the guy with the bugs, and I don't like Gentsura either, although the moment with Gon's hands was awesome. Overall I get the idea of ​​the video, but it would have been better to call it "Characters who misdeveloped their nen abilities"/"Characters who missed their potential"

[@AniSwiftTVRecaps]

he's not saying that knuckles ability is bad he's saying that the ability doesn't make sense for knuckle to use since it drastically lowers the efficiency. to make it easier to understand he's basically saying that a fire type pokemon is trying to use a water type move, it will be way more efficient if a water type pokemon was to use it

[@Kal911]

1) Kastro mistake was to prioritise variety over mastery. He should have master his own category before developing new abilities.

[@Zerker102]

one thing that will always bug me about the crossbow hatsu cheetu made is, that it's not bad for the reason stated. having an attack that moves slower than you as a speedster can be very useful. forcing your opponent to have to pay attention to multiple attacks at once can be very draining, especially when they are coming from different directions. the real issue with his crossbow technique is that the crossbow bolts aren't anywhere near as or more deadly than he is. if the bolts had an extremely deadly poison in them or had a special effect happen once you got hit by a certain number of them, cheetu would have been an extremely deadly opponent to fight. sadly though, he's still too stupid to have ever been able to come up with a similar idea

[@azi-keil9574]

There's the guy who uses his own blood as a weapon, it's a good ability even if he can't control other people's blood but it's his mentality of "it's hard to get it out myself" that makes it basically useless if he doesn't have the nerve to even activate it. More fault on the user than the ability but it seems more like a psuedo-hemokinesis of sorts since it most likely can't even detach and fully move away from his body without him losing control.

[@jr1648]

I still refuse to believe Knuckle is a conjurer haha. One bonus to APR btw, is that it can track someone once its attached. Super useful secondary ability of APR.

[@jeandro1994]

the emission part of knuckle hatsu doesnt really play a huge role , so 40% is far enough imo, he perfectly know how much nen he can lend with an atack and a.p.r confirm this.

[@danielalonso2522]

Knuckles ability is very good idk why it’s on this list over some of the shadow beasts

[@theblacksakura8732]

Knuckle could fix his problem if either he makes conjured clothes so people can directly touch him so he has a better chance of of stalling up close…or a cloak that he can cover himself with since he can’t be damaged with his ability active anyway and making the restriction being it grows or stinks either based on his enemies aura or how much apr has been given so the ability isn’t too overpowering or too weak

[@bromous1446]

Can we talk about how Gon has probably the most creative and versatile enhancer based hatsu? Rock, paper, and scissors each have their own unique purposes to catch opponents off guard at any range (should gon be more skilled with paper and scissors.). While every other enhancer hatsu like uvogin’s and phinx’s are just enhancements of a single close ranged attack with little versatility and creativity to them. Netero’s hatsu is emission/conjuration and manipulation (if I remember correctly) so his doesn’t count. While yeah, gon’s uses transmutation and emission in his, its core is still an enhancement based hatsu unlike Netero.

[@RybatQ]

It's crazy because Genthru could conjour a protective glove and makemit invincible with In😭

[@theyoungknight.3119]

The bombers named are “bara” and “sub”?!😭HOW HAVE I NEVER NOTICED THIS?! XD

[@TySwaim]

Holy shit 😂😂 I almost fucking died when he said genthru

[@ZatchBell24]

Id argue that dude who's only ability is controlling dogs is worse than Knuckles or Genthru

[@lulu_TheWitchBoy]

I wouldn’t put Castro in this list because all he really needed was time honestly. Netero trained for years to get where he is. Also Castro faced Hisoka, so that’s just a bad advantage because how much mind games Hisoka does, and Castro really wanted revenge, so he was impatient. If you think about it-it’s impressive how much he was able to do with his opposite affinity- all he needed was training and restrictions honestly. Edit: In fact a lot of this list aren’t even bad, using ur opposite affinity doenst mean ur bad at using nen- bad nen users are like one trick ponies, like the kissing slave girl, bad users are those that aren’t creative, and make their flaws obvious, and are unable to support their flaws.

