Torvalds dismisses Rust issues, Mozilla.social closes, Kernel 6.11: Linux & Open Source News

[@TheLinuxEXP]

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[@demos113]

Mozilla needs a bit more focus on their core product.... better late than never.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Totally agree

[@DxBlack]

They had focus on their core product for the entire period of time Thunderbird wasn't getting updated...

[@cameronbosch1213]

​@@DxBlack And then they sat on it while Chrome and Chromium soared. Basically, Firefox turned into IE 6.

[@kuil]

Their core product makes little money. Googles payment to be the default search engine is the primary source of revenue for Mozilla. How else can they make money to continue development?

[@NJ-wb1cz]

​@@kuil that's literally their core product making money for them. The one they have been neglecting.

[@savagepro9060]

I agree. It's either RUST or WD-40! Case closed!

[@TheLinuxEXP]

😂 If it spins when it shouldn’t, duct tape it, if it doesn’t spin when it should, WD40

[@gljames24]

​@@TheLinuxEXPIt should be mentioned that WD-40 is a degreaser. After something gets unstuck with WD-40, it should be cleaned and the proper grease applied.

[@knm080xg12r6j991jhgt]

​@@gljames24 Instructions unclear. Toilet now filled with grease. Please advise.

[@BjørjaBear]

Probably the next Linux distro that - WD-40

[@realchoodle]

we lost gta 5 before gta 6

[@cameronbosch1213]

"Aw shit, here we go again."

[@xymaryai8283]

GTA (5) Online, but yeah still sucks, i wonder if FiveM is easy to play on Linux

[@somethingelse401]

​@@xymaryai8283unfortunately it's a pain. I have yet to be able to get it installed

[@Ankhaz]

Rockstar is reportedly working with balve to make it work on linix again

[@thingsiplay]

To be fair, we didn't lost GTA 5 itself. Its only the online part (which I personally don't care, but I know lot of do). Valve needs to work with Rockstar to get GTA 6 working on Deck (2).

[@matthewmoulton1]

You had it right the first time- it is V for Vulkan in the name "SPIR-V".

[@TankEnMate]

Also, SPIR-V isn't a shader model, it's a compiled shader intermediate representation; i.e. halfway between shader code and executable binary code (the code that runs on the GPU).

[@viralarchitect]

You said the "Alexander the Great's Generals situation couldn't happen to linux because it's too important." I would argue that the Greek Empire was pretty important.

[@cybernit3]

Well it is possible after Linus retired because different kernel maintainers may have different ideas about the future of Linux. Like 1 maintainer might want to convert the Linux kernel to RUST for example and another just keep it C. But who knows what it will be like in 20-30 years from now; some of us won't be around.

[@DarkwaterV2]

Switching to Linux soonish. Loving the channel, merci beaucoup!

[@xuldevelopers]

Mozilla's leadership is hurting the project. Diversification should come after dominating the primary market. Firefox is far from perfect - sure, Safari is worse, but Firefox still needs major improvements. If they can't fix that, how do they expect to make breakthroughs elsewhere?

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Can’t agree more

[@knm080xg12r6j991jhgt]

I prefer divestiture, honestly. "OK, Mozilla Prism grew up, time to let it leave the nest and find some new incubator. Here's the code, volunteer to maintain it, now we go back to focusing on our core product." They don't have an efficient way of doing that anymore.

[@bassamatic]

its a web browser.... what innovations are you speaking of?

[@xuldevelopers]

@@bassamatic If you were a developer, you'd know that Mozilla has been falling behind in implementing standards and supporting the latest technologies. I used to rely on Firefox for my work and constantly complain about Internet Explorer’s quirks. Now, I use Chromium, and ironically, find myself complaining about Firefox’s issues. Safari, though, is even worse. When FF doesn’t work, we simply tell clients to use Chrome. And that pains me. I was a die-hard Firefox fan since the days of Phoenix 0.8, and I genuinely loved it. But eventually, I had to admit to myself that I could work faster and more efficiently in Chrome. It became about productivity and being able to build complex applications (Firefox’s debugger is truly lacking). So I made the switch, even though I hated doing it after being loyal to Firefox for a decade. Since then, Firefox hasn’t improved much, and I haven’t looked back. Don’t even get me started on XUL-the vision for the future of the web that I once believed in, trusting Mozilla completely.

