Top 6 Reasons Sherrone's In Trouble | Michigan Podcast

[@TheARehmar]

Absolutely trucked by Illinois. This season is a joy to watch.

[@AngryOtter614]

When I saw the briefcase full of sunglasses come out during the Fresno st. game, I knew ya'll were in trouble.

[@kevinjohnston4923]

What makes it even more absurd is that the players don’t even get to keep the sunglasses, only the player with the most INTs at the end of the year.

[@vaughnwesterby5162]

Moore not ready for prime time, never a head coach, never a coordinator on his own, should not be the head coach at Michigan for his first job, this should not be on the job training! Another bad AD decision. It’s not hindsight by me, it’s just the way it should be at one of top football schools in history and coming off a natty! 🤷🏻‍♂️ You can’t start the season with the QB room the way it is and not see the problem after watching these backups play for the last two or three years. Now they are going to their 3rd QB Tuttle, who is probably the best option that I’ve seen but him being injured often has been a big issue. Yes he made mistakes but when he took over you could see difference. Problem is the O line and receivers aren’t playing very well to say the least. You can’t throw it to Loveland every time! …..I did not even get to the secondary, they 💩!…….loved your 6 reasons! 👍🏻

[@garymoore1600]

Sadly you are right

[@amadizyair3441]

He was ready and undefeated last year 😂

[@rowdy831]

@@amadizyair3441 He had to coach they game last year. This year he had to hire people, game plan, fundraise and everything else that goes along with coaching major school. Very big ask for anyone.

[@dustinschalk8825]

@@amadizyair3441respectfully that’s silly. Last year all he had to do was take the reins for one day . To be clear he did good ..but that’s MUCH MUCH less work and responsibility then actually beign the head coach day in and day out and all that entails .last year Harbaugh wa coaching day in and day out during the week and game planning …fine tuning drills and details , final say on eveyerjkfk etc etc .

[@EnzoMoresi-mj8bc]

Maybe Jay Harbaugh can come back and be our HC! Recall dipsh-ts over at mgoblog board giddy thinking that OJT-special was ever going to be HC material. Lol

[@gew1898]

Tuttle is the only serviceable quarterback Michigan has. Sad but true.

[@EnzoMoresi-mj8bc]

Thanks Harbaugh!!!!

[@slow_rolla5036]

The qbs are fine it's the ccoaching that's not working

[@gew1898]

@@slow_rolla5036 That’s a possibility but I’m trying to give coach Moore the benefit of the doubt. I admit that it’s getting harder every week.

[@johnm6798]

@@slow_rolla5036 The QBs are fine?? No way. Orji cannot pass and Warren was a walk on who hadn't played in 4 years and Tuttle seems to be an average to below average talent. This is a bad QB room that I am shocked Jimmy left us with, but he gave us a Natty so whatever.

[@slow_rolla5036]

@johnm6798 the coaching is so bad you don't know what they have the o line can't pass block consistently and the play calling is terrible

[@hdubya692]

Sherrone is in over his head. The Admin knew they wouldn't get a top notch head coach with penalties coming, so why waste a lot of time doing a search. Sherrone gets a nice pay day and a pat on the head when the smoke clears.

[@hispanieldaniel]

Sherrone will be fired when the penalties arrive.

[@user-sg8kq7ii3y]

Sherrone should start cheating too. That way he may start winning too, like how Harbaugh did.

[@michaelmcgregor007]

My reasons: 1) we are wasting a generational Dline with Dr. Blitz 2.0 2) Kirk Campbell is unimaginative and lost as an OC 3) J. Hill and Z Berry are out of position constantly and cannot tackle in space 4) we don’t know how to use Donovan Edward’s properly 5) we don’t throw the ball down the field , literally, EVER! 6) we are not making proper adjustments at 1/2 time

[@BarryStonecliffe]

Yeah, seems all the do is throw to Loveland.

[@emoney3912]

Sherrone an csmpbell is insanely conservative almost scared to try a toward pass. The same when we played Penn state last year.

[@thingsarequestionable]

Sherrone is trash. Look at Rutgers and Indiana. Half the talent and rwice the job getting done. Donovan goes down when a butterfly hits him. Mullins had 14 carries????????? What a F ing disgrace.

[@Night_City_Vibes]

@@thingsarequestionable the goal post is real low at those institutions. Different kind of dog different kind of tricks.

[@markg.7865]

Give him time, Harbaugh couldn't beat Ohio St for 7 years!

[@raylevelston8250]

The OC hates orji for whatever reason..he also is riding Donovan when he is clearly our number 2 guy..wink is just flat out in the wrong league..his defense will work in the nfl..but this ain't that..if Moore keeps them he has to be blamed for the fall of michigan

[@davidschneider6306]

Twice the talent? Where? short at OL, DB, receiver etc.

[@austin6446]

Have you seen Indiana's schedule compared to Michigan's?!

[@neilwiggins2839]

Sherrone Moore's success last year was with Harbaugh's game plans and coaches!

[@amadizyair3441]

So this Harbaugh fault he left Moore out to dry like how he didn’t recruit a me QB after JJ 😂

[@coreyscott7296]

And cheating

[@Night_City_Vibes]

Harbaugh is selfish and blew up the organization for his own selfish ends.

[@mickey34jb]

Sherrone Moore's success last year was helped along by Stallions in the first 3 games

[@nd9038-w2n]

@@Night_City_Vibes Waaaahhhh!

[@spartandogs3126]

Prime example of what your team looks like when you’re not able to cheat

[@user-sg8kq7ii3y]

🤣

[@Jay-n262]

Sherrone is looking like Juwan Howard in over his head. If you're going to let Harbaugh and John Beilein walk away you better have a top coach lined up.

[@EnzoMoresi-mj8bc]

Kinda like over at Purdue with that buffoon Ryan Walters.

[@situated4]

After Michigan serves the penalties that are coming. Then a top-notch national rebuild coach for the future.

