Tormek Japanese Waterstone - The nail in the WorkSharp coffin

[@defan2105]

The loudest sound on a video should be your voice not the background music. Viewers should not have to jump to turn the sound down. Helpful hint.

[@pauljohnson-yk5dq]

I own one of the original green-colored Tormek and still use it today for knifes and chisels. It still works pretty well. One thing I learned shortly after purchasing the Tormek is that this system can be a continuous money pit if you're not careful. I watched videos such as this and ended up buying some jigs that I use maybe ones every year. As most of you know, Tormek jigs are not exactly cheap. I ended up spending much more on add--on jigs than I did the original sharpener. My reaction to watching this video is that why would anyone need something that sharp. I certainly don't, not for $400 anyway. I do a lot of wood turning, and actually don't even use the Tormek for sharpening my turning tools anymore. It was a pain to constantly re-true the stone after the turning gouges carve grooves in them. For sharpening turning tools, I now use a regular dry slow-speed grinder with comparatively coarse CBN wheels. Works great, and never have to re-true the wheels. Yes, the Tormek did produced a finer edge on the turning tools. But as most wood turner will tell you, it's completely unnecessary. Also, if you have to re-shape a turning tool, you will be there all day with the Tormek. My experience with water stone is that they tend to be really soft. I speculate much softer than the original stone. If you're going back and forth between sharpening flat tools such as knives and chisels and sharpening round tools such as turning gouges and carving tools, you will be re-truing continuously, which will inevitably wear down this $400 stone in no time.

[@catfish307]

RIP headphones users. Deafening disco music ahead.

[@RIVERAEDGE]

😂😂

[@frankinpattaya]

Best thing I have for sharpening any blade, from knifes to drill bits, the water stone costs but it is the only thing to put a perfect finish on your job,, well worth the big cost, you won’t be disappointed.

[@darrenleighty7574]

Thanks for the time you took doing these videos...I've watched all the tormek ones you did...your efforts had a great impact on my decision to purchase the T-8 and the waterstone...Tormek should give you a referral bonus. Many thanks and good fortune to you. Also you are right that this system is worth the $$$. I purchased it to sharpen my and my families knives and though pricey....you get what you pay for.

[@robbabcock_]

Oh snap! I think I need a Tormek! I'm a water stone guy so having that option in a powered sharpener would be epic.

[@michaelschmidt6889]

Gread Vid but the Music is too loud in relation to the speaking volume....I have to ajust my volume permanent ;-)

[@dannybarton940]

Found it. Ok this was what I wanted to see. Thanks for the video.

[@wolvsbain]

I have a t4 and a t8 and either have a wheel wobble like that.

[@johnbluebeard4355]

Yeah, I think I'd return that wobbly wheel.

[@carolandpaulm]

Definitely on my Christmas wish list this year. Thanks for the videos. Awesome

[@unamusedarchitect1646]

Work sharp Ken onion does all this at a cheaper price. It’s easier to change between the grits and it doesn’t give your knife a micro hollow grind. Which for knives put through more abusive tasks is much weaker than the micro convex of the worksharp Ken onion

[@HarleyWood23]

Your assumption is that convex is superior in all use cases. And the hollow is microscopic. Not significant enough to even matter. Also, by the time you buy enough belts on the WS to sharpen as many as you can in the Tormek, you’ll end up paying more for the WS.

[@unamusedarchitect1646]

@@HarleyWood23 in hard use applications like I described them yes a convex will always be superior. Like with that Esee the gentleman was sharpening. If you read my comment then you would have read the part where I called it a micro hollow. The ws only creates a micro convex. In hard use I would love to see the difference in edge stability of the two grinds

[@userthor7386]

Tanks for the video. Bought at T8 with the Japanese waterstone because og this👍 No disrespect, but regarding the grinding - dont know if its a bad idea to pivot the knife/jig when grinding the blade "belly". But this will extend the distance and reduce the grind angle with a few degrees (or so it looks like in the video). I do a straight "pull" instead and when betting to the "belly" of the blade I lift the knife handle gradualy until reaching the blade tip while still moving the blade across the stone. This gives the bevel the same angle all the way.

[@HarleyWood23]

Thank you for the courteous feedback. I’ve seen it done several different ways but always open to trying something new. I appreciate the feedback and your time to watch.

[@sc00zy]

That is also the right way to sharpening “lifting” and not turning !

[@pleappleappleap]

Your music BLASTS me out of my CHAIR.

[@kamilatay1704]

Thanks for the time you took doing these videos. Very very usefull video...

