Top Five STRONGEST Hunters in Solo Leveling!

[@skilletamy]

My biggest gripe with Solo Leveling, is that after a certain point, everyone is damn near useless

[@boredSoloDev]

that's pretty much most good anime which big casts and a crazy power scaling system. There is always like.. a small handful of people who are so crazy strong it makes everyone else useless.

[@user-xw4mu6nz4t]

Boruto right now is just that. Fire Force is just that. Many mainstream anime is just that. Weak MC becomes so strong that everyone else is beyond weak.

[@crowing3886]

​@user-xw4mu6nz4t That's exactly why they aren't good anime lol. The issue is powercreeping every damn episode to only one person is boring writing. Which is why solo leveling has no real story. After saving his mom the story is over. An it's just new threat or gate only jin can defeat. All it has is the fights an everyone they hyped does or loses lol

[@churrolini3084]

Like every anime out there

[@lanlingwang8489]

@@user-xw4mu6nz4t Nahhh, Fireforce utilized the side characters better than the Boruto and SL lol. Aside from Shinra and the Evangelist, Arthur can literally sliced a moon and Benimaru is actually a planet buster.

[@fallenprimordial]

1 sung Jin woo 2 sung Jin woo dad 3 Thomas Andrew

[@senseijameslove]

1.Jin Woo’s Son 2. Jin Woo 3. Jin Woo’s Dad

[@fallenprimordial]

Jin woo son isn't a hunter since he's from the timeline where hunters never existed

[@Bouquites]

@@senseijameslovemoreover sung Jin woo is way stronger than his son

[@kuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu]

@@senseijameslove nah in the sequel Liu and thomas are still stronger then Suho(jin woo son) 1. Jin woo 2. jin woo dad 3. thomas 4. liu 5. Siddharth/suho since they are about to fight

[@LimitlessGodYT]

Fun fact: jinwoo may have beaten hwang dongsoo within an inch of his life but hwang actually died due to fall damage. Thomas Andre pulled up on jinwoo then jin proceeds to yeet hwang to the stratosphere....where he falls to his death💀

[@whateverrowsyourboat595]

@LimitlessGodYT jinwoo beat the breaks off hwang but his father beat the clothes off hwang in the original manhwa 😂😂😂

[@shadowxslayer5663]

@@whateverrowsyourboat595they both beat the shit outta hwang dong su jinwoos father does it first but jinwoo does it right before he becomes a national rank hunter and he kills dong su and then fights Tomas Andre

[@Dragon_ball_teen]

Ik I read all of the manga

[@JusLovett]

It’s wild how many ppl were still sleeping on Solo Leveling right up until it’s anime finally dropped

[@IAmBrandonH]

I gave it it's first chance last night. Got through all the crunchyroll episodes and am now wondering if I should switch to the Manga

[@lasagna6090]

@@IAmBrandonH I would suggest that you do. Idk if you've read other manga/manhwa before but SL is what got me, personally, into reading media. Art is fantastic and the fights are amazing to see, even in still images

[@marlom7882]

People don’t like to read

[@user-xw4mu6nz4t]

1. People don't read 2. No... everyone (who reads) was reading solo levelling, it's so popular it's actually comparable to the Japanese Manga on the leaderboard, Chinese and Korean manga (manhwa/manhua, it doesn't matter) aren't even close to being as popular as the Japanese

[@JusLovett]

If you really liked it so far then Id say yeah go for it@@IAmBrandonH Thats what I did with JJK. Watched the 1st season and just had to keep going & Im glad I did. SL isnt super long either so it wont take forever to do so.

[@Keith_Norman]

Listen I'm a simple man and I don't ask for much but I desperately need who punchy the hardest as a t-shirt or merch of some kind

[@KyoAkashi]

Seconded! 🎉

[@Keith_Norman]

@@KyoAkashi too iconic and too funny at this point

[@animeash4050]

At least one who-punchy-the-hardest t-shirt for each shonen anime. And maybe later, one for the top ten in all of anime.

