FRANK SHORTER || ANALYZING THE GREATS || UNITED STATES

[@thedigitalcrescendo6552]

Thanks for another solid video. Frank Shorter and Pre are definitely the runners to thank for running turning cool and accessible.

[@gamerdogleo2212]

Frank Shorter has so much style too. That mustache is just lovely!

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

Frank is really a double Olympic gold... He was beat by an East German doper in '76.

[@libradragon]

True.

[@davester1970]

Yes he was. Waldemar Cierpinski had to dope out of his mind to beat Frank Shorter.

[@orangewaffle1103]

Hey TRP, another great video, really loving the "Analyzing the Greats" series! If you could show the rankings of all the runners you've done at the end of the video that would be great, and that way we can see how he ranks with everyone else.

[@thedigitalcrescendo6552]

OrangeWaffle Agreed. Good idea.

[@libradragon]

Not many of us know that Frank Shorter was born in Munich, Germany. A truly fitting Gold Medal to celebrate his life and the gift he brought to all of us.

[@The6pruz]

Frank Shorter, according to his book (The Frank Shorter Story) said that he broke away from the field in Munich at about 9 miles (not the halfway point), which he conceded was early, but he said he was not comfortable running so slow because no one wanted to lead. Frank stated that he felt better running faster because it was closer to his training pace. So he took off and left the field behind, winning by 2 minutes and 10 seconds. Frank also said that by about 20 miles there was someone on the press/camera truck in front of him who spoke English and he was telling Frank how much his lead was, so he was very confident that if anyone was going to try to catch him they would be in for some very hard running! Seemingly the next day millions of Americans put on shorts and started running, thus beginning the myth (propagated by Jim McKay on ABC) that Frank Shorter "invented" running. Also, Frank's score adds up to 96, not 95. He's my favorite runner of all time and the ultimate hero of my youth.

[@thedailystride5407]

Nice video. Good score too. I didn’t realize he won a silver in 1976. What a legend. Thanks for all the awesome vids. Keeps me inspired to run.

[@eunicepadilla4355]

👌🏻👌🏻

[@mysticalmargaret6105]

It should've been another gold, but Frank ran against an East German in 1976, who was later proven to have been majorly juiced, along with practically every other East German until the Wall came down. Those East German athletes should have been stripped of their Olympic medals long ago.

[@glennglazier2568]

Outstanding analysis!

[@lennsoderlund4476]

A couple years ago my roommate brought me to his tri gym. I was cooling down from a workout on the stationary bike next to an older gentleman - had a pleasant conversation about the gym/general small talk. As I met up with my roommate he told me "Dude you were talking to Frank Shorter!" And I embarrassedly asked who he was to my roommate. I think Frank appreciated the authentic cander - good stuff.

[@JohnBrown-be6re]

Ron Clarke said that marathon runners had to "caress the ground with their feet"....Shorter had this light on his feet style which is really inspirational. In those days the shoes had little cushioning and you had to have good form to save your legs.

[@AcesGaruda]

Modern running shoes destroy your knees. Minimalist shoes/barefoot is how we are supposed to run.

[@lenvm]

I've heard that Shorter's running economy was legendary, and made up for his pedestrian VO2max, which was supposedly much lower than Bill Rodgers's. Despite Rodgers's superior aerobic capacity, Shorter usually beat him.

[@austinculver2643]

Frank's VO2 Max was a 72.

[@gobisGalaxy_star]

@@austinculver2643 72 isn't pedestrian among the general population, which is actually below 50. But among elite athletes it's probably average. I had an estimated VO2max of 72 when I was a college runner, but had average economy and lactate threshold (among athletes) so my times were simply 'good' not great. I would imagine Shorter had outstanding economy like lenvm says.

[@richardmilliken5651]

It's a shame that Shorter never ran the Boston Marathon or the New York Marathon!! Rodgers started dominating Marathons in 1975 when he set the American Record in the Boston Marathon in 2:09:55 and again in 1979 when he ran a 2:09:27 in Boston. Other than the 1976 USA Olympic Trials and the 1976 Olympics in the marathon, they never raced against each other in the Marathon. Rodgers ran 4 marathons that were all faster than Shorter's 2:10:30. Bill ran a lot more marathons and road races than Shorter and obviously Shorter was much faster on the track than Bill!! Rodgers had an inseam that measured 36in even though he was only 5ft 9in. Boston Billy was poetry in motion!!

[@clutcher_rl.]

@@richardmilliken5651 Shorter ran NYC in '76 and in '81.

[@yoshimuroi7771]

Hakone Ekiden is just around the corner, Please do Toshihiko Seko Japans greatest distance runner!

[@noazetterman5481]

It should be 96, not 95 in total score, typo? Great video as always 👍

[@TotalRunningProductions]

Noa Zetterman Yep. You are correct. Once again I have failed at simple math. 96 was the actual score.

[@randyevermore9323]

Frank was such a good marathoner because he was so good at the shorter distances. That's why he was so economical. When you can run 4:30/mile pace for 10,000 meters, 5:00/mile feels like walking, even for 26.2 miles. It would have been worth mentioning that he also placed 5th in the 10,,000 at Munich (in what was then the American Record, I believe), which set him up perfectly for the marathon. And he would have won the gold again in Montreal if not for the doper who stole it.