[@pyrosis08]

Hi ! I have a worksharp KO edition, I like it, but it is so hard to not break the tip of any knife. I would like if we can sharp and polish knives with hard steel like s110v 20cv s90v,.... ?

[@DoktorThomas1956]

I agree! I bought the japanese waterstone and got the same experience. Just remember to clean with the fine side of the dressing stone every minute

[@d.k.1394]

@Lessko Brandon because u have to

[@gcruishank9663]

I've got the T8 and love it. Really enjoy sharpening on that thing. Scratching my chin on the Japanese waterstone, just because of the extra dough. As soon as I can justify it I'll make the leap.

[@rncftw]

Alright I need a tormek. Thanks for the vid.

[@Yolo_Swagins]

Mee too and i dont even sharp knives, lol :D

[@denniscaird6728]

Mirror finish might be attractive but the edge is what counts. Angles determine the efficacy. And why do you sharpen from the front of the unit? It's easier to control the pressure when looking down from the back.

[@AYellowPepper]

The Tormek is absolutely great IF you inted to make money with it. Eigther as a sharpening service, knife maker or Wood worker. Otherwhise things like the KME (for knife enthusiasts) or the Worksharp KO + Addon have many more options for the home gamer who likes sharp cutty things !

[@buckhorncortez]

Well..whatever it takes to self-justify the decisions you've made. I bought a Tormek 15 years ago because it saves time when sharpening. I don't make money with it, I just don't waste my time getting sharp knives and tools.

[@jasonwtheriault23]

With some experience, are you comfortable running a thousand dollar blade on the tormek?

[@G5Hohn]

I have a worksharp. It's OK but it's cheaply made, puts too much heat in the knives, and goes through belts at an alarming rate. I really want a T8 with the waterstone. It seems worth every penny. Oh, and Japanese waterstones feel like ceramic because they ARE ceramic.

[@AYellowPepper]

The original worksharp was. i reccomend getting the Ken onion package! It really gives the tormek a run for its money with the Addon! Especialy for tools since micro convex is stronger and has a longer "working edge" then micro concave with the tormek, wich has a better sharpness to begin with but dulls quicker

[@donham512]

you need to look into the Bess sharpness tester ... cutting paper and arm hair are not objective measures of sharpness ... it will improve your sharpening techniques and choices of sharpening grits ... that has been my experience with using both the tormek and wicked edge ...

[@cmmuskiet6998]

The thing is, work sharp is only around 120 or less depending where you find them. Tormek with the Japanese waterstone will put you over 1200. For 100 bucks, the work sharp will do a good enough job for me.

[@judd_s5643]

If you really want to cheap out just find a flat river rock….

[@mrfreeman1985]

2 little tips: 1: to loosen the nut just hold the leather wheel with one hand and turn the whole stone in the loosening direction. 2: clean the waterstone with the fine side of the preparation stone often because the pores clog up quite fast. other than that nice video :)

[@HarleyWood23]

yeah. Tormek told me the same thing after they saw this video.. Thanks for the feedback.

[@BackBurnerKitchen]

Kind of funny to see someone reviewing the tormek not knowing how to tighten and loosen it correctly. I struggled with mine when I first got it (didn't bother to read the manual). Glad Tormek let you know.

[@MollydogRadar]

I doubt if you will answer this question, considering the age of this post, but do you still recommend the T-8. I've seen a lot of professional knife sharpeners who are using belt type sharpeners. What is your take on this. Belt vs wet stone. I have been sharpening knifes for some time now, but need to find a way to do it faster. If I don't hear back in a couple of weeks, I am going to invest in the Tormek, simply because I don't like the thought of over heating the blade, using the bet sharpener.

[@jaykees5424]

It is not about scratches/tool marks in bevel. It about getting that rough edge out of your blade. And you had that rough edge @6:26. Polish that away. And that bevel is unevenly sharpened from the beginning.. You can see that by lightning. All those edges shine when you have right angle to light source. Regards, butcher/meat cutter and knife sharpener for 25 years.

[@johnnybeanz1296]

This looks like a fine product. But my worksharp, a diamond stone, and a strop gets my knives sharp enough for me for a lot less money and smaller learning curve. This product probably exceeds the needs of most guys. Obviously, it doesn't exceed the "wants." Nice review.

