Torque converter adjustments to go faster green spring VS red

Torque converter adjustments to go faster green spring VS red
Compared the green spring to the red spring on the Predator 212-powered Colamne CT200U-EX minibike to see which would perform the best out of the two.
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[@thereal_bigchop]

Great video, I had questioned the T/C on how much MPH I can get out of it! Now that I know I can change the springs I might consider it a little more!! Another great video🤙🏻

[@Black66]

Thanks! I got into the 60's with a TAV. Check out the Coleman CT200U-EX and Mega Moto 212 playist for more videis with the TAV. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jmG2nnSQf5ukjZo

[@kylesyx8432]

I’ve wondered the same thing. My 212 mod 2 is pulling good just top end isn’t where I want it. I’m topping out at 45-47 just want a little more,( without redlining the engine)but I don’t wanna effect my bottom end too much ! Maybe dropping rear sprocket from 60t - 58t would be the easiest / cheapest change ! Any input is welcomed 👍

[@Black66]

@@kylesyx8432 Yes! I have gotten a 60+ MPH top speed with a TAV on the Mega Moto bike running a 40 rear sprocket. If you haven't seen the video check it out...kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHjbo6yOebqeqpo

[@anewman1]

Still the only minibike channel I watch. Cheers 🍻

[@Black-Widow]

You should now do a series on attempting to make it street legal. Buy and install turn signals, side mirrors, brake lights, and maybe even go to the DMV? would be awesome

[@kylesyx8432]

It may just be me but I can hear you much better than before. Mic is good! Love your videos, you have helped beyond words!❤ Tnkz 👍

[@emoryholley4711]

I will be needing this for my gokart build!!!

[@hellheart1993]

You are awesome this is where I'm working at now trying to find ways to get my jackshaft running I can only top out 39mph Governor bypass racing jet with the stock 18 lb valve springs and a 37 tooth on a rear I can only do 30

[@mlindsay527]

Ended up with a yellow spring in the tightest hole for my hill climbing bike. I think it was more important with the Comet driver. With a Juggernaut, wasn’t really needed, as the Juggernaut stays in a lower ratio longer on its own. It be cool to see some 1/8th mile times and hill climbs if you get the opportunity.

[@Black66]

Check out the next video. We Tune the juggernaut. Also, check out the CT200U-EX playlist for many videos and combs with this bike.kzbin.info/www/bejne/jmG2nnSQf5ukjZo

[@honeybadgeractual5734]

Try an overdrive Lockout ring as well. It's a small spacer that slips over the brass bushing on the driver pulley under the belt. Depending on how wide you make it, it prevents the pulley from going into the 0.9 to 1 overdrive, which can sometimes severely hinder the engines ability to hit it's max RPM ranges, where it actually makes it's power on some built up motors.

[@Deucealive75]

He's using a Juggernaut. They never even make it to 1:1. A lockout ring would be used on the stock driver.

[@rogermcdonald1607]

I love your comparisons and really enjoy your channel. What is your body weight so we as viewers can compare what we should see? Keep the videos coming sir! ✌🇺🇸🎥

[@gregswafford9839]

I ditched my 38 rear sprocket I had on and put my stock 50 back on. My setup engine wise like yours, I'm just running a 20" tire and it liked that gearing better. I'm probably heavier than you also at 260lb. I've topped out at 58mph. Great video though always enjoy, keep the content coming.

[@Black66]

Thanks! Yes, weight makes a big difference on these setups. Check out the next video, we tune the juggernaut.

[@marquislewis1767]

How does one account for weight. I have a stage 2 tilly, vm22, and juggernaut. I weigh 240. Running 19” tires. I have a 42t,46t,and 50t. In this video its a 4:1 ratio. To get similar results with more weight is 5:1 better?

[@Spacecruizer203]

I always liked this one when I finally retire I'll be happy with this coleman just cruising into the sun

[@Guitarhero1000]

Ohhhh roberttto! Good vid my man!

[@thirdgenmacgyver2626]

I've seen videos where guys measure the distance between the holes and add another one past the third for Max tension on the spring, might be worth a shot.....

