Top Gear Tesla Roadster Road Test

[@TarekChaabo]

Pov:ypu come from the latest elon musk podcast with joe rogan.

[@chewnz1127]

Yes.

[@evanmurray6509]

Yup

[@ismailblackrock93]

Lol 😂

[@mattahmann]

🙋‍♂️ Love Tesla. Top Gear is slimy.

[@StereoPixelMusic]

Yep 😊 I'm not gonna say I didn't love Top Gear or The grand tour but this is slimy.

[@arielhartung4557]

James May: "Battery powered cars will soon die althogether". Now, he owns a Model S 100D. :D

[@Sam-K]

And also a hydrogen powered car!

[@kermit56780]

indeed he said on top gear electric cars are going to die out altogether, but you know what at that exact moment when he said that i think he was just polishing clarksons nuts and or the producers #facepalm

[@davewsh8434]

@@Sam-K He predicted wrong

[@davewsh8434]

Doesn’t he have a i3 too?

[@GM-js2yg]

yeah but in favour of hydrogen cars, to be honest, at that time batteries did sound more of a hassle than a hydrogen car, which you could fill up in a minute exactly as a petrol car.

[@alfievines5917]

When I heard that Tesla sued for this review I assumed it was because Clarkson did the whole review by making jokes about the roadster not even being able to finish a lap, and then ending it by pretending that the battery spontaneously exploded. But this is actually really level headed and any gripes don’t look exaggerated or made up.

[@Christopher_TG]

Which is why the courts threw out the lawsuit and the appeal as well.

[@voodooturbo]

Because musk is a thin skinned egomaniac who can't handle anyone rightfully criticizing his garbage cars.

[@Reefer-Rampage69]

Yup, that’s why it got thrown out in court

[@fredrikronnberg684]

@@Reefer-Rampage69 It got thrown out in court because top gear is a show for entertainment and I quote the BBC spokesperson "it should not be taken seriously". E.g, the battery running out is a proven lie, pushing the car into the hanger was also a stunt (they defended this by saying they were showing what a driver would have to do in the event that a battery were to run flat). Also supposedly the cars never malfunctioned.

[@nakkadu]

The car didn't break down though, Top Gear were lying and that's not good on a "review" show

[@blumpfreyfranks8863]

Watched this live back in 2008, watching it again makes me sort of question why Elon tried to sue the BBC. It was a fair and even review, with Jeremy being as open minded as possible about it.

[@unglaubiger5645]

I also watched it an thought "that´s what they got sued about?" He didn´t make a single false claim.

[@robertruiz98]

I heard a story that when they delivered the cars they read part of a script that was laying around and it was scripted for the cars to break down. If that is true big if top gear cost Elon Musk investment money by lying. And also if it true Jeremy Clarkson lost my complete respect

[@coletrain9173]

@@unglaubiger5645 these are computerized cars with logs. Tesla can view the logs after they were returned and according to Elon they didn't break down and run out of charge when they said they did

[@TheFerrarimovement]

@@robertruiz98 they lost so they probably weren’t lying

[@danielbrunner4597]

Because it was scripted. In the script was before they drive the Tesla. Source: Joe Rogan Podcast with Elon Musk.

[@yoowan3437]

who's here after Joe Rogan

[@GM-js2yg]

everybody :D

[@bassfan71]

me

[@cheffs6598]

correct

[@Baleur]

Yep

[@deepididoe]

Haha guilty

[@AL-HD]

Morse Code: 9:08 I like Gary Newman 9:35 That pork tasted fuuny

[@V556vs]

Bro how😂

[@AL-HD]

@@V556vs App

[@idontwantcorporateretaliat6301]

Tesla unsuccessfully sued British television show Top Gear for its 2008 review of the Tesla Roadster (2008) in which Jeremy Clarkson could be seen driving one around the Top Gear test track, complaining about a range of only 55 mi (89 km), before showing workers pushing it into the garage, supposedly out of charge. Tesla filed a lawsuit against the BBC for libel and malicious falsehood, claiming that two cars were provided and that at any point, at least one was ready to drive. Paradoxically, the range of 55 mi was calculated by Tesla itself and supplied to Top Gear as an estimate of the car's range.[100] In addition, Tesla said that neither car ever dropped below 25% charge, and that the scene was staged.[101][102][103][104] However, Top Gear frequently stages scenes for comedic effect, for example by showing Jeremy Clarkson having to refuel the Jaguar XJS three times during the review of it.[105] The High Court in London rejected Tesla's libel claim.[106] The falsehood claims were later struck out.[107]

[@postscript3150]

And that is the rub with comedians- their product reviews are always arbitrary, but the cash they make on live TV is insane!

[@frazerbrennan9245]

@@postscript3150 You missed the point. Tesla lost trying to sue because they were lying.

[@robustanybody5138]

​@@frazerbrennan9245 nope it was because they are an entertainment company so they can fake sh*ts

[@jsm530]

​@@postscript3150 tesla was defeated and humiliated due to elon musk and his massive self infatuation. I loved Clarkson setting up this fiasco. Good fun

[@MrMoccachinoo]

The huge problem I see here with comedic elements is the fact thath the show is producing a kind of review format. The viewer expects those three professionals to give an fair review about the vehicles and don't do scripted shows. As Elon Musk said in a statement, at the point the car was delivered to Top Gear for test purpose there was a script found on the table wich said, that the car would break down at one point of the show. In fact they staged a breakdown to a car wich in fact did not brake down. In that stage of company development beeing a startup this could have cost the future of the company.

[@stevechavez2298]

Search for this because of Elon musk brought it up on joe rogan

[@meltingslurpee]

5:34 "Where the electricity in this socket is coming from..." *proceeds to show a nuclear power plant which is one of the cleanest forms of producing electricity* I get the point they were trying to make... with all those electrical cable shots, you'd expect they would put the effort to show a coal plant

[@matty1723]

You can't really prove that's a nuclear power plant when they look practically the same

[@SaffronWorldCR]

"one of the cleanest forms of producing electricity" tell that to chernobyl.

[@TwatMcGee]

@@SaffronWorldCR Funnily enough though, coal power plants produce more nuclear waste then nuclear ones do, and the collective burning of coal has created more radiation than chernobyl ever has. Also modern reactors arent shitty soviet ones with design flaws covered up by the kgb.

[@samuelsaarijarvi4080]

@john simmons Nuclear waste will clean up, it'll just take... a while. The main difference is that whereas nuclear waste can be dumped underground where it can't touch anyone, carbon oxides get directly released into the atmosphere.

[@funny3scene]

Cristina Ramos Chernobyl still killed less people than coal has, nuclear energy produces no pollution, unless things go wrong.

[@dagadagad]

"Battery powered electric cars will soon die altogether" lol

[@spikebmth]

James went on to review a hydrogen car in the same episode.

[@pascalparth9454]

Now

[@Sam-K]

Hydrogen is the future... probably. Japan and Toyota have placed all their bets on hydrogen. Personally, I see hydrogen and batteries co-existing in the future. I mean, for aviation hydrogen is a no brainer. Same goes to... 'trucking'.

[@dagadagad]

Sam K. Hydrogen has been around for a while but never made it. For trucks unless motorways provide induction charging on the go u r right. For aviation, yes, batteries are super heavy and it is very unlikely to replace flammables. Only for short distance maybe.

[@MrSilnev]

Hydrogen is the solution everyone wants. It functions the same way petrol does but it's good for the environment like battery cars. It's just really time consuming process to get enough of the stuff for everyone.

[@bilbobaggin3]

"once they sell more of them, the build quality will improve" ah, well, uh, about that.

[@AB-80X]

Yep Still have my 2012 Roadster 2 and it has been pretty flawless. However, the P90D I had was nothing but problems and shitty service.

