Torvalds says AI is 90% BS, no big AI is FOSS, Fedora 41: Linux & Open Source News

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Grab a brand new laptop or desktop running Linux: www.tuxedocomputers.com/en#

[@curious_banda]

You should just try using debian testing

[@mal-avcisi9783]

I hate tuxedo. It's so bad. It's the worst distro I ever tried. Even react os is better

[@nikluz3807]

Someone should release an open source AI model called BS AI

[@Skyverb]

Give it time. During crypto boom someone made a coin called ponzi-coin and people still bought it. What did guy do? Rug pulled X'D Why would people buy it???

[@kashmirwillwin3124]

@@Skyverb yeah and one of the crypto streamers caught a live rugpull of a coin called $SQUID named after squid game

[@MateuLeGrillepain]

To my understanding there's already six Common Canvas models for image generation, where each is only trained on images compatible with each of the six licences.

[@thierrybo6304]

BullShit Ai?

[@stacksparrow]

BSD AI

[@zerrubabbel]

Plain and simple: If a game explicitly refuses to support Linux, or if a kernel level anti-cheat is required, Then I'm no longer going to support that game. I'm not excited that this position may make things more difficult for developers, but I trust Windows so little that I'm not left with an alternative choice. Farewell, Apex!

[@MasterGeekMX]

Ironically many people do the exact opposite and leave out Linux as it does not support their game or app.

[@MarcoPivetta]

Same: 1000+h on Apex, time to say goodbye 👋

[@owlmostdead9492]

Are you insane? Anti-cheat doesn’t belong in the kernel because it doesn’t belong on the client to begin with, do you want an arms race in the kernel, just like in windows? The only fix acceptable is for kernel level anti-cheat to die out and switch to server side anti-cheat.

[@googIesux]

All of this

[@77wolfblade]

These publishers don't want to invest in a server side anti cheat. They rather the kernel Because it's cheaper.

[@owlmostdead9492]

@@77wolfblade server side anti-cheat wouldn't even need much resources since you don't have to do it in real time, just ping player data every 10 seconds or something and if anything fishy is in the player behaviour (basic data like movement speed, how often does a players line of sight target a player he can't see, accuracy etc) ban him, so a cheater could potentially cheat for ~10 seconds until ban.

[@the-sz8sq]

@@owlmostdead9492 The client can just lie about that information. The golden rule of server side anti cheat is to never trust the client.

[@owlmostdead9492]

​@@the-sz8sq All data that is used to identify cheating is already present on the server since it's needed for basic functionality, you don't ask the client at all. If you ever experienced "rubber banding" due to packet loss, it's basically the server going "nah ah, your XYZ coordinates are wrong".

[@longlost8424]

"Torvalds says AI is 90% BS".... understatement of the millennia.......

[@Ragebait01]

It is nothing but overhyped algorithm. Yes, it is useful but people hype it too much

[@longlost8424]

@@Ragebait01 search engine accelerated...

[@esaedvik]

He's very optimistic.

[@muhammadyusoffjamaluddin]

It's funny people trust him for that alone, he's in his dellusion about AI (in his own box) while programmers (eventually not him...) knows AI not only ChatGPT and Medic thing. I mean, who knows what Tesla is doing, Linus still have some empty space on that big forehead to fill in about AI...

[@longlost8424]

@@esaedvik lol

[@VektrumSimulacrum]

More so won't support these games that insist on installing rootkits in my OS.

[@MaloryHovell]

They install rootkits into the OS and still haven't posed a threat to cheaters.

[@amiablereaper]

​@@MaloryHovellyeah the fact that apex has kernel level AC and STILL has a cheating epidemic is proof tjat KLAC is nothing but hot air

[@HontoNeet]

Kernel-level anticheat is just malware. One of the biggest if not the biggest reason why people switch from Windows to Linux is privacy and security; you can't have a nice secure Linux system with a rootkit on it. Good riddance, Apex. Linux not supporting unacceptable standards is not a failure of Linux, it's a failure of the industries that push anti-consumer technologies. People should be able to use Linux for their daily driver machine with all their personal stuff AND their gaming stuff, and dual booting makes no sense for privacy when you still have all the same SSDs installed. Accepting this argument that kernel-level anticheat is the answer to cheating is like believing drug prohibition stops people from doing drugs.

[@cameronbosch1213]

Exactly. Did people learn NOTHING from Crowdstrike!?

[@thatoneannoyingtornadosire8755]

apex fails to understand that the cheating tools aren't limited to just linux. most cheating tool creators have their software run on both windows and linux if needed. so essentially it's just an incredibly lazy decision that will barely take care of the problem.

