Top Cards from Foundations | Commander Clash Podcast 173

[@lesternomo6578]

Y’all gotta understand that Richard’s evaluation of wraths is dependent upon the fact that he never plays to the board with any important permanents until he boompiles/farewells on t8 while no one is attacking him the whole game lmao

[@MediumChungus223]

The gang unironically needs to tunnel Richard for a while until he learns.

[@patrickchickey6428]

this is the most frustrating thing to me about richard's card evaluation. He never plays to the board early game and just spends all his time ramping and drawing cards in a wrath-proof way. In most pods, that should just result in you getting killed early because you have no defenses, but the clash gang just lets him get away with it. Then he wraths and plays his janky win con on a clear board (or often convinces someone else to wrath for him). You have to put pressure on a player like that.

[@AsmodeanWoT4]

Richard: This card is strong, making you a threat, so it's bad

[@ryanoster6124]

They could literally print a card that says “this card doesn’t die to farewell” and Richard would still find a way to call it trash

[@bcw1nc865]

Because it doesn't say that it doesn't get exiled by farewell 🧠 🧠

[@ryanoster6124]

😐

[@mandielyn0416]

Nothing ever dies to farewell…

[@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai]

@@mandielyn0416Haha I wish Crim would respond to him saying that with this

[@mightyone3737]

Well, what if they cheat out Humility with their Rector?? WHAT THEN!?

[@arghanothername]

Richard on Abyssal Harvester: “you did all this work.” I wouldn’t consider casting a 3 mana creature all that much work.

[@imaginarymatter]

It can only target creature cards that were put into the graveyard that turn. You have to put effort into getting targets into the graveyard.

[@themonsoon117]

@@imaginarymatter If someone mills, blocks and has a creature die, etc. then you can tap it and take a creature. It doesn't have to be on your turn.

[@jackl8025]

​@@themonsoon117it also works with discard. I want to try it in Raffine reanimator off a Connive trigger

[@dashkatae]

I hate the assessment of, you have to do this or this or this in order to make it work. You don't have to do anything with Harvester. You drop it, if the opponents don't deal with it immediately, it can start gaining you value throughout the game. If an opponent does deal with it, it's one less removal spell they have to deal with your other stuff. Besides, you could put Harvester into a self mill/reanimate deck.

[@coolmanray7397]

@@dashkatae reanimation decks don't really like exiling the stuff they are trying to reanimate. the issue i have with the card is there are very few archetypes that synergize with the card don't like its drawbacks, so itll only go in a few niche decks. I can't imagine seeing this card in anything that isn't standard or a jank edh deck

[@alexkokal1330]

richard’s ranking of black board wipes is wild 💀

[@peoplesoft2784]

Thought you were talking about a dry erase board for a second 😅

[@Lazydino59]

Ah yes a new episode of “this card dies to farewell it’s trash”

[@midnalight6419]

Just play creatures that draw 3 cards on etb

[@axelbrackeniers5488]

Who would guess that creatures die to removal lol. I hate it when people make that point, farewell exists for a reason. Ofcourse your creatures can be hit by Path to Exile, thats the whole point of Path to Exile.

[@BloodMoonGo]

This podcast certainly needs less farewell discourse.

[@FSUMercerian]

Technically I think this Episode is Boompile OP lul but agreed

[@gully041]

I agree. "This card creature dies to removal, its unplayable" discourse was funny at first now its just kind of annoying.

[@ethanglaeser9239]

Can you guys do an episode on card packages? I would love to hear about "when I run x, I also run y and z with it", or the ways that you often find certain groups of cards being played together.

[@HJOTech]

i like this idea!

[@hiSoraaa]

Need this

[@Remlap_MTG]

This would be a GREAT episode

[@spencerwimmer7952]

Excellent idea

[@UberNinjaNerd]

Richard is going to lose his mind when he learns about Ugin the Spirit Dragon. He's out here running Perilous Vault at 9 mana when he could have an 8 mana boardwipe that sticks around to add more value.