[@EnzoMoresi-mj8bc]

@@situated4 "that are coming"......speaking of which, you're running low on Jergens and Kleenex.

[@user-sg8kq7ii3y]

Harbaugh was a cheat.

[@EnzoMoresi-mj8bc]

@@situated4 lol "penalties" for "sign stealing" which isn't against any rule ever written. "Penalties".

[@robertkauffman8137]

#1,#2,#3,#4,#5,and #6 reasons why Sharrone Moore is in trouble...He is a cheater and he stole from his competition and he stole a natty. He is no Bo. He will always be a cheater. It is his leagacy.

[@jimford6478]

This channel is consistently providing honest and fair reporting on any team covered.

[@jeffreymcfadden9403]

(As long as the team colors are blue and yellow)

[@IRightwiggle]

How Warde hired an assistant with zero experience without interviewing proven P4 head coaches is absolutely insane. Didn’t like it then, and sure don’t like it now. Laziness that is now costing the program.

[@Symone77]

Laziness & being cheap. Not good for a storied program.

[@FredrickFields-rh2re]

I AGREE!!

[@pjdgoblue8852]

@@IRightwiggle wards needs to be fired first

[@michaelkolacz4449]

Absolutely! A stupid and lazy move by the athletic director.

[@dschuetz11]

Sherrone was Harbaugh’s choice!

[@allamericon1809]

So if Ryan Day started on third base and his WORST record is 11-2 in 5+ years, what part of the baseball field did Moore start on to go from an undefeated team to .500 when he is completely in charge????

[@jeffreymcfadden9403]

Let's see,,,undefeated = cheating year .500 = not cheating How about putting sign stealer guy in a cheerleaders outfit so he can once again roam the sidelines? Will need a wig though since he has shaved his head.

[@stevej7425]

Thanks Warde for chasing off the best coach we ever had.

[@TheGerould]

In fairness, he left to save his own hide ... nothing Ward could do other than agree to overlook his cheating.

[@dankanitz]

​@TheGerould In fairness ward gave Moore the same contract terms Harbaugh was asking for. Protection from the NCAa witch hunt. Ward is useless.

[@Hassler247]

The NCAA had it out for Harbaugh and they got their wish.

[@speedisgood71]

Jack Tuttle is "Michigan hot"

[@Zappappappappa]

Ehhh considering the absurdity at QB leading up to Tuttle getting a shot I'd say he started out looking like Mahomes when you compare. That is just inexcusable though, how is there not even just a middle of the pack QB on the roster at the bare minimum. Hindsight is 20/20 but I believe Harbaugh selling out for a national championship last season was 150000% worth the ongoing shit show that is the 2024 QB play. I wouldn't trade it for a guaranteed 11 win squad this year. Oh well lmfao

[@Al-Rudigor]

😂😂😂

[@jofi4580]

Don't look now but another UM player just slipped and fell down.

[@Brettwbeyer14]

that just infuriated me more than anything. A national championship team with players developed during that championship run cant tackle and cant stay on their feet. These are division 1 athletes 4 star recruits playing on the defending national championship team that looks like they have coordination issues at times.

[@antoniomalave6093]

lol that had me dying.

[@Ndfourlife]

Connor on line 1. 😂👍🏻

[@jackpackage4278]

The reason I have no patience for the coaches is because you look over at a team like Indiana, a team with like half the talent of Michigan and they look way scarier than us, and that is 100% because of the coaching. Sometimes rebuilds take time but this Michigan team has a ton of good talent on it, it’s not like Sherrone was starting from scratch. Obviously we can’t fire Sherrone after one season but holy shit I want both coordinators gone either by the end of the season or sooner. At this point Illinois, Indiana, Oregon, and OSU are looking like damn near guaranteed losses.

[@darrellwilliams1510]

What elite coordinators are going to work for a first year head coach…on the hot seat. Moore hired these guys. Including his sorry OC buddy w/ zero experience. Anything less than 8-4 he needs to go. This is the worst coaching staff in the Big10 by A LOT.

[@jackpackage4278]

@@darrellwilliams1510 100% agree, but my thing is the best we can hope for is the OC and the DC being fired because I highly doubt they would get rid of Sherrone after 1 season. What Indiana is currently doing with their new coach and half the talent wipes out all excuses for Michigan coaches and honestly I’m jealous.

[@darrellwilliams1510]

@@jackpackage4278 I got you. The prob w/ inexperienced coaches is, they don’t have a network or staff of coaches they won with…and they haven’t had time to make mistakes…that’s why it usually takes years to achieve success, and most coaches never do achieve success like UM demands. And many proven coordinators are looking for HC jobs. I like Moore as a person and a coach, but not as UM HC. Don’t want to wait 10 yrs for him to grow into the role. Recruits have a short memory. If UM is trash for couple years it’s a LONG way back. It took Harbs 7 years.

[@jackpackage4278]

@@darrellwilliams1510 what I’ve noticed with coaching in general in college football is you want an older head coach who is a known for winning (obviously) but younger coordinators. Idk what it is but old coordinators in college almost always seem to be so stubborn about adjusting their scheme but young guys are more in tune with how the game is changing and will better adapt.

[@tylerbaker5986]

If MSU had Indiana’s schedule they’d be 6-0. Illinois and Indiana would have a couple bad losses to Ohio state and Oregon as well. Don’t think Michigan beats MSU either, MSU just simply can move the ball better

[@DavidHooper401]

If Sherrone was a good coach, why didn't Harbaugh want to take him to San Diego like everyone else? It's almost like it was an FU to Warde Manuel to "recommend" Sherrone. This dude needs to spend 10 years at G5 school before coaching Michigan. He's in WAY WAY WAY over his head. There are too many problems to list. We have (about) 10 future NFL players. Just wait until the recruits start avoiding this mess. Warde Manuel is gonna have to get his lazy ass in gear and recruit a top flight coach before this bad year turns into a bad decade.

[@barrysells2473]

Hes in trouble because harbaugh left an empty cupboard when he bailed lol

[@ernestkovach3305]

@@barrysells2473 False. Near full cupboard and a treaure trove of blue chippers on both sides of the ball.