[@spyman3000]

@@AB-80X They are the most fire prone cars ever made lmao

[@perpetualstateofoof]

Elon Musk is gonna sue you now for expressing your right to free speech

[@bsame]

@@AB-80X damn you are one wealthy guy

[@terrestrialcreature7481]

@@spyman3000 Gas cars are over 10x more likely to catch on fire? What do you mean?

[@oliviernales9272]

This video has aged like a fine cheese in a humid basement

[@pierrelandu538]

So crap?

[@Soloman_Gumball]

2018, only 0.45% of cars on the road were electric in the US. 0.2% in the UK. They're really excelling 10 years later.

[@jamontoast1414]

@@Soloman_Gumball no fault of teslas, they've really done a lot and the only trouble is price. The government needs to make electric cars/ hybrids mandatory within the next 10 years

[@joshclontz1306]

Jamon Toast I think for the money you get one hell of a car. I would rather pay 30k for a model 3 than 30k for a Chevy impala. Not that I can afford either one but personally for me I feel as though you’re getting way more “bang for your buck” with a Tesla and even if you got one and wanted to change back to a gas car I couldn’t imagine you’d have a hard time getting rid of it for a good price considering they seem to be flying off the lot lol.

[@markilleen4027]

@@jamontoast1414 they wouldn't need to be mandatory if they were any good but there just disposable shit. if you can point me to an election car that can replace my 1995 Defender 130 i would appreciate it. and not the bollinger and its $125,000 price tag

[@jackjoyce1744]

My oh my, the days when we could fill up for £45 and electricity only cost pennies.

[@McFwoupson]

Europe moment

[@gw7624]

@@McFwoupson Still better than living among Americans.

[@ivand0007]

And how much did you make buddy?

[@LovelyBassGuitar-uw2yc]

Left the EU. Prices for imported gas and electricity went up. No surprises there. Incidentally, I just filled my Fiat 500 with 40 quid.

[@josephstrings7413]

i still fill up for £40

[@knoll7424]

For those stating that they showed a nuclear power plant, they showed Didcot power station. A coal and natural gas fired generating station.

[@chedelirio6984]

People out there think hyperbolic cylinder cooling towers = nuke. Too much watching the Simpsons.

[@DoubleOSeven007]

Which has since been demolished.

[@User-g2c7t]

​@@chedelirio6984are these similar cylindrical towers found in natural gas stations or just coal? I'm curious

[@chedelirio6984]

@@User-g2c7t coal and multi-fuel as well, it's about cooling method choice of the plant designer. Not all nukes have those either.

[@harveythomson2293]

Elon Musk disliked this video!

[@bruhnt5063]

Why would he? They didnt even mock it

[@twidiot]

Efe Ertek he sued top gear because of this

[@bruhnt5063]

@@twidiot not because of this one he sued because of the model s video

[@twidiot]

@@bruhnt5063 interesting.thanks for the update

[@bruhnt5063]

@@twidiot no problem

[@christopherodonoghue3858]

I really don't know why tesla tried to sue Top gear, I mean JC didn't give the car a bad review and made the audience aware that its shortcomings are to do with the car company being so young.

[@Reidror]

Thats probably why the lost the case.

[@speedbird737]

trying to sue Top Gear ingenious - everyone got to hear about Tesla when normally they wouldn't have.. However it could have sunk the car company being critical of the teething issues - look at Virgin's first test flight with reporters on board - there was an engine issue that could have sunk the company before it got started but a kind reporter handed over the footage apparently

[@langa1533]

@@speedbird737 Fweeee Speech

[@novu16]

car breaking down was part of script

[@GodisMoral]

Because according to Tesla the car didn’t break down, didn’t die. Therefore, it was a fake review damaging to the company. They lost because the show is scripted, and Tesla knew this going in. Overall I think it was a decent review.. perhaps it didn’t breakdown or die.. but consumers should understand the downsides of the vehicle. So many people regret buying teslas now after realizing the price of replacing batteries, the ridiculous charging times and the use of fossil fuels to charge the car constantly. Tesla would have been better off starting the market off with a converting engine electric/gas. Perhaps using the gas engine to charge the electric would have been much more productive for consumers and environment. Rather than requiring a gas vehicle as back up to have a productive life.

[@terrificspokesman7416]

I don't know why but all basic sports cars and kit cars have indicators from old Opels from the 1990s and 1980s.

[@einoware436]

6:44 So this is what Tesla is mad about and claimed the cars breaking down was scripted.

[@alfredkc]

That was scripted, but it was a common complaint with owners about it overheating when being pushed.

[@ozywozyroby]

@@alfredkc you were there working for the bbc I assume? It's not possible that they broke down like all the zondas, lamborghinis they had on the show. Teslas are just indestructible, sure. The difference is that when TG criticise Tesla, Elon cries like a baby. Meanwhile real car companies take on the criticism and make their cars better.

[@andersbodin1551]

@@ozywozyroby elon is all about the Image.

[@eibarman-5750]

@@krypton1142 imagine getting mad cuz someone called your car "crap"

[@andregoncalves5100]

@@eibarman-5750 that car beat a 911 GT3 when eletric cars were match boxes and its was called irrelevant for being eletric . It was the first Tesla car and it was prety much a prototype trying to prove that eletric cars could be exiting .The other problem is that those reliabilty problems were scripted , and painted a bad image of the car to the car enthusiast comunity, refleting on eletrics. In the end it didnt have to be factual because its entretainment and all that but it was still a shitty thing to do .

[@riccardomassafaidatech]

This is the beginning of the legal battle between Clarkson and Musk! Awesome!

[@icemachine79]

Yep, and Musk lost.

[@alkaholic4848]

By "legal battle" you mean Elon threw his toys out of the pram and tried suing them, like he does with everyone who upsets him.

[@parodysam]

Tesla tried to sue for this twice. This actually seemed pretty fair. You can’t blame the guy for not knowing what future Teslas would be like. He tested the ones he had. Edit: people provided additional context in the replies, I had just started watching the show and didn’t know it was scripted

[@andregoncalves5100]

The companies first car beat a 911 GT3 when eletrics were matchboxes and that's somehow irrelevant. Also the faults were scripted . It came down to free press but they went unecessarily hard on it for what was prety much a prototype .

[@tyroneboboo8576]

@@andregoncalves5100 they went hard on all cars they reviewed.

[@andregoncalves5100]

@@tyroneboboo8576 its not about going hard, its about making shit up , and they are guilty of that .

[@jyidorne8042]

The modern Teslas aren't any better, so this is a very telling review. Heck, I'd say in many ways they have taken steps back. I can't stop laughing at idiots who drive Teslas.

[@LifeOfTuners]

They were sued, because apparently the breakdowns were scripted

[@sierralvx]

0:58 I don't know if Jeremy's really big or if the Tesla's just really tiny.

[@botulinum7143]

Jeremy is 196 cm

[@hunterprokurat9909]

Jeremy is pretty tall

[@AB-80X]

Clarkson's pretty big and the Tesla is tiny.

[@ochinchin6637]

both maybe

[@mariomuller284]

Both. Have you ever seen an Elise in person? If not I can tell you, they are tiny. That’s why they are as sporty as they are.

[@nijita4545]

in my case here, Jeremy is pointing out that electric cars can fill up pretty long and how inconvenient it is but i dont see anything bad about it entirely, this review made sense and i dont get why Elon sued BBC for it

[@yensive826]

because it was scripted. They seen the script when dropping off the car. Script had them braking down.

[@magomedmagomedov4138]

@@yensive826and it just Elons words, well people almost worship him, why not believe 😂

[@CJ-fz9fq]

Because Elon is a twat?

[@davidgapp1457]

Elon lost in court - twice. But to be fair, my gas powered, mid-engined sports car does, on track, a whopping 7 miles to the gallon (26 on the road). So if you assume I only had a 200 mile range (I actually have a 300 mile range but apples-to-apples here) then I would only get 54 miles of range. I also destroy a set of tires every weekend, and they cost (depending on which of my cars I drive) between 1000 quid and an eye watering 40,000 quid (the P1).

