Toranaga Meets With Saeki - Scene | Shōgun | FX

[@FXNetworks]

Would you choose stories, legends, or the truth?

[@TheCoolProfessor]

Every myth has a basis in fact.

[@Aluttuh]

Truth. Watch Europa the last battle.

[@InimitableAde]

Truth. Even if it hurts.

[@TheCoolProfessor]

@@InimitableAde sometimes I think the truth should hurt. The truth is pure and free of distortion.

[@InimitableAde]

@@TheCoolProfessor I don't disagree.

[@othelliusmaximus]

Saeki: Would you give me Izu? Yabushige: Hold up

[@abyssus9304]

Yabushige, The most likeable snake who just wants to be left the F alone ever lol

[@othelliusmaximus]

@@abyssus9304 exactly. I don't even see bro as a snake he's kinda just caught between a rock and a hard place. Ishido and the Minowaras aren't giving him much of a choice.

[@qusmable]

Yabushige just wanting to be a small time lord in a province spending the rest of his life fxxking and executing ppl

[@RahulDevanarayanan]

@@othelliusmaximusi mean he does boil people alive for funsies so I’m not sure how much empathy I have for him

[@MichaelCollinsira]

He is an actor, a double agent, Toranaga use Saeki for enter the army of this brother in Osaka, the Toranaga CLAN army.

[@gorotv5826]

As a Japanese, I can say that the acting of Saeki is like that of a Kabuki actor in a period drama. The acting of Kabuki actors is always exaggerated and deliberate, whether it is a period drama or a contemporary drama. At first I thought he was a Kabuki actor.

[@Kumire_921]

Compared to the other actors he did give me a different impression, perhaps it's the character itself that was like that though. Never read the book nor watched the 1980 show so i can't say.

[@jojoanggono3229]

Saeki was puffed up with self importance and power with the new appointment as Regent. Perhaps there was underlying hatred between brothers.

[@davidholaday2817]

Common mistake Japanes, Chinese and Korean people make. When you say "as a Japanese person," that is correct. However, when you say "I am Japanese," "japanese" is used as an ADJECTIVE to descrbe "I." So when you say "as a Japanese person," you cannot say "as a Japanese" because "Japanese" is ALWAYS an adjective. Therefore, "Japanese" MUST be used as an ADJECTIVE to describe "person." I hope this helps.

[@TheGoldennach]

@@davidholaday2817 Japanese can also be a noun, describing a person of Japanese descent. So saying "As a Japanese" is correct, I think.

[@davidholaday2817]

@@TheGoldennach No no, no it's not. It is simply not.

[@longshotodds8946]

The minute the cannon guys looked up I thought it was going to be a Red Wedding

[@davidholaday2817]

That's the difference between that show and this show, and also fuedal Europe and fuedal Japan. It's not deliberately trying to be bad.

[@Kumire_921]

There was no wedding

[@failtolawl]

@@Kumire_921 Referencing the betrayal to "Red Wedding" from the Game of Thrones series.

[@andrewwaldock]

@Magnonx That's silly. It's a limited series telling a single story and has managed to be very compelling from the first episode... and we've only had seven so far. I would say at the same point in GoT, only Lord Eddard and King Robert were as compelling as Toranaga-Sama and most of the supporting cast across the first seven episodes. And at least the makers of Shogun won't even have the chance to take a decade of fan goodwill, meticulously built up characters, and storylines & then burn it all with one rushed and embarrassing six episode season to end it.

[@shadi6484]

@Magnonx characters ARE interesting tho... Like you can't tell me that you don't find Toranaga, Mariko, John or Yabushige ineteresting characters! Even Saeki with one episode made me enjoy his character already! This show is limited so you can't really expect GoT's level of characterization when GoT had 8 seasons to work on its cast while Shogun has only 10 episodes, and so far, we've only watched 7. I'd say they did a pretty good job with these 7 episodes to make us care for these characters.

[@bj079]

This whole scene remind me of 'the red wedding' in Game of thrones without casualties...