[@HontoNeet]

@@thatoneannoyingtornadosire8755 It's all about upholding this myth that more control over the user's computer and their data means less cheating. Anticheat can be handled server-side and it doesn't even require machine learning, although that would help a lot. So much of it is mere statistical analysis, you don't need a rootkit running on players' PCs in order to determine that the guy whose cursor instantaneously flicks to head hitboxes and hits them 100% of the time, hitting heads the instant a single pixel comes around a corner, is in fact cheating.

[@hastyscorpion]

Except, it does dramatically reduce the number of cheaters in your game. Valorant has significantly fewer cheaters than CS. Cause valves anti cheat is shit and Riots is actually does something. That isn’t really arguable. It might be “ anti consumer” in your eyes. But it is providing a service the consumer wants. A competitive game with noticeably fewer cheaters in it. I am absolutely willing to play a game with Kernel level anti cheat to play a competitive game that is actually competitive. I can isolate that system in other ways.

[@tauon_]

@@hastyscorpion you don't need kernel-level or even client-side (although this is better, see vac and warden) anticheat to ban cheaters though. kernel level anticheat is pointless, as cheaters can always go one level higher. for instance, we are already seeing UEFI based cheat programmes that auto-inject into games, and the kernel can't see anything wrong because the cheat is neither kernel level nor a program.

[@cameronbosch1213]

Actually, EAs' argument is very feeble; there _is_ a way to check for a tainted Linux kernel. The problem is, the Nvidia propietary driver, the one you currently need to play games on those systems, taints the kernel. I wouldn't be surprised if EA took some sort of deal with Microsoft for this to happen, given they posted a drop in revenue one day prior.

[@vnc.t]

issue is, many things can taint a kernel in windows or linux. nvidia drivers, vmware, some weird driver for some weird peripheral, etc... the rootkits allow that to happen they only check if the game is being tampered

[@kreuner11]

The kernel can also be not tainted if the kernel module is simply marked as GPL

[@kuhluhOG]

the thing is, the only thing which would actually work for this would be bit 12 "externally-built (“out-of-tree”) module was loaded" but if you have the source code to the kernel module (and the kernel but that's a given), you can fake that to not show up obviously this is quite a bit of work, but it can be automated so that cheaters would not have a tainted kernel without too much hazzle

[@BenjaminWheeler0510]

Even if the nvidia driver is signed?

[@kuhluhOG]

@@BenjaminWheeler0510 a tainted kernel has nothing to do with that it's literally just "is it an out of tree module or not?" (there are also other reasons why the kernel can become tainted)

[@fishhhvh]

As a person who used to be a huge fan of AI long before it became mainstream, it's honestly sad to see it go down this path. What could've been a great technology used to improve our lives, instead became an annoyance

[@sativagirl1885]

yes, it's like the death of USENET, BBS dial-up modems and the RadioShack Battery Club

[@voidneco]

Oh definitely, it became a lot more tainted at the point corporations realized just how much money could be made off of it and the moment actual models that they wouldn't need to spend their own resources on popped up

[@edcrypt]

An annoyance at best, a tool for exploitation and to obsfuscate liability more likely.

[@WaterShowsProd]

It reminds me of what happened with Virtual Reality in the early-to-mid-1990s. The technology was hyped in films and media making it look like it was capable of much more than it actually was at the time, so when people saw real VR in action they were terribly disappointed and interest evaporated. It's only recently that the public became interested again, despite computer power being up to the task 20 years ago. Now, with computer power already in place, it's even easier for marketing to over-hype A.I. As a side note: last year all of the e-learning voiceover work disappeared because companies wanted to use A.I. generated text-to-speech. They quickly realised how bad it was, and returned to hiring voiceover artists. The difference however was that they wanted real people quality at A.I. costs! The real villain in the A.I. saga is greedy companies' implementation of A.I. and not the technology itself.

[@not-underscore]

Yeah; I remeber seeing CaryKH's videos of "Training an AI to dance" or others and I thought it was cool 😢

[@hindigente]

Niche applications for AI such as protein structure prediction are still super cool. More focus should be given to AI research as specific tools rather than as "general purpose" large generative models.

[@marflage]

I know right. Consumer AI is not as useful as when AI is used to actually help in solving the "real-world", "hard" problems. AI is supposed to aid not replace humans, but somehow these companies somewhat market AI as a riddance tool for humans. I have always been fascinated by AI predicting protein structure to AI playing games to solving hard coding problems, rather than the current meta about being a digital assistant. I do not know how to put it, but AI is supposed to help us identify the intricate flaws in our current designs across the industries. It is supposed to make us more efficient by enabling us to offload the heavy stuff/computing to AI and let us be more humans than ever before.

