Tony Stark "We'll Lose" Argument Scene - Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015) Movie CLIP HD

[@iamthatakhil]

When Nat says "He probably knows more about us than we know about each other.", We can see Clint concerned because his family had been kept a secret even from his team!

[@Test-ht5hj]

@M Harish what about marriage papers and birth certificates and things like that

[@Test-ht5hj]

@M Harish yes which is why I asked whether those papers exist? I wasn't trying to say you were wrong, yet you got all offensive

[@Test-ht5hj]

@M Harish alright there I got my answer I'll leave geez

[@dd_doesit]

@M Harish shut up bum ass virgin

[@ethanchapman1733]

@M Harish Wait so you are telling me that no one, and I mean NO ONE, in the entire world knew about clint's family but clint and nick. No other family like his wife's parents, no friends, no one.

[@nambam5409]

Tony: We’ll lose. Steve: Then we’ll do that together too. *tony will remember that*

[@resof]

Telltales reference?

[@massacreurdenoob]

This action will have consequences 🦋

[@MarEXksz]

Aah Beat me to it !... Bravo. Damn it.

[@spl_0]

I got that reference!

[@Vikashar]

I understood that reference

[@fict.ion-atx]

"I said 'we'll lose'. You said 'we'll do that together too'. Well guess what Captain. We lost. And you weren't there."

[@BlazeIgnitus]

I mean, he was, just not with Tony. He was on another front of the war.

[@iPyroNigma]

@@BlazeIgnitus Tony was the closest to winning. And Thor, but he didn't go for the head.

[@venters1238]

😭😭

[@jessienealson63]

f.i. *cries in avenger*

[@Alex-gv4rv]

I was really hoping tony would bring this scene up in endgame and they did it perfectly

[@mattypaul87]

The buildup to Endgame was amazing. Tony's had PTSD since the first Avengers movie because he knew something big was coming. In Iron Man 3, he began building automated suits and here in Age of Ultron he tried to create an AI to power "a suit of armor around the world." After going up against Steve in Civil War, you can see Tony had much regret over it because it meant the Avengers were scattered and not fully united to take on Thanos. Marvel took time to build all this up through Tony's character and watching these movies back you understand his motivation for creating Ultron.

[@sunright20475]

Really too bad all that good writing have reduced to some green girl twerking in her office.

[@grandcanyon-fu9zt]

Wanda is the reason for Tony making Ultron

[@saptaswapal4064]

@@grandcanyon-fu9zt How?

[@woodrobin]

@@saptaswapal4064 Not my idea, but my best guess would be that @Ali was referring to the vision that Wanda put into Tony's head during the raid on Strucker's base. In it, he sees all of the Avengers dead, and Cap's shield broken. Considering that her powers were unlocked by the Mind Stone (and likely with the assistance of the Time Stone, since we see in WandaVision that her empowered self reaches back through time to unlock her past self's powers), it seems likely that the Mind Stone (which tries to alert the Vision to the approach of Thanos' Black Order in Infinity War) was acting through Wanda to try to warn the Avengers about potential dangers by showing them visions. 1. Tony sees the deaths of the Avengers (one of the many futures in which the Avengers lose Endgame). 2. Thor sees the deaths of many Asgardians who burst apart via energy discharges (Thanos attacking the fleeing Asgardians in Infinity War with the Power Stone). 3. Captain America sees everyone dying because he's distracted by the opportunity to dance with Peggy Carter (potential for disaster if he screws up returning the Infinity Stones in Endgame by getting sidetracked by the potential to return to Peggy). 4. Natasha is given a whirlwind tour that strips away many of the false memories she had of the Red Room (ballerina training becomes combat training, target practice becomes being trained to shoot bound prisoners without remorse, etc.), which amplifies the guilt that fuels her desire to sacrifice herself in Endgame (without which they would have failed -- you have to lose someone you love to gain the Soul Stone, and while Natasha was very attached to Clint, she thought she was too damaged to really love him, and if she was right, he would have died and the Soul Stone would not have appeared).

[@saptaswapal4064]

@@woodrobin I agree with you, Yes Wanda gave Tony visions of his worst nightmare, but many forget that Tony was already creating Ultron far before the raid of H.Y.D.R.A facility. Wanda's vision only speed up the process.

[@nopeakingyoungblood4696]

I love how Tony regards Jarvis as a friend and a Human. You look at his previous films he literally says in Iron man 3 " Dont leave me Buddy"

[@sungod9797]

Named after his father’s butler

[@samsonguy10k]

Even Bruce feels it seeing Jarvis's corpse.

[@olddog4090]

Which is strange considering him and vision never have any heartfelt moments.

[@samsonguy10k]

@@olddog4090 I think their time while Rhodey is getting examined after crashing counts. Tony should be raging over what happened to his best friend but instead he patiently asks Vision what went wrong.

[@xandercorp6175]

Not a human, but a person nonetheless.

[@rjwallace7477]

“That up there, that’s the ENDGAME” quite literally.

[@micglou]

He said the A game...

[@micglou]

@Gleam ._. Nope... that's the 'A' game, as in we've gotta bring the best we can. You can slow down the vid and have a listen.

[@WallaceGromit88]

micglou nope, check caption, more believable than human’s listening ability

[@mr.president8862]

micglou OMG you fckn moron, he says Endgame, maybe get new speakers?

[@micglou]

@@WallaceGromit88 KZbin captions... seriously?

[@jjpadilla4]

"He's in your files, he's in the internet. What if he decides to access something a little more...exciting?" "Nuclear codes." "Por- nuclear codes"

[@PRWX559]

i'm dying laughing

[@kjhuang]

I was thinking the Avengers' nudes

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

Romanoff looked a little uncomfortable, lol

[@akmaldanial67]

@Dwayne Johnson - Topic Why is your channel a topic?

[@TMthe33rd]

@Dwayne Johnson - Topic is that really you, Dwayne?

[@dangerousdd5373]

Tony was the only person with humanoid fear throughout the series. Despite his sarcasm, jokes and attitude, he was terrified.

[@jamesbuchanan4414]

Yeah, it's shown elsewhere, humor deflection is one of his primary coping mechanisms. Robert Downey's delivery on that is flawless.

[@Arthur-1337]

Yes, Tony is one of the reasons I like Marvel over DC. Superheros can't be everywhere at once and save everyone even though it is often depicted like that. Not many of them seem to feel genuine responsibility and that there could be consequences to what they do. X-Men does this really well, but in other superhero movies it just always works out with luck or the stupidity of the bad guy.

[@Keurgui1]

This is one example. He's totally fearless for the most part

[@BenderRodriguezBender]

Hey DD. Could you answer me a question about this scee. I saw this film over 20 times and i never figured out why wxactly tony was laughing in this scene. Thank in advance :)

[@rickblaine9670]

@@BenderRodriguezBender Because he wants to convey how absurd it is that they’re putting up a “trial” about him creating Ultron while not focusing on the REAL problem, the problem Ultron’s needed for in the first place, which would be the aliens.

[@gabesoto9301]

Tony was absolutely right. He was “cursed with knowledge”. He knew something bigger was coming, it just backfired on him.

[@the100thtimelord2]

Pretty much. He had no one to share his "vision" with and sought to protect the world alone. This is also why his actions in Civil War make no sense. Trying to rein in heroes when he knew what was coming doesn't make sense to me, especially since Tony should know better from the SHIELD destruction to not trust anyone in the government.

[@Voldrim359]

@@the100thtimelord2 Worst of all, the calamities that showed to them, only two are the avengers fault... NYC, the goverment almost nuked it, Helicarriers incident, HYDRA was all over inside the goverment too. In civil war, the goverment is no better than the avengers

[@totalmayhem_TA]

This scene is actually frustrating as hell. He tries to avoid taking the blame by talking about what he was TRYING to do. Also, Asgard is supposed to be the line of defense against such things... yet not a peep out of Thor in response to what Tony says here about a threat

[@Enja___]

​@@totalmayhem_TA hold up, when was that stated?

[@shuttlecrossing1433]

@@Enja___ Ragnarok I think. Thor accuses Loki of failing to watch over the nine realms as king.

[@AAvfx]

02:35 *"That up there... That's the 'Endgame'!"*

[@baboonishtubetubereal4997]

AA VFX avengers endgame

[@Wrestling-Nun]

Yes, everyone noticed. now shut the fuck up

[@mulengamulasikwanda8988]

AVENGERS............ ASSEMBLE

[@amf9354]

@@Wrestling-Nun up fuck the shut now .noticed everyone ,Yes

[@igorlima1489]

muito bom

[@benglaser1345]

Wait, Ultron's in the internet? No wonder he wants to destroy humanity.

[@dvm1966]

Ben Glaser he saw porn

[@icecubedirectorofshield6636]

Wait, did you come up with this witty comment all by yourself?

[@CidGuerreiro1234]

He saw the Sonic, FNAF and Undertale fanbases and decided mankind was better off dead.

[@NewsMachina23]

Ultron "I shall protect this world by guiding the humans." Sees hentai "I shall protect this world by destroying humans."

[@benglaser1345]

CidGuerreiro1234 I'm thinking he found Dark Souls

[@skins4thewin]

Love how Tony was smart enough to know what was coming & how gigantic of a threat it would really be. It was clear that nobody else besides him really understood that or thought they could ever lose as spectacularly as they did.