[@siphi-yu4vi]

Me toooooo 😂

[@Adam-sm5xr]

Yah, I'd probably buy that shirt too lol

[@vekazu_is_great_guy]

You did daddy sung dirty

[@harryschwartz5957]

hes technically not a hunter anymore

[@MrEueu89]

@@harryschwartz5957 Neither is Cristopher Reid cuz he's dead

[@harryschwartz5957]

@@MrEueu89 nah he’s alive in the new timeline

[@joanjorge566]

Imma need the source for that 31 S rank hunters. Since Japan had like 12 in one guild and South Korea has 7 so that’s 19, there’s no way the rest of the world combined has only 12 more S rank hunters. Edit: never mind you said that we know of, that means named S rank hunters only. That makes more sense.

[@spartan1347981]

There's most likely around 100-200 in the world total

[@spartan1347981]

In fact, I just did a quick maths check, Korea has a population of 50Mil, they've produced roughly 10 S rank hunters we know about. (Which means Japan should have about 25 with a population of 125mil). If the world population at the time of writing was a conservative 7.5 Billion, then there should be a worldwide population of S rank hunters of about 1,500. Though this could be skewed since for some reason in universe Korea is a place of high incidence of gates and stuff I believe was mentioned. So even if only half that average incidence rate of S rank hunters per population means 750 S rank hunters in the world at a conservative estimate. So averaging between the two, 1000 S rank hunters in the world or there about depending on death rates seems reasonable, especially incorporating how Khamish the dragon took out 100's of S ranks after the dungeon break on the west coast of America and how many S rank hunters would've been lost to the first gates spawned in the world (like how Jinwoo's dad was) as well means that 1000 could be a solid number. Meaning an S rank hunter is part of 0.00002% of the population, or 1 in every 50,000 people.

[@LilBeaniebby]

Theres way more than 31 S-ranks.. if you take the novel alone its stated Japan had >20 S-rank hunters iirc and there were more than 20 in the top of the world excluding the 5 National-rank hunters, SKorea barely had a spot in the top of the world. They even mention in the Novel NKorea has S-rank hunters and is why SKorea really wants more and China has a special division of S-rank hunter hunters. Now if he’s going off of NAMED s-rank hunters then yeah the list is very small. But, this power ranking doesn’t mean anything really by the last book because there are no hunters and a single monarch can wipe all the National ranks and S-ranks as if playing with toys.

[@spartan1347981]

@@LilBeaniebby china probably has about 282ish S rank hunters yeah

[@506Edai]

​@@spartan1347981 282? But we didn't see them during the big fight ? Where did you get that from ? 😅 There aren't many s rank hunters, I was thinking around 100-200 😂

[@printornkordumrong9926]

Hello. This may be a hot take but I personally have found solo levelling's story to be lacklustre. I was really excited to read a story where the main character started as the weakest and you see their journey to become stronger- i even bought the manwa to read- but I feel that jinwoo's character arc after he is given power over the system to be too smooth as he has the overpowered hero trope but without something to make him interesting from a narrative point of view other than the vague and undemonstrated idea that he was slowly losing his humanity. Saitama and hibino kafka for example are interesting overpowered characters because they struggle with moral dilemmas, saitama struggling with the monotony of being too strong and the emptiness of achieving ones goals while kafka needs to be stronger as a human and not just as a kaiju, but sung only goes from strength to strength without any real struggle, especially after he gets his arise powers. It was after his fight with igris then the dark elves that i started to notice the fact that sung when confronted with a stronger enemy would either just stab them in the eye or just punched them real hard which personally feels very narratively unsatisfying because its just kind of boring and repetitive. Although a manwa having clever ways of resolving the contflict isnt always necessary, the fact that the premise of the story is sung working hard and strategically to level up means that you would at least expect there to be more emphasis on clever strategy or at least emphasis on how his drive to win in an arguably dishonorable way makes him morally questionnable. But the story makes no effort to cast this moral dilemma on sung as everyone he meets is just impressed by him or fancies him which is very main isekai character typical, which i honestly expected more from. I think it wouldve gone done easier for me if sung has any demonstrable character traits of interest, but i personally cant find any except for wants to protect family in a generic way and is edgy now. I actually preferred him as his old happy go lucky struggling self but who he is now is super generic and if its to show that killing and doing what he does killed his innocence I am unsatisfied with how it is presented. Anyway thats a long post but ive been holding this in for a while now 😅 I of course dont have anything against people who do enjoy solo levelling and I do really think the artwork of the manwa is fantastic and the arise powers is extremely interesting- but the plot and character of jung just doesnt captivate me. I enjoy hearing your takes on things so in the unlikely event that you see this id love to hear what you think.