[@switch50c63]

​@@magomedmagomedov4138the reason he lost the case is because its a show, not to be taken seriously, their words. Just do a quick google search before being all ignorant and shit.

[@starty8814]

This is a pretty open minded and fair review. No wonder it was thrown out of court.

[@nakkadu]

"open minded and fair".....lol ok then

[@GradythaStudips]

@@nakkadu Seemed fair to me, I don't doubt under heavy track use that the range could go down that much. And the motor overheating seemed to be an actual issue reported on by owners as well. Even then it still matched a 911 GT3 with all those complaints! I think its a fair review

[@nakkadu]

@@GradythaStudips It wasn't a fair review. The battery didn't die. The data was accessed remotely and it was shown to be a fake review

[@GradythaStudips]

@@nakkadu i do not believe the first generation tesla roadster, not even the later sport model, would have the technology required for tesla to remotely view log information on a street car ESPECIALLY for the time, thats just not feasible

[@nakkadu]

@@GradythaStudips Maybe Tesla checked the battery later then, but they confirmed it didn't drop below 20 percent. Top Gears defence was that it's an "entertainment program". It isn't even a real review show everything is staged.

[@frankaliberti]

“Where the electricity comes from” Proceeds to show the cleanest form of power. lol

[@Mr-Clark]

I owned a Model 3 for about 2 years. I sold it last March. I got so sick and tired of worrying about running out of power. It gets super cold where I live and hot AF in the summer. I sometimes had to alter my day because of the range of my car. I replaced it with a Lexus IS 350 and never looked back.

[@bobmango8472]

@@aidanfl it takes 20 minutes to charge the car, meanwhile its 10 seconds to refuel the gas one, and boom its ready to go. You gotta accept it, fuel cars are just more convenient overall. At least with the current electric car technology now.

[@bobmango8472]

@@aidanfl The amount of time needed to charge more than makes up for it. Sorry. Definitely not ideal for a road trip, or anything long range

[@bobmango8472]

@@krypton1142 Electric cars are currently very expensive when compared to their fuel alternatives. 300 miles is a stretch but any road trip and you have to charge for 20 minutes, whilst you can fuel up and be ready to go. There are much more gas stations spread throughout the world. Tesla charging stations arent allowed for other electric cars. You were saying?

[@generalkenobi8899]

Shame on you for ever buying a musk mobile

[@admrsh]

@@aidanfl nope cars usually have 500 miles range 2x the range of the Tesla

[@DonCheadle27]

the review isn't even that bad though. he praised the car a lot. ofc its gonna have faults being the first generation.

[@HeavyMoonshine19]

The problem is that they lied about the car breaking down, the script literally said ‘car breaks down’ and the records on the roadster itself show that the battery never dropped below 25%. This is despite the show saying that the reason the car broke down was to due to it running out of power, fucking bullshit. The only reason the judge threw the lawsuit against top gear put was ‘BEcAusE iT WaS a jOke’

[@kingenfuuken]

@@HeavyMoonshine19 Why are you lying? That's not what happened. www.wired.com/2011/04/elon-musk-calls-top-gear-completely-phony/ www.wired.com/2012/02/tesla-vs-top-gear/ Although Clarkson hailed the car’s acceleration as "biblical," he declared the technology “doesn’t seem to work” because the cars ran out of juice after 55 miles, needed 16 hours to recharge, and broke down. Tesla claims none of that happened, and Musk is especially peeved that Top Gear allegedly wrote the script before anyone actually drove the car. Tesla claims one of its employees saw a script written before the test. Poppycock, says Top Gear. In his post at Jalopnik, the program's executive producer (Andy Wilman) says there was nothing dishonest about the test, and Tesla's claims aren't true. Wilman claims Top Gear never said the Roadster's range is only 55 miles (Tesla claims 245 miles), nor did it say the car ran out of power. "In the film our actual words were: 'We calculated that on our track it would run out after 55 miles,'" a figure he says came from "Tesla's boffins in California." "They looked at the data from that car and calculated that, driven hard on our track, it would have a range of 55 miles," Wilman writes. As to the matter of brake failure, Wilman said one Roadster experienced a blown fuse in a vacuum pump, which is indeed a failure -- and one Tesla insisted on repairing before Top Gear continued the test. Wilman offers a lengthy rebuttal to the claim that Top Gear wrote the script before driving the car. He says Clarkson's time behind the wheel is but a fraction of the testing conducted, and much of the driving was done before filming commenced. Early drafts of a script are written ahead of filming and revised during filming as new information and insights arise, he writes. At the end of the day, Wilman writes, the Tesla performed admirably but fell short because its drawbacks outweigh its advantages. And in regards to the lawsuit proper: Tesla Motors CEO Elon Musk called Top Gear "completely phony" and his company sued for libel and malicious falsehoods. A judge dismissed the suit in October, saying no viewer of the program could have reasonably compared the Roadster's performance on the track to real-world performance on the street. Tesla would not be deterred and returned to court with an amended suit. The same judge, in a ruling handed down Thursday in London, dismissed the claim. He noted that Tesla's amendment was "not capable of being defamatory at all, or, if it is, it is not capable of being a sufficiently serious defamatory meaning to constitute a real and substantial tort," according to The Guardian. He added that "as any reasonable motorist knows, a manufacturer's statement about the range of a motor vehicle is always qualified by a statement as to the driving conditions under which that range may be expected." Elon Musk fanboys, I swear. You probably think he's a real Engineer too.

[@ianmacdonald4163]

@@kingenfuuken idk if you quoted the entire article or not but I read the article and it literally supports what the guy said. The only reason that they won is because the show is for entertainment not fact. They wrote a script saying that the car would run out of battery. It never ran out of battery. I don't think that they should have won in court because they are entertainment but I don't see how you can defend what they did

[@kingenfuuken]

@@ianmacdonald4163 Then you probably need to finish studying english at high school because nothing said in the show was false, they got the information directly from Tesla, Elon Musk is just so much of a egomaniac that he had a fit and sued them before even checking the information. Thats why the case was thrown out because it was a complete non-issue. I'll take a judge's word over yours, thanks.

[@ianmacdonald4163]

@@kingenfuuken oh they got the information from tesla that the car would die during recording even though it didn't? The article you posted even said that the brake problem was from a fuse that a technician wanted to fix but they had to start testing. I don't really know what your point is here, nobody is arguing about if TG was in the wrong legally, even musk most likely just wanted to get exposure from it. What people are mad about is that TG literally faked a breakdown because the show is entertainment and not educational. The argument over wether or not it was legal doesn't matter, the issue is that many people consider TG to be at least somewhat honest about the vehicles that they test and in this case they were not.

[@fatdobber9772]

Don’t understand why people are angry, the review is a fair one.

[@aegonthedragon7303]

Because Musk fanboys don’t understand the concept of criticism.

[@socketyellow3]

@@aegonthedragon7303 I think they said because they were lying about the car running out of battery, the breaks breaking and what was the other one? Something about the 2nd car breaking. They sued because of this but lost because this was a skit or something. I don’t know much about this but are we sure this is a comedy show? My first time watching this and I was so confused where the jokes were.

[@sunnybossynarks]

Because of the fake plot of the Tesla breakdown whereas the car never actually broke down.

[@nateyauck772]

@@sunnybossynarks but it did doe. Or is the musk fanboy gonna ignore a fucking court ruling rather than just admit Elon screwed that one up

[@sunnybossynarks]

@@nateyauck772 No lol it didn't , it was a plot for the show. look it up. it was fake. The court ruling happened in their favor because they didn't have any contracts with musk and it's an entertainment show, not a review show. So they could have any plot they wanted. Also, I am not a fanboy, just because I'm defending him doesn't make me a fanboy haha.

[@SaaV93]

How incredible it is that the Tesla in 2008 an electric car that no one’s ever heard of can do 0 to 60 in 3.9 seconds and be joint on the top gear track with a porsche 911 pretty insane.

