Top Hunting Horn Meta Sets | MH Rise 3.0

We're back with another Hunting Horn Meta Set Video and boy did we get some fun toys. Big shoutout to all of the people in the Horn Pub discord for helping to put this video together. These sets and to some degree the video itself were a group effort and I could not have done it without them.
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[@3geek14]

Happy to have been able to contribute with charm odds for these sets!

[@shadowdragon654]

I just started to be a Hunting Horn player and I got to say its fun and confusing at the same time lol

[@Gravyon]

Hey everyone! Quick heads up that we did some more testing and found a variation on the HC2 2-0-0 charm set that has the same damage but gets 1 more level 1 slot. Basically, this change swaps the Hunter's Greaves in for a 5th Valstrax piece and drops to AB5. With the 2 flat raw and 4% raw dropped from Attack Boost, the 5% gained from Dragonheart 5 ends up equaling about the same amount of damage, but comes with the added bonus of being slightly easier to activate (

[@salderin]

Hi Grav! When you mention at 3:23 that "it is also not nearly as easy to sharpen your weapon as it was last patch," does that mean that they slowed down sharpening whetstone speed? I don't think I saw that in the patch notes, and I didn't notice it just by playing pre and post 3.0 update, so I'm interested to hear a bit more about that. Thanks for the vid btw!

[@Gravyon]

@@salderin Sort of. While it wasn't a direct nerf to sharpening speed, we do have less access to Speed Sharpening due to the lack of level 1 slots on the Valstrax armor. As such, it takes 2-3x as long to sharpen our weapons as it did last patch.

[@salderin]

@@Gravyon ah I missed the context, that makes sense right away now. Thanks for the quick reply 👌

[@Gravyon]

@@marvikv2505 Hey, this isn't really the place to advertise a non-meta set. If you want to make a build guide, please do so on your own channel or on one of the many MH Subreddits. Extensive work was done to math out optimal sets for this patch and it is really uncool of you to post multiple times advertising your own set, especially when it is massively behind the meta sets. Looking over the set itself, initial estimates put it behind even the healing horn sets of the 2.0 patch both in healing capacity and in damage output. I'm not saying don't play what you want but this channel especially is not the place you should come to to post sets that "don't work in single player".

[@yuzucheese7715]

Thanks for the build, I got a WW2 3-2-0 charm which is perfect for this build!

[@Shayqi]

Appreciate the vid, don't have much time to play right now so it's good to have some pointers.

[@Red_Rem]

Dude I was thinking about how support builds are just dead now that Dragonheart is a meta set. That blows. I loved the healing horn in multiplayer. Good video though man. Thank you for calculating the EFR lol so many build videos claiming “new meta” don’t include any details like this. You did a lot a work for this video and it’s appreciated.

[@Gravyon]

It's not just me. Glass in the Horn Pub discord helped loads with getting these sets ready in a timely manner. We really wanted to share good information and make sure that the community was well informed what the best DPS options are. As for healing horn, I feel you on that front. I'm definitely more of a min/max player, myself so I never touched it but I know a lot of the community liked being able to heal bomb while doing damage. Luckily, dragonheart makes you tanky enough that the need for healing horn has also diminished greatly. Now, instead of providing heals, you'll be providing powerful offensive buffs with Attack Melody 2 and boosting your group's dps to cut down on fight time, and thus the chance that someone will cart.

[@Red_Rem]

@@Gravyon Wow wasn’t expecting a direct reply. I usually play meta DPS sets, but the healing horn was a fun change of pace for a while. Just feels kind of bad to have it become so much less viable as a play style along with the silkbind move which was only used for that play style to begin with. But the Dragonheart is really good DPS and super comfy so it’s definitely not a sad day. Definitely gonna subscribe to see your thoughts on later meta changes. Thanks again.

[@bellgrand]

@@Red_Rem If you want to play Healing Horn, you still can. Most teams still benefit more from double heals with Bead than one person being able to deal a bit more damage. I guess the calculus only changes if there are multiple people running Valstrax builds, but I have not been seeing that in my random team hunts.

[@Red_Rem]

@@bellgrand that’s true. I’m sure the Val set will become more frequent as time goes on. But I don’t think it will make support builds completely obsolete. We’ll have to see exactly how big of an impact it has. Thankfully, I make my support builds last.

