TOP 5 WORST WARFRAMES

[@KnightmareFrame]

Who is the worst WF in your eyes and why? Useless Warframe Passives: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fqfMd5-hpZ2padE CALIBAN The Forgotten Warframe: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5unon6rhrKZgqM

[@MaxMustermann-kz8zv]

As you said inaros is by far the worst 😂 only reason to use him is to get those keys of baro when you talk to him with inaros prime and then switch back to something usable:D

[@danielemarchetti9544]

Inaros at least have health, useful in normal chart. *where is caliban on this list*

[@fatpigeon2908]

Caliban and Inaros by far

[@kiro3779]

I was thinking I would see Oberon on the list over Valkyr, but guess we could put him as an honerable mention 6th. Yes, Inaros is #1 doodoo water.

[@devinbahm]

Yo I'm so sorry to do this but valkitty is so overpowered in steelpath circuit!!! But yes warcray needs to be able to refresh at will.

[@bloopletank2491]

Oberon: ass is grass Gara: ass is glass Wisp: massive ass Chroma: passive's ass

[@thatguyintherain3168]

You have such a way with words

[@heavenly2k]

You're an artist

[@bloopletank2491]

@@heavenly2k i take my crass very seriassly

[@viktorstabface2074]

The warframe can't instantly delete all of the enemies in a 10 mile radius after I press a single button, it's so bad guys.

[@surtrgow-8260]

Inaros main right?

[@tennoo160]

Inaroa main spotted

[@treyedwards2914]

I mean…..when the rest can do that, yeah it is probably bad 😂

[@awesome7732]

In a horde shooter that kind of matters lol. Your sole objective is to kill as many enemies as possible as quickly as possible. If you can't do that, then what are you contributing to the team/mission? Healing someone? If you killed all the enemies with one button then no one will take damage in the first place so healing isn't worth the damage sacrifice. Blasting sand at people? Why do that when you can kill them? Do you see the problem now?

[@theurbanreanimator7244]

​@@awesome7732this is such a bad mind set and would kill the game if DE actually used it

[@jeansantana1339]

There's so much they can do with an Inaros rework. He can be a consumer or spell caster. He can get his passive to be as good as Nidus' passive since they're technically supposed to be the same.

[@tomzdeluxe]

They are no where near the same. Nidus gains stacks from his 1st ability. After so many stacks, he then gets a revival mechanic. Inaros has a last stand mechanic, which can then revive himsef.

[@TheRagnus]

​@@tomzdeluxe... And is a worse version of Sevagoth's last stand passive given it has 0 scaling

[@jr9529]

And y'know what? They don't really have to do that much. Just have his abilities actually scale with something like power strength or enemy level or a bit of both. That'd make him so much better alone.

[@OliveOil01]

Never let bro cook again your wasting my oil bro

[@jr9529]

@@hellkaiser1366 so like a health hildryn. Interesting

[@crispycream7159]

As a new warframe player thank you fat Kanye west for the advice

[@Percdragoon]

Kanye south

[@Needs_Tzel]

Please don’t listen to him. These frames are actually insanely strong if played correctly. Even Banshee is good if played into her niche. Yes some need a good understanding of warframe but the risk is worth the reward. Chroma for instance is the best if not one of the best DPS tanks in the whole game and has been for years. He just needs a tad bit of setup and he’s completely immune to ALL damage. Loki is the ONLY frame that can abuse AI pathing in a way that COMPLETELY TURNS THEM OFF. Single handedly the BEST defense frame because decoy has higher agro than defense objectives. With safeguard switch augment his decoy is immune to ALL damage for up to 12 seconds which is INSANE. No setup needed just pop decoy then pop s3 and boom invincible decoy that turn AI off with good placement.

[@oysteivi]

The one nice thing about Inaros is that the Zariman mode that disables your skills isn't a debuff.

[@user-dm3zx8ri9r]

Crazy that Loki used to be the most op warframe on every list when I used to watch like 7 years ago

[@ironmooss1946]

Just started playing again a few weeks ago after a roughly 7 years hiatus, booted up my MR15 account to my loki prime and then did some googling on what’s good now and shed a tear when I realized my boy was shit 😂

[@0Rosanna]

​@@ironmooss1946 pain

[@TheRagnus]

Inaros has: 1) Worse radial blind that requires line of sight as well as the enemy facing you at the time of casting, and for some reason has lifesteal on it despite having zero damage scaling whatsoever. 2) Single target lifesteal that locks you in an animation unable to do anything. This one actually does have scaling, it's just so low that it's barely worth mentioning. 3) Crowd control that throws enemies around making it harder for allies to shoot them, locks you in an animation unable to do anything, reduces your visibility, slows you down, does no meaningful damage, and is capped at 50% dr for no reason. Somehow they took Assimilate from Nyx and made it worse. 4) An armor buff that's capped at only ~200 extra armor. It also can be thrown out to heal you and nearby allies overtime, but does hardly any damage (a recurring theme in his kit), has very bad base spread range, and a very low heal over time if you don't hit a lot of enemies.

[@darkz1456]

gotta feel sad for the inaros defenders

[@pixledriven]

and no shield gate

[@michalduchac4506]

Put HP mods to inaros to make 9k HP then give him arcane grace and arcane guardian.... Then go to SP survival... Let him stand 20 minutes in same locacion... Then came back ... Whatt you will see? Live inaros with full HP

[@pixledriven]

@@michalduchac4506 I don't believe the point here is whether Inaros' gimick works or not, but that there's many frames that can carry a gun and not die. Inaros is supposed to be a casting frame, but there's no reason to ever use his abilities.

[@DientjeLaloan]

​@@michalduchac4506arcane grace and energize is very expensive, i can use revenant without rank 5 arcanes and still not be able to die in 5 hour survivals

[@ImDaRealBoi]

To be fair to inaros, they got his concept down perfectly. He's an ancient ass relic and should be buried

[@Ray-ko1po]

To be fair Loki is just a relic of the past that did a lot of thing that warframe could not do back in the old days. They have the league of legends syndrome where they need to stop realizing new champions and update the old ones

[@Alexander_Kaa]

I still want Hydroids Puddle ability back. Latch it to his second ability. You tap 2 it's a wave, you hold 2 it's a puddle. Rework it somehow ofcourse. The ability to dissolve into puddle of water and drag your enemies into the deep, to drown them is awesome and terrifying as a concept. The implementation was shite. So gimme back my puddle but make it work!

