Top 6 Reasons Sherrone's In Trouble | Michigan Podcast

Steve says this Michigan program is heading nowhere good -- and fast.

[@gew1898]

Tuttle is the only serviceable quarterback Michigan has. Sad but true.

[@EnzoMoresi-mj8bc]

Thanks Harbaugh!!!!

[@slow_rolla5036]

The qbs are fine it's the ccoaching that's not working

[@gew1898]

@@slow_rolla5036 That’s a possibility but I’m trying to give coach Moore the benefit of the doubt. I admit that it’s getting harder every week.

[@johnm6798]

@@slow_rolla5036 The QBs are fine?? No way. Orji cannot pass and Warren was a walk on who hadn't played in 4 years and Tuttle seems to be an average to below average talent. This is a bad QB room that I am shocked Jimmy left us with, but he gave us a Natty so whatever.

[@slow_rolla5036]

@johnm6798 the coaching is so bad you don't know what they have the o line can't pass block consistently and the play calling is terrible

[@neilwiggins2839]

Sherrone Moore's success last year was with Harbaugh's game plans and coaches!

[@amadizyair3441]

So this Harbaugh fault he left Moore out to dry like how he didn’t recruit a me QB after JJ 😂

[@coreyscott7296]

And cheating

[@Night_City_Vibes]

Harbaugh is selfish and blew up the organization for his own selfish ends.

[@mickey34jb]

Sherrone Moore's success last year was helped along by Stallions in the first 3 games

[@nd9038-w2n]

@@Night_City_Vibes Waaaahhhh!

[@AngryOtter614]

When I saw the briefcase full of sunglasses come out during the Fresno st. game, I knew ya'll were in trouble.

[@kevinjohnston4923]

What makes it even more absurd is that the players don’t even get to keep the sunglasses, only the player with the most INTs at the end of the year.

[@vaughnwesterby5162]

Moore not ready for prime time, never a head coach, never a coordinator on his own, should not be the head coach at Michigan for his first job, this should not be on the job training! Another bad AD decision. It’s not hindsight by me, it’s just the way it should be at one of top football schools in history and coming off a natty! 🤷🏻‍♂️ You can’t start the season with the QB room the way it is and not see the problem after watching these backups play for the last two or three years. Now they are going to their 3rd QB Tuttle, who is probably the best option that I’ve seen but him being injured often has been a big issue. Yes he made mistakes but when he took over you could see difference. Problem is the O line and receivers aren’t playing very well to say the least. You can’t throw it to Loveland every time! …..I did not even get to the secondary, they 💩!…….loved your 6 reasons! 👍🏻

[@garymoore1600]

Sadly you are right

[@amadizyair3441]

He was ready and undefeated last year 😂

[@rowdy831]

@@amadizyair3441 He had to coach they game last year. This year he had to hire people, game plan, fundraise and everything else that goes along with coaching major school. Very big ask for anyone.

[@dustinschalk8825]

@@amadizyair3441respectfully that’s silly. Last year all he had to do was take the reins for one day . To be clear he did good ..but that’s MUCH MUCH less work and responsibility then actually beign the head coach day in and day out and all that entails .last year Harbaugh wa coaching day in and day out during the week and game planning …fine tuning drills and details , final say on eveyerjkfk etc etc .

[@EnzoMoresi-mj8bc]

Maybe Jay Harbaugh can come back and be our HC! Recall dipsh-ts over at mgoblog board giddy thinking that OJT-special was ever going to be HC material. Lol

[@stevej7425]

Thanks Warde for chasing off the best coach we ever had.

[@drewblue1164]

The question is will Warde Manuel have the guts to do the right thing and fire Moore after the Ohio game so we can be first in line for the best available head coach and he can immediately hit the portal and build his staff instead of waiting until sometime in 2025 or 2026 to do what we already know needs to happen??? I like Moore as a person but it’s clear he’s not ready to be HC for one of the top programs in college football. And bad coordinators are on Moore. That’s his job to fix that.

[@garymoore1600]

Haha cmon. Warde is firing sherrone even if we lose out. Biggest reason is Moore is the first black head coach

[@rowdy831]

No

[@Jay-n262]

I don't know, he kept Juwan Howard around for 5 years until the program bottomed out.

[@jollymon7881]

"... after the Ohio game". Correction. Should read, " ..after The Ohio State game". There, I fixed it for you.

[@Al-Rudigor]

​@@garymoore1600Jim should have been fired too. He ain't black. The man had to take a pay cut ffs! The black coach only gets one year though? You guys, I swear.

[@jimford6478]

This channel is consistently providing honest and fair reporting on any team covered.

[@hdubya692]

Sherrone is in over his head. The Admin knew they wouldn't get a top notch head coach with penalties coming, so why waste a lot of time doing a search. Sherrone gets a nice pay day and a pat on the head when the smoke clears.

[@hispanieldaniel]

Sherrone will be fired when the penalties arrive.

[@user-sg8kq7ii3y]

Sherrone should start cheating too. That way he may start winning too, like how Harbaugh did.

[@michaelmcgregor007]

My reasons: 1) we are wasting a generational Dline with Dr. Blitz 2.0 2) Kirk Campbell is unimaginative and lost as an OC 3) J. Hill and Z Berry are out of position constantly and cannot tackle in space 4) we don’t know how to use Donovan Edward’s properly 5) we don’t throw the ball down the field , literally, EVER! 6) we are not making proper adjustments at 1/2 time

[@BarryStonecliffe]

Yeah, seems all the do is throw to Loveland.

[@emoney3912]

Sherrone an csmpbell is insanely conservative almost scared to try a toward pass. The same when we played Penn state last year.

[@EricaAllispn]

I blame warde manuel hes a bad AD

[@IRightwiggle]

How Warde hired an assistant with zero experience without interviewing proven P4 head coaches is absolutely insane. Didn’t like it then, and sure don’t like it now. Laziness that is now costing the program.