[@definitlynotbenlente7671]

​@@marflagethe big issue is that having a workstation capable of running AI gets really exspensive

[@rufuspilula247]

Their Anti-Cheat arguments are really bad. First of all, lots of online games, including competitive ones, work on Linux just fine. And in most of them cheating isn't an issue. And second of all, anti-cheat checks do not belong on the client at all. This is like making payment processing client-side, then expecting the OS to grant you kernel-level permissions to prevent faking transactions and giving yourself free DLCs. I mean, hello? All this stuff makes me believe the theory that Microsoft is forcing these game publishers to kill Linux support.

[@arazilsongweaver]

My current theory is that Microsoft is using Windows 11 security technologies to push for locking down general purpose computing so that Windows 11 is the only feasible mass market option for a "PC" device. It would not surprise me if they had an internal marketing campaign selling Windows 11 as "the only secure gaming platform" to multiplayer game companies. It ties in nicely with their other anti-competitive and monopolistic initiatives (e.g. "Secure Boot by default").

[@nobbyfirefly57]

I mean, they don’t even need to provide active Linux support. All they need to do is enable one checkbox and the players can do the work for them.

[@MrGamelover23]

​@@arazilsongweaverSecure boot is objectively a good thing. The bad part is where Microsoft is the sole authorizer of it.

[@MrGamelover23]

​@@nobbyfirefly57They did, and they claimed that either a disproportionate amount of cheaters use Linux, or spoofed Windows as Linux, which somehow lets them work around the anti-cheat. Of course, they didn't provide any hard data, so we're just taking their word for it, which is lame. I would have liked to see some hard numbers.

[@Shan7y77]

Whatever EA say it won't makes sense. If there's something they need to do is a better moderation on their system. We don't want tired "evil" party companies with a backdoor on our systems. We have enough, that's why I use Linux in the first place.

[@cameronbosch1213]

Also, there is a way to see if the kernel is tainted. The problem is that the Nvidia propietary drivers taints it.

[@vnc.t]

​@@cameronbosch1213this isn't the solution, tainted doesn't mean cheat. same is true on windows, kernel anticheats check what is going on with the game process, they don't block you because you have a 3rd party driver. I am a gamer I also use vmware, vmware has a kernel module

[@drewnewby]

In before all the comments saying Linus is wrong. 90% is conservative. Data mining algorithms on specialized silicon, aka AI, will be used for marketing and advertisement largely for some time to come. I can't think of a use case more BS than that.

[@tabularasa0606]

It is already used for marketing. They're toys that attract attention, and attention attracts investors. And the investors and majority of the users don't understand the workings, so it is a win for the company that hypes their toys.

[@drewnewby]

@tabularasa0606 Yes, I'm saying 90% is conservative, it's much closer to 100% already and for some time to come, until the bubble bursts...

[@ScoutReaper-zn1rz]

What we call AI today is a far cry from what the original definition was. EDIT: Even in the game series Mass Effect they had AI and VI. The VI stood for virtual Intelligence and did what we call AI today, only that what we have today pales in comparison to even the VI in Mass Effect.

[@chaddesrosiers1107]

NO no kernel level anti cheat. Forget that idea. I don't think Valve would be that stupid... but if they try and force kernel modules for anti cheat it is the END of Linux gaming. I will not allow the types of companies that create anti cheat software to hook into my kernel. Hell no. Frankly if those game companies don't want my business I'm fine with that. There are ways to do proper anti cheat without hooking into the kernel. Do not let them gas light you. If people really really want to open themselves up to hard drive scraping and worse just run windows, put it in a VM if you wish. Game companies will not be screwing with my kernel.

[@ScottBaker_]

Have to fix the statement at 3:40 about the source of training data. "They grabbed everything available." These companies have massive amounts of non-public data and no reason to not usr it. Check the TOS for Meta, MS, Google, etc.

[@ebattleon]

FYI. Mozilla has open source voice training data.

[@eemanemm]

Your take on Anticheat is wrong. You can and should never trust the client and kernel level anti cheat is just a recipe for disaster.

[@fluffy_fluffinity]

Also, to the people here who say "good riddance" to Apex no longer supporting Linux: yeah, kernel level anti-cheat shouldn't be a thing. This should happen on the server. But in the end it doesn't matter how much you are in the right about that. If people can not play play the games they wanna play on Linux, they will stay on Windows. Doesn't matter how much it sucks if it's your only option available

[@oflameo8927]

In that case, Apex should stop operating so we don't have to have this issue to consider.