[@ithriveintoxicity9877]

I believe Castro was destined to fail *because* he was a martial artist. His ability is suited for assassination/ambush type situations and Heaven's Arena is styled for directly useful/skillful abilities. Relying on strength or Enchancement is going to plateau. We already saw this with Killua and Gon as their strength eventually was matched. It requires a large stockpile of skills in order to survive there and unfortunately, enchancers aren't suitable in that regard unless they can heal themselves.

[@cesarpalma5230]

Now I think Knuckle's ability does makes sense, his conjuration is strong APR/IRS does cover that part, meanwhile he has to be way too close for this ability to work well making the emission part of it suck, a condition as expected. I honestly think Togashi did fix knuckle with this change, his ability was way too weak for him to be a full Emission type user.

[@achraf7416]

what are the differences between emission based and conjuration based clones/creatures ?

[@MechaNoodle]

I don't think there is a confirmed difference. I personally like the idea that conjured nen beasts can have a hatsu separate from the user, while emission based have hatsu directly connected to the aura of the user

[@Nesto_]

Conjured ones are physical (can be enhanced, and can be seen by people who can't use Nen) and usually have special properties imbued into them at the cost of restrictions, while emitted beasts are made of pure aura and often (but not always) given form via Transmutation. Emitters usually have finer control over their constructs, this is not inherent to emitted constructs but is is a result of them having better proficiency in Manipulation. Conjured constructs can also typically travel any distance from their creator, though the range of their effects is based on emission so this technical range increase is rarely useful, doubly so since that means emitters have a much greater effect range for their Nen Beasts.

[@MechaNoodle]

@@Nesto_ I love this explanation Edit: spelling

[@ZuperNEZ]

I'm glad Cheetu is on the list, even if you put him on because of the unnecessary crossbow ability, I was still annoyed by his Tag ability. The fact that losing the game of tag just ONCE means he could never use the ability ever again bothers me. I can understand if he could never use the same nen ability on the same person again if he loses to the person.

[@LastRemote94]

Cheetu's luck getting worst every time, his final 2 enemies are Morel & Silva. Unlucky bastard. Like you said, if his enemies are Gon or Knuckle, i don't think they can win. So the ability is okay-ish, but Cheetu himself need to be calmer & smarter, which is almost impossible...

[@Arma-S]

Not gonna lie - i think Kastro's ability was kinda strong and cool. Because, from what i saw - he actually got Hisoka. He got his arm. And Hisoka was suprised. Hiroka! Surprised! Because it was very unexpected! Hisoka have, like, infinite battle experience! Now imagine that, but going for the head. Heck, i think Kastro could take Chrollo. Simply with one sneaky unexpected attack. If Chrollo and Hisoka are on the same level of reaction/understanding of nen. Now imagine mastering this ability for more years! Like, imagine what CHROLLO COULD DO IF HE HAD A CHANCE TO STEAL THIS ABILITY! This is a sick ability. Bad user tho.

[@deebig9101]

Knuckle should not be on this list. Your only criticism is that it could be better, it's already fucking phenomenal and is one of the only 3 nen abilties with potential to stop the King.

[@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034]

Idk small animals/insect control can be very strong... If he was an Manipulator. Instead of having it be a projectile, he had to launch. It could've been a large invisible aura around him. (Let's say 300ft), allowing him to control and use the senses of any insect in his range aswell as see aura.

[@austinmc12]

LOVE HXH CONTENT LIKE THIS MAN PLS KEEP IT UP! WE NEED THE TOP 5 BEST HATSU NOW AN MORE SEQUELS 🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@agustin12689]

Castro actually had 3 hatsus. Tiger Bite Fist, Clone and his clone had tiger bite fist aswell. Katro was Phantom troupe level.

[@rinGst1729]

Not with that unbalance in his abilities

[@allstarwoo4]

I refuse to believe Castro was Phantom troupe level. That doesn't mean much with the like of Kortopi but would use Kortopi as the average level of nen in the Phantom troupe. Arguably Kortopi is the weakest in combat second to Shizuku.

[@Nesto_]

@@rinGst1729 He totally had Phantom Troupe level potential, but his abilities were very poorly thought out.