[@jackpackage4278]

The reason I have no patience for the coaches is because you look over at a team like Indiana, a team with like half the talent of Michigan and they look way scarier than us, and that is 100% because of the coaching. Sometimes rebuilds take time but this Michigan team has a ton of good talent on it, it’s not like Sherrone was starting from scratch. Obviously we can’t fire Sherrone after one season but holy shit I want both coordinators gone either by the end of the season or sooner. At this point Illinois, Indiana, Oregon, and OSU are looking like damn near guaranteed losses.

[@darrellwilliams1510]

What elite coordinators are going to work for a first year head coach…on the hot seat. Moore hired these guys. Including his sorry OC buddy w/ zero experience. Anything less than 8-4 he needs to go. This is the worst coaching staff in the Big10 by A LOT.

[@jackpackage4278]

@@darrellwilliams1510 100% agree, but my thing is the best we can hope for is the OC and the DC being fired because I highly doubt they would get rid of Sherrone after 1 season. What Indiana is currently doing with their new coach and half the talent wipes out all excuses for Michigan coaches and honestly I’m jealous.

[@darrellwilliams1510]

@@jackpackage4278 I got you. The prob w/ inexperienced coaches is, they don’t have a network or staff of coaches they won with…and they haven’t had time to make mistakes…that’s why it usually takes years to achieve success, and most coaches never do achieve success like UM demands. And many proven coordinators are looking for HC jobs. I like Moore as a person and a coach, but not as UM HC. Don’t want to wait 10 yrs for him to grow into the role. Recruits have a short memory. If UM is trash for couple years it’s a LONG way back. It took Harbs 7 years.

[@jackpackage4278]

@@darrellwilliams1510 what I’ve noticed with coaching in general in college football is you want an older head coach who is a known for winning (obviously) but younger coordinators. Idk what it is but old coordinators in college almost always seem to be so stubborn about adjusting their scheme but young guys are more in tune with how the game is changing and will better adapt.

[@Point-kp7ef]

Didn't you call for Jim's head 4 years ago

[@danielroberts3920]

Really missing Stalions! The ASTERISK is real for these pathetic cheaters!

[@Jay-n262]

They really missed Stallions for the final 8 games last season.

[@BigHouse907]

Did your team play Michigan in the 2nd half of last season? If so you’re insinuating they were too stupid to change signs. 🤣🤣

[@Grumpy_Bomber]

this looser needs an excuse for sucking the last few years lol

[@timeisahumanconstruct9251]

I think everyone is underestimating Northwestern. They can beat Michigan. In every loss they've had they were competitive for most of the game. They can move the ball easily and have a better defense than UM. Don't underestimate them.

[@seon-kimin6784]

S.Moore is Mel Tucker. He got to go.

[@slippinjimmy9826]

Steve finally making sense again this week. Agree about Sherrone. Happy you're done with the "Orji is the guy" bs 😂

[@thingsarequestionable]

Sherrone is trash. Look at Rutgers and Indiana. Half the talent and rwice the job getting done. Donovan goes down when a butterfly hits him. Mullins had 14 carries????????? What a F ing disgrace.

[@Night_City_Vibes]

@@thingsarequestionable the goal post is real low at those institutions. Different kind of dog different kind of tricks.

[@markg.7865]

Give him time, Harbaugh couldn't beat Ohio St for 7 years!

[@raylevelston8250]

The OC hates orji for whatever reason..he also is riding Donovan when he is clearly our number 2 guy..wink is just flat out in the wrong league..his defense will work in the nfl..but this ain't that..if Moore keeps them he has to be blamed for the fall of michigan

[@davidschneider6306]

Twice the talent? Where? short at OL, DB, receiver etc.

[@austin6446]

Have you seen Indiana's schedule compared to Michigan's?!

[@lorenzocole8166]

He's not in trouble. No hammer is coming. They are mad about the non-cooperation. Sherrone Moore has to get his own identity on offensive. Martindale, might be the creator of the defensive scheme, but McDonald and Minter know what changes that needed to be made and made them.

[@jravitsk]

Better pass defense and back to the run, wink is the problem, missed coverages etc

[@EnzoMoresi-mj8bc]

So Harbaugh hits the hot seat, gets a REAL rb coach (not his buffoon son for six years!) and then hires up and coming young D coordinator. Harbaugh leaves and so we hire crusty old NFL cast-offs ? This makes about as much sense as giving Moore the job to begin with.

[@jofi4580]

Don't look now but another UM player just slipped and fell down.

[@Brettwbeyer14]

that just infuriated me more than anything. A national championship team with players developed during that championship run cant tackle and cant stay on their feet. These are division 1 athletes 4 star recruits playing on the defending national championship team that looks like they have coordination issues at times.

[@antoniomalave6093]

lol that had me dying.

[@hebrewhammer4086]

I mean I think we need to have some patience with Moore. He got dropped into a awful position, the coaching staff was basically gutted, and most of the starters left for the NFL, and it's his first year as a HC. But we definitely need to find a actual OC and a better DC in the off season. I blame harbaugh more for the position we are in now than anyone else. That doesn't mean I don't love the guy for getting us a natty, but he did kinda screw us after winning the natty. And Tuttle is by far the better of the 3 QBs we got..

[@darrellwilliams1510]

Gutted?!?! He’s got 4 first round draft picks, best DT combo in college fb, elite RB’s, solid o-line, highest ranked corner in CB to start the season, outstanding Tight ends, more talent than most Big10 teams. It’s all on the HC.

[@hebrewhammer4086]

@@darrellwilliams1510 go back and reread my comment. I said he gutted the COACHING staff. Not the players.

[@MissionForward3]

Totally agree.