[@AlexKall]

There is also the little brother, the tormek t4 which is about half the price of the T8, but have most of the bells a whistles of the T8. Can also get the Japanese stone on that one :)

[@HarleyWood23]

Yep. Reviewed the T4 also. Check out my playlist of various sharpeners reviewed: kzbin.info/aero/PL9IS7xPfI3_JWcK1cBXgEw0MuxNm-5x-0

[@MichaelTravis12c27]

I've been lusting after this stone for my T7 for years. I guess I need to break down and just buy one.

[@HarleyWood23]

+Blue Mountain Bushcraft and Outdoors Yeah. I'm shocked. It would take me 3 times as long to do that on the Wicked Edge. Thanks for watching.

[@eachday9538]

Very nice. I think it is possible to get similar results with polishing compounds, but more skill and a lot more work required.

[@american1911]

If you could only have one system would you pick the Wicked Edge or theTormek for sharpening pocket knives?

[@HarleyWood23]

The Tormek. I sold both of my WEs and only have the T8 now. It's just so much faster than the WE.

[@danunger3240]

I have a T7; will this work on mine?

[@brentbistrisky405]

Hi Harley . I have a new japanese waterstone im curious to know if it should turn dark and dirty looking like greese on the wheel when useing it.Istart off useing clean water It seems to not affect the sharpening process at all this does not happen on my other stones

[@HarleyWood23]

Are you sharpening a knife with a coating? My esee knives turned mine black too.

[@brentbistrisky405]

@@HarleyWood23 do'nt think so, i have tried several different knives seems to do the same thing, do you clean the stone after each use, or is this just a normal thing that happens with is wheel

[@HarleyWood23]

@@brentbistrisky405 great question and I honestly don't know the answer. My ESEE was the first knife i sharpened, so I always just thought it was due to the coating coming off. That or the permanent marker that I use to confirm my grind. Only other thing I could think is that the carbon is somehow staining the stone. I'll do some research and see what I can find out.

[@brentbistrisky405]

@@HarleyWood23 Thanks you, I have tried looking for other videos but there are not too many with the japanese wheel i was thinking of calling tormak to see if they could give me any info. if i find something out also i will let you know

[@ronsellew5696]

Have you tried the CBN wheels yet?

[@mirocapin4759]

New techique, try not to follow the shape of the knife, just lift the knfe instead. Then you vill not loose the kontact witn the jigg holder and you will get an evan shape from the grip tp the top. I got this tip from a Tormek seller. Nice video but set the music down👍

[@jaykees5424]

That's right. Angle is different when you follow the blade. You have to lift blade when you reach curved section.

[@SergeantExtreme]

@@jaykees5424 I'm not sure I follow what you mean. Could you upload a video showing this?

[@jaykees5424]

​@@SergeantExtreme kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYvZdJV7qthjjdE Here you go. You have to lift handle to get same angle in tip of the blade. If you just follow, then angle will change.

[@johnkantar]

Harley. just a thought if I used diamond spray on the honing wheel would that work to get an even sharper edge say 1 micron

[@mackiemerritt7206]

is there any type of upkeep or refacing/refinishing that ever needs to be done to the Japanese Waterstone?

[@chadsellers4292]

What steel is that knife? Great video as always

[@HarleyWood23]

that ESEE is 1095 steel

[@667Gurba]

I have the T7 and have used only the stock stone and the knives get pretty sharp. I have no problem cutting newspaper with my knives. I really want the SJ-250 but it costs too much.

[@HarleyWood23]

+Espen Lund Yeah. The normal stone is fantastic and great for most use cases. The Japanese stone is more for those who like stupid-sharp and shiny edges.

[@667Gurba]

HarleyWood23 Yeah. I use the honing paste on the leather wheel which makes the honing wheel 6000 grit but it takes a while to polish.

[@erickuehne4194]

Not trying to be a dick but if the 4000 grit wheel doesn't provide a better edge than the honing wheel what's the point in spending $400? Convenience? Speed?

[@HarleyWood23]

it does it much faster and without the mess of the honing paste.

[@erickuehne4194]

@@HarleyWood23 Thanks.

[@martinhvam1031]

Good video! But turn down the volume on that background music in future videos! Or drop the music altogether, it´s your excellent review that´s interesting.

[@RyanKirk99]

Why blasting music???

[@knifesharpeningnorway]

Looked like a big wire edge or burr on it when you showed it up close? But looked sharp and nice in cutting the paper and after it 😊

[@snidley1956]

I have been waiting for this review. i am ordering the water stone! Thanks

[@HarleyWood23]

Theophilus Ross very welcome. Thanks for watching

[@OfficerPaterFamilias]

I just got some Kamikoto knives with a single bevel. Would this system work well on them? I imagine it’s like sharpening a chisel. Thanks

[@HarleyWood23]

From what i can tell (and i could be wrong), those have a very tall single bevel high flat grind, right? If so, this would not be the best solution for those. You would need a belt or flat stone system that allows for a VERY low grind angle.