[@Gravyon]

The biggest thing is just be mindful of what your team is using. HH is not the only weapon using Dragonheart so you'll likely start to see more and more of it online as information spreads.

[@MetaRam]

"Healing horn is officially dead." AWWWWW.

[@sabetwolf]

Was a pleasure helping with the sets! Great vid!

[@donteatglass3472]

I know this is a couple of months old now, but would stamina thief be a good alternative to the single slots used for speed sharpen/flinch free?

[@Griffted]

Taking notes.

[@sirmazarin]

Thanks for making this video! I was looking for new ideas and hunting horn sets that are somewhat comparable to the set I campe up with. I'm currently running the Rampage S HH with the following skills: Attack Boost 7 Agitator 4 Resuscitate 3 Dragonheart 3 WEX 3 Speed Sharpening 3 critical eye 2 stun resistance 2 and Horn Maestro My charm is a 2 - 1 - / Agitator 3 But I wish I had that Handicraft charm, staying in blue sharpness isn't that hard but I'd love to have white.

[@JanusHoW]

I know this video is almost exactly a year old, but what do you think of the Reddnaight Ritmico (Valstrax HH) in terms of running support while still doing damage? Its appeal for me is that the Ritmico's song list is probably the best one possible for pure offense - Element Attack Up, Attack & Affinity Up and Sonic Wave. Meanwhile, the Rampage Agitato S with Attack Melody II has the limited-use Tremors Negated instead. Granted, the Ritmico doesn't pack nearly the same raw as the Rampage Agitato S, but it has extremely long white sharpness like all Valstrax melee weapons, essentially meaning you only need to sharpen maybe twice per hunt, meaning more time in the fight and keeping everyone's buffs up. It probably goes really well with someone using elemental SnS or DB.

[@Gravyon]

I like the songlist on that horn but it damage is just so low that it's just simply not worth the materials to craft it. It had some potential in Sunbreak but the raw is still mega-low compared to other horns of the same element. Even the final boss horn is significantly better, having more raw, 80 hits of purple sharpness, and a similar songlist. I love Valstrax as a monster but they did my boy's HH dirty.

[@Gravyon]

And in typical fashion, we re-ran the numbers and the Valstrax horn is actually really good in Sunbreak. It's a bit behind Shagaru's horn if you're up keeping atk up via Bead, but it's way comfier to use.

[@JanusHoW]

@@Gravyon Nice to know. I'm maybe 1-2 hunts away from unlocking MR Valstrax, so it'll be up there on my list of things to max out.

[@ZeroRulz0]

I guess it's a good thing i have an attack 3 charm with a lvl3 and 2 lvl1 slots lol

[@fireshadow4723]

which melding i have to do to get an attack boost 3 lvl 2 charm?

[@MACnCHEESE110]

Thank you for the informative video. Look forward to more build videos. Wanted to throw a HH set together and turns out I have a attack3 lvl 2 deco slot talisman. Made the build and am doing good damage while being a tank. Very fun.

[@sinteleon]

Assuming someone else is running attack rampage, how is Wild grunt?

[@riossaleem]

It was replaced by TIgrex and Bazel

[@sinteleon]

@@riossaleem I don't see how it was replaced, doesn't Wild grunt still have better raw assuming someone else provides the attack buffs? (the other two are obviously better when you're the only HH, but that wasn't my question)

[@Gravyon]

Yeah, if someone else is running Attack Up Song, and you've got the required handicraft in your set to get Wild Grun to white sharpness, it is in fact the go to weapon for multiplayer. That said, it's exceedingly far behind for solo play.

[@AjaniGoldmaneFFXIV]

Thx for the video! it really helped! i was pretty lost when it comes to new meta builds. But also I hate how important talismans are for builds, but tiz life

[@Gravyon]

Yeah, it's a bit rougher this patch but at least WW3 2-0-0 is a reasonable charm to farm.

[@Zedaso]

Great video, is this still up to date though? Playing on PC and it's still new to PC!

[@Gravyon]

Sorry for the late reply but it certainly is! PC launched at the same patch as Switch is currently at so every set here should be good to go for your endgame needs.