[@rowdy831]

@@hebrewhammer4086 Part of that is one Moore. He could have promoted the Dline coach and would have had a person working as hard as he is to make the team better. It was a big ask but that doesn't mean it was the right move either.

[@hebrewhammer4086]

@@rowdy831 yeah I agree with ya. I just get reminded of fire harbaugh in 2020 with all this.

[@steveskuras2515]

I'm sick of Sherone Moore saying we have a few things to clean up after 6 games in. He's delusional

[@EricaAllispn]

@@steveskuras2515 more than a few things it's not just the QB. The team is so fragmented from personnel to play calling

[@DFH13019X]

He’s got to see it. He’s probably just being a HC and saying what he can to keep his team. His coordinators are terrible and these players don’t seem to be ready and conditioned for 4 quarters of football. Edit: with that being said, he’s a stand up guy as Steve said, but wasn’t ready for this stage. Need a new coaching staff.

[@Jay-n262]

Sherrone is looking like Juwan Howard in over his head. If you're going to let Harbaugh and John Beilein walk away you better have a top coach lined up.

[@EnzoMoresi-mj8bc]

Kinda like over at Purdue with that buffoon Ryan Walters.

[@situated4]

After Michigan serves the penalties that are coming. Then a top-notch national rebuild coach for the future.

[@EnzoMoresi-mj8bc]

@@situated4 "that are coming"......speaking of which, you're running low on Jergens and Kleenex.

[@user-sg8kq7ii3y]

Harbaugh was a cheat.

[@EnzoMoresi-mj8bc]

@@situated4 lol "penalties" for "sign stealing" which isn't against any rule ever written. "Penalties".

[@speedisgood71]

Jack Tuttle is "Michigan hot"

[@Zappappappappa]

Ehhh considering the absurdity at QB leading up to Tuttle getting a shot I'd say he started out looking like Mahomes when you compare. That is just inexcusable though, how is there not even just a middle of the pack QB on the roster at the bare minimum. Hindsight is 20/20 but I believe Harbaugh selling out for a national championship last season was 150000% worth the ongoing shit show that is the 2024 QB play. I wouldn't trade it for a guaranteed 11 win squad this year. Oh well lmfao

[@Al-Rudigor]

😂😂😂

[@barrysells2473]

Hes in trouble because harbaugh left an empty cupboard when he bailed lol

[@ernestkovach3305]

@@barrysells2473 False. Near full cupboard and a treaure trove of blue chippers on both sides of the ball.

[@Jazz16-we1qc]

@@ernestkovach3305 Not false. The legend, HARBAUGH, left, along with all the great coaches in the cupboard. And then 20-some players flew out of the cupboard. A few blue chippers remained, but the net result was they got wiped out. No good QB and no good receivers now. The team morale is wiped out too. Thank the AD, who disliked Harbaugh personally and never truly backed him. Football is a team sport. You can't just says that they have a few good players still and expect great results. It's rebuilding time. Might take years to rebuild.

[@ernestkovach3305]

@Jazz16-we1qc He left a treasure trove of riches in that cupboard. Yes, a lot of players graduated or headed off to the NFL, as did several of his brilliant staff . However, because UM had so many blowout games and then some great tight games, a LOT of talented 2nd and 3rd stringers got a LOT of P.T. and,yes, " experience" ! Stop making excuses. Michigan is loaded even if they do not have as much depth as a year ago. Plus, we nabbed the best player on Northwestern's offensive line and Maryland's best player, period exclamation point! The cupboard Harbaugh left was very strong. Very strong. Tuttle if not injured and had started the season ? Michigan would be 5-1 and ranked in the top 5. Instead ,TUTTLE never started during the entire first half of the regular season. YOU need to watch and learn grasshopper . Tuttle is a fine passer, and he will lead UM to glorious victories . He's not perfect, but he was a 4 star QB coming out of high school and / or is a 6 or 7 year veteran. The biggest disappointment is the lack of fundamentals, the many penalties, and the shocking amount of turnovers. This is the fault of the coaching staff, as is the poor play calling by Moore and our 2 coordinators. Case closed.

[@HEATHDIDION-k5u]

It’s not very strong outside of 5-6 players from last year team. We are top heavy. Even with JJ as QB we wouldn’t win the big ten or the national championship this year

[@33bmitchem]

Shew Steve thats tough to swallow but you are spot on! Multiple things can be true with this situation and it has levels. There has been plenty of things that have made me question some of Moore's decisions thus far this year. Steve you make a very good point when comparing where Washington is at currently to where Michigan is at. It's not particularly close either which should be the shocking thing. I do agree somewhat with the crowd that says Moore got handed a pretty bad situation BUT he went out and hand picked his current coaching staff so what has happened so far this season isn't on the departure of the old staff so much as how the new staff is under performing. Specifically we can spotlight the defense where there is plenty of talent yet its alarmingly worse than years past. Another glaring issue is how the QB position was handled during the off season, leading up to the season and now during the season. Just overall IMO its been botched which is one, if not the primary, reason our offense is so bad. The scary thing abou the QB situation is that someone or multiple coaches actually believed that we were set at the QB position and didn't see the need to get a transfer. I'm not even sure the coaching staff even attempted to reach out to anyone? Or I suppose Moore and the staff were so confident in the OL and running game being so dominant that they could make due with the QB room we had? Which in today's style of game you can not be one dimensional. Very frustrating seeing programs like Indiana, Minnesota, Washington and hell even Vanderbilt that went into the portal for a QB (along with other players) and they are performing well above the level of Michigan. All Stallions jokes aside, its no secret that the success of the previous few years and specifically in 2023 was the difference in QB play Michigan had compared to prior years. JJ was a very athletic and cerebral QB that was the difference between the last two decades of Michigan football and reaching the top of the mountain. It should not be that difficult to recruit an even decently athletic experienced QB out of the portal to Michigan. The main problem Michigan has with this situation is the scheme they run compared to other programs searching for a QB as well. Why would top tier QB's want to come to Michigan to throw for 15-20 passes a game and not make market value NIL while other programs will let the same QB throw 30+ passes a game for about the same NIL money with less pressure on them? The notion or thought process by the Michigan program (coaches/AD/recruiters) that seems to be this very old school smash mouth run the damn ball and over power everyone needs to get adjusted to the current style of college football. Stop being arrogant and bullheaded thinking you'll just bully ball everyone. Adapt and evolve to get on the same level as those programs that can bully teams but yet also have a more than capable passing attack like the Georgia's, Alabama's and Ohio St's. Long gone are the days of "give him 3/4 years to get his recruits in there". There is absolutely no excuse to not assemble a competitive team year after year if you can evaluate talent correctly and place said talent in the best possible positions to be successful. Create game plans and schemes that allow your talent to be succesfful which will showcase how good of a coach you are. We are currently seeing the opposite at Michigan and as a Michigan fan (that witnessed the natty in person) it makes me sad to see.

