Dragon Ball GT: A MASSIVE Review

[@TotallyNotMark]

Check out Genshin Impact's animated spot here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYnanYWLZ9Glhq8 The views/opinions expressed in this video are my own.

[@vinceivansantilices9704]

yo first

[@crckerjack5852]

Is this a supercut??

[@lifeloverNorris]

@@crckerjack5852 Looks like it's compilation of his individual db gt reviews

[@eddyrehman9026]

Kevin Conroy has passed away

[@crckerjack5852]

@@eddyrehman9026 I know

[@marksunboxingzone]

That ending hit hard cause back then, that was the end. There was no 'The End' at the end of Dragonball and Dragonball Z, when you saw it at the end of GT, especially with it being 100 years later and Pan being the only character left, it just felt so final.

[@aaronhpa]

And for me is the actual final.

[@housinengi9512]

till you remember they made a canon gt movie where they go along with the ending

[@anthonydeadman]

Yeah.......sometimes I wish Super never existed. Honestly. For the all the bad moments GT provided, it had a beautiful ending to finish off the Dragon Ball franchise once and for all. I don't even know if Super will ever even have an actual ending so long as marketing demand keeps happening these days. GT may not be canon, but at least I can say it actually had a satisfying ending.

[@Sorenthaz]

Felt depressing as hell honestly because they ruined so many characters and wasted so much potential of the new generation with Uub and Pan in particular. While there were some good elements, like SSJ4 essentially bringing things full circle with a Saiyan's most unique aspects (their tails and Oozaru transformation) that got lost and largely forgotten about upon the end of the Saiyan Saga, most of it was just awful and painful to watch. Even back then most of the villains just felt stupid and confusing. Didn't help Funimation's English dub had the god awful rap song intro and the score for the dub was so awfully edgy for no reason, creating a horribly confusing and much darker atmosphere than the original anime portrayed. It was like where Faulconer's score in DBZ added scifi/mystery/alien elements and made certain scenes feel more intense or dramatic, GT's was just constant intensity and low guitar chords that made it almost metal for some reason. In general GT just felt so awfully disconnected and horribly written, to where it took a fat dump on anyone not named Goku. The ending in the dub didn't feel sweet or like a pleasant send off to me, it just felt disappointing and confusing as to why there was a Goku and Vegeta Jr, with Pan's potential completely wasted.

[@Elzzaw]

For me the only reason it hit at all was because it showed the journey Goku had gone through. The ending made absolutely no sense what-so-ever. I always wondered why Goku went with the dragon. He wasn't the one that initially went looking for the dragon balls, hell he himself hardly ever used the dragon balls, it was mostly his friends. The whole thing just made no sense. Goku has absolutely no connection to any of the dragons other than the 4 star ball being a keepsake from Gohan. It was just so contrived and stupid in an attempt to get a reaction from an ultimately boring series.

[@freddyfazdude9432]

Super seventeen having to constantly pull his hair back is the most well thought out aspect of his entire arc

[@CYeoung]

rubber band

[@KingKuntaNAtor]

@@CYeoung Y’know, maybe that band would snap and he’d be distracted for like, 5 seconds and then Goku could hit him with the Dragon Fist

[@heppuplays9125]

the fun thing is. it's competely realistic. I have the exact same type of hair style as super 17 ( well minus the giant hair antenna and the obvious anime style.) That is just what happens. I do the same thing all the time. With hair like that your hair falls down on your face everytime you as much as look down. Which Super 17 is doing quite a lot in this arc.

[@Sonicfalcon16]

also a cool design

[@criscrosxxx]

He looks hella cool

[@clouddueitt6577]

As far as what Baby became, it’s kind of amazing. He became what he never wanted to be, but he also became what Vegeta USED to be. It’s a pretty full circle situation.

[@StriderZessei]

I just wish he didn't have to rob Vegeta of all his agency.

[@mariokarter13]

Surprised you didn't mention that the 4-Star Dragon being Goku's ally was a callback to the beginning of the entire franchise when the 4-Star Dragonball was a family heirloom from his adoptive grandfather.

[@dillonu.4975]

He's biased towards being a gt hater so of course he wouldn't

[@grayone7539]

​@@dillonu.4975no, he's not

[@tobias8351]

@@dillonu.4975 doesn't fix the bs ending it got.

[@maazahmedpoke]

you're acting like the fan base gives a crap about the og db. Explains why most people dont like the shift from dbz to a more og db direction in gt.

[@KhilitSavla25]

@@maazahmedpoke BECAUSE FROM A STORY POINT OF VIEW IT WAS SHIT. Unlike what Daima will be doing.

[@unknownvariable9239]

Fun fact: it’s narratively satisfying that Goku befriends the dragon that represents the Four Star Dragon Ball, because that was the Dragon Ball that Goku originally owned at the beginning of the series. He also has a deep emotional connection to the Four Star Dragon Ball because when he was little he believed that it housed the soul of his late Grandpa Gohan.

[@starfishkol1155]

Honestly this was the most heartfelt story line in the whole of gt. First time I had real nostalgia.

[@ProjektTaku]

honestly nostalgia done right.

[@aster7420]

Was that intentional or a coincidence by the writers?

[@sylphy6662]

@@aster7420 Obviously intentional

[@aster7420]

@@sylphy6662 Wow..props for them ngl.

[@feathero3]

My biggest disappointment was never seeing a grown up Gotenks. They were even about the fuse but get told not to. My friend watching literally stood up and shouted, "Let them fuse!"

[@rocksaltinyt]

Even Super Hero kinda teased people with that by showing an improperly fused high-school aged Gotenks, but keeping the properly fused Gotenks offscreen

[@hectorandrade8729]

​@@rocksaltinyt at least super didn't end yet do there's still a chance to see a grown up Gotenks

[@sentientmustache8360]

@@hectorandrade8729 speaking of which, i wonder what Super’s final arc will be, maybe Frieza doing a full scale siege on the universe

[@shawziiz5031]

Well Xeno Gotenks is what grown up Gotenks will look like. I doubt they gonna do any drastic change considering the canon Gogeta just look similar to the non-canon version

[@orangejuice4266]

@@sentientmustache8360Frieza is supposedly tying to become the strongest literally ever so this seems plausible. Also could mean that Goku/Vegeta can officially be the strongest in the uni/multiverse if they beat him

[@brandonstickels5435]

Iirc, each evil dragon was based off a "good" wish, while the 4-star dragon (the only "good" one) was based off King Piccolo's "evil" wish. That was a wrinkle I liked that I wished was expanded on

[@jacksonmurphy8169]

It could be a counterbalance as a result from each wish For every good wish, an evil dragon exists to even it out Same for every evil wish

[@Kreacher3]

Also, it's fitting since the 4-star ball is the one Goku had a personal connect to as his last reminder of Grandpa Gohan.

[@amelialonelyfart8848]

The arc really feels like a first draft. Lots of cool ideas that didn't have time to really cook to realize their true potential.

[@Jashinthegiant]

@@amelialonelyfart8848 I would have liked if the dragon from every wish would have tried to undo the wish, just to give them purpose. So like the first weak one would try to kill Bora again. That would also explain why he's relatively weak, when he only resembles the power to kill a relatively harmless guy. Then the one star dragon would get a lot of power to destroy the planet and all it's people again.

[@ImInLoveWithBulla]

@@Jashinthegiantso Oceanus would exist solely to dress Bulma in underwear. That’s a show I’d watch.

[@lorvincent]

I actually like the Earth as moon thing... it is an interesting reversal. Also, from the surface of any satellite, the planet it revolves around would appear to be a moon. Most importantly, the idea that the Earth itself unlocks Goku's ultimate power is thematic af.

[@GhostCassette]

And we've seen the Saiyans use the power ball to transform so it's not like this is a first.

[@manipulatortrash]

I just feel its bizarre because...wouldnt that sort of happen with most planets then? How did the saiyans travelling to other planets not accidentally go oozaru?

[@WoobertAIO]

@@manipulatortrash that's why they always have their eyes closed while traveling in their space pods, probably

[@manipulatortrash]

@@WoobertAIO i mean, the question then is: why do they have windows on their pods anyways? They sent literal babies to planets, what's stopping them from accidentally going oozaru in outer space? I'm pretty sure this is just poor writing on gt's part tbf, it makes no sense considering it was always specified to be a "full moon," but it still feels a bit weird considering how many accidents could occur. I mean, why didn't vegeta just use the earth in the goku vs vegeta fight? Blutz waves aren't really dependent on proximity from what we've seen with the power ball, so realistically every planet would trigger the transformation...?

[@thetruth45678]

​​​@@manipulatortrashSpace is a huge place.You're very unlikely to encounter a planet you are not traveling to, and becoming an Ozaru as you approach isn't that much of an issue since they were planning on becoming one anyways. Hence the pod's projectors which can display a fake moon for planets that have none. Also, their pod's windows could be tinted in a way that blocks Butz waves, preventing premature transformation.