[@rinGst1729]

@@Nesto_ then he's not A nen user is not only their pure strength, but also their intelligence, use and development of their abilities

[@Nesto_]

@@rinGst1729 While you’re on the right track I disagree with your assessment. A Nen user’s power is also restricted by aura capacity, aura output, and skill memory, on top of physical statistics. In all of those areas Castro was comparable in talent to a member of the phantom, thus he had great potential. However he squandered that potential by wasting his time and skill memory developing an unintuitive ability. He had Phantom Troupe levels of potential up until he created his second ability. Had he been trained by someone more knowledgeable and put more thought into the math of Nen combat, he could have become a force to be reckoned with.

[@UrosDjukic-z3d]

This isn't worst abilities, this is worst ability users

[@regeterpedro2380]

Hey, a idea to one of your nezt videos could be to judge hatsu of you subscribers

[@theoverthinker348]

@@regeterpedro2380 That sounds like a cool idea for a 5k sub special if I ever reach that threshold.

[@regeterpedro2380]

​@@theoverthinker348 i really like your channel, cheering for you

[@Super17521]

Dead wrong about Knuckle

[@RunningOnAutopilot]

If knuckle was an emitter he could probably feed aura directly to a target It would also be great for teamwork which is very wholesome and Knuckle

[@renatoramos8834]

4:05 Even if Netero was using conjuration and manipulation, it was simple enough that 60% affinity isn't a problem. Kastro tried to do extremely complex conjuration.

[@redacted8843]

I think you're wrong about knuckle. There's no point in speculating how hakoware would've changed if knuckle were an emitter instead of a conjurer since nen types are ingrained in an individual, if he had a different nen type he wouldn't even be knuckle so we have no idea what his hatsu would be. Also some of the most powerful hunters (morel, netero) also have abilities that seem counter-intuitive to their nen category, so it's clearly not a hard rule

[@Nedoiko]

a sure thing that's tragic about Knuckle is his new supposed nen type, even tough he fits the personality test for emission. BUT I think Knuckle has a problem of technically being an incomplete character. we are shown that within his personality, kindness is one of his main traits, and what's truly baffling is that Hakoware is never used as a support ability, and this comes from something that's not exactly poor writting at all, but is something that is left implied by the surrounding explanations. What I mean is that there's few (if not zero) Hatsu abilities that are explicitly explained to function better depending on Aura Quantity,in a sort of "more aura means more power" sort of way. it's implied that yes, technically this is the case, but nen abilities seem programmed to function with specific base floors of aura quantity, and putting in more aura requires new programming to make the ability stronger to use said aura (this is what's left to understand when we talk about using nen abilities that don't come from your own category). there's even 3 Chimera Ant Arc examples, Morel never runs out of aura, he runs out of smoke without his pipe, Meleoron doesn't seem to run out of juice to use his ability, he runs out of breath instead, and Killua can't extend his godspeed mode with more aura, he literally needs to connect to a plug to recharge actual electricity In a way, if Knuckle were to appear again, I think he could be written to have other new abilities, like a new conjuration nen beast that functions like a bank that stores aura he doesn't use (Nanami kento style), and that he can then use to enhance hakoware with bigger amounts of aura, and potentially, even supply nen loans to allies in order to buff their nen abilities, give them extra uses, or extend their duration

[@Ryuksgelus]

Regarding Knuckle, when you start bringing Conditions into account that changes the math regarding Nen Efficiencies. You wouldn't say Kite's gun and Scythe are bad since both are technically involve emmission. Shizuku sucking non-living material from afar is also likely emission since she's basically teleporting material into Blinky/Nen-space on the condition it's not alive and probably has to see what she wants to suck up. Morel's smoke is either Transmuted or Conjured(two of his weaker categories). With Know we always focused too much on his room but not the portals. In Knuckle's case he's the uncommon Conjuror who has a condition to even summon his Conjuration in the first place. Requiring direct contact; seemingly stronger but simple conditions in the series but hard to pull off. Maybe he could accrue more interest as an Emitter but would APR be permanent as long as he was conscious? Would it accrue every 10 seconds? Would it be indestructible? Would it stay as long as he was in a certain range? We don't even know the downside to Conjurations for non Conjurors. I'd assume complicated objects are prohibitively expensive to create for Nen-users far away from Conjuration. Being unfair to Sayird a bit. Illumi doesn't get a psychic link to his Puppets. He doesn't have to stay still like Hanzo to do recon. Technically his only limitation is size so that means little Youpi and Pouf control center are potentially vulnerable to it. We see Genthru's aura distribution in the manga. When using both hands for Little Flower he uses 25% of his aura to protect his hands which uses 20% of his aura. With 10% remaining to protect his body. Take from that what you will.