[@deicide7216]

I just think that people aren't building Yareli properly. I literally do not die in Steel Path with her while red crit'ing with kitguns. One solution for her is just like Titania gets smaller in her pixie form, also reduce Yareli's size while on the k-drive so she doesn't get stuck on everything and would help her manoeuvre on certain tiles. Also let her use abilities and primary while on the k-drive.

[@KnightmareFrame]

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[@jasonrouse8215]

It's not that she isn't built right, her kit just kind of sucks... it fits thematically, but that's about it, it's not cohesive. If merulina had, let's say, better movement and granted a buff ( resist knockdown + increases skill range), that might have made a difference, but I agree with what KnightmareFrame said, she has knockbacks and a close ranged aoe skill with mediocre damage. She needs a lot of TLC to be good, though she's still better off than Loki or Inaros, as it's just "some" of her kit, and not the whole thing that sucks. She's like a discount Gyre/ Zephyr hybrid with a mental disability. I don't like the frame visually (too many frills 'n shit), but her kit is sorely lacking, which is my main reason for disliking her. To all Yareli lovers, you're entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong. :P Jk. You love what you love, aint no one gonna tell you how to enjoy YOUR time playing a game.

[@hothstorm]

​@@KnightmareFramehe did say "do not die" rather than just "do" but mostly valid point.

[@Saffimaru]

Yup, everyone else is the problem, it couldn’t possibly be that the frame sucks

[@faithfulfollower980]

@@Saffimaru nah, the quest behind her just sucks, so no one even has her to begin with

[@devonleonard6926]

Valkyr's ripline was a godsend in the early days, back when bullet jump was one of Excalibur's abilities and cost 75 energy

[@IshimuraaYT]

What’s even worse about valkyr’s passive making landing soft…if you just tap the slide button before you land you will have no land animation 🤣

[@noodlenoms1569]

As a yareli main I have a few things to point out: 1. sea snares and riptide are more than "decent" sea snares gives a ton of damage vulnerability to enemies caught in them and riptide is great at grouping enemies. 2. merulina takes 90% of damage for Yareli and can have its health refilled if using the "merulina guardian" augment which in my experience makes you practically immortal. 3. merulina is actually pretty fast and most of what you talked about it being slow or clunky is just a matter of you not driving it right. 4. auqablades has no reason to need to scale with range, considering that Yareli is mostly based on movement you will be constantly be running into enemies. 5. the real bread and butter of yarelli in my opinion is her passive of +200% crit chance to secondaries while moving, my secondaries to consistantly orange or red crit while having insane fire rate from merulina guardian 6. I will admit K-drives are a bit...𝒲𝒶𝒸𝓀𝓎 it can also be used in your favor to invalidate certain things like defixio debuffs in abyssal zone or netracell keyglyph debuffs. TLDR: Yareli Is a great frame that can DOMINATE with a good crit secondary weapon while providing decent crowd control. merulina can be a bit glitchy at times but otherwise gives great survivability and utility

[@DBD120]

Loki main since 2013 still waiting for them to give him much needed love.

[@sarbnitrof4663]

Same brother, same.

[@jaeinoushryuk2743]

How to fix Inaros: First ability: Increase AoE and make it decrease enemy's armor and apply corrosive status Second ability: Select an enemy and gain ability strength, armor, and extra health based on enemy level Third Ability: Make him invulnerable, scale with how many corrosive effects are within enemies trapped in it and heal based on damage dealt Fourth Ability: Gain damage reduction (not armor, limit 95%) and store 50% of damage received (scaling with ability strength) and be able to recast and deal AoE damage to enemies around you Passive: When dying, enter a frenzy state (with scaling duration) in which you'll only be able to use your Melee, but every hit applies viral on enemies. When killing an enemy with both viral and corrosive status effects, revive with half your health I like using Inaros, but I have to admit his abilities (except for his 4th which still isn't that good) are useless. He's just a tanky weapon stand that doesn't really have any synergy not even within his own kit. Yeah, his abilities are all based on sand, Caliban's abilities are all based on sentients, that doesn't make them synergize.

[@NunDragonfly]

Alternative title: top 5 most outdated warframes

[@user-jy6rd6ut4m]

Ahhh, how good it is that Inaros was reworked, now he is an OP immortal vacuum cleaner.

[@caticusgaming9691]

I used to like Inaros.... then I tried Zephyr and Wukong and now wonder, why did I like Inaros again?

[@brandoljorge3037]

wukong the goat

[@gogetsomevitamind]

Inaros mains: Inaros is so tanky, and can life steal to stay alive Revenant: Tanky, can life steal and take shields, can make a puppet army in one button press. Inaros, but way better

[@patricklukcy13]

I don't disagree and am an inaros main. My next two favorite frames are Ivara and revenant. Inaros just has a different vibe to him. He's more hectic and on the move. More offensive in his play. You have to be with him else he flunders hard. With revenant he plays can slower and does more control than tanking. Both are fun, but both also have their place.

[@NTrophy-]

For anyone still coping, grendel has more ehp than inaros and has a shield gate. Inaros is not even a good health tank

[@0Rosanna]

In the old days he used to be

[@DientjeLaloan]

​@@0Rosannayeah before steel path when everything was so easy u could take squishy frames and also not die

[@epic_afk9333]

Loki is indeed good at a few things: mining, fishing, hunting and being lazy

[@bitlessmind]

No. That's Ivaras playground. You want(ed) to use Loki if you need(ed) invisibility in fast paced missions with energy drain (capture, spy, rescue) or if you want(ed) to fast farm for relics in Hepit or Ukko.

[@Fixti0n]

Loki is a sad story, he went from the Undisputed top S tier frame, but slowly over time he has gone from S to A, then A to B, B to C and now he is all the way down here at the bottom.