[@cdleachxiii]

You went 5, 3, no number, 2, lol

[@membbal901]

Number two was andre but who is 4???

[@JustSomeGuy2112]

its because in the main manhwa it only mentions 4 of the 5 are mentions then in ragnarok they mention the 5th was a healer and that is it as far as i remember

[@lorenzogironi7593]

Ruler's authority is actually a bit more complicated, it's in fact the ability to control the flow of energy and mana, telekinesis is only its base skill at low level. At higher level it allows the user to reshape mana into any object or phenomenon like magic that they want as long as they can visualize it .

[@Mr.WestcottX]

Oh okay. So more complicated the higher they go.

[@harryschwartz5957]

Quick Note: the Giants that game out of the gate are just the monsters that the Monarch of The Beginning/ King of the Giants Legia. The Giants that are stated to actually be stronger then the rulers and monarchs are seen in the side quest on the Manwha after Jin Woo came back to Earth when we was done killing all of the monarchs in their realm once the cup of time restarted everything for the last time.

[@YouTubeStoriez]

what chapter was it stated in again?

[@harryschwartz5957]

@@KZbinStoriez light novel

[@YouTubeStoriez]

@@harryschwartz5957 alr ive read the manhwa yk a good site for the light novel

[@fostinst4716]

Only thing is its stated they were equal to the monarchs and they armies, not stronger

[@harryschwartz5957]

@@fostinst4716 before the Rulers and the Monarchs came into reality the Absolute Being created the unique race of Giants. Yes equal to them and their armies meaning all of them together are equal to the Giants. Same goes with the Rulers none of them alone can compare to the Giants it’s them And their armies that make up the power

[@cameronrichards1527]

Love the videos keep it up they make my work days so much easier

[@HH-gw3vj]

I put a wallahi on that My friend

[@Mortarion-xt9wp]

Minor spoilers I guess... About Sungs Wyvern. Did you notice that he tends to give his shadows strange names? I mean Iron, Greed, Tank, Tusk etc. are definitely no Korean names. (Igris isn't a Korean one as well) What confuses me is the name "Kaisel". It is not a name in any language to my knowledge. Basically I am saying that his name is Kaiser. The r and l problem of Asia is known and it would match Sung Jin Woos naming convention.

[@venrisulven]

Thomas's guild member went after jinwoo's friend and not his sister. Only reason they're still alive.

[@Nameorsomething.]

My goat made the thumbnail 🗣️

[@mac_e11even2]

Thomas Andre fans like the comment

[@GHOULSPBS]

Fuck yea 🔥🔥🔥

[@seancollins6572]

Video starts at 6:13

[@DaegraBlack0]

Strongest Hunters at the Beginning of the series *Just the strongest hunter, not a Nation Rank* 1. Il-hwan (Missing) ------------------------------------------------- (Nation) 2. Christopher ( interchangeable with Andre in the LN they have it as listed, but in the webtoon they have Andre ranked before Chris and Chris was 3rd with Liu behind Andre) 3. Andre 4. Liu 5.*Not a Nation however* Go Gun Hee (Old, but in his Prime was one of the Strongest) 6. Siddarth. 7. Jonas (lol never was physically introduced but was confirmed as the 6th strongest hunter, not including il-hwan.)

[@spartan1347981]

Jonas was also a ruler vessel iirc

[@DaegraBlack0]

@@spartan1347981 Yeah he was the 5th Nation Rank

[@jeanbob1481]

Was Jonas the water guy that got offscreened and never introduced

[@spartan1347981]

@@jeanbob1481 yeah I think so, the one from Brazil

[@namo2403]

both jonas and siddarth did not "appear" in neither the webtoon nor the novel it was only briefly stated that siddarth was the guild leader of asura guild (i think it was ragnarok 177 and i don't remember where in the novel) while jonas got offscreen'd by the monarch just before the international conference and there was a panel with go gun hee's death on a tv announcement so technically if we only count people who we saw fight at least once in the webtoon, it'll probably be something like il hwan, thomas andre(ranked 1st in the world), liu zhi gang(2nd), christopher reed(3rd) , old gun hee , lennart niermann(12th in the world) , cha haein (excluding sjw obv)

[@thatguy44148]

Getting jumped by 3 gods is still crazy doesn't matter if they went all out

[@Im_Jakon]

Haven’t watched the video yet, but I’m predicting this list to just be Sung + the fragments of brilliant light.