[@BroMan-42]

I recently started a new save on rise and I’m only using the HH, because I didn’t touch it with my main account

[@sirspanks69]

THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS VIDEO OUT! I have been searching since 3.0 dropped lmao

[@Gravyon]

Glad to help! It generally takes a bit of time for us to run the numbers on sets and to make sure that we didn't miss anything. This was a huge collab project with the Horn Pub discord and without them I would never have gotten this video out as quickly as I did.

[@MurryTic]

Thanks for the vid. It made me realized how unlucky I am with the talisman farming so far. :'(

[@Gravyon]

I feel your pain. This is the first build video where I've had to use the set builder and other people as a way to show sets off. :(

[@Jeneral_Jenkins]

Did this weapon get its melodies changed? I don't see attack and affinity up on this weapon. I see Earplug (S) Health Recovery (S) Sonic Wave. Did something change?

[@Gravyon]

You'll want to add the Attack Melody 2 ramp up to the weapon. That changes the song list to the one used in the guide.

[@Jeneral_Jenkins]

@@Gravyon Awesome, thank you!

[@AndreaGiuseppeCastriotta]

Amazing video, thanks a bunch for the builds and the EFR calculations! But, sorry, I had to be that guy... Agitato is read "a-G-tato" (you can think of it like it was written "Ajitato" with the J a bit more "harsh") Apologize I kept hear it and weirded me out ahah Anyway you got a new sub :)

[@devin538]

I‘m not sure wether to use the Attack up IV, Sharpness type I or IV. Can someone please help me decide what‘s the best option?

[@zaneloke9933]

What is the ramage setup, we need for the Ramage Agitato S HH?

[@Gravyon]

Depending on your charm, you'll either be using Attack Boost IV or Sharpness Type 1 Ramp-up. The recommended Average Jho build runs Attack Boost IV. The other 2 ramp-ups haven't changed from last patch: Non-element Boost and Attack Melody II.

[@zaneloke9933]

@@Gravyon Hey man, how does is the godly charm looks like for all HH build? what skills should it have?

[@Gravyon]

A god charm would be something like WW3 / AB3 3-1-1, but the odds of getting that charm legitimately are basically 0. It is so astronomically rare that I doubt any player will ever see one drop.

[@BroMan-42]

What’s your stream times? I’ve been trying to catch your streams, but I’ve forgotten your stream times

[@Gravyon]

I stream pretty infrequently atm. New Job and WoW raid schedule has got me pretty swamped but once things quiet down I'll be back to streaming again. The best way to catch the stream is to either follow me on twitter (@Graveon) or to turn notifications on on twitch so it notifies you when I go live. :)

[@joshuaroberts2984]

What's going to hit harder on a build like this.... having Attack 200 w/ white sharpness or Attack 230 w/ blue sharpness? I'm referring to the Agitato S of course.

[@Gravyon]

So we did some testing and the 30 raw difference with blue is quite a bit higher than 200 with White. 30 raw difference is 15% more damage at a baseline but since it's weapon raw, it gets scales by the % increases from Attack Boost, Dragonheart, and Attack Up Song, giving it even more value. TL;DR Sharpness Type 4 is a trap. Attack Boost IV is way better in every scenario.

[@lokyanvanadis9951]

Thanks for the informative content, I just wanted to point out that while you say sharpening is not that easy 30 hits of white still requires a lot of sharpening in a regular hunt due to HH losing it so fast, that's why since you have to sharpen anyway protective polish 3 might be comfier and it allows more build flexibility since you only need 1 handicraft deco ro reach white. You lose some points of attack but as long as you have 4 points it's enough, currently with a level 3 AB charm with 2 level 1 slots and 5p Valstrax I can fit in AB4, protective polish 3, handi 1, horn maestro and 3 speed sharpening and flinch free. Basically the last build where you trade raw for comfort and doesnt require a god charm.

[@Gravyon]

That is an option, yes, but in general the amount of damage you lose by dropping to AB4 is significantly more than the dps you gain by staying in white for a bit longer. Unlike most weapons, hunting horn has to scale a second damage type, shockwave damage, that cannot crit or do ele/status but ignores hitzones. It's 35-40% of our damage on good hitzones but is way more as hitzones get worse. Stacking raw is extremely important to scaling this value. From our testing, a better solution is to simply mount your dog and sharpen while riding around to avoid sitting in one place if you cannot fit in enough Speed Sharpening.