[@Sushi4Tetra]

But that's a good card, and playing good cards makes you a threat so it's bad for that reason

[@spicymints2655]

ugin also doesn't exile mana rocks, something richard cares about punishing

[@supranova7594]

​@@spicymints2655not even really mana rocks these days so much as all the food, clue, treasure, blood, and just artifact themed decks in general. Ugin is awful against urza decks (mono blue or esper one)

[@kobisjeruk]

I'm pretty sure they softban ugin(8) among their group.

[@wedgearyxsaber]

​@@Sushi4Tetra but it's op because it DOESN'T die to farewell!!1!1

[@BloodMoonGo]

I'm officially taking Richard's Kiki Combo card. No more trying to blame Tomer after bringing Kiki-Jiki to a super low powered Commander Clash episode.

[@TeenageRiot92]

I'm starting to get really triggered by the "Dies to Farewell"-Argument. Seriously, that ONE card in a 100 cards singleton deck, that changes the outcome of a situation, doesn't mean a card is unplayable. It's like saying: "Anything, that goes on the board, that dies to Farewell, is unplayable in Commander!" I'm not sure if Richard is just being a Troll rn in the Podcasts.

[@DieJG]

Remember that the phrase got so common that Tolarian prof and PK decided to call their podcast that.

[@xanfernandez1768]

I think he's using it as a catch all term for boardwipe situations in general

[@DieJG]

@@xanfernandez1768 yeah, but if you fear your card being removed so much at some point it doesn't Let you enjoy the game.

[@Psynapseful]

It makes sense for how Richard plays. He's optimized for flying under the other players' radars. Most people only see things on the board as threats. Lots of players don't understand that letting a combo player steadily draw cards is about as bad as letting an aggro player play a dozen creatures and hit face. So if you're a Richard, you sandbag all game, occasionally wiping to keep yourself alive and up in cards. Mostly, you want to say things like "hey guys, sorry, my hand is really weak, someone else has to take care of that or we all lose." Then, when every other player exhausts their resources and interaction, you dump your hand and win on the spot.

[@Xopher1222]

Look at how many comments it generated for this video. Richard is an engagement machine

[@alexjunge5826]

We've done it boys - we're in the "this sorcery/instant is trash because it dies to farewell" arc in the show.

[@siltygaming5067]

Earlies take of all time. Richard thinks multiple cards are bad because you will get targeted first. At least the half infinite conqueror, thousand year storm, and multiple others.

[@Lazydino59]

That’s odd I thought they all died to fatewell

[@siltygaming5067]

52:30 here we go again

[@MrZestubo]

The best reason to run Banner of Kinship over Coat of Arms is not having to do Coat of Arms math.

[@vaporeon344]

This is the best comment I’ve seen this week. Truer words never spoken.

[@charliebanks8979]

Reccently discovered this podcast, as a long time 15+ years MTG player. I love this content with you four, I love all the different and interesting perspectves.

[@henrybartholomew5383]

Richard says banner of kinship is worse than Coat of Arms post wrath. But if I know you're playing a Kindred deck, and you have a Coat of Arms on the field, I'm still killing you. You're presenting the same long term threat without any short term muscle to protect yourself

[@tahoth5866]

Yeah, his argument falls flat there, ESPECIALLY given how he says he builds his deck with all these cards to flood with other type 1/1s. The entire board got wiped, you are no less a threat than any other player, and you were the one who made the board GET wiped so everyone that had a couple creatures is mad at you. Then on top of that, am I gonna risk you ripping a "Forth Eorrlingas!" with coat on board and killing the whole table? Nah. And coat is pumping everyone that swings back into you.

[@michaelcollins4534]

I like how a demon that needs to tap is too many hoops, but reanimate all two drops is not

[@andrewtaylor5883]

Black Sun's Zenith is a forgotten about board wipe that continues to get more support in recent sets [see: Massacre Girl, Known Killer]

[@arghanothername]

Tomer’s intro cracked me up

[@Stefanish]

Group chats about something Discussion wraps up, and there's a brief moment of silence Richard throws in a controversial comment Chaos ensues

[@peewee0224]

This is why I’m saying it’s 100% all fake. He’s just rage baiting to farm engagement in the comments. Look at his video on the marvel secret lairs. He is a really smart person with a great understanding of economics. But his magic takes are so horrendous they have to be bait.