[@cristiandinut5729]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@luiggimoncion]

I don't buy it, it's all an illusion. Toronaga has one of the best spy networks of that time. His army was not damaged enough to have its border posts so unprotected. Toronaga has infiltrators in Osaka and he is aware of the movements of the Lord Regents and Taiko's former concuvine (Oda Nobunaga). Besides, the scene of Blackthorne's anger and departure clearly was planned. Crimson Sky plan is in execution and only a handful of Toronaga's vassals are aware, his son emotionally unstable and reckless... obviously he was not worthy of knowing and died for being a weak man. Toronaga's brother is infiltrated in the group of the regent Lords and all that lack of respect and mockery towards Toronaga's stories are part of the tricks. There are small obvious details to believe in what I mentioned above. Examples: Execution letters cannot be omitted if the person in question takes them and reads them. That's why Toronaga didn't let his son take the letter and that's why Toronaga's brother threw the order for Toronaga's execution at the old man and not at the same Toronaga next to him. And lastly, I would like to add that the head of the concuvines found out that the TOronaga army is outside the province: Men talk too much when they are with a woman. Because of her silence and appreciation of Toronaga, she asked him for land and money, to create a network of Geishas (spies).

[@capuchinhelper]

I agree but there ARE differences from the book and 1980 Shogun so we can't be absolutely sure how it will play out.

[@verdebusterAP]

its simple tactics the sheep will let the wolf in

[@MetalGamer666]

@@capuchinhelper How did it play out in the book and the 80s version?

[@luiggimoncion]

@@capuchinhelper you're right

[@luiggimoncion]

@@verdebusterAP sharp

[@patrickjeffers7864]

I like saeki..but yabu probably like "i gotta make another will"

[@TamMag-gh1ug]

Sanada-san says that falconry is important to Toranaga. His line from the falconry scene in ep.1 "Conceals herself against the sun." Conserving energy, waiting for her moment. "You might never even know she's there." If Toranaga conceals his ally near Ishidou without being found out... At the same time, Toranaga must find his nearest enemy...

[@davidholaday2817]

This scene was great.

[@frantechyt5290]

“Dont be fooled by our politeness” toranaga about to go berserk mode

[@Banneoliberalism]

The shogun declare us enemy of the state. Realm divide event pop up on toronaga window. Ashigaru spam commence!

[@lnsatiate]

Saeki got that drip drip

[@edsato7096]

虎長の弟は何やら織田信長のようで、少々破天荒な感じはインパクト（衝撃）があり、面白いです。

[@otorishingen8600]

Great acting ✨ Like a stage play People are smart and appreciate quality 👏 Thank you 🙇

[@shaxusmma9990]

DON'T ACCEPT IT! YOO, THAT WAS COOL LINE BY THE WISE FATHER. I'M IN AWE BY THIS SHOW. TRUE MASTERPIECE

[@zerovikings5852]

Just so he ends up going without a helmet and get his head explode

[@MetalGamer666]

@@zerovikings5852 That was my only gripe with the episode. I find it hard to believe that a young man in his athletic prime wasn't able to break his fall. Especially one that had training in Japanese martial arts.

[@zerovikings5852]

@@MetalGamer666 They wanted it to be a pathetic death although he was the only one with balls

[@taonglobo]

@@MetalGamer666no amout of training can prepare your footing when the floor is wet.

[@MetalGamer666]

@@taonglobo That's fine, but a lot of martial arts train you in what to do when falling to break your fall. It's one of the first things you learn in Judo.

[@gb3376]

Me jealous of his gorgeous ponytail

[@happytrails1963]

Betrayed so quickly, Toronago has a plan. 😮

[@timothydavidcurp]

I wouldn't be surprised if he anticipated the possibility his brother might/(likely?) betray him...

[@VDA19]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Brother is a double agent and Toranaga's son died for nothing@@timothydavidcurp

[@libextremist]

@@VDA19 Evidently not for nothing. It gave him more time to scheme.