[@bigenson18]

As bad as GT was, we all have to admit. It gave us three really good things. 1. Super Saiyan 4. 2. SSJ4 Gogeta. 3. The absolute banger of an opening.

[@TheLouis6555]

I hope by that you mean Dan Dan Kokoro and not the awful dub rap.

[@Abedeuss]

@@TheLouis6555 Pretty sure he means Dan Dan Kokoro, it is a banger and I wish I could find a high quality full version of it.

[@ProjektTaku]

bro, super saiyan 4 gogeta was terrible. He was goofy and silly, nothing like the serious gogeta or vegetto we'd had seen before.

[@elfmonster1476]

@@ProjektTaku Vegetto was dicking around against Buu, for the same reason Gogeta was dicking around against Omega Shenron: To lure them into a trap. Vegetto needed to be absorbed to save everybody, and Gogeta needed the negative energy filling the atmosphere to be dispersed. In the latter's case he immediately went serious after it happened.

[@meganinten0078]

DBGT entire soundtrack is amazing. The best in the entire series

[@PirateKingBoros]

I still love how Piccolo “The Demon King” wound up staying in Hell as essentially a security guard. It’s dope.

[@Jameslawz]

Piccolo is a stoic Samurai, he's basically the battle narrator in DBZ. He speaks directly to us the audience in giving insight on the fight. He's a great strategist.

[@PirateKingBoros]

@@Jameslawz Ikr he’s awesome

[@nathanieldickens2509]

He takes the role demon king to its righteous conclusion

[@Gir-Riff-raffe]

Piccolo/kame is suzaku the scarlet Phoenix. Byakko the white…tiger fox thing..is definitely Korin. Summoning the dragon at roshis island is a direct homage to genbu the rock tortoise with a dragon tail. The only stretch is Seriyu the blue dragon being popo. Who was definitely blue in some iterations of DB. Dragonball might be Japanese but Goku Sumerian af! That’s 100% Gilgamesh. Champion of the world.

[@Gir-Riff-raffe]

Soon as I realized the parallels between goku and Gilgamesh the king piccolo saga became my favorite. Plus roshi is my favorite character for the way he redeems and purifies the two monks souls. The best moment in all of dragonball (yes all of it) is when goku kills king piccolo and screams I DID IT!!!!!

[@diehard7517]

Wow, i actually forgot that Mark already reviewed this series and was confused by the structure of this video, only to realise that this is just a compilation.

[@jderome1]

I thought it was a reupload, at first... It really could benefit from a notice ^^

[@j19aiden91]

Same here.

[@alemirdikson]

I was confused why he was doing ANOTHER review of GT, and describing it as "the first time (TotallyNotMark) watched it in 15 years. Took a bit to figure it out

[@Rex13013]

Same

[@skloiber101]

Same

[@TheHarbingerofAutism]

I remember watching the final episode of GT, and when I saw "The End" for the first time, I felt a deep sadness inside me. At the time it was truly the end of everything. No more Dragon Ball, no more Goku, no more anything. It was actually one of the first things that made me come to terms with the fact that things ended and that I needed to move on.

[@SmellyBodega]

well said. which was the whole point of the series really. it was really a love letter to dragon ball because the fans weren't ready to let go

[@Kamesuko]

Even just watching this video, I felt the same sadness I did when I was a kid. To me dragon ball ended with GT

[@TayTayMakesBeats]

...but they wouldn't let it end. They couldn't! Not when there was so much more *money* to be made!

[@SmellyBodega]

and you gobbled it up @@TayTayMakesBeats

[@FroiDautaj]

And then Super came along

[@Sanre]

Nobody mentions how Dende in the first episode asked Popo for the "First Aid Kit" when he has healing abilities

[@auditect950]

Because that's a dub-only error.

[@theviewer9363]

Lol

[@Cetra29]

Because that is not a thing.

[@Doomthinkingman]

Work smarter not harder

[@rubberballoonlover5471]

To be fair. Dende's power doesn't INSTANTLY heal you.

[@meat_rainbow]

I'm still amazed how well they nailed the final episode of GT. To spend 63 episodes fumbling to end with a 10/10 that is so incredibly emotional and respectful of the material blows my mind.

[@ReikuYin]

Tends to be what happens when you know how you want something to end but not exactly how to get there

[@asuraspath2262]

And the whole 63 episodes is still better than the train wreck that was the DBS anime.

[@jamaaldagreatest2748]

@@asuraspath2262 tbf super had its really good moments but a lot of it was bad and worse than people like to admit. And there was no depth to it outside of hype or fan service moments. If you compare the first sixty three episodes of super to gt I think gt is way better which is a shame. The only reason super didn’t get canceled was bc fans were more willing to accept the bullshit story and poor animation bc toriyamas name was attached to it thus making it a canon continuation. If gt had been given more time instead of succumbing to fan rage I think it could’ve ended up telling a better story than it got to. It never really got a chance to get its feet underneath it.

[@darkpp7920]

@@asuraspath2262 Nah man, DBS is way too overhated, not great, but damn bruh, y'all say it as if it was the worst piece of entertainment ever like Moro Saga is better than majority of GT.

[@tatersalad76]

@@darkpp7920 Goku Black Saga was also better than the majority of GT

[@RockerxxRicardo]

I wasn't the biggest fan of GT but honestly something about the ending just makes me sad. I never understood how pans side of the family and Bulma side of the family didn't even recognize each other like they fell apart somewhere.

[@SeviathTheHumanDrago]

I could understand. Without Goku around Bulma and Chi-Chi weren't ever really portrayed as "Friends" without him around to gather everyone together. Remember Goku is what brought all these people there together. They ALL had direct ties and interaction to GOKU directly. Everyone else was really just there by association. I can imagine Tien stops coming by at some point, probably to open a Dojo like in Super, Piccolo stayed dead at the end of GT so the Dark Star Dragon Balls wouldn't come back and pose a threat as well, Chiaotzu I can see following Tien like he normally does until he's of age to rule his people (I think I remember him being a Prince in official canon though I can't remember specifically.) Vegeta probably lost his will to train or even stay on earth. Ect. Yeah it's sad but it shows how life happens and even close friends can drift apart with time.

[@ifykykaffu]

@@SeviathTheHumanDrago true

[@kusakabe3264]

@@SeviathTheHumanDrago Tien broke away immediately after the Cell games. Trunks and Goten became and remained friends during the 7 years Goku was dead. That couldn't have been a coincidence, Bulma lives hours away from Chichi. Someone must have introduced them. Gohan, most likely. There's always going to be a family member somewhere down the line keeping the two families together. Pan and Trunks went on a... grand tour, together. Not to mention, there's no one on the planet stronger than these two families. they'd be alienated really easily if they dont have each other.

[@SeviathTheHumanDrago]

@@kusakabe3264 Yeah I forget that, and yes true as well, but Goten and trunks' friendship isn't their children's friendship and so on. I've watched generational friendships fall apart. Obviously by the end of GT something happened to the families in those 100 years that made it so they weren't so close anymore considering their great great grandkids or whatever didn't even recognize each other.

[@Strixyy.]

@@kusakabe3264 trunks and gotens relationship fell off in gt for the simple reason of they grew up they're still close but not nearly as close as they were when they were kids

[@ShmeengusDingus]

Baby Saga was honestly the best in GT. Gave Tuffles some form of relevancy and makes Baby a semi sympathetic character. Not enough to where you want him to win but enough to make his actions and motivations believable

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

Yeah, people might complain it takes a filler concept and adds more to it, but technically that filler was canon to the anime and it kinda takes the Saiyans to task for their warmongering.

[@richborn6700]

​@@ChangedMyNameFinally69considering GT doesn't have a manga it is fantastic as an anime sequel to Z. The tuffle Saiyan story from the anime, the use of the divine water from the Garlic Jr saga, the anime depiction of hell, it's all great expansion of in house concepts with a genuine love for Toriyamas work

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@richborn6700 Tuffles are also canon to Super, a lot of the anime filler was based on ideas Toriyama hadn't yet put into the manga

[@StrifeSoul990]

I just wish it was Gohan and that Vegeta had moments as a hero next to Goku. I know that the mind control isn't the same as Babadi but thunk of how much potential BabyGohan would have

[@BigBWolf90]

Buu's "death" hit pretty hard along with Goku going off with Shenron. Also I love how Vegeta catches on that Goku is gonna train/ascend with Shrenron Goku says that Earth is now Vegeta's to protect, you can just tell that Vegeta is touched

[@mjfilho33]

Then in "Absalon" he doesn't give a shit about it and will travel the universe looking for stronger opponents lol.