[@PatrackaAff]

Iranos is really a big life stone, that's all. Everything Valkyr does, other Frames do better. I've always dreamed of a rework in Valvyr, but it seems to be a frame that is invisible to DE's eyes. Loki was useful in the game's past, but as the operator gained new uses, Loki became obsolete. Loki is still useful for running drone escorts on the Plains of Eidolon. It's also worth remembering that after the eximus rework, a lot of things in Warframe are no longer useful. I'm surprised you didn't include Banshee on this list, after the nerfs she serves practically nothing in the game

[@nicholasleroy5453]

I mean aside from yareli, who isn't excluded from this conclusion, they were all warframes from the earliest warframe years when they were getting their feet wet, form over function, themes first balance later. Also I'm a yareli coper, don't listen to me.

[@BoneheadPlays]

That’s true but that makes the neglect of these frames even worse as they have had sufficient time to rework them

[@xenogengas9693]

I will continue to play yareli, as i have since she released. With almost 1500 hours since i started in 2015, shes about to be my most played frame. Overtaking all of my previous mains.

[@darksteelmenace595]

Bruh valkyr is an immortal berserker who shreds even high level enemies like paper, what more do you want man?

[@yungamare4750]

Merulina isn’t slow. It just clips on objects. In raw speed you can dust almost anything that isn’t titania

[@NathanTruby]

I really do hope Valkyr gets a great rework. As it stands, she has 2 useless abilities, 1 good one and an Exalted weapon that needs an update. Maybe they could integrate the Tennokai system into something thats unique for her since her Prime form is supposed to be a controlled rage (similar to modern-day Kratos), but we'll have to wait and see what dark magic Pablo works on her. I just want my old main to be good...

[@michalduchac4506]

Valkyr is probably best melee frame ... Just your modding is bad ..

[@NathanTruby]

@michalduchac4506 no, that would probably go to Gauss or Kullervo. She's not even the best Exalted frame since Baruuk nullifies her existence via Serene Storm and its augment. I love her just as much as you seem to, but she's not the best at anything right now.

[@xenogengas9693]

Idk, getting her talons to red crit is already possible, she may not need a rework, just needs the right build.

[@NathanTruby]

@xenogengas9693 red crits aren't everything. You need a good base kit to go with it, and as it stands, Valkyr only has 2 abilities that you'd want to use regularly.

[@xenogengas9693]

@@NathanTruby Lvl cap isnt everything either. But all i hear is people trying to brag about it. Besides valk is not a bad frame, she has a solid base. Tho i will say a rework would be nice, shes one of the last frames id ask for a rework for.

[@Smoovkillalot]

As someone who remembers when all these Warframes came out a lot of these used to be some of my favorite frames. It’s sad that they’re fodder now

[@user-ix9pf2sy4v]

I still play Valkyr so I don’t give a sh*t

[@MEYH3M]

for god sake no more yareli reworks! she received multiple reworks between 2021 and 2022. let's move on and show some love to other frames like Oberon or Caliban.

[@mrwatermelontheexotic3448]

Oberon Poor man has been shafted by power creep and its awful If anything caliban needs an actual 1,but he's a great at everything else,the shield buffs gave him justice

[@santohalim1355]

I wanna object Yareli, cause of 200% crit chance passive, 90% dmg reduction while on merulina. 200% reload & fire rate augment. and more than 200% dmg vulnerability.(how can yareli be worst????) I manage to build the secondary Gatling that can do million dmg each bullet(I know y know which weapon), while surviving easily(not moving much, except violence). using merulina is indeed need player skill(which can handled with some training). for other I totally agree

[@Nephale]

This video is 7 months old. Loyal merulina turns her into better nezha. She is fine now. Only her 3rd skill is useless outside of low level missions. With some strength she spreads 300%+ dmg vuln everywhere while also having strong cc. Definitely not trash anymore.

[@noodlenoms1569]

Fellow yareli enjoyer 😎

[@caghynicolas14]

I just hate the shit they did to wukong. Bro why my clone using my ammo

[@theplaguedoctor794]

THATS WHAT IM SAYIN

[@zombine555]

Because a boom gun like Bramma being both buffed AND having infinite ammo in the hands of the clone is alil too much. Blame afk farmers.

[@caghynicolas14]

@@zombine555 on top of that the clone will just stand there half of the time meanwhile the greeneer gunner just shower you with bullets.

[@caghynicolas14]

@@zombine555 P.S: they could've make it in a way that the clone has to pick up ammo by himself at least.

[@Lumpz4k]

Nyx woulda made the list for me. She isn't remotely bad. Her kit just feels a lil dated and unfitting. Like her namesake is a ancient greek goddess of darkness who births some of the most terrifying beings and and the best thing she can do is armor strip and turtle? I understand the frames ten years old so i wont talk too much about her looking like a female excalibur but its also an issue lmao.

[@joewylie8187]

Nyx hasn’t been useful since running LOR but we traded that game mode for pyrol farming instead 🤷🏻

[@GameAssassinReviews]

Valkyr being the first on the list breaks my heart. As a Valkyr main I have invested a lot of forma into her, to make her a tank without needing to use her 4. I even have a second Valkyr prime that I have made to just use her 4, ironically enough using your build to have basically infinite hysteria, the reason I don't really like those types of builds is because they aren't flexible, you have to use her 4 and nothing else. I do agree she needs a big rework to make her good, because I remember loving playing with her when i got her in the past. when I was first starting out and still rather new to the game I remember seeing a vid on Valkyr and at that time I had her in my foundry and after I claimed it everything after that became a blur. Like I don't remember anything after and I just remember that I was getting more and more powerful faster. Now I don't know if it was just me loving playing her, but it just kills me that she is basically not useful anymore. I mean DE even nerfed her 3rd that I used to use with her augment to pull enemies in close, but now because her 3rd has impact damage when you cast it a second time with the augment the enemies just go flying and that's why I had to use ensnare that I got from khora via helminth. I really hope that DE reworks her soon and that Pablo manages a miracle with her rework because I now don't trust anyone but him to be able to help my main become great again.

[@aikidodude05]

honestly he is being little unfair to Valkyr she is not super amazing but her tool kit has a purpose and can be useful. like ripcord is fantastic for exactly what he dismissed it for getting you into position and since you can use while in zerking instead of dive rolling I will use 1 to more accurately move around and faster than I can with with the slide leap.