[@ernestkovach3305]

@Jazz16-we1qc He left a treasure trove of riches in that cupboard. Yes, a lot of players graduated or headed off to the NFL, as did several of his brilliant staff . However, because UM had so many blowout games and then some great tight games, a LOT of talented 2nd and 3rd stringers got a LOT of P.T. and,yes, " experience" ! Stop making excuses. Michigan is loaded even if they do not have as much depth as a year ago. Plus, we nabbed the best player on Northwestern's offensive line and Maryland's best player, period exclamation point! The cupboard Harbaugh left was very strong. Very strong. Tuttle if not injured and had started the season ? Michigan would be 5-1 and ranked in the top 5. Instead ,TUTTLE never started during the entire first half of the regular season. YOU need to watch and learn grasshopper . Tuttle is a fine passer, and he will lead UM to glorious victories . He's not perfect, but he was a 4 star QB coming out of high school and / or is a 6 or 7 year veteran. The biggest disappointment is the lack of fundamentals, the many penalties, and the shocking amount of turnovers. This is the fault of the coaching staff, as is the poor play calling by Moore and our 2 coordinators. Case closed.

[@HEATHDIDION-k5u]

It’s not very strong outside of 5-6 players from last year team. We are top heavy. Even with JJ as QB we wouldn’t win the big ten or the national championship this year

[@pjdgoblue8852]

@@barrysells2473 the AD is responsible fire warden

[@joyis9638]

You really should put 1 or 2 plays from the last 2 seasons in the intro. The past is all we have now.

[@Point-kp7ef]

Didn't you call for Jim's head 4 years ago

[@i.d.jegede1527]

Many did

[@mikekeiser6103]

@@Point-kp7ef That’s what is so funny to me. He sucked for 7 years. He sucked so bad he had to puss out of the 2020 game. Then he cheats and suddenly everyone loves him, and mysteriously forgets how bad he sucked.

[@keithcampbell8985]

@@i.d.jegede1527 many also didn't----I didn't, and I'm not calling for Moore either! 2 more seasons at least. The Curt Cignetti situations of the world are anomalies, not norms!

[@keithcampbell8985]

@@mikekeiser6103 He's won everywhere he's gone, pull your head out.

[@mikekeiser6103]

@@keithcampbell8985 Please …….enlighten me. How many rivalry games did he win before he cheated? How many top 10 teams did he beat before he cheated? How many bowl games before he cheated? Go ahead……I’ll wait…….. Are those crickets I hear?

[@danielroberts3920]

Really missing Stalions! The ASTERISK is real for these pathetic cheaters!

[@Jay-n262]

They really missed Stallions for the final 8 games last season.

[@BigHouse907]

Did your team play Michigan in the 2nd half of last season? If so you’re insinuating they were too stupid to change signs. 🤣🤣

[@Grumpy_Bomber]

this looser needs an excuse for sucking the last few years lol

[@dylanschafer172]

They won a national championship without stallions cope and seethe buddy

[@danielroberts3920]

@dylanschafer172 no not really. That win had stallion's fingerprints all over it! But michigan fans are too ignorant to understand that you just don't change signs in a week or two!! There's hundreds of plays ,motions and blocking assignments. These kids are collegiate athletes , not pre-med students. So when fast pace teams like ohio state have to huddle and run in plays from the sidelines, that takes half their game away!! So if you think u m won this game fair and square! you are fucking crazy the asterisk is real!@

[@SuspenseESCAPEremastered]

Results on field are from not obtaining a quarterback in the portal.

[@johnnywebb2351]

And receivers

[@gobluesamg]

Um...and discipline and scheme, etc.

[@EricaAllispn]

I blame warde manuel hes a bad AD

[@michaelkolacz4449]

Absolutely! Manuel is lazy and complacent at his job.

[@i.d.jegede1527]

@@EricaAllispn You do realize that Warde has the most National Championships and B1G Championships across all UM sports in the history of U-M ADs right? 🤔 You still have time to delete your ridiculously uninformed post.

[@Night_City_Vibes]

The answer is Harbaugh, Harbaugh and Harbaugh. He did not recruit, he bounced and took all the staff but Sherrone, he did not recruit a QB, and got rid of Cade McNamara

[@hambam7533]

i agree he took the money and got out of dodge as quick as he could and left sherron with nothing

[@Jay-n262]

Not having the NIL to recruit these top players has also had an effect. They should've been getting top classes the past 3 years. Their last big time RB, recruit was Donovan Edwards.

[@duhdoy08]

I dont blame jim for taking the staff...he built. Every coach does that. I blame jim for poor recruiting. I blame michigan's self righteous approach to nil. At least we are not florida state...yet.

[@Night_City_Vibes]

@@duhdoy08 agreed

[@Al-Rudigor]

​@@Jay-n262they just got the kid from Cincinnati Moeller.

[@danmetz5112]

Well, what do you know. Cheatigan Michigan is finding it hard to win games when you haven't been able to steal the other teams' playcalling. What a crock Michigan is, has always been. The "winningest team in HCAA history" won all those championships a long, long time ago, back when college football wasn't the big time sport is in now. Jim Hairball's team should have the entire season stricken from the record, forever. They get every break in the book, every close call be the referees, and still they whine, whine whine. Bo, buckeyes!

[@steveskuras2515]

I'm sick of Sherone Moore saying we have a few things to clean up after 6 games in. He's delusional

[@EricaAllispn]

@@steveskuras2515 more than a few things it's not just the QB. The team is so fragmented from personnel to play calling

[@DFH13019X]

He’s got to see it. He’s probably just being a HC and saying what he can to keep his team. His coordinators are terrible and these players don’t seem to be ready and conditioned for 4 quarters of football. Edit: with that being said, he’s a stand up guy as Steve said, but wasn’t ready for this stage. Need a new coaching staff.