[@elrumorli]

Hello, what is EFR?, Effective Raw maybe?

[@Gravyon]

Yep! EFR is the abbreviation for Effective Raw. HH isn't much of an elemental weapon, but if it ever does get some elemental options, we'd use EFE for that (effective element).

[@elrumorli]

@@Gravyon I see, thank you so much, your to kind, I've been enjoying the HH write a lot, thanks for the great video!

[@trishaaldatt9063]

Why don’t people use the narga hh, also why is crit boost no longer used anymore? I made a narga hh and was able to fit attack boost 7 with crit boost lv 3 is that not good?

[@Gravyon]

So Hunting Horn has 2 different damage types: Normal Hits, which can crit and do elemental damage, and shockwave hits, which cannot crit or deal elemental damage but ignore hitzones. Shockwaves are between 35-40% of our overall damage and don't benefit from crit at all. Because of this crit is significantly worse for Hunting Horn than it is for other weapons. The Narga horn also has incredibly low raw compared to the current meta horns, so that combined with crit not scaling as well for HH, has left that particular horn in the dust. It's not a bad horn if you're still grinding through the game, but if you've gotten to Valstrax and have access to Rampage Agitato S and the Valstrax armor, then the Narga Horn is completely outclassed.

[@trishaaldatt9063]

@@Gravyon I got the valstrax armor when that monster got released so it’s been a long time since then, should I just sell narga hh cuz I thought since it has white sharpness n 40% crit it would be good, my current narga build with hh has wex 3, crit boost 3, attack 7 and masters touch, also should I sell my tigrex hh as well just stick with rampage hh. I was going to make it later on. I do understand why u said to use valstrax armor, I saw a speed runner with valstrax armor n rampage hh.

[@nuke2099]

Think I'm going to have two sets. Tigrex HH for solo and the exact same set but for Rampage for multiplayer. I'm guessing you go attack ramp on the Rampage horn now due to Sharpness 1 not being enough without Handicraft?

[@Gravyon]

Pretty much. The raw gained from the attack ramp-up has reached a point this patch where it's able to account for not having white sharpness. Sharpness 1 is still strong but it requires a lot rarer charms to make it work.

[@liamduggan5322]

Do you need the wirebug talisman if you’re using the rampage horn?

[@Gravyon]

Wirebug Whisperer 3 is an incredibly powerful skill for hunting horn. Unless you're running one of the variations of the set that can't fit it in (though those require incredibly rare charms), WW3 100% recommended.

[@Kratosauron0]

Hold on. I don't understand the part where you get a Wirebug Whisperer charm by doing Moonbow melding for Weakness Exploit. How are those two skills related to each other?

[@Gravyon]

So the idea is that you select any skill with a 10% or lower chance. The goal is to not get that skill to show up, allowing Wirebug Whisperer the chance to appear in the 1st slot on charms, which is the only slot where it can reach level 3. Basically, you're hoping to get a WW3 2-0-0 or WW2 2-2-0 charm from the misses on that melding method. Hope this clarifies things!

[@Kratosauron0]

Thanks for the info! I was also curious how you know that this method gives you a higher chance on getting Wirebug Whisperer compared to just going for it normally (i.e. Haze melding). Or, are there probability tables that shows what the 90% chance of not getting Weakness Exploit contains? Cause that would also be pretty useful.

[@Gravyon]

@@Kratosauron0 Basically, the drop tables from melding were datamined pretty early on and 3Geek14 in the Horn Pub discord has been working on a tool that runs the probability of different charms using that data. It's not ready yet but it's been used to give us the chance at a few charms in particular.

[@locomo_mh7747]

it's great seeing these videos get more popular and more people get informed on how to deal the biggest of deeps :D

[@Ultimalice]

Is it worth slotting in Evade Window and Evade Extender for players less skilled at dodging enemy attacks?