[@victorpradha9946]

Tony understood, what may be all the rest didn't because they didn't see the army on the other side of the portal all lined up to come at Earth, that the Loki spearheaded attack on NYC was just the general infantry front-line of a much bigger army that was headed by something far more powerful than anything any of them had seen up until that point. THIS propelled Tony's paranoia and anxiety. His continual upgrades to his suits, his Hulk-smasher. While Tony was never expressly associated with the Project Insight Helicarriers, it seems that they were very likely, at least in part, a product of Howard Stark's genius and their expansion and upgrades, a direct response to the attack on NYC in Avengers. I can't imagine Tony not being involved in some of those upgrades. And, in Winter Soldier, Cap took them all down, because HYDRA usurped control of them and sought in one swoop to eliminate any threats to their takeover of SHIELD and then world domination. Tony's brain always 5 steps ahead of the brightest people in the room, (but only a genius on earth, per Rocket), put it altogether. He knew Loki, as formidable as he was, was just a warm up act for the main show.

[@JacenDarkrider]

Love how you're praising the guy who literally didn't think things through enough and created the problem of this entire movie. Ironically the only thing Stark ever did truly right was sacrifice himself in Endgame.

[@Pyrausta85]

And this is why I’m an Iron Man fan instead of Captain America. Also why I was disappointed Iron Man couldn’t lift mjolnir and Captain America could.

[@skins4thewin]

@@victorpradha9946 Lol I honestly don't buy the only a genius on earth line. I wish they had left that out cus it's clearly not true. He was able to discover & invent things that nobody anywhere in the cosmos had, and will lesser technology available to him too.

[@skins4thewin]

@@JacenDarkrider .... And the idiot in the room has revealed themself. Yes, it's you.

[@panagiotisdouvris8738]

The way Tony Stark is saying "we'll lose"is very powerfull

[@josend]

i just hate how dumb they made Cap. Like Tony is concerned and proposing solutions, and Cap only says empty words, like "Together". Really? you are just going to wait until everything goes south?

[@farbodpirouz2457]

Cap turned out to be right tho. They lost Infinity War because they were dvided. They won in Endgame, because they were united.

[@nathanmount3232]

@@farbodpirouz2457 that sir is what you call... *drum rolls*.... plot armor!

[@farbodpirouz2457]

@@nathanmount3232 Vision, Black Widow, & Iron-Man forgot to wear their armors then.

[@nathanmount3232]

@@farbodpirouz2457 no. Because the plot was over. Because they won. So Tony was wrong, and cap was right. Because cap was an idealist and movies follows ideals.

[@nightmareluna8423]

"We'll lose" "Then we do that together too" And after years, "We lost and you weren't there" Damn breaks my heart

[@SuperOmnicronsj44]

you didnt call me. - I was there all along.

[@SuperOmnicronsj44]

Cap was the older brother Tony never had. Peter Parker was the son, he didnt realize he needed until it was too late.- They had to find peace so Tony could move on with is

[@amandap.1494]

@@SuperOmnicronsj44 If he had to call to 'get him there' then he wasn't there.

[@koalabrownie]

It breaks your heart to know Dr. Strange could've magicked them back to Earth at any point in Infinity War?

[@koalabrownie]

@@nightmareluna8423 Dr. Strange, End Game'de Titan'dan Dünya'ya bir portal açıyor

[@XtoverusRex]

"This isn't strategy... it's rage" "It's goin' around" Such an underrated line IMO.

[@SuperOmnicronsj44]

he was underrated in scenes with Scarlet Witch, and with Nat in Endgame. Brilliant portrayal.

[@AdzzieMac]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZ6vnGaZmpitbpI (sorry for posting a link ) Tony Was The GOAT 🔥❤

[@RyanKaufman]

The second line is great, the first line is awful. Ultron in a nutshell

[@theawaited]

some0one explain pls

[@maverick1711]

@@theawaited u dont undertsand english?

[@blablablaa14]

This illustrates so clearly the difference between Tony, a pragmatic hero willing to do anything he needs to keep people safe, and Cap, who is a optimistic hero who follows his values much more than what is needed to be done. They are such great heros both in their own way

[@E_E69]

What steve doesn't understand is that, tony would really rather not have to risk his life again, because he has pepper now and if he wants any sort of future together with her, he can't continue being iron man.

[@robertbusek30]

@@E_E69At the same time, that concern tempts Tony to move in directions that are incredibly risky without sufficient appreciation for the risk involved. Tony is a genius and a hero, but he’s also fundamentally flawed.

[@jamesbuchanan4414]

@@E_E69 The eternal struggle between a cause worth dying for and a reason to live.

[@AlexLopez-qj1or]

He literally sacrificed himself in his 1st movie

[@blablablaa14]

Doesn't contradict what I said?

[@faisalt9447]

"We'll lose." "Then we'll do that together too" *It was two movies later, that cap knew, he, fucked up.*

[@cottonballs185]

He rescued Bucky and grew old with Peggy, everything worked out great for *Cap*

[@faisalt9447]

@@cottonballs185 I just realized Cap befriends people with the silliest names: Peggy, Bucky, Falky, etc...

[@benhelsloot5381]

@@faisalt9447 Tony

[@jada-mae8368]

@@cottonballs185 NOT SO great for Tony tho

[@cottonballs185]

@@jada-mae8368 In the MCU, the more *fangirls* a character has, the better things turn out for them

[@aj28pats]

“Anybody remember when I carried a nuke through a wormhole” “No never come up” 😂😂😂😂

[@bigchin4962]

Been scrolling to find the first comment of this, you Sir know quality humour when you hear it!

[@adriancruz5418]

Tony's ego: *stonks 📈

[@kenogihebe]

@@adriancruz5418 *stanks... Tony Stank

[@amazingbait26]

@@bigchin4962 We tip our fedoras to him

[@bankansh]

"never heard that"

[@normanreigns9456]

AoU Tony: That's the Endgame. IW Strange: We're in the Endgame now.

[@abdullahalghamdi664]

Norman Nieva 🤔 wow now imagine if ultron came back that would be some crazy foreshadowing but I doubt it .

[@normanreigns9456]

That's what I was thinking. Let's just wait for the movie. I've seen more than enough theories. I can't take anymore because it makes me more excited. Hahaha

[@Duckverse]

Abdullah Alghamdi In spider-man homecoming, one of the Ultron heads's eyes is glowing.

[@maricarmen3948]

The rumored title of A4 is Avengers: End Game!! When I got to that part of the video I freaked out!!! Maybe it is a coincidence but I don´t think so

[@akuljamwal3085]

@@Duckverse tell me, what scene was that?

[@Rekaert]

I love the relationship between Tony and Bruce. That moment where Tony starts to laugh like a maniac, and Bruce is just shaking him off like, "Not the time dude, not the time."

[@shockwave2291]

"That's the end game. How do you guys plan on beating them?" "Together." "We'll lose." "Then we'll do that together too." After watching Infinity War those words have never had more emotional weight behind them.

[@Jared_Elam33]

I'd love if they redid the line for Avengers 4. It just fits.

[@marcosescobar5348]

Except they weren't together, that's why they lost. Civil War tore the Avengers apart and Thanos was fortunate to not have to face them at their strongest. Their morale was low and their forces spread out, if all the Avengers were on Earth fighting together they might have succeeded. Avengers 4 may be them realizing this and coming together to stop Thanos.

[@TheIzanagi]

We’re in the endgame now...

[@elithurofficial]

And,evidently,they lost because they were separate! : /

[@freshnelson4804]

shockwave2291 technically they lost in two separate groups

[@Fifareal1986]

Can we just admire at the fact that no one did nothing to stop Thor from choking Stark and as soon as Cap speaks he puts him down.............

[@ishan5253]

No we are tony blund fan Only thing we know is to defame and hate cap He was boring he was half worthy etc and etc

[@sergs1963]

Practically no one in the room has the physical means to stop him except maybe Banner if he turns green. One move from any of them and he/she gets whacked by Mjolnir. But Thor has tons of respect for Steve that's why he calmed down quickly when Cap called him out. In short -- Banner (in Hulk form) has the physical means to stop Thor, while Steve has the moral/persuasive means to stop Odinson.

[@zylnexxd842]

Cuz no one can stop Thor

[@zylnexxd842]

@@ishan5253 stfu

[@AdmrlLocke]

Thor actually respects Cap, which is itself a bit of a foreshadowing of how Steve will one day be worthy to wield Mjolnir. Pretty much everyone except maybe Tony respects Steve, and Tony doesn't even really respect himself. Before Bruce came into Nat's life, Steve was the very first window to the Light from the darkness she grew up in. Steve's not Captain America for nothing.

[@320speed]

Honestly, Age of Ultron is such a underrated movie. It set up so much films.

[@xenon8117]

I think it’s the worst of the Avengers films but still not bad. It is an important step to get to Infinity War.

[@Orcawhale1]

It's not, the problem is in the pacing of the movie, and how it all takes place in a couple of days. What's more Ultron is so underutilized, despite him being a major player in the comics. They really should have paced themselves, and let Joss Whedon do his thing instead of just rushing it out there.

[@mrduck6720]

@@Orcawhale1 In the MCU, I really think it didn't need anything more than this. There was a lot more meaning behind Age of Ultron than just another villain. It was critical in Tony's story arc, Civil War, Infinity War and finally Endgame. Once you marathon the Infinity Saga and think of the two final movies, you'll realize the whole thing was essentially a conflict between Tony Stark and Thanos.

[@joeyjerry1586]

320speed, I do think it is the worst Avengers movie but I still think this is a great movie that doesn’t deserve to get hated on.

[@Dmm314]

Orcawhale Ultron was used as intended and was perfect. We all knew thanos was coming and was the true “ big bad “ on the way. Ultron was an extension of Tony’s fears and paranoia about an on coming threat. Ultron also pointed out the fact that the biggest threat to earth was the avengers. Ultron also introduced two key characters for the future in vision and Wanda. You see people misinterpreted Ultron even still today. Ultron was always meant to be a means to an end character. It doesn’t take away from his importance in the story of the avengers. This movie was great in my opinion especially in hindsight. It introduced SO much without us realizing it at the time.

