Torchwood 2x1 REACTION!! "Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang"

Eric Shane Calvin and Aaron react to and discuss season 2 episode 1 of Torchwood Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
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[@galonski64]

"bloody torchwood" always love that scene.

[@MavenCree]

There are novels and Captain Logs and audio plays that are cannon that go more into Jack and Ianto's relationship. Gwen was never more than a flirtation.

[@TheTardisDreamer]

More like bad writing... They should've spent more time on Tosh and Owen getting together if they wanted a heterosexual romance in the team. Gwen is my favourite character but dear God her romance with Jack was badly done and unnecessary. It was clear they were for some reason trying to do a love triangle but it just makes no sense.

[@randallmartin8149]

James Marsters' wife actually directed that kiss scene. He's talked about it a few times at conventions.

[@MavenCree]

Jack can't stay dead, BUT HE STILL SUFFERS! So it DOES matter.

[@hagridmary]

The fact that Jack is The Face of Boe isn’t really relevant at all in Torchwood.

[@Antony_Oscar]

Yeah, apart from the fact that he was the first time agent from Boeshane Peninsula and a poster boy.

[@0riginaljim]

Its not relevant anywhere ever again 😂

[@galonski64]

fact is they have not watch any of this, and would not know that anyways.

[@Blue777Dragon]

It isn't in Torchwood because it was supposed to be discussed later on. If I remember correctly, Jack was supposed to appear in "When a Good Man Goes to War" when the Doctor calls upon old friends for the favor to save Amy. It would have made a lot of sense with the headless monks, as he probably would have had his head cut off or whatever, but considering heads can live on after the headless monks, the rest of his body wouldn't regenerate with him and boom, you got the Face of Boe. The reason Jack never appeared is because I believe there was a scheduling conflict with Jack Barrowman and Moffat decided to just drop it and focus on the story arc of the season.

[@borjankosarac3645]

That... actually makes an alarming amount of sense. Though, I'm no sure if you're necessarily correct, if only because RTD felt like Jack=The Face of Boe was one of those questions that should NOT be confirmed - then again, nobody said Moffat had to follow that. IIRC, Moffat created Madame Vastra and Jenny to substitute for Jack's absence, but I could be mistaken.

[@the_nikster1]

the thing between Jack and Gwen is basically what Shane said: he just wants everyone to want him. it's all about Ianto for Jack. 100%.

[@TheFallofTheEleventh]

Fun fact. The actor who plays Rhys Owen lives near me! He’s one of the nicest people ever and it’s great fun talking about his experience on the show with him :)

[@hagridmary]

I’m so excited about their reaction to this series’ finale. It has one of the saddest scenes I’ve ever witnessed. Then again, the whole of Series 3 is going to be epic for them as well.

[@ms_scribbles]

Children of Earth (S3) is just traumatizing, in the best way. I really hope the guys don't crack too many jokes through the rough bits.

[@hagridmary]

I am sort of expecting them to be laughing through something huge like a death scene.

[@thewhovianwithasmallcollec7319]

Season 2 made me sad so much that it made me emo

[@CaptainPikeachu]

Tom Monty series 3 is just pain, it’s just utterly pain, these guys are lucky they aren’t dealing with it back to back when the episodes originally came on, there was no recovery time

[@jessica-mh3os]

I watched all of Doctor Who up until 2017 and then I remembered that Torchwood existed about 10 years late

[@TheTardisDreamer]

Eve Myles, who plays Gwen Cooper, throws a good punch because she actually did a lot of boxing when she was younger and was really into the sport. 10/10 would not mess with her haha

[@neonseas]

Lol at the Torchwood sexualities convo. It's just easier if you think of anyone who is a part of Torchwood as flexible.

[@daisy6545]

Anyone who’s around jack is flexible

[@Mr.Spindle]

@@daisy6545 everyone is jacksexual

[@Wolf6119]

Ah yes, the infamous Holding Hands of Boe

[@MavenCree]

Everyone in Torchwood is sexually fluid. (Except Rhys.)

[@paddystrongjaw9995]

MavenCree and Andy although you never know

[@BrittneyLynne]

Just based off their discussion of DB Evolution, I can't wait until they get to "The Return of Doctor Mysterio"... in about 5 years

[@jeckjeck3119]

5 years?