[@insertname5371]

Let’s be real here knuckles ability is a good ability even with the retcon. And let’s be real here this is a retcon. There’s no way this wasn’t intended as emission. But togashi probably is so distant from this part of the stories material he was like oh he summons Apr conjurer. A lot of the claimed men types from this arc are down right idiotic imo. Taking answers that fit in the personality and application and transferring them to a type that make less sense. I also think the zoldycks are a less obvious case of this too. Not only does the genetic trend seem to exist and the two elder zoldycks not behave like emitters but we see multiple instances of shape changes to aura being transmutation. Our prime example being the fuckin mc who shapes his aura in his scissors technique.

[@kianbrusselbach6106]

Calling knucklss ability bad dmhszt doesnt understand compound interest. Especially when hxh isnt a world taht solely relies on doing 1 on 1 fight and also as others pointed out, it fits Knuckle perfectly

[@thedestroy3r303]

Another 20 min of beer and chips goodness!

[@Hive-Mind-BBX]

APR is definitely an interesting ability, buuuuuuut, can't help but feel like it could've been a lot more efficient, for, well... obvious reasons stated in the video.

[@DavidNwokoye]

The slug shadow beast has to be the worst ability I've seen

[@madmethodmouselivestreams3598]

@@DavidNwokoye in what way?

[@awon6518]

I was expecting the leech nen user whose hatsu is only effective if his opponent has an open wound and if he likes leeches so much he could carry them around with him. The hair manipulator would be somewhere in the worst five nen abilities especially if it doesn't block conjured objects or he's facing an opponent who lets the hairs stick in one arm and uses the other arm to grab them and rip them out. Can't forget the wheelchair hatsu. Nothing more needs to be said about that one. Flutters hatsu is not practical unless he's working with a team. Knowing his opponents location doesn't do him any good if he can't fight. Finally the hair cutting scissor nen user has a useless nen ability. If he cuts their hair and knows they're allergic to peanuts and genetically predisposed to develop a certain disease or condition later in their life that doesn't do him any good. He would have been better off using that ability like Neon instead of fighting. A lot of it depends on the nen user. In my opinion Uvo and Gon, in that order, seemed to be the most effective Enhancers. If Uvo combined his smoke screen with his big bang punch and his scream that would be a one hit KO on most opponents. If they use their hands to protect themselves from the scream, they're wide open for a big bang punch. If they don't know about Uvos scream attack Uvo could feint the smoke screen zetsu big bang and KO opponents with his yell attack.

[@theoverthinker348]

@@awon6518 Some of the early characters were definite contendors, but they fell in that category of characters on which I just didn't have enough info to sink my teeth into. The gimmick of the channel is to get into the nitty-gritty details as often as viable.

[@awon6518]

@@theoverthinker348 I automatically think of those characters whenever I see a "worst nen users" type of video. The way you delved deeper into the topic by not going with the easy picks was refreshing to see. Will definitely be checking out future content, out of curiosity did you have any characters that you almost included? Anyways you hit the mark with what you are going for with this one for sure 👍

[@hcohic9884]

i would argue that sayirds ability is better than knuckle becuase his role is a full on support role.. with the exception of going against guardian beast in most situations the insects can be used to spy and gather important intel and in the worst case scenario that the ug gets caught or is killed the user is still at a safe distance.while for knuckle he cant be a support or stall role becuase he is the line of fire and has to eveal himself and punch without getting countered and he is not a full on fighter because his hatsu takes too long to have an effect unless he is fighting some simple minded enhancer novice. but ill give knuckle this , he does seem to be in a great physical shape and has a lot of energy and is probably one of the physically strongest conjurers and he has a lot of heart and thats something nen proficiency caant buy.

[@lucabouwer3529]

Love the video, and the Genthru hate. but how i wanna see you try and fix those abilities, Definetly not to see you suffer.