[@HitstikFit]

As the MCU is progressing into new phases, you really start to appreciate that Age of Ultron was actually damn good.

[@DamianHowardTV]

I've always said Age of Ultron is a good movie. Right from the very beginning.. Personally, it's my favorite age/era in the Avengers timeline, especially with the shows, video games and such that came out, based around it (i.e cartoon shows like "Avengers Assemble", LEGO Marvel Super Heroes (animated show) that integrated the Age of Ultron time period).

[@Cloud-dt6xb]

Known that from the day I first saw it, it's way too overhated the only real minor crack I ever saw was that Ultron's creation was rushed a little bit but once we get him he's an imposing threat to the heroes.

[@codybeckus2652]

i have always thought AoU was a good movie, not perfect mind, but good. Never understood why people say it could have been cut from the lineup and it would change nothing, looking back, without AoU, things would have gone very much worse then it already did.

[@GodsDissapointment]

@user-pl9js2bl1q wait, people hated this movie? It's my second favorite movie, the mcu has ever produced only second to civil war

[@edercortes1960]

I never hated it …I mean I get people wanted thanos in the sequel (I admit that) but it was never a bad movie

[@adedejiadesida5091]

Tony: "We'll lose" Steve: "Then we'll do that together too" Anakin: "LLLIIIIIAAAARRRRRR!!!"

[@thaneindranaidu8688]

Kylo Ren: TRAITORRRRR

[@firedove9536]

Obi-Wan: Hello there

[@zamifumi1992]

Anakin: You're with him! You created him to kill us!

[@rilkura6232]

Yeah cuz they win

[@sran438]

@@zamifumi1992 Obi-Wan: "Let him go Anakin!"

[@Bee-ze8wi]

Who's here after endgame when tony was depressed, pissed off and said those words to cap when he returned to Earth?? Tony mentioned this scene!!

[@Smokydoggg]

But why? Would they have done any better against Thanos with Ultron on their side? They had Vision and look how easily they took him out. That whole scene was Stark taking out his rage in hopelessness but ultimately even Ultron or whatever they were trying to build wouldn’t have stopped Thanos. Keep in mind Thanos went through the NOVA Corps from Guardians of the Galaxy 1 to get to the power stone.

[@dragonlord1935]

@@Smokydoggg Ultron (With Tony's help) would have been able to mass produce Nanotech. Just one of Tony's new Nanotech suits was enough to make Thanos bleed. An autonomous army of them would have stopped Thanos dead in his tracks right in space.

[@dragonlord1935]

@sudha bhatt Nope, definitely would have stopped him. It's simple logic. One Iron Man was enough to draw blood. An army of similar Iron Men would kill Thanos with some difficulty if he showed up.

[@Eohll]

@New Blue But if it weren't Quill's damn emotion and ego (irony to thy father's name) and really planned to kill Gamora before Thanos taking her sacrifice in Vormir. This would ahave been over soon.

[@aazaadgass]

Eohll if Loki would’ve left the tesseract on asguard when it exploded this wouldn’t have happened

[@generalgrievousproductions]

Is nobody gonna talk about the fact that Captain America is the only person in that room who can command Thor's respect and keep him in check?

[@Awesomeness785]

It's mainly because he realized cap could lift the hammer

[@av4381]

I'd say it's a little bit of both.

[@JT-de5jr]

Because they are friends and Thor doesn’t kill humans

[@valthiriansunstrider2540]

@Privat Priat What? Russo Brothers confirmed Cap has always been worthy to lift the hammer and Thor respects that.

[@kaizoisevil]

Thor saw Captain America budge the hammer at the party, so he trusted him.

[@idunnothenamejr.9578]

"Thor, the legionarie" Love how commanding Cap sound and how the God of Thunder respects his command.

[@brunomacedo2878]

I don't get what Cap meant when he said the legionarie.

[@SubsSociety]

​​@@brunomacedo2878It was a question "Thor, the Legionaire?" Cap is asking about the bot body Ultron was using, their group of bots (created by Tony and that you see in the beginning of the movie) was called the Iron Legion, thus making the individual bots "Legionaires".

[@nodeberiaestaraqui93]

​@@brunomacedo2878he's basically making Thor remember the actual problem to not let his anger get the best of him

[@alexe1188]

@@SubsSociety I love how you spend the time to explain, and you explained it better than I could

[@bryanbarnes388]

@@nodeberiaestaraqui93 Yea, Cap was telling Thor essentially to stay focused on the issue and not get distracted.

[@wlockuz4467]

Age of Ultron Tony: That up there... That's the Endgame. How you guys are planning on beating that? Steve: Together Tony: We'll lose Steve: Then we'll do that together too Endgame Tony: And I believe I remember telling all of you, alive and otherwise, that we needed a suit of armor around the world, whether it impacted our precious freedoms or not. Steve: But that didn’t work out, did it? Tony: I said we’d lose, you said we’d “do that together, too.” Guess what, Cap, we lost, and you weren’t there. But that’s what we do, right? Our best work after the fact? We’re the “Avengers”, not the “Pre-vengers-” These movies are almost 5 years apart, let that sink in.

[@LittleHomieLightningtech]

The sink will not enter my domain

[@minatonamikaze278]

No

[@blackdragonstory1122]

when cap said then we'll do that together too I instantly remembered the scene when tony confronts cap about it. They did a good job in these two scenes acting wise.

[@Hanjen-xb9vo]

I’m not letting that sink in my house

[@cynicalpenguin]

What point are you trying to make?

[@rileybeckham7243]

This, this right here. This scene is why I tell people I love this movie despite its flaws. It has both masterful foreshadowing and amazing character development all around. Super underrated moment in the MCU.

[@karaokekingskingdom]

it's what whedon does best and alot of the mcu films lack.

[@redbitch3362]

Well if the movie's content is all about foreshadowing, then the movie will be more of a "for the sake of the connection of other movies". This movie is good, but it also needs to make us feel that it's independent

[@drewgrffn3880]

What flaws?

[@roboticeye]

@@drewgrffn3880 The major flaw I could see is that they wasted teh concept of "AGE of Ultron" and made it a couple days of ultron. Ultron basically should have won and enslaved the human race, leaving the avengers to have to come from nothing as the underdog to undo the damage, but he just became a villain of the week and died fairly easily. He should have had more lasting effects like Thanos but in his way, but all he did was create Civil war....another movie they wasted the potential on and minimized to be a silly airport argument / fight that ended with silly bullshit. They both came across as throwaway movies just to fill time before infinite war and endgame.

[@garywebb2432]

@@redbitch3362 wrong

[@sagarvarghese963]

That's the ENDGAME.....who's here after the trailer!!!

[@mattchlessgaming]

Bro they hinted the fourth movie 2 movies ago

[@grantturnerjr.8837]

Sagar Varghese meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[@Kevin-ue5vk]

Mee, I realise it also

[@gautamsarkar5065]

Me

[@osamahabib7547]

Sagar Varghese Here

[@Clustersey]

0:56 This isn’t strategy this is rage “It’s going around” 🤣

[@TBrown3117]

"We'll lose." And lose they did.

[@kyleshea384]

But not together

[@haseo1996]

they took a hit, and they will shake it off

[@SuziLikesToPlay]

你實在太強了,埼玉 what? Shake the dust off?

[@Grassphobic]

Mirajane Strauss 😂👏

[@VidsfromBelring]

But They weren’t together. They were more split apart than ever. And it was all because of Starks self-fulfilling prophecy

[@amara920]

Tony is the only avenger who was actually thinking practically. having something like ultron army would have definitely helped in the endgame.

[@farifurido]

That a fact what was Tony plan actually

[@brianadams5719]

But at what cost? You would still have sakovia accords, then the governments of the world would have an ultra army to oppress the world

[@enchantedcat1192]

@@brianadams5719 if you really think that little of avengers that if they signed a peace of paper, they would suddenly lose all their morals and values that's sad. If the avengers(who read the accords) thought they were going to be controlled, you really think they would sign them at all, smh.

[@brianadams5719]

@@enchantedcat1192 steve literally asked the question, "what if they tell us to go to a place we shouldn't go... or we want to go to place, and they tell us not to?" Steve knew that after that they would become just a special forces team, "go where your told, don't do anything unless we tell you too"

[@YouTube2024Peaky]

@@brianadams5719 Steve has literally originated from US Army ...so that's what he was actually supposed to do, I guess 😂😅

[@myapilled]

ᵒᶰˡʸ ʷʰᵉᶰ ᴵ’ᵛᵉ ᶜʳᵉᵃᵗᵉᵈ ᵃ ᵐᵘʳᵈᵉʳ ᵇᵒᵗ

[@cryingattheclub5150]

Lmao that was my favourite bit

[@RafaelFerreira-zq7jo]

Probably thats the way that was write in the script

[@AfrewSpines]

Kinda funny considering The Hulk is more destructive than anything Tony can even make, lol

[@cryingattheclub5150]

Afrew Spines I mean sorta. Hulk doesn’t really kill innocent people. Plus Tony did have a bomb and weapon company

[@K21-p3m]

We didn't! Were we even close,.. were we close to the interface?

[@Frosst]

God I wish I could re-experience the greatest of these movies. Seeing all the movies roll out throughout the years was amazing.

[@kirkcadenas8327]

This scene is the reason why he was upset with cap after they got beaten by thanos.

