Total War Saga: Troy - World Exclusive Aeneas Reveal

[@ZenWest45]

CA: Hey Jon, do you think you can make a video to hype up Aeneas? Jon: Yeah sure thing Also Jon: I'm about to end this man's whole career

[@jeremydunn340]

Jon's joy at having the opportunity to go full excited classics student is something that makes my day and can fully relate to having gone into needless amounts of depth about the Iliad at uni!

[@Roytulin]

29 seconds in, Jon tells me I am a captive and “we’re gonna have some fun this evening”

[@Sleepless493]

I think anyone who has watched Jon just has Stockholm syndrome by this point.

[@maarchalk2840]

*sweats nervously*

[@ZumbaMarx]

Of course Roy turns it into something filthy

[@Lord_Raymund]

”Jonsyndrome ”

[@markblack5991]

Can't say I'd be able to resist

[@TheVen56]

I'm more hyped for Jon playing this game than the game itself. I'm going to learn so much, yay!

[@nyxknight7555]

Yea Love total war love Johns content not going to get this game so here I am

[@merdocpasta4230]

@@nyxknight7555 Why not get this game? Within the first 24 h post-release you can claim it forever.

[@nyxknight7555]

Merdoc Pasta don’t have a computer that can run anything newer than medieval 2 I would definitely get it then I’d also go out and buy every other total war game and then never touch a fantasy total war game for years because while they do look really cool and fun I’m just a history nut 😅

[@delta5ff]

Yeah as soon as they announced the game the first thing I thought was I cant wait for Jon to cover this and @@nyxknight7555 you may as well at least activate yourself a free copy that way if you do get a pc that can run it you'll have it already. I'm more interested workshop support so I wouldn't have paid for the epic version but as it's going to be free why not pick it up ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@nyxknight7555]

John Goodwin fair enough I suppose I’ll do that

[@We_Are_Exodus]

CA: Look Jon, we've a good relationship. We'd like you to do the World Reveal for one of the Total War Saga: Troy Faction Leaders. MATN: Oh Cool, who is it? CA: Aeneas. MATN: Aeneas? AENEAS?!?!!? CA: Ohno.

[@o-mangaming5042]

They know Jon by this point. They knew what they were doing when they gave him this.

[@TheWeirdestSnow]

Jon's been given too much power

[@JB-xl2jc]

Son of Aphrodite! Activate battle ability: “Look very pretty for 60 seconds. Confers no battle benefits. Hope to be sired by a war god next time, if reincarnation is real.”

[@dontminchinit2656]

Fun fact, if you go far enough back into Aphrodite's mythos she was once a war God aswell!

[@morganrobinson8042]

@@dontminchinit2656 Yeah, Sparta was big on the stabby Aphrodite. Hence her long relationship with Ares. Athens hated her, and also were the ones who wrote most everything down.

[@boringmanager9559]

Gets reincarnated ~2500 years later, being a son of god of war while everybody gets famous on Instagram. *cries and wishes he was son of Aphrodite*

[@myrddinemrys1332]

@@morganrobinson8042 Umm...I don't see how Aphrodite and Ares being lovey dovey would affect Sparta too much and Athens overly so considering that the Patron Deity of Sparta was Athena just like Athens.

[@sotnosen95]

Maybe it makes you *so* pretty nobody wants to put a scratch on you, making you functionally immortal for the duration.

[@Mattomune]

"Occam's Razor is something he could have stabbed her with." Fantastic.

[@sharkofjoy]

This takedown of a thousands year old mythical figure is killing me! 🤣🤣

[@rrs_13]

This slightly triggered me. Such historical and geographical incoherence! The name comes from William of Ockham (in Surrey), a XIII/XIV century friar/philosopher. Sure, the principle of the "simpler answer" had already been postulated by multiple other philosophers, but there's no reccord earlier than Aristotle. John, John...

[@NEligahn]

Real talk: in my third year of High School Latin, our main project was reading the Aeneid. It was both fascinating and hilarious as it read like Roman fan fiction, which it very much was. Aeneas was both an amazing, and amazingly awful protagonist.

[@AiasMaior]

IMO 'Roman fan fiction of Homer' is a wonderfully succinct way of describing the Aeneid.

[@derekskelton4187]

So much of historical books were fanfiction to something. It's kinda funny how we have stigma about it now, but early fanfiction is high art

[@mariusbrandon2617]

It has been said that Virgil said that Aeneas was supposed to be like Augustus Caesar and Virgil didn’t like Augustus. The entire book may have just been a dig at Augustus Caesar’s character in a way that would have had far less consequences then character assassinating Augustus directly.

