Google Chrome severely damaged extensions, time to move to a better browser

[@TheLinuxEXP]

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[@mglsj]

What about Gnome Web? Based on webkit

[@DryPaperHammerBro]

Do you have a cold, Nick?

[@skilletpan5674]

Why no Palemoon mention? Palemoon is fully opensource and supports linux and windows.

[@brokeandtired]

Already using Firefox as it came bundled with Linux Mint.

[@AndreyMirMundus]

what about yandex browser

[@CodyNeiman]

So funny that Chrome gets hit with anti trust the second they finally get their manifest 3 adblock killer rolled out after so many delays.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Karma is real

[@wikwayer]

Chrome: manifest time Us government: no its Mani fist time

[@blazewardog]

I mean it is a great example of them abusing their monopoly. They are making the biggest web browser no longer able to block their money maker ads as easily.

[@MrThebigcheese75]

Chrome got everyone hooked in, then switched to an advert delivery spyware app, just like they do with KZbin and Android generally. So, ha ha ha, it's about time they had a bloody nose for their anticompetitive tactics. I hope they are made to sell Android and KZbin too.

[@BeefIngot]

@@TheLinuxEXP I wish it was. Unfortunately humans have to fight continuously to make it real, and I feel we've/karma's been losing battles a lot recently.

[@Linux_ASMR]

Now is the perfect time for Mozilla to not act stupid and push firefox forward

[@5fr4ewq]

Lmao, that aint gonna happen

[@LieseFury]

too late, mozilla just fired its entire advocacy department. time for a new challenger.

[@5fr4ewq]

@@LieseFury maybe they will use AI from now on? /j

[@LieseFury]

​@@5fr4ewqi laugh so i don't cry

[@hitandruncommentor]

Hahahaha, no. Seriously just switch to libre wolf, brave and or tor.

[@Kiev-in-3-days]

As an extension developer, I can assure you that what they've done to browser extensions is far worse than anything you might have read. For example, they’ve made bi-directional communication between your machine's localhost and the extension completely impossible. Now, to interact with your computer, you’re forced to route everything through an external server. So now it's slow and it cost money. The previous method was 100% safe, but they removed it simply because they don’t want extensions to be too powerful. No more persistent background services, etc, etc... This is absolutely INSANE. They’re actively preventing you from using the Internet the way it was originally designed to be used. Instead, everything must go through their services, locking you into their ecosystem. Seriously, stop letting yourself be brainwashed by arguments about memory consumption or millisecond differences in page loading times. Firefox is great. As a dev., I love container tabs for example, to load a website with different sessions. Just switch to Firefox or another browser that isn’t controlled by big tech!

[@gogereaver349]

Mozilla's folding to big tech and advertisers is why everyone quit using it. Bad ideas moves and greed. Let's hope Ladybird will be its successor as Mozzila is on the path to being totally bankrupt. You can tell with all the firings.

[@Kiev-in-3-days]

@@gogereaver349 Awful management indeed. At least it's fortunate Firefox is open source.

[@SmallusDicckus]

Care to share what extension you made? I would like to try it out on my firefox. 😅

[@alejandrocastaneda8470]

yeah, google is making a nasty war, using all thats inmoral to hook upon the users on his services, starting with the ADs invasion that chrome is purposedly inyecting now... even if firefox or another browsers are slower (which are bullshit, they only slower in google services like google, youtube, its cloud, etc etc etc...) the worst offender and the slowest browser by today is chrome, simply cuz ADs (they make slow everything) that by the way, put you at risk, many of those ADs are malware that try to force-install themself in your systems for starters...

[@Thorned_Rose]

Underrated comment. But then I don't think people often understand the depth of issues.

[@habios]

Floorp = Firefox with Edge-like UI Zen = Firefox with Arc-like UI

[@dragonballjiujitsu]

This is the two I use.

[@hitandruncommentor]

Libre fox = what? Brave too. Tor = equals I wasn't doing nothing sir.

[@lussor1]

@@hitandruncommentor libre fox does not exist

[@CommissarChaotic]

Mercury = Thorium but Firefox

[@Aristo12]

@@hitandruncommentor If you mean LibreWolf, this one is mentioned in the video and is a Firefox derivative.

[@ElChocoLocoDeLaVega]

Firefox wins by doing absolutely nothing again. Thanks google.

[@stclaws9580]

by crashing every 30 minutes in my case...

[@JonnyvanderHoeven]

Since Mozilla started adding adds to my hometab every other week I switched to libre wolf.