[@itspitch7655]

Shouldn’t have been upset with cap tho cuz he never called cap like cap said he always could if he called and cap missed the call then it’s understandable but he didn’t so again all tony fault just like Ultron

[@kawaki4441]

@@itspitch7655 Black Order invaded at that time so he couldn't make the call.

[@itspitch7655]

Kawaki he dropped the phone before the fight started and banner found it after the fight

[@joseguardiola3785]

It’s Pitch he was dialing him when the black order landed not only that but the only reason cap wasn’t there to begin with was because he didn’t sign the accords. What did signing the accords cost anyone aside from swallowing some pride?? Nothing.

[@decibelsanchez]

@@itspitch7655 maybe I'm late but if cap didn't leave the avengers in the first place or fought back in civil war, they won't be torn apart. They'll still be together whether they'll win or not.

[@Coolquip43]

The way Banner says "Only when I've created a Murder Bot" slays me

[@bluejaybarnes1907]

@Coolquip43 - I giggled. It was very uncool, but I didn't really care. I love Bucky and Cap, but Banner has his moments when he is an absolute darling.

[@SpookeyClown]

They kind of missed the mark with Banner/Hulk dialog in A1, but everything after that was pure gold. Especially in Thor 3.

[@ihavenoidea8811]

Same! 😂😂😂😂 2:04

[@Dinyo]

Tony : "Anybody remember when i carried a nuke through a wormhole?" Rhodey : "No." Tony : "And saved New York?" Rhodey : "Never heard that."

[@meryemozturk7797]

It has always been like this they saw his mistakes not successes

[@aniketrajput6235]

@@meryemozturk7797 dude that is sarcasm tony is telling that story all the time

[@meryemozturk7797]

@@aniketrajput6235 hey i was just kiddin'

[@william97able2]

it's from here, u can obviously see who's siding Tony, and who's siding Steve. If Thor & Hulk were to be involved in the Berlin Battle, the chances are that Hulk be siding Tony's pursuit, while Thor will be with Cap.

[@typeouetco1626]

@@william97able2 I mean might as well add sentry to tony's team to at least make it fair

[@SupportTheLittleGuy]

2:54 I always liked how they held on Tony’s reaction here, it’s like what cap says truly sticks with him.. that’s why it isn’t far fetched to think he remembers it 3 years later in endgame

[@teczowapanda4683]

Not 3 years

[@MilesMorales827]

@@teczowapanda4683canonically 3 years because Tony had that argument with cap in 2018. The beginning of endgame takes place just shortly after Thanos’ snap which also was in 2018🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️

[@dadbud09]

I just love how Tony went in front of Thor again after being choked. Guy has balls coming again for a God.

[@0741921]

He's not a God though

[@dadbud09]

@@0741921 well he's not called God of Thunder for nothing though

[@johnsean122]

@@dadbud09 gods mean superhuman or above human power you could call hulk as a green god

[@MegaChorro123]

@@dadbud09 True but I remember reading somewhere where one of the writers or producers said that he’s technically an alien.

[@alphamineron]

@@MegaChorro123 any god is technically an alien

[@brussell639]

I love how Tony calls out Bruce for being so submissive. And it's hilarious that Bruce is that way considering that if he were to Hulk out, it would be in everyone else's best interest to "roll over and show their bellies."

[@brussell639]

@Alicia en el Pais de las Maravillas I can remember the first time I saw that scene, and everyone there are just giving Tony the stink eye. That awkward moment just as the uncomfortable situation is beginning. And then Tony starts laughing. It was such a hilarious reaction, but fitting for someone like a Tony Stark. It's still one of my favorite scenes.

[@Jamplays592]

Bruce runs from fights because he knows he'll win. He's terrified of the hulk, and we should be too.

[@crimsoncrusader4829]

@@Jamplays592 part of Bruce's anger problem came from his submissive nature. He bottle it up and eventually it explode as the Hulk.

[@sotuman]

It was lame that even the Hulk went belly-up in the Endgame movie though, refusing to come out and help.

[@seanaguayo]

@@Jamplays592 maybe, but Bruce's personality is to run from anything and everything, he's always been timid and shy and never able to stand up against his abusive father. Hulk knows this and protects Bruce when Bruce is angry and does what "puny Banner" cannot

[@manasas868]

This scene just shows how much thor respects cap. It's a shame we never got only those two as a combination in a movie

[@niweshlekhak9646]

Thor Cap and Loki will be awesome in a movie. Cap is going to be busy about Loki’s tricks. Thor be like whatever he is gonna betray and at the end Loki will say “your saviour is here”.

[@manasas868]

@@niweshlekhak9646 lol so true . Hemsworth and Evans has such a bromance in real life wished that they captured it on screen too. But now 🙁

[@niweshlekhak9646]

@@manasas868 They will probably have another Cap coming in from another universe like how Loki is coming back from another universe.

[@manasas868]

@@niweshlekhak9646 hope Chris Evans agrees to it

[@juniorsimelane]

literally anyone in that room could hv told thor to calm and he would have

[@twmax6525]

I like how genuine and shocked Banner is while describing and contemplating Ultron’s “rage”. Small moment but intimidating.

[@SpanishAvenger]

2:18 I love Rhodes’ supportive, sarcastic backup comment to Tony’s points

[@sarahjansezian4749]

No he wasn’t he was like acting like it didn’t happen

[@1337_bean]

he said it in a way insinuating that they all know and will never stop hearing about it

[@sarahjansezian4749]

@@卂尺乇乇丨-d9n what that made no sense

[@АлексейСоснин-р4й]

He meant "Tony, you're trying to make amends, a pitiful sight."

[@pvp214]

Lol

[@user-nj4hf8kz5z]

Chris Evans was BORN to play Cap. Human torch on the other hand...

[@Hillthugsta]

L He was awesome as Torch as well

[@christopherg2347]

The hotest fire burns the shortest. I guess the Human Torch was way hotter then he should have been :)

[@IllyrianStrength]

Fantastic four is going to be sold to Disney, since the series was pretty much butchered by Fox.

[@christopherg2347]

@Xtcnyc 23: Marvel had to cancel all running F4 Comics, Cartoons, etc. They seem comitted to letting that Franchise simply die until Fox eventually stops making films. Apparently "it is the only way to be sure".

[@robertalexstorm]

He's still the best Human Torch that we've got in cinema.

[@metal882]

"In time, you will know what its like to lose. To feel so desperately that youre right, yet to fail all the same. Dread it Run from it.... Destiny still arrives"

[@siddhantsharma7728]

EVIL INCARNATION That pine gives me chills, I want to know how Tony feels when he sees his nightmare come true.

[@PundaExpress]

Siddhant Sharma agreed

[@tony9622]

Evacuate the city Engage our defenses And get this man a shield.

[@spook3112]

Siddhant Sharma probably gonna have an anxiety attack like Iron man 3

[@mustafasabah8254]

Samsaranian Supreme or should I say I AM

[@allie_678]

The funny thing about when Tony says “We’ll lose” and Steve says, “Then we’ll do that together, too” is that it’s literally what Tony is trying to avoid. He saw a vision of his friends all dead. After fighting and losing. Together. He tried to tackle this one alone because he’s _seen_ the results of them all losing “together”, and it’s his greatest fear.

[@ApocGuy]

he saw ONE of possible outcome, not all of them. he wasnt just worried, his Ego played big part in his decisions too. remember what Nick said at the end of first iron man; they NEED iron man, but they dont need Tony Stark

[@allie_678]

@@ApocGuy His ego was what made him think he _could_ tackle the problem all by himself, while his fear was what made him think he _had_ to.

[@livinglegend9709]

​@@ApocGuyhe saw one possible out come and looked for a way to change it. Its eassy for us to say theres other outcomes because doctor strange said so in infinity which hasn't happened yet. To tony, he was shown the future and took every precaution to avoid it. His ego was telling him 2 things; him thinking he can handle it himself and him thinking the avengers would think he's crazy if he told them.

[@JDog2656]

@@livinglegend9709 they probably wouldn’t think he’s crazy if he sat down first and presented his concerns in a rational manner

[@Myk95]

_"He's in your files, he's in the internet. What if he decides to access something a little more exciting?"_ _"My browser history?"_ _"Our browser history."_

[@claryeverdeen2788]

@@user-gi1tc8gx6m Chill dude...

[@zestyoverlord6772]

@@user-gi1tc8gx6m someone’s awfully defensive.

[@ameybirulkar7503]

@@zestyoverlord6772 😂😂😂😂

[@harrambou9468]

@@user-gi1tc8gx6m someone’s fun at parties 😵

[@evan1461]

@@claryeverdeen2788 didnt he put quotation marks though

[@TheManInThe5uit]

Anyone caught the way Hawkeye reacted to "Probably knows more about us than we know each other"? Since he has a family that no one know about

[@Avenging_Archer]

Yeah I saw that, genius detail on their part.

[@sada0101]

I would credit Whedon, than MCU for attention to detail here.

[@TheGreatestSpy4life]

+Nathan Holstrom I don't think Thor was trying to kill to Tony. If he wanted to he would have done it

[@TheGreatestSpy4life]

+Nathan Holstrom You're original comment was dumb because Thor doesn't answer to Captain America. Also, stop ranting about why you hate Iron Man. If you want to spend a time hating a well-developed character do that on your own time. The rest of us will enjoy the flaws and strengths of the wonderful characters presented before us.

[@TheGreatestSpy4life]

+Nathan Holstrom Uh no. This scene is a rational man listening to someone who doesn't want him to make a mistake he'll regret. Answering to Captain is "Before I do anything I have to see if Captain allows me to do it".