[@Christian_Felan]

Can we let this WHOLE staff go after this year and then do an ACTUAL HC search rather than just walk down the hall? It would be nice to get a dude with HC experience as HC!!

[@situated4]

After all the dust and penalties clear. Then a Bill Biliechick type will come to coach Michigan again for the future. This is hangover time right now. It'll be okay. This is the relatively small price to pay for the national championship.

[@kryptokc3800]

As I sit here at Dowling stadium watching 13-14yr olds play, I wonder why you didn’t first acknowledge your backpedal on why “Sherrone” should have been the coach. This is not to say you’re wrong but you & others were adamant in telling others that it would be a mistake to bring someone else in and change the culture

[@BigDrive88]

Totally agree with everything you said. I have said a lot of the same things on my couch this season. I don't think this team gets to 6 wins. This team not having a QB is criminal

[@stevepytel1370]

Steve PLEASE READ!! I agree with you . What Michigan fans have got to understand though is if you are top-of-the-line quarterback coming out of high school or a transfer portal why would you come to Michigan and what makes people think that we could get a top line quarterback come to Michigan they’re gonna ball off 90% of the time, no kid wants to go and throw the ball only 15 times game. Which also is why our receivers don’t get open because they’re lit second receivers as well because the good ones go where they’re gonna be getting the ball throw to them.aka osu

[@gpv527]

Completely fair and true assessment of the UM team/coaches. This team has gone from being the BEST tackling team in college football to the worst tackling team. I've said it before and I'll say it again, will someone, anyone, PLEASE teach Zeke Berry how to tackle in the open field. And while you're at it, can someone, anyone, PLEASE teach Makari Paige how to catch a football that is thrown right at him! I guess that's why he is on Defense. Second half adjustments are non-existent in UM games (with the exception of the OTHER team making adjustments). Utterly embarrassing watching UM players come out after halftime and make even WORSE mistakes on the field than in the first half. THAT'S COACHING BUFFOONERY!!! Hate to say it, but OSU probably WILL hang a hundred on us this year.

[@maddyandfriends4188]

He was a scapegoat for “keep the culture “ I was complaining since the big ten title that he was being groomed. My Dad got angry and I didn’t want to be right!

[@gregpartamian9467]

Didn’t Steve Sarkisian go five and seven in his first year at Texas

Sarkisian is the most overrated coach in CFB. He has a loaded team with talent. Texas BUYS talent. All of his starters are driving Ferraris and Lambos. They even posted a recruiting video a few months ago showing off their cars and bling.

[@jeffnewcombe51]

I totally agree Steve, you can just see the cracks becoming more and more apparent. I think we will se more and more discipline issues on and off the field. I think Moore is in way over his head and does not seem to be a good evaluator of talent, especially in regard to QBs. And the in-game coaching and adjustments just aren't there. I do not have much confidence moving forward.

[@cacogenicist]

Random Oregon fan here. I don't understand how a Michigan doesn't go out get some kind of serviceable QB who can execute the forward pass. It's one thing to not have a great QB, it's something else to not have a single QB on the roster. ... did the staff not understand that they didn't have a QB, or did they not care?

[@rudela9900]

The coaching staff and the idiotic AD are in over their heads. We need to clean house, and hope Harbaugh wins his Super Bowl and returns asap.

[@hebrewhammer4086]

Lmao harbaugh isn't coming back, I hope that was sarcasm. he kinda left us out to dry after getting us a natty.

[@Zappappappappa]

Would you trade a guaranteed 11 win season this year instead of winning it all last season? In hindsight Harbaugh sold out hard as hell to win a year ago and personally it was absolutely worth it.

[@Zappappappappa]

​@@hebrewhammer4086writing was on the wall but there were multiple factors helping to push his desire to win a title in the NFL finally but the AD and administration hanging him out to dry during the entire "signgate" conspiracy theory to tank the season last year and the nonexistent public support for Harbaugh by the AD and UMs administration was the nail in the coffin when it came to leaving for the NFL.

[@Zappappappappa]

​@@hebrewhammer4086btw if Harbaugh won the super bowl you can never make certain assumptions due solely because of the man in question. It's extremely unlikely and I would be skeptical if it were to happen until a plane touched down in Ann Arbor with him on board 😂

[@hebrewhammer4086]

@@Zappappappappa he was flirting with the NFL for years so I don't think he was gonna ever stay. With that being said, I definitely agree the AD and administration did not help.

[@rickharris6342]

He should’ve NEVER been hired. I truly believe that he was a DEI hire. GO BLUE

[@rudela9900]

So is the AD.

[@Adam-vs2in]

They had to hire him. He was already in the system, coached 3 games when Harbaugh was suspended. If they passed on him several players would have hit the portal with a new coach that does not know Michigan. It was the only logical choice unless Minter was available.