[@MathiewMay]

@@stclaws9580 skill issue 😭

[@fabriciochamorro2985]

Winning in what? Firefox is the less performant browser, and also gets funds from google. If chrome usage decreases or if it gets separeted from google I don't think Firefox gets any funding from them. Also considering that usa is pro-microsoft(they don't care if Microsoft "or xbox" buys gaming studios, they don't care about the game pass, they only care of google and steam "monopolies"), edge will be the dominant browser

[@iopqu]

Less performance in some tasks, winning in other tasks, and exactly the same in real life

[@pyp2205]

I already switched to Firefox a few years ago, so it's not a problem for me. The nice thing about Firefox is that you can use extensions on mobile devices (that's if it's supported for mobile).

[@YoutubeEnjoyer1]

Like KZbin with UBlock origin no more ads EVER on KZbin. Having the mobile KZbin application is like walking on a mine field with scams, NSFW content, malware, cripto, etc.

[@CheapBastard1988]

​@@KZbinEnjoyer1KZbin Revanced also works like a charm. But make sure to use the manager to patch the apk file. The official release doesn't distribute full apk files. It also works on KZbin Music and Spotify.

[@themedleb]

On Firefox mobile, all I need is adblocker (uBlock Origin) and password manager (Bitwarden), which are supported already.

[@pedro4205]

@@KZbinEnjoyer1 You can use youtube as if you had yourube premium. You can minimize it, use pop up player, etc. And any other video. I also use noscript for extra security.

[@erik_dk842]

@@KZbinEnjoyer1 revanced = Zero ads + sponsorblocking + skipping self promotion

[@asmoson3599]

Using firefox … don’t care

[@danielrojo1114]

Same here.

[@sobieckil07]

Except Firefox is stagnating even worse than Chromium based browsers ever did. Lacks some pretty useful features like PWAs, too. Hopefully Ladybird browser takes off, so we have a decent Open Source competitor to Chromium again.

[@RaysGamingChannel2003]

Same

[@GoolagThemTube]

Firefox can be hardened. You can install a user.js like betterfox for example.

[@Chikowski101]

yeah firefox really doesn't care about it's users !! highest ram usage ever !

[@_xolari]

Firefox + uBlock Origin Gang

[@hecekhektor9404]

+ Popup blocker

[@lussor1]

@@hecekhektor9404 just use ublock filters for that

[@cavvieira]

Librewolf or bust.

[@superjcvd]

@@cavvieira What are those ? Forks ? Do they work well ?

[@zuzm0]

AdGuard

[@colin_actually]

Greetings, my firefox kin.

[@davidkachel]

"Floorp" is the noise Jello makes when it accidentally slips out of the bowl and hits the floor.

[@Tall_Order]

That's better than the one i came up with. A frog throwing up. lol

[@davidkachel]

@@Tall_Order Or my dog throwing up! He's the only dog I have ever seen throw up an entire meal in a single ball. More convenient to clean up, but extra-super disgusting!

[@v0ldy54]

the sound when you pull out too late

[@WXSEDY]

I think that might also be the sound of a _toilet plunger!_ ...Florp! 🚽🪠

[@ultravio1et]

If you go into the settings of Edge, you will find a tracker blocker

[@wpipka]

I've used firefox for years. I never saw appeal in using chrome over it. I even themed my firefox so it looks like the 2015 version because I liked that look more. I never saw browser that was that customizable.

[@Lex_Invictus]

Unfortunately most crypto extensions are written for chromium web browser (personally I use Brave)

[@NKillBruh]

​@@Lex_Invictus Not meaning to hate, but what do they really do to be that important?

[@EroDhika]

@@Lex_Invictus that's not a big deal for those who doesn't do crypto

[@natejennings5884]

I've been using the Libre Wolf AppImage on Linux Mint 21 for a good stretch.

[@ElChocoLocoDeLaVega]

Chrome was legit great when it first launched. It was lightning fast and was pretty much 100% compatible with every website. Now it's a resource hog that is bloated with undesirable features and collects as much of your personal data as possible.

[@kashmirwillwin3124]

"Floorp is the stupidest name I've ever heard" says while giving alternate options to a brand named Google

[@dshcfh]

"Let me floorp it" "What?"

[@MichaelDeHaven]

​@@dshcfhI get your point, but we all know nobody knew what a "Google" was back in the day. Another slight difference, I see Google as a verb and Floorp would almost certainly only ever be a noun.

[@tezcanaslan2877]

Google rolls off the tongue. Floorp doesnt and makes you sound like you are swallowing something

[@MichaelDeHaven]

Lol

[@cybernit3]

Floorp makes me think of some Alien word or Qbert...heh

[@0xde57]

15:09 Mullvad doesn't use TOR network. It's hardened TOR browser without TOR network.

[@AC9BXEric]

If you want small Vivaldi isn't it. If you want big, multi-platform, fully featured, configurable, as private as you choose, Vivaldi is awesome; although perhaps less so now.

[@yigitorhan7654]

Why less so?

