Total War Saga: Troy - Greece Lightning

Total War Saga: Troy returns, as we dive into the full campaign, meet some harpies, discover the mechanics of love, and fire an awful lot of arrows...
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[@minscandboo9749]

HISTORY LESSON TIME! HISTORY LESSON TIME! HOORAY! Well, kind of history, more legendy type things... it’s still from MATN though, so it’ll be amazing!

[@5Andysalive]

Must be legend. Paris is nowhere near Greece. Anyway. Jon explaining the "mechanics of Love" is what i look forward to.

[@TheFerwell]

All hail Jon and his rants about classics, and rest in peace Paris, 'cause I smell a character hitman.

[@fightthepowerman]

Um gods are literally mentioned in The Histories and are therefore historical cannon

[@HyperionHelstrand]

Jon: "Ares is on my side!" Top of the screen: "No God is on your side." Loving the optimism, Jon.

[@aeigdiusflaviusquintus1337]

32:08 = "It's over Philomedes! I've got the High Ground" [I know, that was a bad joke, I'll now see myself out]

[@MorganDade]

Jon: After the battle we pick up food, and there is nothing on the battle field but the corpses of our enemies, maybe we don't ask questions about that. They presumably weren't moving the army around starving, I imagine they had supplies on them, like, you know, rations.

[@fightthepowerman]

Nah mate wide spread cannibalism is the only sensible answer

[@HaidDaSalami1]

Loved the spiffing brit shoutout

[@Kelindril]

It's so much like Warhammer 2 that Jon even plays his faction here like Scaven, with the expendable fodder troops and the insane ranged-units!

[@aeigdiusflaviusquintus1337]

All right, we NEED MATN to do a full on Odysseus Campaign with this when it comes out! Jon’s tendency to turn pretty much most of Total War/Paradox campaigns into a History lesson will/should work rather well with Odysseus being the Achaean King who had the most common sense!

[@5Andysalive]

Odysseus went there, built a horse and then went back home which took him many years.

[@aeigdiusflaviusquintus1337]

@@5Andysalive Well, At least he didn't accidentally sack the wrong city or Blabber his weakness to the SISTER or his enemies.

[@5Andysalive]

@@aeigdiusflaviusquintus1337 Was he trying? He took a few years to find his own home. Someone must have lead him to Troy.

[@thumper8684]

A lot of Romans would have said Odysseus was a ratbag. They were hardcore for Aneus. Odysseus killed a lot of people out of paranoia, be he was basically alright. He was a bit too smoothe. People sure did like giving him presents but he would be like, just toss it on the pile.

[@aeigdiusflaviusquintus1337]

@@thumper8684 Yeah, however, the Romans would mainly have a negative opinion of Odysseus as he was a Achaean, while the Romans as you might know claim decent from the Trojans. Odysseus can overall be seen as smart but to the Romans this is interpreted as sly and/or cunning.

[@Higbo1710]

You got your hands on the campaign part of this game and you DIDN'T call the video Troy Story??? I am disappointment

[@aeigdiusflaviusquintus1337]

I agree

[@dashiellgillingham4579]

Son, I am disappoint.

[@tejshah6083]

I believe Paris is being cast as a Saturday-morning villain because he exhibits all the relevant traits - cowardice, arrogance, a sexy voice, impotence in bed, an aptitude for inducing adultery in himself and others- you know, all the good stuff

[@rancidkippa4589]

Also not sure why he's saying Total War did a character assassiantion on him - Homer already has that covered

[@Silverhawk100]

Also, isn't all that stuff what we get from the Illiad? In other words, Paris is cast as the villain because he's the villain of the Illiad?

[@Naeron66]

Pretty accurate according to Homer.

[@EvilOverlord1662]

Jon, you're not eating your enemies, you're raiding their camp and stealing food from there!

[@ArgandTabletop]

I see we are of one mind on this occasion.

[@GreenestLegion]

Yeah, I just assumed you were taking enemy provisions as well.