[@dibosh7405]

​@@mjfilho33Absalon is fully fanmade

[@mjfilho33]

@@dibosh7405I know 😊

[@bxyhxyh]

Ascend/Dying it is.

[@Anthony-nr5tj]

More like becoming one with Shenron.

[@MisterFister612]

imma gone be Honest Dragon Ball GT is still miles better than Boruto

[@El_Mince]

That’s not an achievement

[@benbriefs798]

It's alot better than Super as well

[@iz_pz8910]

Lmao

[@שגיאאדרי-ו4צ]

Honestly Boruto is ass in every aspect how is that possible I don't know

[@BenganGamer]

tell me you havent watched Boruto without telling me you havent watched Boruto or atleast that you have no idea whats canon and whats not lmao

[@walteroakley3623]

I like that Nuova Shenron was the 4th dragon ball. It kinda makes sense that he would be the one to befriend Goku as it was the first dragon ball he had ever seen which grandpa Gohan gave to him. It's a nice touch

[@seekingabsolution1907]

It spent decades in the company of grandpa Gohan and Goku. It makes sense it would take up their friendly and honorable nature.

[@anthonydeadman]

Holy shit I had never actually came to that conclusion at all! That actually makes so much sense.

[@Jane-oz7pp]

I remember watching it with my dad as it aired, and both of us were crying and cheering about Goku befriending Nuova for that exact reason. It was incredibly emotionally satisfying and was honestly the most consistent through-line from Dragon Ball to GT.

[@hugoferreira7992]

There are two reasons why the Four Star Dragon is good. The first is what you said: because of the ball's connection to Goku. But the second is the actual in-universe explanation: the Four Star Dragon was the only one that was created from a selfish wish, so it generated the reverse, good karma, just like the selfless wishes generated negative karma.

[@josiahkrodel4656]

Sorry but if this guy thinks gt was bad and boring and is sponsored by genshin impact. That invalidates those opinions outright. All I'm sayin

[@finlaymurphy8500]

I really hate that Pan never even tried to, you know, learn super saiyan? The form that her entire family and their friends are intimately familiar with and her Grandfather was the first one for a thousand years? They never even address that she couldn't or something, she just seemingly doesn't try to

[@jayreid2513]

I know battle of gods didn't exist yet, but that version of Pan technically had her go super Saiyan as a fetus, making the fact that she can't in GT even more weird

[@ricardocantoral7672]

I wish Pan was less annoying.

[@nickcrawford2456]

I'm not sure if I'm mis-remembering this, so take it with a grain of salt. But, I recall hearing that the reason Pan never explored Super Saiyan was because, at the same, the design team that worked on DBGT didn't know how to conceptualize a female Super Saiyan, as every heavily-featured Saiyan warrior up to that point had been male. So, they just decided that she'll never go Super Saiyan. And yes, the appearance of Kefla and Kale in Dragonball Super years later makes this an even dumber point.

[@diegoantoniofrias9309]

​@@nickcrawford2456We don't even need to go that far, in DB Heroes we have Note, a Female Saiyan who looks nearly identical to Pan and she has all Super Saiyan Transformations

[@recycledwaste8737]

​@@nickcrawford2456 The idea that they couldn't figure out how to draw a blonde female saiyan is hilariously dumb.

[@Mister_Clean]

I personally really liked the idea of Bulma being possessed and totally screwing everybody over. She's pretty much the smartest scientist in the whole universe. It makes sense that she would quickly be able to make a weapon able to destroy the Z fighters.

[@SinHurr]

Gero: Behold! Androids! Possessed Bulma: Rookie shit

[@millasboo]

Exactly as we know she’s just as if not smarter than her dad and in minutes had designed high tech stuff

[@jamesjohnston5749]

The idea? Sure, implementation is another matter though

[@gobl_]

@@jamesjohnston5749 yep that basically summarizes all of gt lol

[@Zackapo]

Goku defeated, looking at the sky and seeing the Earth as a substitute for the Moon is, together with the ending, the most touching message within GT. It serves its purpose poetically as a saiyan who has come to cherish and love the planet that housed his life and his role as a defender of Earth.

[@debater452]

How does that work because that sounds really contrived

[@elgusaniiiodeljuego6823]

It’s kinda cheap but nowhere near as chap as a baby having superpowers and flying up to suborbital height 🤦‍♂️

[@yocapo32]

@@debater452 I mean, if we take Blutz Waves as being the reflected light from the sun coming off the moon, that's something all planets can technically do. Hell, a planet the size of Earth would reflect a lot more light than the Moon would, so Goku going Super Donkey Kong when looking at the Earth kind of makes sense.

[@mjfilho33]

​@@yocapo32Super Donkey Kong 🤣

[@El_Mince]

@@yocapo32Super Saiyan Konkey Dong

[@corruptangel6793]

I actually really love the idea of the dragon balls shattering from excessive use to give rise to Cataclysm Dragons who are based on previous wishes. That should have been ALL of GT. I feel like there is incredible potential there to be explored had they planned out and executed it properly. What a shame.

[@forza8719]

Totally agree. Although I think the baby saga could’ve stayed if implemented a little better.

[@jamesjohnston5749]

I think it's pretty interesting conceptually but I don't really like the explanation of them becoming corrupted with negative energy from the overuse. Maybe if they'd frequently been used trivially or selfishly over the course of the series, but pretty much every time we see them gathered it's to save lives - literally billions of them ultimately. The only two exceptions I can think of are Krillin removing the bomb from the Androids, which still isn't trivial or selfish, and Oolong's original panty wish (which was to interrupt Pilaf's wish).

[@sikisikiamimis]

@@jamesjohnston5749 Well they're playing God by reviving people that should have stayed dead, it's kind of wrong

[@jamesjohnston5749]

@@sikisikiamimis Why should they have stayed dead? It's not like they're reviving people dying of old age or cancer or some shit, everyone they revive is the victim of some psychopathic monster lol building androids to murder people is playing god if anything Either way "playing god" isn't objectively immoral regardless, you could argue all sorts of medical advancements are playing god but it's not immoral to give somebody antibiotics. Like I said I'm fine with the general concept but the fact that it's the result of being "corrupted" by "negative" energy when none of their wishes are negative is just kind of a weird explanation

[@demonicthan742]

@@jamesjohnston5749 I think it could work a lot better nowadays since we know Bulma tends to use them for cosmetic only reasons

[@truebacca221]

He wasn't just a Mangaka but one who created and inspired worlds beyond our imagination. Rest In Peace Akira Toriyama, hopefully towards another great adventure

[@HittingBandy]

Honestly I really wished Super 17 was handled a lot more carefully, with the idea that og 17 was still a good guy just mind controlled, and the gang needing to find a way to release 17 from Gero's grasp would have been really cool. They could have also kept the Super 17 thing, with og 17 absorbing clone 17, but the gang still being able to save 17 in the end.

[@RacingSnails64]

Exactly. I want to see Super redo the GT ideas like Baby, Super 17, and the Shadow Dragons. Super 17 would hit so much harder now that they've reintroduced 17 as a ranger. I hate how GT killed him off. Maybe they could finally show his family to help him snap out of the mind control!!

[@botandtrollhunter6694]

The entire premise of the super 17 arc was horrible from the start. They reintroduce Super 17 just to regress his character, turn him into a bad guy again, and then kill him off. Out of all the ideas in GT, I really hope this is the one that they never bring to the canon storyline. It would be nice if they made the shadow dragons canon instead.

[@stevemclovin1566]

I think there's a lot of potential in that. There's a good angle that could have been done with a 17 that got brought back but completely remembers what he did to his sister and her family. 17 deals with the fact he was a tool for gero and the fall and his guilt, 18 knows he was and wants to forgive him like Krillin would but the trauma of losing Krillin in such a horrible way leaves her resentful and somewhat fearful. She even treats Krillin and marron differently because of the way he died.

[@just_an_internet_explorer8038]

How can you handle an idea like that carefully? The idea itself is so stupid that they might as well have got a 12 year old to come up with a arc

[@terrillwilliams1515]

Dude they can just rely on the dragon balls and 17 was too far gone to be able to not be controlled. He was way too powerful as well. It goes to show the pure strength and might of the Geniuses of the Red Ribbon Army and the Machine mutant army. Humans and Tuffles.

[@SABLy-Saul]

I love the premise of the dragon arcs. Admitting that the Dragon Balls were over used and giving a consequence to that was a great idea imo. Having Goku befriend the 4 star dragon to reflect the family history with the ball was also a good move. Execution could've been better.

[@luis-sophus-8227]

Yeah imagine if the consequences were made more clear, like the dragons affecting the entire universe and forcing all the warriors participate in the fight

[@DarthDread-oh2ne]

1:10:30

[@Luis-rp2lm]

There were no consequences though. Just a guy they beat up

[@travisisgood]

Even in GT we see Vegeta grow as a character. Vegeta suggesting fusion to Goku legit got me hyped as a kid because that meant setting aside his pride for the sake of the planet he had grown to love. Too bad that moment was preceded by some questionable arcs, like the nonce arc.