[@xuldevelopers]

@@bassamatic F*** the YT. It is removing my comments. I cannot answer. If you were a developer, you'd know that Mozilla has been falling behind in implementing standards and supporting the latest technologies.

[@andreluiz9726]

GTA Onlline is already a mess. Full of hackers. Deliberately not suporting Linux is just dumb... that will not help the cheating problem...

[@Kris-od3sj]

- They've already earned most of the money this game is ever gonna make them, so they're okay with ruining it, - They turned it into a testing ground so that they can prepare for the release of GTA6; the current state of cheating doesn't matter to them a single bit, - All the refunds are a drop in the ocean, same is the case for unhappy customers that won't buy future titles, - They have the excuse that they've never claimed Deck support, so Steam might have to eat the cost of refunds, - Valve doesn't want to upset R*, because GTA6 is too big of an IP that they don't wanna miss out on at release (R* might as well limit availability of the game to their own launcher). It's all my speculation ofc.

[@Poorgeniu5]

Its also happening to EA's BF1, BFV, BF2042 as they moved to their own proprietary EA Anti-Cheat.

[@squishy-tomato]

@@Poorgeniu5 imagine installing proprietary EA software at the kernel level lmao I'd rather not play anything for the rest of my life

[@NatraPutraEsa]

Every kernel level anti cheat is broken

[@imgladnotu9527]

​@@squishy-tomatoindie games are far more refreshing lol

[@Diegoboss005]

I dont no why the fk companys dont take support for anticheat linux

[@TheLinuxEXP]

No idea either

[@crapmalls]

Open source anti cheat gonna be lit

[@seanwilson9925]

Why on earth would they opensource it???

[@fuckindumbfox]

imagine opensourcing an anticheat. easiest anticheat to bypass

[@knm080xg12r6j991jhgt]

They're afraid of having a bigger support base, especially ones who know what they're doing, and there's significant financial incentive to keep MS the king of the gaming hill.

[@kuhluhOG]

12:52 The Open Document Format was also backed by multiple companies similar in size to Microsoft. But considering that XBox lost this generation of console wars again and Sony is part of the Khronos Group too, I think it's less likely to happen.

[@supercellex4D]

Yeah but that says nothing if 2.5 trillion dollar company Apple backs Khronos only to not support it and tell you to go F yourself for wanting to use Vulkan on the Apple TBDR GPUs, Vulkan not supporting TBDR is BS if they're in on Khronos and can just force it!

[@ladyofhollows9841]

I LOVE watching these on Saturday! It's become part of my routine. Thanks, Nick! 🖤

[@nintendowiids12]

Planetside 2 uses BattlEye and works fine on Linux.

[@daniels-mo9ol]

TBF Microsoft has been working towards interoperability with Linux for a while now including WSL. They also opened up a few products and made more APIs available (as in publicly documented). I don't trust Microsoft even a little bit though lol. There's even been speculation in Windows 12 Core being more Linux-like. I cant remember where I read that though.

[@themedleb]

1. They only do things that will keep Linux and open source/standards enthusiasts in Windows and make them use it more than Linux, it's all business. 2. And "WSL" should be "LSW" (Linux Subsystem for Windows) instead, that makes more sense for what the product does, but they want to prioritize the word "Windows" when "Linux" is in the same sentence/name.

[@daniels-mo9ol]

@@themedleb I don't think you realize how dependent Microsoft is on Linux though as an ecosystem. 60% of everything Azure is Linux and Microsoft can't compete with their own line-up, and in order to be a choice in infrastructure they need to be compatible. Microsoft is stuck with desktop users, the only way to change that is to be part of the more mature and industry standard ecosystem.

[@themedleb]

@@daniels-mo9ol Exactly.

[@Human-x5e]

They MUST be stopped. They MUST fall!

[@makarklyuev1317]

The Rust conversations is really the embodiment of most of the Linux community where such arguments are ok and that such arguments are basically useless and dont really lead to anything apart from feeling of selfsufficiency since they like certain tech over another (e.g Xorg vs Wayland, distro vs distro, package manager vs package manager, KDE vs Gnome etc.)

