Top Ten Games That Fell From Grace

[@LeahLovesNature]

I'd like to give a shout-out to another honorable mention: Bendy and the Ink Machine. When that game first came out, the Internet gobbled it up; even after just the first two chapters, there were fan songs, comics, animations, and theory videos all over KZbin. But things really slowed down after the last two chapters were released, because the finale suffered from "Game of Thrones syndrome" and the devs went radio silent, changing names and starting, then cancelling another game. Then, in the eon it took to get the sequel out, the devs were exposed for some really crappy behind-the-scenes behavior (rushing, overworking, and ultimately firing employees en masse, not to mention lying about how much of the story they had planned out) and everyone began to see BATIM as nothing but an old Disney-style Bioshock ripoff.

[@alijahaskew4644]

I'm still salty about how Bendy and the Ink Machine turned out and what happened to its development team, especially cause I was a fan of it in middle school when it came out. At least Dark Revival was an improvement.

[@tonysonic456]

I actually like BATIM for what it is, but I totally understand why people dislike it. Plus, with BATDR now out, BATIM is pretty much a tech demo.

[@cdesigner9178]

Fair, though I would definitely say that Bendy & the Dark Revival kinda helped to revive the franchise. The story was much better in the sequel, and worked to better explain the original. Doesn't save the first game from being very fetch-questy, but it's definitely looked upon a little better now that the story can be better understood, at least to me.

[@josephsigala6631]

Other shout out you kind of forgot about similar to BATIM that fell from grace is yandere simulator but rather have Game of Thrones syndrome it had duke Nukem Forever development syndrome and it many controversies both about the game or the main dev of the game

[@hackcubit9663]

I never played the game but I remember that, like Hello Neighbor, I was aware of its existence simply by the sheer amount of things like toys and other merchandise that existed for the game. But arguably the best proof that it imploded at some point is that until I read your comment just now, I completely forgot it was a game at all.

[@apollorock3r244]

The sad thing is that even if Conker’s Bad Fur Day does return, it’s not going to have that same shocking impact it had. I heard somewhere that Chris Seavor, Conker’s creator and voice, mentioned that it wouldn’t be the same anymore and he grew out of the shock value it had. Guess it’s better off as an one time thing.

[@DarkOverlord96]

Really? It's not like that kind of shock content isn't around anymore.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@DarkOverlord96 Yes but shocking content in a platfomer??? That's a kinda a hard sell now a days.

[@JoshioE110]

So if Conker was to be in next Smash Bros game either a base or DLC newcomer, would it still have the same impact or not?

[@orangeslash1667]

@@JoshioE110 Fun Fact: Conker's final Boss is an Xenomorph. Since Ridley from the Metroid series is based on the Xenomorph, we can pretend your playing the final boss. Conker's multiplayer usually has solders using explosives. Snake also does that, so don't think Conker is needed.

[@synchaos9141]

Then like conker the humor should evolve also with other bad fur day

[@krugerfreddy804]

As someone who still loves the characters to this day, the only thing I got to say about Overwatch is this: It takes a special kind of pain for someone to realize and embrace the notion of cherishing what you had before the cracks of its foundation begin to fester, grow and fall down around it like the city of Rome.

[@ThiccAsh]

Hear hear

[@Hilversumborn]

I'l always respect Shenmue, because thanks to Shenmue, we got the Yakuza series.

[@claytonrios1]

SuperEyepatchWolf had a great video showing why Shenmue 3 sucked. I particularly love his take on how he would have handled the fight against Lan-Di.

[@Sanodi21]

Not so much video, so much hours long breakdown after almost two decades of waiting

[@claytonrios1]

@@Sanodi21 14 years for a Shenmue filler arc!

[@FlyingFocs]

​@@claytonrios1i thought it was 19

[@orangeslash1667]

@@FlyingFocs Shenmue 2 was released in America in 2002, so it's 17.

[@Superluigi881]

His breakdown when he realised he'd have to do the fortune teller gambling again was golden. I laughed so hard but at the same time felt his pain.

[@drunkdrag0n]

Something you didn't point out in regards to TF2: Valve have been implementing Summer bugfixes made by the community, with the most recent one completely revamping the summer map Venice, and the little game-breaking spot on the MvM map Coal Town being fixed. More have been planned and are planned to be put in, but exactly when that will happen is still undecided. EDIT: forgot to mention the Saxton Hale maps have been completely fixed as well, with the score limit now set so you don't go above 25 rounds.

[@HB-fq9nn]

It’s sad that Valve is pulling a Bethesda though, letting the community fix their errors and mistakes for them. No community should have to fix the game by themselves.

[@drunkdrag0n]

@@HB-fq9nn You're not wrong. At this point even those updates are better than none, and that's really disheartening to say.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@HB-fq9nn At least Valve allows it. Nintendo never allows anyone to touch their games with mods.

[@seantaggart7382]

​@@HB-fq9nnwell i say actually to give full control to the community That way Valve can handle steam and We get tf2 to live

[@greatsageclok-roo9013]

@@orangeslash1667 Except for the old ones that they no longer care about. Mario Kart Wii's modding scene, for instance, is pretty active. But, yeah, anything recent will earn you a C&D on the nuclear scale.

[@alijahaskew4644]

Seeing Hello Neighbor in the honorable mentions hurts. I'm still salty about how that game turned out. Hello Neighbor's concept is a really cool and unique idea for a horror game and the first 2 betas were excellent proof of that. Not perfect, but still really good. But then Tinybuild just HAD to try to be the next Five Nights at Freddy's, dropped everything that made the first two betas good, and gave us a buggy, kid friendly mess.

[@tonysonic456]

Yeah, that original game is just the pits. But hey, it appears they're improving slightly. Hello Neighbor 2 and Hello Neighbor Search and Rescue were decently solid games.

[@MasterZebulin]

A Horror game should NEVER just go "kid friendly". Certain things just should not be marketed to kids. Once that happens, you've already lost. I'm looking at you, Five Night's at Freddy's.

[@tonysonic456]

@@MasterZebulin 100% agreed. FNAF neutered itself to a detrimental degree despite kids being interested in the games before, and Hello Neighbor is incapable of being scary. Meanwhile, Poppy Playtime and Bendy are more than willing to dive into their horror. I mean, have you seen the recent Poppy Chapter 3 trailer?

[@MasterZebulin]

@@tonysonic456 No, but I *have* seen them attempt to market toys to children.

[@tonysonic456]

@@MasterZebulin Well yeah, their characters are based on toys and Disney-esque cartoons. Kids are going to be attracted to them no matter what. The important thing is that unlike FNAF, neither wants to abandon the horror they pride themselves on.

[@Rixec2]

I would have loved to see Pokemon XY get a Pokemon Z to improve on things, as there was a good basis there. Heck, I love the Looker Detective Agency story and would have loved to see that get turned into a part of the main story, giving us a reason to go and investigate Team Flare, the legends, and mega evolution.

[@erkantiryaki5542]

It is too late for that. 5-6 years later we might get a remake maybe with a better story, better villains, a better champion, better rivals, better gym leaders, a better implemented gimmick with those game might be good.

[@seirramoon388]

I'd say wait until generation 12 if the holding pattern still applies by that point.

[@fanfictiondreamer7836]

I actually love that game. It's the first game where I was able to catch every known Pokemon in existence at the time.

[@notscorchingsands9718]

@@erkantiryaki5542 5-6 years? Maybe 25

[@Takisan111]

Man, they always kept setting Looker up to be someone worth paying attention to, like he was going to be important somewhere down the line. And then they drop him completely. Waste of a perfectly good character.