[@kcboy219]

Inaros getting shat on mid bullet-jump in the intro scene has me WEAK!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@kartikpintu]

creativity

[@a.t.7764]

Maybe they can give Inaros some form of health gating as a new passive. Every 25% of his HP, he gains immunity for a few seconds, kind of like conculysts. That works well with his ability to keep healing himself and other arcanes that can heal. They can maybe make the health gating time scale with how much health he has up to a capped amount of time so you get rewarded for building high amounts of health. His 1 can maybe stay the same. But his 2 should be changed to something completely new. Maybe he makes a wave of sand that comes back to him pulling enemies into melee range. His 3 could be this finisher ability that works with his 1 and 4. His 1 and 4 could leave a mark on targets that allows him to summon sand clones with his 3 that do finishers for him on marked enemies based on his equipped melee. This ability can cost a flat amount of health per target that is reduced by ability efficiency. His 4 can stay the same but maybe give damage vulnerability to enemies affected by it. It also shouldn't have to be channeled and should cost energy, not health. I feel like this would make Inaros a good health tank that prefers to use melee but also has the option to play and heal/tank from range.

[@RhomasTotevenaar]

One of the better ways to balance him, what do you call it. Healthgating???

[@vel5724]

How has Limbo not been on this since the eximus rework. Eximus, boss, accolytes, or nullifiers = whole kit useless

[@noahedenborg4221]

well for 1 nullys only really stop his 4 2 eximus abiltiys can be taken care fo by silence or u know actually moving 3 acolytes fucks most builds sometimes but only if u can react in time

[@ianhandy5090]

Bro thinks DE actually listened to him

[@Kloutrous808]

They’re really in touch the the community. They’ve changed other things like customization and game mechanics based on videos and feedback from players. Considering he’s one of the most prominent and popular creators it’s not unbelievable that the video got to the devs through one way or another. These ideas don’t only originate from the video of course, but considering how big it got it’s likely it had some weight in the changes.

[@ianhandy5090]

@@Kloutrous808 its just the ego that the devs only specifially listened to this one youtuber in specific

[@hafbaik3472]

Triburos thought the same thing lol

[@ianhandy5090]

@@hafbaik3472 triburos was also joking iirc, if not the guy is very obviously on the spectrum so I can't blame him for not being able to understand social norms that well

[@user-xk2wl9gm1w]

I know right 😂

[@franceschik1]

Valkyre is good in the SP circuit as the decrees roll get bias for melee. She's invulnerable and her 1st can grab enemies throwing them off the isle, and at the same time you can use it to not fall down if you miscalculate a bullet jump.

[@ambi_ow]

PLEASE I NEED TO SEE YOU RANT ABOUT LOKI AND FROST PASSIVES 😭😭

[@wade1095]

Yareli with adaptation and rapid resilience is immortal on merulina

[@beardedzeus1337]

​@Spinetap so immortal in literally 99.9% of content. Lol

[@vibez2806]

@@beardedzeus1337 you can use the same logic on most warframes...if you gotta waste extra mod slots then it will be less

[@WhatWillYouFind]

@@vibez2806 Except Yareli can just press a button for on command rolling guard and theres already 9999 videos up of her in Cascades. Yareli is uniquely good in ways that the meta will never reinforce. Yareli K-Drive with 2ndary incarnons is low key busted with 200/200/200 in basically free status with guardian augment. Loyal allows full loadout with 2 second damage augment in your general vicinity? Yareli is low key great now that people have so many options to build with or around her unique kit.

[@vibez2806]

@WhatWillYouFind so like I said a wasted mod slot.

[@kittenkid2711]

Just have fun use your fav and if people got a problem with it they can join a different squad.

[@Wooskii1]

I still remember when I got to Fortuna and I had some challenge "Kill X enemies while on a K-drive", so I proceeded to run down Corpus and slowly stomp them to death by jumping up and down on them😂 I had no clue you could use a secondary weapon, all I knew was that I couldn't shoot anyone when I got on and I had never seen anyone use a K-drive for anything besides movement or doing tricks to level.

[@garrymurphy7181]

as a chroma main with 52% usage on chroma prime out of the thousands of hours I put into the game I had hoped his previous rework would do more with the element part of his theme like double the effects status can afflict like how hydroid can now full armor strip with just corrosive, honestly at this point even a faster hit rate on his 1 would be a godsend cause 1 status proc per second is so damn terrible if i could replace 2 abilities it would take 0 thought into which ones it will be

[@darnellbrown6023]

Before she was nerf Valkyrie was the goat and it wasn’t close! Year 1 players know! 💪🏾😤

[@aice336]

finally my valkyr made it on a tier list !!

[@crispyzuko3427]

Congratulations, so did my Loki. High five!

[@Telesto-gv5is]

This man is just the def of a hater 💀

[@drguthrie7621]

It is honestly shocking to me at this point that Inaros hasn't been reworked

[@neowolfgrimm4652]

I use Inaros so my dog can have over 10k health... Thats it.

[@sinxye]

This video ages badly

[@Shizooocore]

I was actually thinking the same thing 😅

[@mysticramen5357]

How so?

[@sinxye]

@@mysticramen5357 some Warframes listed in this video are no longer bad, and some never were

[@olmateycorrupt577]

Inaros Inaros Inaros Inaros Thanks for watching!

[@omnitoki1268]

Thanks for watching! as your #1 pick is quite interesting

[@Alukard661]

Loki main here. I have almost 7k hours in Warframe, and 44% of that time is on Loki. At one point i became so desperate to make him better i subsumed Thermal Sunder, and slapped an augment on it.... on top of building it for 240% strenght. New Archon Shards provided enough damage bonuses to return to more classic builds through range and efficiency, but damn.... ....Please, DE, do something about it. Loki desperately need a rework.

[@camm9b095]

give Fire Blast a go with him 75% strip at base strength. you only need to build the other 3 and not lower strength.

[@carbonmosa8641]

After loyal merulina came out saying yareli is one of the worst frames is just wrong. Merulina gives her great survivability while also giving her solid cc, aqua blades is very nice passive damage to just have going as ultimately Yareli is a gun focused frame, having good cc and survivability while giving amazing pistol buffs. You arent playing her for her ability damage lol.