[@haariger_wookie5646]

Seeing those discussions always makes me want to get a lobotomy…

[@unnainconnu9098]

You forgot to mention something that begins with s and ends with d 😉

[@Gaius__]

@@unnainconnu9098 Hehe, yeah ... but the one big thing about the s-word is _standardisation_ ... which is sorely needed, if Linux is ever to become serious competition for Windows. In addition, many people still see it as merely a replacement for init.d, when in fact it is a whole suite of tools. Distros still boot with GRUB, still use cron et cetera, and then call systemd "bloat" ... instead of using all its features and dismissing the old tools. And I believe even the most outspoken systemd haters must admit that the centralised journals it offers are simply superior.

[@MattVickers]

Yep, read the comments section of just about any Phoronix article to see the toxicity in action

[@makarklyuev1317]

@@unnainconnu9098 completely forgot xD but you get the point

[@rasr0u]

I think u missed some part of the rust conversation. Linus mentioned that problems appear since rust modules require some architectural changes (to provide rust compatibility) and not all maintainers willing to accept it in non-rust modules. *corrections/clarifications appreciated

[@DocRekd-fi2zk]

"changes" as in "document how the fuck do you use this function better than just copy paste from the rest of the kernel bro"

[@hesslein007]

I just want to say that I love your videos so much I re-play them several times a week. Great job!!!! Congratulations.

[@ericnicholls3955]

Just to clarify, Mozilla Social had so little users because it wasn't open to everyone. Probably, those 270 users were mostly Mozilla Employees.

[@xymaryai8283]

i love hearing the varied way people say Linus, this is how i do it lienus (LTT) linnus (Linux) lienoos linnoos (Torvalds)

[@carloalbertogiordano6058]

I actually bought a Tuxedo PC. It is VERY good (except for audio, the speakers are not loud enough)

[@ronm6585]

Thank you. 👍🏻

[@qbojj]

The spir-v news are great. No longer will we need to cross compile (probably on the fly) those shaders!

[@Human-x5e]

No, it's a huge problem. I know for a fact Microsoft will ruin it. They MUST be stopped

[@lewdlimes]

11:52 The immediate thing I'm reminded of at this point is when Microsoft "adopted" Java, introduced features that were Microsoft specific and got in trouble for it. so here's wondering if this is the same thing.

[@dieterhrabak4947]

Talking from experiences, yes, MS is gonna mess Vulkan up, by adding extensions which would only work on top of MS platform and refused to work on top of anything else.. This in the long run, will divide Vulkan into 2 sides, those whose life is depends on Vulkan function specific to MS, and those who dont.. Embrace, extend, extinguish is what MS has been honing since the 80s..

[@knm080xg12r6j991jhgt]

@@dieterhrabak4947 Microsoft at a corporate level? Yes. Microsoft engineers? I don't think so anymore. Let's keep rooting for the low-level engineer that secretly adds those few lines of code in to make sure Vulkan always remains community owned.

[@dieterhrabak4947]

@@knm080xg12r6j991jhgt you're giving MS a benefit of doubt, which is fine and all that.. As for me.. MS is trying very hard to buy sand for her hourglass.. I won't sell any.. MS Windows 11 telemetry and spying activities and invasions of privacy by taking a screenshot of your screen activity are the most recent examples..

[@hullukana214]

@@dieterhrabak4947 Microsoft isn't messing with Vulkan, they are messing with shader file format used by Vulkan. Those are 2 completely different things, as the shader format is much simpler than the Vulkan itself and as such shouldn't be too hard to translate to shader format that works on Linux. I mean the proton is already quite succesfully translating the shader format used by DX12 and it is even less compliant with Linux than Microsoft could ever hope to make the Vulkan shader format. So I don't think we have to worry about Microsoft breaking Vulkan, at least not for the time being. Of course there is always a possibility of them announcing about them ditching DX12 for Vulkan and then trying to break Vulkan that way, but that isn't happening, at least not yet.

[@dieterhrabak4947]

@@hullukana214 as always, first it so subtle that it can be 'translated' without much efforts, then it would gradually getting problematic as time goes by.. And at a certain point, it would be much much difference, it could be treat as a two different products altogether, despite still shares certain similar features and functions at surface level.. Yep, that's how MS played the game.. That's how MS did it with other so-called 'collaborative' projects..

[@TankEnMate]

Linus's comments appear to be neutral ("way too early to say Rust is a failure"), not "dismisses Rust issues" or "positive outlook". Please correct me if I've missed other comments he's made.