[@tokiri485]

This is all I ever wanted! Just Jon talking about classics for ages :D Update: WOW JON IS SALTY ABOUT AENEAS'S PIETY

[@Speederzzz]

"The Aeneid but every time Aeneid is called pious, it speeds up" 20 seconds

[@cainsadler2078]

This might just be the best week for MATN videos ever. Assassins Creed, Watch Dogs, three The Last of Us 2 video's and the new Total War game. All we need now is a CK3 video on Saturday just to make it even better.

[@Sleepless493]

It's why Jons my favorite.

[@EtoileLion]

There was a Total War game?

[@Smi7h1sH3r3]

Creative Assembly gives Jon exclusive access to a faction Jon spends whole video character assassinating faction leader "Jon, what the hell?" "Just the facts man" "Yeah............shit."

[@pan_panvicka]

46 minutes of Aeneas roast. I love it

[@JB-xl2jc]

Love me some anus roast

[@Smeghead76]

25:27 He who controls the -spice- bronze controls the -universe- Aegean Also: I love how CA gave you some footage and first crack at showing off Aeneas and instead you spent most of the video slandering him instead. Also-also: I thought that the only reason the Aeneid even existed in the first place was that Augustus commissioned Virgil to write the epic origin story of Rome with a protagonist in the form of Aeneas who was just as awesome as Augustus was. However, supposedly Virgil wasn't exactly a massive fan of Augustus so instead of Aeneas being 100% distilled awesomeness, he was more... ambiguous. Also-also-also: Have you ever considered doing a history channel where you get to just be a pure classicist? Because I would watch the _hell_ out of something like that.

[@Speederzzz]

Also Virgil didn't want his works to be published when he died, but Augustus forced its publishing, leading to the book missing parts and having incomplete verses.

[@Herby2478]

Sorry for the people who have come to see footage of the game and have instead received a history lessen

[@Sleepless493]

Um i think you mean, "you're welcome".

[@sciuresci1403]

Lol what do you mean history lesson ? Do you consider zeus killing titans history ?

[@alexandercasey563]

ναι

[@derekskelton4187]

@@sciuresci1403 Absolutely

[@alexanderchristopher6237]

sciure sci correction: lore lesson. You happy now?

[@grtgtz7771]

Yay history time with Jon! Can't wait to see you demolish this game's lore. Well... slightly nitpick rather than demolish but its still entertaining.

[@ChulioRCHulio]

Would love to see him in his Ryse:Rome mode again ^^

[@TheFerwell]

Nah, he destroyed it real good! LOL

[@fudgeyman99]

I mean it's not the games lore that's bad really

[@verdantsquire950]

Jon has us as a captive audience, (imagining being chained to a chair while a box of eggs lectures me on history) May zeus have mercy on my soul

[@IloveSonicandShadow1]

Shouldn't that be Hades?

[@myrddinemrys1332]

@@IloveSonicandShadow1 Strictly speaking it shouldn't be either. Hades very rarely passed judgement, that was left to Aeacus, Minos and Rhadamanthus

[@tbirdland]

40:54 "But we need to talk about the mythology though because this is interesting stuff." We've made it 40 minutes Jon, I think the thesis statement is supposed to go in the first paragraph.

[@keizervanenerc5180]

Aeneas getting wrecked by Diabetes was the most fun part of the Illiad.

[@skaldhart]

As Diabetes wrecked Aeneas, it also wrecks my grandmother.

[@SahiPie]

timasaurus rex weezing

[@pinifera7761]

"Nobody likes the last six books of the Aeneid." :( rip to Nisus and Euryalus, Camilla, and the whole Turnus bit I guess

[@Silverhawk100]

I lost interest after he got back from the Underworld (and of course he went to the Underworld, Homer did it to Odysseus and therefore Aeneas HAD to do it too).

[@ManyATrueNerd]

You could cut the last 6 books of the Aeneid down to a much tighter 3, and nothing of value would be lost.

[@julescossette5942]

@@ManyATrueNerd You'd lose paper, and... THAT'S VALUABLE JON!

[@rocketboy1971]

@@ManyATrueNerd Villias in Brundisium don't pay for themselves. But I always figured it was like Lost - once it got popular Virgil wanted to keep it going despite damaging the story.