[@dtsouza2519]

I very recently purchased the T8 with a few of the fixtures and the Japanese water stone. Yeah, this stone really raises the sharpening bar, probably out of reach for the others.

[@kfeltenberger]

Always, good! Makes me want to get into blades just so I can use one!

[@RodgerMyers]

Hi , Thanks for the info-comparisons ! I've had a Tormek for 10 years and enjoy it . I've read somewhere that the Map waterstone's rating of 4000 is in a different rating system & not really 4000 . What is your take on its rating ? Have you tried the 6000 grit & 2000 grit for the Ken Onion belt grinder ? 👍

[@brentpeake4236]

I dont know about being a nail in the coffin of the work sharp. The Ken onion edition with the blade grinding attachment gives a better result in my opinion with a perfect razor edge mirror finish with the 12000 grit belt for nowhere near the price of the tormek. However you cant sharpen chisels with it. In saying that, if i had the cash i would probably purchase a tormek as well.

[@brentpeake4236]

@@agentvx8320 Thanks heaps for the info. Will definately try that mate.

[@johnpaterson5705]

I used a ceramic post from a hand sharpening set to take the SG 250 way finer than the 1000 grit. The end finish was as good as the SJ 250 without the expense.

[@RodgerMyers]

Please explain what you used to get a finer grit for me . Thanks

[@ThekiBoran]

@@RodgerMyers Vadim at Knife Grinders uses cheap 3" x 7" diamond plates clamped in the square jig to change grits in the SG-250. He's got a video that shows how he does it. I just ordered a Tormek and I bought an extra square jig and some diamond plates for that purpose.

[@RodgerMyers]

@@ThekiBoran Thanks 👍

[@Aussiefish86]

What do you think gives a better edge now that you have used this system with the Japanese water stone compared to the wicked edge? Or have you found something better now? I’m looking to invest in the best system I can get as I have so many nice knives and don’t trust others to sharpen them.

[@HarleyWood23]

Wicked Edge has much higher grit stones available, so at a microscopic level, the WE would get better edges. With this Japanese waterstone, the Tormek produces a better edge than most would ever need...and it does it much more quickly.

[@Aussiefish86]

HarleyWood23 thanks for the quick response. I think I’m sold on this system and your videos have been a great help to me. Keep up the great work mate.

[@fcconstantino]

Honestly speaking do you think it is better rhan wicked edge? Do you think i would be able to sharpen victorinox fiolding knifes with this jig or i will need the small knife jig?

[@HarleyWood23]

Depends on what you prefer. If you want an edge with a 10,000 grit finish and you don’t mind spending hours sharpening, the WE is what you’d want. If a 4,000 grit edge is plenty-sharp, and you want it done faster, the Tormek is your best option. I exclusively use my Tormek now.

[@erics8595]

Hi Harley! Thank you for all your valuable information... Question... Can I use the TT-50 truing tool to clean up a corner chipped SJ-250? I would need to take off about 4mm. Or maybe I could just work my knives with the corner void imperfection and it wouldn't adversely effect me? Thank you!

[@HarleyWood23]

Eric S Either one. I chipped my stone as well. I didn’t want to true off that much so I was just careful sharpening. It didn’t affect the outcome of the edge at all. Your mileage may vary but I’d suggest trying it with a cheaper blade and see how it does.

[@erics8595]

@@HarleyWood23 Thanks very much Harley! With this stone, I generally grind going away from the blade edge instead of coming at the blade like I do with the SG. What's your thought on this as I'm new with the SJ? I'm afraid to catch the edge in that I heard this stone is indeed dense (4000) but soft. And now especially with an SJ edge nick and possibly catching it coming at the blade edge... Have a great Holiday!

[@HarleyWood23]

@@erics8595 I sharpen with stone turning into the blade about 95% of the time. That time i chipped my stone wasn't actually during sharpening. I was holding the knife in my hand and accidentally hit the stone while it was turning. Aside from that, I've never had an issue. That said, the guys at Tormek have told me a few times they've never seen a measurable difference. Hope that helps.

[@ThomasVoss]

Are you dulling your blade if you go to the honing wheel after the Japanese water stone?

[@HarleyWood23]

Thomas Voss No. Not at all. The leather will shine it up a bit but it's mostly aesthetic at that point.