[@pikachuispeekingatyou1795]

The part you most probably came for is at 4:56

[@alkaholic4848]

Where they never said that it broke down. They actually said it did a lot less mileage on their track than tesla's official figures, which is true.

[@PassportGaming]

Can’t wait for the grand tour video on the Tesla model s plaid

[@matthewnoud6938]

The grand tour ended

[@ajayshinmar9297]

@Federico MARCHETTI only specials no car reviews as normal

[@ok-rh4vp]

@Federico MARCHETTI It ended a year ago, how are you not aware of this?

[@abnwil3873]

@@matthewnoud6938 well it still is going just that it has no more reviews

[@Phelixc]

​@@ok-rh4vp They are still making the show, how can you be this confidently incorrect? Granted, it is coming to an end later this year...

[@zukadacoolestgames5087]

For anyone wondering, why would they script the breaking or if they left the script on the table why wouldnt elon musk bring it to jury

[@L3gionMusic]

What do you mean why would they fake it running out of battery? It's top gear. It's great for entertainment but is quite heavily scripted. Musk pulled the car data to show it didn't run out of battery. The only reason the lawsuit didn't go through was that Top Gear could hide behind the fact they are an entertainment show, and never claimed they were being honest about it.

[@zukadacoolestgames5087]

@@L3gionMusic he said they found the script, but there was no evidence of it

[@deathtrooper2048]

@@L3gionMusic Tesla's own engineers said that would have ran out and top gear said it was calculated

[@leontrice5346]

pretty straight up honest review, go's to show how out of touch people like elon musk are

[@tbn22]

I really want to see Jeremy Clarkson review the Taycan.

[@abnwil3873]

He would say its shit not because its electric but because its a porsche

[@ajemajh]

@@abnwil3873 he always hated porsche does it?

[@abnwil3873]

@@ajemajh he does

[@omaralkayal7598]

The guy literally ripps Porsche a part every time he gets the opportunity to do it

[@muhsinatras9755]

@@abnwil3873 he does because hammond and may used to owned one and because he said the 911 is basically a glorified beetle. deep down he does love porsche

[@carlinnguyen4341]

Every dislike on this video is from elon musk

[@Sam-K]

Liberals, mostly.

[@stepladder3257]

from redditors

[@alis4328]

Top Gear admitted this was scripted.

[@tangarz5357]

They clearly said it didn’t actually run out of battery. We figured it would run out of juice and 55 miles on our track. Using your brain you can figure out that they calculated the amount of battery that was taken compared to the amount of. miles they were driving on the track.

[@brianconlogue1302]

It was clearly a hit piece on Tesla. They lied about the brakes they mislead or lied about the battery. They didn’t talk about how you shouldn’t charge the battery to 100% because charging it from 80% to 100 is as long as 0 to 80%. It is a scripted show that pretends to honestly review a car. It misleads consumers which is wrong.

[@mjak993]

the heady old days when you could talk about Teslas and not immediately think "oh jimminy cricket, what has that utter berk done today..."

[@jrmungandr]

Well lately he’s been suggesting an innocent nation cede their sovereign territory to a belligerent invading one for the sake of speedy cessation of hostilities

[@rapterranger771]

7:28 Untitled by Interpol was VERY unexpected.

[@midas7394]

These guys make owning & admiring cars fun. Thanks for sharing.

[@midas7394]

@@hnojic Tongue in cheek lies that everyone knows is a lie. ha-ha Overall they make the car show extremely entertaining most of the time. ha-ha

[@midas7394]

@@hnojicIf that was true, why were they the most popular, Globally viewed car show of all time?

[@tHoM0r]

If the battery size/weight problem ever gets solved then we're going to have super fast and super light rocketships for the road and track. Hopefully we can squeeze more electricity into a small package.. but I doubt it will be any time soon

[@PeteS_1994]

I've heard of batteries that use a different material that would make them lighter and last longer since the battery would have no moving parts.

[@sadenuttie2234]

@@PeteS_1994 batteries don’t have moving parts… fluid I guess? Wouldn’t classify it as a part but ok

[@szmengl]

@@PeteS_1994 A lithium-ion battery or Li-ion battery is a type of rechargeable battery in which lithium ions move from the negative electrode through an electrolyte to the positive electrode during discharge and back when charging. I don't see any moving parts (well except lithium ions but they are microscopic anyway)

[@hunterprokurat9909]

And charging as well but another issue is lithium sources

[@defeqel6537]

@@PeteS_1994 there have been plenty of different battery tech, most are not viable in the real world, for reasons of cost, safety and "manufacturability"

[@H982_FKL]

I mean I don't know why they had to script this instead of being honest.

[@ilarivaisanen]

Views. After looking other episodes it's staged bullshit all the time. They just calculate what is funny/interesting and make that "happen".

[@rubenVS100]

Money under the table from big fuel cars company's?

[@SEJay-gj2cv]

Because Top Gear's biggest sponsor was Shell Oil.

[@colecooper5836]

Top gear won two court cases against tesla over this. Seems like Elon is having another case of the shatterproof windows.

[@sugmabolzack4971]

@@colecooper5836 lol

[@cyruskhalvati]

To the people saying this is slimy, the range of a car is obviously not gonna match the manufacturers optimum range when they are literally flooring the pedal the entire time. The same happens in a gas car, you try running any car at its red line for an hour and it will likely long be out of fuel.

[@sam-nariman6236]

OK, But gas car producers are not crying about it for more than a decade. 😂😂😂

[@wattouk47noob54]

Literally no reason for musk to sue lol

[@yousseffarid6830]

@@iphonewalkthroughs which they didn't, try driving an electric car at its absolute max on a track for a whole day. The battery would run out at quarter the claimed range easily by electric cars nature of design.

[@owen4326]

@@iphonewalkthroughs I think you’re watching a different clip here buddy

[@yousseffarid6830]

@Aryan A because it takes literally 1 minute to be refueled at any of the 2 million gas station around the world. If this is just another suv or a sedan that moves people it's fine, but i won't wait 2 hours for my sports car to charge at my local race track which may not even have a charger.

[@sadenuttie2234]

@ok ok cap. Where’s your source? I own a model 3 and it literally always is on track to lasting me the range that tesla claims it can reach

[@youngeshmoney]

@@sadenuttie2234 I own a model 3, and I lose at least 10 miles of range for every 20 miles driven, so you're bullshitting. No way your car lasts the advertised range in track conditions. Unless you're just driving 30mph around a track. Stop lying

[@kaiwang7630]

I remember that episode. I guess i didn’t noticed the engine and exhaust sound effects they added to the video

[@neonnoir9692]

Staging the car breaking down is the lowest of the low.

[@matejzizanovic7959]

Car did break down though... Roadster had reduced power due to overheating, and fuse to the vacuum pump on the breaks did fail.

[@matejzizanovic7959]

It was still driveable and they may overexaggerated a bit by filming the crew pushing the car, but tbh it would be unfair to test drive the car with reduced power and bad breaks...

[@thomasweller3959]

@@matejzizanovic7959 watch Elon musk speak about the pre prepared script

[@matejzizanovic7959]

@@thomasweller3959 Ok Elon.

[@jamiemidge4983]

Thomas Weller Pahaha there was a script left on the table and a Tesla employee read it, jokes. Why didn’t they subpoena the script?

[@bondedwithpotatoes0076]

so elon really sued over this? it wasn't even that bad

[@alexstamas7645]

It affected Tesla’s image. He said investors and such were constantly asking why it broke down on the show

[@bondedwithpotatoes0076]

@@alexstamas7645 I mean, it breaking down and running out of battery was an accurate portrayal of the roadster. At that time electric cars were hit or miss with battery life and reliability, what was shown was what you would expect if you bought one.