[@williamduncan7401]

Will they continue to post on Mastodon from another instance (e.g. another publicly open server)? Mastodon is the single place I use for following Mozilla news and other updates. I can only imagine that they post the same stuff somewhere else (maybe another social network) so it's not like the effort is in actually writing the posts for mastodon.

[@RedPsyched]

I just want to see these two faced companies eventually support Linux down the line when Linux's market share grows enough that they bleed revenue from not supporting it.

[@dr-fresh]

okay! rockstar, thank you very much. i never will play any rockstar games in future.

[@Human-x5e]

Nice

[@cyangalaxy]

I like your thumbnails, looks really good how the icons and company logo are shown.

[@toxiccan175]

Another great episode! Thanks! Have you considered adding timestamps since you follow a segmented format?

[@TheLinuxEXP]

There are timestamps in the description, didn’t KZbin pick up on them?

[@muizzsiddique]

Not for a while. But they're there now.

[@lukastram4990]

Can you check the Linux Phone came out in summer. From Furi Labs

[@StarlordStavanger]

justcommentingforthealgorithm!

[@LTPottenger]

Still hoping for firefox to become less bloated, slow and crash prone. The old mozilla browser was always terrible then firefox came out. Now we are right back to where we were before that lol

[@DavideDavini]

Really? I legit don’t remember the last time Firefox crashed on me. I use it everywhere. Linux, Mac, iOS even on Windows those unfortunate times I have to use it… If I have a complaint is compatibility, but I’m skeptical Mozilla could do better than they’re already doing on that front.

[@LTPottenger]

@@DavideDavini Just crashed and this is the first comment I see on yt afterwards.

[@DavideDavini]

@@LTPottenger that’s very weird mate. Good luck!

[@vikiai4241]

@@DavideDavini It isn't common for me, but about once a quarter I get crashed to a black screen that I can't even ctrl-alt-Fn my way to a text console to fix and have to long-hold the power button down and reboot from. It usually happens when KZbin is doing stupid things with add-insertions for me, so I am generally not doing anything that will result in unsaved-data-loss at the times, fortunately.

[@user-dc9zo7ek5j]

@@LTPottenger Maybe you have some plugins or if you do not, check your disk space and it's health. Firefox is pretty slow, yes, but it does not crash. I have used both Firefox and Chrome throughout the years and last time each one of them crashed was 10 years ago.

[@mavfan1]

Is it outrageous to think that the anti-Rust group is comprised greatly of those that oppose(d) Wayland? Basically older guys who are stuck in their “good enough” ways. That’s not a formula for progress. Wayland was around for years and still the X fans were saying just last year that Wayland wouldn’t be ready for many more years. At the same time they want to dismiss the very new Rust? 😂

[@hendrx]

facts, best thing is to not listen to the "Its better because I use it" seniors

[@panjak323]

But what's new and revolutionary in rust ? What does it allow you to do that C doesn't?

[@user-dc9zo7ek5j]

@@panjak323 It allows young developers to join in the project. Rust also has its benefits if done properly, but the same can be said for C.

[@user-dc9zo7ek5j]

How did you gather such evidence that anti-Rust is also anti-Wayland? If those people were truly stuck in the past then they would only complain without doing anything. Those are active kernel developers and see issues that will or currently are causing them headaches and don't see a future in which this is necessary. My opinion is that Rust should not have special protection from Torvalds, yet, they should make a detailed breakdown of what it brings, for what it is going to be used, what are its downsides. It seems to me that Rust is the only option because Torvalds does not like C++ and many think the same. Why for example it was not Zig, or V or instead of Rust? Also clashing developers and making some of them comply towards things that they actively disagree with could bring down the activity of those developers, leaving the project without developers.

[@dracostyx]

I'm 22, love C, love wayland, not a big fan of rust, what does that make me? 😭

[@DecBytes]

Was wondering if you run Tuxedo OS on your devices or if you switched to another distro?

[@DJgregBrown]

I wish GNOME 47 was only back end updates, but they have fix thing that wasn't broken like Libawaita and changing system Graphic on the power off button and over OS themed parts. Also adding Accent colours but they are all in compatible on a true dark theme with them all being only Pastel colour options

[@MaryamMaqdisi]

Thanks for the news Nick. Watching now

[@MaryamMaqdisi]

Very informative as always, Torvalds is such a fun guy, and I hope the irrational C purist discourse dies out at some point. Sounds frustrating and imo it speaks of their fear of being replaced.