[@jivkotodorov84]

​@@ManyATrueNerd - can i ask you 2 questions 1. Do you know if this game will have mercenaries and what will they be - i know that historically there were mercenaries in this time period and that so called "Sea people" tribes (Danaoi, Achaeans, Lycians, Teresh - Trojans, Sherden - Sardinians) were famous mercenaries together with Thracians, Anatolian tribes (famous as cavalry and charioteers) 2. If in example Hector kill Achilles - can Hector take his weapons and armor and use it as it is in Iliad and TW Three Kingdoms

[@bradenculver7457]

God this is my favorite thing People don't have a choice now but to learn about Greek history and myth if they want to see Aeneas

[@maddiewettach4954]

King Iarbus: Well, I might have lost Dido to that oiled Trojan prince, but I can at least console myself with the knowledge that she didn’t pick a massive loser over me. Now to take a big sip of Carthaginian wine and watch this video . . .

[@snosaf1757]

more of this... just... more... EDIT: especially the history and mythological part!!!

[@onchristieroad]

I've just designed a unit for Year 7 English, teaching them some useful classical myths as the beginning of the Western literary context. As such, I always love any videos you do talking about classics and antiquity. Keep 'em coming good sir.

[@jamesstudholme3161]

Diomedes: Exists Aeneas: Mum come pick me up.

[@stuartmaltby2035]

Trojans; Mum can we get an Achilles? Mum; We have Achilles at home! At Home Aeneas waits for the war to end so he can go holiday to Italy!

[@amcghie7]

I could really imagine Jon as a history professor. He'd just teach classics through the lens of Total War games

[@JB-xl2jc]

I think it’s EXTREMELY clear that Odysseus visited Ulthuan, and you know it.

[@catalyst336]

i love when jon talks classics. was my favorite parts of the odyssey livestreams.

[@DesolateFields]

"This is not my footage, I was sent this footage by the developers" - that explains why the text is so tiny. Did they record this on like, 4K or something?

[@jaxonos1494]

Yay something of Jon’s I can watch as I don’t want spoilers for the current series. So yay learning about my culture (I am from Greek decent). Great video and exclusive video with Jon.

[@jom4352]

Havent gone past the 10 minute mark yet and I can tell this is one of my favorite videos you have done! Love Classics time with Jon!

[@Raven-Blackwing]

I love how excited he sounded at the start.

[@alejandrop.s.3942]

Julius Caesar before reading the Illiad: the Julii are descendants of Aphrodite through her son, Aeneas. Caesar after reading the Illiad: I'm adopted.

[@mustafaamin9516]

lmao

[@vicv9367]

at least he gets a redemption arc by "providing the seed of Rome" in his own story spinoff ((totally non canon)) haha

[@alexanderchristopher6237]

Also provoking a long-standing feud between Carthage and Rome by him being in love with Dido, queen of Carthage, and then left her heart-broken.

[@vicv9367]

@@alexanderchristopher6237 oh yeah.. A total Chad. I mean, he is a funnier character than most of the others 😂

[@dinosaur4714]

HUZZAH CAPTIVE AUDIENCE!

[@Legion12Centurion]

I like how colorful it is on the campaign map. Its nice to get this for free even. Ah I know it makes little sence to perhaps have a cult of Hades but he could have campaign effect he was also associated not only with death but with metals and such in the crust of the earth. So as the game is about bronse he could have some bonuses towards some resources to give an example.

[@gracesprocket7340]

Hellpit, Cornish Tin mines... beyond the world river... and somewhere we know the ancient bronze age was familiar with. Also on an island.

[@konradpiotrpaszkowski631]

Oh my God, Tartarus is actually Slough

[@bigscaryguy13]

Creative Assembly - "MATN is great at showing off Total War games. We should let him do the big reveal for the Aeneas gameplay." Jon - "First I'm going to tell you how shit Aeneas is. Then I'm going to read from ancient texts for half an hour. Who said something about a gameplay reveal?"

[@JSDoesThings]

Aphrodite Areia is a Sparta Aphrodite typically depicted as wearing full armor.

[@JSDoesThings]

Pausanias iii 17

[@maglorian]

see, the Spartans knew what's hot!

[@DaWombatGaming]

I know I'm in the majority of his fans and it's been said countless times but; I love when he goes full classics nerd.

[@Wyrmshield]

That was spectacular Jon! You're totally getting blacklisted though lol

[@OlOneEye]

I read the Odyssey, the Iliad and the Aeneid in high school. Good stuff.

[@Gworgalad]

A lot of comments saying "we didn't come here for a history lesson, we came for game play", pretty much sums up the fall of total war.