[@ReallyBritishOne]

They have 103 episodes to go until they catch up with all the currently aired episodes to date. But factoring in that Series 11 and it's Christmas special will have aired by the end of 2018 as well that pushes it up to 114. To do all of those you're looking at over two years from now - so early 2020. And by then it's a fair assumption Series 12 and it's Christmas special will have also aired, pushing the total up to 125 (under the assumption it doesn't change from the format and structure Series 11 is going for). 125 weeks is about 2 years and 5 months, so they'll be up to date with the TV pace around July 2020. Which unless there's a major shakeup to how the show is broadcast in the next few years (and I feel they'll be aiming for some consistency right now) they'll have a few months off before they can follow Series 13 as it airs.

[@BrittneyLynne]

Omfg, I was being intentionally hyperbolic. Calm down

[@ReallyBritishOne]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I realised that, still it was fun to actually figure out how long I'm going to be following these reaction vids for.

[@morningcoffeecat2271]

Someone do the math on how long it'll take for them to do Classic Who XD

[@delilahmullis8587]

ok so I have quite a lot of things to say about this episode and what they said about it. First of all Jack never liked Gwen like that. Yes there was tension between them but that was because Gwen likes Jack. The reason why there was tension between Jack and Gwen when Gwen told Jack about Rhys proposing to Gwen is because Gwen was mad at him for not being there when Rhys proposed and when she told him about it Jack was disappointed in himself for not being a better friend and being there for Gwen. Second Ianto was never just a second option for Jack because he couldn't be with Gwen. Jack and Ianto started hooking up just after season 1 episode 6 (that is in the audio drama broken which is an official torchwood story) and it was also hinted about that at the end of season 1 episode 8. So if Ianto was just a second option or even someway for Jack to cope with the fact that he can't be with Gwen then why would he have been with Ianto from halfway through season 1? In my opinion it seems like some of these guys were trying to dismiss the fact that there is a relationship between two men and they are trying their hardest to make it straight when it obviously isn't which to me seems kind of homophobic. Feel free to disagree with me but please don't come at me because this is just the way I see it.

[@mynameisbangable]

Do you plan on seeing The Sarah Jane Adventures? Despite its child-orientation its not dumbed down or anything. In fact it actually has heartbreaking moments too. If so, best to see Series 1 before Doctor Who Series 4 final.

[@zdcosner3766]

ThatAussieGirl Doctor Who has always had goofy effects and over time they gradually improve, the same goes for Sarah Jane and Torchwood too. These effects also shouldn't get in the way of good episodes and story telling either regardless of whether CGI has aged well or not.

[@npe9483]

Shame they didnt recognise James Marsters as Spike, I never knew they hadnt seen Buffy!

[@strbourne]

They did, it's the first thing they exclaim when he appears

[@outlander1998]

oh and a much worse fate than being frozen is waiting for Jack

[@notbubu]

The second series is such a step up in quality from the first.

[@dvader518]

I think Jack x Gwen is a different kind of relationship that’s hard to define.

[@sophiefilo16]

3:46 How'd he get in? Intruder window?

[@NonsensicalSpudz]

you guys will love series 3, probably one of the best

[@alex_gaimar]

"The man of peace who understands every kind of warfare, except, perhaps, the cruellest." If you know, you understand why it came to my mind.

[@jfrance649]

Great episode. Great series this one. I hope you guys enjoy it.

[@outlander1998]

great detective work on the hands boys

[@einosig]

they're not failing on deciphering Hands again

[@timewasting3372]

Einar Sigurðsson Lol

[@thebluemorphine]

even though it’s traumatizing af , i am so excited to see their reactions to the season finale and then coe episode 4 ((‘: makes me teary just thinking about it

[@CaptainPikeachu]

I am so curious to see how the group reacts to the later seasons and things that happen, man oh man we got some feels coming

[@DontSigh]

The tension between Jack and Gwen in this episode was always so misplaced to me. Will be good to see them get to know Ianto more over all, and Rhys as well, then maybe they'll take off those heteronormative glasses they're wearing :'D

[@chrisf5828]

re: lip poison. First two things that came to mind were Game of Thrones where the poison was applied by the villain in Torchwood 1x1 and, of course, Catwoman in the1960s Batman show (IIRC Batman thwarted it with Bat-Chapstik)

[@Geellun]

River Song famously uses it in the DW universe

[@jeckjeck3119]

We. Are. Coming!

[@morningcoffeecat2271]

jeck jeck BEST. SERIES. EVER!!! 0_0

[@jeckjeck3119]

Liam Cahill Yes, it is.