[@carbonmosa8641]

@GloriaMisztal just with the current meta there are so many solid side arm options that yareli severely buffs. And yeah cold damage used to suck, but now it's amazing for cc. Her armor bubbles make her hit so hard. I have a fairly okay build on her and I pretty regularly crit for 1.5 mill. On top of her great survivability.

[@isisihu5847]

i agree, i use dual toxocysts incarnon and shreds lvl 300 sp missions easily while almost invicible by loyal merulina

[@noodlenoms1569]

@@carbonmosa8641 1.5mil....teach me your ways😮

[@LoneMaestro-]

Loki used to be Master Race remember those days. I do, but no one ever says that anymore because he isn't he is forgotten in time

[@VexTrooper]

I honestly so suprised that Caliban wasn't on here. Caliban is that warframe that most people probably forgot, even though he was added in with the quest that was in the works for years, the New War. Caliban doesn't seem to focus on special role either. He doesn't CC, he doesn't do high enough damage to be a DPS, he can't be a tank, and he sucks at support. He just exists...hell, Yareli is more useful then him

[@loafofbread9400]

Combat dis +nourish makes caliban pretty nuts, full shield armour strip his not bad at all

[@DientjeLaloan]

Watch his new video on him, caliban can be a nice shield tank ig, with other cool abilities

[@beeleuazevedo8142]

He’s pretty decent now

[@excal_umba2164]

Some people want a cheeseburger at 3am. Some people wanna use valkyr as scorpion

[@thatnobody915]

Valkyr rework idea Rip Line: must target a single enemy, however it'll chain nearby enemies to it and drag them in front of Valkyr. Enemy chain count is affected by strength and leaves enemies in a finisherable state. Warcry: slow is now an active field not affected by Ability Range. Melee kills grant shields while Hysteria kills grant double the amount of shields. Paralysis: no longer drains energy, instead draining shields only. Replaced knockback/ragdoll effect with armor stripping based on percentage of shield remaining. 100% shields strip 50% armor at base, and having 100% overshields strips 75% armor. Armor strip is affected by Ability Strength. Hysteria: No longer invincible, instead granting armor based on kills that will drain over time slowly. Grants 50% damage reduction. This makes Valkyr lean even more into melee centric gameplay while allowing her to have more modern means of survivability. I like the idea of having a Gloom-like ability on her because I recently played with a Garuda build centered on Gloom and it felt REALLY nice. Now this obviously doesn't have the health regen of Gloom but offers a shield regen instead. The Rip Line change came from Khora, but making it more consistent as it doesn't depend on the original target being alive. Paralysis came about because melee builds live or die by armor stripping. Sure you could just subsume Terrify then Rip Line them all but this incentives you keeping all of Valkyr's kit. I toyed around with the idea of having the shields on melee kill part of her passive but that would make Gloom even more OP on her, and it makes more Warframes wanting her subsume. Hysteria has the same philosophy as both the Nezha and Wukong change; trading brain-dead invincibility for a more modern survivability ability. You're already gonna get tons of shields and shield gating, there's no reason to keep the invincibility on top of that.

[@ShadowRacho]

Surprised to not see Oberon on this list. Truely think he’s worse then valk at the very least because at least she has her fourth. Oberon is actually terrible. His passive is cool. His first literally does nothing except for a very few niche uses as a helminth with the augment but not on Oberon. His seconds only advantage is the status cleansing but there are so many ways to do that. His third is healing. Again so many ways to do that. The armour buff from it is also trash compared to other armour buffs and it’s also just armour which its self is pretty bad. Even the health gate augment is bad worse then pretty much ever other health gate in the game. And the only thing his fourth does is armour strip but only if they are on his second making it inconsistent and again there are soooo many better armour strips. Only thing he’s got going for himself is cc from radiation but also nyx, a companion with manifold bond and rad or just an aoe primer modded for radiation. To add insult to injury now we are getting a new radiation frame with the next update making Oberon even worse.

[@gangsta_pigeon8023]

i get so bored playing oberon

[@nbassasin8092]

Valkyr in my eyes is placeholder for all older frames that dont need complete reworks but just buffs and polishing of their kit that includes Oberon, Limbo, Trinity, Vauban, Frost, and maybe 3-4 other frames that I cant remember now Frames that arent bad, just need way more to do less than average newer frame, and frames that have atleast 1-2 useless abilites or non existent passives

[@noahedenborg4221]

And sometimes his 4 doesn't strip even tho enemy is on grass

[@MrSpoonwarrior]

His 1 can speed clear just fine 😁.

[@Ms.Mayhem99]

Anyone else here after the devstream? Dude your streak continues!!

[@igorazevedo7088]

yes

[@thawmmawia4663]

Bro looks so disappointed with chroma's triple jump 🤣

[@airsoul366]

Hysteria is so underwhelming I tend to use it just to refill my health, hide, and exit

[@seanmsw5977]

TBF Ripcalw pretty useful for yanking in that last 4head teammate who refuses to get in extraction.

[@gregorybower2759]

Or just wait 60 seconds?

[@seanmsw5977]

@@gregorybower2759 or just respect other people's time?

[@gregorybower2759]

@seanmsw5977 could thing could be said vice versa, what if they're working on a nightshade l night wave, or trying to get that last bit of exp for to max it out to m9vr onto the next thing. Being rushy is arguably identical to slow poking around for one reason or another.

[@heyitsaces5969]

Yareli doesn't let you use primary on K-Drive cause it seems her kit is more focused towards using your secondary. Whoever designed her was smokin some high quality seaweed

[@parker4025]

Putting Loki and Inaros as worst is fine but no caliban on this list? Loki is more useful than that imo. At least he’s useful for certain rivens.

[@The_Geni]

the only thing he does is invis

[@marcosdheleno]

EXACTLY. loki need a rework, no doubt, i dont think anyone is denying that, but he has invis. that alone put him, AT LEAST, in the lower-mid row of useable frames.