[@chadg6874]

Did you not witness what he did for the team last year when Harbaugh was suspended? Most of the kids on the team even said he needs to be the coach because of what he did for us last year. Just because he's a black guy don't make him a dei hire, and that's coming from this maga trumper. Get real

[@Adam-vs2in]

@@chadg6874 exactly. There are many dei hires in the world right now. Moore is not one of them. There were just so many things that lined up for this team to have a rough year. The rebuild is going to be more difficult than we thought. Moore just has to make the necessary adjustments and get the right coaches after this season.

[@chadg6874]

@@Adam-vs2in right on! For as much as we can oppose the political racism disguised as "equity", we can't just go calling everyone a dei hire. The fact that this misguided individual said that is also a consequence of the whole "movement," because most people just want to be treated fairly not promoted because of their race, or blamed for things because of people thinking they got an unfair promotion. It's a bunch of nonsense. Just about every Michigan fan was on board with Moore after he won 3 tough games for us last year. That's a qualified hire

[@MattC-eo6ep]

Moore is clearly in over his head. He was the multi-million dollar sacrificial lamb to serve as interim head coach after Jimmy and the rest his staff bailed out. U of M needs to settle with the NCAA, take the punishment, and start fresh to rebuild the program.

[@southeastdaygo6193]

I love that you fans are in shambles! The fact you could only maintain being an elite program for 3 years is hilarious😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. You shouldn't have CHEATED

[@DouglasLESLIE-z9x]

Excellent podcast. I learned things. 6-6 bowl eligible bound baby! Warde will keep Moore for 3 years. 2025 7-5, and then 2026 4-8

[@ericpollitt7910]

I agree with Steve's conclusion. He has come around on this hire, thankfully. I do not want to see a juan howard like final season next year. Let's cut our losses. Last year's identity was a winning formula and fit our brand let's find a coach who has the same identity and philosophy.

[@SuspenseESCAPEremastered]

Results on field are from not obtaining a quarterback in the portal.

[@johnnywebb2351]

And receivers

[@gobluesamg]

Um...and discipline and scheme, etc.

[@GamingTremor]

Completely agree that it feels like something is wrong with the program/team, not just simple fixes that need to be made.

[@Al-Rudigor]

Yes it looks and feels different. They don't have a manifesto. 😂

[@GamingTremor]

It really would have come in handy the second half of last year, not sure why they fired that guy.

[@willie346]

Was amazed that Michigan allowed Haubaugh to pick his successor. You jump ship, but you still get to decide what happens?

[@docadjmf]

Who would be a good hire for a new head coach and DC?

[@Night_City_Vibes]

The answer is Harbaugh, Harbaugh and Harbaugh. He did not recruit, he bounced and took all the staff but Sherrone, he did not recruit a QB, and got rid of Cade McNamara

[@hambam7533]

i agree he took the money and got out of dodge as quick as he could and left sherron with nothing

[@Jay-n262]

Not having the NIL to recruit these top players has also had an effect. They should've been getting top classes the past 3 years. Their last big time RB, recruit was Donovan Edwards.

[@duhdoy08]

I dont blame jim for taking the staff...he built. Every coach does that. I blame jim for poor recruiting. I blame michigan's self righteous approach to nil. At least we are not florida state...yet.

[@Night_City_Vibes]

@@duhdoy08 agreed

[@Al-Rudigor]

​@@Jay-n262they just got the kid from Cincinnati Moeller.

[@gtyus8219]

It would be a great statement, about the honor and standards of the program if they move on from him and get a seasoned highly respected head coach

[@rgreen3037]

I quickly identified 4 other reasons that I believe are as relevant and offer some sanity to what is happening this season. First, Jim Harbaugh played the "am I staying or am I leaving" game almost every off-season and it hurt recruiting. Second, NIL is a significant factor. Until this recruiting cycle, Michigan's philosophy was "coming to Michigan is transformational and not transactional." Third, while it was hoped that the transition from Harbaugh to Moore would be seamless, it was not and many coaches left, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Fourth, even though some really good players stayed, it looks like many of them are suffering from a "natty hangover." Give them all some time unless the Coach feels he needs to make some coaching changes; it took Harbaugh almost his complete tenure to get the staff situation figured out.

[@taurean1207]

Yes more tears 😂

[@jefflampas7759]

If you’re a MSU fan will beat you this year and if you’re Ohio State fan, we’re still the defending national and Big Ten champions. Get a life man …

[@19floyed]

​@@jefflampas7759for how long .... Michigan is talking to NCAA and it's not looking good 🤣🤣🤣🤣 tick tock times running out

[@situated4]

@@jefflampas7759

[@_1989M_]

I really love the games steve plays here on this show lol. this is classic. we’re doomed steve , and you know it. doomed.

[@Zappappappappa]

Doomed in regards to what exactly? A year of not achieving and continuing the all-time program success the team experienced for a rare and sustained stretch of time? Keep in mind that last years squad was among the greatest teams in CFB history when talking just pure domination on a week to week basis.

[@19floyed]

​@@Zappappappappa Y'all was cheating week to week 🤣🤣 that's why y'all talking to the NCAA right now and trying to throw harbaugh under the bus 🤣🤣🤣

[@JW-28]

Hard to win without a QB and WRs. 6 losses this season, boys.

[@yellowblackbird9000]

We should have done a hard reset with an entirely different staff now instead of doing three to five years of mediocrity followed by a hard reset which is what we are doing now.

[@chriss5299]

Lets not forget about our garbage recievers

[@datwolverine]

They look fine when the ball can actually get to them

[@blakemoore122]

How would we know though?

[@chriss5299]

@@blakemoore122 exactly...all we know is that they have trouble getting open. SWe no nothing about their catching abilities'

[@JWoogie66]

I love how everyone told UM fans this is how this season was going to go and the response back was we were all just a bunch of haters.