[@utswriter]

When those two met kissed then punched....I have friends with that sorta relationship, one was an underground boxer the other just grew up in a bad place, so they both are tough people so they love each other deeply but they aren't the best at talking people always think they are angry with each other but it's more they believe if your win you were right a sorta spirtual thing almost

[@chrisf5828]

Gwen and Captain Jack is very much like Hermione and Harry Potter (or Jesus and Mary Magdalene) -- a beautiful platonic love story where the guy has some deep and mysterious melancholy fate that distances him from everyone. It is not just a friendship. There is a love there informed by the male-female, yin-yang dynamic. Just not romantic.

[@dvader518]

For more James Marsters, watch Marvel’s Runaways only on Hulu.

[@JHowesitgoing123]

I had no idea he was on that, might actually check it out though.

[@npe9483]

Or just watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer one of the best TV shows ever made...

[@AMoniqueOcampo]

YESSSSSS!!!! James Marsters at long last! AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

[@ms_scribbles]

Tsk! Never question Tosh's tech skills. ;)

[@jareththegoblinking3191]

Did u guys ever watch Buffy?

[@sophiefilo16]

7:46 Actually, that's somebody _else's_ first rules...

[@supersopie5364]

You guys better cry at some time this season

[@vexmek7682]

Cant wait for miracle day

[@nexu7217]

Time to start watching the show again. Stopped watching after this episode in my binge.

[@DedricSilva]

I wonder if you guys will talk about Whoniverses big finish audio stories?

[@ChrispyCulture]

People say Boe and Jack had no clues, but have you seen their lips and chin?!

[@melissaramato2237]

Love James M. As Captain John, he was so much fun. He is Spike, so Spike as Captain John, lapsp of Cockney accent tho. Still very hot! 💢Torchwood fun! 🐠👨🏻❤️

[@morningcoffeecat2271]

Fucking amazing season opener!

[@GiovaniPablo1]

Can't wait for them to get to miracle day

[@RonanCormack]

I can't wait to see yous watch doctor who time crash/ voyage of the damned then series 4 oh they are let's just say Fantastic

[@MavenCree]

Blowfish are often gangsters.

[@QueenMegaera]

Sidebar, but Eric's t-shirt is awesome! Anyone know where I can get one of those?

[@ChocolatierRob]

You think Jack has it bad when he dies and comes back you should watch Re:zero.

[@chandler4880]

Honestly while a big arc, i completely forgot about "Greg"

[@aidanschannel7183]

Could you guys watch just like one episode of the Sarah Jane Adventures? That way you'll all have an idea of that show and it'll help everyone better understand things later in Series 4.

[@luigiasylum9717]

they are, i think theyre watching 3 eps to fill the gap between tw s2 and tw coe

[@officialburkemusic]

They will :)

[@officialburkemusic]

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[@luigiasylum9717]

u should look at the pinned messages on the dw discord channel

[@dvader518]

They should at least watch until season 4 because a certain character makes a guest appearance in two stories.

[@namecomingsoon9517]

I keep forgetting jack is Malcolm Merlin

[@thewhovianwithasmallcollec7319]

Omg he found 50 shades

[@theunfamousone2818]

We need sarah jane adventures before the bees disapper

[@starwarfan8342]

YAY

[@EloImFizzy]

So you skipped a few weeks to catch up with Doctor Who, but now you are having a 2 week break on Doctor Who. Doesn't that mean you are going to have to do another catch up in the future?

[@mynameisbangable]

Now we all know what people think of Series 4...but I'm interested to see Americans' opinions on it...

[@miaskys1410]

I could see him having a kid.......

[@MrCzerillo]

Much more accepted in England, a whole 13 years ago.....

[@uchrisdaley]

John's jacket annoyed me the first time I watched it, spent the episode imagining how he could button it up lol and I feel that Jack only asks Ianto out when he found out Gwen was engaged, basically Ianto is his last resort.

[@morningcoffeecat2271]

razashield2617 haha I felt the exactly the same about his jacket XD

[@dbilly121]

You'll learn all about Grey as the season progresses don't you worry :P

[@austinfrostin4962]

react to erb hulk hogan vs kim jong-il plz erb

[@penileshenanigans2613]

Jack isn't the face of Boe. Watch season 1 episode 2, they say where Boe is born, doesn't match Jack. Just a joke they had

[@DeadPyro96]

They are being really frustrating with the whole Face of Boe thing. It was an obvious joke and it was just put there for fun, not some "epic reveal" or some shit. And I can't believe they are taking it so seriously. They start theorizing and shit instead of laughing it off as the gag it is like every normal viewer.