[@Masqueey]

"Something is a foot," loved that section header 😂

[@thalateye]

I propose we make a public list of all the companies who purposefully decide to not support Linux when they absolutely can, Just to have records of who did what for the future.

[@terminallyonline5296]

Declaring that Rust will remain in the kernel is not dismissing Rust issues. Maybe dismissing concerns but not dismissing issues.

[@XGD5layer]

No issues were dismissed, he only said two things: "It's too early to tell" and "Rust vs C arguments are way too religious, akin to vi vs emacs back in the day"

[@terminallyonline5296]

@@XGD5layer I'm agreeing with you I'm saying that the title is misleading.

[@likebot.]

for over 40 years I never knew EMACS was an editor too, being happy with TECO in the day y'learn something every waking day

[@Gaius__]

I really hope Mozilla will make the right decisions and focus on the two things they do best: their browser and their email client. I cannot (and don't want to) imagine a world without a good Firefox, and I have always loved Thunderbird, never used any other mail client. [To be fair, I have no idea whether Outlook is as good, or even better ... I have never tried it, because one client is Open Source and the other one is Microsoft, so the choice was easy.]

[@elalemanpaisa]

openSUSE TW - yes Leap - backports debian - backports basically almost all distros have something like the ubuntu 'hardware enablement stack' it's just called a backported kernel.

[@DryPaperHammerBro]

Get the sick Stormtrooper art in shot again!

[@arkvsi8142]

Or put a Ray as backgroud

[@Saturate0806]

gnome 47 got released on arch stable yesterday

[@NJ-wb1cz]

On arch, btw?

[@わかるマーン]

Linus: "nothing is better than C." Also Linus: "Y U STILL USE C???????"

[@ZombieLurker]

Wasn't there supposed to be a big performance update with Intel CPU's in Kernel 6.11? Did that get pushed out or? I've been waiting for 6.11 just for this.

[@CAZOlsen]

Did you already cover the new nextcloud update?

[@RuxUnderscore]

You and I both know that Linus Torvalds won't retire. That man will be coding until he dies.

[@Human-x5e]

Perhaps in his final dying hours, he would be placed in a field of unchangingness and his personality and skills will be absorbed by AI.

[@appleleptiker]

Doesn't Manjaro i3 use Kernel 6.11 since the newest update? Think I saw some mention of Kernel Version 6.11 somewhere

[@Human-x5e]

Arch Linux will probably be using something beyond Kernel 6.11 by the time you read this comment. Why not go directly to the source? Manjaro is a based on it after all.

[@EchterAlsFake]

I guess Rockstar implements BattlEye in GTA 6 and tests it in GTA 5 first? Probably they didn't want to support Linux, because it would mean more testing and they will get GTA 6 running on Linux. Maybe they implement GTA 5 Online on Linux after a few months when Windows worked good. But ths is of course only hypothetical. Thanks for the information :)

[@Milenakos]

i was the first one to 🔧react the closing announcement post, adding that to my portfolio

[@John7No]

Alexander's empire was important, it was just all the rest were shortsighted to see that it could crumble if they don't put their differences aside . but lets hope this wont be the case for the linux kernel and history wont repeat itself

[@cameronbosch1213]

It was a great idea, he was great... (Alexander the Great.) And now he's dead! (Alexander the Dead.)

[@originzz]

On the topic of the whole religious nature arguments tend to take, even when technical, do you ever fear about becoming biased in such a way on Linux?

[@fuseteam]

Firefox lockwise still exists in the firefox android browser

[@Dimkar3000]

Vulkan extensions are really common. Essentially if you want support for feature is not part of the commong spec. For example there is an extension for x11 support and another wayland. Its a way to ask the driver for more functionality that may be their or not depending on the graphics card or the OS

[@Human-x5e]

Yes, but those would be Microsoft's extensions, they might have very different intentions.

[@Human-x5e]

Yes, but those will be Microsoft's extensions. They might have very different intentions

[@Human-x5e]

Sorry if I replied twice, this device is very buggy.