[@Devire666]

Nah, the tooltip says that you are ransoming them. But I prefer Jon's way of thinking :D

[@JulieanGalak]

**you** might be raiding their camp. Jon is eating them. :D

[@Devire666]

@@JulieanGalak Fair enough :) Then again, knowing Jon, I wouldn't be surprised if he did that on accident. Like, he wanted to ransom them but got confused, ate them, and then tried to ransom their food supplies :D

[@Nickunparalleled]

Proposal: Kong Rong/ Paris team-up featuring Archery, Arts, and having Epic Wives

[@kindadumb916]

Despot Perun The Wise of Serbia We really should.

[@Ma_Zhongying]

@@Lolavs The meet-ups aren't good enough for you.

[@mraschlewin8034]

I couldnt tell if the harpies were literally harpies, or just female human warriors called harpies. If it's the latter it makes some level of sense. The island is called Lesbos, and has a bit of a reputation.

[@1lostmuffin]

Ah yes, why would we want to assassinate the character of Paris... the wife stealer. The coward that ran from Menelaus in a 1v1 duel for Helen. Yep, just an upstanding guy that Paris

[@plaidpvcpipe3792]

Unlike Aeneas who save many lives, fought in duels against all sorts of people. Didn't steal anyone's wife too, although he did become "good friends" with Queen Dido of Carthage.

[@maremaarten]

@@plaidpvcpipe3792 queen Dido? Isn't that way later?

[@korub1]

Jon: Paris is gloomy so my soldiers have a morale debuff, oh well, I don’t have time to fix that. Also Jon: why are my linemen running away?

[@o-mangaming5042]

9:15 your enemies had a supply train of their own, Jon. You didn't eat the enemies, you ate their stuff.

[@nopenoperton5448]

Hahaha! I had the same thought. I was perplexed why Jon would immediately go the cannibal route instead of the more logical supply train route.

[@o-mangaming5042]

@@nopenoperton5448 He's played too much Fallout in the course of his life.

[@julianusvictor327]

Jon: "I'll be having myself a nice little pocket of high ground" *Obi-Wan liked that*

[@catalyst336]

please do a part 2, i love when you discuss history mid game. made odyssey really fun to watch.

[@diavolo3436]

The thing is he's not allowed, the game developers made it so only 90 minutes gameplay is allowed *Pretty sad*

[@catalyst336]

@@diavolo3436 good point. well i can hope he does a few episodes when its released at least lol

[@diavolo3436]

@@catalyst336 yeah

[@michaelmarrinan9981]

Ive never really watched these type of games but jons character assassination in the last video sold me

[@getnohappy]

CA better be using all these releases to develop "Medieval 3: it's about damn time"

[@MalevolentSh4d0w]

I like how Jon skips nicking enemy supplies right to cannibalism.

[@shotgunshells2]

I guess he's too used to playing Skaven.

[@beaniefunnygamer7225]

Love how he explains everything. It is very helpful and its also great to watch

[@XnavirX]

There's something satisfying in Philomeides's troops putting a decent fight after Jon's bragging how much he's going to wipe the floor with them :)

[@DFAnton]

God damn, your pun game is on point. You roll these things out like you're desecrating Hector's corpse.

[@electriclegend6390]

Asking again... what happened to space rome? Answer me jon.

[@Oneill665]

One of the Stellaris series, the one with the space romans.

[@ResonantRTS]

I want to see an army of only Minotaurs.....

[@stevependleton2525]

Of course lol

[@copperhamster]

Ah yes, Troy Story.

[@HistoricalWeapons]

the amount of ammunition carried by the javelins is ridiculous, most soldiers carried 3-5, how can you carry 15 without a cart? if you reduce the ammo and simply make javelin soldiers a lot cheaper or better at cavalry

[@masonhallman2442]

"Oh these slings are good for the money" Oh god Jon NOT AGAIN!!!!

[@CommissarMitch]

Paris Victory: When you win a battle but suffer such losses your army need a long rest.