[@theoverthinker348]

@@lucabouwer3529 When most people get low blood pressure they take medicine or eat something salty. I just internally create salt by imagining Genthru's stupid face. Also, a video optimizing hatsu actually sounds fun. It's a great idea. Added it to the list.

[@gilgeaschwithkerk2344]

Netero, a genius like Gon, had to train for i think 30 years so he can make the movement for his ability. Kastro trained 2 years and thought he was a Meruem level genius. Kastro was just way to arrogant i think

[@KanderUdon]

Will you be covering the new chapters in October btw?

[@theoverthinker348]

I... don't know. I'd like to, I'm just not sure how I'd to that. Should I give a general review of a chapter? Should I focus on 1 or 2 things I can deep dive on? Will I be able to add visual editing due to copyright/time constraints? Should I forego all other type of content while the chapter releases last? What can I do that a dozen other reviewers probably already do (I don't watch other HxH channels since I don't want to copy their work, but you get my point, hopefully). It's... stressful, honestly. With work and other obligations, I'm barely managing a biweekly schedule as is. The only format I THINK would work, is one with minimal visual editing wherein I offer my mostly scripted, general impressions of a chapter in 8-12 minute long review format. Very much open to ideas and/or suggestions on what you'd actually like to see/hear from me.

[@KanderUdon]

@@theoverthinker348 what I think most of us would enjoy and something I think is probably sustainable is a quick overview of the chapter(3-5 mins) and then your thoughts on things that interested you in it i.e. mysteries, new abilities that interest you, theories, etc. With this I think minimal editing would be needed, just showing certain panels at times. Totally up to you though, ik weekly videos would be tough to manage. good luck!

[@michigun8784]

Oh my god I don't know more how many times I have to write under these hxh videos that NETERO IS FROM EMISSION...the notes of togashi doesn't count until the informations are also in the manga...netero is emission..the statue is emission, the zero is emission, the control is manipulation, the speed is enhancement...the mistakes come from anime where the statue and the devils of razor are made like if they weren't of pure nen emission but like if they were of concretized nen... And there's another mistake in your videos..the shape of nen is also a prerogative of emission not transmutation that gives quality...the appearance like statue or devil come from emission not transmutation.. Different and more difficult to understand as an ability by the affinity of nen is the nen of biscuit for example which is or an emission girl with the transmutation quality to make relax people or is a conjure woman with transmuted quality to relax people but in this case it should be like a conjure with specific quality and the way she could relax could came from manipulation of body people but this goes against the fact that she is a transmuter so I'm more like the relax thing must came from transmuted ability like the young phisical appearance is an extend transmutation of her body that amplified ten ability, and the shape of nen is a simple emission do to the facts that she don't have to fight with that emission but simply bring her relax ability of her transmutation nen to another person.. OKAY I'D LIKE TO NO MORE WATCH A VIDEO WHERE PEOPLE SAYS THAT NETERO IS ENHANCE AND NOT EMISSION..it is very stupid believe this for some note not canonic going against the explicit rules of the nen in the manga like affinity convenience, against what you see by netero using nen, and against netero temperament...

[@michigun8784]

And I saw another mistake in your video... when you say about nen transmutation how to not be affective by the quality and you just put like first hipotesis emitted nen and put the Silva photo...NO SILVA IS JUST EMISSION.. the nen of emission has an his own power because nen is energy so the spheres of Silva are simply nen emitted that explode as nen emission of energy.. no transmutation at all... an emitter has his energy of nen stronger at 100% when is out of his body like if is an enhancer that use nen with his body...no difference...what you sayng putting Silva spheres with a transmuter quality it's like sayng that the punch of gon or uvo become something else to explode thanks to transmutation...or that the zero hand of netero must become something else than pure amount of nen that moves in a violent way.. that's stupid and false.....of course who is more an emitter that use manipulation make his emission energy more to manipulate then destroys like do razor or Silva or netero...the power of the energy is energy which explode, or infuse things or hit things or accelerate ...that's it..an emitter can do what basic energy can do but in a better and stronger way than anyone else when it's outside the body...all others characteristic are from others cathegories (manipolate, enhance body, has quality, has materiality..)