[@armchaircivilian3076]

too true

[@selder_7]

Imaging trading bronze for stone, that should be an instant lose condition

[@theodorepinnock1517]

Wait, so if resources, presumably mainly bronze, can run out, what if you end up in a big, drawn-out war - oddly appropriate, that - and all your mines go dry? It essentially puts a time limit on your campaign that isn't 'you didn't ramp up your strength quickly enough, the AI's stronger and is going to crush you', but rather 'you are now literally incapable of getting anything more than basic-level troops, enjoy throwing them at the enemy for a thousand turns because there is literally no way for you to increase your armies' strength beyond that now.'

[@doolittle8888]

I just have to say, the Transformers G1 scene transition brought a small tear to my eye

[@simonf823]

On the Knossos victory condition, since the total war victory conditions essentially fly in the face of the divine predestination shown in the entire saga, I wonder if it is a nod to the idea that it’s about what he wanted to do, which was against everything the gods wanted him to do. (I’m also loving the Archaic Greek labels on the sepia map)

[@anumeon]

Last time i was this early, the walls of Troy were still standing

[@ptitben56]

CA HQ, late at night in a meeting room, 10 exec look at each other, doubt is on their faces: Exec 1 : ".... we can only allow so much footage, but no youtuber will accept to make a video that's so short!" Exec 2: "Unless...." Everyone else in the room: "Unless....?" Exec 2: "... We ask Many A True Nerd....?" Exec 1 : "Brilliant, I'll go tell the team to reduce further the amount of footage... He'll be busy with Aeneas anyway...."

[@jadesabre6893]

Yay history talk with many a true nerd

[@TheFerwell]

10 minutes into a world exclusive gameplay reveal, not a frame of gameplay so far. And I couldn’t be happier, Jon, your classic lecture has my full attention

[@axeman2328]

"Yo, Jon can you hype up our new game in a vid" "Ya hol up lemme just reread the illiad"

[@bramweenink7697]

I'm just wondering how much madness could have been avoided if the gods didn't decide to mess around with the mortals all the time. Maybe then the siege wouldn't have taken over 8 years

[@Madman1234855]

The entire war was the gods' fault, specifically Aphrodite, who was responsible for Helen going with Paris.

[@OstapKomaryanskyy]

Fortunately, Kratos was able to right this wrong.

[@williamplummer7059]

Madman1234855 It was all about Paris choosing Aphrodite in a beauty contest between three goddesses! The losing goddesses (Hera and Athena) were none too pleased. They all tried to bribe Paris, Hera with royal power, Athena with victory in war and for Aphrodite the reward was Helen. Zeus had wisely declined to make a choice and had palmed it off onto a mortal, Paris, knowing that the losers would be upset and angry!!! In the Trojan war, Hera and, especially, Athena were against the Trojans.

[@ijc9837]

This was uploaded only 5 hours ago and already over 20K views. That is awesome!!

[@blckwtrpark3352]

"I do know how a mouse works" my god man, what did creative assembly do to you?

[@chastenchilders6353]

Jon can you please make some sort of podcast or yt video on the side basically just talking ab history topics ? You make it extremely entertaining. Definitely the highlight of this video and many before it

[@Next0gen0]

"A Ghost Told Me To Do It!" I didn't know aeneas invented Scientology.

[@dionhanenberg2842]

Ive read in a book of Anthony Goldsworthy that Aeneas before he went to Italy that he went to Carthage to meet Dido, the Queen of Carthage. Then after he was banned from Carthage he went on to Italy to presumeably create Rome. I hope you see my comment Jon!

[@nopenoperton5448]

That’s just the first four books of the Aeneid. He isn’t banned from Carthage, he leaves Carthage after Mercury reminds him of his duty and destiny to go to Italy.

[@tristanhoward6490]

I would happily listen to Jon be a nerd for hours

[@RenartRegal]

The geek out on the classical world was amazing. Thanks for that Jon!

[@theodorepinnock1517]

For some reason I get the impression that Jon wasn't treating Aeneas seriously and just taking the piss for entertainment value.

[@AiasMaior]

There might be a bit of bias on Jon's side, but he really doesn't do too well in the Iliad, especially when compared to the likes of Diomedes, Aias, Achilleus and Hektor. And the latter even got chased around Troy thrice like a chicken when he had to face Achilleus.

[@antonioterraparreiras192]

@@AiasMaior But to be honest, the greeks were overpowered. Hector himself could not beat Ajax (they fought to a stalemate). Achilles specially was way stronger than everyone else. And Aeneas technically avenged Troy since he founded Rome and Rome conquered the greeks.