[@Dominus_Potatus]

I tried to move to Firefox. The biggest issue for me was it cannot restore tabs if I turned off my PC without closing Firefox first. So, I must close firefox and by then I can turn off my PC to preserve 20+ tabs. So, that's the biggest downside which is the most important feature for me.

[@xerxes9620]

Been using Firefox since 2006. Never will I ever replace my favorite fox.

[@pyepye-io4vu]

2004 here! (Not bragging, just showing support!)

[@snygg1993]

More support 🙂 Don't remember the year, but it was named "Firebird" back then ... I guess, I'm old.

[@abdulkadiraminu262]

Honestly i love zen so much. The zen glance(where it opens the page in a pop up instead of a new tab is great for me)

[@zatsando]

3 years ago. "Goodbye Firefox". Welcome back chief!

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Oh I had only dropped it for like a month and realized everything else was garbage

[@Simte]

Firefox is absolutely great!

[@TonyJ1776]

I've been using Firefox for the last 3-4 years now, started when I decided it was time to leave Chrome behind. I mainly started using it for the popout video player that is enabled via a simple icon you click in the video. Haven't looked back since.

[@hansenxavier4403]

Same here, I found firefox mobile is actually quite decent. Since it's basically the only mobile browser supports add-ons, I really don't get why people don't use it more often.

[@boirfanman]

@@hansenxavier4403/videos Firefox on mobile was always the worst choice years ago. Now, with faster phones and later Android versions, that may have changed. A lot of us are still on older phones and Android versions and may have tried Firefox before and it wasn't a good experience. Bad experiences tend to stay with us longer than good ones. Maybe that's why. I have no idea how Google managed to get the most users. Apart from maybe taking advantage of the amount of people who don't know anything about computers and browsers. Knowing about advertising and browsers means I would never use a browser from a giant advertising company.

[@katech6020]

I am using Kiwi browser for that and for the devtools

[@Lampe2020]

5:06 The only bad thing with Floorp's workspaces is that they don't seem to cooperate well with having multiple windows open. Opening a second window aways goes to the "Default" workspace and the workspace switcher in that window also only has that one workspace even if the main window has several.

[@edmundt.buckley6858]

I'm surprised there was no mention of Pale Moon, which is an OLD fork of Firefox (2008?). They use their own store and their own rendering engine.

[@spreadneck2063]

Been a Firefox since 0.6 alpha. Never had a need to switch.

[@HaraldEngels]

Same here. Firebird 0.6 was such a relieve compared with IE. And since then Firebird/Firefox got better and better.

[@snygg1993]

I don't remember the version, but it was still named Firebird.

[@Funny0facer]

MS Edge actually has a somewhat valid reason to be used: In a work environment where everything is connected to your MS account.

[@Mempler]

Oh yeah, it actually makes Bing quite useful

[@no_name4796]

Yeah, but counterpoint: it's a microsoft product

[@zephyr_kev]

Create a problem, sell a product.

[@StarlordStavanger]

I’d rather quit that job and live under a bridge

[@GetJesse]

Yep, and if you use multiple different computers at work, having your MS account logged in allows you to keep all your links, etc. regardless of which computer you are using.

[@hyperspeed1313]

But Opera DOES have its own extension store, and if they’re continuing to support V2 then it may become the go-to store for V2-preserving chromium browsers

[@gabrielkorytiak]

MS Edge on my Linux system ??? Oh hell no ! Thats not gonna happen ! I use router to block ads so dont care much :)

[@no_name4796]

How do you block ads in the router? Do you have some program that makes the router block ip address known to be of ads?

[@BeefIngot]

Blocking adds via dns or the router is massively painful compared to an extension though due to the ergonomics of blocking or unblocking certain elements.

[@kevinacosta6606]

​@@no_name4796 that's a DNS sinkhole I believe, Pihole is a popular one

[@zuzm0]

AdGuard DNS

[@FreeManFreeThought]

I use edge for *one* purpose: web apps for a few select sites such as sketchup and nebula. that's it.

[@Avruthlelbh]

An important note: There are "Hardened" versions of Firefox you can install that still use vanilla Firefox, but take away all the unnecessary features they've added as of late. Basically the vanilla version of Waterfox, etc. that doesn't rely on being updated after Firefox has already updated.

[@A_99_R]

Still hoping for you to revisit Asahi in 2024 🙏

[@A_99_R]

Oops I meant hoping

[@HAL9010-sv1gh]

Hmmm, the Tokyo HQ of the Japanese beer company🤔?! Oh, sorry, you mean that OTHER Asahi🤣!!!