[@Siltprogramation]

I just want to point out that AI is not only LLMs and that AI tools and algorithms have been used for years in many areas. Examples are your smartphone camera, recommendation systems, Google Translate, or video games (even things as simple as the state machines of Pacman ghosts). This whole AI gold fever is a disgrace for the field.

[@domsob92]

Exactly! People confuse AI for LLM because of the hype. Chess programs are AI, GPS navigation is AI (A* algorithm), image recognition, etc.

[@Zeni-th.]

NN = AI these days

[@domsob92]

@@Zeni-th. even if that was true, LLMs are just a subfield of NNs. However, threre are researchers in AI that argue for hybrid approaches of NN with symbolic reasoning.

[@Zeni-th.]

@@domsob92 No I mean NNs are called AI for marketing nowadays lol

[@domsob92]

@@Zeni-th. I agree that marketing is abusing the term AI.

[@michiduta07]

Kernel level anti-cheat is a definitive NO. Any game that has this type of anti-cheat requirement is an instant skip for me. I'm disappointed you are shilling out for corporations injecting a closed source kernel module in your open-source system to play a video game.

[@savage5757]

11:50 I wouldn't want this "problem" to be solved - I like that Linux doesn't allow games to infect the system at the kernel level

[@savagepro9060]

I upgraded to Fedora 41 YESTERDAY! Stately Royal Penguin!

[@AtomkeySinclair]

AI is marketing. Period. LLMs are fancy calculators for pattern matching and extrapolation inside a massive list of managed nodes in a network. Whoopie.

[@pyepye-io4vu]

Yep, people don't get it.

[@tabularasa0606]

Correct.

[@AtomkeySinclair]

@@tabularasa0606 For you and @pyepye-io4vu ~ If three people note this in two weeks among the aggregate... then what are the chances of convincing people it isn't sentient. Thank you Hollywood.

[@derekr54]

AI is a joke at this time,one day when humanity stops hyping the latest "IN" thing,AI may be of use but only as an assistance to the human brain power not as a replacement for it. Both Fedora 41 workstation and KDE versions run smooth as butter on my rigs. Tuxedo OS 4 is stable and smooth got the upgrade two days ago.

[@winmac2565]

Fact: Tuxedo OS is rock solid on my Classic 5,1 Mac Pro!

[@TheDarkKratoz]

The Apex thing feels like a cop-out to me. You've identified people who are cheating through the Linux loophole? Moderate them. Ban them. Clearly you have the ability to do so, just aren't willing to make the effort over using EAC's auto ban features.

[@owlmostdead9492]

Dnf literally in 12 years has not once failed me, I’d be interested how it failed for you

[@bramgn]

I agree. Have used both apt and dnf extensively and dnf feels more robust, albeit not as fast as apt. In addition it has features like 'swap' to swap two packages that other packages depend on.

[@christianjensen7699]

I think the syntax of dnf is the best. install, upgrade, remove, provides. So much better than the -Su syntax or message this-that hyphening everywhere. DNF was slow compared to alot of its competition. It is pretty solidly fast now

[@AsheLucia]

DNF is supper robust for me too. Never had an issue. I've had apt break many times from merely trying to install a package.

[@owlmostdead9492]

​@@AsheLucia I've had apt break a dozen times over the past 10+ years. Roughly ~ once a year apt will break a package or itself or exhibit some weird behaviour. I've never had it actually break a system but its still annoying.

[@Weissenschenkel]

Anti cheating software running at the kernel level is a ticking bomb. They should stop being lazy and implementing anti cheating on server-side.

[@aliasname5518]

Thanks for the reminder to donate!

[@miezoo]

Apex motivation regarding dropping linux due to cheaters are lame.There are a lots of cheaters who are using software&hardware on windows what are not detected even by kernel anticheat engines. Why is lame,?! ,not sure about APEX(i've played to little) but in Call Of Duty there it is a systems like pay2win(buying in game "skins") or sbmm/eomm which give even for a limited time advantages to specific players against other players,SO cheaters not sure what is worse.

[@DaM_Cdn]

It would be great if you tried out & reported on the accessibility features coming to Cosmic Desktop - A11y is an essential component for a Linux desktop system, and is a “must-have” before Cosmic Desktop can be adopted in a corporate context.