[@demodiums7216]

lol exactly. This is only a surprise to Michigan fans

[@yellowblackbird9000]

I'm a Michigan fan and it isn't a surprise to me.

[@kevinfry1850]

@@yellowblackbird9000cool you’re an exception to the rule.

[@yellowblackbird9000]

@@kevinfry1850 ur mom

[@IRightwiggle]

Let’s just hire Cignetti and be done with it.

[@razor7241]

What happens after the NCAA hands down their sanctions from the sign stealing/lack of institutional control?

[@WT-Sherman]

@@razor7241 It might be the out UM needs to fire Moore for cause.

[@reubenmendez4542]

​@@WT-Shermanits written in his contract that he gets paid out if they try to fire him over the sign stealing. Plus no one is coming when there is this much of a shit show going on with the ncaa and posy season bans and recruiting restrictions Mich is stuck with sherrone until the sanctions are over.

[@WT-Sherman]

@@reubenmendez4542 So - if UM fires him for incompetence, he only gets the 5 mill buyout. ?

[@buckeye158]

Appreciate the honest takes Steve!

[@bph_119]

The big issue is I just don’t see Warde Manuel getting rid of Moore after only one season. That’d be very uncharacteristic of him. He’ll most likely take the absolute least offensive option, give Moore a leash of at least three years, and would allow him to crater the program before the voices and boosters finally get loud enough force his hand. Nothing will happen. I obviously want Moore to succeed but this far everything indicates that he is in over his head and the program is nose diving. I think the Michigan AD and administration frankly, culturally just doesn’t give a shit about sports in the same way that OSU does and regularly makes things as difficult on themselves as possible. That’s the biggest fundamental issue IMO. Harbaugh managed to do what he did IN SPITE of the university admin, not with their support.

[@clemsonownsthebuckeyes4491]

As a black man that is well educated when it comes to football...I told all my Michigan bro's Sherrone Moore was a bad hire..He has no experience at this level..Giving a black man a chance at head coaching I get that..but he should've proven his self first at another school like San Diego state..then come to Michigan after he has proven his self ..I don't feel like going through another rebuild season we did that with RR

[@kevinfry1850]

I don’t even think that played into the decision. I think Michigan would have had a hard time hiring anyone worth pursuing this offseason. I think hiring Moore for both parties was like “ok let’s try this and see what happens” because the ncaa is going to bring down some sort of hammer.

[@Rwalter0729]

Who cares what color he is! I’m a white man. Do I need to state that before saying the obvious? He has not coached another team and he takes over for Michigan! Can’t evaluate talent obviously as we have already started 3 QBs in what 5 games! Something isn’t right man.

[@RICOJEEZUS]

They should've have kept him on that "prove yourself" contract. What was the point in keeping all the best players that weren't eligible for the NFL if you end up being a big ten bottom feeder after a championship? They should've just did a national search and reset but now they will waste millions when they inevitably get out of this contract with a coach who is not ready for this kind of job yet. Sherrone won't have the necessary network to hire the best coaches either bc he's so young and inexperienced.

[@Ghost_of_a_Flea]

Why would you need to add you are a 'black man?' He's either a good coach or a bad coach. Your opinion or perception of Sherrone Moore should have nothing to do with his/your skin color.

[@cliffsimske5096]

One of the reasons Harbaugh left is that Michigan and the University has become too 8:42 liberal and too woke for a devoted Christian 8:42 8:42 family man. The era of Michigan as a football power is over.

[@comicsunblock]

Reason Number One: The NOA says Sherrone has a multiple year show cause and Michigan will have to move on no matter the results the rest of this season.

[@electrical.banana]

Need to see whats in the most recent NOA and what the COI determines. It might be tough to get a good hc for a couple years

[@jessew1133]

I agree 99.99% of what you said in this clip. The Texas game was a harbinger of things to come and the Arkansas St game put it all in focus. This same Ark St team got blown the 🤬 out the next week vs Iowa St. I've said before I didn't think Moore was the right choice, but was willing to give him a shot. #10 & 20 on defense are... just let's say bad. Link on the O line is horrible. This team will be LUCKY if they win 6 games. The only thing I disagree with is that Purdue is probably the worst coached team in the B1G. To your point about being good on the side of the ball you come from, that guy at Purdue is a defensive coach and Purdue's defense is gawd awful. I'll say it, but not feeling it- Go Blue 😕

[@jamesarnold3890]

How the hell do you Address coaching during the bye ? They can either coach or they can’t it’s that simple.. Michigan has a slew of no-talent coaches period … Starting with the HC and going down the list

[@BIMBA7579-rr6gh]

Moore is out of his league. OC schemes stink. DC is Don Brown. Team is undisciplined and fundamentally unsound. The football program is in trouble.

[@martysimmonds6292]

Current um administration is not interested in championship football

[@michaelzinn1169]

Ridiculous that Michigan didn't bring in a transfer QB.

[@Bigdog21000]

On defense, all you have to do is send 4-5 at most and play great coverage. The front 7 is talented enough to take care of the run. Run stunts and fake outs with those 4/5 guys to get to the QB and keep everything in front of you in the secondary, defense solved. Pretty much do what they have been doing on defense for the past 2-3 years.

[@FJB457]

The old Michigan is back, and that in turn brings the old Stevie back. Steve will be saying, but we won a Natty 20 yrs from now when yalkimg about a mediocre Michigan football squad 😂

[@youdontknow7190]

You don’t know that and it is not going to be the case. You have a theory, nothing more.