[@r.g.c.3897]

I recommend Waterfox myself. Aside from the security enhancements it has over Firefox it has also reimplemented many of the configuration options that Mozilla decided to block. One important example for me is the option to have tabs above the window and below the address bar. This was the original location for tabs until Mozilla decided to move them to the location used by Chrome, there was a short period where you had the choice to move them back but that option was eventually blocked. This may seem a silly reason to choose a browser but to me it's about choice, the Firefox developers claimed they didn't block the tab location option rather that it was no longer a possibility to have them in that location. Waterfox launched and showed that a high school kid could easily include that option, so the Firefox developers were simply lying to their users.

[@im_sreyas]

I've been using Zen for the past two weeks, and I love the vertical tabs; that's one of the main reasons I use it. 🎉 And Moved to zen from firefox...

[@l.massart9013]

They're actually Firefox Nightly's vertical tabs, that should be released to Firefox at some point in the future

[@harshnj]

Is zen stable for general use yet? I use firefox and generally have a lot of tabs open, and I cant afford losing them I have tried zen for a few minutes and it was quite nice

[@im_sreyas]

@@harshnj ya.. I also do have a lot of tabs opened at a time,now that i have moved to zen,i haven't noticed any issue in my workflow... If i had found any issues,then definitely would have switched back to Firefox.

[@lucascamelo3079]

I use vertical tabs in Firefox, btw

[@liatsu1757]

Pretty sure firefox have an extension called berry tab or something which is the same thing. Also come with a myriad of other features like grouping tabs or naming them. But i guess its not as popular

[@temari2860]

In my personal experience Vivaldi's built-in adblocker sucked more than any other adblocker I've used. I've been getting ads from time to time, and specifically on KZbin often times I'd need to hit the "skip" button even tho no ad was displayed.

[@12oranges]

Oof, I don't think Mullvad got a fair share. You should make it your primary driver for a while. You might start seeing it as a top pick for switching browsers.

[@chriscreations8853]

In simple words there's nothing worth changing to.

[@Pandacier]

Who tf even uses Chrome and watches linux-focused content

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Surprisingly, quite a few people!

[@Lex_Invictus]

Brave is a chromium browser too

[@Liltrap-l4c]

Normiea

[@pigdaniel]

Is chrome even available on Linux?

[@EroDhika]

and why you even here? seems like this panda never touch a grass

[@gullijons9135]

Vivaldi can be switched to use native operating system windows so it integrates just fine on that setting.

[@glaceonikki]

i think the name of floorp is really good its just a really fun word to say

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Haha I hate saying it out loud to friends, but it’s a funny word

[@MichaelEhling]

You might try using it as a mild expletive. For example, "What the floorp were you thinking?" Or, "Floorp me."

[@gastonlagaffe7547]

@@MichaelEhling I can't floorping believe it!

[@MichaelEhling]

@@gastonlagaffe7547 Floorp the floorpin' floorp out of those floorp floorpers.

[@averagemamil4523]

Not to be a downer - I’m pretty sure I read that the dev named browser after a friend of his who died.

[@medkhorchani404]

Just a question what's the linux distro you currently using in the video ?

[@porcupine9997]

2:45 Firefox doesn’t support the Web Serial Protocol, which if you’re into using web tools to program microcontrollers, means you have to keep a copy of chrome alongside Firefox. I really wish non chrome browsers would implement this.

[@Ophelos]

What's wrong with using the mozilla web serial api?

[@Zantigoo]

Same with the Bluetooth api. It's so easy to make these sort of hardware configuration type applications in the web stack, especially with WASM. It's a major shame Firefox doesn't feature the APIs that make them work. Even PWAs are such an easy miss that just boggles the mind. If you're into web dev at any level you're always better served by just downloading Chromium on the side.

[@HUEHUEUHEPony]

Just add it to the code and compile it

[@Sasha-zw9ss]

The one case when I had to use Chromium (not Chrome at least) was when using GrapheneOS' web installer.

[@BeefIngot]

@@HUEHUEUHEPony "just"

[@Sledy95]

Hi, thanks for video! :) Good Stuff. One question. What kind of Fedora version and desktop env are you using. It's lightning smooth!😮 Inspired by your videos I have installed newest Fedora 41, Wayland and it stutters, significantly. Newest Nvidia drivers nothing changed. 😅

[@ChaunceyGardener]

There is nothing left to browse on Internet. Desktop browsers are just a safer way to access platforms that exist primarily in the mobile space. A web browser is only worth for its privacy and adblocker capabilities.

[@tezcanaslan2877]

Neocities. Newgrounds. Blogs. Forums.

[@leonidas14775]

I try to keep mobile apps to a minimum. They are for the most part a more privacy invasive way to do what a web browser could.

[@stage6fan475]

There is nothing left to browse on Internet BECAUSE of Google's deliberate, greedy actions. Using AI to scrape all original content web pages, thus taking the ad revenue from the source web pages.