[@regnarissad]

I love how the first card is a sorcery and yet they still must say it dies to farewell lol

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

It does, after it's been used and is in a graveyard. Which does actually matter in commander. But even ignoring that, what they said still applies, you draw it after a Farewell, and it's pointless.

[@regnarissad]

@casteanpreswyn7528 Well, yeah, obviously, it is affected by farewell. I just find it funny how they literally say that about every card and how they even got to say it about a non-permanent

[@hauntedmoose411]

That's WOTC's fault for printing a sorcery draw that folds to a board wipe, most don't do that

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

@@regnarissad literally every card ever printed(except the like 3 that say you can play them from exile) does. So if the card isn't one of the 3, is it not important to bring up as a possibility? Or does your playgroup intentionally not play the best boardwipe by the third worst mtg artist?

[@p45yourfired3]

So my prerelease went awfully but i ended up with 25 copies of hare apparent when all was said and done....new baylen deck on the way, impact tremors and thrumming stone. Plus raise the past because it brings them all back

[@Oxymaugnus]

I get the feeling that Richard sometimes forgets that Commander is a casual format and its okay to have fun.

[@MrMartinSchou]

I can't believe Tomer finally came out on the show!

[@Issblodh]

Yes! And it came totaly out of left field.

[@cassie7611]

Aaah, was I actually the top? That’s crazy! That makes me so happy 😭🩷 I was the person who called you all my equivalent of One Direction back in middle school, haha

[@midnalight6419]

The stupid 4 mana angel that's ajani's pridemate and draws 4 cards a turn cycle is insane

[@Tyfont]

I have an Elas il-Kor list that runs Lurrus as a Companion. Its just self mill and sacrificing. Raise the Past will literally reanimate every creature in my graveyard

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

The worst part about Lurrus is that it doesn't conform to its own requirement, like every other companion theoretically does. And that's while I'll never respect a Lurrus player.

[@tylermasek1213]

Lunar insight is gonna be great in Marina Rooms. All those room cmc’s

[@savinobalducci6148]

a partially unlocked room count as full CMC or only the one that has been unlocked?

[@spiritdoesart]

@@savinobalducci6148 Rooms have the total CMC of all their unlocked rooms while on the battlefield. So yeah, it's really easy to get CMCs 6-8 for insight with Marina

[@thechikage1091]

​@@savinobalducci6148 A room while on the battlefield and while on the stack has the mana value of all unlocked doors. If it is anywhere else (hand, library, graveyard, exile, etc) it is the added mana value of both halves

[@ronjohnson6394]

@@savinobalducci6148 I wanna say that they are always the full CMC while on board. Not totally sure

[@Cheerwine091]

@@ronjohnson6394iirc they’re actually only the cmc of the unlocked portions. Rooms are weird though so I could be wrong

[@commanderpower99]

46:12 ofc Richard now mentions Isengard Unleashed after poopoo'ing it in a previous episode. The reason: "having flashback gets you killed because people see it in your yard"

[@malikileefred6011]

The only problem with Evereth is that her sac ability is at sorcery speed, so you can’t do it on you opponent’s turn, and it’s actually possible for your opponents to respond on the stack with spot removal. Doesn’t make it bad but it does make it less resilient than outlets like yawgmoth or payoffs like elenda.

[@jonathanrichman2330]

Abyssal Harvester seems promising for the mono black demons deck. If the number of demons hits a critical mass, then demonic counsel is playable.

[@andrewtaylor5883]

To Crim's point on Loot: Any deck running Green and Blue [with other colors maybe] can use Loot as another Kinnan to find a dude and then with an Intruder Alarm trigger can dig even deeper! *I firmly believe that Intruder Alarm is coming back as a solid wincon that most players ignore

[@JulioDRai]

Yeah the new Loot is Azusa meets Kinnan which is pretty busted, its also amazing in the 99 since its very easy to tutor for green creatures.

[@tygiffin8131]

I think Blasphemous Edict is better than Deluge in most situations. At least in my opinion. Also I can’t remember the last time I played a game where something had indestructible.

[@retrofuturistJL]

If they don’t HAVE it, they can definitely give it. It’s still somewhat relevant with a potential upside of wiping the board for 1 and being able to rebuild first

[@Medicinalmagic911]

11:27 coffin queen 🎉🎉❤

[@ManrielXiii]

57:57 add these with land untaping effects. Shadow of the second sun recently came out and comes to mind. Seems pretty fun and not UB.