[@alexstamas7645]

@@bondedwithpotatoes0076 it still isn’t what happened though. I don’t really care too much I can just understand Elon’s frustration

[@CMK-BigFoot-1420]

The fact that I've had so many people recommend not getting a Tesla due to this top gear episode says differently

[@blabla903]

@@bondedwithpotatoes0076 This scene was faked. The tesla logs driving data. When they got the car back, they checked the logs and found that the car never ran out of battery. It is legitimately faked. They lost the lawsuit because, even though the top gear legal team admitted it was faked, they claimed that it was not an actual review since this show is strictly for entertainment.

[@boerbull1443]

I cant believe elon musk sued over this. The test seamed extremely fair.

[@manojpreeth7058]

Was just about to say the same

[@rafaadrummond]

Them faking a breakdown doesn't seem fair to me

[@boerbull1443]

@@rafaadrummond i read about that, it turned out that car broke down (one's or twice dont remember) while they weren't filming. So they just recreated it on film

[@rafaadrummond]

@@boerbull1443 well, that's not what Elon claims. He said the breakdown was on the script even before they got the car. Hard to know who's telling the truth, I guess we'll never know for sure lol

[@boerbull1443]

@@rafaadrummond well he did sue and lost. Which tells me he didn't have a leg to stand on in the first place. And if he did see a scripted breakdown before hand why would he still give them the car?

[@banpowel9784]

The fact is with EVS, drive them fast and the battery drains rapidly, I was only doing 70mph and could see, the range drops by the second, the only way to safely reach a charging point was to reduce my speed to 50mph........what a boring journey

[@Solid_Snake99]

Just because you have shitty range doesn’t mean all electric cars consume a shit ton of power

[@HeatedFilms]

Every car will have less range at higher speeds.

[@kayEnt3rtainm3nt]

@@HeatedFilms That actually depends on the final drive ratio of the transmission. If the top gear (ha) of a transmission holds the engine at its eco-band at high speed you actually get the best fuel economy at sustained high speed. The reason the opposite is true of electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles is because 1) EVs have regenerative braking that recaptures lost energy in stop and go traffic and 2) Most electric cars such as this Tesla do not have a transmission at all. The prototype of this car actually DID have one but it kept breaking so Tesla abandoned it because the electric motor was technically able to operate without one and doing so simplified the manufacturing process. Interestingly the Rimac Concept 1 that Hammond crashed did have a transmission and so do most Formula-E race cars.

[@HeatedFilms]

@@kayEnt3rtainm3nt yes I understand what you're talking about. I was referring to wind resistance. Wind resistance increases exponentially the faster you go which applies to every vehicle but is only really noticeable once you start going around highway speeds.

[@kayEnt3rtainm3nt]

@@HeatedFilms Fair enough. Thank you for clarifying that for me 👍

[@AB-80X]

Still have my 2012 model and love it.

[@alant8553]

I like how the electricity goes all the way back to a Nuclear Power Plant… one of the cleanest energy you could get. But they try to make you think it’s a coal plant or natural gas plant.

[@jailewis22]

Theres no way you know the difference they look the same

[@chedelirio6984]

Commenters from the UK are identifying it as a coal plant. Hypercylinder cooling towers do not a nuke make.

[@GDP-hm5ey]

It's a coal power plant

[@getalife944]

sad thing this was fake they made tesla breakdown on purpose it wasnt broken at all

[@Tetris521]

Elon made 102 fake accounts

[@charisma7268]

You fool he have 130 altrenative account now

[@hikotai1925]

Because there is a lot of misinformation, here are the facts. Elon Musk sued Jeremy Clarkson and TopGear due to his roadster breaking down. Jeremy won the lawsuit proving this episode was not scripted and showing even though it was a negative review it was accurate. Elon then appealed the lawsuit and brought it to another court. That court had the same findings, the episode was not scripted and had a fair review even though it was negative. Now due to heresay laws, Elon Musk claims someone who heard from some else told him the breaking down was in the script. Due to Musk's money, he is able to slander Jeremy despite Elon's claims being proven wrong in court, twice. Jeremy cannot say to the contrary because even though the evidence supports he was never in the wrong, slap suits are not illegal. And it would cost Jeremy a small fortune to win for the third time. Goes to show you, having a massive PR team and a firm of lawyers has a massive impact on public opinion. So in a court of law it has been proven twice, this was not staged, never premeditated, and was an accurate review of the tesla. Conjecture leads you to believe since Musk himself says that investment was stifled after the review. He slapsuited Jeremy to create the false impression that they were biased against his car. When in actuality they reviewed the car they were given accurately.

[@manojpreeth7058]

Exactly where does he say that the car has "broken down"? Literally at 5:03 - 5:04 he says "we WORKED OUT that it will do 55 on our track"..

[@rafaadrummond]

6:44

[@sugmabolzack4971]

@@rafaadrummond Still nothing about breaking down... Just pretty standard issues.....

[@mintheman7]

In case anyone is wondering, James reported on hydrogen cars, that would make EV “irrelevant.” Toyota Mirai is such car. It’s the size of a BMW 5-series, but can barely fit 4 people and has a tiny trunk, and a range less than 300 miles. Not to mention it costs 3x per mile running on hydrogen compare to diesel. Hydrogen may be right for some applications, but definitely not personal cars.

[@LovelyBassGuitar-uw2yc]

Not yet, but then neither are batteries suitable.

[@Rhaman68]

Feb 2024, Toyota is giving away the Mirai and presumably since the new president knows fuel cell EV are nowhere except at Toyota that this car is discontinued and Toyota shall confine ignoring battery powered cars.

[@romansenger2322]

And I dont know why petrolheads are obssesed with hydrogen cars. They dont sound good and they are essentially hybrids, because they are EVs with a fuel cell.

[@Baconlord144]

Maybe they just thought Elon was a prick and wanted to make fun of him. No law says you have to be nice to billionaires 😂

[@MiddleMAGA]

I was going to dislike this video but then I was like I don’t want to hurt the uploader.

[@sam-nariman6236]

The funny part is that even new Tesla models have similar issues in race tracks and under pressure 😂😂

[@VS-et4pn]

8:21 oof. Captain slow indeed

[@samueleveleigh2767]

fun fact after this elon and tesla started putting tracking software on all of their review cars if they had another jeremy clarkson case. Its because when elon took the bbc to court over the review being scripted they got away with it since topgear is classed as "entertainment" not factual

[@SdoubleA]

What was the tracking software for?

[@samueleveleigh2767]

@@SdoubleA so that tesla could see exactly where their show models were going and all the conditions around the journey. For example, one guy said the battery was crap, tracking software revealed he was deliberately going around a carpark to bring down the battery and then didnt fill it above like 75%

[@kayEnt3rtainm3nt]

@@samueleveleigh2767 I recall another review in which the range was said to be less than quoted by Tesla but this decrease was due to the reviewer forgetting to close the door overnight causing the dome light to stay on draining the battery. I actually once had a co-worker who did that with their car, except their car wasn't electric so it had a much smaller battery causing it to be unable to start by the time their shift ended. A bit embarrasing for them but we were at least able to recharge the battery for them with some jumper-cables and a company car.

[@matejzizanovic7959]

Thats not why they lost the court case lol, at all...

[@ExclamationMarx]

@@matejzizanovic7959 The reason they lost is because the courts said that it was unlikely for viewers to compare the performance of the car in the show to the performance in the real world. Tesla losing the case had nothing to do with whether or not the Top Gear episode was truthful. Even a spokeswoman for the BBC said that Top Gear was "an entertainment programme, and should not be taken seriously." which sort of implies that what happened in the show may not have been entirely honest

[@BevanWard]

this is a completely fair review. The only entertainment flair they added was showing the track rage vs street range, and what you'd have to do if you ran out of juice. This is nowhere near defamation

[@mosheadd1410]

The review was scripted look into it

[@BevanWard]

@@mosheadd1410 yes, tesla told top gear the car would only do 55 miles on a track, so they simulated what would happen if the car went flat

[@rituraj_sharma_v]

Joe rogan’s disgust brought me here 🙋🏻‍♂️

[@kennyfordham6208]

It just proves that Jeremy Clarkson has integrity and tells things as they are.