[@PNG4x4]

Does this Japanese water stone need to be pre-soaked like other flat Japanese water stones do?

[@Smirnoff44]

No m8 you can stick it on give it a spin and it's good to go, however it might be thirsty initially so have some extra water to hand.

[@joeh14]

How does the Japanese water stone compare to the wicked edge sharpener?

[@HarleyWood23]

Joe H The Wicked Edge has grit options that are much finer than the 4,000 grit Japanese stone. However, other than impressing folks by tree-topping hairs, there aren’t many practical uses for a blade that sharp. The Japanese stone produces shaving sharp edges and does so in literally a fraction of the time. For me, the Tormek is just much more practical and efficient.

[@joeh14]

HarleyWood23 Thanks for the info. I love knives and sharpeners. My dad taught me on a stone and said a dull knife is a useless knife. I’m retired and thinking about doing this part time because I like it and to pick up extra cash to support my knife habit.

[@patpollack1109]

Just wondering if the Tormek is worth the money. I watched all the videos and I love to sharpen knives. Thinking about knife sharpening as a retirement hobby. Just thought I could make some extra money in the future. Keep up with the videos. I seen most of them and learned alot about new products. Thanks Pat

[@jrsbucket]

I realize that this reply is a bit late but I figured a retired gentleman such as yourself could still get some value from it. I, also, am retired and I use my Tormek T-8 to do just what you suggested -- sharpen knives for some extra bucks. I, too, was thinking about buying that Japanese waterstone but found that the standard SG-250 wheel gives a quite superlative finish for any and all of my customers. None of them would care for or appreciate a mirror finish on a knife they're just going to use to slice-up some home fries! Don't get me wrong, that Japanese Waterstone would be wonderful but, unless you're going to knife shows to do exhibitions, it just isn't necessary. Keep sharp!

[@fuckthisnames]

Hi! What is easier to learn for beginners or what would you recommend to them? Wicked Edge or Tormek System?

[@Masterfighterx]

From I can see, Worksharp is using belts, where this uses Waterstones and a leather wheel. I know what I would go with when it comes to sharpening.. Shaping is a different matter.

[@drivingmuffin]

Oh man, that looks like a nice addition to the Tormek :-)

[@YoungerGen-X]

If you get gouge in the whetstone, can you fix it by truing?

[@1960fusion]

Unbelievable, yea, you just made me spend another $400. Thanks for sharing!

[@HarleyWood23]

1960fusion Ha. Sorry man

[@1960fusion]

Lol...i'm sure you are! The Tormek is a great system, I have the T8...thanks again for taking time to create the videos, much appreciated!

[@pyrosis08]

@@1960fusion hey man ! what do you think about your T8 and the SJ250 ? I am hesitating to take the plunge

[@1960fusion]

@@pyrosis08 the T8 is great, i use it mostly for chisels and plane irons. I still use my wolverine to sharpen my turning tools. Honestly, i haven't used the sj 250 yet, just being lazy, but i plan on it soon.

[@joew1867]

After using this stone can you lay a hair Across a blade and cut it ?

[@justinnemeth8931]

Hey Harley, I bought the t8 and I have a question regarding this stone. As both stones wear at an uneven rate I'm already 10mm off mine in 3 months. This means that the diameter of the stones will vary. Is the difference in stone size causing any issues with the small hollow grind it does? Are you having to adjust angles between stones to compensate? Can you see any differences on the edge?

[@HarleyWood23]

Justin Nemeth Wow. You must sharpen a ton...or maybe lots of really beat up blades? It increases the hollowness ever so slightly, but with that wheel being so large, it’s hardly noticeable.

[@justinnemeth8931]

HarleyWood23 I have probably done maybe 50 blades, 10 needing an edge put back on them 8 pairs of scissors and resharpened my own pocket knives a few times. From what info I could find on the net a stone is good for about 900 blades average. You lose the most off the stone flattening it off right to the edges, but in order to get back as far as you can on the blade you have to do it unfortunately. Otherwise you end up taking scrapes out of the riccasso as you try to get right up to the plunge line. If only all knives had a nice sharpening choil.

[@fcconstantino]

I only carry small knifes such as delica of victorinox, which one do you think it would be betterr for me ? Tormek, wicked edge or other?

[@joew1867]

After using the Japanese water stone Can you still lay a hair across the blade And cut it ?

[@anthonyrampino7734]

is it possible to sharpen convex or scanti with this system?