[@slevinchannel7589]

5:33: Not Transmuation. Manipulation. I saw other's make this mistake cause Transmutation is about 'forming Aura' but Nen-Beasts are actually statd to be deeply connected to Manipulation. Also, you cant argue with results:just go count the people using Nen-Beasts: It's all Manipulators and Specialists most-often by-far

[@parkersmith8711]

Knuckle had a really good Hatsu but it might not fit his category it's still really good in the fact it is temp invincibility

[@elcalabozodelandroide2]

9:35 i think togashi just decided to not give knuckles an ability so strong on emmision to lower the bar for leorio.

[@bananabanana484]

Enhancers using emission Nen beasts would actually be pretty cool. You can use both emission and transmission easily, and then your Enhancement allows you to fight really effectively alongside your double

[@danieljennings9617]

While I do think that Hakoware being in the bottom 5 is a bit harsh(after all, there's always the heaven areana rejects), this video did make me realise that it has a lot more issues than I ever realised. In a 1v1 he really is just putting himself at a disadvanatage, especially since he has to give his opponent aura to make it work in the first place, giving them a power boost. It's limited range means he can't run away far making it a poor hit and run tactic, and the 1 month length of time is to short to matter in the long term, while also being way longer than neccesary. Is he just planning to let whoever he activates it on run away? It's a 50 meter range so he'd have to be close by when it activates, so whats the point of it being longer than say, a day. If he could increase either the intrest or the range at the cost of shortening the time of IRS he 100% should have done it. Along with of course the issue of nen affinites it's actually pretty poor in terms of abiliter. Great concept, but poor excecution of the technical assets is how I would classify it. While I do think it's ability to combo well with other peoples abilities should have been enough to keep it out of the bottom 5 abilities, as a lot of the time fights are more complicated than a simple 1v1, especially when fighting without rules, it's certainly worse than I gave it credit for.

[@hartlepoolmono8178]

Sleeping on knuckle smh.

[@hitogi06]

Knuckles could literally just reduce the zetsu time to 1 minutes and speed up the process by order of magnitudes.

[@ivanbluecool]

Knuckles. Guy with scissors. Cheetah and lion guy plus octopus are the worst. Best. Biscuit for her body relaxing power. Knov where he can make a full inner dimension and travel anywhere he's already been to. Those two powers combined would make you rich.

[@linedoffice9105]

Genthru’s Hatsu is even worse than that! Because nen reinforcement is determined by Enhancement affinity, as seen when Kurapika’s teacher is advising him away from fist fighting enhancers as a conjurer, in the 50/50 explosion to reinforcement scenario, he’d get a 40AP explosion but only a 30AP defense. If he wanted to spend 100AP, he’d need to spend it at a 42/58 ratio to end up with a 33.6AP explosion blocked by a 34.8 defense 😂

[@linedoffice9105]

Of course that’s playing it totally safe, he probably has the wiggle room to let some amount slip through and still be fine. But still, ~1/3 effective invested aura going into the actual attack with ~2/3 in lost aura making sure he doesn’t blow his own hands off and getting swallowed up by cross category inefficiency is crazy. At that point, one could probably argue he’s better off taking that hundred and throwing out a 60AP punch instead, truly a hatsu made for sneak attacks, intimidation, and punching down.

[@Ryuksgelus]

Ever think not all damage is the same? It's an explosion. It's effects on the body are likely vastly different than striking, concussive, cutting, slashing, piercing, electricity, fire, or raw aura. As are all of these from each other. Izunabi's example is for straight forward close quarters fighting. Even a weak explosion can damage nerves and char skin which is worse than a bruise or slight cut. Also don't like looking at stuff in units. Togashi gave us percentages for Genthru. He uses 25% of his nen-shroud on each hands and 20% of his aura to make the explosion leaving 10% protecting his body. 10% defense was enough to only take moderate damage from a 70% kick to the face from Gon. His explosions should clearly not only be as effective as a punch using 25% of his aura.