[@lordofdisford8272]

I had a Juri deck that did everything Evereth wants to do. I can't believe they put it all on one card.

[@jackalvonstone250]

Alright, that last segment on Loot convinced me of something that's been on my mind the past few days. As a Commander Clash Connoisseur, the best possible opening hand in Commander has to be a Burgeoning, Forest, Snow-Covered Forest, Open the Way, Field of the Dead, and two other lands. Is it possible to go even higher?

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

That is nowhere near the best possible opening hand for a commander game. The best opening hand is a hand that let's you play Tainted Aether on turn one, while going first.

[@colemosley1611]

40:14 make them have the removal. How much removal are Seth and Richard running? Chances of them drawing into anything is maybe 3 out of 100.

[@akihitokoizumi2474]

Richard mention in an earlier podcast that he would never run more than one counterspell because he hates the chance of having 2 in his hand.

[@MediumChungus223]

You'd think Richard would have played enough 1v1 to know that you have to play into the removal.

[@AlexiRotman]

whats fun about evereth and pitiless plunderer is that the jumpstart booster she comes in comes *with* pitiless plunderer. you can genuinely put most of the cards you puyll with her in her own deck

[@imaginarymatter]

Dionus isn't a waifu. He's a bishonen husbando.

[@Psychotic6]

Blasphemous Edict will make Tergrid even more frightening :D

[@brandonchristner1520]

I feel like “this is good in aristocrats” is the commander version of “this is good in soul sisters” for the crew

[@Welstra]

Raise the past is nutty in Lurrus companion decks : D

[@Darkscotty76]

For Crim, Neerdiv with mindskinner. It taps when it attacks and if it gets through it's so much mill!

[@Ransom2fly]

Dionus, Elvish Archdruid is a pseudo-combo WITH Lathril. Your first Lathril activation (if you're playing her for the activated ability) gives you a second one for free each turn.

[@robertterrell7057]

1:04:25 I agree with Richard. i specifically think deck archetypes should have weakness. Loot is getting around landfall in a unfun way imo.

[@JonaxII]

Still leveraging the power of flash by quoting Richard's win on Seth's end step, which included activating Karn on said end step.

[@TumbleDwyer]

I have a Bjorna/Wernog/Lurrus deck and Raise the Past is the absolutely perfect addition.

[@mandielyn0416]

Richard never ceases to amaze with his absolutely terrible analysis. Listening to him defend his stance is like arguing with a toddler. “No Richard, you can’t eat a popsicle before dinner, it will ruin your appetite.” Richard; “but mom! If a bear attacks you, and you play dead, the bear will leave you alone!”

[@imaginarymatter]

Richard has the highest win percentage on Commander clash. That toddler is beating you in a game.

[@benjamingerry1752]

Scrawling Crawler is not howling mine. It gives the card at the beggining of YOUR upkeep, so they dont get the card unless it makes it vack around to you.

[@JonasPrieto20]

This really is like an average sports show, random reasons just for the sake of disagreement.

[@mkosler]

The guys are always worried about not representing power, but take out combos from their decks because they don't want to win out of nowhere. Make it make sense.

[@lVideoWatcherl]

There is a middle ground between winning from a position of literally no on-board permanents and playing all of your pieces out immediately no matter what.

[@mkosler]

​@@lVideoWatcherl They are wanting to win from a position of no permanents. Listen to their discussion on the flash faerie. They compare it favorably against Leyline of Anticipation precisely because they don't have to show that they have the ability to win out of nowhere. Remove the obvious A+B combos from the discussion tell me how different the two strategies are.

[@Avacynangelofhope]

Someone just scooped at instant speed with 5 life after I played Lunar Insight. Thanks for the pick.

[@Captainmaximus87]

Dionus, Elvish Archdruid is going in my Parley deck for Selvala heart explorer

[@TheSpunYarn]

I will say that in decks that draw a lot of cards very easily and landfall decks are both served very well by Azusa effects. I like them more than traditional ramp-tutor spells.

