That damned Y-pipe in the heater circuit started leaking on my 2013 T$C. I replaced it with a Dorman aluminum part before the engine was destroyed. When Dorman is higher quality than a factory part...ouch!
@alvinhyman68389 ай бұрын
Ray has a video of a dorman condenser for a GM product that far exceeded the OEM . Kind of a pet peive issue with Ray that goes back many years!!
@adotintheshark48489 ай бұрын
Dorman has actually improved over the past 2-3 years. Better than Chinesium parts anyway
@justinbingheim23448 ай бұрын
A few years back I also had a 2013 T&C and that same heater hose connector leaked on mine, as well. It wasn't leaking nearly as bad as the one in this video, but enough to notice the coolant was low again every few days.
@tdotw778 ай бұрын
Doorman makes an aluminum oil filter\cooler housing for these stellantis engines too instead of factory plastic one that's a known defect on these things too. I think they're stepping up their game a bit, which is good - it's about time. It's sad that the aftermarket co.'s like Doorman has to fix so many engineer-created, manufacturers problem. 🤔🤦🏻♂️👍🏻👌🏻
@letitrest46622 ай бұрын
The Dorman was likely a third of the price of a factory plastic part too.
@erichammond71409 ай бұрын
That critical part being made from plastic instead of aluminum was the company cutting costs on their end but not on the owner
@RukarioEnterprisesLLC9 ай бұрын
This is what happens when you got liberals tryna think plastic is more fuel efficient than aluminum 😂😂😂
@donwyoming19369 ай бұрын
It probably has to do with reduced weight, not cost.
@Flies2FLL9 ай бұрын
It is designed to last the extent of the powertrain warranty....
@Flies2FLL9 ай бұрын
@@RukarioEnterprisesLLC How's that weather in Russia this afternoon Sergei? Is it "snowing" Ukrainian drones yet?
@danr19209 ай бұрын
If only Chrysler had been taken over by a Japanese company.
@pootispiker28669 ай бұрын
Not enough people are talking about how the intake manifold must be removed to change spark plugs. The designer would have been shot in the 60s.
@givemespace27429 ай бұрын
In the 60s they didn't have spark plugs that lasted 100,000km so you needed to have easy access then.
@mphilleo9 ай бұрын
This is a common design on nearly all modern engines, not just the 3.6.
@pootispiker28669 ай бұрын
@@givemespace2742 100k km or not, you still need to change them eventually.
@givemespace27429 ай бұрын
Yes and 3 or four years down the track when you do it takes 10 or 15 minutes to get at them. Usual you are doing other stuff in there at a more major service as well.
@KendrasEdge7579 ай бұрын
Just one of many problems with the 3.6…..and we’re not even talking about Chrysler-fiat problems/issues. The plastic oil cooler housing left the chat.
@JohnD-JohnD9 ай бұрын
This is why you don't ignore that temperature warning or the smell of burning coolant.
@seand73499 ай бұрын
Or the steam that's probably pretty obvious by then.
@Stoney3K9 ай бұрын
This. I had a Focus which had a busted thermostat housing and was dumping coolant out as fast as I could put it in. But I watched the temp gauge like a hawk, and with the first sight of a temp warning I pulled over every time. Thermostat housing was replaced, engine ran perfectly fine after that.
@ppal198128 ай бұрын
I can't believe there are idiots among us that drive with it overheating thinking it won't be a bad thing. That's why they call them dummy lights. 🙄🤦♂
@markmichlewicz51419 ай бұрын
When you are driving and see steam under the hood or at least the temp starts rising pull over and shut it off.don't try to get to the next exit and find a good parking spot.engine damage could have been avoided I think.
@module79l289 ай бұрын
Yeah, everyone is blaming the shitty engine for what happened but ultimately the driver is the one to blame.
@shakerman559 ай бұрын
Had a friend do the same thing. Engine overheating, and they were worried about getting to a McDonald’s or somewhere so they could get something to eat while waiting on the tow truck. Engine blew up. 😂
@user-jz1ht8ry2w9 ай бұрын
Expensive mcdonalds. @@shakerman55
@thebobbyc829 ай бұрын
Regarding who’s at fault, sometimes when coolant leaves the party, the temp sensor is no longer sitting in liquid and sometimes you can get low false readings and be unaware the block is heating up. Something I’ve seen before so thought I’ve throw my 2 pence worth in.