[@jaimemedina6987]

Tony was foreshadowing on what would happen in the future when Thanos finally arrives, "the end game"

[@klemenvezonik7178]

jaime medina he isnt really sure who that being is, but he knows that there's one who's incredibly powerfull, and too much for them, and he was right

[@andrewxu3602]

jaime medina So... Ultron would've helped defeat Thanos if he didn't turn evil...

[@diniemultiarti395]

Good thing we got Vision, it's basically an upgraded version of Ultron

[@captainobvious90]

Having aliens coming from a wormhole kinda gives you an idea that a powerful, sinister being is behind all that

[@lonestarwolfentertainment7184]

Andrew Xu exactly! The purpose of Ultron was to help the Avengers fight threats from beyond this planet

[@jamesbuchanan4414]

I don't think Steve was questioning Tony's intentions, just his methods. Steve brought up the SHIELD reference with good reason. Screwing with the Tesseract was what drew Thanos' attention to Earth in the first place. They may not have understood the concept of Infinity Stones at the time, but generally speaking, screwing around with ultratech (tech that's WAY over their understanding) has never brought anything but trouble. Tony did his best work when he was dealing with tech he had a grasp of, the arc reactor with it's newly synthesized power source element, his armor, Peter's suits, and nanotech, for example. When he got his hands on things more advanced, it tended to blow up in his face. He never did manage to master Infinity Stones, which is why even his best tech, the Mark 85, couldn't protect him from it. Tony's snap was in the same realm of paying for punching over his weight class, it ended up killing him, even if it was for the best, in the end.

[@johncampanella622]

Thank you. Cap had wisdom. Tony has mechanical knowledge and foresight without wisdom.

[@picallo1]

So Shield scientists can make weapons from Infinity stones but Tony would've failed..............that doesnt even make sense. Tony could've made super advanced weaponry using the stone. Shield, Fury, and Tony were all correct. They needed weapons to fight extra terrestrial forces and got proved right. I believe it was "hopelessly hilariously outgunned." They got there asses handed to them, easily by Thanos. This is one of the times Cap was wrong. Even Thor complaining but when it came down to it what did he do................built a WEAPON. What a novel idea. Sounds like EXACTLY what all the Tonys and Furies were saying. Imagine that. All the good intentions did nothing but put a leash on Fury and Tony and they lost. And it cost Tony his life, but yes lets talk about Caps 'wisdom' Please.

[@jamesbuchanan4414]

@@picallo1 SHIELD scientists duplicated HYDRA research, and their use of the Space Stone was pretty mundane. Tony's usage of the Mind Stone was relatively complex, in comparison. His relative rate of success was impacted by the relative level of ambition behind his goals.

[@picallo1]

@@jamesbuchanan4414 The point is, the cat was already out of the bag. Also they got a good idea of what they were up against, but they still didnt let Fury or Tony use available resources like the stones to make anything and they tried to stop them obviously. Imagine what Tony could have built using the stones for all this time. The battle with Thanos may have been less costly.

[@christopherthomas7365]

@@johncampanella622 shut your retarded self up dummy with your star lord idiotic self were the reason people was snapped away just like cap but guess who brought them back not no idiot named captain America

[@ZzzFernando4752-w8k]

Avengers 4 title said by both Sherlocks, coincidence? I think not

[@g2nelson15]

Fernando Raspante I think it’s very Strangeee

[@arnavbhatnagar3857]

@@g2nelson15 good one

[@tezmard3003]

Bernie

[@sannaarshad7936]

We need Holmes for dis case

[@raofabdullah]

And both the only ones got full script

[@jomaricelis9033]

0:15 War Machine: "a little more exciting" Me: Porn Maria Hill: Nuclear Codes Me: Oh...

[@tejaspadhye]

Jomari Celis no comment Pun intended...

[@ramen4131]

You cracked me up so hard lololol

[@luckybishoparchs3412]

Omg lololol that's hysterical 😆😆😆😂😂😂😂😂

[@MyEnemiesSchootBack]

haha

[@jasondads9509]

if we store nuclear codes on the internet. We had it coming

[@Coinz8]

*Thor walks up and chokes Tony* Tony: " Come on use your words buddy"

[@sarcartik]

Gold he knew Tony beat with his words 😁

[@shawnsabiran7787]

He stopped when cap told him to He respects cap off all the avengers

[@Jackferrett6781]

I have more than enough words to describe you stark

[@carbonpotatoes8641]

Kartik Sharma Nope, he stopped because Cap told him to. Actions are stronger than words.

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

@@carbonpotatoes8641 Bingo. But this truth is scary to most.

[@xavierwhitcraft1310]

I like how Age of Ultron sets up perfectly for Civil War. Like it’s not like Tony and Steve were at odds suddenly. They have always had an underlying sense of being at odds. But I like how well Endgame restores their friendship

[@Cloud-dt6xb]

Well their ideologies were at odds but they still respected and enjoyed each other's company. That's why it was so hard to watch them fall out so hard in Civil War, because despite their differences it never got bad like that before.

[@bronzetiger6360]

Notice....These characters are so well done, so charismatic....so good, that even a conversation between them is highly entertaining.......These folks will NOT be easily replaced......if at all.

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

Exactly why I'm here. I used to hate this movie, but most of Phase 4 really make it look so dang interesting in comparison.

[@c0mmas]

great writing too

[@janathadepartmentstores2830]

Age of Ultron and Avengers 1 both have conversations that are so intriguing we forget that they are super hero movies.

[@JarthenGreenmeadow]

@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom Tbh everything after End Game is bad and there is a massive community who do their best to ignore it, but cmon. We're never getting Ultron - Infinity War MCU back. That was the best time. Its been nothing but pain since then.

[@JarthenGreenmeadow]

Genuinely Infinity War was the most amazing cinematic experience of the 21st century. I didnt cry but I definitely was in shock. But its long over. I wouldnt watch the MCU now if you paid me. There is just waaaaaaay too much content. I'd have to do nothing besides watch MCU stuff and I just dont care enough. Too many shows/side movies. There have been easily a dozen movies/shows I havent even bothered to watch. Not because they arent great but because I just dont have the time for it. I dont see how anyone possibly could. Theres never a break, its just capeshit after capeshit. Especially if you watch the DCU as well, its basically 100% of your waking hours to keep up with all the movies and shows.

[@nanopower2275]

i love that tony is tough enough to stand up to everyone in an argument

[@pattimcb31]

I agree if DC worked I could see Batman and the Justice League having an argument like this.

[@versena]

You mean delusionally arrogant enough. Only he would start yelling at the team after his dumb ass just created a robot that nearly killed them all.

[@droppedinbase5777]

@@versena theres thar one cap fan

[@versena]

@@droppedinbase5777 Who doesn't lie? Cuz where did I? Only a Tony stan would think him being an arrogant idiot after creating a murderbot would be "standing" up for anything.

[@droppedinbase5777]

@@versena I wasnt talking to you lol

[@BrotherShaw]

*Infinity War Spoiler* The great irony of this scene is that Tony was right, they did lose, because they *didn't* fight together. Civil War made sure of that.

[@Nomad-1993]

But Steve was the one who said they needed to work together.

[@raifkenedy3]

Steve is the one who said that, tho.

[@droppedinbase5777]

@@raifkenedy3 nice name

[@droppedinbase5777]

@@raifkenedy3 but really it was both Steve and Tony

[@droppedinbase5777]

@V-Rex deep

[@saf5896]

0:12 the subtle hint of Clint showing a little panic about his family. Hoping Ultron never found them is an amazing attention to detail

[@Gooberjoovies]

Tony, to the Avengers in Age of Ultron: "That up there...that's the endgame." Dr. Strange, to Tony on Titan in Infinity War: "We're in the endgame now."

[@halfeatengamer3400]

Gooberjoovies glad I’m not the only one who picked up on this.. marvel knew what they were doing from the beginning

[@dodopoopinpoop]

True

[@jhodc3535]

I Think Tony Stark Will Re-Create Ultron, I think Ultron is One of the Best Weapon against Thanos

[@donavanlambert5669]

Jho DC no he won't recreate him. Ultron will return somehow on his own in like Avengers 6. I think Kang from the future will be the villian for Avengers 5. Its the only was to top avengers 3 and 4.

[@Norixciii]

That explains why the Defenders weren't in Infinity War. They're casuals.

[@FavioRiveros]

This is Tony Predicting Infinity war!

[@Afineaddition]

He will know what it's like to lose.

[@kyloren8645]

A fine addition to my collection i dont know why im reading this comment in thanos voice

[@SoraDestiny471]

FavioRiveros it would actually be sick if ultron was not evil and help the avengers

[@rotyler2177]

Scarlet nudging Tony to predict INFINITY WAR. AND THOSE LOOK LIKE HELAS BLADES IN HULK.........

[@ACE-zc8jw]

FavioRiveros yea but they will loose and die

[@_anas45]

Avengers: Ultron is in the internet Me: Don't worry he would not be able to bypass human verification

[@xm_heecka.laddder.job_mx5962]

Ultron Canonically would better than that..... so this scene is Legit, is Amazing though

[@hi-ge9or]

lmaooo .🤣

[@shawerful5209]

*Are you a robot?* Ultron: *mission failed we'll get em next time*

[@meteorwaffle7908]

Lol underrated af

[@nattompkins888]

“Stark...how many of these squares have traffic lights in them”

[@scruffd0g193]

The foreshadowing in this scene alone is crazy.

[@matthewcolliver7965]

“That’s the Endgame” - ‘What If’ Ultron: “You have no idea”

[@preds43]

Ultron certainly made the Endgame feel like a joke, that's for sure.