[@robertsmart7484]

JC has Integrity? He didn't mention that most Tesla owners would have a 7 kWH home charger installed which would recharge the battery overnight, and for long journeys would recharge at a Tesla Supercharger which would recarge the battery in about 30 minutes. So either a lack of integrity or a lack of research , or both.

[@robertedwardlee8227]

@@robertsmart7484 *ahem* its episode from 2008.

[@TheMrTape]

But the episode was entirely scripted and the negatives were all petty lies. Sponsored by oil giants. It just proves that you're gullible and uninformed, or a troll.

[@kennyfordham6208]

@@TheMrTape 🤣

[@Starch1b2c3d4a]

Looks like an honest review...

[@a.banana]

Not honest at all, Tesla called them out on their lies quite a long time ago.

[@gleannmacgabhann7822]

@@a.banana They sued and lost and then made an appeal and lost that too. You can call people out all you want but if they're right it doesn't mean much

[@a.banana]

@@gleannmacgabhann7822 They lost because Top Gear claimed to be an entertainment show, not a informative one. Top Gear did not win because Tesla's claims were found false..

[@mother.russian]

banana ? Please outline and tell me some of these lies, besides the obvious joke about it running out of power.

[@a.banana]

@@mother.russian Okay, here it goes. When Tesla first dropped off the car, they say one of the employees noticed a segment about the car breaking down. This was before Top Gear even got a chance to drive it, mind you. One thing Top Gear said in the episode is that the car died after around 55 miles on the track, but Tesla said the logs on the car showed it never even dropped below 20% state of charge. The brakes in the car never broke either, apparently it was a blown fuse. I don't know if that's any better, though. The motor overheating never kept the car from working completely, only reduced torque. Car still worked fine. Tesla later lost the lawsuit as the court failed to find any evidence that this caused any damage in reputation or sales of the company, which it obviously has seeing these comments. Then again, a lot of you might have disliked Tesla anyway for different reasons. Hard to say. Anyway, here's some quotes on the case if you want to know what info I used to compile this summary: Two quotes from the judge: "Not capable of being defamatory at all, or, if it is, it is not capable of being a sufficiently serious defamatory meaning to constitute a real and substantial tort," "no viewer of the program could have reasonably compared the Roadster's performance on the track to real-world performance on the street" Tesla official lawsuit claims, word for word: *Malicious falsehood* The item was false in the following respects: Particulars of Falsity (1) The first Roadster shown (which was silver in colour) did not run out of charge. (2) The first Roadster did not have to be pushed into the hanger as a result of running out of charge. (3) At no point were the brakes on the first Roadster broken. (4) The second Roadster (which was grey in colour) did not become immobile as a result of overheating. (5) There was no time at which neither Roadster was available for driving. During filming, the Second Claimant's UK Director of Sales and Marketing, Don Cochrane (who had previously expressed concem about whether the Roadster would be fairly portrayed, having seen whilst on the set, a script written before the Roadster had been driven at all which concluded with the words "It's just a shame that in the real world, it absolutely doesn't work."), challenged Mr Whitehead about another script which he had seen which called for the Roadster to be filmed being pushed into the hanger having run out of charge. Mr Cochrane said that Top Gear could not do this and Mr Whitehead purported to agree and said words to the effect of "We don't want to be sued." On or about 21 December 2008 (ie shortly alter the initial broadcast of the item) the Defendant issued a press release which claimed that the Roadster was shown being pushed into the hanger to demonstrate "what would happen if it did" run out of charge. The Claimants infer that this press release was issued on the basis of an account given by one or more of Messrs Wilman, Whitehead & Clarkson. This reason was a lie. It is in any event, an admission that the Defendant (by any/all those men) knew both when filming and by the date of the press release that the Roadster had not run out of charge and did not need to be pushed into the hanger as a result. Each of Messrs Wilman, Whitehead & Clarkson knew or recklessly did not care that the brakes on the frst Roadster were not broken or did not believe that they had because (a) this was apparent to Mr Clarkson, who was driving the Roadster at the material time, and (b) the Claimant's engineer Stuart Brierley, and Mr Cochrane explained to various members of the Top Gear crew and Mr Whitehead that all that had happened was that a fuse within an electrical circuit providing additional powcr to the brake pedal had "blown" meaning that while the brakes were still entirely safe, the brake pedal needed to be pressed down harder than would otherwise be the case. each of Messrs Wilman, Whitehead & Clarkson knew or recklessly did not care that the second Roadster was at no time ''immobile due to overheating or did not believe that it was. This was evident because it did not overheat (but rather reduced the torque available to prevent overheating) and because at all times it remained capable of being (and was) driven by Mr Clarkson, including being driven by him to the point at which it was shown sitting immobile on the track.

[@mattwolf7698]

You aren't supposed to charge it from a wall outlet on a regular basis, that's more so for emergency charging or if you will be staying at a non-EV owners house for at least 24 hours. Still, I realize there was barely any charging infrastructure back when this was made.

[@RazaChandio]

Fast forward to 2021: Teslas are the best sellers.

[@TheBenj57]

mhh calm down, there are not even in the top 15 highest earnings manufacturers yet. but yeah they are growing.

[@MiguelDS5547]

Best sellers of what? Of EV cars sure but not for long.

[@fabianweber6937]

German car manufacturers laughing right now 😂

[@PeteS_1994]

Yeah, I see them more on the road.

[@Laevateinn98]

and their cars blow up whenever

[@andre7089]

Bruh they were just demonstrating how short of a life span the battery has

[@the-blue-barron2791]

no they weren't lol

[@monke_cr4425]

I can’t believe you would sue a TV show for criticising your car, like that should be your feedback instead of being a child about it

[@alphamorion4314]

Jeremy was so extremely fair with this review. Even though he clearly doesn't like electric cars, he was *really* giving a shot to this one, and giving praise everywhere he could find something that he though enjoyable. Elon wanting to sue the BBC, twice, even, for this review was completely egomaniacal on his part: he basically wanted Clarkson to say that the Roadster was the best thing ever, on every aspect ever!

[@RayTC]

elon really is a massive egomaniac, just look at the personality cult he's been trying to build up.

[@ExclamationMarx]

Clarkson was being intentionally misleading about many aspects of the car. He said the range was only 55 miles. As if hammering the car around a track somehow counts as real-world usage. In the real world, it was about 130-ish miles. Far short of the claimed range but significantly more than 55 miles. He then claimed that the battery took 16 hours to charge from a household socket while ignoring any other faster method of charging. As if anyone who could afford a £90k electric car wouldn't have a dedicated home charge point installed. It's difficult to know whether or not the car ran out of power because of how much energy going around a race track would use, but it would've been quite an oversight of the driver to not notice the car's power gauge getting so low. I find it hard to believe that they could've accidentally drained the car to the point where it couldn't move by itself. Besides, the reason that the case was thrown out was because the BBC said Top Gear is an entertainment show. Not a facts show. The case getting tossed out doesn't prove that the review was honest

[@steffen6987]

@@ExclamationMarx It most definitely wasn’t “accidentally drained” drained. They would totally let it drain out, if the battery is trash. This isn’t a show about sugar coating cars. Doesn’t seem like you ever watched top gear before. This was a fair review

[@ExclamationMarx]

@@steffen6987 What? It's just physics. It's a 53kWh battery with a 215 kW motor. You could empty it in 15 minutes if you kept your foot down the whole time. But real world driving isn't like that. Marques Brownlee's video on the original Roadster showed that it had done an average of 250Wh per mile over the last 30 miles. That's 4 miles per kWh. So 200 miles from a 53kWh battery with that efficiency is entirely possible as long as you're not thrashing it

[@steffen6987]

@@ExclamationMarx But thats the point. They were driving around a track, obviously its not gonna last long

[@KiloNovemberHK]

good piece of history to show the progress of Tesla

[@TheErasec]

And the progress of Clarkson... Ask any 25yr old today who is Jeremy and who is Elon.