[@andrewkuhtz]

Black 66 thanks alot for sharing this. I always wondered what difference the springs and position made…i just put a 224 mild build with cl1 cam on my bike like this with stock jackshaft. It goes 44mph with a 40 tooth sprocket and 21” tall tires. Maybe its time to put the torque convertor back on it with a juggernaut👍

[@smokey-smore]

Put a 27 tooth that would fly

[@honeybadgeractual5734]

They also make stronger clutch springs for a clutch that engages higher in rpm, and you can make lock out ring that lets it stay out of overdrive, if you make it right you can get 1 to 1 or 1 to 0.9 ratio which should let a high revving engine actually hit it's higher ranges without too much of a struggle.

[@Black66]

Check out the next video. We tune the juggernaut.

[@FreeRunMonster802]

This is what I'm curious about, I'd like to see a tc with a stronger spring maybe even different weights in the stock style driver and compare that to a juggernaut @black66

[@Sinmatic1981]

I got a the green spring same set up

[@AOA1024]

Got all new parts but I'm having some belt slippage on the back pulley. Everything's lined up nice an the belts the right size.. Think the green spring would help grab the belt better? Or maybe have an idea of what other things to check? Normally if I have this issue it's the clutch which is an easy fix. Anyways love your contact keep it up man.

[@PopeMcGrope]

just did this a week ago, green in the right most clock wise position + 60T R sprocket

[@marquislewis1767]

What’s your top spotted with that setting?

[@Deucealive75]

If you are using the stock driver the green spring in that position is the worst. He's using the Juggernaut driver which is very different. Put the red spring back in the left most clock wise position and notice much better acceleration (0-30). The Juggernaut wouldn't work very well with the 60 tooth.

[@shrugger1]

What app are you using? I've tried a couple and they were very meh.

[@eastsliders_drift_trikes_nz]

How about the yellow spring compared to red?

[@hellheart1993]

I never knew you could do that with a torque converter. two questions: is it possible to put the electric motor on a big frame like this bike ? And is there a way to switch one of the gears on a jackshaft? You know it got a 20 tooth and 10 tooth sprocket. Is there like a 11-20 tooth you could swap out for it? I got a mb200 with rear shocks and I'm not able to put a torque converter on it because of the frame and Im not sure if I can one chained. So I'm slowly now days😩

[@Black66]

An electric motor would be easy to put on a big bike. There is a lot of room for all the components. I think running a QS138 on a big bike would be awesome! Yes, there are different gear sets for the torque converter.

[@Codys-Channel]

How many teeth on front sprocket? Love the content!

[@Black66]

Thanks! It's running a 10-tooth front sprocket

[@ConnorJohnsville]

Hey do u have any extra 19-7-8 tires I really need one and mines is bald love your videos

[@Black66]

Right now I have a lot of smaller stuff. I will soon when I swap the stock tires out for street tires on a couple of the bikes.

[@thaphreak]

Black66 must weigh like 140lbs after a double whopper to get these speeds :)

[@Deucealive75]

Sure with a Juggernaut. Try that with the stock driver. I tested this for the fun of it and the green spring went right in the garbage. With the stock driver you want the red spring in the tightest hole or better yet the yellow spring.

[@nekowife]

what exhaust is that? looking for that on my coleman but i'm worried about getting one that runs into my fender or any of the bars in that area.

[@Black66]

Here is the video on the exhaust. Check out the CT200U-EX playlist for many combos with this bike kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6fVhIaba6tgkNk

[@LordFred69]

IDK...THE NUMBERS ARE SO CLOSE AND ANY NUMBER OF VARIABLES LIKE AMOUNT OF GAS IN THE TANK OR SLIGHT HEADWIND COULD ACCOUNT FOR THESE SPEED DIFFERENCES.

[@Black66]

Yes, I agree, but its fun testing this stuff, and thats what it's all about for me.

[@jamesa6272]

Not so patiently waiting for your yellow spring comparison to green and red! I’m looking for best acceleration!

[@Black66]

I have so much stuff going on right now. I'll try and get to it.

[@jamesa6272]

@@Black66 start working out now you need to be Hercules to put the yellow spring in 😂😂

[@Black66]

@@jamesa6272 I'm skinny , I might not be able to get it in there lol

[@jamesa6272]

@@Black66 I take the driven off. Wind it and stand on it and pray to get the clip on

[@dabosssr24]

Have u tried changing tav2 rear sprocket.

[@Black66]

Check the playlist. Have swapped many rear sprockets on the bikes kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHnJaqyAosaNgqM

[@paulluffman519]

Can anyone please tell me what kind of back tire I need for my Coleman ct200uex I live in the hood. I bought a street Tire and ended up having to put seven plugs in it. I need a all-terrain tire that is good for 70 mph. Any help would be greatly appreciated it's hard for me to buy parts. I only had that Street Tire for 3 or 4 days and had to start plugging it.