[@blackdawg7324]

Yep. Steve thought the success over the past 3 years was going to be the new norm. It's layered in cheating. Now UM is back to who they always were--an 8-4, 9-3 team. And with the NOA and penalties to come, no big name coach is coming to UM. Plus with all the roadblocks and restrictions the school puts up when in comes to NIL, recruiting, etc., no coach with high expectations for success could ever win there. Harbaugh was a special case because of his past there. He had a long leash at UM. No future coach is going to get that. UM wants a coach they can control.

[@matthewwazbinski1489]

I also think the Michigan job is more attractive now, which may seem weird. Last year you were replacing Jim and having to live up to the national championship. Plus possible sanctions. Now you would be taking over a 7 win team and a guy who kinda fumbled and a 10 win season would get you an extension

[@thomasb.smithjr.8401]

Beware the season after ... in recent years, I'm talking '98 and '07, respectively. After '97's nat'l title, the Irish blew us out in South Bend and 'Cuse/McNabb routed us in the Big House before Brady's emergence led to a 10-3 finish. In '07 - after flirting with the nat'l title for much of '06 - well, we know what happened in game one, don't we ? Even Mandarin speaking Chinese tea traders in Northwest Xiaopang Province know what happened. Then Oregon clocked us in AA the following week. That year ended in 9-4 with a lot of injured first round NFL draftees and dashed expectations. Hmm ... Michigan doesn't appear to be a school/team that can sustain prosperity - at a high level - for more than a few years. Kinda like the NY Jets back in the 2010's - they had a three year run, didn't they ?

[@johnm6798]

How lower tier schools have so much better QBs and WRs is amazing to me. What is going on?

[@tyythaking4328]

Wasn’t Jimmy 4-2 thru 6 games his first year ? If not he was 5-2 at least & i didn’t hear anything about “Jimmy is in trouble” let the man coach its his first year as a full time head coach its going to take some time (I made this comment before even watching the video after watching it I kinda agree now)

[@DavidHooper401]

If Sherrone was a good coach, why didn't Harbaugh want to take him to San Diego like everyone else? It's almost like it was an FU to Warde Manuel to "recommend" Sherrone. This dude needs to spend 10 years at G5 school before coaching Michigan. He's in WAY WAY WAY over his head. There are too many problems to list. We have (about) 10 future NFL players. Just wait until the recruits start avoiding this mess. Warde Manuel is gonna have to get his lazy ass in gear and recruit a top flight coach before this bad year turns into a bad decade.

[@taxisquad11]

DO NOT SAY "Tuttle"?? Edwards WILL win the Heisman??? Is There more gas lighting????

[@WT-Sherman]

I wouldn’t bet the farm that Moore is let go after one year. Ann Arbor is WAY TOO woke to let that happen.

[@dilldowschwagginz2674]

UM is one of the most woke institutions on the planet. Literally. They'll give Moore at least 3 years but probably more like 5

[@thomasb.smithjr.8401]

Yes, I agree. Political correctness will trump on-field results, for a time, even if things turn south. It doesn't mean persons of color aren't good coaches or administrators, it's just that the UM job is now such a high profile, pressurized hot seat after three sterling years of success that any slip or mark of decline is felt much keener - and maybe harder - by the faithful.

[@markg.7865]

What....why should he be fired after one year!!

[@WT-Sherman]

@@markg.7865 Ask Steve.

[@markg.7865]

@@WT-Sherman MAGA Steve, he thinks the 1850's are good old days.

[@smh0825]

I didn’t think Sherrone was the next Harbaugh by any means, but I definitely didn’t think he was a bottom 5 coach in the Big 10. Just shows how little influence Sherrone actually had on the team when he was the interim game day head coach. Harbaugh clearly did EVERYTHING up until game day. Ironic how now it’s Sherrone who was born on 3rd. Hate to see it, hope we course correct QUICKLY.

[@eddie-o5u]

That didn't take long. Remember Jim took a while before turning things around. We'd be much better with a capable QB. Let's exercise some patience.

[@mattdaniel7390]

Jim first team didn’t have nearly the talent this team has. People seem to forget this team has 3 if not 4 first rounders on it.

[@SammyJ..]

But Harbaugh also had a long, proven record of success before taking over at Michigan.

[@JB-im5kt]

Washington lost so much more than UofM and clearly dominated on both sides. Coaching is the difference.

[@jackpackage4278]

Bruh look at Indiana. They have half the talent we have, have a brand new coach, and look way scarier than us. This situation for Michigan is 100% on the coaches and they don’t deserve excuses. If we lose Indiana, Illinois, Oregon, and OSU that could cripple our recruiting.

[@Zappappappappa]

​@@SammyJ..I mean he was so terrible and his character by way of "cheating" were so bad that he was talked about every off-season since 2015 as if the NFL and their media hacks were desperately begging him to return.

[@OHPeteB]

Should self-impose a one-year bowl ban now. Nevermind, you would have to finish the season bowl eligible and that is 50/50 at best.

[@Catchafire2000]

The issue is HC experience and a fan base not patient to at least give another year. Trust me, Sherrone is getting another year. The portal exists, but Michigan isn't a buy a team program (yet). But yeah, I don't think this is as quick a fix as we would like.

[@wolves1901]

Why cant we be mad ? Why the does this always happen to Michigan? This should never happen at Michigan especially after last season.

[@DFH13019X]

I LOVE JEDD FISCH! Missed him as soon as he left Michigan and have followed him since.

[@Spork123able]

Zeke Berry looked lost out there

[@Lemma07]

There you go…same people that wanted Harbaugh gone after 2020 are now here for Sherron’s head. Not even a full season post national championship. I remember when Steve said Harbaugh was coaching his last year in 2021 after the MSU loss. People have lost all sense of the word patience. Brady Hoke went 11-2 first year followed by 20-18 next three years. Kirby Smart went 8-5 his first year at Georgia. Just don’t run back later singing Sherron Moore tunes in two years. Stay outside the fence.

[@RICOJEEZUS]

Kirby gets a top 5 class every year. This is not even comparable.