[@EricaAllispn]

@@steveskuras2515 hes hoping it's just a few things

[@willie346]

Was amazed that Michigan allowed Haubaugh to pick his successor. You jump ship, but you still get to decide what happens?

[@johnm6798]

How lower tier schools have so much better QBs and WRs is amazing to me. What is going on?

[@drewblue1164]

The question is will Warde Manuel have the guts to do the right thing and fire Moore after the Ohio game so we can be first in line for the best available head coach and he can immediately hit the portal and build his staff instead of waiting until sometime in 2025 or 2026 to do what we already know needs to happen??? I like Moore as a person but it’s clear he’s not ready to be HC for one of the top programs in college football. And bad coordinators are on Moore. That’s his job to fix that.

[@garymoore1600]

Haha cmon. Warde is firing sherrone even if we lose out. Biggest reason is Moore is the first black head coach

[@rowdy831]

No

[@Jay-n262]

I don't know, he kept Juwan Howard around for 5 years until the program bottomed out.

[@jollymon7881]

"... after the Ohio game". Correction. Should read, " ..after The Ohio State game". There, I fixed it for you.

[@Al-Rudigor]

​@@garymoore1600Jim should have been fired too. He ain't black. The man had to take a pay cut ffs! The black coach only gets one year though? You guys, I swear.

[@changyue1955]

Jimmy Harbaugh left the cupboard bare. He caused Sherrone's troubles.

[@peregrinepickle]

Deace should change his name to Chicken Little. And he's always wrong.

[@lorenzocole8166]

He's not in trouble. No hammer is coming. They are mad about the non-cooperation. Sherrone Moore has to get his own identity on offensive. Martindale, might be the creator of the defensive scheme, but McDonald and Minter know what changes that needed to be made and made them.

[@jravitsk]

Better pass defense and back to the run, wink is the problem, missed coverages etc

[@EnzoMoresi-mj8bc]

So Harbaugh hits the hot seat, gets a REAL rb coach (not his buffoon son for six years!) and then hires up and coming young D coordinator. Harbaugh leaves and so we hire crusty old NFL cast-offs ? This makes about as much sense as giving Moore the job to begin with.

[@rickmckinniss5152]

You guys all loved Sherrone when he started crying on TV. Give me a break!! Without a program built on cheating, you have had nothing this entire century.

[@christianfelan8732]

Psst.... you do know OSU has benefitted from "cheating" as well, right? The infamous Conor Stallions has gone on record saying he sent OSU's "sign guy" some of MSU's signals because UM needed OSU to beat them.Or does that NOT count?

[@rickmckinniss5152]

@@christianfelan8732 You know you got trolled, right????? Once by me and once by the infamous Stalions (spell his name right, for heaven's sakes). Who would actually believe anything this nut job would say? Oh right, #4jimmy would!!

[@aldoparrington2118]

We are not playing with the same enthusiasm and toughness that those Bo ,Mo, Lloyd and Harbaugh teams had. You are right, we always made halftime adjustments and were stingy in the 2nd half. You can't win when you're turning the ball over and we don't usually have so many penalties.

[@user-sg8kq7ii3y]

Also no longer cheating like how Harbaugh did.

[@rickharris6342]

He should’ve NEVER been hired. I truly believe that he was a DEI hire. GO BLUE

[@rudela9900]

So is the AD.

[@Adam-vs2in]

They had to hire him. He was already in the system, coached 3 games when Harbaugh was suspended. If they passed on him several players would have hit the portal with a new coach that does not know Michigan. It was the only logical choice unless Minter was available.

[@CharkG73]

Did you not witness what he did for the team last year when Harbaugh was suspended? Most of the kids on the team even said he needs to be the coach because of what he did for us last year. Just because he's a black guy don't make him a dei hire, and that's coming from this maga trumper. Get real

[@Adam-vs2in]

@@CharkG73 exactly. There are many dei hires in the world right now. Moore is not one of them. There were just so many things that lined up for this team to have a rough year. The rebuild is going to be more difficult than we thought. Moore just has to make the necessary adjustments and get the right coaches after this season.

[@CharkG73]

@@Adam-vs2in right on! For as much as we can oppose the political racism disguised as "equity", we can't just go calling everyone a dei hire. The fact that this misguided individual said that is also a consequence of the whole "movement," because most people just want to be treated fairly not promoted because of their race, or blamed for things because of people thinking they got an unfair promotion. It's a bunch of nonsense. Just about every Michigan fan was on board with Moore after he won 3 tough games for us last year. That's a qualified hire

[@YTSparty]

Wait until MSU beats Michigan this Saturday. That always unhinges UofM fans.

[@michaelkolacz4449]

An MSU victory is more than possible, YTSparty.

[@EricaAllispn]

@@YTSparty you better beat us your just one of the rest of cupcakes in the conference outside of Oregon Ohio State

[@YTSparty]

@@EricaAllispn mmmm cupcakes

[@IRightwiggle]

Let’s just hire Cignetti and be done with it.

[@chriss5299]

Lets not forget about our garbage recievers

[@datwolverine]

They look fine when the ball can actually get to them

[@blakemoore122]

How would we know though?

[@chriss5299]

@@blakemoore122 exactly...all we know is that they have trouble getting open. SWe no nothing about their catching abilities'

[@JWoogie66]

I love how everyone told UM fans this is how this season was going to go and the response back was we were all just a bunch of haters.

[@demodiums7216]

lol exactly. This is only a surprise to Michigan fans

[@yellowblackbird9000]

I'm a Michigan fan and it isn't a surprise to me.

[@kevinfry1850]

@@yellowblackbird9000cool you’re an exception to the rule.

[@yellowblackbird9000]

@@kevinfry1850 ur mom

[@Christian_Felan]

Can we let this WHOLE staff go after this year and then do an ACTUAL HC search rather than just walk down the hall? It would be nice to get a dude with HC experience as HC!!

[@situated4]

After all the dust and penalties clear. Then a Bill Biliechick type will come to coach Michigan again for the future. This is hangover time right now. It'll be okay. This is the relatively small price to pay for the national championship.