[@Gigusx]

Interesting take but I don't agree. Mobile traffic is huge because everyone takes their phone with them and uses it half the time, so maybe it blurs just how much focus it receives compared to designing for web, but the screen estate on mobile still sucks big time. Everything that's been designed for both web and mobile will look better and be more usable on a desktop browser almost every single time.

[@dallenbaldwin3484]

It's worth mentioning that Zen is still in active development so it's likely some things will be broken for a bit.

[@Coaxalis]

I'm telling you bro, if one is looking for Chrome in Linux appstore, the warning window that appears should be not about some licenses but about serious psychological help and even a phone numbers of psychological help lines.

[@leonidas14775]

I think web devs want to make sure their site loads correctly on Chrome

[@vaibhavsr.2101]

It's quite amusing how Firefox users just can't seem to catch a break. With the overwhelming majority still clinging to Chrome and its offshoots after all this time, it's hard to believe anything will ever shift in there direction.

[@rudranilghosh2713]

I personally use Vivaldi. There's not a single browser with this many useful features. And I'm not talking about email and calendar, I don't use them. They have useful features like manual tab hibernation, tab stacking, animated themes, horizontal tabs, saving sessions, their own sync system, their own email(like gmail), workspaces, etc. I tried to move to firefox a few days ago. I Just can't, Vivaldi quality of life features are too good. By

[@Gregorius421]

I used to love Vivaldi many years ago, but then it became a resource-hog and I had to move.

[@andrewmiles2204]

@@Gregorius421that’s fixed. I’ve tested on modern down to 15 year old computers and it runs great

[@rudranilghosh2713]

@@Gregorius421 Yes, vivaldi used to be like that. But last year(i think) they optimized their browser for speed, now in my potato laptop, vivaldi is as fast as chrome or brave, while running ~50 tabs (most of them hibernated of course)

[@alexb8969]

It's not open source

[@kaqqao]

​@@alexb8969For all intents and purposes - it is.

[@TheRealCartman2]

And I officially uninstalled chrome. I used chrome since 2010 and I really liked it. Google doesn’t understand that consumers don’t need them.

[@jug-eun]

Honestly if you care about what companies and CEOs do and think then you might aswell not touch a browser. Firefox - Mozilla bad Firefox derivitives - very delayed updates, more prone to exploits. Chrome - Google evil Edge - Microsoft Evil Opera - China bad Brave - CEO bad Tor - 2 years to open a page Other chromium based - irrelevant

[@FafthriechRalofson]

What is bad about Brave's ceo

[@gogereaver349]

​@@FafthriechRalofson They did some affiliate link redirects in 2020 to make money. and many don't like the entire bat system even though you don't ever need to be part of it. He also made some political donations some don't agree with. Really in terms of craziness I have seen CEOs do it is pretty low on the scale,

[@FafthriechRalofson]

@@gogereaver349 damn a CEO making political donations? now that is over the line what a scumbag.

[@nocodenoblunder6672]

Bad is better than evil.

[@gogereaver349]

@@FafthriechRalofson lol

[@MelodicMethod]

Been using Firefox for ages and today I learned about the "Take Screenshot" menu option. Thanks!

[@barkhascherp7746]

Same! It's right there in the right click menu so I don't know how I missed it.

[@mglsj]

Some important features that I feel are missing in firefox (as a dev): View Transitions API, Filesystem API and WASM GC

[@macethorns1168]

Why did they get rid of that badass feature to view pages in 3D?

[@Tim54000Production]

Filesystem API is really not a good idea in it's current form. WASM GC will happen but it need to be standardized afaik

[@animatewithdermot]

I used Opera for about 20 years, from early 00s. Had to finally bail about a year ago when they "did an Adobe" and release a version with a horrible tab-deleting bug. I'd have my usual workspaces open, for work, to read, to buy, etc., it was really important for work that those tabs stayed where they were. Opened Opera one day and all were gone. I rebuilt 90% of them from history, next time I opened, they were gone again. This went on for weeks, I really didn't want to bail. There was a thread on their forums for weeks, begging them to fix the bug. We got SFA from them. Saw a vid about Vivaldi, switched, went through some tedium to customise my icons, finally got them to work, and never looked back. Glad to hear V should be usable after the extension cutoff, but if there are YT vid issues, I'll just use one of the Firefox based options here. Thanks for the video, it's VERY helpful!

[@themadoneplays7842]

well I'm using vivaldi+ublock lite and it does make up for the loss of origin for the most part. Its not perfect but its almost on par.

[@xFluing]

Since chromium is open source anyway, can't all chromium forks just not implement manifest v3? And then you would download the old manifest V2 from the extensions websites themselves?

[@vintagegenious]

Some will (like brave), but some won't

[@BeefIngot]

It's a massive uphill battle and many of these forks rely on piggybacking off of the free work of Google engineers which was the trap Google set in the first place. All of them would need a massively larger dev team to manage compatibility and security once they started to veer off far enough. That's why most are essentially just skins with built in extensions.