@hba1copqr6999 ай бұрын
Who cares ? Manufacturer must fit beeper if oil pressure drop and over heating. But who cares. 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
@not-a-raccoon9 ай бұрын
Procedure for diagnosing a Chrysler: 1) Open hood. 2) Pull pin from grenade 3)toss grenade into engine bay 4) close hood and run. Guaranteed to solve all Chrysler problems. There can't be an engine problem if the engine is not there anymore. 👍
@shakerman559 ай бұрын
If people would learn to quit running engines when they start to overheat and especially when they see steam, would stop a lot of the problems. Ray saw the steam coming out, saw the water near the back hose, yet kept the engine running while drowning it with water. He just made the problem worse. They towed it in for a reason. And yes, I think Ray is a really good and honest mechanic, but sometimes good mechanics get in a hurry and don’t think it through.
@Ham682299 ай бұрын
@@shakerman55 Gotta find the problem some how. If the owner already drove it overheated, damage was already done prior, Ray is just trying to find the problem. If there isn't enough fluid in system, you'd never find that leak, simple common sense right there.
@ConfusedHot-AirBalloons-xu7ns9 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@brianforman60939 ай бұрын
Sad that that happened, too bad for that motor
@KendrasEdge7579 ай бұрын
Step 1 of diag is VERIFY THE CUSTOMERS COMPLAINT/CONCERN. As soon as he verified the customer’s complaint/concern he found the problem and shut the engine off. Ray did nothing wrong. More than likely, the customer drove it longer and harder than he should have. None of this is said in defense of Chrysler/Fiat at all lol but in defense of the diagnostic process alone and in turn, Ray. Not at all Chrysler/Fiat lol FTR
@gregorylewis84719 ай бұрын
I had a car early on that seemed to have one coolant leak or another. I became very paranoid of the smell of engine coolant, even when I was in traffic and it turned out it was another car. Always expect the worst with coolant leaks! Pull over at first sign of a leak! Save your engine!
@Ghauster9 ай бұрын
There are times I've smell a fuel leak. I've never found one and never had it when alone. Always with traffic around. Still better to be on top of it then wait for the boom.
@Tedybear3159 ай бұрын
Have the 3.5 V6 in our Journey. Had a thermostat fail 'closed' while on the highway. Overheated and cracked the Y pipe off the heater core to the rear HVAC. Snapped it clean apart. Replaced all the parts, and tossed in a waterpump and timing belt (it was overdue). All that work and it overheated within minutes with a stuck 'stat. I pulled off the road within seconds of hearing the 'chime' warning and shut it down. That's the only thing that saved it.
@edifyguy9 ай бұрын
But that's what will save it, almost every time. That's what this owner didn't do.
@robertsmith29568 ай бұрын
I like those new thermostats that fail open. Sure you have to replace them if you over heat, but better that than the engine under it.
@Money2themax6 ай бұрын
I had a very similar issue. thermostat locked closed and the lower radiator hose literally popped off the rad. I was towing a trailer from Fort Polk back to San Diego when i retired from the Army back in 2019. I made it to El Paso. TX and AAA towed my jeep to the shop but they couldn't take my trailer. Thankfully US Army WTF Moments helped link me up with a soldier with a big-ass truck to pull the trailer to a hotel my wife got as she was driving our van. Thankfully the engine survived until i was able to replace my jeep 3 years later when i got the dreaded lifter tick.
@Texan_Patriot20 күн бұрын
Ray just driving that van around with the parking brake on....😂
@leonardhirtle36459 ай бұрын
Plastic for the win! I’m surprised that they didn’t notice the temperature gauge pegged hard over.
@brianpiper31889 ай бұрын
People don't drive anymore. If the engine starts and the vehicle moves, it's good to go run a muck and break every driving law. Few people know the vehicle has a gauge cluster, that's why the fuel tank is always on empty.
@Stoney3K9 ай бұрын
@@brianpiper3188 That's why modern ECU's should just shut the engine off if Bad News (tm) happens to the engine, and BEFORE the conditions where serious damage occurs to it. Even a giant red triangle with "PULL OVER IMMEDIATELY" on the dash because their engine is about to blow up won't cause drivers to pull over.
@61rampy655 ай бұрын
Did you watch the video? Apparently not.