[@jacobnardone9325]

8:01 Good news, the original team behind Shadow Hearts is working on a spiritual successor called Penny Blood and the team behind Wild Arms is making Armed Fantasia. From what I've seen, they look fantastic! Great video as usual, Josh. Hope you and your family are doing well!

[@Vallite_God]

Gotta say I completely agree with #1&2 being in their positions, those are honestly the two games that came to mind for me instantly that fell from grace.

[@Aslimb6gd]

Well, I wonder what list you could make next. Top ten games that deserve remakes? You know, games that couldn't meet the standard due to time, budget, and/or technology issues, and had a lot of their best content be it gameplay, writing, or other cut due to these issues, and could be further improved based on fanwork or other successful games with similar ideas. Just an idea.

[@KrimsonKattYT]

Xenogears instantly comes to mind as a game desperately needing a remake. That game's story is absolutely legendary and the gameplay is incredibly unique, but the game is plagued by dated controls and visuals as well as a unfinished story that skips from the end of act 2 straight to the final dungeon with a text scroll in-between summarizing the rest of the plot because of budget and time constraints. If that game got an HD2D treatment like Live A Live and especially Star Ocean 2, I would scream. It would be a dream come true, but it's very unlikely since the IP is owned by Square Enix and the entire development team behind Xenogears became monolithsoft, got bought by Nintendo, and has made a far more popular spiritual successor series in Xenoblade that is just about to begin it's second arc. Unless Nintendo and Square agree to jointly work on the game with monolithsoft and Square Enix's HD2D studio team up to develop it with both Nintendo and Square publishing it, I don't see a Xenogears HD2D remake happening anytime soon.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@KrimsonKattYT Tetsuya Takahashi said that he wanted to make his own game, which led to Xenogears. Even if it was a rough development. The goods news is that he was also involved with Crono Trigger.

[@Aslimb6gd]

@@KrimsonKattYT An excellent example!

[@seantaggart7382]

Hmm One of those spots for me would be spore I LOVED the game as a kid It deserves to be remade Oh and metal gear rising CMON GUYS!

[@orangeslash1667]

@@seantaggart7382 You can still play Revengeance on Mac.

[@giloguy101]

"got into NFT's" Well thats a death nell to an already near dead franchise if ive ever heard one

[@adnankasujja3439]

With The Last of Us, what's interesting is that the developers themselves have admitted that they thought the game would flop (prior to it's release)

[@jadedheartsz]

It could very well have, we've seen ambitious games like Advent Rising that were thought to be surefire hits flopping. I'm glad it didn't though.

[@TommyDeonauthsArchives]

​@@jadedheartsz you sir... are my enemy.

[@jadedheartsz]

@@TommyDeonauthsArchives k troll

[@orangeslash1667]

@@jadedheartsz I think Evil Within 2 is great alternative to Last of Us.

[@jadedheartsz]

@@orangeslash1667 I think both are great in different ways. Don't really see what they have in common with each other though.

[@superweegee6951]

14:34 Not disagreeing with you on The Last of Us being a mid game, but how does that audio log destroy the premise of the plot? The guy did get bit, but not only was his arm amputated, it’s heavily implied that he was still infected despite this with his condition worsening over the course of weeks.

[@princesspixel3151]

I never played Club Penguin, but I still felt the sorrow towards the fallen legacy of the MMO. From what I remembered, Club Penguin was scapegoated for the “massacre” of a lot of Disney MMOs, including Toontown Online. While I know Toontown was lucky enough to be revived by the loving fans (and even some of the former devs!), I never heard anymore of the other games. Meanwhile, Club Penguin inevitably met with the same fate by being shut down. Once again, fans tried to bring the game and its legacy back… but Club Penguin got the short end of the stick. First of all, we have the obvious copyright claim problems from Disney. But the bigger one was when one attempted revival not only got shut down, but some of the people responsible for the attempted revival got ARRESTED! Why? IIRC, it was apparently because of child predatory activity. With that and the toxic community, I wouldn’t be surprised if Club Penguins dying legacy got tainted

[@godzilla4189]

How about an opposite, the top 10 games that were vindicated by History, dismissed at first when coming out, only for it to become far more appreciated. Asura's Wrath, at least in the online spheres I've seen, has become one of these games when a couple of recent games (FF XVI) looked at Asura's Wrath Boss template and ran with it. There's also the fact that Asura himself is such a popular character that he was in the running for being in the top 10 most wanted characters in Capcom's Vs games every year since polling for new characters has been run, and almost was DLC for MVC Infinite. But well, we all saw how that game ended up........

[@greatsageclok-roo9013]

I think he technically already did a list like that... I could misremembering, though.

[@lilsunny7399]

Final Fantasy 14. It was so mediocre, so boring bland and copypaste from 11 that barely anybody actually liked it, then they nuked it and rebuilt. Now look at it.

[@josephgravley3603]

@@greatsageclok-roo9013 Yeah, I think it was called 'Fixed Games'.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@greatsageclok-roo9013 Fun Fact: The producer of Asura Wrath, Kazuhiro Tsuchiya would get to work on Mega man 11, sadly he leave Capcom after that.

[@pokedude720]

Wind Waker and Unova would definitely make that list

[@quintonblackburn3916]

Regarding XY's story and character issues,, apparently the story was supposed to be more ambitious and actually deal with the mystery of Megas and pokemon coming from outer space. Small tidbits of this remain if you know where to look, but when development of the game was running into the unmovable brick wall that is deadlines and the 3D models for pokemon was eating up resources and time as was, Gamefreak had to dial everything back and go with a far less ambitious or impressive story and characterizations. This is also why ORAS and Gen 7 have such emphasis on outer space or other reality themes. As for poor Zygarde, Pokemon Z was in the works but when Iwata died and the Wii U crashed and burned, the resulting fallout meant Pokemon Z got scrapped in favor of getting Gen 7 out faster in order to get Gen 8 on the upcoming Switch out ASAP. Zygarde's forms got relegated to an inconsequential bonus in SM.

[@Twinklethefox9022]

That was sad.

[@somechupacabrawithinternet8866]

rushed sadly ): also no mega flygon

[@mathewricafrente5984]

That kinda shows how Pokémon in 3D needs more time and resources for it to work *well*. Kinda makes me wish GF would go the remake/reimagining route with these games in 2042 or whenever they decide to do it and make the X&Y they couldn't back in 2013.

[@okagron]

Because the games are more and more rushed and Gamefreak can't seem to handle 3D. Even the best efforts in the 3D era reeks of it being rushed out the door.

[@seantaggart7382]

For me the wii u didnt crash and burn It sadly died in its sleep Early on It was lovable for me but i see some issues

[@Takisan111]

I am actually really happy people are finally finding more nice things to say about Pokemon gen 5. I adored that gen when it came out. The world was beautiful, the villains were complex and menacing, and the lack of recognizable Pokemon for most of the game gave me nostalgia back to Gen 1 when I was playing the game for the first time. It was also fun trying to guess what areas were inspired by which real world American locations. Also Snivy was my favorite grass starter for a long time and people are too mean to the monkey trio.

[@stardf29]

It is worth noting that Banjo-Tooie came after DK64, and I see that game as Rare learning lessons on not going too overboard, hence BT being more streamlined. Though I know a number of people don't like how big the game still is, though I personally love the more detailed and interconnected worlds.