[@fredt1983]

Mossborn Hydra is beyond insane in limited/standard, but Commander, hard to tell. Think it's like any other land/artifact deck that will always be broken because of the other 99 cards though.

[@KadeoOConnell-tk3qj]

Crim says yes yes to "you can play an additional land each turn." As if he ever has multiple lands.

[@DevoidGoat]

Banner of Kinship is definitely going in my Kumena merfolk deck. It's perfect there because I make tokens and can proliferate. 🎉❤

[@Spencer4686]

Interesting consideration for the banner of kinship but you're forgetting you just bring back your weenies with raise the past. Unless they cast farewell I guess😅

[@sladevalen]

I havent played magic in about 4 years, but after drafting a box of bloomburrow last week im now excited for foundation! Im going to try mtg arena when foundation drops and hopefully have a blast!

[@RibusPQR]

Herald of Eternal Dawn is basically "platinum angel with flash" and comes in fracture foil.

[@WizardLogic]

Wizards is going to make a new mechanic called like "Planebound" and it's rules text will say: "This permanent cannot be exiled" and it could be a really pushed creature, and Richard would still say it's unplayable because instead of dying to Farewell, it now dies to Toxic Deluge, Wrath of God etc.

[@ghoulofmetal]

Abyssal harvester with intruder alarm and a free sacrifice outlet exiles everything with alot of upside.

[@AlanC-xj5nx]

Im a bit sad no one mentioned shroofus or gornog, those seem like such fun commanders, But I do realize they are talking more about cards for the 99

[@Target008]

I think the howling mind effect on scrawling crawler is helpful and people will take way more damage because they want the cards and they wont kill it.

[@vaporeon344]

The main sticking point for banner of kinship over coat of arms to me is that, if you are playing the card properly, you should ONLY play it when you’re about to win the game. If you get stopped and your board gets wrathed, your opponents will 100% kill you if you have either artifact on the board. If COA is your best overrun, then Banner is your second best, and vice versa. Banner is probably solely better due to fog meta lmao. There’s no reason to run one without the other.

[@inzombiac345]

27:05 Raise the Past + Cathars' crusade and a bunch of X creatures. return all the hydras etc. and they all grow big on enter, with haste can just win OTK :)

[@bodaciouschad]

Dionus has synergies with conjurer's closet, roaming throne, hardened scales, doubling season, proliferate, the ozolith and ozolith mkII- he is an elfball mana doubler and lord 2 in 1. I suspect he will make pEDH elfes a force to be reckoned with... and may receive the Erenis "kill on sight with prejudice" treatment.

[@erysecret]

I cracked up at Tomer's reaction to Boompile LOL

[@zweis]

35:38 I'm surprised Tomer missed the fact Dionus lets you hold up mana for removal spells thanks to the untap

[@Alessandro-mg9oh]

Seth and tomer reactions at richard saying boompile 😂 17:05

[@TheDylls]

How many creatures with mana value 2 or less do you need to make Raise the Past worth it? I play a pretty aggressive Edric Markov deck with mainly 1 and 2 drops

[@leonfriedemann9151]

I think abyssal harvester is fun ... It can do powerful things like instant speed gravehate and reanimate think chainer decks .. It makes tokens of stuff that you can copy with hazel ... And you can put it under soul cauldron or hazels brewmaster ... I am pretty excited for it 😅 mostly for chainer cast it by discarding some valgavoth and with haste from chainer get the valgavoth 😊

[@techpriest8965]

53:05 Seth is us trying to wrap our heads around Richard logic.

[@CyberNewType]

Well that didn’t take long. I’ve started playing a game when it comes to the Goldfish crew, see how long into any given video it takes for someone to mention Farewell or Sunfall. The amount of free real estate these two card occupy in your collective minds is fascinating! lol

[@Urathamax]

Okay, Abyssal Harvester, Conspiracy, an untapper and an edict 🤔

[@thebigbear4696]

I'm the type of Blue Mage that plays Leyline of Anticipation in every blue deck and Vedalken Orrery in a lot of decks. High Fae Trickster is Leyline with flash and Flying on a 4/2...Yeah I'm playing that.