[@linedoffice9105]

@@Ryuksgelus “Ever think not all damage is the same?” Well uh, yeah? Obviously? Lol, I watched the show and read the manga too, and can grasp the concept of Transmutation letting you punch somewhat above your weight due to the kinds of properties it can take on. Like, come on now. Could be debated whether this would be a case of that, but of course I’m exaggerating a bit to poke a little fun at Genthru 😁

[@linedoffice9105]

Still, there’s def limits to how much such Transmutation can carry. The fact that he was only defending his entire body (emphasis there, because his aura wasn’t even specifically localized to the area where he was hit) with a conjurer’s 10%, and still ate a 70% enhancer kick to the chin is only more proof of how much he was punching down in that moment, if the one sided pummeling that came beforehand wasn’t enough. Thus, him managing to mess Gon up that badly isn’t exactly great evidence that the type change suddenly rockets up his severely fractional damage to the point of viability. (And that’s before we take into account Gon purposefully not putting up as good of a defense as he could’ve, so he could both land that strong of a kick in the first place and freak Genthru out. Or the fact that against anyone relative to him, dropping his defense too low even briefly could very well get him killed, so that’s either less aura he can put in his hands or a far bigger risk on his part.) We can’t say that “even a weak explosion” will do all that, because relative to the people he used it against it was anything but. For all we know if he tried that stunt against an even somewhat relative opponent, he might be lucky to leave a burn at all! 😆 Ha, I kid I kid. But yeah, it is suboptimal, it’s just that he can afford to be suboptimal in the situations he usually tries to implement it in. You know, the aforementioned surprise attacks, intimidation, and sadistically punching down.

[@linedoffice9105]

Oh, and also to clarify. I could see a 20% explosion being worth more 25% punch, that checks out. But the mistake there is saying the equivalent would be a 25% punch at all. Cause remember, if he’s not doing the explosion then that frees up the other 20% he invests in the attack, so it’d be more accurate to compare a 20% explosion (at 80% “effectiveness”) vs. a 45% punch (at 60% “effectiveness”) in this hypothetical hatsu vs. throwing hands scenario. A bit more debatable I’d reckon, so I just erred on the side that let me point and laugh at Genthru 😉

[@DianneBrady-n6e]

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[@KanderUdon]

Sorry btw my comment got duplicated like 30 times cuz it was lagging mb

[@MiniBinguss]

Heres how i personally would "salvage" or "rework" the abilities show in the video to make them at least a bit better: Kastro: Tiger Bite Fist: solid, works as is Double: Instead of it being a conjured body, just make it emitted aura in the shape of your body, make an ability to use emission to swap places with the emitted double and yourself, this can confuse enemies just as good as the original and can be used to make others think it is actually conjured. The downside of this would be that you cant attack simultaneously but the tradeoff is that its more efficient. True Tiger Bite Fist: just get rid of it Cheetu: Tag: just put a condition on it, if all 8 hours pass without the user getting caught, all opponents within are forced into a state of zetsu for 1 day. Conjured Crossbow and Claws: just remove the crossbow and put some special property on the claws, like they slow down anyone else they hit. Knuckle: Hakoware: the ability in itself isnt terrible but the proble is knuckle being a conjurer, so to make it better, just give it to any emitter or make knuckle an emitter. Sayird: Little Eye: use enhancement on the manipulated bug so it doesnt die to any other bugs as easily. instead of launching an aura ball, the requirement to control a bug should be to have it touch your aura, just walk close to where a bug is an use "En" to expand your aura, easily covering any bugs nearby with your aura meeting the requirement, or just stand still and wait for a bug to come to you. Put an additional contract on it, things like "the bug dies when the ability ends" or "limit the time you can manipulate a bug for to 1 hour per use of the ability" or "you can only once manipulate any bug (so each time you have to get a new bug)". Genthru: Little Flower: just make it a weaker version of countdown? when you touch someone, you conjure a bomb on them with a countdown of 50, the countdown is linked to the victims pulse. then once the timer gets lower just run away from the victim so you wont have to use much aura to shield yourself from the blast.

[@Nesto_]

Little Flower being a weaker version of Countdown is actually a pretty good patch, but it would ideally be paired with some kind of escape ability or explosion resistant conjured equipment to avoid other people suicide bombing you. Maybe as a failsafe he has a conjured ability that creates a barrier around him with a few conditions to make it super durable if not indestructible. Defensive abilities like those seem perfect for a conjurer, though probably doesn't fit Genthru's personality.