[@ObviouslyNotXenrek]

Come for the total war, stay for the mythology and history, and especially the character assassination of mythical figures Heres to hoping for more games that give you an excuse to give fun facts

[@joshuamangnall]

I'm gonna be real, I clicked just because of the amazing pun! Best I've heard in some time! Alternative joke: What does John Travolta drive in Athens? His Greece Lightning

[@ichimaru96]

i do actually like the look of the campaign, but god i hate a lot of the unit and character designs, it's so "xena warrior princess"

[@ichimaru96]

@jocaguz18 true, but it's like how I wouldn't want total war Rome to be based on Asterix and obelix despite those being fun movies 😂😂

Are there heavy javelin units that are tanky? WAIT I TAKE THIS BACK TOO, JAVELIN THROWERS ARE ACTUALLY GOOD AT MELEE AS THEY ALWAYS SHOULD HAVE ALWAYS BEEN!

[@MerlynCooper]

Food would be in their logistics train, Jon! They would have food with them.

[@Sinonlynx]

"this fight inside a cornfield or whatever" jon....

[@poofbomb-minecraftmore1883]

Jon’s History Lesson type videos are better than just showing off the games, but damn his gameplay is entertaining

[@Apankou]

I just went down to the comments to see whether anyone picked up on that "I've got plenty of good wood coming in" line.

[@theclimbto1]

"But what a bloody mess". Well, yeah, MATN... War usually is.

[@J0hnzie]

The Greec-e horse gets the bronze? I'm sorry i don't know classics I'm trying

[@Pablo-pe2rv]

The moment you mentioned Spiff I instantly thought you two would be very good friends and now I cannot stop shipping this relationship.

[@FigitTheDigit]

Is Paris gunna be sent on a training montage with... Philoctetes, the trainer of heroes!

[@pandapotato1617]

I’m barely 10 minutes into the video and I already want this game

[@thisaccountnameiscompletel8949]

Does anyone else just hate the new total war UI? I know it’s weird but I much preferred Attila and Rome II’s visuals. Bit more muted and easier on the eyes

[@CluelessJr]

I'm also not a fan of these "hero" units. What's so bad about a general's bodyguards?

[@abc68130]

Not really that interested in the game, I'm just here for the history/mythology lesson.

[@diavolo3436]

I wonder how skirmish or custom battles work Would they use the new multi-resource Or just food Or even gold How would siege battles work in skirmish Are you allowed to make siege towers, Trojan horse, and wrath of Poseidon for that I'm interested to see how this works

[@BeinDraug]

Listening from 18:00 - 22:00 was very sureal as a real life Helen

[@epicnl1186]

Love how they used Cadmean Victory instead of Pyrrhic Victory

[@mc_abber]

dunno why the majority is throwing so much shade at troy, this looks so fresh and fun!

[@BarbarianGod]

The resource mechanics remind me a bit of Kohan Immortal Sovereigns now

[@craigcollings5568]

All the cities are wrong. Jon, please RTW. You know it's the best.

[@gostchiken]

"Gold Gilders" Yo dawg I heard you like gold.

[@kf141892]

Interesting; you're a far more competent player than "the other guys" whose videos of Paris' campaign I watched. Look forward to seeing more of your videos.

[@crazyhercules9442]

I like how he subtly, nonchalantly mentioned Spiffing Brit😂🤫

[@rathernotpick7183]