[@sonnymoreno5083]

Abyssal Harvester does say die, so mass mill should also work well with it

[@Slippils]

Loot is actually much more like Golos than Azusa. First ability which ramps, second ability which spends mana to look at the top few cards and get one for free. Obviously Loot restricts you to mono green, but that's increasingly not a downside.

[@jcstaff1007]

Neerdiv goes straight into my Oskar Rubbish Reclaimer deck. All my spells are cast from my grave. So it’s 3 mana draw a card whenever you cast a spell.

[@ArtemisiaFlenaugh]

Thanks for the analysis! Just a quick off-topic question: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). What's the best way to send them to Binance?

[@imaginarymatter]

No Helpful Hunter after all the Spirited Companion glazing?

[@DieJG]

Crim watching High Fae Trickster: THIS FAERIE, IT WAS MADE FOR ME!

[@Ceriva09]

i think the crawler concept is a nice one but i agree it should be a bit more powerful. But i think they didnt because it is an upkeep trigger and we got a couple of effects that give you extra upkeeps so i guess tho avoid making it "too good" they had to limit the potential. I definitly put Twinflame Dragon into my Sarkhan Commander deck, quadrupling every dmg in the turn it entered sounds like a flying red scaly nightmare

[@sevenangerywasps6103]

We need a "Richard's Guide to Building Mono White" episode!

[@emtee2925]

Neerdiv is super good in the 99 for Oskar Rubbish Reclaimer! I honestly thonk as a commander she's a bit janky (probably a combo deck..) but she is good in the 99 of many graveyard decks

[@Worgalphihndor]

5 flesh bags... Three all that are identical to each other in stats and cost, plaguecrafter which is the strictest upgrade, and the new one from MH3

[@MrGrovak]

High fae trickster seems really good. Potentially cEDH good. Neerdiv too can help you dig for interaction if you're doing a breach combo and someone is waiting to interact at a specific time. Blasphemous Edict, yea 2nd best boardwipe, but in Meren probably number over toxic deluge IMO. Scrawling crawler has already made it into some games in a Valgavoth deck and its punisher effect far outweighed the downside of giving away cards. Alongside other punisher effects its quite good. I also think Abbysal Harvester is far better than it was given credit. Its not just a reanimate effect, its graveyard hate first and foremost IMO. I dont think this is for aristocrats as much as you guys think either. It snipes problem permanents in opponents graveyards and can be used politically prior to a boardwipe to ensure something wont come back if that wrath is not exile based.

[@ReyaadawnMTG]

I was blown away to see that Day of Judgment wasn't on Arena yet.

[@PsychoDiesel48]

Gotta love Tomer's Waifu selection

[@winkiepuffs]

44:41 creating a second copy of Twinflame Tyrant would not work as an additional damage doubler since the ability is a replacement effect rather than a trigger (?)

[@scaredycat3146]

Almost all damage amplifiers are replacement effects. But that only means the affected player gets to choose the order they apply to them. (which is why you usually don't want to mix additive with multiplicative effects)

[@nolifeSnorlax]

Mutilate & Black Suns are amazing wraths in MonoB as well :)

[@SaltyProductionsHD]

Was there a new editor for this episode? The card transitions went away and the timings seemed a little off.

[@Ravarix]

Talked about High Fae Trickster the whole time without mentioning cEDH staple Valley Floodcaller :O

[@jimmybee9209]

Abyssal harvester is instantly going in two decks. The wise mothman Belakor the dark master. 😊

[@eec426]

Neerdiv seems cool with retrace (oona’s grace, flame jab)

[@kermitdafrog444]

Raise from the past 30+ hare apparents

[@hernandovargas9545]

When you talked about Dionus and didn't mention Lathril. Bro that card is insane in Lathril !!

[@florianvandermoolen4853]

I hope you will do a commander challenge with the Foundation Starter collection. Only make a commander deck from the Foundation starter collection.

[@RoachDoggggJR]

Seems like the world forgot about Fiendish Duo when Twinflame Tyrant came out

[@daneburke6592]

I think storm of souls is underrated and much better than raise the past in the average creature deck. It returns all creatures from your graveyard except they’re 1/1 flying spirits in addition to their other types for 6 mana in white. Sure, they’re 1/1s but most creatures you play in your decks are there for their text, not their stats and being flyers is very relevant for attack and combat damage triggers