[@Gravyon]

That can help some if you feel it's needed. As with any meta set, swapping out a few decorations for some comfort skills is totally a matter of preference. You'll definitely lose some damage but it's not the end of the world.

[@BroMan-42]

Woah, I didn’t know you had a YT channel!

[@stephenjohn2131]

Im so sorry to ask, but wouldn't it be better if you sit at 100 affinity? Weakness exploit only ever gives you 50% and tigrex HH has negative 20, it will take 7 levels of critical eye, WE3 and maximum might 3 to be 100% because your critical hits do more damage because of critical boost 3. But i don't think it will be possible to slot in all those, unless iam missing something please someone inform me, thanks in advance!

[@Gravyon]

So, unlike other weapons, hunting horn doesn't gain nearly as much from stacking crit as other weapons do. This is due to hunting horn having 2 different kinds of damage that it does: Normal hits, which can crit and apply element/status, and Shockwave Hits, which cannot crit or apply ele/status but are hitzone independent, meaning they always deal damage like the hitzone on the monster is 100. Shockwave damage is 35-40% of our damage on reasonable hitzones and more than that on bad hitzones so it's really important that we scale this value as much as possible. The only ways to scale is are more Raw, higher sharpness modifiers, and the Horn Maestro skill, which provides a 10% damage increase to it. Because of this, it actually ends up being significantly more damage to stack as much raw as possible than it is to stack crit. We ran the numbers of crit sets compared to dragonheart stacking and crit is pretty far behind. Comparing last patch's Tigrex WW3 set with the current one (which was a favorite of not only the theorycrafters but also a large number of Hunting Horn Speedrunners), Crit was only about 6.6 EFR behind but it was 61 Shockwave EFR behind. That's a HUGE amount of damage loss. We also don't have many slots to spare this patch and there's just no space to stack both more raw to scale Shockwave hits and crit. Hope this helps!

[@bellgrand]

@@Gravyon From what I have seen, the faster the run, the higher the percentage of shockwave damage too.

[@itsturniptime3699]

While the first set most likely outdamages my current one that I had from 2.0 but now with Strax gloves, I can’t help but feel incredibly on edge when I’m not at full or near full health. I have this constant fear of miraculously getting one shot so not being at full health is an immediate panic sign for me Seriously the number of times I’ve had a Rajang pin me and then rip off over half my health with the punch and carting me is just sad

[@Gravyon]

I know it seems counter intuitive but having Dragonheart active actually makes you INCREDIBLY tanky. For example, Apex Los has a 1 shot fireball attack with a pretty serious wind up. With Dragonheart active, I face tanked it and only took half of my HP in damage. The full set also has over 500 defense when maxed out so you are a seriously beefy hunter, even with only 79% HP. These sets blow the 2.0 sets completely out of the water so I'd recommend upgrading as soon as you can.

[@itsturniptime3699]

@@Gravyon I now have the full set and realize that it also gives a flat 50+ resistance to ALL elements when active I feel much safer now except Rajang, he still scares me the most

[@bellgrand]

@@Gravyon But most sets from 2.0 have ~400 defense. Formula for damage reduction is 80/(80+def). Valstrax then has 0.8/(80/(80+500)) = 5.8x eHP and 2.0 sets have 1/(80/(80+400)) = 6x eHP It seems you lose a bit of eHP, but you do get the elemental resists. I am not sure if it's INCREDIBLY tanky like an immortal build.

[@Gravyon]

Compared to previous sets, it lets you survive loads more elemental 1 shot attacks. Also, it actually gains damage with this beef, rather than sacrificing everything to stack far too much defense. Not a single reason to run a build stacking that much defense since, while you might not take as much damage per hit, you certainly will extend the time you are in the hunt, thus increasing the likelihood that you will get hit. Overall, "immortal builds" are memes that don't function well enough at what they claim to do while also actively making it harder to kill the monster. The best way you can support your team and survive hunts is to kill the monster.

[@jhongamer-gc4ee]

@@bellgrand consider, the valstrax armor hits a nice balance of amazing damage output while having excellent survivability against the attacks that count, the big super moves. While true not as tanky as "immortal" builds, your hunts are much shorter using the val armor therefor you have less opportunities to get hit with a super move.