[@Ripar_here]

I support this without watching

[@MegaSaint55]

You forgot to throw All Might in there

[@StarFoxLazer]

Can’t forget Saitama

[@LagerLager05]

What about go… go… Goten

[@rudymarroquin397]

😂😂😂😂

[@opium42069]

The Predator?

[@kristopherwillis8075]

​​@@StarFoxLazerNice Profile Picture 🔥

[@TrashBassin]

6:13 is when the actual video starts.... 7:56 is when the actual ranking starts.. Come on man do better.

[@AlxndrXX]

Gotta pad that time!! Gotta get that advertising money!!

[@greenskull9455]

*Thank You Good Sir*

[@james-bx4wr]

Godsend

[@golcy2042]

Appreciate that! Sucks because I love this guys video ideas and the content is great.. but man he is the final boss of opportunist KZbinrs. Almost every title is as clickbait as possible, his intros are 5 minutes long, and he has minute+ long sponsors in most videos 😭

[@apowers7969]

Thank you 🙏

[@thatguywiththeheadphones6734]

What about Jin woos dad? He was able to hold his own against several monarchs, though I guess he technically wasn't a hunter

[@thedancingsousa]

Honestly, I always imagine jinwoo with the same voice actor as Ichigo and Lelouch. His voice really captures the evil hero angle so well

[@Hutch-Hutch-]

Never heard of solo leveling until someone at work put me on it, THIS IS 🔥

[@Mr.WestcottX]

For real.

[@Minijibbleflab]

Loving solo leveling sm, would you be able to do a video on powerscaling tsukimichi moonlit fantasy? It is another of my favs

[@storysmith5626]

I find it funny that for most of the series we only see Thomas in an Hawaiian shirt but immediately after he lost to Jin woo this man put on a suit

[@wizzykhalifa3552]

The list starts at 8:00 Love you do but the video taking 8 minutes to get to the point is diabolical 😂

[@alexanderchua]

Start at 8:00

[@dmomn9647]

Hol up, aren’t all nation level hunters fragment vessels? Also, Baek Yoon Ho’s transformation isn’t due to a spiritual body manifestation, that’s just his power.

[@GHOULSPBS]

Just finished reading last night. So glad you recommended it. Heavy HxH vibes throughout the story and I love it

[@bryant8307]

HxH vibes? how so?

[@RobertSmith-tu7rl]

@@bryant8307 Tay they all have diffrent powers in my opinion

[@adriangreene908398]

I’m so glad it’s finished I hope it drops seasons twice a year.

[@Boziina]

I’m so glad I ran into this channel

[@wesleysmith8687]

I cant wait for ORV to come to anime. The videos you will make for it will be spectacular

[@craigchilman3649]

Do fragment vessels count, considering it is not the hunters power but borrowed power

[@SovannT92]

the rulers

[@choolwe5564]

The fact that Christopher reed was attacked by 3 monarchs at once still has me thinking cause he was the only one that got attacked by so many well excluding jinwoo

[@Reproviss]

first off, love your content dude. Second, have you ever heard of CLAYMORE? I would love to see you nerd tf out. lol

[@Lord_Cane]

BTW Jinwoo's English Voice actor is Aleks Le the Voice Actor of Anos Zenitsu Mikey and more He has a YT channel it's his name Aleks le

[@beaugeta7289]

Saying the sun is better than the sub overlooks the Japanese voice actor for the main character screaming so hard in episode 4 he actually started coughing up blood

[@WR1GHT3R]

Yo!!!! can you do a quick Vid talking about your Tattoos?! Would like to get story behind the ink!!!

[@1rotzy]

Nick's editor is gonna kill him when the S-Ranked video comes out.