[@HarleyWood23]

+Anthony Rampino You could do a convex by sharpening at multiple angles. Technically it would be a compound bevel but close enough. The high area on a scandi doesn't typically require much maintenance. This would do fine touching up the tip though.

[@anthonyrampino7734]

Ok thanks you sir

[@henrikcarlsen1881]

He should watch the videos on using that easy release nut. You know, hold the left hand on the polishing wheel, the right on the grinding wheel and rotate the grinding wheel the wrong way. Nut loosens right away. And the technique for sharpening the tip. Not as Tormek describes it. BTW. I just bought such a stone today and it works, even though I'm running it on a Tormek clone meant for Ø200 wheels.

[@Tomerus_NL]

Awesome video sir. Thank you. Just a question.. do you used the Angle Master to measure the angle or do you just use a Sharpie to color that small bevel and turn the stone once to see if you`re spot on? Would like to know..

[@HarleyWood23]

Thomas Hofmeester The Tormek comes with an angle gauge tool. I cover it in my precious video (link below) but I used a sharpie in this video. That's what all that black stuff is on the stone. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmmtiWptmLGEmJo

[@Tomerus_NL]

Say lets say you use the sharpie technique with a Scandi grind and for example a compund (double) bevel but for V grinds (kitchen knives) you set the angle with the Angle Master at an angle you would want and just sharpen away? Trying to learn here.. thanks

[@banksy50]

What he doesn't tell you is that you can't sharpen a scandi grind on the Tormek, unless you want an ugly secondary bevel which negates the advantages of having a scandi in the first place.

[@HarleyWood23]

David B You say that as if I intentionally leave it out to mislead. Should be pretty obvious and no tool is perfect for every grind.

[@Tomerus_NL]

Well I didn't know it can't do a Scandi. I see them sharpen a Mora in the older vids. So you can't do a Scandi because it will be concave after using it on a Tormek?

[@imnewtothistuff]

At about 6:15 it shows the wheel wobbling, not something I want to see from a $700+ machine!

[@HarleyWood23]

imnewtothistuff I didn't have it tightened down all the way. It doesn't wobble if done right.

[@vincentmondello2052]

Love these vids man, thanks. I figure since my shop ethics do not confuse motion with accomplishments, this system complete with every jig, Waterstone, etc would pay for itself in less than 6 months or less if someone stood over it that can turn and burn. I want to be the guy that points his finger at that guy and tells him "get er done" :)

[@Twilight_Charger]

Just took the plunge and ordered the t8, for putting primary bevels on my chisels and planes, then onto my Japanese water stones for a micro bevel. After seeing this video I'm thinking that maybe I should just use the primary bevel on the 250/1000 stone and then finish on the 4000 grit stone you bought? Cool videos, helpful content delivered in a interesting way. Keep up the good work.

[@LukePighetti]

I do not own either, but my interest is in recondition / primary bevel on the 250/1000, then water stone for all sharpening moving forward at the same bevel

[@johandomingo8330]

Dear HarleyWood23, Please Help! Can you tell me, it is possible to repair the SJ 250 Japanese Waterstone ? I have damaged it end I have 2 deep notches on the stone. I've tried to sharp one cheap knife and the knife twisted... Can I use the TT-50 on the SJ-250? Thanks in advance!

[@HarleyWood23]

yes, you can use the TT-50, but be very careful each time the diamond tip makes contact with the stone. Go slowly or you could break pieces off

[@johandomingo8330]

Thank you very much! I've contacted today the Tormek support in Sweden and they told me the same and I'm very happy, I can fix the stone... Thanks again! You have a great channel!

[@ericclement1592]

is it me or the camera or are the threads reversed for the wheels, it looks like you lefty tightened and righty loosened?

[@HarleyWood23]

Eric Clement Yes. That’s because the direction the stone turns. It would loosen the nut if the threads were standard orientation

[@ericclement1592]

ahh that makes sense. thank you lol i didnt know if was like a mirror effect from the camera, but that makes sense. thans

[@ashmerch2558]

You have an extensive playlist of excellent sharpening systems, but what's the beef with Worksharp? is it a Kme, Edge Pro, Wicked Edge or Hapstone... definitely not, but for the very error prone new user, its probably safer than a Tormek, although the Tormek is the superior sharpener. Dollar for Dollar, I'd say the Edge pro Apex 4 is your best bet. But if price isn't an issue, then I'd go with a wicked edge we-130, or WE- Pro gen 3

[@HarleyWood23]

I have no beef with the WS. The WS fans piled on unprovoked in some of my first videos, so knowing how easily butt hurt they got, I just like to rile them up. To address what you said though. The Tormek is actually far more forgiving for new users. The stone spins much more slowly than the WS belts. The water cooling also helps avoid ruining a heat treatment and making your edge brittle. Lastly, you’ll end up spending “Tormek” money in the long run anyways, busy the time you buy enough belt kits to sharpen as many blades as you can on a Tormek.