[@fullmoon5060]

SDL start to optimize the code for Vulkan

[@middle_pickup]

If MS moving to support vulkan means I don't have to compile shaders ever single time I launch CS2 on Linux, I'm happy.

[@igorthelight]

Isn't CS2 support Vulkan?

[@Human-x5e]

MS will destroy Vulkan in some way, they do it with EVERYTHING they get their evil hands on. This is not good and it has to stop

[@StephenMcGregor1986]

As well as Alexander the great, the Mongolian Empire had a similar downfall.

[@MrGamelover23]

They aren't wrong, the steam deck doesn't support battleeye the way they implemented it.

[@UltimatePerfection]

Hopefully FiveM will keep working.

[@stevenjlovelace]

First time I've ever heard the Linux kernel compared to the Seleucid Empire. 😂

[@Ironpants57]

I wonder if Rockstar knows about Microsoft wanting to restrict Kernel level access 🤔..

[@NJ-wb1cz]

They don't. They want to provide additional apis to access the kernel in safer ways

[@donaldbaird7849]

Yeah Microsoft isn't restricting kernel level access, it's a myth.

[@NJ-wb1cz]

@@donaldbaird7849 to be fair, I also have no idea what are they actually planning, I'm just spreading what I heard Robie Brodertson say

[@Ironpants57]

@@NJ-wb1cz Mmm I need better sources than Low Level Learning's yt, lol. I got way too hopeful.. Oh well, thanks for the updated info

[@Satook]

The Mach game engine blog has an interesting insight into the mess MS have made of shaders on their platforms. I reckon they’ve realised that the competition has already leapfrogged them in this regard, so they will adopt the standard. Let’s see if they add a bunch of “useful extensions” next 😂

[@Human-x5e]

They will destroy the shaders. We MUST stop them

[@Heat2234]

Mozilla turning into Google lol. In the way of how Google comes out with something then at anytime taken away.

[@dead_art]

12:14 - Yeah, Microsoft is definitely not the type of company to use the legendary Embrace-Extend-Extinguish strategy. Especially there's nothing to worry about if and when they announce their notorious "extentions" footprint pattern for the open standards right from the start.

[@Human-x5e]

We MUST do anything we can to stop them.

[@justthisguyyouknow666]

I don't mind Rust in the kernel. At least it's not regex.

[@Skeleman]

pretty much every security bug in the kernel is from memory safety and the C devs refuse to even consider a memory safe language.

[@cameronbosch1213]

9:02 Don't forget Arch!

[@Nohrr79]

Or any other rolling release distro, btw :D

[@SSquirrel1976]

So Mozilla has taken up the Google method of create, stop work on something, make 3 other similar things, shut them all down? :)

[@Human-x5e]

They are finished...😢

[@cybernit3]

I was thinking recently what if games were made first for Linux only; would they have something like proton for Windows11-12? I know it seems crazy not to port to Windows since it is such a large market; but it is a beast os to program for and annoying.

[@MrGamelover23]

Unfortunately, the most stable ABI for Linux is Windows. Developing games for Linux is a nightmare, because unless you target Steamworks or Proton, you don't really have a stable base to develop for.

[@cybernit3]

@@MrGamelover23 What about .Appimage? Maybe there is another solution, rather than just make a game for Windows and then depend on these compatibility layers (Proton) that increases inefficiency.

[@oddnightsky1367]

​@@cybernit3I would actually rather run stuff through wine than using appimage

[@ITAdmin-DTI]

wait, people actually use Mastodon?

[@ettoreatalan8303]

While Microsoft is becoming more and more open in supporting open standards, Apple is becoming more and more reluctant in supporting open standards.

[@user-dc9zo7ek5j]

When did apple support open standards? When the EU forces them?

[@ettoreatalan8303]

@@user-dc9zo7ek5j For example, Apple used to support the open standard OpenGL.

[@Human-x5e]

Until Microsoft will use all these hooks they are planting, scrambling Linux and open source software, breaking it forever.

[@Tracenji]

i heard reports that the GTA online cheaters have already bypassed the anti cheat lmao

[@xcroatoanx9661]

And still Linux users are an issue, due to cheating XD, what a delusional world

[@PaulG.x]

Probably be a "Roman Forum" situation then

[@Blue2x2x]

I'm just curious as I haven't code in Rust before, but what with all the hate around it? Is there some technical limitations? Is it difficult to use? Or... what?