[@No-OneSpecial000]

that growth was throughout z and gt vegeta is the product of that growth from z

[@razztastic]

@@No-OneSpecial000 you basically just said what he said

[@Jimenez69]

I stated to yell my ass of cuz the Nonce was Checking Pan's flat chest and blushing Bruh the girl is 10 tf are you doing????

[@kris6038]

Also too bad that Super has basically discarded all this growth of his and is ONLY NOW, NEARLY TEN YEARS INTO ITS RUN starting to show that Vegeta can actually grow and change.

[@sejeita]

​@@kris6038 Bro Vegeta has grown as a character in super more than any other

[@darkrai455]

Timestamps For those who might need it or just wanna know Mark's thoughts on a specific arc. THE BLACK STAR DRAGON BALLS (Blackstar Ball Arc): 1:06 THE BOSS BABY (Baby Arc): 17:17 17 + 17= 17 (Super 17 Arc): 35:16 SAVE BIGGER GREEN! (Shadow Dragons Arc): 50:45

[@Fernando-ek8jp]

The fight with S17 is also really annoying because it makes Goku look like a complete idiot. Since all the way back in OG Dragon Ball, Goku had been shown as a crafty, intuitive and resourceful fighter. From stealing Roshi's sunglasses to deal with the solar flare in a tournament, to launching a Kamehameha with his feet against Piccolo, to being able to push back against Frieza before he was able to go super saiyan through the inventive use of different techniques.

[@gins6295]

Intuitive techniques, like bitting Freeza's tail :D

[@Fernando-ek8jp]

@@gins6295 Hey, it worked

[@sjneow]

As someone who started with the original Dragon Ball manga, I love that GT’s first arc is about finding the dragon balls and the goofy encounter they had along the way. The ever more powerful villain formula in Z has been getting stale for a while now in Z

[@HSC19846]

Absolutely true! Agreer as a fan who started with DB manga from the early 90s. (And DBZ too by 1995)

[@jamesjohnston5749]

I like that aspect of it on paper but at the end of the day I just find the episodes themselves really bad lol

[@SeanLaMontagne]

In a vacuum that sounds great. But you'd have to ignore everything that happened in Z for it work. And it comes across that way, like the writers wanted to return to what it was like during the original Dragon Ball, but unfortunately you can't undo 20 years of writing. If they want to tell that story in the world of Dragon Ball again, they can't do it by pretending they didn't raise the power ceiling to the Moon. For goodness sake, they literally use the Dragon Balls to make Goku a child again, despite him still being in his 60s and having all the experience and knowledge of adulthood. They wanted to write a childhood experience, but refused to let go of Goku. And at the end of the day that's why the show failed, they wanted to pretend Goku wasn't basically a God fighting other gods, and instead gave us a very underdeveloped story that falls apart when you think about it too much

[@SeanLaMontagne]

​@Druid of Scosglen absolutely, you can't just draw an adult as a child and get the same experience of a children going on an adventure together. That's just a really short adult

[@unknownvariable9239]

While SSJ4 doesn’t have any buildup to it, I do enjoy the fact it’s related to the Saiyan lore and the entire giant ape aspect of the race. Something that basically feels forgotten in Super.

[@kiryuthedragonwarrior2746]

But the Giant Ape never left it evolved with the Saiyans through Super Saiyans So SSJ 4 doenst make sense

[@thawerty8273]

@@kiryuthedragonwarrior2746 Super Saiyan 4 is just what they call the form, it is natural evolution that is in line with the very first transformation Oozaru

[@kiryuthedragonwarrior2746]

@@thawerty8273 .. But that breaks the whole point of SSJ to evolve past those Negative Saiyan roots

[@thawerty8273]

@@kiryuthedragonwarrior2746 that's why the transformation and how it is obtained is different, it accepts the past, the roots and deviates from then, not a form to bring destruction like it was

[@kiryuthedragonwarrior2746]

@@thawerty8273 but SSJ did that The Oozaru (thx btw couldn't spell it) evolved with Super Saiyan SSJ 4 means nothing

[@nataliemolnar9280]

I never quite forgave this show for breaking kid-me’s heart and never showing us a female super saiyan. I was so sure Pan would get the chance that I tuned in for every episode. I was a pretty crushed little girl at the end of it.

[@Kazanov1936]

Who knows, maybe we will get Super saiyan Pan during the next 20 years of Super

[@Egonzal316]

I hope Pan never returns, she was awful

[@glubiglubstar3318]

​@@Egonzal316 shes in super but way less anoying

[@devastatheseeker9967]

I think that the black star balls would have been great if instead of being a separate entity they could have been the original balls after being abused. You know, like how bulma keeps her youth through wishing on them all the time. Give them a reason for existing rather than just being a thing.

[@Eis_Cold]

But people abusing the dragon balls is the entire thing with the shadow dragons

[@Lightking813]

literally this would make so much sense

[@theanimerapper6351]

They did this concept though lol

[@ProjektTaku]

@@theanimerapper6351 but later and crappy.

[@theanimerapper6351]

@@ProjektTaku most of it was crappy anyways 😂

[@sloesty]

The ending of gt is such a tear jerker. And there's a movie staring the new Goku, which is absolutely beautiful.

[@mariobadia4553]

Not really when in that ending you see yamcha and tien who don't even f****** say anything throughout the entire series

[@anthonydeadman]

@@mariobadia4553 Well let's face it by Z, they were slowly fading away into irrelevance. At the time, I was just thankful to see them at all.

[@oniwolfin9589]

@@anthonydeadman still doesn't justify it, dragon ball was just as much about its slice of life stories as it was about fighting.

[@anthonydeadman]

@@oniwolfin9589 Yeah but you gotta understand at the time (at least when GT came around in the states) only the diehards and those who bothered to give the show a chance when it showed up on Toonami ever cared about Dragon Ball. Unlike the OG, Z and GT (as well as Super) were all about transformations, high speed fighting, Ki blast, etc. That stuff is what caught most kids's attention spans at the time. Doesn't make it right that those from the original show were forgotten outside of like...Bulma and Krillin I guess, but who do you even know actually even cared about Yamcha back then? Not now, BACK THEN.

[@oniwolfin9589]

@@anthonydeadman Me and my group, guess we were just wildly ahead of our time, I even have a friend who created fan comics detailing "what if" Yamcha stories. Don't get me wrong we love Goku and Vegeta out here in the streets, but its like asking someone to enjoy one punch man, but you cut out every side character, right after they are introduced.

[@astrotrain3332]

1:12:38 woah i can't believe Vegeta's ancestor travelled forward in time just to battle Goku's descendant. So cool.

[@casabaixo]

Seto Kaiba's way to be

[@SuperShadowKinTwitch]

I'm one of the few people who loved the first season of GT. I loved the idea of going out into the galaxy and exploring and expanding the literal universe in the show. Also love the darker tone.

[@Gminakawa]

But... that's exactly the point. The idea is great the execution is terrible

[@SuperShadowKinTwitch]

@@Gminakawa except that I liked the execution too.

[@Gminakawa]

@@SuperShadowKinTwitch good for you then

[@Fafafafafafaababababa]

@@Gminakawa 🐑 Just saying the same things over and over and over again with no original thought of your own. For the 1000000th time we get it.

[@Gminakawa]

@@Fafafafafafaababababa I don't remember saying this before

[@PureBrawler]

I LOVED the concept of the shadow dragon balls. Consequences for them "playing god" so many times. It was just executed horribly, with only the final 3 dragons being of any worth.

[@pn2294]

Nah, the last three Dragons were the most bland

[@thelegendarymarioman8461]

@@pn2294 disagree

[@rigistroni]

Man, the shadow dragons would've been a great opportunity to give other characters time to shine. Instead of a flashback and a machine giving Vegeta Super Saiyan 4, have him fight one of the shadow dragons and have Bulma help him unlock Super Saiyan 4 in that fight. Why not have a dragon use some underhanded tactics to incapacitate Goku, making Pan have to step up and win the fight? If she's not strong enough maybe have her hatch a plan that gives Goku the upper hand. Stuff like that. Lots of missed potential with the shadow dragons I think

[@elgusaniiiodeljuego6823]

DB being DB since ever. It’s all about Goku…

[@rigistroni]

@@elgusaniiiodeljuego6823 yes but they do give side characters like Piccolo Vegeta or Gohan time to shine. The tournament arcs in classic dragon ball are a perfect example. Goku is the main character, he doesn't have to be the only character.