[@Mr.WestcottX]

For real. 😅

[@Daniel-c4i1s]

I see this was recorded the same day as the podcast 😂

[@HardxCorpsxKali]

Idk dude the dub for sds was so good. I loved it. I don’t usually like it because I find it cringy but I may have to check this one out in dub too. 😂

[@cairo1877]

day 12# of asking nick to write his own manga / web novel

[@PokrBlnd]

My personal rankings 1. Jinwoo(duh) 2. Sung il hwan(fought against two monarch simultaneously without using spirit body manifestation) 3. Thomas Andre 4. Liu zhigang 5. Christopher reed

[@lilmike23003]

Not knowing why the system picked sung nd you watched the first couple episodes is crazy

[@POS_Hail]

Mad respect for promoting your girlfriends stuff before the sponsor ad!! Caught that and had to say something

[@zlEli]

You should do a how strong is Jin Mori video

[@abelingaw5070]

Once the story was about his kid leveling up, I gave up reading the source. Him and blonde girl having a happy family was a good ending already.

[@hanzoalonzo1025]

Keep up the good work

[@yolandaholleycarwell687]

I have a idea you probably heard before do a list of the best anime of the year

[@prometheus4257]

You ever think about excluding protagonists from these kind of videos? That way, you can fully define the other characters in a vacuum and create suspense for the plot of the series. If you land it, you build hype in the show, which reflects back on you as interest in related, future videos. Just don't go all clickbaity about it; the magic is in the subtlety. You've got a good channel, but you could be great.

[@Itz-DocAJ]

Yo WC LOVE UR VIDEOS keep doing what ur doing. Can you do a ranking and explaining all of jinn woo shadow generals, just the high ranking ones,

[@RelaxItsNotThatDeep]

Can you do a god of highschool one 👀

[@Mortarion-xt9wp]

I second that

[@dannytarver4533]

I can get with that

[@raihanattouremustapha4467]

Liu Zhigang was hyped up a lot,and we didn't even get to see any of his fights

[@Mr.WestcottX]

For real, the strongest being from China 🇨🇳

[@relaxingmusicvideos3828]

Yess nick more solo leveling videozz

[@mael_neves]

Bro out here dressed like sokka😂🔥

[@Sina-aka-potatosupreme]

I am so glad that the anime is going great and that we probably get more seasons. And with that more of my sweet baby Thomas Andre. I can't wait.

[@KushbiZ]

Jin became so OP at the end.....

[@notyourdad9548]

I mean technically he was weak because of the ending....lol

[@FeedMeSalt]

At the end? By chapter 50 he was nearly never if ever in danger. And by chapter 100% almost no one he loved was in any danger anymore as well given his gobal teleportation. I'd say he became op the second he beat best boy Igris.

[@dvillegaspro]

@@FeedMeSalt Beru is best boy and don’t you dare say otherwise

[@Godspeed7352]

@@dvillegasproigris is the og tho

[@notyourdad9548]

@@FeedMeSalt yes the end when it all resets

[@Shadowcraig]

Can you please do a video of jin woos strongest shadows

[@ΚρανίΩ]

aleks le the absolute goat of voice acting 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐

[@elCONQUEROR81]

I always wondered if all would of stayed the power they would have reached is crazy

[@jordandavis9184]

6:20 minutes and u haven’t started the video yet 😂😂

[@shakurwalker2312]

I'd be interested in hearing your take on jjks art. Is it getting worse? Or is it evolving into something better

[@tylerfloyd1822]

Chirstopher reed was also a mage type hunter and they jumped his ass so that he couldnt fight back with his given abilities, not well, anyway.

[@yashrai7913]

Video stars from 6:14

[@reecewhite5900]

That lil epilogue with his son was cool, I just want more solo leveling… the anime’s not doing it for me since I’ve read the whole thing the fights I wanna see are so far away 😩😮‍💨

[@guidegenius6003]

Are we just considering Hunters that the current Anime Release includes or the Manhwa? My interpretation of “Hunter Points” wasn’t that it’s a Power Rating System but rather a contribution to society ranking system. The more assignments you take on the higher your Ranking and so fourth. Are are we including “The Disaster Class Hero”? Cause that would make things much more interesting even though it’s not entirely the same story…?

[@ericjerman757]

1:24 Yeah because there are no themes or character development one could argue that there’s not even a plot, just punches and then boom and fwoosh and Look at me I’m so cool and better than anyone else.

[@johnnypollack3243]

Keep up the great work and videos Nick love the video

[@Razredge]

I don't know about US dubs at all. But here in Brazil our voice actors are quite respected, brazilian dubs are overall very good on par with the original VAs!