[@BrianHartman]

I've been a Vivaldi guy for years. Vivaldi is basically a kitchen sink browser -- as in, everything *including* the kitchen sink. :) But it does allow you to decide how much to install. I would call it a utility rather than an operating system. It doesn't have a command line or file management, for example. But it does have its own suite of applications (RSS reader, Notes, etc.) The things I use most are the screenshot utility and the RSS feed reader. The email was really more trouble than it was worth. Workspaces are probably my favorite feature. I used to use stacked tabs a lot, but I found that workspaces are more convenient to use, sine they don't leave me with 30 tabs in one window. As far as the extensions situation, I think that's less important with Vivaldi, because Vivaldi already does so much on its own, without extensions.

[@kasta867]

Turns out that Safari is not the most disappointing browser anymore 😂

[@lucascamelo3079]

Any proprietary browser is disappointing

[@andrewmiles2204]

@@lucascamelo3079it’s not, there are other WebKit browsers. Epiphany is the main one and Orion on Mac (which is neat but ai and a shoddy ceo to boot)

[@ddbhaha1529]

Edge is much better than Chrome somehow. I didn't expect I would praise Edge over anything, but currently I am liking it.

[@Faisalalala]

Been using floorp ever since I switched to Linux, the workspaces feature is very useful and more intuitive than something like tab grouping in microsoft edge

[@ZaberfangX]

I used floorp its really nice, i did use zen too i just can get use to the tab on the side as i am a mouse clicker.

[@WalterPetrovic]

Just one question. Is there installable AdBlock software that will block ads on places like KZbin, that won't interfere with Google cancelling ad blocking for that site?

[@gorofujita5767]

Zombie company. Louis Rossman commented on this in regards to KZbin’s unskippable ads: When a company has to resort to nickel and dimming its users, it’s over - they’re in a terminal state

[@0Raik]

Embrace extensions Extend extensions Extinguish extensions

[@frantschessgo]

Thumbs up just for the sentence in the thumbnail.

[@alexsmithfanning]

Biggest thing that's keeping me from moving to Firefox on my phone and my Linux machine is the total lack of PWA/web app support (in their own separate window). No, PWAsForFirefox is not good enough.

[@Trizzi2931]

The biggest problem for Firefox for me is that it isn't as optimized as chrome's engine. It doesn't share commonly used resource between websites resulting Firefox uses way more memory than chrome based browser.

[@pmhcare]

Garuda switched from librewolf to floorp and I won't lie I like it a lot

[@turboheadcrab666]

The only reason to use Edge on Linux is if you have to work within Microsoft ecosystem. With the ad and tracker blockers in Firefox my organisation's Microsoft 365 suite is rather buggy. I keep it installed just in case I have to interact with Microsoft's websites.

[@feligato_]

Same story here. I have no technical evidence. But 365 apps just work better on Edge. I use Firefox for my personal stuff, but the default in my linux systems is Edge (Beta). Don’t hate me please 😅

[@Tall_Order]

Floorp sounds like what happens when a frog throws up.

[@prscrystalized3706]

Brave still nicely blocking youtube and google crap here!

[@macethorns1168]

I'm glad LinuxExperiment mentioned the Brave CEO...looked him up and now I'm supporting Brave even harder.

[@JwFu]

"and google crap" whilst watching youtube, kinda ironic no? also ff with ubo works just fine on youtube.

[@ionlyspeaktruth.1411]

@@macethorns1168 haha yeah i did the same exact thing and searched on the topic and found out he's just a normal guy. I've been using brave for a long time and guess i'll stick with it for now.

[@StarlordStavanger]

@@macethorns1168gross

[@comosaycomosah]

@@macethorns1168 lmao my man! i love he mentioned this too bc brendan also created javascript so its just funny and ironic when people wont use brave

[@adeniranbalthazar5700]

I like the way Zen really gets out of the way. It sure would be better if we could use the tab bar anywhere we like (even at the bottom of the browser), but it's really been a smooth ride

[@notCAMD]

A lot of people are turned away from Brave because it's so bloated by default

[@R4d1o4ct1v3_]

I mostly just find it really hard to trust a cryto bro company with all my sensitive data. - Even tho it's mostly open-source (there are proprietary UI elements, from what I can tell), 99.9% of the time people are installing it from a binary provided by the company, so there is still a LOT of trust involved.

[@Gigusx]

Still the best one of the three (Chrome/Firefox/Brave) imo. Performance has been similar for me in Brave, but Chromium-based extensions and general UI are light years ahead of Firefox.

[@RegisBodnar]

Not a huge fan of Zen’s layout either, but I’ll learn to love it for the extra speed I get with it!