[@ashmerch2558]

@@HarleyWood23 oh, maybe it was just my own reservations about electric powered sharpeners... but I totally understand the WS fanboys.. they believe a $40 sharpening "system" is as capable as a wicked edge pro pack kit 😂😂. What you said about the Tormek does make sense, that's a big wheel with alot of life, it does adjust as the wheel thins though right? Even as very slow as it does

[@vaughnburrows]

is there a way to clean the stone?

[@HarleyWood23]

+vaughnburrows You can use a damp rag or a brush. It doesn't need much more than that. If you watch my full review, there's a magnet in the water trough that catches most of the metal slurry.

[@HarleyWood23]

I just learned that you can actually use the fine side of that stonegrader also. Thanks for watching.

[@dragonseggs]

Really? I would have thought the stone grader at 1000grit would roughen the SJ250 which is 4000grit if I got my numbers right. BTW... love your videos.

[@zerblatt3365]

Turn the stone to loosen the nut instead

[@Guitaural.]

No water mess on the Worksharp and Made in USA....they also have that sweet Ken Onion Knife sharpener...

[@HarleyWood23]

GuitAural No rounding the tip or overheating your blade, making the edge brittle on the Tormek. And by the time you sharpen as many knives as the Tormek can, you’ll buy enough belt kits and replacement motors on the WS to cost about the same either way.

[@Guitaural.]

@@HarleyWood23 ​ HarleyWood23 It's probably 6 to a half a dozen ultimately. I totally agree on buying great tools the first time. The WS seems more geared to a guy that already owns a grinder that also wants to sharpen chisels and planes, etc, and not fiddle w a bunch of jigs. Buying paper is a definite part of the picture though. I think they're both great solutions - certainly not slamming Tormek.

[@torontoknightking2391]

Just bought a CBN wheel for my T7. Cheaper than buying a new stone, and no more dressing. Cheers.

[@derekleung9370]

That thing was wobbling!!

[@HarleyWood23]

That’s what she said!

[@paulhinchcliffe4518]

Hi, I tried to comment on your original Tormek video, when you posted it, with some tips and advice, only problem was I got that carried away [it was about four paragraphs long] that I'd timed out and couldn't post. I've had the T7 for years, its a fantastic piece of kit, but one of my bits of advice originally was going to be, don't get the waterstone, yes it puts incredible finishes on edges but its incredibly easy to put a gouge in it, Ive only had mine on the machine about ten times and the diameter is about an inch smaller than the original stone already, as I've kept taking lumps out and had to re-true the gouge out. After you've wet them a number of times they seem to soften, about the same hardness as blackboard chalk, but I have used mine on all sorts of wood work tools not just knives.

[@HarleyWood23]

good feedback. thanks for sharing. I'll have to be very careful with it.

[@mh4392]

In Sweden, where the Tormeks are made, that stone for the T4 costs 150 dollars, and 230 dollars for the T8.

[@HarleyWood23]

Wow. Great price.

[@mh4392]

Yes, maybe the prices in the US will go down as they increase in popularity over there :) I can go down to my nearest hardware store and buy a T4 for less than 300 dollars, and that’s including the insane VAT we have over here.

[@Kumofan]

I'd assume you're supposed to use the 1000 grit first.

[@HarleyWood23]

Depends on your edge but typically you’d want a good edge on it before using this.

[@Kumofan]

@@HarleyWood23 Thanks for the reply. I thought that might be the case, considering that's what one would do with waterstones.

[@cz1always608]

Your not going to like me ... can you do a follow up on the 19 and your 43 . thinking of throwing 5/6 bill at a ZEV slide for just the slide alone . ? thanks great video unreal what that sharpener can do . thanks

[@HarleyWood23]

CZ 1always What would you like me to cover in a follow up?

[@cz1always608]

Just the durability of either of them . Not like dropping them in the mud or anything stupid like that . Jejerwerks offers a lot for the money . was going to buy an after market slide and build on it . big bucks either way . thanks Ya that was me that Pm you with the phone number . thanks again Jer

[@1_Moretime]

Very nice! Ty for sharing, bro.