[@banki2234]

There are 30+ s ranks we meet/ are made aware of (us has 26) it is also stated that while the United States has the most s ranks there are other countries with many other s ranks that can be used. Though 7 national hunters are directly connected to the rulers

[@Shadowcraig]

Can we have a ranking of Jin woos shadows

[@broly1024]

What about sung jin woos dad? Because like he held off 2 full power monarchs (i think) long enough for sung jin woo to get through the 2 chapter ashborne yap session

[@506Edai]

Was it also rhat was using the president of korean the hunters association as a vessel, right ? The monarch called it a fragment of light, are those the same as the rulers ?

[@spartan1347981]

Yes. The Chairman of the Korean hunters association had the fragment of a ruler in him like the other national class heroes and sung Jin woo's dad. I think it's even implied his fragment was that of the impromptu leader/spokesman of all the rulers but I could be wrong about that.

[@kayodeottun386]

It could be that I’m remembering it wrong but I thought there were 4 vessels and with sidart it’s only jin woo who suspect the 4 vessels to be amongst the national lv hunters but later we see that the chairman was actually one of them and we never get full confirmation on sidart

[@NicholasJonesCPA]

So many sales and distractions before getting into the topic

[@shameerkhan8347]

Jinwoo's dad should be number 2 since he fought 2 monarchs and held his own

[@Nickfor20]

More solo leveling, more solo leveling, more solo leveling, more solo leveling

[@Mr.WestcottX]

For real. 🇰🇷🇰🇷🇰🇷🇰🇷🇰🇷🇰🇷

[@Lloyd00]

Liu wants no part of Beru. Although that'd probably be a dope fight

[@Mr.WestcottX]

For real.

[@Contsted_x]

I remember there also being a german guy with a ruler,was he not a national hunter, it's been 3 years since i finished solo leveling so i don't really remember

[@cameronbolden5064]

They are vessels for a fragment of a ruler. While drip woo is a vessel then a full ruler

[@therealgod9859]

When I read “National Level hunter” I lost my shit. I thought S ranks were supposed to be the strongest to ever do it.

[@ramonr.8328]

I need a video of all of your tattoos! if this video exist please add link lol

[@COD_DAEMON]

Where to download or watch?

[@Emperor_Nagrom]

Netero, Chairman of the Hunter Association

[@guccibreh9212]

Thomas Andre vs jin woo will break the internet

[@Mortarion-xt9wp]

Depends on the time. At a certain point Jin Woo becomes way to op.

[@joelsencion5244]

Where Would you place Sung Suho?

[@Weed_Dante]

Prime go gunhee probably would've solo'd all 5 national level hunters

[@Gager3030]

Can we get a top 10 shadows ranked and explained

[@zrain_shockwave5389]

You could talk about the monarchs and their power and the monsters they control

[@Mr.WestcottX]

For real. 😢 why not he did that

[@rodricus2319]

One note I think we can all agree that a black hole is greater than planetary level as black holes devour stars no?

[@thewendzday]

I've never been so dissatisfied over a manhwa/manga ending.

[@jameswashington9339]

Spoilers: there are way more than 31 S ranked hunters left. We never get an exact number of how many there but they are somewhere between 1 in a million and 1 in 5 million. We know Korea had 9 (10 if you count SJW but I would argue you shouldn’t) for 51 million people and Japan had around 30 for 121 million people. We know hundreds of them died in the Kamish raid so there are less than there used to be. If I’m not wrong 4 other S rank dungeons were cleared before JeJu Island. It would take north of 50 S ranks to clear an S rank if there is no national hunter. So I would guess that currently in the story there are between 1200 and 2500 world wide. However they have huge differences in power levels.

[@Sir_Git_He]

Bro was yapping for 8 until he got to the point

[@akuokami1677]

Everyone in the world Sung Jinwoo You I'm convinced just to be annoying call him Jinwoo Sung every chance you get 😂

[@theballadeer2017]

Sure these Hunters are strong but do they have an ability that has the properties of both rubber and gum?

[@JacksonJonez]

In kind of ashamed I haven’t heard anything about the dub lol so now I gotta check it out lol

[@Lloyd00]

S rank is the top, however the gap between 2 S ranks could be larger than a gap between an E and an A rank

[@beaugeta7289]

I hope they animate the Christopher reed fight just as a surprise