[@willi1978]

not sure if that is already available. i remember they want to pick accessibility up, but i don't think it is implemented yet

[@frankhuurman3955]

I thought people were talking about the Alacritty terminal when using a11y but finally figured out that it means accessibility :')

[@matheusrosa94]

There should be two studies, one for correlating cheaters and their platform of choice, and the other for the efficacy of kernel-level anti-cheats. Without those, game publishers will just get away with saying anything.

[@BlackMage_01]

No, they don't have a valid reason. Most cheaters, even disproportionately so are on Windows.

[@stonehenge313]

I started using Tuxedo OS last year when I started watching this channel and havent looked back. Its solid, well configured and easy to install. The upgrade(s) have been pretty straight forward with no issues (other than those related to the latest ubuntu kernel). Its just solid and the latest update worked with no issues at all.

[@oflameo8927]

A better network protocol for the game would make any client side anti-chat unnecessary.

[@Lampe2020]

11:44 GTK5?

[@MrOfigenko]

Apex legends is a poorly developed game with an abyss of fix laters and plain bugs and bad decisions. Linux or core have nothing to do with this. The game is infested, it's almost unplayable now, it's very unsecure, because EA tried to milk it and give nothing in return. In 2 weeks when the situation is the same with Linux cut off from the game... See you all there

[@tacobabyman1215]

Apex is notoriously bad at server tech and secure clients. The devs are braindead and it baffles me how people can continue playing it. Anyhow, "kernel-level anti-cheat" rootkits are a goofy way to solve for bad architecture and mediocre developers.

[@tj2375]

AI is an expensive, energy thirsty, spoil everything 99% BS.

[@humanwaveform]

nah, EA, Rockstar and these other gaming companies are entirely to blame. They have the funds and resources to fix it at any time. It's more likely anti-trust behavior from microsoft intentionally driving companies away from linux.

[@PranjalP21]

moved to Fedora KDE 41 yesterday, its working great

[@Didier88600]

Fedora gnome is a total mess. Fedora is far from ubuntu.

[@hiddenspirit9180]

​@@Didier88600It's vanilla gnome if u don't know how to customize with extensions it's not for u then

[@Linux_ASMR]

​@@hiddenspirit9180 Fedora Gnome is best Gnome, you're free to customize it to your liking...or not customize it at all 😎

[@swagmuffin9000]

@@hiddenspirit9180 agreed. i think that's why so many people want fedora to put kde as their main release, easier for starters.

[@cameronbosch1213]

​@hiddenspirit9180 That's why I hope the KDE Spin of Fedora becomes promoted to a workstation edition like the GNOME edition; I think it's better overall than KDE when it comes to following Wayland standards and the KDE team is much more receptive to feedback, unlike the GNOME developers. For example, Jeremy Soller said that the whole bad attitude of the GNOME developers over things such as SSD (server side decorations) was a major reason why COSMIC was built as a new desktop environment.

[@lyoneel]

Are you sure valve needs to address this?, I dont think so, clients cannot dictate values from a game that has a centralized server game running. It's a skill issue from EA, as always.

[@edgyzero6305]

I'm gonna have to disagree and say EA is definitely in the wrong here. Kernel level anti-cheat is unacceptable period.

[@LTPottenger]

Ai will mainly make the internet even faker

[@LouwPretorius]

I have zero problem with AI being trained on "real-world" data that is publicly available. How else can it be of any "real-world" use if it hasn't been trained on reality? If it's public it's fair game, if it's copyrighted no-go.

AI in it's current state is mostly an uncontrollable tech demo. We need much more precise control to make it useful. Turns out this is one of the hardest problem to crack in this area. Either they figure it out in the following couple years, or the PR bandwagon runs out of steam and it will burst. I personally want to see it succeed, but also very tired by now with AI news.

[@gregsar1321]

even if there would be an equivalent of kernel level anti-cheat on linux, if it truly uses kernel level software shipped by companies owned by tencent, i wouldnt play them. lucky me most of these games are shooters which i don't play anyways 🤷

[@notjustforhackers4252]

Updated to 41 KDE on release day. Smooth as silk ( apart from WINE HQ not updated yet ).

[@Todd_Coward]

People keep talking about the cheating narrative in the Apex story but i'm willing to bet their reason for dropping Linux support had nothing to do with cheating. EA has been hemorrhaging money, unsurprising since they haven't had a good release in 8 years now, so they're engaging in cost cutting measures. Switching BFV and BF1 to EA anti-cheat wasn't about stopping cheaters, it was about eliminating Fair Fight, which is server side and expensive to maintain. Likewise they dropped Linux support because they didn't want to pay people to maintain proton and update EAC on Linux, more than likely they did a cost analysis and determined Linux players weren't buying skins. Of course a multi-billion dollar company saying they can't afford to patch a game sounds lame so they concocted this "Linux users are all cheaters!" story as a CYOA and a way to generate goodwill, since they've spent the last year making the game into utter garbage. The strategy didn't really work and they're currently getting review bombed on steam.