[@The_Geni]

yea so is Caliban most of you just dont build him right @@marcosdheleno

[@lagerfeuerstories4585]

he is actually good since the last update. he can place multiple armor/shield strip zones at will that even acolytes cannot pulse off and he got mad shield gating capabilities with his sentient dudes. his big AOE waves makes enemies unable to move and more vulnerable to damage. since the shield update he is really good actually + he looks absolutely badass dressed in black/red with the alternate helmet

[@parker4025]

@@lagerfeuerstories4585 I guess I don’t play him enough because he seems so totally forgotten. Loki definitely needs the attention more not arguing against that

[@FortressWolf97]

I feel like Valkyr has started to grow on me for 3 reasons. 1) Warcry doesn’t just boost attack speed, but also movement speed and armor rating, plus it’s not an aura ability, meaning if you just pop it once near teammates, they will get the boost even if they move out of range. 2) Paralysis allows for free finishers, plus it acts as a good stun in disruption missions. 3) Her ult makes her invisible until you select the ability again, which will only deduct the percentage of damage indicated by the icon. This is useful to readjust yourself as you heal, as well as useful for hacking or reviving teammates while under attack. In essence, her abilities have far more utility than the descriptions lead on to be.

[@FortressWolf97]

On a side note, I’ve tested her out in Archon hunts and she’s pretty solid. It’s a bit of a reckless play style where you can put yourself in harms way in order to assist your teammates in any position. Think of her less like tiger and more like a honey badger.

[@aldovk6681]

I agree

[@FortressWolf97]

@@aldovk6681 not to mention her augment mods do a lot for her. Hysterical Assault turns her into a tanky Voruna.

[@Ragnarok-ri9lq]

Fr, I don't know what this dude is talking about. I've played Valkyr before, and I feel she is a great frame. Yeah, her ripline ability is weird, but nothing beats going into open world mission and casting it as you look down on the enemy while aim gliding.

[@FortressWolf97]

@@Ragnarok-ri9lq just wish the bonus damage lasted a little longer. Kinda have to hit something while you’re flying by at crazy speeds.

[@thisguy3500]

Missing the real number one, Nyx. Her 4th ability has been bugged for years and no one talks about it because there's only 3 Nyx mains.

[@MusicFreak0426]

How is it bugged? I played a lot of Nyx Prime and never had much issue, I mostly use her for easy peasy armor strip and some crowd control. Just cause I like her design 😅

[@SenseofNoneYT]

Her 1 and 4 are situational and honestly questionable, but she's still more useful than any of these frames. She's viable even on level cap so she doesn't get the same talk. Literally solo-ed 80-90% of SP no sweat with Nyx (the rest was with Ivara). She could use a bit of rework but dude... Loki? Inaros? Valkyr? She's not "the real number one."

[@thisguy3500]

@@SenseofNoneYTYou can subsume any of Nyx's abilities without missing out. Her kit is out of date and/or can be replicated better by other warframes. The only bad thing Loki deals with is a broken Decoy augment, otherwise he's still op. Inaros 2nd ability is garbage but he's suffering from success otherwise.

[@thisguy3500]

@@MusicFreak0426Never noticed that her Absorb skill was nerfed or that it's been bugged for years now? Nyx still has the ability to self damage, did you know that at least? Anyway, she's supposed to be immune to status and damage while 'absorbing' but isn't completely--unlike other warframes with the same immunities. When subsuming status immunity abilities, they won't work along side her Absorb and this is intentional because it's supposed to provide status immunity already. As I said, it's bugged and I challenge you to discover the bug for yourself.

[@Okina-Kev]

3 NYX mains🤣🤣🤣

[@surriad1140]

6:51 chroma has that passive because DE wanted him to feel like a flying dragon. Personally would have given him something more flight based as an ability. And made vex armor weaker, but the passive

[@austinquick6285]

If only they had never nerfed chroma being able to sling contagion twice per flight.. the good ole days.

[@sirshay6156]

Damn i was thinking why is chroma here he's good lately.... Then i saw that this was posted 8 months ago

[@RiverInTheRayne]

As a yareli Main, i am no longer in denial that she kinda sucks. A lot. But it is fun wiping out tons of enemies using aqua blades on the k drive and that’s literally the only abilites I use

[@hallyuniverse]

Honestly she's pretty decent, I don't think she's bottom 5. Her 1 is a huge damage amplifier and her passive is really strong. Her 4 is good crowd control tool with decent damage. The only "bad" part about Yareli is K-Drive controls suck ass. Unfortunately Zephyr basically has all of the elements of her kit but better.

[@RiverInTheRayne]

@@hallyuniverse yea

[@konoko1002k]

As someone who is stuck with starter Loki, until my 2nd Warframe is build.... I kinda expected him to be on the list, but I didn't expect him to get demolished this bad.

[@xdan-]

If you don't like Loki you can farm any boss to get a warframe. Even if you're completely new you must have access to a boss or two. And I think there's also Duviri now.

[@konoko1002k]

@@xdan- Thank you. Yes, I am completely new, but Rihno and Mag are already being build right now.

[@deathfromthedepths]

​@@konoko1002kDon't sweat it too much playa. Take it as slow as you want

[@isaacsmith5678]

Nah he just doesn't use him right Loki can stay permanent invisible if you get the right mods and can disarm enemies in an instant. This youtuber is a veteran of the game so I'll say this as one do not take our advice at all unless we are talking from a prespective of we have your mr and state he has a lot of stuff from Plat alone so yeah he's not the best advice for free to play look up Loki builds for this year and were to find the stuff and take your time cause that is what the games about time and fun he just probably able to access everything since he has a lot of money trust me money changes your view on warframe.

[@spaz_taz4910]

As a Valk main i really hope she sees a full rework some day like her 1 is almost tottal garbage if not for being a movment option (not a great one but its something), her 2 is okay but is kinda made irrelivant by an attack speed mod and any other frame can take her 2 and use it with a better kit, her 3 is a joke, and her 4 can do damage is you really like to slide attack. personally i want to see ripline reworked in someway as i do like the core idea but not implementation, maybe instead it pulls you to the enemy and gives a short buff like kullervo 1 does or something. her 2 just feels like it could be overhauled, its not bad exactly just not really amazing, her 3 needs replaced entirely, and her 4 could be fine with some different combos and some kind of unique mechanic to give range like other exalted waves or just iron staff having a long reach or make her hysterical assault augment a base thing like many augments should be (especially old ones) just prayin to lord pablo for a rework.