[@geraldthegoose1685]

How do you get the handicraft talisman

[@Gravyon]

You get all charms in this game via the melding system. I learned recently that HC charms are rarer than I thought, so I would honestly recommend aiming for the WW3 2-0-0 charm instead. If you can make good use of the additional ES uses, it's set is arguably better, despite being at a lower EFR / Shockwave EFR. If you are deadset on wanting the HC2 charm, I recommend using Rebirth Melding. Here are your odds for the one with a single level 2 slot: Wisp of Mystery, 3 points: 1-in-114352, 15853 quests for 50% chance, 0.00087% (exact value: 1749/200000000) Rebirth, 3 points: 1-in-66322, 15324 quests for 50% chance, 0.00151% (exact value: 193/12800000) And here are the odds for one like the one that I have: Wisp of Mystery, HC2 3-1-1: 1-in-6504066, 901655 quests for 50% chance, 0.00002% (exact value: 123/800000000) Rebirth, HC2 3-1-1: 1-in-3516484, 812481 quests for 50% chance, 0.00003% (exact value: 91/320000000) By comparison, the WW3 2-0-0 charm is 144 quests worth of Moonbow melds using the method that I described in the video to get the same 50% odds.

[@geraldthegoose1685]

@@Gravyon since i dont have HC on the build would it be better to have AB IV instead of the Sharpness type 1?

[@Gravyon]

Yes. Without the HC charm, I would recommend running the Wirebug Whisperer build instead of the HC build. It's significantly easier to farm the needed charm for and can use either the Tigrex Horn or the Rampage Horn with AB IV. If you don't have the needed WW charm for that build, you can use the following link to check out an even more budget option that we prepared as an interim while people farm the WW3 2-0-0 charm. www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunterMeta/comments/nnedsw/horn_pub_version_30_meta_hh_sets/

[@geraldthegoose1685]

@@Gravyon okay so i have WB3 2-1-0, i just replaced the handicraft talisman with that and got all the same skills minus HC

[@Gravyon]

@@geraldthegoose1685 You'll want to aim for Dragonheart 5, AB6, and Horn Maestro in addition to WW3 on that set. That particular build is full Valstrax armor. It should be the first set mentioned in the video.

[@nickthompson4943]

is valstrax horn really that bad when you consider valstrax soul WITH its armor along with its element, power, and affinity up? if anything it’s a element HH

[@Gravyon]

So the issue with that is that nearly 40% of hunting horn's attacks cannot deal elemental damage. Any shockwave hit is unable to deal any elemental damage at all, making elemental horns pretty mediocre outside of a few very niche speed running scenarios. For a weapon that does so much raw damage, having 160 raw, even with the god tier song list that the valstrax horn has, is a death sentence. Yes, you can use it with the soul and it's armor but even that is not enough to make up for just using a better HH with the full valstrax set.

[@nickthompson4943]

@@Gravyon ah I did not know that, thanks for the clarification. Truly damning that there are attacks that don’t benefit from element. Jeres hoping element is actually meta in G rank/Master rank when they do eventually add it. I always felt it made more sense to specialize for a monster to max out your damage.

[@kocokan]

Not much channel discuss hunting horn

[@Gravyon]

It's sad, honestly. The weapon is so fun.

[@datboi7116]

can you still get the attack lv 3 and two slot charm in the current patch of the game?

[@niklasmitfussl2639]

Yes.

[@Gravyon]

Yes. It's still available but very rare. Getting a 50% shot at it is something like 2400 quests worth of Wisp of Mystery melds on average.

[@trentcain422]

Im new to Hunting Horn, and I got a Horn Maestro Slugger 2 3-2-1. Did I get lucky or should I try and get something else?

[@Gravyon]

Slugger is pretty mediocre. It's weak enough in this game that you're almost never going to get another KO out of it. That charm isn't bad but you're much better off trying to farm the WW3 2-0-0 charm.

[@ShadamAran]

What does efr mean

[@Gravyon]

EFR stands for Effective Raw. It's the main way that we calculate damage for raw weapons.

[@ShadamAran]

@@Gravyon Thank you for the response! I also noticed you are running shockwave and performance mode, are those optimal?