[@evanfuller6095]

I think u just made Kastro a weaker version of the gorilla guy from greed island but the other changes were pretty good.

[@indiasharp5291]

apr would be a much better ability if knuckles personalty was different and he was ok with a hit, run and wait, hidden strategy, he is much to prideful for his ability and his insistence on facing he opponent head on makes his ability very risky.

[@Tupadre97]

Literally all these are wrong lol

[@mfgrobin9657]

While i agree on most of these takes i cant say Knuckle should be here. Is it suboptimal cause he isnt closer to enhancement ? yes. Does the Ability not function at maximum output ? maybe. He chose this ability because just like shoot he wants to avoid bloodshed if possible. But since the title of the video is *Worst* Nen ability i would say doubt and compare other candidates to that idea. Examples like Memory Bomb , Rammots feathers , Prince momozes nenbeast, Nen excorcists, hell even shalnarks black voice is questionable. I never liked the fact manipulators only used one tangible item tools or aimed directly for people. why not use a extremely common medium like air or water/fluids ? far more versatile then just aiming to controll a person even if its a oneshot.

[@theoverthinker348]

@@mfgrobin9657 Please do bear in mind that in the YT game, a brief and catchy title is quite important. While something like "5 Supremely Non-optimal Nen abilities" would've been more accurate, it's also far less eye-catching and algorithm friendly, especially with regards to smaller channels.

[@mfgrobin9657]

@theoverthinker348 fair enough though.. while you did explain the why and how's i do have to say it might be better to explicitly say that before you elaborate your points and not let your viewers guess your intentions by your phrasing. I dont want to come off as pretentious or an asshole. its just that the subject of the video feels too suggestable i suppose. Still good video though.

[@theoverthinker348]

@@mfgrobin9657 Nah, nah, that's a good point. I should've qualified it better at the start.

[@allstarwoo4]

The one I very much agree with is Genthru with little flower. I rewatching HXH for the 3rd time and the entire time I'm just thinking there's not a single manipulator or emitter that can take him out from far range. And like you said little flower for most part only works on low level nen users. If against someone like Razor or even just Bisky Genthru would lose.

[@tylercafe1260]

Nah Cheetahs ability was in fact very strong. He just got outwitted but by all means it's a very sound plan especially if he bothered to actually run. Morels ability showed it's limit when he went against the Elite Chimera. Even when he had him entirely surrounded in the smoke he couldn't trap him and he didn't have the power to even do anything significant with the advantage so he ended up doing nothing as he found that to be the most efficient use of his power.... Which is exactly how Cheetah lost. He didn't use his power and instead waited for Morel just like he did to the Elite. When it really came down to it he was the least useful member in the entire operation and arguably why they failed. The fact he can be disarmed and lose his entire abilities is a huge weakness that can't be ignored. Especially when half the cast figured out how to teleport objects.

[@springlink3188]

Since this is basically a ranking of potentials, while he definitely doesn't deserve to be the worst on the list, Gon's nen ability really was mediocre. Rock was standard, but could have been more, and the other two applications are odd. It would have been better for Gon to integrate the actual Rock, Paper, Scissors aspect of having to correctly guess your opponent's move. Perhaps Gon's rock does more dmg to emitters and transmuters, or to people with ranged moves, or something he could guess about them that would give the attack more power. As shown by Adult Gon, Gon's potential was not held in the other two abilities, it was held in rock, as that was the sole weapon used to kill Pitou, and even excluding Adult Gon is his go to version of the attack. I know Gon is meant to be street smart before book smart, but I think his ability could have even rivaled Uvogin's full potential, with Uvogin basically just having Gon's rock but having been further in acheivig its true potency.

[@pavleradovanovic3560]

Binolt’s Scissors are lame-turning fingers into scissors? Cool in the kitchen, useless in a fight. Leol’s Rental Pod is all hype, but borrowing trash abilities is just sad. Shizuku’s Blinky is a selective vacuum that’s more janitor than deadly, talk about wasted potential. 😂

[@me-es8wi]

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[@Mavuika_Gyaru]

9:10 No this explanation is pure head canon. Nowhere is it stated that APR has less interest because of nen affinity