[@pfitz4881]

Completely agree with Torvalds when it comes to AI.

[@CDMS_pt]

Cosmic will have 5 alphas and a beta, the full release will be around late February or early March.

[@Its-Just-Zip]

My hunch on the Apex story is that this is a machine masquerading as Linux. I've been doing a lot of research into the cheating tool space, and I have yet to see anything that actually runs on Linux. The real long-term sustainable solution here is moving anti-cheat away from the user side and onto the server host side because that way you can ensure it's not being tampered with. But I don't see that happening before it's cheaper for these companies to use invasive chroma level anti-cheat. And in that reality I would probably support a steam kernel module or a proton kernel module that allowed a anti-cheat system to perform kernel attestation or kernel testing.

[@Bob-of-Zoid]

My favorite OS of all time Linux is finally getting more users and the attention it deserves!

[@MattVickers]

I'm in your camp, apt every day of the week. Looking forward to the new version

[@robertharker]

Feed the KZbin algorithm with a comment. Great video. Thank you!

[@NJ-wb1cz]

Omnom nom nom

[@Harald723]

In the first 33 seconds, you just talked about 2 things that affected me, 1 I'm using cosmic as my main driver and the apex thing, perfect video for me!

[@Daikuro1]

12:30 that's the entire point. The goal is clearly to make people feel like Windows is their only choice for gaming. Wonder who benefits from that idea... It won't do a single thing to stop cheaters but it gives them a boogeyman to compare to Windows. If there really was a surefire way to stop cheaters then developers would've done it ages ago. It would be great for their customers and their bottom line. The fact that they haven't is proof that they can't and are just looking for somewhere to pin the blame.

[@blackhorseteck8381]

I work in AI and can attest that open source data is scarce and subpar. Being an independent ML researcher with these giants (stealing) all the data is frustrating. But on the other side, the state of AI now, reminds me a lot of the state of the internet in the end of the 90's.

[@Because-Linux]

I use Tuxedo OS on an HP Omen laptop with a 5900HX+32GB+1TB with a 3070 mobile. Most solid distro I've used yet.

[@pieterrossouw8596]

Why are you dependent on clientside checks for cheating in the first place? In what other industry is this done? Finance/trading? Nope. Healthcare, not AFAIK. Outside of gaming, what is one example of client-side validation of the protocol? Luckily your game isn't worth accepting that, none of them are.

[@pyepye-io4vu]

Gaming industry is deeply corrupt, lazy, greedy. They just push their failures onto us as extra cost / less freedom.

[@tadpole256]

I have to say I disagree with the comments about the usefulness of AI. I use various AIs daily and they have made me more productive and helped me with my disabilities a lot. The trick is you have to understand the limitations. The more you use it the more you learn how to use it effectively. And it will only get better with time.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Yeahs the issue is mostly that it’s completely misrepresented by its creators. It’s not intelligent, it’s completely unable to provide something factual and that is in context

[@cameronbosch1213]

​@TheLinuxEXP Yeah, it's about as intelligent as the rocks they tell people to eat, or the glue they put on pizza! 😂

[@Linux_ASMR]

Ai is just another tool, people need to learn how to use it for it to be efficient

[@AnEagle]

​@@TheLinuxEXPit's useful at very specific things, like rephrasing something you have a certain understanding of, but can't quite grasp. Also I've actually found it surprisingly good for troubleshooting, especially on weird things that you won't find anything online for

[@foufou33g]

you crazy??? anticheat has no place in the kernel (be it windows linux or whatever). between not playing a game a having that shit runing on my computer not playing is a no brainer!

[@Rex2k10]

AI is the new block chain big data data lake machine learning fad. It's so bad so often, it's like a troll or saboteour, the stuff looks (only looks) fine and is 'nice' and 'polite' (in that faux polite way), but it's often wrong: movie and game plots of popular stuff, Arabic and Spanish (so big ones, not some niche languages), C and Python code (again - not niche tech), and from more niche stuff: Pascal code (I ask about FPC, it gives me Delphi answers).

[@notthere83]

"... PR and marketing is really not helping people trust [AI tools]." I think this is a mistake to begin with. One shouldn't try to trust an AI. The output should always be confirmed by a human.