[@traductore3020]

@@preds43 yeah... Before he was destruyed be a nasty virus

[@anthonyallmond3682]

@@traductore3020 seriously how does Zola do that I don’t get it

[@luuk_twister2068]

That what if episode was such bullsh*t. I mean there were some awesome fights in there but no. I though the infinity stones were only effective in their respective universe. If Ultron were to go to another universe with the stones, they would be mean Jack sh*t there. This is even referenced to in the episode. The infinity stone crusher couldn't crush his stones, because of this "rule". But in the episode before that he jumps from universe tot universe, no problem. Inconsistent, which makes it not as good as it could have been.

[@matthewcolliver7965]

@@luuk_twister2068 Whilst I agree that the episode and series as a whole has inconsistencies that do unfortunately hurt it, I still believe that the finale was still just a really enjoyable episode to watch even if it didn’t make much sense. I think they were really just aiming to show off this alternate possibility that could’ve happened in the real MCU timeline and make it as wild and out there as possible, and I think that’s what worked and made this series stand out as fun new concept!

[@salmanb9129]

"How were you guys planning on beating them?" "Family"

[@maxim196]

Dom will be added in the next Avengers movie

[@kc-chi8331]

The power of friendship!😂

[@amashaziz2212]

@@maxim196 He's already in it! ;-)

[@ronaldcaling127]

@@amashaziz2212 haha the talking tree

[@amashaziz2212]

@@ronaldcaling127 exactly!

[@kichonacho800]

The Odinson/Laufeyson brothers just love choking Tony XD

[@nicktylosaur1213]

Kichona Cho *strangle

[@lilithrey3936]

Tony loves it too

[@darth856]

I like how they show Thor's strenght there, being able to lift Tony by the throat using one hand.

[@liangeloball910]

darthen856 I like how in avengers 1 they show Loki’s strength being able to pick up tony whit 1 hand and throw him around like a little poop

[@generalgrievous3423]

LIANGELO BALL Not to mention he was able to manhandle Cap

[@JarthenGreenmeadow]

Everyone missing 2:07 Tony: "were we close" Bruce: 😶😶😶

[@kirani111]

A lot of us forget that Wanda ALLOWS Tony to take Loki’s spear, saying later to Ultron, ‘I saw Stark’s fear, I knew it would control him’. Ultron tells her ‘you needed something more than a man. That's why you let Stark take the scepter.’ Tony thinks he’s just been handed the key to making everyone he loves safe, never expecting in a million years that the outcome will be Ultron. He was never trying to cause harm. He was manipulated. Yes he was ignorant, yes he was reckless, but his goal was ultimately Vision. Wanda though? She WAS trying to cause harm. "Your weapons killed innocents like my family. I will now unleash The Hulk on innocent people and help create/follow a murderous A.I knowing many will die, so long as I get revenge." (Hypocrisy) Afterward she seems happy to move on from Ultron, and Tony is left to shoulder all the blame, guilt and responsibility. Wanda never seems sorry or tries to atone for what she helped unleash in age of Ultron, but Tony constantly does. Yet the audience and everyone in his life react to his mistakes and struggles with with antagonism and abandonment while characters are shown gently checking in with Wanda to make sure she's processing what's happened. Tony is left to clean up the mess "he caused". Tony himself doesn't make excuses or blame anyone else. Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike Wanda's character at all, I'm just using her as an example of the team and the audience having quite unfair double standards.

[@skrtreynolds]

Natalia good to see people sick of the stark slander lmao

[@williamhuang2309]

Natalia well Wanda suffered her share of fault when quicksilver died

[@kunstwunderkammer6163]

Wow, your comment is eye-opening. Never thought of it that way. Great analysis!

[@sia6045]

Natalia yeah that’s not really what I’d say manipulating is tbh. And Wanda was BANKING on the speculation on whether or not the scepter would “control him”. And he decided to tamper with it himself soo...... not really on Wanda there. Also I’m sorta confused on why people kept saying Wanda released the hulk in a populated city. Correct me if I’m wrong but they weren’t near a city as far as I’m concerned, Hulk _RAN_ all the way towards a city if that’s you mean. And I’m fairly sure Wanda did atone and apologize and all that(I mean otherwise she wouldn’t have such great relationships with them) I also have this headcanon that Wanda used her abilities to help each of the Avengers with their Night terrors (As she used to do with Quicksilver whenever he had nightmares about the bombings). Bad thing is she can help everyone BUT herself seeing how her powers work she can’t affect her own mind( not yet at least). But wut evah tho lol And the team does care about Tony too, it’s just one of those type of scenes that are never shown but you know happened because you know how they are character wise. Oh and the way the Avengers check up on her is seemingly because they know she’s just a kid. ( Sixteen or Seventeen around Civil War) not to mention Steve sees her as somebody who has been fighting since she was ten and considering the state of her country was and how she volunteered for those experiments ...., Basically they see her as somebody who was forced to grow (emotionally & mentally) to quickly. Rant over lol

[@SinghNikhilDLFRK]

Really well analyzed. Thank you for that.

[@katlegoboale4306]

This movie got so much hate for being "irrelevant" But this movie, in my opinion, is one of the most complex MCU stories that set up a lot of action to come, developed the characters beautifully, has the best references and an the most charismatic villain ever. A film to remember 😌🤝

[@samsonguy10k]

I never considered it irrelevant. Ultron was conceived because of the attack on New York. It went very wrong and became something evil on its own right, but it was very relevant. I think there were those who wanted the Avengers movies to be strictly a buildup to a confrontation with Thanos. There were also those who were disappointed that Ultron wasn't portrayed exactly as he was in the comics. And they invested so much into both that when it didn't happen as they wanted, it was a complete letdown for them, regardless of how good the tale and action really was. That's the danger of having too much hype. As far as most charismatic villain...I will have to disagree with you on that. Loki's still got my vote. I guess you could say over time he became an anti-villain. (Like anti-hero)

[@donaldwatson7698]

I wouldn't consider Vision, the synthetic being powered by an Infinity Stone, and Scarlet Witch, the only person onscreen to have ever scared Thanos enough to make him do an emergency switch of tactics, to be irrelevant.

[@MaskOfCinder]

Thanos was the most charismatic. Ultron was a joke.

[@katlegoboale4306]

@@MaskOfCinder please elaborate on that point

[@adambump5297]

The further along we got in the MCU the more relevant this Movie got it aged like fine wine.

[@migultantamco]

The way mark ruffalo delivers the line about creating a murderbot always cracks me up

[@richman360]

I love how Roady legit has Tony's back at all times lmao.

[@hansolo631]

I bet you'd love to have Rhodey's "back" you fuckin' fanny bandit

[@guidomista559]

I said we’ll lose, and you said “We’ll do that together too”, guess what cap? We lost, and you weren’t there

[@HABO2210]

And hence by excluding Cap from the fight they weren't doing it together,hence his tyrade is invalid.

[@versena]

Hmm that's funny, Cap was with all the other Avengers and Tony was on another planet. Soooo, he actually wasn't there if you wanna get technical.

[@xnortheast1106]

@@versena But Tony fought Thanos first and lasted way longer and would've lasted even longer with Cap's help but he wasn't there sooo, he actually wasn't there if you wanna get technical.

[@versena]

@@xnortheast1106 Why is how long he lasted even relevant, Tony himself said Thanos wiped his face with a planet, and again, he was ON ANOTHER PLANET. No one made him go there yet he was bitching at Cap for not "being there" when that was entirely his own doing and he separated himself from the rest of the team on earth. He had the phone for two years and could've called at any time but didn't. He then could've even tried turning the spaceship around that took them to Titan but he didn't and chose to go there to face Thanos with no one on earth even knowing what was happening, so HE wasn't there and he was blaming others for his own actions as per usual.

[@xnortheast1106]

@@versena No, no, no. You're al fucking wrong. Tony had to go after Strange warned him about Thanos getting all the stones. CAP himself even say Earth just lost its best defender aka Tony so he had to protect it while he was gone, So cap wasn't there he was holding it down but did a shit job. So, you're wrong dumb ass.

[@TheReck12]

Tony is the only normal one because he's still freaking out over the fact that aliens invaded earth

[@powermonger9090]

Nick Kabeya exactly. Thor has seen and experienced more than Tony can dream of.

[@blackmachine312]

And it shown in this movie that Cap have PTSD

[@chey6073]

Power Monger yeah but Thor grew up on this life style, Tony didn’t. Same with Captain America. Tony’s reaction is more of a civilian type, he doesn’t want to keep fighting so he tried to come up with a solution that would end it as fast as possible. Warriors and soldiers like Thor and Captain America thrive on the constant conflict in the world, Ultron even mentions that to Captain America

[@thespiritofjonathanjoestar6805]

@@chey6073 Plus most members have seen some shit, Romanoff and Barton were assassins, Banner and his chase against the government, Rhodes literally serves the army, and Hill's been an agent for years. War is nothing new for them.

[@EspiritoDeDafne]

He was also the only character who seemed to think "well, since I know that another invasion is going to happen, maybe we should, I don't know, HAVE A REAL PLAN, STEVE!"

[@snipermonkey3195]

Thor: *chokes stark* Tony Stark: "come on use your words buddy".

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

"I've got more than enough words for you Stark"

[@maverick1711]

@@thelegacyofgaming2928 THOR legionnaire

[@Wilton24]

Stark: come on "KZbin works buddy."

[@akhileshnair606]

@@maverick1711 Can You tell me why Cap said Legionnaire?

[@KF22TV]

@@akhileshnair606 right?