[@MuffinHunterX]

I actually kind of like ridiculous collect-a-thons. Challenge myself to see how efficiently I can get everything so DK64 sort of scratched that itch. I also really liked Banjo-Tooie except for it irritating my mind-goblins about being able to actually 100% a level before moving on. And Canary Mary. F**k Canary Mary.

[@Twilight17Petkoton]

​@MuffinHunterX The 2nd round of Canary Mary is too fast?

[@MuffinHunterX]

@@Twilight17Petkoton Managed to get the jiggy on my last play through but gave up on the last spell page.

[@josephgravley3603]

The way I see it for DK64. The issue isn't the overabundance of collectables, let's be honest, that's kinda standard. The problem is the process. 5 characters that can only be swapped via Tag Barrels, and how the collectables are scattered, you are combing each area 5 times. Then there's the Fairies that you can't begin until the 2nd world because you need the camera, then the frustrating challenges for the Golden Bananas and how the races work. That alone can be tiring. That said, while I understand the frustration, I don't mind all that, because if I view each world all a large scale Zelda Dungeon like the Water Temple. Seeing how much I can get done with one character before needing to swap while memorizing the Bananas were is a lot of fun for me. I can see why someone can view that as overbearing and for good reason, but it's those same reasons, why *I* like DK64.

[@josephgravley3603]

@@orangeslash1667 That's funny as shit. Seems like DK64 can be as broken as Sonic 06. For a game as big as this and on the N64, it's not surprising.

[@isenokami7810]

I find it funny how the general consensus on those accolades on Bubsy 3D was that it was all made up, and not it’s that they were real. Even just saying that isn’t exactly the whole truth…well, it kinda is with the Gold X award, not so much the quote. I recommend Nitro Rad’s video on the game-in general, but also pertaining to this-since he gives the reality of that situation a closer look.

[@aidenmclean3327]

Hey with tf2 the community is larger than ever. We just broke the record for player count for the game. The games popularity is actually rising as more players join.

[@andrewhaase1826]

9. To say nothing of the minigames. Beaver Bother still gives me war flashbacks as it will make you question if they even tested this minigame. And then there's the beetle races, where you need to collect 50 tokens on the track and finish the race in first place. The problems: you lose 3 tokens if you run into the beetle, the beetle is really fast, and then there's the track design. The are sections with tight turns, no guard rails, and sections with tight turns and no guard rails. And if you fly off the track, you auto-fail and have to do it again! How to nerf the beetle? Step 1. Cut the beetle's speed. Step 2. Have the player only lose one token when the beetle hits them. Step 3. Have Squawks the Parrot respawn the player when they fly off the track. But this will give the beetle time to catch up. 7. The biggest gripe I have with X3 is the final battle with Kaiser Sigma, they made it too hard by giving him such a MASSIVE defensive hit box. 6. HEY! At least the games are actually playable. Also, although I do love Scarlet and Violet, it has some problems. There are random crashes, still no mega evolutions returning, and battle tower is gone. Battle tower being gone is a big blow, as the base game was lacking this, and Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl had on launch day. Think about that. Lets just hope the DLC brings back Battle Tower. As for X and Y, Shauna, Tierno and Trevor had more time to shine in the anime. Also, Gamefreak, BRING BACK MEGA EVOLUTIONS ALREADY, IT'S BEEN ABSENT FOR TWO WHOLE GENERATIONS IN A ROW!!! 2. Its Warcraft 3 all over again, Blizzard is basically DEMANDING [This is said in South Park's Mickey Mouse impression] "Either you play THIS version, OR NOT AT ALL!" When the only way you can get people to play your game is at gunpoint, IT'S NOT GONNA BE WELL LIKED! AT ALL! Also, 24:00 Smosh clip! 1. "You were the chosen one! Bring balance to the force, not leave it in darkness!"

[@TheGamingEngi]

not gonna lie, despite the flaws, I would say that gen 6 is the best gen that we have gotten in a while.

[@TheMbmdcrew]

Unpopular opinion: Mega Evolution is extremely overrated. It was a popularity contest, only given to Pokémon that were already well-liked. People only love it because it broke the metagame.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@TheMbmdcrew Z-moves in Sun and Moon feel a bit more balanced.

[@manuelvasconcelos8982]

It kinda sucks that nobody talks about overwatch's concept, characters and story without bringing up Activision and blizzard's identical irredeemable ways, i wish someone can save this franchise

[@sunkenobi1501]

I felt sorry for the people who tried to stay cheerful despite everything.

[@justanerd4462]

As it's an honorable mention, I want to say that Spore hit me personally with this. It was the first game I owned and thus a bit special to me. Last month or so I tried replaying it for nostalgia and to try out the Galactic Adventures DLC, but the gameplay felt too outdated to be fun. I planned to challenge myself by doing a more scientific/roleplay-esque run, inspired by Curious Archive's videos, but in the end I was just going through the motions.

[@nnbandicoot1135]

Honestly I agree Last of Us has fallen from grace, I think it’s more of the stuff outside the game, the re-releases, TV show and part 2, I think the game still has a good story and gameplay not the best of either, but still a good time

[@JuanGomez-ke5py]

Phantasy Star online 2 have a better story

[@kingrobotnik6950]

@@JuanGomez-ke5pythat is a lie.

[@kingrobotnik6950]

Honestly, I think Neil Cuckman ruined the beauty of TLOU. Yeah it’s not perfect. No game is. But the little flaws it has can be overlooked. But 2 really dropped the ball. And it dropped it so hard, it hurt the view of the 1st one.

[@mja2317]

The Last of Us 1 came out at a time where gritty, linear brown slow-moving third-person tripe was the standard in gaming. So it's flaws were somewhat masked by its similarity to everything else out. Then the better part of a decade happens. Gaming and innovation moves forward. But the Last of Us 2 is just as bad as the first one in the gameplay department and comes with a less coherent and infinitely more contrived story. It's no wonder that people turned on the franchise.

[@Twilight17Petkoton]

Yeah, the Completionist should be scolded on bad obsessions on The Last of Us part 1 and 2. So the Fiery Joker has a point in the game play that doesn't need more custom guns and a limited inventory.

[@KoroxasHeart]

looking back now, good thing they giving Pokemon Z some justice for Legends ZA

[@ShadowWolfRising]

"A Dubbed Martial Arts Film. Directed by Tommy Wiseau." No, no, no...........People would pay money for that. I'D pay money for that.

[@thegreatmajora13]

It's really amazing how simple it would be to fix most people's issues with DK64. Like, all you have to do is map swapping to a button that you can do on the fly, and the game suddenly becomes infinitely less annoying.

[@andrewhaase1826]

Honorable Mentions: *Warcraft 3 -When Warcraft 3 Reforged was released, Blizzard FORCED ALL COPIES of the original Warcraft 3 to play like Reforged. They're basically DEMANDING "Either you play THIS version, OR NOT AT ALL!" When the only way to get people to play your game is at gunpoint, IT'S NOT GONNA BE WELL LIKED! AT ALL! *Street Fighter -QG talked about this in his Top 10 First Games Syndrome list, and he covers it better than I ever could. *Resident Evil -It's been one hell of a rollercoaster for Resident Evil. From the awkward controls, bad voice acting, and outdated graphics of the original, to the annoying as hell Ashley escort missions of the original RE4, to the loud bombastic Michael Bay style action of the dark age titles like RE5, RE6 and Umbrella Corps, it seems like a miracle that the series was able to bounce back as strong as it did. *Dead Rising -Clunky controls, stupid AI, as well as bosses that are cheap as hell (Isabella Keyes' Boss especially as she can juggle you like a bowling pin with her motorcycle). Also, it just doesn't feel like a Dead Rising game without combo weapons, something that wouldn't be a staple until Dead Rising 2. I'm also not a fan of the in-game timer. Let me plan out my way forward, I don't like to be rushed. But removing the in-game timer turned out to be a double-edged sword for Dead Rising 4. My solution, include a classic and casual mode, similar to how the Fire Emblem franchise handled it. Only one mode has the in-game timer.