[@AdmiralBison]

Ought to stop calling 'OpenAI' that and call it 'ClosedAI' as it is a subsidiary of Techgiants and Sam Altman was made a billionaire by having moved into the control of Tech giants.

[@timroach5898]

any kernel level hack by games is bad so i say no to any work around in linux. Im sure they dont care about my opinion. So no big deal, there's plenty of other games to play in linux.

[@dashcharger24]

There is no valid reason for blocking Linux users.

[@Hexspa]

What microphone are you using, if I may ask? Sounds great.

[@marcusfleuti2672]

I won't buy any EA game anymore and I'll advise all my friends, some of which running Linux already, to do the same.

[@JerziTBoss]

Honestly kernel level anti-cheat not to mention DRM are evil. DRM is completely pointless and anti-cheat is necessary but it should be on client and on server level never in the kernel. EA can afford to pay moderation team to review and ban cheater but instead they put the money into CEO's pockets while installing their spy software into kernels.

[@isbestlizard]

Crazy how blaze everyone is about AI now we've had it for a couple of years. Remember when Interstellar came out, that robot that would have conversations and could adjust its 'humour level'? That's literally a thing now.

[@-_ch40s_]

"Meaningfully reduce instances of cheating" AND "While this will impact a small number"....how does this make sense together?

[@4n0m113]

Wish we had a real foss ai mainly because it'd be cool

[@-iIIiiiiiIiiiiIIIiiIi-]

16:15 They didn't even apply for the grant from the Sovereign Tech Fund in Germany. Gnome applied and received $1.1 million. The admins at KDE are either lazy or incompetent, or both. They don't deserve donations.

[@Ray_of_Light62]

Linus is right; the AI bubble will either pop or fizzle out, just like quantum computing...

[@corwynvigeland4856]

Couldn't agree more with Torvald if he talks about the AI = LLMS, they are an huge BS, but AI is more then just LLMS only.

[@merthyr1831]

It's ironic when Linus bashes AI when the Linux Foundation has put over $250,000,000 into AI projects. I know he's not the guy who decides where money goes (that's largely up to the big donors, which is another issue in itself) but it pains me to see so much Linux funding being funneled into a bunch of planet-burning ponzi schemes that were _always_ going to be best supported under linux because of their reliance on server/high perf. computing which is _dominated_ by Linux.

[@Roizor]

holy linux

[@AdmiralBison]

Regardless of one's stance on AI. It can NOT be, like more and more things, be primarily in the hands of Corporations/1% shareholders. AI is just a tool. It's our Economic system that needs to change for everyone to benefit from AI

[@glajskor90]

I dream of a world where kernel-level anti-cheats just stop existing

[@namenotfound2456]

let's just hope they dont develop PCIE "anticheat cards" to detect cheats at a hardware level. That would be the ultimate level of distopya

[@jackthatmonkey8994]

I do understand that the client-side anti-cheat strategy EA and others use have a problem with Proton. I would still give EA management crap for this. You can also fix cheating via community run servers or server-side anti-cheat. But who am I anyway. I use anti-cheat software as an indicator that the game is too competitive to play for me. Playing those games doesn't do me any good anyway even if their publishers were more chill

[@Todd_Coward]

This whole kernel level thing is just developers trying to cut costs, it really has nothing to do with stopping cheating. EA used to pay for Fair Fight, and it was fairly effective when used in conjunction with traditional anti-cheat solutions, but it was expensive to maintain. Kernel level anti-cheats actually generate money, because they have ring 0 access you can datamine your users. EA anti-cheat can see pretty much everything going on in your computer from what programs you run, file names, even web searches. That info gets sent back and they can build a portfolio of their users for market research purposes. It's totally unethical, but all of this allowed in the TOS people mindlessly scroll past so they can play their games.

[@sylvershadow1247]

If Valve makes a kernel-level anti-cheat, I want it to be an "opt-in" sort of thing, AND for distros to not install by default. I imagine Valve would want to do it, if they want to stay competitive against Windows handhelds It'd be great, if it's open source, too so that, while bad hackers may take advantage of it, good hackers can help improve on it. On regular Linux, I would love it if there's a flag that I can use to disable it at boot time with a flag. Others may not use it, but it'd be nice to have, especially if it decides to act up

[@eeriemyxi]

What's the point of an anticheat if it can be just disabled?