[@SenseofNoneYT]

If they do rework these frames, I hope they use these existing abilities as basis for better abilities rather than completely eliminate their identity. Like, Inaros' theme is sand, mummies, and whatnot. I think the concepts for these frames should take priority over simply giving them some vanilla abilities that make them strong.

[@BeeBeeBeeLol]

I say it all the time. Allow Merulina to be toggleable. You gain 60% of the damage reduction benefits if you choose to not ride it and simply have it float around you the way Nova's Null stars do. SIMPLE and it works. So you give people who don't want to subsume abilities some basic functionality and utility. This not only allows you to retain some of damage reduction if you choose not to use it but ALSO allows you to use melees and your primary freely. I'm a yareli enjoyer. I have 5 tau shards on her and lots of forma and am eagerly waiting for her prime fashion and tennogen potential. She deserves more love than the little love they show k-drives, which they decided to make in the first place.

[@heavenly2k]

6:45 being able to bullet jump twice in a row is awesome tbh.

[@notbread299]

With infested mobility it is quite useful

[@RicardoAlmeidatm]

Inaros is so cool. He's a robotic anubis that eats people. Why did he have to be so bad?

[@joncedricbermudez3745]

because shield gating is op and he's the only character without shield

[@donomiroftroy2043]

​@@joncedricbermudez3745 Theres two other shieldless frames

[@yourbestfriendSeren]

As much as it pains me to say it, I do wish Yareli was better. I love Yareli so much, but man it hurts to play her

[@galetine5253]

The start of this video made me sad because they nerfed the shit out of my favorite archwing stuff back in the day. They took Itzal’s blink away and gave a shittier version to every archwing, and they nerfed the infinite range and punch through of the fluctus. No more killing enemies across the map through every wall on the map, and no more blink spam.

[@GrubThompson]

I think Vallyr and Yareli are both better than Caliban

[@Black_Screen_013]

I agree that chromas first ability isn’t that good but top 5 worst is crazy

[@fes4861]

@Spinetapi predict it will come after inaros trust! He will be a real dragon one day..

[@archonnova20]

Idk man Yareli shouldn't be on here, she has sooo many buffs for secondaries (200% crit chance, 200% Fire Rate, 200% Reload Speed) aswell as the strongest dmg vulnerability in the game with her 1. Also Cold Procs which have been buffed to also grant additional crit damage. She has grouping now finally with the second highest range right behind vauban. Give her a good toy to play with ... (incarnon dual toxocyst) just like you would do with Kullervo and you got yourself a rly good living nuke. Caliban should've been where Yareli is on this list, but hey I wouldn't blame you for forgetting him. Seems like DE forgott aswell that he exists. His passive is a worse Adaptation, His 1 is prob the worst ability in the game, his 2 lifts enemies so you cannot headshot them, his 3 doesn't scale and his 4 is a worse defense strip compared to something you could get from the helminth (tharros strike).

[@breewoo145]

Bad frame. Cope

[@zaferoph]

Strongest damage vulnerability in the game doesn't help her when her main gimmick is completely useless and then also her third ability is also just bad. Caliban's passive is indeed worse than a mod but at least it does something compared to most of these passives (literally only Yareli has anything and even then it does not include 2 out of the 3 you listed) and if you want a more useless ability than Caliban's 1 try Loki's decoy, Valkyrs warcry or Yarelis aquablades (the only reason I use it is that her second is arguably even worse lmao). Remember what was said in the beginning? Just because you like a warframe doesn't mean they're good. Yareli is fun and has some potential but on her own half her kit is as useful as Loki's. Further, not only does Caliban's 2 not make headshots impossible (you just can't aim) but damage vulnerability in a radius generally beats a cone with 9m base range lol especially with sentient Wrath acting as a knock down too. Tharros strike isn't even that good generally anyway except for the fact that it heals you.

[@archonnova20]

@@zaferoph "You just can't aim" xD I mean true i cannot headshot someone through ones legs and ass to get a headshot. Would love if you can show me that technique.

[@imajoker6859]

A fellow Yareli enjoyer these people in this comment section are delusional I swear they just hate the frame for what ever reason

[@zaferoph]

@@archonnova20 lol

[@cloudwhitehart]

I have been playing the game a week. I brought Yareli as my first warframe after the mag lady. I dont care if shes bad~ I love being a creepy jellfish cthulu princess. She has brought me pure joy.

[@The_Knight01]

I honestly didn’t have an issue with Inaros, It was actually pretty helpful in a few defense missions I did with some buddies cause we were being swarmed my enemies. So being able to become a sandstorm and gather all of the enemies and move them to a singular area where I can smite them all with one swipe of my sword came in handy. Definitely saved time and helped get through the mission faster. Loki also just seems more like a Stealth-Frame than a Warframe than anything. But useful nonetheless.

[@entrope3670]

Yo bro, just about the inaros KMFR was judging pre-rework, so now hes in a much better position than he was for the last years since release

[@TimidNomad]

Loki should be able to cast a bunch of illusions, make enemies fight each other, and shape shift into other frames depending on whose on your team and use its abilities as well. Fits better considering Loki is the trickster god

[@90rohancd13]

As a returning old timer from the days of Loki Master Race, that one hurt my nostalgia bone

[@Egwuinogs]

Never let this dude cook again🗣

[@TheFuzz189]

whats worse is subjective...this game is all opinions non of what you say is facts

[@zarko_mkd1780]

Awesome explained to details what is wrong with the current frames that desperately need rework, thanks tenno i hope DE listened... Ahh i forgot to say that it would be very nice for Rhino's "Energy pool" to be increased without additive stuff like shards and mods, just his base please Pablo if possible some time in future! Thanks for the content KnightmareFrame.🤗

[@Needs_Tzel]

I pray they never rework my Loki cause no one knows how busted he is.