[@Dragon66898]

I like he gave Legend of Dragoon a shout out it has a great story and interesting battle mechanics. Has he done a top 10 games with unique mechanics, because I’ve haven’t seen that one’s done else where.

[@KrimsonKattYT]

I know he talked about Legend of Dragoon before on this channel but IDK what video.

[@Dragon66898]

@@KrimsonKattYT I know two but I can barely trust my own memory when it comes to everyday stuff like my own age.

[@samflood5631]

Maybe this game will get a remake someday on the PS5. Here’s a list of improvements to make the game better. 1. Let the players choose their additions during combat instead of changing each addition in the menu 2. Show the weapons of each characters like new swords, rapiers, spears, bows, gloves, hammers and axes 3. Show the hp of each enemy and boss during combat 4. Add a fast travel system so players can go to certain areas like cities or dungeons 5. Use fully voice acted moments in cutscenes 6. Show the enemies in each location instead of a random encounter when the arrow turns red 7. No limit in terms of items like potions and magic items 8. New game plus 9. Update the graphics 10. Fix the script in terms of dialogue 11. Keep the addition system 12. Have more uses of each button during combat like circle, x, triangle and square when using additions 13. Expand upon the minatos as well as the 102 species born from the divine tree

[@davidtimmer596]

@@samflood5631 Knowing Sony, it's gonna be censored, and the girls gonna be uglified to hell and back, so I wouldn't get my hopes up. A spiritual successor to the game may be more likely. And garbage woke localization.

[@samflood5631]

​@@davidtimmer596 Not all of the remakes are bad. Just look at Resident Evil, Medieval and Final Fantasy 7, both games have really great graphics and great voice acting. Plus the gameplay in these games are really promising. Maybe Soul Reaver 1 and 2 and of course Evergrace could get the same treatment both Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Demon's Souls and Shadow of the Colossus had with their games.

[@Michael-bb5dd]

The anime DEFINITELY did Team Flare and Zygarde MUCH better than the Gen 6 Games themselves did.

[@thegrandxbunny2073]

13:23 Fun-But-Also-Not-Fun Fact: Did you know... This game had a cameo in the Adam Sandler Action Comedy, Pixels as an example of how "games aren't about fun anymore. Now it's all about shooting things." Take that as you will.

[@Josh_the_jester]

Hearing that "Golden X award" is real, I can see rabbid luigi's head gears turning when he called "the gold X award" a non-existence

[@AkumaKristian]

The fake award thing is one of those bits of trivia that got said at some point and then just became accepted as fact. At least until Nitro Rad did his Bubsy 3D video a few years back.

[@chayimweinstock443]

Pokémon Black and White was criminally underrated then and it still is now.

[@supermariofan03]

It’s actually my favorite Pokemon generation because of its American like setting and N to me is the most fleshed out Pokemon rival aside from Silver.

[@Shantae1188]

Number 6: No matter what kind of hate Gen 6 gets, I myself can NEVER hate it. Why? It was the Generation that made me the fan that I am now after FireRed left me feeling soulless about Pokémon.

[@LeahLovesNature]

I'm honestly shocked that the #2 game on this list was only #2; I was expecting it to be #1. That game broke my heart more than any other I've experienced. On other notes, thank you for justifying my distaste for The Last of Us (which I largely first acquired because of you, but it hasn't done anything to redeem itself in my eyes). And what you say about Pokemon X/Y just makes me so frustrated that Pokemon can never seem to strike the right balance between fun new game mechanics, quality of life improvements, interesting and beautiful environments, and deep and engaging storytelling. Legends: Arceus checks all of those boxes, but that game is really its own thing, even if it is technically a "main series" game.

[@jadedheartsz]

Last of Us is awesome you crazy

[@jvts8916]

The first Megaman Battle Network. It introduced a brand new system, but that also meant it lacked the tweaks of later games like BN3, 6 or One Step From Eden. There's also several puzzles that didn't appear to be designed with random encounters distracting you halfway through, not helped by the ability to escape taking a slot in your folder. Not to mention the internet being a confusing mess where everything looks the same, even the Undernet. Battle Network 4 met a similar fate. It was praised by reviewers as the best one, but closer examination showed so many cracks that many nowadays consider it to be the exact opposite, give or take some leniency to 1 for being the first. The idea of focusing solely on tournaments turned out to be detrimental, given it gave Nebula little to nothing to do. The writing that made the N1 tournament so beloved is not successfully copied either. There's also the small problem that to access the postgame you must beat the entire game *three times* and as a result it becomes a prime example of a new game + that only makes its game less enjoyable. The reward is also widely regarded to be a copout, having no new bosses besides Bass and the associated area being an obvious reskin.

[@gamerkingdom1442]

Yeah, I completely agree with JOSH about his #5. Not saying it’s a bad game, but gaming hyped this game TOO MUCH!! Very too much…. And don’t get me started with its sequel!!!

[@toongrowner1]

Heck I would even argue it's hype kinda hurt the AAA market. Just look at how many videos are out there about video game (mostly just AAA) not being fun anymore.

[@jameslawrenson1208]

Can someone explain the audio log Josh was talking about?

[@KrimsonKattYT]

@@toongrowner1 Yeah TLOU killed western gaming and especially Sony. Uncharted is responsible too. Every game now has to be "cinematic" and "epic" and "emotional" but who's gameplay is just walking straight for 20 hours while occasionally battling enemies. Western AAA games just aren't fun anymore. They're either boring walking sims with overly gritty and edgy stories or grindy exploitive lootfests filled with microtransations that are online only and usually go down within a year. Luckily we have Japan and indies to keep giving us bangers like Tears of the Kingdom, FFXVI, Bravely Default 2, Xenoblade 3, Elden Ring, Trials of Mana Remake, Live A Live HD2D, Octopath 2, Bravely Default 2, Metroid Dread, SMT5, Kirby & The Forgotten Land, Kirby's Return to Dreamland DX, Pokemon Legends Arceus, Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes, Skywalker Saga, Pikmin 4, Shredder's Revenge, Kaze & The Wild Masks, Neon White, Fuga: Melodies of Steel 1&2, Curse of the Moon 2, Vampire Survivors, Rogue Legacy 2, Hades, and more.

[@seantaggart7382]

​@@KrimsonKattYTindeed Maybe we just have Japan make all our games now?

[@CrazeeAdam]

I think people have to realize that it elevated acting in games a good amount. Music as well. The game play was never going to be the shining star, but the actual acting and everything else, pretty top tier.

[@XanderVJ]

Shocked to not seeing "Skyward Sword" here. When it first came out, it got praise from everyone under the sun, but soon after it got a backlash so fierce that it essentially killed the entire Zelda franchise, forcing Nintendo to reinvent it from the ground up with "Breath of the Wild".

[@seantaggart7382]

What happened? I loved it!