[@sylvershadow1247]

@@eeriemyxi game that wants the anticheat won't run unless its running. I don't want it running all the time, and I 'd rather prefer if it's on by demand, or it can be prevented from running with a flag. I just don't want it running while I'm not even planning on gaming that day

[@WilburJaywright]

Very much agree with Mr. Torvalds here. Everyone’s so hyped about the idea of an LLM being a companion that you can control, which I think is a form of idolatry, that they’re ignoring real good use cases of deep AI that won’t get you any flashy hype, such as anti-cheats.

[@freeideas]

Releasing models that we can ALL use is freakishly wonderful. I don't like the idea of saying "that's not good enough to be called open source".

[@CMDRSweeper]

No, the change we NEED in gaming is NOT conforming to this anti cheat crap. But back to the old days of VON, we, run our OWN servers. So Valve should be like, "You want to sell on Steam and NOT support Linux? 75% cut for that please..." They CAN'T afford to go elsewhere, EA tried it, Ubisoft tried it, but they all came crawling back to Gabe in the end.

[@namenotfound2456]

Valve should remove their games from store, only leaving it to download for those who already bought it.

[@blackmennewstyle]

I'm a simple man, i hear the brother Linus TORVALDS is going all in against AI, i literally DDOS like the video ❤

[@Sluggernaut]

Thanks for reminding me about the KDE fund raiser and now I know why they had to run a deficit. I made my $25 donation before the video was over. Much appreciated!

[@istvantorok4819]

Why isn't an anti-cheat solution running on server side, and problem solved?

[@akashsxo]

Torvalds won't say, but banning Russian Linux maintainers is 100% BS

[@Gaius__]

It's a smart move actually.

[@nopenoperson9118]

​​@@Gaius__losing adversarial nation-state maintainers lowers the bar for hidden backdoors for whoever is still standing, this is not good

[@Gaius__]

@@nopenoperson9118 How does eliminating potential security risks constitute a threat? Your statement makes no sense.

[@nopenoperson9118]

@@Gaius__ The barrier to covertly compromising Linux is lower now for NATO-aligned powers in light of Linus not being able to rein himself in. Going further with your premise, why then are Huawei employees still present among maintainers?

[@Gaius__]

@@nopenoperson9118 I know of no Huawei employees who are uploading Maintainers/Developers. If there are any, maybe they'll be next.

[@auglicious]

Because of sponsorship here, I purchased a Tuxedo computer myself. I ended up installed Fedora 40 and now 41 as I simply prefer vanilla Gnome and other features of Fedora. With the update to Tuxedo OS, should I give it another shot?

[@scottdrake5159]

It's not about cheating. It's not our job to evangelize in that way. The real issue is that the GPL doesn't fit into their world. There's no "LinuxOS" to trade lawyers with and write user-carving partnerships with. Valve has done interesting things hacking around this capitalism problem, but they'll always be trying to route around roadblocks, because the GPL has user-freedom features which the industry believes need to be disabled, so that they can make user-hostile license agreements with each other, and carve the market. It's payola, and there's no one to play ball on the LInux side (by design).

[@turbo5546]

A couple months ago I decided I wanted to try the Linux challenge on my laptop. Not my main machine but I use it at least once a day for a few minutes. I was looking for a good KDE distro and was pointed to Tuxedo and I've been really liking it. There have been issues sure, but KDE is just windows enough that I don't have to think to use my computer so I can just get my work done and move on.

[@omnipitentevanescen]

I just wonder if they published any proof of Linux being used for cheats more than windows. That's a massive claim to just drop and believe at word with no proof. Seems like bs to me, don't understand the excuses for kernel level anti-cheat bs.

[@MegaLokopo]

Cursur AI is pretty cool.

[@ManuelCam]

The OpenSource AI definition it's not a big deal, they can just stop saying "Llama is OpenSource" to start saying "Llama's code is opensource" average user wont notice the difference

[@MaxJustice1987]

That cheat works by running a linux vm on windows

[@gamermerijn]

So why not make a proprietary anti cheat driver? For those that accept that kind of requirement for a game.

[@vnc.t]

exactly, people installed proprietary nvidia driver they would install proprietary anticheat driver

[@gamermerijn]

Already addressed in the video I see. Just not willing to address resources then. But what has valve got to do with this?

[@gamermerijn]

Or have a Linux server or proxy and open source it, then let the community play the anti cheat cat and mouse game. Oh well.

[@TommyCrosby]

Rwminds me that Home Assistant wants help to train the "Hey Nabu" code word with users recorded words and say that ALL recordings used will be openly disponible. It felt weird reading that but I now understand why they'll do that.

[@Maisonier]

Great video, as usual.