[@Overlordien]

Radial Disarm ftw

[@Needs_Tzel]

Yessir

[@norman24]

kmf is just coping loki lowkey op

[@ErrorhIL]

as a VALKYR player (34% in profile stat over 3k h) i'll say something before even starting watching it, THANK YOU finally someone recognises something I've been talking for years but always hear "she has her 4 she's fine" I'm so tired of that she has clear issues if I can press her 4 and forget about every over ability or just subsume gloom and forget about everyother ability, her oly usefull ability to me is her 1 something with wich a lot of people will disagree but it is the only thing that keeps me to her, in a world where you cant switch to your operator over when there is nothing under you and it will count as your warframe falling into the void her 1 is the only usefull mobility ability to me and her only ability I use in her kit at this point and it's just sad to me, I love her too much and it's the time for her to get some love

[@FuiHakamura]

I agree with everything you say I used Valkyr for a lot of time and a QoL for her 4 is required (When swapping to the melee if you swapped off it should instantly apply the invulnerability rather having to go through the ready animation) but her kit needs adjusting her 1 is just well needs gone. I often forget what her 3 does and just swap it for silence.

[@FuiHakamura]

Her 2 and 4 is great but it doesn’t fix her kit as a whole

[@mrwilliams1187]

Wow, that is definitely NOT the optimal play for Chroma. I can get the top damage buffs in seconds. I will agree Spectral Scream sucks.

[@christopherjackson9741]

I do not think they're the worst, esp if the average clueless player can do level cap with them. What I'm gathering is this should've been titled "Top 5 Useless (or) Obsolete Warframes" as a warframes ability is supposed to be unique & if a weapon or arcane can do what the frame does, then in a way that frame is obsolete. Also to cope would mean that player has something available at the ready, there's a better option that person has. To me doodoo water means absolutely no way is it useful

[@121blackstar]

It’s funny how history repeats itself, literally a couple years ago, a KZbinr talked about how shit Nezha was at the time and a lot of people got mad at him but in the next patch he got buffed. All I’m saying is he’s not trying to hurt your feelings, he’s just pointing out some inconsistencies these frames have.

[@noahedenborg4221]

nezha?

[@121blackstar]

@@noahedenborg4221 Ye, at the time Nezha wasn’t the powerhouse that he is today, can’t remember what made him ass back then but, long story short it caught the attention of DE and they buffed him when his deluxe skin dropped

[@mrkizu]

As a Yareli main, I know she may not be the best... but please don't change her 😭. I really enjoy her as is. For merulina I use it for tanking and not for speed... so cruising and shredding with secondaries is fun to me. I know no one will read this and my opinion doesn't matter 😅... but last time D.E. changed my favorite frame to "make them better", I never played that frame ever again lol

[@shade_d_hades]

It’s ok, stranger, I too am a Yareli enjoyer. I understand

[@mikoto.souh1872]

ive been playing her lately and i like her but shes sooooo buggy her frames dont work half the time like u get on her board and she just like in a stuck animation but can still use abilitys only way to fix it is to get on n off her board tho i feel damage wise she really weak

[@DientjeLaloan]

What was ur favourite frame ?

[@mikoto.souh1872]

@@DientjeLaloan I main titania but I love ivara altho she's weak and I love wisp as well

[@DientjeLaloan]

@@mikoto.souh1872 I was asking the original commenter not you, also how is ivara weak ? Can't she nuke rooms with her augment, and is a really good camping frame ?

[@Truck_Kun_Driver]

You know what will fix Inaros usage rate ? A SUCCUBUS inaros skin 😂😂😂😂😂

[@yungaj8103]

bruh youre sayin you cant melee chain from pull but cant you just use her stun immediately after? n then combined with her 4th.. Shes insane bro . Shes tanky af n easily a nuke melee . Bro no hate , criticism is ok but my arguing point is that you gotta get creative w your builds . Every warframe can be good

[@recluse5245]

Excalibur and Baruuk, they are the reason Valkr is bad

[@coleshovel8432]

Disarm Loki used to be meta for LoR. The good old days. I think scarab armor should do slash instead of corrosive. Maybe if they made enemies effected by desiccation burst into sand blind nearby enemies. I don’t think there is a way to make devour good.

[@2slowpoke929]

I honestly don’t even get Loki’s bad rep either. His 4th and 2 are extremely good still unless you absolutely care about “le meta” strats. His 1 and 3 should honestly just merge like Vauban’s Bastille + Vortex and give him a completely new skill but Idt he’s nearly as “rework” needy as Inaros. Unless people want Radial Disarm and Nyx’s Chaos to just be another armor strip + viral + slash + nuke ability.

[@nbassasin8092]

@@2slowpoke929 He is so outdated its not even funny, I dont get why people get defensive of their favourite frames, I like Gauss and Volt which large amount of community consider near perfect in terms of abilites, and if they suggested a rework or wuality of life change beause the "are bad" Id be more than happy to accept it

[@DientjeLaloan]

​@@nbassasin8092outdated how ? Hes like an og space ninja

[@nbassasin8092]

@@DientjeLaloan Video explains it pretty well, Wisp has first 3 of his abilities built in her 2 (i dont agree fully but I get the point, in a sense she really does), his 4 is cute, but is contradictory to his 2, because why disarm enemies if they cant see you in the first place, his 2 is his only really useful ability, his 1 is based on duration and has health, why not just make it a duraiton based ability and he just doesnt do anything or anything to be enough in any regard, he is only the invisibility guy and thats it, he really needs a heavy buff/rework/refreshment to his kit, hell if you are so bent on him staying the way he is, you can easily keep the abilities the same but give them some additional effects and quality of life changes so they dont suck as bad as they do now I didint think Loki being bad is a hot take, hes been bad for years now, Im suprised to see this many people not getting why he is bad, he only does 1 thing, which is a fine thing, but that is not a reason to say he doesnt need change, any frame that only does 1 thing needs to change

[@DientjeLaloan]

@@nbassasin8092 he is not that bad, he's like a budget revenant, people like to say revenant is a lot better because of his 3 and 1 but no one uses them anyways, they just mostly use his 2 just like how they did with loki, also I think if they rework him people will be mad, because then playing as a space ninja in spy missions can't be done anymore

[@donovan942]

You just dont know how to use valkyr lmfao

[@TheRealXaku]

I agree w him abt valkyr and I'm a Valkyr and Xaku main