[@megabladechronicles962]

Really? I thought it was the reverse, that people hated the motion controls when it was released but then recognized how good the game was

[@seantaggart7382]

@@megabladechronicles962 I think so Honestly its still a good game to me!

[@megabladechronicles962]

@@seantaggart7382 same, but it was also my first Zelda game so I’m a bit biased lol. But honestly the only criticism of the game that holds water are the controls and even those really aren’t that bad. The dungeons, items, characters, and story are all excellent

[@seantaggart7382]

@@megabladechronicles962 true

[@RayTheSnivy]

I agree with everything you said about The Last of Us.

[@jadedheartsz]

Josh is full of crap

[@JRJuggernaut1]

Honestly, I agree with everything you said about X and Y, and yet I still think I liked it more than the next 3 generations after it. For me, while I do enjoy the idea of changing the structure of pokemon a bit, I didn’t like how it was done in the later gens. For Gen 7, I did not like the island trials and would have preferred regular gym battles, for Gen 8, I didn’t like how little there was to do between gyms and how barren the game felt once you took out the wild area, and for Gen 9, I appreciated the efforts to give you more stuff to do, but the game still felt a little too simplified in traveling from task to task. That being said, while I like the gym battle structure of the old games, I also think Legends Arceus is probably the best Pokémon game to be released in the past decade because it altered the structure of the game in all the right ways, so I am not averse to changing the formula a bit!

[@Santoryu90]

To each their own

[@JRJuggernaut1]

@@Santoryu90 oh trust me I agree, I see the merits of Gen 7-9 and I think there are things about each I prefer to Gen 6, but I guess the change in structure bothered me too much with each later generation to where I may still prefer gen 6 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@akilcharles3473]

@@JRJuggernaut1 Like the other guy said "to each their own" I have no major hatred for any Pokemon game but instead critique for each title. As infamous as to some others that are highly praise like Platinum and Legends Arceus were I still have share of critics with those games. However that being said everyone has their own personal favorite Pokemon game even if it's not as well recieved as for other name titles, for me my personal favorite is gen 7 USUM for how difficult the challenges are, the introduction of regional variants and the story as well the end game content with Rainbow Rocket.

[@JRJuggernaut1]

@@akilcharles3473 see I will admit I only played the base games for gen 7 so I can’t comment on what an improvement the ultra versions might have been! For me, while I do also have my criticisms for my favorite gens, I also have been wanting to see a shift in the formula done for decades because I don’t love how basic the battle system feels at times, which is one of many reasons I loved legends arceus so much despite the lack of gym battles. You can definitely find things to love and criticize with every generation.

[@S3rp3nte]

I think Warcraft 3 deserve a mention, especially what Blizzard did with the "Reforged".

[@nikoladedic6623]

Fell from grace, not turned into trash pile.

[@cdcdrr]

I agree. Between the two Warcrafts, that one definately got done dirtiest of the two. WoW was a gradual descent into mediocrity. When they retroactively forced all the changes of Reforged into Warcraft 3, it fell hard.

[@FF-tp7qs]

I really liked gen 5 when it came out, I never really understood what people disliked about it. X and Y had some things I liked, but the post game was practically non-existent so I didn't play it for very long

[@jaketaller8567]

If I had to say one positive thing for Pokemon X and Y, at least we’re getting Legends ZA.

[@KageDarkAngel]

I definitely loved Gen 5 and still do to this day... even the event Pokemon had a bit of lore given to them in that gen as parts of the story. Then you had PokeStar Studios, hidden grottos, Pokemon Hidden Abilities, the Dream World, the Joint Avenue, the PWT, the Funfest missions... I missed a lot of these features that never returned (outside the Hidden abilities)

[@Shadow11614]

Maybe top 10 games that WERE underrated then but got appreciated now. Examples: zelda windwaker, God Hand, Luigis Mansion

[@jedimasterpickle3]

Honestly I think Pokemon X and Y's biggest flaw is that it's a little undercooked. I still loved what we got, but Kalos is a small, underdeveloped region, and there just wasn't much done with it or the concepts it introduced. We got a little bit more about Mega Evolution in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire but...yeah. There needed to be a Pokemon Z. But Game Freak was doing other things at the time.

[@scudthedisposableassasin1775]

17:32 holy shit a kuze cameo

[@CarbonRollerCaco]

TLOU's ending is also basically a somewhat better version of Prince of Persia '08's, including requiring the DLC to learn the male lead's true motive for saving his female ally from a death intended to save the world beyond merely having feelings for her, said motive being to seek a more workable solution to the force tainting the world and said female ally not being on board with the idea to the point of resenting the male lead. That said, games aren't obligated to have happy endings any more than stories in other mediums are, so "thanks for making me feel like an idiot for being invested", even in the context of the literal investment involved, is dismissing the point of TLOU and PoP '08. And at least TLOU got a sequel to close out its story.

[@AloisAgos]

New idea for a countdown: "Top 10 Spiritual Successor Games" Games that were created to honor dead franchises (Or dead to the developers -_-) by being similar and nostalgic to the cult classics that inspired them. For example, "A Hat in Time" was a throwback to old 3D collectathons like DK64 and Mario Sunshine. "Axiom Verge" was created by a singular man who wanted to recapture the charm of the OG Metroid. "Bug Fables" is basically the old turn-based Paper Mario only GOOD. And "Phoenotopia: Awakening" was everything Zelda II should have been and SO much more (Sucks no one knows about this gem due to poor marketing and sales that killed any hope for the sequel). Heck, you could even argue "Blue Fire" is a worthy spiritual successor to Hollow Knight what with how long Silksong has been delayed (Insert Half Life 3 joke here).

[@derrickhaggard]

Daymare: 1998 deserves to be on that list not only does it prove to be a proper spiritual successor to the OG RE2 aka having classic Survival-Horror gameplay perfectly blended with modern Survival-Horror gameplay, but the small team that made it Invader Studios when they made Daymare: 1998 it was just a small 10-person team. So the fact that a small team of 10 people could make and release a spiritual successor to the OG RE2 while still keeping modern-day Survival-Horror gameplay is amazing.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@derrickhaggard I found another successor to RE, it's called (Evil Tonight). Its available on both Switch and PC.

[@Hilversumborn]

Shovel Knight. Bug Fables: The Everlasting Sapling. Yakuza.

[@AloisAgos]

Oh! Or Bomb Rush Cyberfunk which is basically the Jet Set Radio sequel SEGA never gave us.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@AloisAgos There is Freedom Planet- inspired by Sonic, Owlboy-inspired by the original Kid Icarus, the Last Spell- (for those who are not of fan of how anime Fire Emblem has become), fur squadron- it's basically Star Fox, Astebreed- it's pretty similar to Sin and Punishment, Horizon turbo chase- inspired by Outrun, Tinykin- The devs confirmed that Jak and Daxter was an inspiration, 9 years of Shadow- inspired by Symphony of the Night, The upcoming Anton Blast- its basically Wario Land, Eastward- it's basically Earthbound, finally Ratchet and Clank- It's been confirmed that the series was inspired by Conkers bad Fur Day such as the weird sexual innuendoes.

[@KomaJordan]

12:44 this aged well

[@hour236]

Definitely did with Legends ZA.

[@seantaggart7382]

The best way to explain these games is that one scene in spongebob "Look at you so young and happy!" "Where did the years go by?" Thats what it is

[@RedTygon]

I think to this day I will never understand the hype of The Last of Us, some games just don't feel they deserve the praise.