[@Junebug89]

@@elgusaniiiodeljuego6823 Supporting characters were treated far better in Z than in GT. In the Cell saga for example: Gohan, Vegeta, Piccolo and Trunks all have starring roles to play. Characters like Bulma, Tien, Krillin and Android 16 all feel like they matter to the story. And yeah, Z is absolutely a show that left some characters in the dust in a way that kinda sucks. But it has nothing on what GT did.

[@Mr.777uk]

Having goku be not there or incapacitated is literally just reusing early dbz concepts it gets very old quickly

[@rigistroni]

@@Mr.777uk oh because gt NEVER reuses old concepts. It's not like the arc right before this was just an old villain with a power up or anything Also I was imagining the characters split up and the various episodes happen at the same time. Which would not be that concept reused. Aside from a Dragon getting the upper hand on Goku, which would just be actually giving pan a god damn character arc. Not what DB usually does where Goku is incapacitated and they just stall until he gets better

[@thewittywhygaming6487]

This series embodies the words, "Good ideas, bad execution"

[@KeepRockingTheDragon]

now apply that to super

[@sontho6995]

@@KeepRockingTheDragon Super is decent to good ideas, decent execution.

[@botandtrollhunter6694]

Honestly I think DBGT is "Bad ideas, horrible execution". The only good ideas GT had was Super saiyan 4 and the shadow dragons. Everything else was a bad idea. Super 17, the entire blackstar dragon ball arc, all the forgettable mini villains were all bad ideas.

[@juanmjx]

@@botandtrollhunter6694 And Baby but, yeah that's it. A villain made by the Tuffles that got wiped out on Planet Vegeta and making a plotline out of that short flashback is great

[@ghosthood2931]

GOOD IDEAS? I can't see it.

[@Atomsmasher10ROBLOX]

One of the hardest hitting lines ever in the franchise was when Goku said "Bulla, your dad would never call me 'Goku.'"

[@clintbeastwood5116]

SSJ 4 is still my favorite transformation, to this day, but the entire run was plagued by bizarre choices and missed opportunities.

[@acycle2124]

At the part when Goku holds back Shenron's full power ball in his base form he's SUPPOSED to not be able to take it Thats why Vegeta thinks he's dead for a moment and tells everyone to run His later 'invilnerable comeback' is theorized to symbolize "ascension in daylight", which is a part of eastern mythos, especially stories like Journey to the West that inspired this series

[@KazumiKiguma]

Personally I liked the idea of the shadow dragons but think it was just poorly done. Each dragon's personality and powers are basically associated with the wish that brought them into being. The female one having transformation powers matches perfectly with the fact that the person who made the wish was Oolong, a shapeshifter, and the 4 star dragon's wish was the one that gave Demon King Piccolo back his youth, an entirely selfish wish and thus making Nuova the least evil of them all. Meanwhile, arguably one of the biggest wishes, the revival of everyone Frieza and his men killed on Namek, is what created Syn (they were all called Shenron but had their own names too), making him the strongest, and being associated with Frieza, also the most evil.

[@victorhale]

One thing i like about the final arc is the potential it has to be retold. Awhile back I checked out Masako X’s what if scenarios and while watching his raditz one, i liked how he touched on super’s link to the dragon balls and how the dragons could be incorporated with super in mind despite them not seemingly being linked.

[@shecklesmack9563]

My biggest issue is how unambitious this series was. There was a time skip but nothing of consequence happened in those years so everyone is old and rusty. All the main fighters aside from Goku are basically Buu arc Gohan (Goten is practically indistinguishable from Gohan at this point). Even Vegeta seems nerfed and needed help to advance to SSJ4. Pan didn’t even get Super Saiyan. This is Dragon Ball… there’s so much crazy ambitious shit they could’ve done and they kept it so safe. It’s crazy how ill-conceived the execution was.

[@Z3RO5286]

Super is better than gt. Even though both have there flaws. Kinda glad gt isn't really canon. Who knows maybe they can make it connected to super in a way where that timeline meets with the super timeline.

[@zhen86]

Pan didn’t even get Super Saiyan is good. she has only 1/4 of the blood.

[@MamulengoBR]

​@@zhen86but her grandson which is 1/16 Saiyan can turn Super Saiyan

[@WildWombats]

@@Z3RO5286 I disagree personally. GT Had more soul in it than an inkling of Super until Super got to the tournament arc, 100 episodes in. Not saying GT is a masterpiece, just saying Super is just that lackluster. Even when they try to make an impactful moment, it falls flat because it feels so... childish if that makes sense. Super feels like its audience was dumbed down and made for children. Which, in many ways, is not wrong, because the channel it aired on was restricted from even showing blood and had to follow many rules that child cartoons have to follow. GT had much more cool things come out of it. Super only had Ultra Instinct, Beerus and Whis really until the tournament arc which revealed new characters and universes, which again, was over 100 episodes in. I can't conceivably say those 30 episodes makes up for the lackluster choices made before, and terrible animation issues. GT had characters not really established on very strongly, even a fan favorite with Trunks. They utilized Trunks fairly decently, it was typically Pan who got the short end of the stick. Baby Vegeta to me was a memorable villain. The guy who took over a whole planet as well and was the planet itself, that was a cool villain with a cool concept. And of course, the most widely accepted as best part of GT with Omega Shenron. I mean, how could you not love that concept that over-usage of the dragon balls has created negative energy? This, to me, is the best thing that's came out of GT and I wish that this would be followed upon more. It makes them double think about using the Dragon Balls for wishes, and maybe be more cautious about it in the future. Yeah, we can always think of ways to make things better. I can say the same for Z. But I don't think GT was atrocious, nor do I think it was worse than Super. I do think of DB, DBZ, and DBGT, that GT is the weakest link, but if Super is included then Super is the weakest link to me.

[@jdrmanmusiqking]

​@@Z3RO5286GT is SIGNIFICANTLY better that Super. DBS and She-Hulk Attorney at Law are the two worst pieces of fiction ever created

[@zackofpersia5086]

I remember watching the ending and feeling something like complete satisfaction, growth and hope. The ending of GT makes the whole thing worth it, even pan not being likeable in the beginning makes sense because she's a naïve teenager just like Goku was in his childhood. Always thinking she can enter any situation. Help even if she's far weaker than the enemy infront of her. In many ways she's like a young Goku. But when she's a grandma she's super lovable actually ebing like an older, kinder and wiser Goku haha. you see a lot more of old pans character in the ancestor movie.

[@just_an_internet_explorer8038]

👏

[@Iwillone]

I really wished they hadn't wasted the opportunity to make her the first female Super Saiyan though.

[@SageOfLimitlessHands]

@@Iwillone Thought she was too human to transform

[@yummynubs3646]

@@SageOfLimitlessHands say what you want about it but technically in heroes I'm pretty sure pan goes super sayian and there are characters who have way less sayian in them then her that transform

[@SageOfLimitlessHands]

@@yummynubs3646 But heroes isnt even remotely canon. While GT is an offical part of the universe.

[@Arthas30000]

The baby arc was super fun. Loved it 😁 Same with the evil dragons arc. It was just super fun to see the 7 evil dragons

[@StevenJones851]

They had cool stuff

[@masterkent1]

baby felt the most threatening tbh. He even made goku be like "yup thats it, i am actually going to die like this" And i loved the hopelessness of the situation when pan, satan and mr buu were the only protectors left

[@Falangista2008]

Baby and the Tsfruians is actually supposed to be the DB representation of Putin and the Russians

[@StevenJones851]

@@Falangista2008 well that's cool

[@xollow_]

​@@Falangista2008 wdym?

[@Hitchswitch111]

I think goku actually dies trying to deflect shenron’s blast as after that every one says he has a different presence, and they keep asking “goku, are you…?” Implying that goku probably died then. As that was the deal goku probably made with the dragon balls to save earth.

[@sullgass]

I actually loved the Shadow Dragon arc as a kid. I see its flaws now as an adult, but I still really enjoyed Nuova and Eis Shenron, and was disappointed you didn't have anything to say about Nuova. While its never explicitly stated, I really liked the idea that as the overuse of the Dragon Balls built up a lot of negative energy that eventually manifested and started causing trouble for the heroes, the Four Star Ball spent so much time in close proximity to Granpa Gohan, Goku and Gohan that some of their positive energy rubbed off on him, and the result was a Shadow Dragon that still wanted to fight Goku but wasn't evil like the rest. One other side note, I actually thought SSJ4 Gogeta was great. While this technically precedes Super and so is the first instance of a higher echelon of Super Saiyan causing the fusion to burn out faster, it still makes sense conceptually. As for SSJ4 Gogeta toying with Omega for 8-9 minutes. That was to provoke him to launch his negative karma ball, so he could convert the energy into positive. You can criticize the randomness of SSJ4 Gogeta being able to do that, but notice once he does, he immediately precedes to eliminate Shenron with a Big-Bang Kamehameha. There were still elements of the final fight that bugged me, like Omega's regeneration after Goku's Dragon Fist, since we never saw Rage do that, but the SSJ4 Gogeta stuff was great IMO and the Spirit Bomb was a good way to conclude the fight.