[@pjdgoblue8852]

@@Christian_Felan let warde go first he created this mess

[@cacogenicist]

Random Oregon fan here. I don't understand how a Michigan doesn't go out get some kind of serviceable QB who can execute the forward pass. It's one thing to not have a great QB, it's something else to not have a single QB on the roster. ... did the staff not understand that they didn't have a QB, or did they not care?

[@Hassler247]

Some of this is transition from Harbaugh to Moore. And then prior to winning national championship was uncertainty whether JJ McCarthy was going NFL. That said, by far the biggest reason is that UM is stupid stubborn about getting on board with NIL. Simply put you out in Oregon have Phil Knight with open check book and making it count. UM has this holier than thou stubborn alumni who try to pretend that is “beneath” them somehow. There is some progress but that’s the main reason

[@Symone77]

Lack of experience and arrogance. People start reading their own press clippings. Then they stop doing accurate thinking. They do emotional thinking. They think they can make it happen. Development is important but you have to have something to develop. You need the talent. I don’t buy a poodle and try to train/develop him into being a watch dog. I get the right breed and I still train/develop him.

[@timeisahumanconstruct9251]

I think everyone is underestimating Northwestern. They can beat Michigan. In every loss they've had they were competitive for most of the game. They can move the ball easily and have a better defense than UM. Don't underestimate them.

[@robertgasper2495]

The frustrating thing about Michigan is that they could go 10-2, and they could also go 4-8. You can imagine both.

[@timeisahumanconstruct9251]

@@robertgasper2495 fair enough. maybe things started to click over this bye week with a new but more reliable QB at the helm.

[@nlm6176]

What going to happened once the NCAA brings in the sanctions? Who will want to play for Michigan with no chance to play in a bowl game for at least 2 years, besides all the scholarship limitations. Program will take years to get back on their feet.

[@rgreen3037]

I quickly identified 4 other reasons that I believe are as relevant and offer some sanity to what is happening this season. First, Jim Harbaugh played the "am I staying or am I leaving" game almost every off-season and it hurt recruiting. Second, NIL is a significant factor. Until this recruiting cycle, Michigan's philosophy was "coming to Michigan is transformational and not transactional." Third, while it was hoped that the transition from Harbaugh to Moore would be seamless, it was not and many coaches left, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Fourth, even though some really good players stayed, it looks like many of them are suffering from a "natty hangover." Give them all some time unless the Coach feels he needs to make some coaching changes; it took Harbaugh almost his complete tenure to get the staff situation figured out.

[@03tglasgow]

Appreciate your take. Everyone quickly forget the struggles we had with Jim. But we get what it deserves

[@user-sg8kq7ii3y]

What about the cheating that Harbaugh did? Does that have to do anything with it?

[@howard2031]

I quickly identified one reason. They can't cheat anymore😂

[@GamingTremor]

Completely agree that it feels like something is wrong with the program/team, not just simple fixes that need to be made.

[@Al-Rudigor]

Yes it looks and feels different. They don't have a manifesto. 😂

[@GamingTremor]

It really would have come in handy the second half of last year, not sure why they fired that guy.

[@buckeye158]

Appreciate the honest takes Steve!

[@slippinjimmy9826]

Steve finally making sense again this week. Agree about Sherrone. Happy you're done with the "Orji is the guy" bs 😂

[@taurean1207]

Yes more tears 😂

[@jefflampas7759]

If you’re a MSU fan will beat you this year and if you’re Ohio State fan, we’re still the defending national and Big Ten champions. Get a life man …

[@19floyed]

​@@jefflampas7759for how long .... Michigan is talking to NCAA and it's not looking good 🤣🤣🤣🤣 tick tock times running out

[@situated4]

@@jefflampas7759

[@clemsonownsthebuckeyes4491]

As a black man that is well educated when it comes to football...I told all my Michigan bro's Sherrone Moore was a bad hire..He has no experience at this level..Giving a black man a chance at head coaching I get that..but he should've proven his self first at another school like San Diego state..then come to Michigan after he has proven his self ..I don't feel like going through another rebuild season we did that with RR

[@kevinfry1850]

I don’t even think that played into the decision. I think Michigan would have had a hard time hiring anyone worth pursuing this offseason. I think hiring Moore for both parties was like “ok let’s try this and see what happens” because the ncaa is going to bring down some sort of hammer.

[@Rwalter0729]

Who cares what color he is! I’m a white man. Do I need to state that before saying the obvious? He has not coached another team and he takes over for Michigan! Can’t evaluate talent obviously as we have already started 3 QBs in what 5 games! Something isn’t right man.

[@RICOJEEZUS]

They should've have kept him on that "prove yourself" contract. What was the point in keeping all the best players that weren't eligible for the NFL if you end up being a big ten bottom feeder after a championship? They should've just did a national search and reset but now they will waste millions when they inevitably get out of this contract with a coach who is not ready for this kind of job yet. Sherrone won't have the necessary network to hire the best coaches either bc he's so young and inexperienced.

[@Ghost_of_a_Flea]

Why would you need to add you are a 'black man?' He's either a good coach or a bad coach. Your opinion or perception of Sherrone Moore should have nothing to do with his/your skin color.

[@cliffsimske5096]

One of the reasons Harbaugh left is that Michigan and the University has become too 8:42 liberal and too woke for a devoted Christian 8:42 8:42 family man. The era of Michigan as a football power is over.

[@casuallynerdy1664]

Good to see Michigan fans slow but surely snapping back to reality

[@Spork123able]

So many missed tackles & missed assignments.

[@Zappappappappa]

Reality of what? That you can't only lose two games in three seasons very often because.... well it only has happened with a very select group of programs in the history of CFB? In that case I agree it was completely unsustainable for any program not just Michigan to continue the historic dominance they were able to build upon to ultimately win it all which requires a great deal of focus from everyone involved at the same time. Rare.