[@tiffanidubose515]

I’m so heartbroken 💔😔😭 Tony knew… he knew and try to warn them but they refused to listen. He saved their asses every time, and what did he get…disrespect 😢

[@gregorykiernan7849]

Finally...someone said it!

[@doot_2198]

to be fair tony did make the thing that almost destroyed earth

[@insanusmaximus2857]

@@doot_2198 While being influenced by Wanda mucking around in his mind.

[@wafdin2042]

@@insanusmaximus2857 and people will say "no wanda last lost everything, it must be hard for her to move on" bullshit

[@user-fc2jg9tl2y]

Tony’s speech here is probably one of the most important scenes in all the movies leading up to infinity war. It shows how much tony dwells on the attack in New York and that danger is still imminent. It makes infinity war that much more impactful because it’ll be the moment that Tony’s been dreading for almost a decade in MCU time.

[@geordiejones5618]

The whole plot of the third Iron Man is him having actual PTSD. Him and the Ancient One (and by default Dr. Strange) are the only damn characters that know just how fucked they could be at any minute. The Ancient One actually fought some of that shit too and did what she could to give her pupils a fighting chance in the future. Tony never gives up on the "skeletons in the closet" it just turns out to be literally the worse case scenario. Half the universe is pretty fucking ambitious.

[@derciobene3458]

Steve is one of those guys that thinks like "I'll beat the threat once it gets here". Problem for him is that once it actually gets here, it stomps him and his friends. Why? Because he was caught unprepared. If they had had something similar to Ultron, the Q ships would've been targeted before they even entered the atmosphere

[@icegodsavior8885]

@@derciobene3458 Except that Steve was right. The directors themselves even agree that had Steve and Tony worked together, and had the Avengers been in full force, Thanos would've lost.

[@Tonius126]

@@icegodsavior8885 Right, like they can take on an army, the only people that would somewhat make dents on Thanos army is Tony, Thor, vision and hulk that isn't enough.The black Order is said to be stronger than them all combined.

[@AdzzieMac]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZ6vnGaZmpitbpI (sorry for posting a link ) Tony Was The GOAT 🥺❤

[@johnsmithee6660]

I love how Cap America is shitting on Tony for withholding information from the team, yet he's willing to not tell Tony who had killed his parents.

[@DatAsianGuy]

I think there is a difference between "my parent's murderer" and "crazy AI who wants our extinction".

[@lordgrim1958]

Captain sometimesmyteammatedonttellmethings

[@thejordyoshi]

He's not angry that Tony kept a secret, he's angry that Tony built an evil genocide robot to replace The Avengers.

[@highgrainstudios]

hypocrisy

[@arcticjoeya6622]

John Smithee Yeah

[@tempo347]

I love how Thor is so humble after being exiled from Asgard that he listens to Cap. He's thousands of years older than him.

[@srikanthsv79]

Leader of the avengers

[@williammccormick2802]

Kid from Brooklyn

[@andregordon2599]

Its in keeping with the arc from the first thor movie. the last time he brashly lead people he nearly started a war with the Frost Giants. Cap earned his respect as a leader in the Battle of NY

[@Dina_1041]

Millions*

[@jakejake8921]

Agent Carter 's choice..

[@Taaif_Mehadi]

The amount of respect Thor shows to Steve Rogers is amazing.

[@robertcook5049]

Thor respects him as a leader and a warrior

[@hansolo631]

@@robertcook5049 And as a lover and confidant

[@jeremyandersonteen.7502]

@@hansolo631 he isn’t a lover and confidant toubtrollz

[@cprw10]

Thor respects him because Steve respects Thor, see how this movie starts, Thor even gave an instruction to Steve because they needed to get hold of Loki's scepter, he was going to help Clint because he had been injured, Thor originally was going to be the one who retrieving the scepter from the Hydra's forte, however because he was the one who could get to Clint faster because he can fly, he gave Cap an instruction which Cap accepted it, Thor wasn't trying to take his place as a leader or anything like that it's just that for Thor it was important to take Loki's scepter and take it to Asgard... And Thor sees in Steve a warrior basically and Thor is also a warrior, Steve is a soldier, which on planet earth a soldier is the warrior version of Asgard's Warriors and of other realm's warrior, realms that are different from earth; it's not just that Thor sees Steve as sorta like a fellow warrior, Steve also sees Thor as a fellow soldier, they see in each other a kinda like-minded individual... Watch the beginning of the movie you'll see what I mean. *Sorry if my english isn't understandable, it's just english is not my native language.*

[@whade62000]

0:13 Me: "...Porn" Movie: "...Nuclear codes."

[@IA10105]

Thanks ned

[@starr0401]

...My nuclear codes porn

[@kirosmatavastros]

porn... addict? what's next this world will come up with? food addict? water addict? air addict?

[@Jmgjgdjd5]

you mean 0:18?

[@anakinskinwalker8702]

I was gonna say cat memes

[@Mom-cf2je]

_only when I've created a murderbot_

[@Adirondaque]

Murderbot is an underrated term.

[@manikandanmani6777]

💪💪💪💪💪

[@jeffreysimmons5645]

I thought that was hilarious and a serious term at the same time. Murderbot! Not Robot, Murderbot!

[@jeffreysimmons5645]

Hi, Mani, I am glad you enjoyed my reply. I was just watching Avengers Age of Ultron and I laugh and Whoa! everything time I hear that part. Tony: What? That’s it! You Just Roll Over, show your belly, every time somebody snarls. Banner: Only when I created a murder bot. I watched that film at least about 3 times, if not more. Love that film! Love the entire franchise!

[@jeffreysimmons5645]

Like stated the murderbot term is underrated. I thought the second Avengers was underrated. I like the entire expansion of the film. The Banner and Romanoff relationship that developed. I thought it had great depth. I might be misspelling the Black Widow character incorrectly. That means I might have to watch the film again. I thought she and Bruce Banner and Hulk relationship was beautiful. I thought some people didn’t really watch it enough to really appreciate that plotline and really fully get the true depth of what was really going on. I like the world building and continuing expansion that went on with this film and the entire franchise. It just gets better every time.

[@sndgod6793]

This scene means so much more after Infinity War...

[@johnboko7110]

Oh most definitely I loved these little nuggets Kevin Feige and the writers does throughout the years :)

[@Kyle_765]

And means even more after watching Endgame

[@dsamusic5043]

Stark: 'Up there is the Endgame' Strange: 'Now we're in the Endgame' They gave clues to the end and we had no idea all along

[@lil_cali714___]

I knew it was gonna be called endgame when people first started asking what a4 was gonna be called I was the first in my friend group to guess it right from the beginning and won a bet with my dad I'd like to think I was the first in the world but who knows

[@rubiusftw2813]

Watching this whole scene again I can see that Tony had the best of intentions creating Ultron, the idea of it was great, a secure way of getting global protection against threats much larger than the Avengers, but the problem was his paranoia, it made Tony rush to create Ultron without knowing exactly what he was doing and not consulting the team of course, that was his doom, if he would just take it easy and program Ultron at its correct time the plan could’ve worked. Damn what a great movie!

[@babytoshiro7014]

Tony broke the #1 rule, machines will become sentient and try to take over the world. How did a smart guy like him not see that coming🤦‍♂️

[@deejade6558]

@@babytoshiro7014 I mean he did create JARVIS and later on activate FRIDAY, they didn't try to take over the world. Although, I'm not really sure if FRIDAY had some restrictions after ULTRON

[@DoctorWhoKage]

Tony made ULTRON in the very same way that EA "develops" games. He rushed it's development, and released it when the time wasn't right and the results? They were worse than bad. The only thing that's missing with ULTRON (for obvious reasons) is the microtransactions and half of ULTRON's code being stored away. Because ULTRON delivers free destruction and he has *all* of his code.

[@racheljohnson9480]

@@DoctorWhoKage Pretty sure that was all thanks to Wanda. He was gonna scrap it until she made him live his greatest fear until all he could see and think about was Thanos' invasion. She wanted him to self-destruct while he was holding one of the most powerful artifacts in the universe. If she didn't predict that whatever he would do could catch innocent people in the crossfire, then she was either an idiot, or didn't care about making some orphans like herself.

[@PredatorH2O]

The main cause was that Ultron somehow completed himself.

[@altamasparsanov9181]

"That thing up there, that's the endgame." This dialogue hits really hard after Avengers: Endgame.😭😭😭

[@adyingtribunal6034]

Entity?

[@altamasparsanov9181]

​@@adyingtribunal6034I edited that mistake.

[@Tit0Matic]

Am I the only one who gets a game of thrones vibe when Thor is holding Tony and says "I have more than enough words to describe you, Stark!"

[@mrmacross]

3:00 - "The world's a big place. Start making it smaller." That's the same advice Martha Kent gave Clark in Man of Steel.

[@bricenolan6877]

Love the little details they add in these movies. Look at Clint for a few seconds after nat mentioning how Ultron probably knows more about themselves then they know about each other. His eyes went into a quick second of fear and his body movements suggest worry. His family had been teased just by incredible acting.

[@TheSoundonly12]

and the incredible directing

[@jb31969]

2:30, thats the ENDGAME

[@GenkiGanbare]

"That up there, that's the Endgame. And if we don't stop the Civil War happening in this room, The Avengers will enter the Age of Ultron and the Infinity War will end in Ragnarok."

[@willskywalk]

Antman

[@Anroll282]

Random crew: "I-I don't know director, I think using that line is overdoing it".

[@Clepto_and_Co]

oh, so that's why they call it that

[@cringefairy2687]

Amazing foreshadowing

[@ChaoticGenes]

"And in the ashes will only remain a Spiderman: Far from Home."