[@TheTruestZero]

Finally someone with sense that recognize The Last of Us as the mid game it is. The game is good? Yes. It's the Citizen Kane of the gaming world? Heck NO!!! But people had to cricle jerk this thing to hell and back that it turned obnoxious.

[@shadowlinkbds]

Want to know something about Citizen Kane? I think it's an overrated movie imo. But that's off topic. While I did like TLOU1 I think it's far from one of the best games out there myself. Especially on many replays. I can think of others I'd rather play more.

[@Chaos89P]

Seems like those of us who weren't interested in the game in the first place don't have to hide as much any longer.

[@notscorchingsands9718]

@@Chaos89P Hide?

[@joshjones7718]

I knew that game was only decent at best when it came out. The gameplay wasn’t anything to write home about, crafting was what everyone was doing at the time and the multiplayer was another shoe horned in bore fest. Not to mention the story was in my eyes very boring and the ‘twist’ ending of Joel saving Elly was way to obvious. But if you pointed this out around the months after the games release, you got called an Xbox Fan boy or a hater, or even called ‘not a true gamer’. It’s why after I saw Angry Joes review of the game that I couldn’t take anything he said seriously about games, especially since he was clearly giving it praise just for the sake of the likes and views.

[@Chaos89P]

@@notscorchingsands9718 You saw the video? There were more defenders back in the day.

[@donjezza10]

Blizzard has always been infamous for wasting promising concepts, even before the Activision nation attacked. Overwatch was a game that always had me asking "Why is this here?" The characters are amazing and have such interesting backstories. Entire franchises could be based on Widowmaker or Tracer, that's how much potential they had. So then "Why is this here?". Why are they here in a battle royale game? Why create characters that encourage so much interest and emotion from the fanbase, and then put them in a game where watching them die over and over is meant to mean nothing? Oh, and don't get me started on World of Warcraft. I'll actually exceed the comment word limit at this rate.

[@ceruleanwalker1069]

Little did we know how prophetic Arthas' last words would be: "I see only darkness before me."

[@therainbowyoshi817]

Was kinda expecting GTA V to be on here. Never played it myself, but at the time it was released it was one of the best games ever. Now people are mocking it for its 500th rerelease. (Guess Skyrim fits that description too, huh)

[@timewarpchronos3795]

8:08 oh he could be here for hours… NEXT ENTRY!

[@derrickhaggard]

I would have to say the OG RE2 had fell from grace don't get me wrong it was a great Survival-Horror game when it came out but now a days I can see all the flaws that it has. Heck it's spiritual successor Daymare: 1998 managed to bring back classic RE2 style gameplay and mechanics while still keeping modern gaming tropes.

[@thetalltitan2235]

I’m with Josh on The Last of Us when I say the story and concept of realism of said game just wasn’t interesting to begin with. And its cover system? My thoughts on it are no different than Josh’s thoughts on Mass Effect’s cover system. Not to mention all the other great games it overshadowed in 2013 (Super Mario 3D World, BioShock Infinite, Metal Gear Rising, A Link Between Worlds, etc.). *FLAME SHIELD UP*

[@seantaggart7382]

*Harmony Shield Active* i got you buddy! Together AS ONE!

[@KingGargantuas]

Personally I view cover systems in third person shooters like any other game mechanic, it can be done well and done poorly. The Gears franchise imo is a good example of the former, where as games like Spec Ops The Line, though good that game is overall, is an example of the latter for me.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@KingGargantuas It's been confirmed that RE 4 was a big inspiration for Last of us, which explains the hype. The problem is that Vanquish was made by the same guy who made re4, which is also a cover shooter. Further proving that Last of Us is just fine.

[@michaelnelson1127]

Regarding Pokemon Z never materializing, I remember seeing a video that said it was being worked on by a smaller team while a different team was working on Sun and Moon. But then somewhere along the line, Game Freak decided to stop working on Z and put all their attention on Gen 7 to make sure their 20th anniversary games were polished. As for TF2, I have to ask: is it still worth it for new players to join in? I’ve been interested over the years, but never had a gaming PC until now. So would it still be good to start?

[@starmaker75]

As long time TF2, mostly yes. While the match making system is a bit slow and the bots can be annoying. Thankfully the community is aware of blocking bots and the ban system is more aware. Also it is free to play, so if not your thing, your not really going to lose that much money.

[@stakuga0519]

I joined tf2 two weeks ago myself and so far I don't regret it. Yeah, the matchmaking can be annoying and you may encounter a server with bots once in a while but overall it is still playable. I think it's mostly due to the recent summer update, after which the player base rose sharply.

[@okagron]

Shame Sun and Moon weren't polished given how horrendous the lag was and how low in content the games were. And Ultra Sun and Moon didn't do anything to fix it.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@starmaker75 thank you

[@lostmediadetective2590]

The 2023 fails list is going to be interesting

[@DragonShawnK]

As much as I love X and Y, I can understand and see your points. It's one of my favorites, but even I can't deny the flaws.

[@dragonking2248]

I must admit, I agree with Josh with the "Last Of Us". True I liked the idea of the zombies being a fungal infection rather than the typical "virus outbreak", but, I kinda only liked it when I saw Markiplier play it. I bought it, however, I found its shooting mechanics and stealth play a little lack luster. Please don't hate me!

[@Steelers3624]

100% with you on The Last of Us. Never really vibed with it. Also, I think Bioshock Infinite is worth a mention. It was the best thing since sliced bread when it came out, but now the cracks have given way.

[@KingGargantuas]

I can't really say if I fully agree with TLOU as I haven't really played it, Bioshock Infinite on the other hand i played for the very first time a couple years ago and, while its narrative and world-building wasn't as strong as the first game, its gameplay (and Elizabeth of course) was some of the best in the trilogy. Not to mention it's visuals were stunning and honestly, I think still hold up decently well for the most part.

[@dragonbornexpress5650]

@@KingGargantuas Don't agree with you on the gameplay; It was kind of just a COD clone while also completely wrecking the tone of the story in the process. Also doesn't help that it's unnecessarily linear despite it's previous two entries containing more exploration.

[@Windclaw]

Josh: "Fenikin, Grenija, ...Fenikin again." Me, a Chenaught stand: "... *YAY* you."

[@LeoSmashRoyale]

18:20 THAT X IS PRONOUNCED CROSS. ITS PROJECT CROSS ZONE 2.

[@EeleyeDD]

What recordings from the DLC of LoU1 are you talking about? I don't remember anything changing the story

[@jvstice56]

#1 Is definitely the one that hurts the most for me because I was among those who watched it not just fall, but willingly dive into the state it's in. For years, there were games that touted themselves as the "WoW killer", but in the end, WoW ended up killing itself. I'd also argue that main Pokemon games themselves fell from grace. Given how buggy and borderline broken half the modern games are.

[@seantaggart7382]

True But honestly i feel like gf could work if we All gave them A chance I think we need to all tell gf to Make its next game delayed till its complete

[@MrTherandomguy42]

100% agree with you on TLOU 1. I actually didn't like that game all that much when I first tried the Remastered port I think? I thought it was rather bland, especially gameplay wise. Also props to you for giving a shout out to Not For Broadcast for being an example of a game with a serious story! I love that game and it is severely underrated!

[@chakatRiversand]

World of warcraft has indeed fallen far. Dragonflight has done some work to try and claw it's way out of the crater is made on impact, at least. This was a great list I feel, and can basically agree with it.

[@Galvatron759]

Despite all of its flaws, X and Y are the reason I’m a Pokémon fan. Also, I’ll always love Conker despite its flaws too.