[@stclaws9580]

including mail and calendar doesn't make the app "the full OS". "i don't think that belongs in a browser" - that's valid, and that's why one can turn it off. i also don't think videocalls belongs to browser Brave too. does it make it an OS for some reason? no? so "if you just wanna browser that has plenty of features and are able to ignore ..." is applicable to Vivaldi too.

[@vintagegenious]

both are bloated

[@raidev_]

so basically if Firefox and thunderbird were the same app

[@andrewmiles2204]

Vivaldi ftw

[@jeffrodrequez]

I've been running Zen for the last couple of weeks, I like it so far - except the vertical tabs, like you lol.

[@vnc.t]

opera has their own extension store, they don't rely on the chrome web store.

[@GorujoCY2]

microsoft edge too. However both can install chrome web store [when granted if necessary] but this is true

[@OLmL1]

Opera is a turbo spyware

[@Lambda_Ovine]

Been using Zen for several months now, took some time to get used to the vertical tabs bar, but I gotta say, I like it better now; I'm starting to subscribe to the idea than because we often use horizontal wide screens in desktops, placing as many UI elements on the sides is the way to go to take better advantage of screen space

[@softwarelivre2389]

U missed GNOME Web. The only Webkit GNU/Linux browser. Even a mention about how it is not viable would be nice

[@mrpiggy105]

Zen is great (if you like vertical tabs). It's FOSS, modern (with the occasional understandably broken feature) and really expansive and flexible (mods that can fundamentally change the browser layout, installable from the store with the click of a button). It's got a great open community that I've been involved in for a few of weeks and it's rapidly evolving with every release. I recommend trying it if you're happy to try a new layout (which may or may not be better for you - depends on your preferences). I'll try to get an option or at least a mod for horizontal tabs (although I think vertical should be the default).

[@pierrealessandre8902]

I switch to brave in 2021 and I dont use extensions. I havent look back since. My scearch is not poluated. Thanks for the video, very insingtfull

[@theacademe]

Looking forward to the new Ladybird browser.

[@davidebalsano6741]

Im looking forward to serenity os

[@StarlordStavanger]

It’s gonna take at least 2-3 years from now at a minimum but better late than never

[@StephenMcGregor1986]

my eggs are placed in this basket personally

[@Sasha-zw9ss]

This or Servo.

[@johnr9659]

I had been using FireFox, but it got to the point where the browser was getting very slow to display a page. Have recently switched over to Edge, which is much faster... Curious why FF would be so slow, I would like to back to FF if it would be more responsive... Thanks for any responses ahead if time.

[@FunFreakeyy]

Never used Chrome and I don't know why most people magically used it after it came out back when it released. Maybe a lot of invasive ads to promote it.

[@MilanStojakov]

Same. Chrome was pretty bad for a long time, but everyone was switching to it. Never understood why

[@GamesFromSpace]

Because Firefox got really bad for a while, glitchy and inhaling memory back when we didn't all have 32gb.

[@FunFreakeyy]

@@GamesFromSpace Mhmm okay, maybe I was using Firefox so casually back then that I didn't notice.

[@FagnerLuan]

What will happen if KZbin start forcing the usage of Manifest v3 browsers?

[@notjustforhackers4252]

firejail firefox has been my daily go to for the best part of a decade.....what's Chrome?

[@gamedirection6826]

My biggest issue with linux on a laptop is closing the lid seems to screw something up. Does tux laptops fix this?

[@donk8589]

Any suggestions for the best alternative to Chrome for using Microsoft Teams and Outlook? They work well in a Chrome tab (notifications, speaker, microphone, etc.) And SVG performance?

[@xassix]

No mention of Ladybird?

[@v0ldy54]

Virtually nonexistent right now, no reason to mention it until it becomes a real program normal people can use

[@dannydivine7699]

Libra Wolf acts a little strange when I went to about:config to set search to open in a new tab, it didn't appear to allow me to search for the setting???

[@artur-rdc]

Moving to firefox has been a nightmare. It's nothing like it was back in the day. I'm honestly considering switching back to chrome or another alternative for all the quality of life features, compatibility and stability. It sucks, but I might actually have to do it.

[@andreja-yk2nu]

Brave has chrome extensions if thats what you need

[@k4everut]

Firefox is better integrated in Linux than Chrome based browsers, especially in Wayland. I was a major Chrome user until I switched to Plasma's Wayland session on my Surface Pro. Firefox works well with Wayland pretty much out of the box. You just have to set one global environment variable. Chrome based browsers require that a local variable is set for EVERY Chrome instance, to include every PWA, just to get the onscreen keyboard to appear. If you're using a desktop or laptop with an attached keyboard, that's not a big deal. However, if you're using a 2-in-1 without the keyboard attached, or you want to flip the keyboard out of the way and just use the touchscreen, it's best just to use Firefox.