[@Cardboardbocs]

1:30 some of the best acting in the movie. Tony giggling, Bruce getting why he's giggling but trying to shut him down anyway. The two smartest people in the room and the are just that much different from the rest.

[@icegodsavior8885]

Yet they’re the reason Ultron was created and it almost destroyed the world

[@jessesoares220]

stark:well lose... cap:we can do this togeter too.... thanos: well...i do it myself

[@amko7444]

Which is why he's gonna LOSE!

[@jessesoares220]

thanos wins...

[@epicfan1598]

@@jessesoares220 Civil war screwed the avengers over

[@renskedunnewold1995]

Poor Tony is the MCU's Cassandra, cursed with the knowledge of what's really coming, what's really at stake. But no-one listens, and everyone blames him for everything that goes wrong.

[@NN2484]

Hes not the only one cursed with knowledge.

[@ajmulenga2532]

No ones blaming him for “everything that goes wrong” They’re blaming him, because a program that HE created was trying to kill all of them. He tried to prevent a war before it could even start, and it blew up right in his face. Thor was right. All of it could’ve been avoided if Tony didn’t mess with things he had no knowledge of.

[@stephenvu5155]

@@ajmulenga2532 But Tony had to try them. It's was the only way that Tony thought that can save the Earth, and he is almost right. Thor agreed with Tony later, by helpping him created Vision. I'm here after Endgame, btw.

[@ajmulenga2532]

Stephen Vũ That’s just it. One of Tony’s greatest flaws as a character at this point in the MCU is that he’s a selfish thinker. He thinks he has to do everything by himself. Creating Ultron WAS NOT the only option to protect the earth. And Endgame proves that. They didn’t need a super-computer/ android to defend the Earth. The Avengers simply needed to work TOGETHER. Tony’s the only one who didn’t get that. Btw I watched endgame to if u couldn’t tell from my comment lmfao

[@stephenvu5155]

@@ajmulenga2532 No that's wrong. Tony it's 99.99% right. Remember that the chance Avenger win without Tony's super-computer/ android is so small. It was 1/ 14 milions (or bilions? i don't remember). Tony is the only one who see the best way to protect the earth.

[@ginolorenzo4117]

Tony: how ru guys planning on beating them? Cap: "together" *Me: wtf this man has no plan whatsoever*

[@rbarua3368]

He meant with communication and planning, not doing stuff behind each other’s backs.

[@Elipson52008]

That's the equivalent of asking, "whats the plan?" and them answering with, "we win." i agree. not a plan. Most likely a, 'we'll burn that bridge when we get there,' scenario.

[@tofu3783]

Yes sometimes Cap says things that people think is smart but is just words that are made to sound cool 😂

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

@@Elipson52008 Those are not equivalents at all, lol. "We win" and "Together" have 2 VERY different meanings behind them.

[@Elipson52008]

@@thelegacyofgaming2928 not when there is absolutly no plan as to how they were gonna win "together." Cap didnt give tony any other suggestions as to how they were gonna combat the threat tony saw. No plan, just cool sounding words.

[@RezValla]

I love Cap calls Thor by his title to calm him down. Both military men. Very fitting and subtle writing

[@TwilightMysts]

I believe you misunderstood this clip. Cap is asking about the drone ("the legionnaire") that Ultron escaped in and Thor was supposed to be following.

[@marmiksaini]

1:07 Thor, Odinson. King of Asgard. God of Thunder... One of the Most Powerful Being in the Entire Universe. Just took an Order from Cap. Cap is the only person Thor could follow. That's Pure RESPECT!!!!

[@azraiel1984]

AGREED 😊

[@BigUriel]

He just listens to him because they're both bros. Same reason he hung out with his Warriors Three, why Sam and Scott gravitated towards Cap, while someone like Banner would rather hang out with Tony. Those two groups are just on different levels intellectually, Thor respects someone who can punch really hard, he has no interest in talking to Tony because he doesn't understand half the things that come out of his mouth.

[@Sehrukh]

It was not an order

[@aliyaghi2192]

This feels now so old when every and each one of them has changed so much in the IW trailer... So many emotions right now...

[@PundaExpress]

Ali Yaghi same

[@aryan7767]

Anyone here after endgame? Iron Man’s bitter outburst at Captain America at the beginning was so heart-breaking.

[@unknownlegend6226]

But turns out to be the truth

[@HABO2210]

@@unknownlegend6226 it isn't. They've lost DIVIDED not together. They won in Endgame not thanks to murder bots,but thanks to Avengers doing it TOGETHER. Even the most OP Ultron is a bitch compared to Thanos

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

@@HABO2210 they won in endgame due to a rat and a wizard. most of the heroes didnt need to be there.

[@davids.3584]

@@HABO2210 If Age of Ultron and Civil War never happened, Thanos would have won much easier and the Avengers would never have been able to undo it. Here’s why… There would be no Vision protecting the stone meaning Thanos would just have to take it from the Avengers building or wherever the stone is. He would've done what he did to Xander to get the stone, meaning blow it up. This would cause lots of casualties and Avenger deaths. In Infinity war, the mind stone was in Wakanda which had a force field that protected them. They would not have been in Wakanda if Ultron and Civil War never happened. This means he would have 5 stones now. While he is surprise attacking the building where the mind stone is, Ebony Maw is capturing Dr. Strange just like Infinity War. The difference is that Tony and Peter won’t be there to rescue him because Hulk was not able to warn Dr. Strange. He would not have been able to warn him because he wouldn’t have been sent by Heimdall since Hulk would still be on Earth if Age of Ultron never happened. Since Age of Ultron and Civil War did happen, they were in Wakanda that had a force field that protected them. Also, because of Ultron and Civil War, Wanda is an Avenger, the Avengers have a relationship with Wakanda, there is a Spiderman, there is a Vision, Antman is an Avenger, and Hulk was able to warn Dr Strange about Thanos. The Avengers were pretty much already united in Infinity War anyway except for Iron Man. *Overall. if Age of Ultron didn’t happen, the mind stone would be much more vulnerable. Dr Strange would be captured, and Iron Man wouldn’t be there to rescue him. That is because Dr. Strange wouldn’t have been warned by Hulk, so Dr. Strange wouldn’t of went to Tony for help.* *Without Civil War, there would be no relationship with Wakanda thus no army or force field. Luckily they teamed up in Wakanda because if they didn’t, they would've got blown up without that force field.* BUT BEFORE ALL OF THAT If not for Ultron, Thor wouldn’t have been looking for the stones. If Thor returned to Asgard… He would see that Loki is Odin. They would go see Odin and Hela would be released by Odin’s death. Thor would still end up in Sakaar and would eventually escape. Then he gets to Asgard and Thor would send Loki to release Surtur and they escape Asgard. You would think that Surtur wouldn’t be in Asgard since this alternate storyline would most likely take place years before Thor defeats him and takes his crown to Asgard, but the reason Thor went to Surtur was because he has dreams about him destroying Asgard right before it happens. This means that before Thor ever decided to go back to Asgard, he would have dreamt about Surtur and decided to go and defeat him. This is because whenever Thor decides to go back to Asgard, that is when Hela is released and Ragnarok starts. Ragnarok starts whenever Thor goes back to Asgard because Thor discovers Loki which leads to Odin deciding to die which releases Hela. This means that Thor would have dreamt about Surtur right before going back to Asgard. After the events of Ragnarok, they would end up on the ship and they actually would make it to Earth because this would be before Thanos starts his quest. Loki would keep the tesseract with himself and Thanos would eventually go to Earth just for Loki and collect it. If he didn’t escape Sakaar in the first place; which is unlikely, or Thor didn’t defeat Hela; which is unlikely, Hela would be the Queen of Asgard and Thanos would either attack Hela with his army and the power stone or team up with her for the Tesseract. If Thor stayed on Earth and didn’t return to Asgard… Thor would eventually start to have dreams about Ragnarok and go see Surtur. This would make the events of Thor Ragnarok happen the same as it actually did except without Hulk. They would end up on the ship and Thanos would attack it. On the ship, Heimdall originally sent Hulk to Earth because he was the only one on the fleet that could possibly survive the trip using dark magic since Thor is wounded (I looked it up), but since Hulk’s on Earth, he has no one to send. But let's say he did send Thor and he survived which isn’t possible, but still let’s say he did. Heimdall sends Thor to Earth to warn Dr. Strange. Dr. Strange still ends up getting beamed to the ship. Thor can’t save him because he can’t fly without Mjolnir or Stormbreaker. Iron Man may or may not be there. Either way, the events would either be Dr Strange is captured and tortured without rescue or Iron Man saves him thus being the same as Infinity War. Thor then doesn't get Stormbreaker which would be even worse. FINALLY Because Infinity War still would have happened, it would not have been able to be reversed because chances are, Scott Lang would not have been in the Quantum Realm at the same time as the snap. Even if he was, which is extremely unlikely because he was only going to be there for a minute, the odds of a rat getting him out are even crazier. This means that time travel would not have been discovered and The Snap would not have ever been undone. One more thing What if Tony turned the ship around in Infinity War. www.quora.com/What-would-have-happened-if-in-Infinity-War-Tony-chose-to-return-to-Earth-as-Dr-Strange-suggested-instead-of-going-to-Titan Thanos would have gotten the time stone from Dr. Strange eventually. It doesn't matter how long it takes him. It doesn't matter because when he is done getting the time stone, he would go to Wakanda and undo everything that happened. If they successfully removed the stone from Vision and destroyed it, Thanos would just undo it.

[@dogefishron2860]

David Semel you are the best.

[@mcfett8052]

Avengers should just be called “Iron Man and Friends”