[@Gravyon]

@@ShadamAran For silkbinds, Earthshaker is your go to. As for the melody modes, both performance and echo do similar damage and are kind of match-up dependent. I prefer echo but there's no issue with using performance.

[@sailorstarprincess]

Why no crit boost?

[@Gravyon]

This is mostly due to some 35-40% of the hunting horn's damage not being able to crit. Crit boost is a nice damage increase but since our shockwaves can neither crit not apply elemental damage, crit boost loses a lot of value compared to just stacking more attack, which does scale shockwave damage.

[@PabloEscobar-jz1js]

Hi, I main hunting horn but I haven't used it since 1.0 since it was a personal goal of mine to learn all the other weapons! I'm really interested in the first set with Wirebug Whisperer 3. Would you happen to know the odds of getting that WW2 + Slot2-2 talisman from Moonbow? Also since shockwave damage scales with raw, does that mean it's affected by sharpness? If so, then would it be worth considering dropping the 6 attack Boost gems for 3 Protective Polish/Master's Touch/Razor Sharp and 3 Crit Boost?

[@Gravyon]

For the WW2 2-2-0 / WW3 2-0-0 charm, you'd need about 144 quests worth of moonbow to have a 50% chance of getting it. Considering that you can cart to the Rajang arena quest to cycle your melds, this is actually surprisingly doable. Just set 10 melds, cart to rajang 10 times (this averages about 30 seconds per quest) and cycle through your melds until it drops. Shockwave damage is affected by 3 things: Raw, Sharpness Modifier, and Horn Maestro. For this reason, we want to stack as much raw possible to maximize our damage. As such, I would not recommend Protective Polish, Master's Touch, or Razor sharp as the benefits simply aren't worth the loss of the damage from those 6 attack boost decos. Also, for the WW3 set, you don't tend to have much crit chance, so running crit boost simply isn't enough damage to make up for the lack of raw. Also, since 35-40% of our damage can't crit, crit in general is a lot less valuable than Raw.

[@TCstorm08]

why isnt squeezing in 1 level of crit boost worth it??

[@Gravyon]

Hunting horn scales a bit differently than other weapons. 35-40% of our damage (on average) is what's called Shockwave Damage. This damage cannot crit or deal elemental damage/status but ignores monster hitzones. Since 35-40% of our damage can't crit, we don't get nearly as much value out of crit boost as we do just stacking more raw, which does scale this damage type.

[@ShadamAran]

I have a counter strike 3 charm... why wirebug whisperer

[@Gravyon]

Wirebug Whisperer allows you to increase your EPH (Earthshakers per Hunt). Earthshaker is a huge portion of our overall damage (despite only getting a few uses per quest) and getting more earthshakers is a huge damage increase. The reason that we don't recommend counterstrike is because it actively punishes you for getting better at the game. If you don't get hit, you don't get the damage buff.

[@solstre2949]

I found him I found the duck with the horns

[@Arteksoff]

Dang...I guess I have to switch up my healing horn build :/

[@Gravyon]

Yeah, healing horn is officially dead but with how much tankier Dragonheart makes you compared to previous meta sets, it's not really a big deal. Your team will get more out of the damage buffs you'll be providing as well, so it's a win-win.

[@cuoi2051]

Could you imagine having good attack talismans. I can imagine 🤣

[@thenerdbeast7375]

I am really starting to resent Valstrax armor, I hope it gets nerfed in Sunbreak.

[@sigh7310]

4:05 4:40

[@huanrl1138]

wtf is that 3 handicraft jewelry lol

[@Gravyon]

Technically it's Handicraft2 3-1-1. I just also have a handicraft decoration in it, so it shows Handicraft 3 for the skills on the charm. Definitely not the way I would have designed that interface, but what can you do?

[@huanrl1138]

@@Gravyon lol I know dude but it's still a piece of art, you are blessed mate

[@winslow1159]

“Be mindful of what your fellow hunters are running and don’t bring your heal horn.” Omg thank you for saying that. I’ve seen horn bros bring heal horn and heal dogs with full valstrax sets. You’re not helping.

[@bellgrand]

The most frustrating thing right now is watching Valstrax SA players cart. We just failed a routine Teo hunt because these people refuse to heal and think they're invincible to breath attacks or something.