[@thnecromaniac]

Bloody so much classics, this is why I ALWAYS watch Jon do games placed in Classical Mediterranean 🥰 Honestly, he takes about half the video to talk about Classics, befor he properly starts talking about the gameplay itself proper, then ass he talks about the gameplay, he's using it as more excuses to digress, and talk about Classics 🤣 oh how I love you Jon 🥰

[@4youp]

3 minutes in and this is already my favourite video haha

[@Sarah-bz6nd]

So this is free if you claim on launch day, which happens to be the day I find out if I got the grades to do a classics degree... I guess if not this shall be how I learn

[@plaidpvcpipe3792]

37:21 To be fair, he kind of saved the rest of his family and his people. Accidentally leaving his wife behind isn't good, but at least he did the other things.

[@EliteCuttlefish]

I came for the history lesson. I was not disappointed.

[@masonmurphy2679]

If you were to make a podcast just about history I would, without a doubt, listen to it constantly.

[@starguy321]

Love this video, especially the history. Barter was crucial for international trade but wasn’t used very often at local level. As far as I’m aware, people used credit at local level when making transactions between themselves. The shoutout for Devon and Cornwall re. Tin was nice

[@zacharysnyder2520]

Greek hero’s were absolute chads.

[@crisis8v88]

Jon, perfectly in his element.

[@Kerrigan1000]

Transformers reference in the first minute. You got me!

[@hunkydory7139]

Me: Jon, did you d... Jon: Double-check a couple of passages in the Illiad? Yeah, I did.

[@aidanpoling5305]

As someone who loves both the classics and Total war great work. You really know your stuff.

[@omerkeidar95]

CA when this video comes out must have been like 'Oh for god's sake what have we done? he turned a 15 minutes content preview into a 46-minute long history essay'

[@boringmanager9559]

It's so cool Jon talks about historical background rather than playing the game itself

[@Achilles-Heelys]

Jon if you made a history channel where you just posted videos about history you’d have me as a guaranteed subscriber

[@marshallharvey5239]

I'm so happy for you Jon. This is a huge step... well done.

[@adammanalo931]

This and Ryse are my favorite of Jon’s let’s plays. I always like it when Jon gets to indulge in talking about history and myths in his videos.

[@devotedtrashcan9076]

it makes me so happy to see you go up the lets player ranks jon !!! i hope your channel explodes :D much love to you and claire

[@FloatingOer]

Also as I've heard it, Diomedes is the only mortal in Greek myth/stories that have ever injured one of the Gods, and he also injured Ares (The frickin God of war himself) the same day with a javelin to the stomach.

[@eviemoon6904]

Yay, Classics with Jon! I love this kind of video.

[@JakePearsonPearsonJake151999]

Nothing quite like hearing Jon tearing apart the accuracy of the descriptions of nonexistent fictional characters to make my day!

[@Sleepless493]

I clicked on this video so fast and was more pleasantly surprised once the history lesson started.

[@derekskelton4187]

Winning the war as Paris and keeping Hector alive sounds like a fun campaign

[@nickbowers5799]

Jon nerding out on classical history are my favorite videos, hands down.

[@davidradloff-licht]

Congrats Jon!

[@Kabcr]

With great power, comes great responsibility. Jon...

[@tomchaney6085]

Look Aeneas just didn't want to repeat (preempt?) Orpheus' mistake.

[@Docktavion]

Hey John. great review, it’s good to see a positive in-depth look at the game from the information you’ve had access to so far. On a side note have you ever played the board game called Mare Nostrum? If not I recommend it.

[@Ganjalfiltubo]

He is SO giddy and happy talking about history and myth

[@willcarroll4142]

@25:10 is that a "cyclops" with a mammoth skull helmet? That's an amazing detail they added.

[@isaacshultz8128]

Yes!! I love hearing you talk about classical history

[@Sleepless493]

He should really start Many a True History

[@isaacshultz8128]

@@Sleepless493 oh my gosh yes!

[@polishenglish8356]

History lesson with Jon is always welcome!

[@bobskool]

Jon's on a power trip, and he's going to use it to TEACH STUFF!

[@tuurekeranen1771]

I admit, "Teaching the Classics: a Series by Many A True Nerd" would be a show I'd watch religiously, if the analysis stays on par with this video. Thank you CA for providing us this treat. :'D

[@steelgoodwin]

The start of this is gold with doing some honest history lesson about these characters backstories

[@ChulioRCHulio]

History with Jon is great but looking forward to das Deadly Premonition 2 Playtrough xD

[@sarahdesrosiers8876]

I'm so proud of you and your world reveal!! Yay Jon!

[@selder_7]

Hope that trade and resource scarcity do play a big part of the game. It speaks more to the nature of war and expansion if you are trying to take things from other people because you are in dire need

[@alexmag342]

Aeneas Is a CHAD, apart the times when he acts like a cowardly weasel