[@igorthelight]

It helps developers to manage memory but does it in a very dictator's way ;-)

[@RustIsWinning]

I talked to a lot of boomers that were alive at the time when Java came out. So it's basically the same reason why C devs refuse to learn Java or any other language. They hatin because they still live in the 1970s lmao

[@Blue2x2x]

@@RustIsWinning I see, so it's stubborn people refusing to acknowledge other languages, adapt and expand their knowledge. Yeah, that's a dumb reason for the hate on rust. Thank you for the insight.

[@nerida3347]

My personal issue with it is that there are some incompleteness issues

[@RustIsWinning]

@@nerida3347 And those issues are? Any example?

[@attustheant]

13:28 the subtitles for tottering XD

[@DJDocsVideos]

Believes have nothing to do in any discussion...

[@roccociccone597]

Guess I won’t support rockstar anymore either.

[@Mr.Finkel]

6.11 kernel now has BSOD

[@Human-x5e]

If that ever happens, I'm switching to Redox OS

[@ugogatto]

its gonna be the same crap with gta6

[@courtneymertz4596]

It sucks that you can’t play GTA Online on Linux anymore!

[@Human-x5e]

If you're the kind of person that plays that mess. What are you even doing in Linux?

[@courtneymertz4596]

I don’t even play GTA! I’m saying it as a fact.

[@Human-x5e]

@@courtneymertz4596 Great👍

[@DavideDavini]

“Trust me bro.” 😂

[@Z-add]

Someone right now is rewriting python and ruby in rust.

[@matiasm.3124]

Im sick of Rockstar ...i hope that some hero crack gta6 before final release to the public 😅

[@patryn36]

gta 5 online was fun until the hackers ruined it, the devs left the dev locker in the game and the hackers got into it and it made playing online not worth it since it would often corrupt the play session until you did a full reload, i hope all the hackers get their type of play ruined by this change

[@thescrewfly]

Apart from potentially making money from online marketplaces (in themselves a truly terrible idea), what on earth is the point of cheating in multiplayer games? Never understood it.

[@hyperspeed1313]

Some people out there actually believe cheating makes them a better player and that everyone does it. Then they lose to people who aren’t even cheating because they rely so much on cheating tools that they never develop actual game skills

[@meow-is-edible]

In case of competitive shit in most cases the game itself sucks so much that i have more fun in abusing glitches/cheating, but if I want to play in that way Zelda is better anyways. What I never understand is the point of competitive shit it doesn’t even look fun, I only see a lot of people getting mad and angry

[@HappyUnrealCoder]

Hacking games is just fun to do...

[@hyperpug2898]

And apparently the new GTA online anticheat has already been bypassed. Both by hackers and Linux players so yeah. Good effort rockstar... Still it's nice to send them support tickets just to annoy them. Ask for a refund and stuff.

[@knm080xg12r6j991jhgt]

For the Rust vs C drama, I think we'd all be happier if we focused on the goals and not the implementations. People generally want their projects to grow, they just want to do it their way. It's easier to say, "Hey, we'd still have to document this interface if we had to put zig in the kernel. If our goal is to attract more maintainers, isn't this a good thing?" or, "Hey, I have all this C code that has dependencies down to the assembly level and I work on it in my spare time because I find it fun, but if I have to adopt another language it won't be fun anymore. Isn't fun a good thing?"

[@user-dc9zo7ek5j]

Of course, everyone wants to grow, but isn't the point now trying to prove something can work in such an environment vs actually helping? What goal is it solving rust when the problems with C and the memory hygene will still be present really? Is the final idea to rewrite the whole kernel, if yes, then we can expect the problems to go away, but I this will be a very hard task. As you've said, the goals should be present at all times, but keep in mind the reality.

[@steveoc64]

I think it’s more a case of the existing C code having complexities that can’t be adequately expressed using the Rust type system .. and that the internals of the same C code gets refactored often, which would break the Rust code often The person changing the C code has no idea at the time if some unrelated consumer of the API can’t handle the change I also think it would be much easier to maintain a Zig consumer of the API, because it doesn’t try to get all academic with type modelling

[@frittex]

another game lost to the "kernel level anti-cheat" problem, a sad day for the linux gaming community

[@Human-x5e]

Most Linux users really, really does not care about GTA. If are the type of person interested in that mess of a game, what are you doing in Linux?