I was going through tv tropes on the topic of what an idiot and Paris show's up in there below is what was there. Paris has been chosen as a judge to determine who's the most beautiful at a wedding feast by giving his choice an apple labeled as "For the Fairest". Aphrodite, Hera, and Athena all try to bribe him - Hera offers world domination, Athena offers genius smarts and martial skill, and Aphrodite offers the love of the most beautiful woman in the world. You'd Expect: Paris to choose Hera and gain a royal harem as part and parcel of World Domination, or to choose Athena and use his smarts to gain World Domination and aforementioned harem. Just about every person who has read the myth has thought this at some point. Or: If Paris won't have any woman but Helen, he could still choose one of the other goddesses and use their bribes to get her. In Hera's case, the idea of being given World Domination does suggest that you'd get sufficient military resources on hand to keep the world in line, which he could use to sort out anyone who tries to get Helen back. In Athena's case, you'd think that he could use his smarts to come up with a way of getting Helen without causing a huge amount of trouble. Or: Toss the apple to Hestia (she who tends the hearths of Olympus), Demeter (she in charge of all plant life), or maybe even Persephone or Amphitrite, to Take a Third Option. Or Even: Paris could say that he, a mere mortal, cannot be great enough to choose who, out of the three Goddesses is the most beautiful (not to mention realizing that, no matter who he chooses, two powerful Goddesses will be angry with him for not choosing them). Or Perhaps Even: He could have given it to the bride (since the bride is the most beautiful woman in the world in her wedding day) and gain the grudging approval of all three. Hera's dominion includes marriage - she can't object without mocking her own power; Aphrodite's is love - she has to stay her hand for pretty much the same reason; Athena, as a goddess of intellect, would also probably approve of this display of guile and skill. And to boot, he'd ingratiate himself with the hosts. Instead: Paris chooses Aphrodite and gains the hand of an already-married queen, with most of the armies of Greece bound to rescue her, as well as the enmity of two of the most powerful goddesses in the pantheon. Cue The Trojan War. In Addition: In some versions the apple is put there to sow discord by Eris, the goddess of spite, who for some reason Paris thought it would be a good idea not to invite. It's not like she'll hold a grudge or anything...

[@tomgysenbergs5262]

That would be the rational thing indeed but it would be a bit lacklustre a story to make a series out of, don't you think? You need some drama for all the sequels and prequels. Besides, Paris was probably thinking with his little brain...

[@shotgunshells2]

You don't get to be a legendary Greek hero by always doing the logical thing.

[@-Slinger-]

I'm sure that island is just a migratory stop for harpies 😜

[@BattleUnit3]

I didnt see but do different resource exploits give different garrisons? Like bronze territories give better troops, wood and food more quantity, stone...i dont know better defensive position?

[@TalonAshlar]

This game would be cooler if you could click and drag hero units such as the minotaur to join whatever unit you want. I mean screw it sometimes you just want your archers to do ok in melee

[@snosaf1757]

I really really really want a dedicated illiad video... Would be preeeetty nice... With Jon even the most boring parts would be absolutely brilliant and hilarious. Just sayin

[@bobbys332]

Jon those harpies are recruit-able on the isle of Lesbos. Considering the Lesbian history/stories associated it would make sense that Harpies existed there, Think about the sorts of men who would be arriving during this period, young men with *cough* urges, and what they would think of women who don't swing that way. Calling someone a Harpy would be a probable insult for such teases wouldn't it? :)

[@bakan117]

1:02:53 that was a change in about 700 food per turn from removing an army. It always felt pricey on WH2, but this is nuts.

[@djricecakes6035]

Spiffing Brit has been challenged.

[@meetbhatt7330]

I like the UI

[@stormboy1517]

am really looking forward to the full series Jon, more MATN history lessons

[@maremaarten]

looks cool!

[@blank6603]

9:08 don't you think the army would bring food with them? cmon jon

[@leavelez1]

knowing spiff's exploits he will beat the game on turn one and be king of troy in minutes

[@JesseHartford]

Is this game trying to become a fucking new Europa Universalis..?? Because it didn't use to be. It was simple: you build a castle, train troops, go fight battles. Total War, you know?? This just looks like fucking shit.

[@Necreon021]

"I don't know why they are character assassinating Paris". Fucker seduces a king's wife and single handedly kickstarts a war but too limpdicked to stand in a 1v1 duel that could have his people, lets his protective big brother do it instead who dies for him, then keeps hiding behind the walls as long as possible until his city gets burnt down THEN graceously picks up a bow finally to shoot like one arrow.