[@dubstepbee6892]

Josh: Look at you, you who were once so proud. Josh Go Now And Never Return

[@gabrielzellers1822]

okay, but i have to appreciate the glove and boots reference around 3:40

[@OnDavidsBrain]

My personal honorable mentions. Paper Mario because Nintendo put a raving idiot in charge of that franchise and we got cookie cutter, focus tested bland slop. At least Origami King was ok. Duke Nukem, the man, the myth, the meme and of course "Till it's done". And now that the franchise is being held by that walking greaseball Randy Pitchford Duke's tombstone will be as DLC for Bulletstorm. Mass Effect, The Godfather of Video games, the first two installments are classics, the third is tolerated. Oh and then Mass Effect Andromeda and Bob Dylan happened. Assassins Creed, from a humble stealth game to overblown, micro transaction laden, over written mess. Oh and of course being owned by Ubisoft who as we all know is run by rapists, racists and all other kinds of scumbag didn't help matters. I was there when the first game came out on the PS3 and I jumped ship when I heard how buggy Unity was and being released in the same year as Rogue.

[@seantaggart7382]

Honestly ubisoft is meh But It could be WAY WORSE

[@BaxterAndLunala]

Got pushback just for not hating Team Flare enough? Dudes, it's purely subjective, in my opinion, Team Galactic is the worst written, because their boss's whole thing is he does it because he can, he has everything to do it, so he does it. Team Flare's motivation actually makes sense. Team Galactic's motivation only makes sense in Platinum. BDSP didn't do them any justice since they followed the exact same plot-line as in Diamond and Pearl. At least with Team Rocket in FireRed and LeafGreen it makes sense since those came out back in Gen III, and as for HeartGold and SoulSilver, they used a limited time event to expand on Team Rocket in terms of story, where Giovanni actually heard the transmission from the Goldenrod Radio Tower and was about to rejoin them, only to be defeated by the player.

[@PRT95]

I'll admit with Pokemon X&Y, my viewpoint stems from being completely spoiled by what Black 2 and White 2 gave us, aka a LOT. I'm serious. I still enjoyed it and probably would still enjoy it, just not as much as I once did a decade ago. X&Y deserved a lot more.

[@Volvagia1927]

A list I'd love to see? Top 10 Unadapted Licenses That Should Have a Game. I'd put BOTH Vivziepop shows (Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss) if I made one of my own of those, but curious what your picks would be.

[@MoostachedSaiyanPrince]

I genuinely feel like one of the only people on the planet that loved Gen 5 of Pokémon from the start. Also, I could be remembering things wrong, but I feel like there was similar sentiment towards Fallout New Vegas when it came out. Like, I've heard people say it was overlooked or hated at the time, but I thought was fantastic from the start, only for other people to praise it as one of the best in the franchise years later.

[@ClefairyRox]

I heard that about New Vegas too. That it was torn to pieces for being extremely glitchy and heavily reusing assets from Fallout 3. I guess people didn't realize how tight of a deadline Obsidian had until a lot later. What they managed to throw together with just 18 months of development time was very impressive.

[@MoostachedSaiyanPrince]

@@ClefairyRox I guess I just never cared about either of those issues and never heard anyone mention WHY New Vegas was hated initially. Fallout and Elder Scrolls games have all very glitchy in my experience, and we were still in the phase of bugs and glitches being jokingly called "features" unless they were game breaking, so I guess I never made that connection for why it was hated. As for the reused assets, I'm a Yakuza fan, and they've turned reusing assets into an art form by reusing assets constantly but compensating by making really great stories and ganeplay, so maybe I've kinda been conditioned to not care about asset reuse so long as I enjoy the end product.

[@SpiderandMosquito]

Wow... a Glove and Boots clips. I'm both delighted and saddened.

[@NealCamerlengo]

For honorable mentions I would say Earthbound (Mother 2) and Majora's Mask which were both featured in an AVGN episode. Like it or not he speaks the truth that there are people who only talk about the good things yet refuses to talk about any of the flaws that they will fault other games for.

[@jaretco6423]

I disagree on Majora's Mask. Personally, I think that game not only still holds up well, but the way it structure and how u utilize with day cycle and other things works remarkably well. It's all personal taste if you can handle the day cycle & whatnot. This guy even says on his list that this is his favorite Zelda game. So there's that. Also, no offense to AVGN. But I don't agree entirely on what he says. Also, every Zelda games has flaws. So what's something the likes of Ocarina of Time or Breath of the Wild gets an pass when those games have flaws too?

[@KrimsonKattYT]

Majora's Mask is a masterpiece and I won't say otherwise. AVGN was completely wrong in that episode saying that Majora's Mask sucks just because he's bad at it. He DOES know about the song of reverse/double time right? That the focus of MM is on the sidequests and not the main story? And most of his other complaints were fixed in the 3DS remake such as limited fast forwarding, ice arrows being too janky, and not knowing where to go and what to do. He was so laughably bad at the game and his complaints so out there that the majority of the fanbase thought the video was a joke and he actually liked the game, playing up various small nitpicks of the game as part of his nerd persona. AVGN has neither confirmed or denied these claims of what I know of. The only bad thing about Majora's Mask is that there's no definitive version. The 3DS version would normally be the definitive one with improved graphics and major QoL fixes, but that version ruined Zora Link and the bosses completely. The N64 version has actually good bosses and better Zora Link that doesn't practically require Beer Milk to use properly, but is heavily lacking in QoL compared to the 3DS remake. Also many people say the N64 version has a better atmosphere due to the graphics being more primitive adding to the uncanniness of the game, but that's up to personal taste. I played the 3DS version and had a very good time with it in spite of the terrible bosses, as the amazing sidequests made up for the bad changes made in the 3DS version. Earthbound in the other hand is definitely dated with it's slow combat, annoying enemies/bosses, tedious to traverse overworld, lack of checkpoints, and overly punishing death system. I get paying to avoid a game over like in SMT1/2/4, but paying absurd premiums at a hospital to be able to revive your party members after dying? That's just unfair. I would rather just return to my last save. The anticheat when you're playing on an emulator is also insanely unfair raising the difficulty by an absurd amount, randomly crashing the game, and always softlocking at the final boss, and there is no way to disable this unless you're playing on an official SNES cart (which costs $2000+) or on Switch Online, since the version on Wii U is gone forever.

[@seantaggart7382]

​@@jaretco6423indeed Besides every game that is older is eventually gonna get A better game than it OOT got BOTW and BOTW got TOTK everything will get old eventually

[@seantaggart7382]

​@@KrimsonKattYTyeah earthbound is getting old However its still a classic And it still gets its Mods *I'm watching someone play a My Little Pony version of it right now!*

[@antimatter3084]

​@@KrimsonKattYTHonestly, Earthbound doesn't feel that dated and I played it to completion like last year along with Earthbound Zero and Mother 3 beside some obtuseness like getting Jeff weapons and some ui tedium. The world is fairly intuitive and beside some backtracking and that waterfall segment, I wasn't really lost. The combat isn't really that slow and punishing if you just use your options like debuffs or Jeff items who also annihilates bosses and reviving isn't that bad either, like sure the hospital sucks but there are revival items and psi moves that revive party members along with literally being showered with money. Also the anti piracy is irrevelant considering I beat it on bsnes without triggering it. Then, again I consider Earthbound in the same tier as games like Deus Ex, Chrono Trigger, and Thracia 776 of games that still hold up to this day.