[@thomas1630]

What I see about franks form is he pulls his elbows back behind him more than other runners, especially his right elbow, but he keeps his shoulders quiet and pinned back. Grant Fisher(great form) rolls his shoulders a bit. I read you could not hear frank coming he was so quiet.

[@ArjunSingh-mi1yw]

My dad also run with him in 1976 marathon in Montreal Olympic ShivNathSingh he was 11th great run was that

[@screenstream1005]

Omg

[@mastergoatee]

I'm excited to eventually see Bill Rogers graded!

[@thehistoryexpert82]

Why haven't you done THE greatest runner of all time Emil Zatopek?

[@Brockdorf]

his arms swing as a carry over from running to school carrying his books

[@ferdinandvanzyl1500]

Awesome

[@eddygilbert8908]

Everyone should read his book. Extremely powerful

[@Sonicbutslow]

What is it called

[@eddygilbert8908]

My Marathon: Reflections on a Gold Medal Life

[@Sonicbutslow]

@@eddygilbert8908 thanks!

[@eddygilbert8908]

Ike Branstad no problem man. Glad I could help!

[@domingamancilla9073]

I like it!!

[@gobisGalaxy_star]

I'm not sure if you read the comments, but would it be possible to dig a bit deeper into the training of the greats? I've always been fascinated by the different approaches runners take with their training. It's interesting to see how training protocols have changed over the decades. Highlighting the methods of Cerutty, Lydiard, Joe Vigil, Frank Horwill, Joe Vigil, Jack Daniels, etc...would be fascinating.

[@danielfarrugia3884]

Nice. Can you please do Robert de Castella?

[@leightonsteidl7127]

Hey total running productions! Would you say that Kipchoge would be a 100 if you scaled him just on the marathon?

[@TotalRunningProductions]

Leighton Steidl Absolutely. No question about it. He’s the marathon goat 🐐

[@Slayer-yy4tz]

I recommend doing kip keino the first Kenya star in the running world, maybe mitrus yifter ( not sure if spelt right) but he is a great runner and ran in 1972 76 80 if memory servers me right and had a different names in those games but running form easily recognisable, and could do abebe bikila the first African ever to win a gold medal and in my opinion the greatest runner mentally, if u could do one of these i would appreciate it

[@danl2479]

John Walker and Gerry Lindgren would be great to see segments on. Also, Steve Ovett.

[@tizioincognito.3330]

You should do a video regarding Pietro Mennea.

[@primaco1898]

Do from Carlos Lopes please

[@felipecarceller2810]

U should do a video on Emil zatopek

[@mysticalmargaret6105]

Frank really won TWO Olympic gold medals as far as I'm concerned. The East German who 'won' in 1976 and 1980 was proven to have been juiced, along with every other East German runner, swimmer, etc, after the Wall came down.

[@McIntyreBible]

The marathoner is a person you have to respect, because not too many people in the world can run and complete the grueling 26 miles course!

[@rockyonguard]

Nice mention of Frank Shorter! By far...the man, the myth, the legend! His Olympic performances and dedication to the sport help start the running craze in the USA.

[@Nicklas_Eriksson]

Frank (Shorter) running vs the tallest fukker in marathon! HAHA, so fun

[@adatoavi]

Hi I think you got the math wrong. I get a total of 96

[@bobthebodybuildersmith6574]

Please do Matthew centrowitz pppllleeeeaaassseeeee

[@clambroth1923]

Perhaps I'm missing something here. 10 x 10 = 100 It goes to follow that 100 minus 4 (2 points subtracted for 9's & 2 points subtr. for the 8 = 4) = 96. So how does 100 minus 4 equal 95? Isn't Shorter at 96 points?

[@eunicepadilla4355]

👌🏻👟

[@garrettbauman5704]

Time for Billy now!!

[@VADELMAHILLO-cw7jm]

I WISHD IM DINNISH FRANK SHORTER

[@bobthebodybuildersmith6574]

Mathew centrowitz pplleeeaasseee

[@neilcidial-masrysandagesid7796]

2:56 ~ yep, someone kicked his ass, and told him to lose to a tall person. "Often Divorcing Bachelors, beat Shorter race." ~ yet you words are too polite. ~ Really need to compare his marathon time, to his short run time. ~ i have done this and seen that people seem to run the same speed no matter the distance. So 05 kilometers, or 28 kilometers, might see only a fraction of a difference.

[@yourbestfriend194]

Its not 95.. ITS 96!!!

[@mikenealon4042]

shorter is the real deal

[@mikenealon4042]

was he training for moscow '80 prior to the boycott?

[@mikenealon4042]

did cierpinski '76 (over frank) & '80 marathon gold for DDR, ever fess up to 💉?

[@jamesfleming5849]

The poor bastard was cheated.I was a mere 14 year old watching from an air base in Puerto Rico.Even I knew that nobody should be that fresh after that many miles.Ive have since run that distance many times.I am done with it.I'm old.His contribution to fitness in this country is way beyond his ability to fathom.He may be okay with it.But at 60 it still gets my b.p up .He more than deserved the gold at Montreal.HE was flat out cheated in the most obvious of ways.Cierpinsky looked like he could stop and and have a few pints and still win.That is not how ANYTHING works!