[@BassGosple]

Wait a second. That part were they offered trunks as a bride to the monster (aside from being from mythology) is just the Oolong arc from Dragon Ball

[@TheLadyGrey]

They even acknowledged it lol. Pan tried to make Goku the bride and he went ‘I tried this before! It didn’t work!’

[@GlytchGames]

@@TheLadyGrey yup! Also the thing about the catfish demon is based on real Japanese folklore. (Mark says the catfish guy not causing the earthquakes didn’t make sense, that’s why I’m explaining lol) There was a Yokai that looked like a catfish that was thought to cause earthquakes. As it turns out, these catfish were actually just sensing the earths electrical impulses that caused them to freak out hours before earthquakes occurred. So him showing up with good enough timing made it so everyone thought he was actually making them happen.

[@patrickg5648]

It’s so nice hearing someone discuss the problems many people like myself have with the show, while also highlighting its strengths and giving it credit where it’s due. Really solid review, it feels like you put a lot of care into this one every step of the way!

[@coldeed]

One thing I'll say is funny, complaining about stupid resolutions, and new shit that is hyper convenient is just the main issue with the entire series. At least from Frieza and onward. I don't disagree that that's part of this show, but how do you like Dragonball at all if you have no tolerance for that lol.

[@patrickg5648]

@@coldeed I disagree, I really don’t think they started coming up with asspull conveniences until Buu, and even then it was never as bad as GT

[@coldeed]

@@patrickg5648 "almost dying make me stronger cuz alien" Is literally an ass pull that makes everyone look really stupid when they say that Dragon Ball z is about hard work. OG Dragonball was about hard work. The only part of z that was still about her work was pretty much up to Vegeta. After that it's ready to see them go 5 episodes without new plot convenient shit happening constantly, or even just borderline dumb decision making if I'm being completely generous.

[@patrickg5648]

@@coldeed everything you say is pretty much true. But I like it anyway so lol

[@coldeed]

@@patrickg5648 so do I lol. I'll be honest, it's just weird how a lot of people try to point out something about the series that's just not really true to try and make it look good when it's already got a good following. I like JoJo's too, but the people that act like it's written to be super-smart or something are actually insane. This is the show where the main character might pull a Tommy gun out behind his back like bugs bunny. It doesn't have to be super-smart it's just really fun and I like it.

[@greetings3071]

We're gonna ignore how Pan has more wins in this anime than both Vegeta and Uub? The only “wins" Vegeta got was when he was controlled by Baby

[@kaioken2817]

Two things i hate the most about GT 1. They made trunks super weak, mf almost died by a car accident 2. SSJ4 is supposed to be the strongest but mf got wounded by touching a broken glass

[@GlytchGames]

To be fair, Super Saiyan Blue Goku was nearly killed by the average laser blaster

[@Gokulosestoavirus]

Goku not giving a care about mercy is a wonderful approach to the character. Goku did not take crap. And he will kill you if you are that much of a threat. It was nice to get that serious side.

[@ProjektTaku]

but goku is merciful and kind tho. You can make him serious without making him edgy, like with cell.

[@thewitness257]

@@ProjektTaku ssj4 literally changed him, like old super Saiyan namek Goku on steroids

[@michaermyels4490]

I’ve always loved when they were willing to cross that line with Goku. I’ve always loved ss3 and ss4 because of this.

[@sammy6805]

@@thewitness257 unfortunately for you ssj Goku STILL spared freiza so him not caring about mercy still seems weird but it's whatever

[@thewitness257]

@@sammy6805 I said on steroids

[@SailorYue]

Ok for the black star dragon balls, the nameless namekian made them when he arrived on earth, before kami and piccolo split apart. When they split, the bsdb turned inert. When piccolo and kami reunited it reactivated the dragon balls.

[@TheOneWhoReportsForDuty]

Vegeta having a mustache is awesome and I wish that we had more of it.

[@thefilmwatcher1302]

To clear up the existence of the Black Star Dragon Balls: It’s explained in the Japanese sub that they were created by Katas’ son (the Nameless Namekian) before he split into Kami and King Piccolo. When Kami purged the evil from his heart and became two beings, the BSDBs turned to stone and were stored away. When Piccolo fused with Kami in the Cell Saga, they came back. Seriously, the dub makes GT seem so different that I’m convinced it’s the only reason it’s as hated as it is. (Edit: there would’ve been a way for both Katas’ son and Kami to get off Earth and find the BSDBs, because Katas’ son had a Namekian spaceship on the Lookout.)

[@jamesjohnston5749]

No, it would definitely still be hated regardless, that sort of thing doesn't really touch what most people's main complaints are with the show. Although the BSDB background is definitely fine and it's a bizarre thing to leave out lol

[@Obviousinnuendo]

im glad you pointed this out because I always thought to myself *why tf does piccolo choose to stay and die with the earth as if he was the protector? when he re-fused he wasn't the guardian of earth anymore. nor were the dragonballs even made by him now* but yeah i didn't realize the black star balls were a different set from before kami split and my brain just combined the shadow dragons with the black star balls

[@pyramidion5911]

Maybe thats why I liked it so much and others didn't, both times I watched the series it was subs.

[@pyramidion5911]

​@@jamesjohnston5749people in the states hated on GT from the beginning though. It was hard to get a hold of as a kid and whenever I tried to talk about it at school people who hadnt even watched it would say it sucks. I think the jealousy of not being able to see it turned into resentment for the series.

[@mjfilho33]

BDSMs? What?

[@jinmori8255]

Simply bad for many inconsistencies that I will mention: Trunks claims that android 17 has the same KI as android 18, but in Dragon Ball Z it was stated that androids do not have KI.19 and that they have unlimited energy. During the Cell saga, it was emphasized on several occasions that the fusion of Piccolo and Kamisama would put an end to the existence of what he had created, which was demonstrated when, upon reunification, it was necessary to take Dende to Earth to be his successor and Create new spheres. This was ignored by the creators of this series since although Kamisama had ceased to exist many years ago, the final spheres were still intact. Pilaf and his gang show a lot more aging pronounced than what corresponds to his age according to the official chronology. Vegeta recognizes the ki of the tsufurujins even though he was born long after that race's extermination and only learned to sense the ki of others as an adult. Bra, the daughter of Vegeta and Bulma, is born a year after Goku's granddaughter Pan according to the original saga and the official chronology, however in this series she is shown as a teenager several years older than Pan and even older than Marron, Krillin's daughter, who is older than both of them. Originally after making a wish, the Dragon Balls were petrified for a year, so it was necessary to wait this time for the radar to detect them and be able to search for them. In this series the spheres remained in force despite having been used. Goku, Vegeta and Majin Buu's combination of power was so intense that Rō Kaiō Shin authorized them to fight on his planet since other worlds will not resist such power; However, the fight against the One Star Dragon involved showed much greater powers, but these did not damage more than the surface of the Earth. According to Toriyama himself, Pan would not be able to reach the Super Saiyan transformation since, being Goku's granddaughter, her blood was too diluted; However, in the epilogue of this saga, descendants of Goku and Vegeta appear, who despite being more than six generations apart from the originals, can transform even more easily than pure Saiyans. ​ In this series Krillin shows much more advanced aging than Yamcha, Tenshinhan or Bulma despite being younger than them. And the errors go on and on, it's like the same thing that happened with evolution, they hire any idiot who has never seen dragon ball and if they defend this anime it's only out of nostalgia

[@iorisan3307]

''if they defend this anime it's only out of nostalgia'' Facts 😂😂😂

[@dbzenthusiast8152]

Same applies for super. They hire idiots who have never watched dragonball to write the series, which is why they are so much inconsistencies from the potara retcon to gokus origin.

[@ligerade3536]

@@dbzenthusiast8152 lol dbgt fans once again proving that they can't survive without bringing up Super in a conversation that has nothing to do with Super.

[@dbzenthusiast8152]

@@ligerade3536 if you’re gonna trash one anime, why not look at another’s flaws. And second, I’m not much of a fan of GT either. I understand it has flaws, and I know it’s not a true sequel to dbz, but dbs fails at being that, and GT never had as much inconsistencies as super

[@darwinism8181]

@@dbzenthusiast8152 You're right, if someone discusses JoJo it is completely appropriate to Kramer in and start shouting about your pissbaby grudge against, say, Naruto. That is definitely the sign of a well balanced individual.

[@KomeiiTheStampede]

I can't watch the end of GT without crying...Gets me every time.