[@Top_Gear_Clips_Central]

@@TheErasecthey’d still know who jeremy is yk

[@renashbellrn]

Is this the fake roadster dying?

[@KevinP-c7i]

Fast forward 2024 to grown men going Karen over the Cybertruck because they can’t afford one 😂

[@janehedgehog1016]

People should know that you need to take a pinch of salt with JC's car reviews . I had never actually seen this until now , and it was a glowing review until he brought up the battery issue etc .

[@shohruhjurakulov1079]

just like staged, right?

[@Muskar2]

Call me gullible, but it wasn't until I saw this episode the first time that I realized that Top Gear staged hypothetical scenarios as if they actually occurred. I had never previously questioned all the factual parts of the reviews before - except silly stuff like Reliant Robin tilting more often than it probably should.

[@YourLoyalDeserter]

Little did they know, Tesla reliability would still suck years later.

[@bitterchocolate6005]

Who noticed but me that this clip from this 2008 episode is actually a VHS recording?

[@chedelirio6984]

Well, yeah, sure, if you drive it all Go Speed Racer Go Demon On Wheels it will overheat and run out faster. But face it, this was about as good as you could imagine getting from Clarkson about an EV at the time.

[@Klimmerish]

I think Elon tried to sue Jeremy after this review

[@nickvillarreal2673]

He did! Tesla lost and tried to appeal and still lost.

[@spaghettigum]

@Brady Prince check my other comment

[@spaghettigum]

@@nickvillarreal2673 check my other comment

[@spaghettigum]

@@virroot elon musk sued top gear because they scripted the car breaking down to show it in a bad light (probably because of someone higher up not one of the presenters) but elon lost because top gear is classed as an entertainment show and they can basicaly do whatever they want thats within wathershed regulations.

[@jeffmckie7300]

Lets not forget that producing refining transporting gasoline uses more energy than a Tesla for the same distance driven.

[@travisherdt]

the fact that they lied about them breaking is maddening.

[@anonuser6625]

money and attention influences people

[@colecooper5836]

How did they lie? They literally won two court cases against tesla because what they reported was factual... lol

[@harsimranbansal5355]

@@colecooper5836 its not because it was factual, but because its was for entertainment.

[@alfredkc]

@@harsimranbansal5355 It was a well-known and common issue amongst these roadsters. Might’ve been scripted, but it was an actual problem with the car. Can’t be pushed for long periods of time without overheating.

[@gerry5134]

Standing next to those cars Clarkson makes them look like toys! 😅

[@bossadave]

It took to 2023 before the penny dropped on EVs. But JC called it right back then.

[@virtual-viking]

Best selling car of the World (of any kind) 2023: Tesla. Model Y It takes some next level cherry picking, bias, not to mention delusion, to arrive at the conclusion that EVs are somehow over, just because a couple of legacy automakers are struggling to sell their's at the price point they need to be at when competing with Tesla and the Chinese. If there's something that's over it's the internal combustion engine, which will see decreasing sales every single year for the next 10 years, at least.

[@Isueng]

I see a guy on utub using a 3 foot high 200 dollar turbine from amzon that produced over 1000 wats an hour that would charge the 53kwh battery in 53 hours not 600

[@smokindamaryjane]

Elon musk got salty and tried to sue, lost. Tried to appeal, and lost. Jeremy is king

[@a.banana]

Only lost because Top Gear claimed to be an entertainment show, not an informative one. Tesla did *not* lose because their claims were found false. Tesla has improved a lot since then anyway.

[@smokindamaryjane]

@@a.banana Excuse me, a loss is a loss. Tesla is garbage and their cars will never be as practical as a petrol cars.

[@a.banana]

@@smokindamaryjane You miss the point. They lost, yes, but that doesn't mean Top Gear is actually truthful in what they said. They weren't. Their cars are practical. I don't see any reason why they wouldn't be.

[@smokindamaryjane]

@@a.banana tell me what's practical about waiting hours for something to charge, when filling with petrol takes 2 minutes. Jeremy is completely right in his analysis of the car, whether you find the show to be entertained, or to take advice from the cast, I think their opinions hold a lot of weight.

[@a.banana]

@@smokindamaryjane The newer V3 chargers take 40 minutes, and the V2 chargers take about an hour. Doesn't matter unless you're going on a long road trip, anyway, since you charge it overnight when you're in town. No need to charge it at a supercharger every day if you can just charge overnight. Also something important to mention is that you get 200-400 miles of battery from your house, every single day. On the other hand, you get your gas range mileage from the last gas pump you visited, which you most likely didn't visit today, meaning your left with less and less miles in the tank every day until you have to pump in gas. Now, not only does this mean you don't use 200-400 miles up every day, it shows that when at home, an EV is actually slightly more practical and convenient in the fact that you don't have to spend time driving to a gas station every week to fill up the car. Also, it's cheaper! They lied about multiple things in this episode, the "analysis" is not a truthful one. Their opinions of the car were literally written before they even got to drive the bloody thing, how more untruthful of an analysis can you get?

[@alanchantiefighterskuanlia627]

Electric cars still got a long way to go. Currently it is neutered mode, until it can self charging with solar panel fitted on the body then it is considered matured technology.

[@mercuryredstone2235]

There's a company called Aptera that's trying to do that.

[@tds9058]

“What we have here then is an astonishing electrical achievement. The first electric car you may want to buy. It’s just a shame that in the real world it doesn’t seem to work.” Still true about modern Tesla’s lmao

[@MatteoComensoli]

Did you ever drive one at least?

[@AB-80X]

@@MatteoComensoli Doubt it. The Roadster is great actually and work well. Have had mine for 10 years now and the battery is still going about 100% after 20k km.

[@oliverashworth3429]

Elon and the Americans got unbelievably pissy about this but it really isn’t that bad at all. The car was extremely expensive for what it was and completely ahead of its time.

[@zachb1706]

Faking it breaking down isn’t bad?

[@JorganGJorgan]

@@zachb1706they didn’t fake it

[@zachb1706]

@@JorganGJorgan yes they did, and the only reason they weren’t sued for it was the judge ruled that the show was for entertainment and not meant to be taken seriously.

[@zachb1706]

Top Gear was funded by gas companies to keep gas on top. That’s why they hated EVs which will eventually topple them, but had no problem pushing ridiculous alternatives like Hydrogen which they knew had no chance.

[@aftermathsample305]

Crazy how when Tesla began it was a horrible "Gen 1". Look at Tesla now, incredible technical achievement

[@daddyjohan911]

What improvement???

[@thedumbconspirator4956]

@@daddyjohan911 uh maybe now 400 miles of range, falling just shy of lucid..0-60 in 2 seconds 5th fastest saloon round the ring...1000+ HP. Sub 10 quarter mile at 150+ trap speed. 200 mph top speed. The best infotainment in the biz, self driving 5 seats...all that in like ten years...looks like a pretty massive improvement to me lol

[@daddyjohan911]

@@thedumbconspirator4956 Dear sir, In the real world, not the gospel according to Elon: Tesla's will warn you if you put them in performance mode "will reduce lifespan." So they burned up their batteries then, still do it now. Other performance numbers: irrelevant in any real contest: go around the ring against a AMG GTR: after less than 2 laps your battery will be dead and take forever to recharge (if not broken yet.) Range: Yes, if you don't use heating or airco. And even then: My Benz (diesel) did Brussels - Vienna without refuelling. And then took 9 minutes to fill up. Ready for another 1100km of autobahn. A Tesla will be in Vienna ... what 2 days or so behind my Benz? Self driving: .... Again, in the real world: check youtube. Infotainment: Emirates has the best and they put it where it belongs: In front of passengers in an airplane. Why don't they give the pilots that? .... Right: they should be looking where it matters: in front, out the windshield, just as should any driver. And to top it: I asked for a lease price (all in service) just last november. And the leasing company came back: Sorry, we don't do those cars. To many uncertainties about lifespan, breakdowns, resale value... We have 2 Benz and 1 BMW in our company now. The next car will be one of those again. And with a big enough powerful diesel engine in it. And please don't come back about environment: by now everybody knows about how (not!) clean production of those batteries really is. Not to mention the "Braunkohle" electricity they use in Germany to recharge them. Kind regards.