[@popecorkyxxiv2363]

Small tactical suggestion. Instead of forming your infantry into long walls of units try spacing the units out so the infantry blocks are roughly 3/4 the width of a unit apart. Melee units in front with ranged units behind, positioned to fire through these gaps you've made in the front line. When deployed correctly your army should be laid out in a checkerboard-like pattern. You'd think this would be very vulnerable but because of the way the AI works enemy infantry cannot move through those gaps if any portion of their line intersects with your front line. This allows a single melee unit to block multiple enemy units maximizing the efficiency of the front line while always leaving your back line a clear field of fire on the enemy.

[@shorewall]

Is it just me, or does it seem mechanically beneficial to keep putting Helen in harm's way? Let her get captured and then rescue her. (Kinda like Mario. :D)

[@thumper8684]

We will always have Paris.

[@jansenart0]

I like generals and their cavalry units in the older total wars. Individual heroes, I am NOT feeling at all. Feels way too much like Warcraft 3.

[@thumper8684]

Did the Trojans get all the bow Gods on their side? They had Appollo and Artemis. Did that mean the Greeks could never shoot straight?

[@Mobysimo]

Character assassination? I dunno Jon, Paris sounds perfectly nin character to me. This is the guy who started a war cause he kidnapped someelses wife cause he thought she was hot and no other reason

[@JulieanGalak]

Please, please, please do a full KZbin series of this game, like the one you did for 3 kingdoms. Not live stream, a recorded one.

[@aeigdiusflaviusquintus1337]

1:00:03 = Goddamnit Jon. . .

[@Arhatu]

Can owners of the warhammer games change one of the factions with one of those , I like mediterranian but I don't like greek soldiers. At least not those modelled in this game.

[@Darmoth85]

Nah... I'm not sure about this TW. At least it's free?

[@theevilmoppet]

Uhhhhh.. I have a question. Why do all the people in the bottom corner look white? Like it just doesn't make sense

[@joostteboekhorst9914]

part 2 in the ongoing series "Jon really hates Aeneas"

[@Sleepless493]

Anyone else get a lot of Sid Meiers civilisation vibes from this game. Not saying it's a bad thing, i like the combination.

[@wizstorm172]

hopefully, this game is good. It feels like the historical team is barley even trying with their games.

[@lasse6435]

Yay, what a pleasant surprise

[@tomzicare]

Why is the campaign map so dark? Could've done a bit better with some better lightning

[@devel-rh6hy]

just a thought... slingers should focus on missile and the archers should Focus the spears and swords :)

[@Anarcho-Zymurgist]

9:15 I'm assuming that's meant to represent you taking the other army's supplies, not cannibalism lol

[@Darek_B52]

"Where's the food come from?"...enemy rations obviously....You thought it was cannibalism, didn't you!

[@JesseHartford]

Total war is shit now. Medieval 2 and Rome TW were the peak of perfection, the rest is shit.

[@bigwezz]

Now that I've seen more of this game, all I can think is "wow! ... this looks like shit"

[@JulieanGalak]

Disappointed that Eris isn't one of the gods you can warship. All hail Discordia!

[@sarcastronaut]

"What I want, really, is a nice, tight choke." - Jon, 2020.

[@richardgonzalez6409]

its sad to see that they removed sea battles in these games, that used to be my favorite part of the total war games

[@KvltKommando]

Jon you sat there talking about the slope then proceeded to not make use of it at all. 35:00

[@inkyGhosty]

They went straight for the Orlando Bloom version didn't they?

[@agrama.4543]

Great video, I love how you talk!

[@Ex_Caseus_Fortis]

To be honest, I'm giving this a like and muting it while watching other stuff. I love your work, so any way I can help you against the algorithm I will. This kind of game just holds no interest to me.

[@Wyrmshield]

The diplomacy system looks much more like Stellaris, which is awesome

[@brynjarolvirsson2979]

A battle in a corn field? In bronze age Greece/Anatolia? Really Jon?

[@Nathanth_]

Does Jon have a really lossy recording setup? KZbin says 1080p60fps but no no no no, I'm not so sure.

[@selder_7]

"eating up my wood" "what I want really is a nice tight choke"