[@VinceMouse]

"So, Vegeta, feel guilty? At all?" 'No.' *blast*

[@jcfrostycheesebugga8681]

I will admit it isnt as good as the original run but i won't shit on it saying its awful, SSJ4 was amazing, Ending was great some good fights but id say its a 6 out of 10

[@Hamb0-r3aL]

Wait you would shit on it? 🤨

[@constantdreams7918]

W W W I give it the same rating.

[@logan7805]

Meh, I think its pretty awful. It was more or less terrible besides the Baby arc. Most people just like it because of nostalgia or because of ssj4, but ssj4 doesnt save the whole series.

[@CornerstoneArts22]

@@logan7805 “It can’t be bad it gave us SS4” is pretty much every GT defenders go to-line.

[@logan7805]

@@CornerstoneArts22 Facts. It also really didn't add much to dragon ball in terms of lore or new things. It mostly just built upon old things, which is technically good, but it got boring FAST because there wasn't much new things to see.

[@PotsDame]

The best thing about GT is Sorae as an opening song. In Germany, 12 episodes were completely edited.

[@kadazee]

Broo German version of GT was my childhood

[@BelaLugosisBat]

sorae war wirklich ein banger, ja

[@PotsDame]

@@BelaLugosisBat höre ich bestimmt 1 mal wöchentlich.

[@PotsDame]

@@kadazee I just looked at Wikipedia. 13 episodes were simply completely missing. The complete Shadow dragon arc is missing

[@dexterdugarjr.3217]

In the US, they just skipped straight so episode 17 (I think). They waited until after GT finished to air the first 16 as "Lost Episodes"

[@Dusxio]

In a way, I've always thought the ending of GT was Goku transcending mortal form, into a more divine one. I know it doesn't quite fit in with the new mythos and cosmology Super gives us, but it's just what I always thought. Especially with him just appearing almost as an illusion at the end, much like Kami and Supreme have done occasionally.

[@catkaboodle]

Super and GT are in different canons, so you are probably correct after all. The universe works differently in both.

[@BeatEngine-qr7if]

The creator of GT said this is what happened.

[@daethalion1725]

I'm just gonna throw this out there, the Para Para Dance was the single greatest thing to come out of this series, no contest. That scene was the one bit of the whole series that actually broke my discontent and made me laugh out loud, so I have to give it a nod.

[@Anthony-nr5tj]

same absolutely loved it and it fits the Dragonball series to a t

[@draganarto13]

Honestly the allusions to the journey to the west were amazing. That is what GT was essentially. I hope that when Super hits the GT timeline we get a whole GT remake. It would be awesome. Especially if they bring back SS4 as an alternative way to get stronger for other characters.

[@richmedina3852]

Or a combo of UI & SS4 as the ultimate form.

[@smokagaming]

@@richmedina3852 Honestly would be sick

[@Z3RO5286]

Gt is it's own alternative reality where Beerus never woke up or Frieza never got resurrected. Where Saiyan god and blue never were never discovered.

[@demi-femme4821]

I think it'd be funny if SSJ4 came back and then Goku combined it with UI to have a white SSJ4 form as a reference to the fake Dragon Ball AF leak.

[@freezasama5802]

Well we have dragon ball Diama which seems like a gt reboot and probably will be canon with super since Toriyama is 100% involved

[@leonardomolines9338]

I'm from Brazil and Dragonball GT was big as Z back in the time 😂 Still can sing all the openings

[@banjo9158]

Seu sorriso é tão resplandecente

[@idkman272]

Que deixou meu coração alegre

[@guanglaikangyi6054]

Me dê a mão!

[@wesleybatista2693]

Pra fugir dessa terrível escuridão!

[@MedK001]

Desde o dia em que eu te reecontrei

[@SuperSayianWarrior]

I'd disagree with the Dragon's not having motivations for being Evil. At least the English Dub explains that each wish had caused a build-up of negative energy that Needed time to filter out. Because normally it would take years to find all 7 they had time to filter out that energy, but Bulma made it basically a yearly occurrence with her Dragon Radar. It also plays into Nuova Shrenron's fairer nature since Nuova was born from King Piccolo's wish of youth, the most selfish wish made from the Dragon Balls. It ended up creating the least amount of negative energy where as Eis depending on the media used is either Bulma's wish to revive everyone King Piccolo killed, or erasing Majin Buu from everyone's Memories. In Order of number of Stars: Syn/Omega was the wish to restore the lives of everyone killed by Frieza and his men. Haze was only 1 life being Bora's from the OG run Eis I explained earlier Nuova is the same Rage was the wish made to revive Goku after his battle with Radditz which while may make him like Haze, it's the intent behind the wishes that corresponds to the negative energy and by wishing Back Goku, he saved thousands of lives from Vegeta and Nappa. Oceanus was made from Oolong's wish which again, while selfish in satiating Oolong's perverse nature, was made with good intentions to stop Pilaf from wishing for World Domination Natureon was made from the wish to restore everyone who was killed by Majon Vegeta as you stated, which considering that was a very dark time in terms of storytelling for Dragon Ball as an IP, makes sense as to his personality. Each Shadow Dragon's design/powers also plays into each wish that spawned them in some way

[@GlytchGames]

7:34 I know I’m late to the game but this makes perfect sense. There was a legend in Japanese folk lore that a type of Catfish demon was the cause of earth quakes. What we know about catfish now tells us that they don’t cause them, but they can sense them. They sense them through earths electrical impulses that happen up to HOURS before an earthquake occurs, so he could’ve planned ahead to time it with the time of the earthquake.

[@costby1105]

Was going to post this but Zoonamu is based off the Namazu. I wouldn't be suprised that Zoonamu's ability to predict earthquakes was reference to Catfish's ability to do so. The story also references Yamato no Orochi in that before being defeating was gotten really inebriated. The shadows dragons may also take influence from Yamato no Orochi as well.

[@WildStudios65150]

I agree with you Mark on how Vegeta was the one who suggested he and Goku fuse instead of the other way around and how it shows character growth.

[@MicahBuzanANIMATION]

GT is one of those nightmares that you can't wake up from, drags on aimlessly, and then ends with an incredibly heartfelt and nostalgic final episode.

[@pn2294]

That’s a weird way to describe Z

[@suminaoshinjo6545]

@@pn2294 I'd say that's only true for the Buu Saga

[@pn2294]

@@suminaoshinjo6545 no that definitely describes the Cell Saga. Nothing about that arc made sense.

[@HistoryandReviews]

You just described Super

[@nicolaspp4780]

@@HistoryandReviews super's ending ain't hearfelt or nostalgic

[@Darrel_B]

Imagine the writers of GT having the temerity to warn the Boruto team of the importance of quality and consistency

[@colin2329]

I've never watched any of the dragon ball series but the ending hit so hard

[@sydneyowusu3750]

Fr I enjoyed the end of gt much more than end of z

[@Kasaaz]

They really needed someone just in charge of maintaining continuity.

[@Ceriff88]

Despite how I feel about GT, I have never been able to get through that last episode without crying.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

They really should've went with an early Namek style adventure, that was actually compelling imo.

[@hanezutchins2786]

Idve been down with that

[@SoraX66z]

That's what made me skip to the ginyu arc. You can only handle them flying over sewage water for so long

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

@@SoraX66z Maybe, but having boring satam style cliche's instead is worse imo.

[@ABCodeX]

@@SoraX66z That shit is why I watch Kai over Z

[@ermacmacro7136]

There's a way that the 17 in Hell could happen. But it'd be weird. You make the 17 in Hell the 17 from the Timeline that Trunks saved the first time (the one that ends with Trunks gettjng merced by Cell so he could get his time machine) That way, you'd have a 17 that's evil.

[@statesminds]

I actually like GT. The Japanese opening DanDan is so nice imo. I like SSJ4 Vegeta, Goku, Gogeta, Super Baby Vegeta, Omega Shenron though. They’re really cool. The Baby plotline makes the show worth watching to me. He was one of most menacing enemies imo.

[@diegoantoniofrias9309]

Only 28% of things you like is enough for you to like the whole series?

[@raffielj]

As much as I am thankful with GT giving us SSJ4 and a somewhat confusing ending it kinda shatters the plot 1st of the black star db should be 5 episode long if GT followed the dbz story because in ssj3 he is already stronger if not as strong as kid buu, yes he was weaker but not that much and buu can shatter planets he shouldn't have any problems with half the enemies in GT except the dragons and baby vegeta.. 2nd after acquiring SSJ4 there would be little to no difficulty in the fights Goku is an idiot but not in fighting he would've notice 17 absorbing the shit he throws lastly that ending is confusing AF so goku's family eventually cut ties with vegeta's for some reason? So goku's bloodline eventually died as goku jr is only 1/32 saiyan

[@killwillv2610]

The worst scene in the entire show was when they were falling somewhere and somehow forgot they could fly. I don't remember what episode or which arc but that made me upset

[@Nimodog19]

It was probably the scene where Goku was using IT, but because of his size and shit his effectiveness with the technique wasn’t great. So they teleported just a bit away and fell For Goku you could argue that he needed to get used to his body, but the others? Hell no there’s no excuse

[@humanman9920]

They were still surprised that the instant transmission didn't work , so much nitpicking these days it's not like falling or not was a matter of life and death or even anything close to that for them .