[@casuallynerdy1664]

@@Zappappappappa You really found a floating turd and proclaimed it gold didn’t you? A program riddled with investigations and likely a 7-5 season this year really will make you think fondly of all those memories you had years down the road when you routinely lose to little brother. Most Michigan fans thought they would be making another run at the title this year. I was talking about snapping back to reality on that not unintentionally about Michigan fans living in the past again.

[@_1989M_]

I really love the games steve plays here on this show lol. this is classic. we’re doomed steve , and you know it. doomed.

[@Zappappappappa]

Doomed in regards to what exactly? A year of not achieving and continuing the all-time program success the team experienced for a rare and sustained stretch of time? Keep in mind that last years squad was among the greatest teams in CFB history when talking just pure domination on a week to week basis.

[@19floyed]

​@@Zappappappappa Y'all was cheating week to week 🤣🤣 that's why y'all talking to the NCAA right now and trying to throw harbaugh under the bus 🤣🤣🤣

[@michaelzinn1169]

Ridiculous that Michigan didn't bring in a transfer QB.

[@changyue1955]

Ward Manuel needs to leave. He is the Matt Millen of ADs

[@33bmitchem]

Shew Steve thats tough to swallow but you are spot on! Multiple things can be true with this situation and it has levels. There has been plenty of things that have made me question some of Moore's decisions thus far this year. Steve you make a very good point when comparing where Washington is at currently to where Michigan is at. It's not particularly close either which should be the shocking thing. I do agree somewhat with the crowd that says Moore got handed a pretty bad situation BUT he went out and hand picked his current coaching staff so what has happened so far this season isn't on the departure of the old staff so much as how the new staff is under performing. Specifically we can spotlight the defense where there is plenty of talent yet its alarmingly worse than years past. Another glaring issue is how the QB position was handled during the off season, leading up to the season and now during the season. Just overall IMO its been botched which is one, if not the primary, reason our offense is so bad. The scary thing abou the QB situation is that someone or multiple coaches actually believed that we were set at the QB position and didn't see the need to get a transfer. I'm not even sure the coaching staff even attempted to reach out to anyone? Or I suppose Moore and the staff were so confident in the OL and running game being so dominant that they could make due with the QB room we had? Which in today's style of game you can not be one dimensional. Very frustrating seeing programs like Indiana, Minnesota, Washington and hell even Vanderbilt that went into the portal for a QB (along with other players) and they are performing well above the level of Michigan. All Stallions jokes aside, its no secret that the success of the previous few years and specifically in 2023 was the difference in QB play Michigan had compared to prior years. JJ was a very athletic and cerebral QB that was the difference between the last two decades of Michigan football and reaching the top of the mountain. It should not be that difficult to recruit an even decently athletic experienced QB out of the portal to Michigan. The main problem Michigan has with this situation is the scheme they run compared to other programs searching for a QB as well. Why would top tier QB's want to come to Michigan to throw for 15-20 passes a game and not make market value NIL while other programs will let the same QB throw 30+ passes a game for about the same NIL money with less pressure on them? The notion or thought process by the Michigan program (coaches/AD/recruiters) that seems to be this very old school smash mouth run the damn ball and over power everyone needs to get adjusted to the current style of college football. Stop being arrogant and bullheaded thinking you'll just bully ball everyone. Adapt and evolve to get on the same level as those programs that can bully teams but yet also have a more than capable passing attack like the Georgia's, Alabama's and Ohio St's. Long gone are the days of "give him 3/4 years to get his recruits in there". There is absolutely no excuse to not assemble a competitive team year after year if you can evaluate talent correctly and place said talent in the best possible positions to be successful. Create game plans and schemes that allow your talent to be succesfful which will showcase how good of a coach you are. We are currently seeing the opposite at Michigan and as a Michigan fan (that witnessed the natty in person) it makes me sad to see.

[@gpv527]

Completely fair and true assessment of the UM team/coaches. This team has gone from being the BEST tackling team in college football to the worst tackling team. I've said it before and I'll say it again, will someone, anyone, PLEASE teach Zeke Berry how to tackle in the open field. And while you're at it, can someone, anyone, PLEASE teach Makari Paige how to catch a football that is thrown right at him! I guess that's why he is on Defense. Second half adjustments are non-existent in UM games (with the exception of the OTHER team making adjustments). Utterly embarrassing watching UM players come out after halftime and make even WORSE mistakes on the field than in the first half. THAT'S COACHING BUFFOONERY!!! Hate to say it, but OSU probably WILL hang a hundred on us this year.

[@kryptokc3800]

As I sit here at Dowling stadium watching 13-14yr olds play, I wonder why you didn’t first acknowledge your backpedal on why “Sherrone” should have been the coach. This is not to say you’re wrong but you & others were adamant in telling others that it would be a mistake to bring someone else in and change the culture

[@WT-Sherman]

I wouldn’t bet the farm that Moore is let go after one year. Ann Arbor is WAY TOO woke to let that happen.

[@dilldowschwagginz2674]

UM is one of the most woke institutions on the planet. Literally. They'll give Moore at least 3 years but probably more like 5

[@thomasb.smithjr.8401]

Yes, I agree. Political correctness will trump on-field results, for a time, even if things turn south. It doesn't mean persons of color aren't good coaches or administrators, it's just that the UM job is now such a high profile, pressurized hot seat after three sterling years of success that any slip or mark of decline is felt much keener - and maybe harder - by the faithful.

[@markg.7865]

What....why should he be fired after one year!!

[@WT-Sherman]

@@markg.7865 Ask Steve.

[@markg.7865]

@@WT-Sherman MAGA Steve, he thinks the 1850's are good old days.

[@BigDrive88]

Totally agree with everything you said. I have said a lot of the same things on my couch this season. I don't think this team gets to 6 wins. This team not having a QB is criminal

[@thefireshow1]

Who’s got it better than you? Connor Stalions! Boy, you wish to God Connor was on the sidelines 👍😘😎

[@MattC-eo6ep]

Moore is clearly in over his head. He was the multi-million dollar sacrificial lamb to serve as interim head coach after Jimmy and the rest his staff bailed out. U of M needs to settle with the NCAA, take the punishment, and start fresh to rebuild the program.