[@frittex]

@@Human-x5e What kind of argument is that? Every linux user can be interested in anything they want. Every user is different, and GTA is as much of a game as any other game. Just because you don't care and you are a linux user doesn't mean everyone doesn't care. If anything, what are you doing in linux, with that kind of opinion?

[@tacothunder2298]

Microsoft adopting Vulkan?... this screams Embrace, Expand, Extinguish to me. It will be a matter of time when they acquire and ruin it, just so DirectX has no competition.

[@igorthelight]

They are NOT adopting Vulkan ;-) Watch that part of the video carefully

[@thingsiplay]

Most Rust haters never programmed and learned the language to hate on.

[@hendrx]

this is most people who "hate" languages

[@pai64]

they have never felt safe until they met rust but they don’t like it

[@Human-x5e]

I tried, believe me. It's exceptionally painful learn. I still like the language though, it's not bad, as long as I don't have to touch it.

[@thingsiplay]

@@Human-x5e In Rust you learn everything upfront. In C (or most other more simple languages) you learn only a little in the beginning and the rest of it in 10 years. Until you get good habits and can be as confident as someone who learned Rust in 2 years. Off course I am exaggerating here so don't take this literally! My point is, Rust looks so complicated because you have to learn all the low level stuff before even compiling the program. As I always say, you learn Rust upfront, while in other languages, you learn in production. And off course Rust is lowlevel, so you need to learn that stuff. Compared to high level languages like Go in example.

[@Human-x5e]

@@thingsiplay That is genius, especially for a language focused on speed and stainability.

[@mansourimohamedlamine]

hhh gnome ...nothing change

[@renghenkow]

zig or odin would have been a better choice than rust

[@MrGamelover23]

I hate how people never say why when they say stuff like this.

[@renghenkow]

@@MrGamelover23 zig/odin and the likes are closer to the c philosophy than rust, rust is more of an ocaml for native.

[@RustIsWinning]

Nice try but it is not even close 😂

[@MrGamelover23]

@@renghenkow maybe the philosophy was the problem? Idk.

[@renghenkow]

@@MrGamelover23 I do not think so, the main idea of c is to control the hardware a thin layer on assembly language, it is very much in the turing mindset and algol family. it is also a product of its time, things can be done better, that is what odin/zig are trying to solve

[@sudiprajbanshiii]

7:14 you got me here XD

[@b1oh1]

Just curious, does anyone who's not a tween/teen edgelord or "adult" incels play GTA V online? When I watch others play, that's what it mostly seems like.

[@Ateshtesh]

just create a open source gta xD

[@igorthelight]

Good luck with that ;-)

[@liquidsnake6879]

"nobody understands all parts of the kernel not even torvalds himself" if that doesn't scream massive security flaw to you i don't know what will

[@Lampe2020]

I think most game companies that don't enable that anticheat's Linux support reason that it is less capable with Linux support enabled and thus makes it easier for Window$ users to cheat just to make the game accessible to a handful more players.

[@THE16THPHANTOM]

so not only will there be countless videos comparing different Linux distros, we are going to have countless video comparing RUST Linux and C Linux as well. you know distros like mint vs ubuntu who will be famous for having zero RUST code. all of this telling potential linux refugees to stick with windows or join the Apple eco-system/hivemind until Linux gets its s*** together.

[@bhavyakukkar]

mint rejected gnome 3 because of its design choices, and rejects snaps because they did not have an all-open-source model. non-systemd distros protest against systemd because it is extremely monolithic. i think its a stretch that distro maintainers will start protesting against rust in the kernel unless it brings performance or compatibility changes which I hope it wont

[@kumar_prabhat]

no chapters 🤨

[@randomnessnecesity9627]

Chapters are there now

[@vikiai4241]

Google is too busy inserting adds for MS-Edge and ball-shaving equipment to have time to add in the chapters in a timely fashion! (Though they did also-and-separately manage that once-every-4-years occurrence of an ad that is actually correctly targeted to me, this session).

[@Gaius__]

@@vikiai4241 _Ball-shaving_ equipment? Damn, I guess I'll have to deactivate my blockers for a few days 🤣