[@escaflowne33055]

why continually target the WorkSharp if you don't want to hear people complaining? The Tormek is the well rounded champ, going past the knife sharpening. So it definitely could warrant it's asking price. Now for your Wicked Edge being the same cost, its intended use is pretty much knives only. I rather have something that can do knives, chisels, planes, axes, etc. so Tormek and WorkSharp are solid choices. (yes you could potentially use a Wicked Edge past knife sharpening but you'd have a lot of setup)

[@pauljohnson-yk5dq]

The price of the sharpener itself is just the start. The "necessary" add-ons will quickly add up to costing more than the sharpener itself. See my comment above.

[@ICheat_ILie_ISteal]

People complain about sharpening system price but no one is complaining about cell phone price.

[@MegaMoxica]

Probably because this video is about a sharpening system. Not a cell phone.

[@v3124]

@@MegaMoxica 😄

[@fcconstantino]

i mean, Delica of spyderco OR victorinox are the ones I carry.

[@michaelreilly8890]

Don’t know why the title Comparing the two systems is ridiculous. $200 for one and almost $1300 for the other. With the ultimate from worksharp you can for another $50-$60 get more belts to give your knife a mirror finish and use the extra money to buy more knives. It’s hard enough justifying what we pay for good knives without spending that much ,only for a sharpener regardless of what you say about how much we need this system. I sharpened my knives by hand on stones for years before finally getting a powered system that saves me so much time I could justify it. But I could no justify spending 5 times as much for something I would use a few hours a month

[@MrSoarman]

Awesome as it gets

[@fldiverjc4496]

glad to see your still enjoying the system..it is awesome and the Japanese water stone is money well spent..especially for us anal knife guys that aren't satisfied unless we get that mirror edge.. I must admit that since pulling the trigger on buying the tormek my other systems such as the WE and the WS as well as my kme haven't received as much love..lol great video

[@robertr2731]

Great video. I wish Tormek would sell a 100 or 75 grit. Swedish steel takes alot of time to rework. ❤

[@robertr2731]

@Findon Knife Sharpening Adelaide That's cool. I'm referring to grinding in a burr, Ganfor Bruk axes take forever to grind. Nothing against Tormek, It just takes a while to scrub a burr 😊

[@robertr2731]

@Findon Knife Sharpening Adelaide Yeah your cool man, I appreciate that. I apologize for not being specific. That's my fault 😊

[@3thirty689]

the biggest gripe I have about this system Is. You have one, and I don't lol. great video.

[@HarleyWood23]

+Rothrock Reliance Ha. Thanks for watching

[@biggathanyou]

That smile in your face...priceless ✌️😊i ordered my T8 yesterday plus the Japanese whetstone and i can’t wait to give it a try. I had good results with common whetstones, but it’s a hell of work and very time intensive. I think i would use my 6000 whetstone to do a manual finish at the end. I have some good japanese cooking knifes and i think with the t8 i should get the full potential out of them. Thx for the video....i ordered the t8 before i saw your videos...and i am most happy to see, what a great beast i just bought. 🤘😉

[@pyrosis08]

Hey man ! What do you think about your t8 and the js250 ?

[@biggathanyou]

It’s pretty good. Glad to bought it, especially the J 250.

[@Smirnoff44]

Hi how did you find the sj on your Japanese knives as I'm thinking of getting one for mine?

[@pyrosis08]

still happy with your tormek ?

[@lukeschwebke637]

love it thanks for the vid! I'm going to get one.

[@simonhouweling9771]

Do not lift and tilt, best result when you lift the knife handle to your nose.

[@ericclement1592]

how long does the stone last? for 400 dollars, it better be a long time lol

[@HarleyWood23]

+Eric Clement Hard to know. I’ve sharpened about 50 knives since getting it, and it hasn’t reduced in size at all. I would imagine you could do hundreds.

[@ericclement1592]

Good to know, I will have this, among a few other knife sharpening systems, since I just started a knife sharpening LLC, but for that money, I want at least a thousand knives, with proper use, to justify that price, dont get me wrong, I already ordered it, I have used a friends and I love it, and it is not my only sharpening system obviously. I was more curious if theres anyone out there that have sharpened 500 plus knives.

[@rhino67]

Yes Sir... IF you do knife sharpening as a business... For 99% of us slack jawed idiots out here there's a $45 harbor freight 1"belt option that works insanely well to edge your blades with the leather belt doing a great job....

[@robertr2731]

Lol it's probably $800 now. Thanks Brandon

[@d.k.1394]

Scary sharp