[@killwillv2610]

@@humanman9920 I enjoyed much of GT and I enjoy Super thoroughly, so I wouldn't say I'm nitpicking. Just my opinion that it's silly to have them fall

[@terrillwilliams1515]

45:12 yes he does have the energy absorption model in Android 17 because Android 17 has all the missing parts that cyborg-17 doesn't have to create Super 17. I get some of you will say that he never had the Palm lighters to absorb the energy with but the idea was to make a replica of cyborg-17 as an Android so that way it can look exactly like him, especially in the events where you need Android 17 to go undercover as cyborg 17.

[@megaene]

Hey Mark! I love your analysis videos! They're both interesting and hilarious. 😂 For us Dragon Ball fans here in Italy, the ending of GT is a double tearjerker. Maurizio Torresan, voice of Goku along with director of the dub and writer of the localization for all series, films and specials up to GT, died only a few days after wrapping up the work on GT. By the time the final episode aired, he was already gone. He was famously the only one who though the franchise could be a success, and in the industry they used to make fun of him for it. His dedication to this series paid out tremendously, as to this day Italians, both old and young, still love Dragon Ball. I know GT has its writing all over the place, but I can never watch the final episode without crying, not just because it's the end of a long journey, but also because this series was the last time we could hear Torresan as Goku. He was dying during those recording sessions (he was ill for a long time by then, but never told anyone), and still gave it all for the fans. There's nothing but massive respect for him from fans and colleagues for his dedication to his work, especially after the behind the scenes situation became public knowledge. He was Dragon Ball's first and biggest fan in Italy.

[@Rafa-Silva-Alt]

Guy's a legend, Mad respect for him.

[@megaene]

​​@@Rafa-Silva-AltAbsolutely. I remember that because of DB's massive popularity his death made the newspapers's front page. Another thing that I believe contributed to his massive near-reverence from fans is the aura of mystery around his person. For example, no photos of him are known to exist; that's because, despite being very polite and open, he enjoyed his privacy, to the extent that he never made public appearances, released interviews, or even let himself being photographed or filmed. Even his own name was a bit of a mystery for fans, since he was almost always credited under the alias "Paolo Torrisi" and never under his real name. His own colleagues didn't know where he lived or where was the office where he worked. All they have left are their memories of working with him (famously, Gianluca Iacono, Vegeta's VA, said they recorded their lines for the Saiyan Saga together side by side, amazing), and the fans have some films he made as a young actor in the 60s-70s and his voice through the many roles he played in dozens of series across the decades.

[@BeatEngine-qr7if]

This is all so incredible. RIP to the legend

[@masterkent1]

26:30 one of my favorite points in the baby arc is that pan gets humbled with a reality check when his parents are suddenly turning against her trying to kill her which establishes an emotional grip on the scene because we know how shit just got even more real.

[@jacobwilliams1223]

To bad Pan getting humbled is all that ever happens to this character.

[@NiklasAV]

I feel Super saiyan 4 is such a great concept. Bringing the oruzaru back and it harkens back to the fairytale Monkey King inspiration from Goku. Sun Wukong

[@jantheking7028]

I agree with everything you said in this video. Getting through GT is such a drag

[@Shcroft2]

27:45 "I was worried it was a deus ex machina but it was actually just a god-like character swooping in at the last moment to save the protagonist"

[@firepuppies4086]

Granted, I think the Earthquake catfish has a mythological basis. So it's not just something randomly thought up. It's like the origin for Dragon Ball being Journey to the West. Take note of Whiscash in Pokemon, similar to how Infernape is based on Sun Wukong just like Goku

[@DanDaMaN95cov]

That Universal Spirit Bomb was fucking massive, definitely the best one of the whole franchise.

[@DarthAnimal]

30:00 its literally just physics. Any moon on any planet can turn a Saiyan into an Oozaru. The planetary body reflects the same light back to its moons, otherwise you wouldnt be able to see it

[@SatoshiNakamotoAi]

the thing that bothered me about uub being in the martial arts tournament is he's wearing a helmet yet the great saiyaman had to wear a do-rag

[@Green24152]

I mean, Papaya Man probably didn't exist before the tournament.

[@terrillwilliams1515]

21:23 sparing pan is the earliest clue of everything being a ruse. It's like Dr Gero said a machine that it's not willing to fight if useless. So Giru sparing pan tells us that there is something going on. Especially since trunks was pretty easily turned into a slab of Metal By the time space redirect.

[@terrillwilliams1515]

42:39 he can take you from Heaven to Hell because he has to be bad to do so. However once you are bad you don't become good all the sudden and get into heaven. Heaven and Hell have different rules when moving from one to another. Once again you just not looking deeply into what you are reading or hearing.

[@terrillwilliams1515]

43:00 Piccolo is now fused with the guardian of Earth who can also communicate with those in the dead. Piccolo also talks about how to make ants have Supernatural powers. So namekians are kind of like pseudo gods in Dragon Ball GT which is actually elaborated furthermore on in Dragon Ball Super.

[@VinceMouse]

Baby powering up makes him look like a Megaman villain.

[@Roler42]

In spite of it's flaws, I have to say I ended up enjoying GT a lot, I think that comes mostly because I started watching different TV channels or due to how hectic things became at home at the time I wasn't able to watch it as it aired, so I only saw the show here and there, but what little I saw I enjoyed. That being said... The Kid Bu Saga and the entirety of GT (specially the dragons arc) did some unfortunate permanent damage to me: They burned me out on Dragon Ball for good, I did not go back to watch Super, I did not bother looking at the games that came in the following years after GT, it simply had ran its course for me, even if today I still hold Dragon Ball dear to me. I think one of the things that hurt Dragon Ball the most was their lack of confidence in the new characters, we could have been easily told new awesome stories or watch each new generation follow in Goku's footsteps, but nope... It all kept constantly circling back to Goku, don't get me wrong, I love him, he's a legendary hero for good reason, but this overreliance on him only hurt everyone else by either making them more incompetent or useless by comparison.

[@humanman9920]

Vegeta emphasised on this himself in Super 17 arc when he got pissed off by Dr. Gero's confidence of winning because Goku wasn't there . I still think they started rushing it towards the end after Baby arc , cuz Super 17 arc's early events felt very rushed and it is also from that arc when every other character was simply left behind till Vegeta got the new form too late . Yes he didn't perform because of getting caught off guard and getting mind controlled but his base form was still stronger than Goku in Baby arc. Other saiyans had some cool fights and Majuub was way stronger than Goku made Super baby 2 go all out and even came in clutch at the end by reversing his candy beam in Baby's belly . Even the kais were such lifesavers in this arc that they didn't only save Goku from dying once but were the reason he could get ssj4 . Like this arc was fun and good for the most part but the later arcs either just didn't include others a lot of time , or just had them powercrept and felt rushed in general .

[@BeatEngine-qr7if]

I like this response. Even in the 90’s a lot of Japanese fans were burnt out on DB by the time GT aired. There wasn’t any new DB media for some years after GT ended. The series only truly revived when the movie came out in 2013.

[@CooldownCentral]

the last episode never fails to make me tear up

[@ironwox]

7 evil dragons And we have Goku vegeta trunks gohan gotten uub and Pan 7 heroes. Ok so each hero go after a dragon? No. It’s Goku Time

[@toddty11]

21:54 Trunks Briefs whole family is genius and he was running the company (or a, because capsule corp is so big) in dbgt so honestly him havin some unspoken bond with robots isn’t too too far fetched. And if trunks ever worked on guro then it makes sense

[@veritas57]

The final episode and A Hero’s Legacy make me happy GT was made. I love both of them so very much.

[@sydneyowusu3750]

Agreed

[@TheDeFiler316]

I was not expecting to be as moved as I was with that final episode when initially watching GT.

[@hyrulehistorian2317]

These videos were what introduced me to Mark’s channel. It’s genuinely pretty nostalgic watching them again.

[@BioAlpha5]

how are you gonna have a name like that and NOT have any videos? you should try it out, its fun! lol

[@hyrulehistorian2317]

@@BioAlpha5 I do want to eventually, just busy with school a lot of the time

[@PapaBearr]

This is a reupload right, cuz I swear I’ve seen this video before

[@hyrulehistorian2317]

@@PapaBearr It’s a compilation of all the GT reviews like he did with Berserk

[@djroscurro9859]

@@hyrulehistorian2317 Ahh ok