[@electrical.banana]

Need to see whats in the most recent NOA and what the COI determines. It might be tough to get a good hc for a couple years

[@maddyandfriends4188]

He was a scapegoat for “keep the culture “ I was complaining since the big ten title that he was being groomed. My Dad got angry and I didn’t want to be right!

[@whyimsmarterthanyou]

The optics of letting go a black HC after only one season is not lost on administrators and university PR peeps. Jus' sayin'.

[@christianfelan8732]

Very true!!

[@yellowblackbird9000]

We should have done a hard reset with an entirely different staff now instead of doing three to five years of mediocrity followed by a hard reset which is what we are doing now.

[@stevepytel1370]

Steve PLEASE READ!! I agree with you . What Michigan fans have got to understand though is if you are top-of-the-line quarterback coming out of high school or a transfer portal why would you come to Michigan and what makes people think that we could get a top line quarterback come to Michigan they’re gonna ball off 90% of the time, no kid wants to go and throw the ball only 15 times game. Which also is why our receivers don’t get open because they’re lit second receivers as well because the good ones go where they’re gonna be getting the ball throw to them.aka osu

[@ericpollitt7910]

I agree with Steve's conclusion. He has come around on this hire, thankfully. I do not want to see a juan howard like final season next year. Let's cut our losses. Last year's identity was a winning formula and fit our brand let's find a coach who has the same identity and philosophy.

[@DouglasLESLIE-z9x]

Excellent podcast. I learned things. 6-6 bowl eligible bound baby! Warde will keep Moore for 3 years. 2025 7-5, and then 2026 4-8

[@Tomtabsands]

If Harbaugh was a good coach the program would still be good after his exit. Back to reality after Conner left the program looking for an advantage.

[@christianfelan8732]

You do understand that in addition to Harbaugh 18 of 22 starters left, as well as the ENTIRE defensive staff.

[@jeffnewcombe51]

I totally agree Steve, you can just see the cracks becoming more and more apparent. I think we will se more and more discipline issues on and off the field. I think Moore is in way over his head and does not seem to be a good evaluator of talent, especially in regard to QBs. And the in-game coaching and adjustments just aren't there. I do not have much confidence moving forward.

[@JW-28]

Hard to win without a QB and WRs. 6 losses this season, boys.

[@johnderfler5183]

Good to see those old clips of BO, one hell of a coach.

[@hebrewhammer4086]

I mean I think we need to have some patience with Moore. He got dropped into a awful position, the coaching staff was basically gutted, and most of the starters left for the NFL, and it's his first year as a HC. But we definitely need to find a actual OC and a better DC in the off season. I blame harbaugh more for the position we are in now than anyone else. That doesn't mean I don't love the guy for getting us a natty, but he did kinda screw us after winning the natty. And Tuttle is by far the better of the 3 QBs we got..

[@darrellwilliams1510]

Gutted?!?! He’s got 4 first round draft picks, best DT combo in college fb, elite RB’s, solid o-line, highest ranked corner in CB to start the season, outstanding Tight ends, more talent than most Big10 teams. It’s all on the HC.

[@hebrewhammer4086]

@@darrellwilliams1510 go back and reread my comment. I said he gutted the COACHING staff. Not the players.

[@MissionForward3]

Totally agree.

[@rowdy831]

@@hebrewhammer4086 Part of that is one Moore. He could have promoted the Dline coach and would have had a person working as hard as he is to make the team better. It was a big ask but that doesn't mean it was the right move either.

[@hebrewhammer4086]

@@rowdy831 yeah I agree with ya. I just get reminded of fire harbaugh in 2020 with all this.

[@kentjackson9054]

AS A OHIO STATE fan ; please do not try to TEAR DOWN the black man the Head Coach , Michigan knew exactly what they was getting in him as a coach & recruiting & he took over last year & won .. Michigan & the fans knew the QB situation was a problem a year ago , he beat USC now he struggling Michigan knew he would & so did the fans down try to tear him down now , rally around him !!

[@BIMBA7579-rr6gh]

Moore is out of his league. OC schemes stink. DC is Don Brown. Team is undisciplined and fundamentally unsound. The football program is in trouble.

[@tudfrey]

Our Defensive backs coach is terrible. D Coordinator is terrible.

[@brianshaffer810]

Hey Steve you guys cheated the proof is in the pudding it was the only way you guys could beat OSU was by cheating I hope you guys are penalized to the stone age. Go bucks!!!

[@comicsunblock]

Reason Number One: The NOA says Sherrone has a multiple year show cause and Michigan will have to move on no matter the results the rest of this season.

[@DanArbor]

Moore is clearly WAY over his head . He treats the players like his brothers and friends . He is not fit to coach at MI and he won’t be around here much longer . Such a disgrace to MI Football

[@christianfelan8732]

Disgrace? I don't know, BUT over his head? YEP!!!

[@jamesarnold3890]

How the hell do you Address coaching during the bye ? They can either coach or they can’t it’s that simple.. Michigan has a slew of no-talent coaches period … Starting with the HC and going down the list

[@chadkupchick4132]

Lol its clearly a 4-8 season its Qbs it is the whole offenses talemt on defense means nothing without offense blaming MOORE IS LAZY AND EASY

[@razor7241]

What happens after the NCAA hands down their sanctions from the sign stealing/lack of institutional control?

[@WT-Sherman]

@@razor7241 It might be the out UM needs to fire Moore for cause.

[@reubenmendez4542]

​@@WT-Shermanits written in his contract that he gets paid out if they try to fire him over the sign stealing. Plus no one is coming when there is this much of a shit show going on with the ncaa and posy season bans and recruiting restrictions Mich is stuck with sherrone until the sanctions are over.

[@WT-Sherman]

@@reubenmendez4542 So - if UM fires him for incompetence, he only gets the 5 mill buyout. ?