[@kevinwong8693]

It could be that Saeki is in on it. He plans to 'march' Toranaga and his army to Osaka with his own army. That way they can both quickly and easily approach Osaka without obstacle and quickly initiate Crimson Sky. Toranaga and Saeki are probably much aware that Ishido's spies are everywhere and even Yabushige could turn on them at any time. Saeki brought the head of the general of Yabushige's just to perhaps fool him that Saeki is seriously in siding with the regents and is going through with not siding with his brother.

[@AgentJJones]

Buntaro is a beast 💪🏾and so is Hiromatsu

[@orkhanhasanov1922]

Like father like son

[@davidholaday2817]

Buntaro beats on his wife. So no, I would elect to have the opinion that he is not a beast.

[@AgentJJones]

@@davidholaday2817 I know I know smfh but it was the sake lol

[@therealistintheboot8822]

​@@davidholaday2817Mariko was whoring around

[@josegalera3352]

Much different from the book. Though Zataki is full of air, they were reminded by the old samurai to behave according to their position. No need to be rude to each other and talk in a civil and polite way.

[@randomix4023]

Shogun: The Japanese version of Games of Thrones

[@morimurasan2]

Mmm, the opposite happens: Shogun was published in 1975. The first tv series are from 1980. GOT was published in 1995, first series in 2011. GOT could be another western Sengoku drama.

[@ecksearoh6283]

Oooh, what an original take!

[@desioctane]

If u guys dont know the toronaga said in the finale that Ishido will not have any bannerman that day it means these two mfs are secretly Ally he had it all plan like Dumbledore and snape 😂

[@dazfire5646]

Saeki hasn't betrayed Toronaga. It's a ploy so they can execute "Crimson Sky" at Osaka with Saeki's army.

[@tuffneggah]

almost did a red wedding

[@JonnyLokz]

1:24 got the squad laughing

[@HansErlich]

please tell me that Saeki was portrayed as Hideaki right?

[@meischix]

I bet Saeki is going to be the story's Kobayakawa Hideaki. Too bad the battle of Sekigahara wasn't depicted in the novel and likely wouldn't be depicted in the series as well. If you don't know yet, you can Google Kobayakawa Hideaki to see what he does.

[@tommysoliz3064]

I felt bad for the horse

[@gat0rl1vebeatz]

red wedding vibe

[@PoIynesian]

Is saeki based on someone real or no?

[@josegalera3352]

The name is Zataki not Saeki

[@Threshk]

Zataki isn't really an authentic Japanese name for the period, so that's why they changed it. James Clavell had a lot of inaccuracies in his novel. The naming of characters was one of them.

[@davidl242]

Lol is it me or does Toranaga’s son looks more like his uncle? Another twist next eps? 🤣

[@shadi6484]

lol but i mean this is possible tho, some people look more like their relatives than their own parents. like take drake's son for example, the boy looks like his grandma instead of his own father and mother

[@davidholaday2817]

Hey fx, I humbly suggest that you change the name of this video to "Toranaga's Dinner with Saeki" or "Toranaga and Saeki's Dinner," so as to not spoil it for people who have not seen the show.

[@missblissmiss]

kindly make hindi dub version

[@himanjalchetia5108]

Samurai series without war 😂

[@joviesan]

Toragana son he's killed an accident expected that happened

[@님아잘좀]

ㅅㅂ 한국어 번역 없냐

[@Kingsman_Games_]

Please Hindi dub this masterpiece for Indian audiance ❤

[@mr.v2689]

Where’s all the coloreds?????

[@davidholaday2817]

Hmm?

[@drea2578]

Huh?

[@CapybaraConnoisseur89]

Wtf is coloreds? 🤣☠️

[@NorthernIrelandBob]

Not the same story line as the book. Really poor episode 😕

[@davidholaday2817]

I thought it was great. So do probably 99.999% of the other people who watched this episode.

[@projektkobra2247]

@@davidholaday2817 -Then 99.999% of people are depressed, un-read, dank millennial nihilists too.

[@drea2578]

You need to stop comparing the books and the show.

[@davidholaday2817]

@@drea2578 Yes. The show is its own thing. It is VERY much its own thing.

[@projektkobra2247]

@@drea2578 -I will be the judge of what I "need" to do. The book and mini-series are better than this twisted, dank version that only black-hearted millennials could like.