[@ballinjerry]

​@RICOJEEZUS yeah exactly. Michigan doesn't recruit at that level. I think in Harbaugh's 9 years there they had an average recruiting class of like 14. I foresee next year being much worse than this year tbh. They will lose Johnson, Graham, Grant, Stewart, Paige, Loveland, Edwards and Mullings. So, if Sherrone goes 7-5/6-6 with this year's team, watch out for next year cuz it's gonna be even uglier!!!

[@ballinjerry]

7-5/6-6 is undeniably a fireable offense in year 1 with the talent they have on the roster.

[@Lemma07]

@@RICOJEEZUS You are making my point! 🤦‍♂️

[@Lemma07]

@@ballinjerry I actually think we will have a better team next year believe it or not. The type of football we play, it’s best to have a whole team of average players sprinkled with some nfl talent. Now what we have is very top-end nfl talent with otherwise the vast majority of the team young, inexperienced and at this time not good. Can’t even tackle for godsakes.🤦‍♂️Let the young talent and especially O-line mature and with a transfer qb we can be a descent team.

[@bacus626245]

Love Coach Harbaugh and obviously we don’t know the inside specifics of all of the political dynamics that was swirling in the program with the AD, the conference, and the NCAA. With that said, it was immediately obvious what was going to happen during his exit. Coach Harbaugh stripped this program like a chop shop. He won us a natty, but he did not return the program to greatness. When a coach leaves a program better than he found it, that is when greatness is restored. Kills me to say it. No matter what, GO BLUE. 2023 🏆〽️🏈

[@kingo-h]

Why has Warde Manuel not been fired? The entire athletic department is on fire.

[@toribaker00]

When your Head Coach WAFFLES with THE NFL EVERY FLIPPIN OFF SEASON!!!! Is the REASON WHY we HAVE NO SERVICEABLE QB!!!!!!

[@robertjulieannanalett1691]

How about that 10 million coach Lincoln Riley I hear he's available or maybe that Alabama coach with all those five stars he's doing great too

[@situated4]

Moore was the perfect interim for the Program right now with all the significant penalties that are coming. He's doing pretty well considering.

[@SchlomoNosengreensteinberg]

Nothing big is gonna happen. It's a bunch of minor penalties that don't really matter

[@jeffdresser45]

Who are the best choices for replacing all coaches????

[@kentjackson9054]

AS A OHIO STATE fan ; please do not try to TEAR DOWN the black man the Head Coach , Michigan knew exactly what they was getting in him as a coach & recruiting & he took over last year & won .. Michigan & the fans knew the QB situation was a problem a year ago , he beat USC now he struggling Michigan knew he would & so did the fans down try to tear him down now , rally around him !!

[@casuallynerdy1664]

Good to see Michigan fans slow but surely snapping back to reality

[@Spork123able]

So many missed tackles & missed assignments.

[@Zappappappappa]

Reality of what? That you can't only lose two games in three seasons very often because.... well it only has happened with a very select group of programs in the history of CFB? In that case I agree it was completely unsustainable for any program not just Michigan to continue the historic dominance they were able to build upon to ultimately win it all which requires a great deal of focus from everyone involved at the same time. Rare.

[@casuallynerdy1664]

@@Zappappappappa You really found a floating turd and proclaimed it gold didn’t you? A program riddled with investigations and likely a 7-5 season this year really will make you think fondly of all those memories you had years down the road when you routinely lose to little brother. Most Michigan fans thought they would be making another run at the title this year. I was talking about snapping back to reality on that not unintentionally about Michigan fans living in the past again.

[@Canarsie11236]

We have Minnesota level talent with OSU expectations. We have a QB that couldn't start anywhere else in the Big 10, receivers who don't even deserve scholarships, and a brand new OL. I have a suggestion: that 5m pay out that you want to give to get rid of Moore, take 3m and give it to Underwood. Take the other 2 and convince a couple decent receivers to come here and give Coach a chance with a competent roster.

[@JK_450]

The real difference at Michigan was JJ McCarthy. QB play for Michigan has been average ever since the Carr era ended. Harbaugh never recruited QBs well and left Sherrone with nothing. If Michigan had another good QB, I think the overall outlook would improve

January, 2024 "The end was unsightly for Martindale, 60, after he heard from Daboll on Monday that outside linebackers coach Drew Wilkins, a Martindale confidant and right-hand man; along with Wilkins’ younger brother, Kevin, a defensive assistant; were getting fired. Martindale did not handle the news well, The Post reported, firing an expletive at Daboll and getting in a few more choice words before leaving the room, slamming the door and exiting the building. The Giants did not hear from him after that. Martindale told those close to him he was resigning and headed to his home in Florida. That was Monday afternoon. This resolution came 48 hours later. Tension behind the scenes developed this season with Martindale and Daboll, and that tension boiled over when Daboll fired the two trusted Martindale assistants."

[@mikemeyer7759]

Steve…consider moving on after year 1? Totally agree, but you know darn well, that won’t happen

[@Nick-fz2oo]

Unfortunately, you don’t have 3 or 4 years to turn a program around in this era. Sherrone needs to stop the bleeding this year. If not, he’s immediately on the hot seat next year.

[@johngayer2473]

Stay safe Mark.

[@smithg259]

The issue after having a novice head coach is talent and depth at key offensive and defensive skill positions. For example QB, OT, C, WR, S, LB, & CB.

[@bdubs3067]

I just can't believe the search for a new head coach didn't even go outside the locker room and go nationwide now Moore is the Turd in the punch bowl in less than a yr

[@bobpennington1554]

Sherrone is not Harbaugh. That right there should be all you know. He never had his own program and never has had his own identity. You dont learn on the job at Michigan but here we are. We need a big time coach that attracts recruits. Moore loses and recruits start questioning