[@StaceyAyodele]

Only reason I'm sticking to Chrome and Chrome-based browsers is because KZbin doesn't work properly in Firefox for my systems anymore...which sucks.

[@LieseFury]

works fine in floorp on my machines

[@StaceyAyodele]

@@LieseFury Good for you. I guess I could try Floorp....

[@StaceyAyodele]

@@LieseFury I moved to Floorp and shockingly, it's amazing compared to Chrome. I dunno what the team behind Floorp has done, but it's AWESOME!

[@sHuRuLuNi]

Wow, I did not know that about Brave's CEO. Thank you for enlighting me - I now like that guy even more!

[@warko4]

Waiting for ladybird..

[@5fr4ewq]

Project made by a transphobe and homophobe? No thank you

[@HUEHUEUHEPony]

They jumped the shark as soon as they chose a programming language that only supports mac

[@warko4]

@HUEHUEUHEPony As far as I know, swift supports both linux and windows except windows support is not 100% complete..

[@WinstoneSmith]

Even if you ignore Vivaldi's 'subsystems' it still has very useful tab pile and stacking, integrated EXIF among other things that impresses, and I love tab coloring. Then, annoyingly they never take the time to comply with Linux dark mode. Could be such good fit! As for Brave, the cripto wallet allows for paying creators associated with them (some KZbinrs included), although yeah, it is not something entirely innocent. Still, they way to go for KZbin watching as Google won't detect or interfere with its ad blocker.

[@animatewithdermot]

It's been a lifesaver for me. I've got it on my Win10 machine and my very VERY old linux laptop (6G, from 2008!) and even being a heavy browser, I was able to get it to work fine there.

[@andreja-yk2nu]

Brave still works great

[@ShinSpiegel]

When google removed “don’t be evil”, it was the start of the end. I already uninstalled whatever chromium I was using in favor of Firefox ones :)

[@jkbobful]

I use Firefox, Brave and Mullvad

[@AlexandruVoda]

I really don't get why Vivaldi and Brave do not make their own extension store. Also AFAIK both Opera and Edge do have their own extension store.

[@SteveM0732]

If you are going to not use Brave because of the politics of some of its people then you need to make the same disclaimer about Firefox as Mozilla is flat out discriminating against certain groups people. I just wish software projects and companies would stay out of politics.

[@scrittle]

I just don't like Brave's bitcoin wallet, lack of customisation and slow load times.

[@Padah-m1r]

Thank you. I made a similar comment, but you said it MUCH BETTER .

[@Blue2x2x]

"I just wish software projects and companies would stay out of politics." I kinda get what you're saying, but you're talking about staying out of the "culture war", not politics. As the topic of privacy is indeed political itself. Also I noticed the people who wishes that "Companies stay away from politics" often get extremely political themselves. Hell, Even they'll cheer and make a big deal about am apolitical company/service/product being apolitical, which is a political statement itself. I mean, if a company say something political that you externally agree with as actual "fact", would you tell that same company to "shut up" because it's political? Or would you let them slide because you agree with it?

[@jacquousdq6s5465c]

This, the hypocrisy is so tiresome.

[@SteveM0732]

@@Blue2x2x True, politics is not the right word. I'm actually not sure what all people are doing in the various projects that is making sensitive people get upset, but perhaps "culture" is a better way to describe it. I'm searching for a word to describe the human tendency to become disgusted and outraged when someone else expresses their opinion or acts in a way that is at the time considered legal and moral, yet is counter to our own sense of right and wrong to the extent that we put on our morality police hat and go around trying to right these "wrongs". I once told a co-worker about a new place to eat that was opening up soon in the area. He quickly told me how I couldn't eat there because that company supported some things that he disagreed with. I happen to not be offended by what the owners of that restaurant did, but now I have to hide from people where I eat lunch lest others around me take offense. I'd just as soon not be in that position, so yah, don't support one side of a controversial topic if you are in business with the public. I just want lunch without a side of indignant scolding. Now I can't even pick a web browser without considering first who might find out and read me the riot act. As per business and politics, I'm not a fan of the mix no matter how they align with my own views. Sure, get involved in law making when it directly pertains to your business (eg. John Deere fighting against right to repair laws), but don't go donating large chunks of cash to a certain politician or political group in exchange for favor.

[@ariloguecom]

you missed firedragon (made by garuda developers) and midori next generation (made by astian) : )

[@natejennings5884]

Part of running a govt connected (DARPA) monopoly is limiting users' options.

[@czanderrr]

I really liked what Arc was doing but I moved to Linux entirely recently so no Linux version sucked, but good thing Zen is around and it's great!! Love vertical tabs personally and it performs better than Vivaldi and Arc for me, so wins all around