[@akpost8780]

No more music during practice. It's distracting and creates a lazy culture. This isn't the NFL. These kids need to learn the game in a serious manner.

[@drew6831]

Boomer take, instead why don’t we have some competent play-calling rather than rushing 8 on 3rd and long, and kicking field goals on 4th and short in enemy territory

[@Nick-fz2oo]

Music during practice is not the problem.

[@Night_City_Vibes]

Look Harbaugh blew up the organization because he is selfish, now Sherrone is left putting it back together and being the only man loyal enough to the true blue to do it. Now he is getting all the blame - you guys still carrying the torch for that traitor?

[@Nick-fz2oo]

@@Night_City_Vibes That’s in the past. Loyalty doesn’t matter if you don’t win in the real world. Kids are getting paid and can transfer at will. Sherrone needs to win now or he’s gone (yes, even after one year).

[@hixfire23]

Harbaugh should have lost his job. Then all of a sudden he wins everything. (Stalions) era. Then for some reason everyone bails. Back to dark ages. Huh…🤷‍♂️

[@FJB457]

The old Michigan is back, and that in turn brings the old Stevie back. Steve will be saying, but we won a Natty 20 yrs from now when yalkimg about a mediocre Michigan football squad 😂

[@youdontknow7190]

You don’t know that and it is not going to be the case. You have a theory, nothing more.

[@blackdawg7324]

Yep. Steve thought the success over the past 3 years was going to be the new norm. It's layered in cheating. Now UM is back to who they always were--an 8-4, 9-3 team. And with the NOA and penalties to come, no big name coach is coming to UM. Plus with all the roadblocks and restrictions the school puts up when in comes to NIL, recruiting, etc., no coach with high expectations for success could ever win there. Harbaugh was a special case because of his past there. He had a long leash at UM. No future coach is going to get that. UM wants a coach they can control.

[@gtyus8219]

It would be a great statement, about the honor and standards of the program if they move on from him and get a seasoned highly respected head coach

[@GoBlue4lyfe]

My question is this, did Sherone not learn ANYTHING from JH??!!

[@thefireshow1]

Yeah, find another Connor Stalions 🤣

[@martysimmonds6292]

Current um administration is not interested in championship football

[@docadjmf]

Who would be a good hire for a new head coach and DC?

[@CedricBerry-b9k]

ANYBODY WHITE!!!!!!

[@chads9431]

Maybe Moore should bring Stalions back since he is mostly responsible for their success the past three years.

[@Catchafire2000]

The issue is HC experience and a fan base not patient to at least give another year. Trust me, Sherrone is getting another year. The portal exists, but Michigan isn't a buy a team program (yet). But yeah, I don't think this is as quick a fix as we would like.

[@davidschneider6306]

Harbaugh scared off recruits by shopping for an NFL job every year. He left Moore with not much just like Carr did to RR.

[@davidhernandez9985]

You're right; if there is a disappointing season, I concur that a change is necessary. "TexasA&M O-C Colin Klein" is on fire now! Always, Steve GOBLUE-NATTYUP🏆.

[@DP-sq6ej]

I know this guy has a tarnished past but if people can move past that I believe there is a guy who was a really good head coach and now an OC who has been doing great. Bobby Petrino. Help him get a great coaching staff and some top talent and I believe he will get a natty in the near future.

[@rudela9900]

The coaching staff and the idiotic AD are in over their heads. We need to clean house, and hope Harbaugh wins his Super Bowl and returns asap.

[@hebrewhammer4086]

Lmao harbaugh isn't coming back, I hope that was sarcasm. he kinda left us out to dry after getting us a natty.

[@Zappappappappa]

Would you trade a guaranteed 11 win season this year instead of winning it all last season? In hindsight Harbaugh sold out hard as hell to win a year ago and personally it was absolutely worth it.

[@Zappappappappa]

​@@hebrewhammer4086writing was on the wall but there were multiple factors helping to push his desire to win a title in the NFL finally but the AD and administration hanging him out to dry during the entire "signgate" conspiracy theory to tank the season last year and the nonexistent public support for Harbaugh by the AD and UMs administration was the nail in the coffin when it came to leaving for the NFL.

[@Zappappappappa]

​@@hebrewhammer4086btw if Harbaugh won the super bowl you can never make certain assumptions due solely because of the man in question. It's extremely unlikely and I would be skeptical if it were to happen until a plane touched down in Ann Arbor with him on board 😂

[@hebrewhammer4086]

@@Zappappappappa he was flirting with the NFL for years so I don't think he was gonna ever stay. With that being said, I definitely agree the AD and administration did not help.

[@akimm90]

Wink has to go. Turns out his "O.G" self title, is just Old Guy. He's Don Brown 2.0, and that's not a compliment. STOP calling corner blitz when your safties cant cover anyone! The game, especially at the collegiate level, has passed him by. On offense, Sherrone needs to take over the playcalling again. Campbell's one year at ODU is clearly not computing to big level play. I know it seems easy to be a "coach" from home. But when there are glaring issues, it's difficult not to point them out

[@thomasb.smithjr.8401]

Beware the season after ... in recent years, I'm talking '98 and '07, respectively. After '97's nat'l title, the Irish blew us out in South Bend and 'Cuse/McNabb routed us in the Big House before Brady's emergence led to a 10-3 finish. In '07 - after flirting with the nat'l title for much of '06 - well, we know what happened in game one, don't we ? Even Mandarin speaking Chinese tea traders in Northwest Xiaopang Province know what happened. Then Oregon clocked us in AA the following week. That year ended in 9-4 with a lot of injured first round NFL draftees and dashed expectations. Hmm ... Michigan doesn't appear to be a school/team that can sustain prosperity - at a high level - for more than a few years. Kinda like the NY Jets back in the 2010's - they had a three year run, didn't they ?

[@MelissaOffenbacher]

Could have 4 losses right now. Somebody get Connor on the phone!

[@terrythorington8481]

Our receivers our garbage - not impressed !