[@iammaximumstupied]

wait what was the audio log in the dlc? i thought the audio log in the last level of 1 pretty much stated that with abbys father not thinking it was gonna work

[@TheT7770ify]

I remember when the Last of Us came out and people joked that you could get the full experience by watching a let's play of it. Now here we are where the series might as well be a let's play with the game parts taken out and people are totally hyped on it. I also do hate how it became the poster child for narratives in video games when its a very linear story without the impact of it being an interactive experience. I could name a lot of way better examples of stories that do take advantage of the player having agency

[@jadedheartsz]

not really no troll.

[@TheT7770ify]

@@jadedheartsz Missing at least one comma in that. It should either be "Not really no, troll" or "Not really, no troll"

[@jadedheartsz]

@@TheT7770ify whatever, nazi troll.

[@gallidomgallade2944]

the sad part about conker is that it was gonna get a sequel but then Microsoft bought rare and told them to scrap it and remake the original so to spite them rare make the remake WORST than the original so that's probably what killed it the most

[@tyrian9471]

Yeah, I'm gonna be honest. Last of Us being on here feels like a stretch. I get this list is meant to be more subjective, but I don't think Last of Us has really fallen off that much. The first game is still mostly well regarded. The gameplay isn't super unique, but it's definitely functional. The story and general writing, while there are games that surpass it, you might be underselling it here. The plot isn't groundbreaking, but the character writing is evidently pretty effective given how well regarded Joel and Ellie are (in the first game). The second game... being what it is just led to different camps of opinions. Those who love it to death, those who outright despise and ignore it, and those who are neutral about it (I'm in the latter). But I wouldn't say that warrants Last of Us as a whole "falling from grace." And while the show didn't have the biggest impact, it was still a success. I don't blame Josh for not being a fan of it, it's not for everyone, but the way that entry was written really makes it seem like it belongs on an "Overrated Games" list, and not this one.

[@amirgarcia547]

Agreed, it doesn’t really feel like it belongs on this list when unlike most of these other games, the public perception of it has never really changed. If anything, even more people like it now than they did so beforehand now that it got plenty of new fans with the HBO show.

[@ClockwerkSamurai12]

If anything, I feel like Dead or Alive would fit here.. mostly because Koei Techmo tried to turn it into an Esport, and we all know what that leads to.

[@shadowlinkbds]

You know it's pretty much fitting how the top 2 games are from blizzard on a fallen from grace list especially with Blizzards reputation now. Very fitting.

[@adnankasujja3439]

14:40 Which audio log is that? What does it say?

[@hinnelia23]

Shenmue walked so Yakuza could run

[@Logan_but_not]

I swear i recognize the entry intro music, feels like Sonic R.

[@SirFailsalot91]

I have never encountered anyone who didn't think Gen 5 the best Pokémon generation of all time or that Gen 6 was the barest minimum of a Pokémon game, but I guess I never hung around folks blinded by the "New thing is immediately better" goggles or that actually hated Black & White that weren't Genwunners.

[@BJGvideos]

Exactly, the idea that gen 5 was ever hated is revisionist history. People have always been obnoxious about praising it.

[@niceofgames]

Honestly, Overwatch deserves it’s place on this list: When the first game came out, it was lauded as the next TF2. Sure there was loot boxes, but it was the most accessible game that did not require any extra money to play it. Fast forward to 2…and it is a shadow of it’s former self. Remember the loot boxes? Well a lot of people complained about them and they were taken out…only to be replaced with a battle pass system that puts almost every skin behind a pay wall. This INCLUDES some heroes. In fact, if you have a day job or otherwise can’t devote HOURS to playing, or had already played Overwatch 1, all of the cool skins and NEW HEROES are behind a paywall.

[@ChaseMC215]

They also cancelled PVE mode and made the stuff from the planned mode paid as well. The whole point of Overwatch 2 was it's PVE mode, and since they cancelled the mode, it isn't Overwatch 2, it's just Overwatch Free-To-Play!

[@niceofgames]

@@ChaseMC215 I was one of the popes going “stop complaining about the loot boxes, things will get worse.” To a group of friends. They didn’t believe me. Imagine how smug I was when my suspicions were proven right.

[@derubor]

Completely agree on The Last of Us. That game is painfully average. 10 years ago I recieved death threats for saying that, or I was accused of not playing the game and just being a XBox fanboy, despite me not owning an XBox at that time.

[@shadowlinkbds]

It's sad how fanboys can take stuff too far. You have my condolences and didn't deserve death threats like that.

[@Hc2p3n4t4rp]

lets be honest, with Yoshi-P on the wheel, theres very few things ANYONE can do to compete... hey, thats and idea, most beloved figures, like Yoshi-P and Iwata (RIP)

[@SeleniumThoride]

With regards to Team Fortress 2: What maps are you trying to play that takes 10 minutes to join? In my experience, it's never more than 30-50 seconds before I join a match. Also, being banned for abandoning a casual match was removed on July 22, 2016. (Also, the previously mentioned wait time for matches was also cleared up in that patch). Also from my experience, bots are (thankfully) only limited to Capture the Flag games. So, my experience with bots are minimal, especially if you play on a map they don't immediately go for, like Double Cross, where the teams are quick to notice and kick them.

[@starmaker75]

Yeah, you can tell josh gave up on TF2 around meet your match update(granted I don't him, that meet your match to jungle inferno period was genuinely a dark time for TF2).

[@Jangobadass]

"It's like they WANTED this gen to die out as fast as possible." There's a nasty rumor they *DID* so they could release Sun & Moon in time for Pokemon's 20th Anniversary...👀

[@Ori_Kohav]

14:40 - not to be rude, but you need to give more context here. How exactly does this log ruin the plot?

[@TheDWithin]

#5: "Congratulations, The Last Of Us, you're the new Okami!"

[@thedarkestnightmare616]

Wow, who would've guessed, Josh hates on The Last of Us. This video has me convinced this guy has a hate boner for the game, because he can't seem to say anything nice about it and is just hating on it because he doesn't like cover shooter games or whatever. And yeah, he IS being contrarian about it, because TLOU IS a genuinely good game, it wouldn't get so many glowing reviews and it reputation it has if it wasn't. Does it have flaws? Course it does, what game doesn't, I do think the game can be pretty dang slow at times with its pacing, the gameplay isn't exactly mind-blowing, and outside of Joel and Ellie, not a lot of the characters are interesting, but otherwise, the story STILL holds up great as this tragic journey of a man who's lost everything, gets a surrogate daughter figure, and ultimately can't bring himself to part with her, even if it means screwing over the world (which as a b.t.w. there is a log about how they're not even sure that this procedure will WORK, so it kinda makes the choice a lot less poignant than they made it). This isn't a story about a "generic zombie apocalypse", it's about a human spirit. .not all zombie/infected apocalypse games have to be all about the zombies or whatever, they're about seeing how humanity and people react to it, how they change because of it. . and the fact that Josh just can't seem to see that. . I'm sorry, he's just flat out biased and wrong. . Yeah, Josh is wrong about TLOU and has a hate boner for it. .FIGHT ME!

[@jfarnsworth2869]

Want to know what would make DK64 less tedious? If the swapping was regulated to the d pad and just prevented swapping in character specific areas. It's not being used otherwise, so why not?

[@supermariofan03]

I have always thought about that! I still love DK64 and to my everlasting shame I still go for 101 despite my hatred for some of the mini games, but the DK barrel could have been erased for better pacing.