[@brdllc]

I’d recommend the Sunf all terrain tire Forsure

[@paulluffman519]

@@brdllc thank you

[@WhiskersTheFish]

From what I've seen, the spring adjustments really don't affect the juggernaut torque converters. Regular 30 series drivers have overdrive, and I've seen that changing spring positions and changing springs will greatly affect the top speed and acceleration of standard drivers. Maybe your top speed doesn't change much because the juggernaut doesn't have overdrive?

[@ethanmonjure361]

King canyon 🤝

[@vampexz5188]

Hey what’s up man ! Where kan I order that exhaust?

[@Black66]

I made the exhaust out of a GPS exhaust. Check out the CT200U-EX playlist for the build video kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHnJaqyAosaNgqM

[@troy22nd]

Where did you get the pipe from?

[@Black66]

Here is the video on the exhaust. Check out the CT200U-EX playlist for many more combos with this bike. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6fVhIaba6tgkNk

[@theoldfartschannel3692]

I did that mod to the driven clutch and got both quicker acceleration off the line and a higher top speed by adding 10 teeth to the rear sprocket allowing the engine to wind to a higher RPM.

[@marquislewis1767]

Whats size sprocket did you use? And what was your top speed?

[@johnbergendahl878]

Yea we wanna know

[@ineedspxce]

Lmao I’m working on mine right now just what I needed

[@Black66]

Check out the CT200U-EX playlist. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jmG2nnSQf5ukjZo

[@marquislewis1767]

I’ve been very curious on this subject lately. Curious to know if you have tried a top speed run in the first hole? To my understanding the first hole gives the most top end and the third hole gives the most torque

[@WyFoster]

Sort of. The more you preload the spring, the more it holds the engine at a higher RPM. It's like putting your car into sport mode, keeping it a gear lower. It will still go the same speed, it will just get there quicker from being in a shorter gear. At the cost of fuel economy and extra wear and tear from the higher cruising RPM.

[@marquislewis1767]

@@WyFoster so i have a brand new green spring as well but haven’t installed it yet. Is the middle hole the best option for all color springs? Theres a couple videos on YT showing that the juggernaut likes the 1st hole for the least amount of spring tension

[@WyFoster]

@Marquis Lewis Really depends on your engine build. The more aggressive it is, the more preload. The green spring is stiffer. It's like if you came up with a 5th or 6th hole for the red spring. Not a magic bullet. It's more of a tuning aid. Most of the magic is in the driver clutch in terms of stall speed.

[@dmmartinez62]

thank you

[@Deucealive75]

@@WyFoster The green spring I got must be defective. It has the lightest tension of the three and the worst performance with the stock driver. I use the yellow spring in the tightest hole to get the highest RPM at the belt shift. 800 RPM higher than the green spring.

[@johnk6346]

That is very technical 🙄

[@martinwagnerproductions]

So to recap, the first hole far left has the best top end, and the hole all the way to the right has the best torque

[@Deucealive75]

The recap should be that there's no noticeable difference with a Juggernaut unless you have a stopwatch. The springs make a big difference with the stock driver but are a waste of time with the Juggernaut.

[@martinwagnerproductions]

@@Deucealive75 good point

[@believerofchrist2481]

I put a green spring on mine with the juggernaut and I lost top speed. went from 52 mph with the red, to 44-45 mph with the green.

[@royalknight4742]

I thought the green spring was made for not slipping?

[@mark501w]

55 mph is about it ,unless you restrict the driver pulley.

[@paulluffman519]

I know this is a stupid question I have a 19 x 7-8 Tire. A friend gave me a 5.7 0-8. It looks like it's about 3 inches shorter than 19 inches

[@cryptochipsanddips7929]

Can you do that to mine... Please I will pay what you ask

[@spikemandan]

Do you understand why this happens…..?

[@pilbomags488]

Not really worth it

[@rednecksdoitbetter491]

We have the same set up but I have the torque zilla and a 46 tooth sprocket with sunf street tires that measure 21 inch tall and I do 63? What’s the difference and yes that’s in mph

[@Black66]

I believe it. I got the Mega Moto 212 into the 60's and the 3 second range from 0 to 30 with a 30 series in this video. Check it out. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHjbo6yOebqeqpo