[@MasterBallTCG]

@@daddyjohan911 wait did you say it would take hours to recharge???? They charge in no time, and tesla super chargers are literally everywhere around me , the infotainment is absolutely beautiful and in a straight line no internal combustion engine will come close off the showroom floor. Petrol cars are becoming obsolete, and I understand people are absolutely terrified of change for whatever reason, who knows, but just because you are doesn't mean you should spread false info and shit on tesla. I have 3 teslas, model S plaid, model y and model x. I used to own a BMW X4 M , Audi Q8 and a Mercedes C63 AMG, my current tesla cars blow them out of the water in almost every aspect, they are technological marvels that are autonomous and I can even control it and move it with my phone. Get your facts straight please

[@daddyjohan911]

@@MasterBallTCG please, a bit of intelectual honesty would do nice: I just spoke to a Tesla owner sitting in his car, recharging. At a, admitted, not Tesla charger he said it would take 45 minutes to add 300km range, which was what he needed to get home. But superchargers do that in about 30 minutes, wait.... if you are alone at the park. If another one plugs in next to you, you have to share the current with him (or her). As I said: no propaganda, honesty please. As far as the infotainment goes: please read before you reply. Look out the winshield instead of at your screen, you will hit less people or parked (police)vehicles. And again, read before you reply: I said myself Tesla's can accelerate hard. But Tesla warns about reduced battery lifespan if you do that so.... Top fuel dragsters accelerate even harder, and how do they get around turns?

[@monsiursnowman66]

He said 600 the same time the video hit 6:00

[@bringtheseo]

These are the modern day people shouting "We dont need cars, we have horses!"

[@SdoubleA]

They're not the same thing though. Cars did things horses never could. That's why it only took half a decade and almost all horses were sidelined. Electric cars are merely an extension of cars. If they had the ability to fly or something then sure, what you're saying would be correct. The Autopilot feature has been a very good USP although some companies have now begun developing their own.

[@Muskar2]

@@SdoubleA Electric cars will eventually make transportation cheaper, and be the cheapest viable candidate in an inevitable post-fossil economy. They have potential to help balance the grid, lowering electricity prices, and minimizing blackouts. And they have potential to have far superior traction control and zero rpm torque. Also, one-pedal driving can be made smooth for cheap, which makes driving even easier. But the arrival of driverless cars will be a _much_ bigger revolution than the small list of advantages of EVs. EVs primary disadvantages are sticker price, range, charging speed and weight. Pretty significant drawbacks for many still. But the only big bottleneck of those disadvantages is the battery - which is still being exponentially improved and scaled up in global production. In a few years, it'll start being a small evolution, but certainly no revolution like cars vs. carriages. Plus, it'll take at least 20 years to produce enough EVs to replace most of the ICEV fleet, so it's not going to happen overnight even in the most progressive scenario.

[@kloschuessel773]

@@Muskar2 yep its not the same as cars vs horses, even if it goes autonomously. Simply bcs many ppl already drive without driving themselves... Like in busses or cabs or having a chauffeur. And electric cars have many advantages over fossil fueled ones but its not a bigger step than cars from say the 70s to the 90s or 2000s or cars from the 50s to the 70s. Its a improvement in performance, noise etc but thats it. + electric cars have been around for a long time, just as electric motors From horse to car was entirely different since cars had been an entirely new thing that hadnt been previously available to anyone and totally revolutionized travel all together. Its an exaggerated comparison to overstate the importance of ev criticism

[@Muskar2]

@@kloschuessel773 I agree for the most part. Especially with your last paragraph. I don't have a good anecdotal comparison though. Regardless, the gist is that EVs have lots of advantages, and are still underappreciated by many, but they do still have limitations and particularly supply and sticker prices aren't in the majority's favor before now to a few years from now, depending on where you live and such. Comparing them to Model T vs. carriages is a distraction.

[@kloschuessel773]

@@Muskar2 yep, its just not the same. Evs are in many ways superior to fossil fueled cars, not just from an environmental perspective. But overall they offer little more. Certainly cant be described as some big move like we saw when moving from carriages propelled by animals to machines. To me it’s comparable to the evolution of the car from one decade to another. What personally excites me about evs in particular is that we could be more self sustainable and need less energy imports. I see that as big advantage for western states. H2 will likely compliment this development, simply bcs its a way of storing energy and using it later. We will see.

[@SMURFF707]

While it was being charged it’s brakes had broken 😂

[@Ammon6]

The electric car fans, often doesn't take in to account how the electricity is produced, and the lifespan of the batteries, and the most important thing the recycle ability of the batteries. Because it could end up producing more pollution if you take into account the whole process of producing batteries that couldn't be reused

[@kermit56780]

You should tell Elon musk that.. you sound more intelligent #FACEPALM

[@SdoubleA]

@@kermit56780 Being Elon Musk doesn't automatically make you the smartest person in the world. God, I thought Apple fans were bad...

[@Peacemaker-96]

A quick Google search will provide you with the avg. lifespan of Tesla cars nowadays, which is quite more than an avg. user will need

[@Muskar2]

@@SdoubleA Sure, Elon isn't omniscient by any stretch. But a few minutes of Google search can disprove these claims, so I don't see how being a fan is in anyway related.

[@245thegreat]

@@Muskar2 it's a bit of tongue in cheek humour! Jesus get a life you complete and utter saddo.

[@SoftroadingWithSoftHands]

How exactly did the breaks break while sitting there ?

[@stepha5926]

They didn't. Clarkson's lying - proven in court.

[@Tmccreight25Gaming]

I'd love to see them try the 2020 roadster. It puts the 2008 roadster to shame

[@mercury6765]

What happened to the new Roadster?

[@cyre2]

Would love to see the 2020 Roadster, well the 2023(?) Roadster

[@Tmccreight25Gaming]

@@cyre2 who knows, hopefully they get production started soon tho! Stupid pandemic!

[@orderofmagnitude-TPATP]

Another musk vapourware scam - that's what happened.

[@henryatkinson1479]

Its also not real

[@TACJHON_]

It could be faster if you put the plaid engine motors in it

[@voiceofreason2674]

Should’ve shown us the miserable plastic and glue interior

[@AB-80X]

So you own one? Funny. Mine has no glue but plenty of leather.

[@ryanlittleton5615]

To the Elon fanboys in the comments I have a sincere question. Elon claims the breakdowns were scripted, how do you know Elon isn't lying himself? Has the script and the Blackbox data been made public?

[@smokindamaryjane]

Best review ever.

[@Arcturuseyes]

These days, I'd love to see a reboot of the roadster

[@nodsib]

New Tesla Roadster has been unveiled several years ago and is going into production

[@RAM-jg7ez]

Thus seems like a real review ... I feel that Elon Musk just overreacted

[@Doggydoglol]

That's what he does best!

[@ozietours]

Surprised to hear MORSE CODE at 9:08 "I like gary newman" and at 9:34 "that pork tasted funny" - What does that mean?

[@hisfat2271]

stig

[@Makro8208]

It did not run out they scripted the whole thing

[@jackwhitlock1]

You can literally see Jeremy take his foot of the accelerator at 4:56

[@manojpreeth7058]

@@jackwhitlock1 but you can literally hear him say that "we worked out it'll do 55".