@Google_Is_Evil9 ай бұрын
Heater core hose could have blown out after the head gasket went and cylinder pressures got into the coolant circuit. This means there could be another root cause for the engine failure. Best check and make sure after rebuild that the engine cooling is functioning properly and prevent a repeat because the root cause was not remediated.
@rickfranceschi12799 ай бұрын
I saved my engine!!! Same leak. Replaced part for $80. Pay attention to your temp gauge!!! This could have been avoided. My pentastar has 214k on it and still running! No pentastar tick either. I must have got one of the “good” ones😅
@Marlon_J9 ай бұрын
They are not horrible engine. Just too many pastic parts. As long as people do what you did, pay attention, and stay on top of things, they can last for a while. The 6 Speed transmission was the weakest link on certain years.
@omardevonlittle38179 ай бұрын
These engines are in soooo many taxis and ram commuter vans. They easily last 400k miles before getting retired
@rivjoy9 ай бұрын
My wife has good hearing, she noticed the engine ticking so we brought it in. Fortunately it hadn't eaten the cam up yet so we were safe. It still cost me a bit of money in parts and labor, it could have been a lot worse.
@Stoney3K9 ай бұрын
Which makes me wonder why that part wasn't replaced alongside with the thermostat housing, as the failed thermostat housing was probably the root cause of the damaged part, and it was a known issue.
@robertsmith29566 ай бұрын
People like you are probably why they don't put a temp gauge, and you have to wait for the to bad light to come on.
@jochenstacker74489 ай бұрын
I work in IT, so I would firstly recommend turning the car off and then on again and if that doesn't work, I would suggest a software update. That should solve the issue.
@billyounger97139 ай бұрын
Just press control/ alt /delete for a reboot!!😊
@corenoit9 ай бұрын
Clearing the cookies out from between the seats should help too.
@sct9136 ай бұрын
@@billyounger9713 Or in this case, you turn the key while simultaneously holding the turn signal switch in the right position, lowering the front passenger window, and powering the radio on.
@psquared55749 ай бұрын
My heart sunk realizing that engine was gone. I know how that customer felt hearing the news. Had it 3 times in my life.
@greggc.touftree59369 ай бұрын
Why do you keep buying domestics?
@roccol31109 ай бұрын
@@greggc.touftree5936 he never said what cars he have bought before
@adotintheshark48489 ай бұрын
Back in the 80s a friend of mine overheated my '65 Pontiac to death, the radiator failed, lost its water and the engine overheated until it stopped. Replaced it with a used motor.
@edifyguy9 ай бұрын
I hope the customer realizes that they turned a $100 repair into a multi thousand dollar one by trying to get where they were going instead of immediately stopping. Just stop when there's a problem, and avoid the big repair!
@jonsworld53078 ай бұрын
@@edifyguy probably didn't even know temp Gadge want read hot if it empty's the coolent that fast
@RJJ61299 ай бұрын
Chrysler has used that plastic Y pipe for ever, I’ve replaced a lot of them over the years. Yes a few had blown head gaskets and/or warped/cracked heads. “Plastic makes the world a better place!”….
@CakeRSq9 ай бұрын
“Piece of Stelantis” is perfect. At least they keep you in business. Seems like you’ve got a lot of bad engines lately.
@ianriggs9 ай бұрын
What a piece of stellantis lol 😂
@DickDastardlyOOO9 ай бұрын
Except that Fiat did not buy Chrysler until 2014. Mercedes would have engineered a 2011 car.
@silicon2129 ай бұрын
@@DickDastardlyOOO Fiat took ownership of 50% of Chrysler LLC in 2009 as a part of the bailout. Daimler sold off Chrysler in 2007.
@DickDastardlyOOO9 ай бұрын
@@silicon212 maybe so, however it was still a design from when Mercedes had control, and made in the US. Fiat design input would have been zero.
@Paramount5319 ай бұрын
My dog leaves piles of Stellantis in the back yard.
@AccountInactive9 ай бұрын
Driver blew it up. Slap the aluminum oil cooler and heater hoses on, change your oil like you should, and you'll get half a million miles out of a 3.6. We've retired several grand caravans from our pilot car fleet with 500-600k+
@lelandcarlson16689 ай бұрын
A couple of other possible scenarios: 1. The head gasket failed, over pressurizing the coolant system causing the fitting to fail. 2. A squirrel or other rodent gnawed on that part causing a weak spot which failed when the cooling system got up to its normal pressure. Either way, this vehicle was doomed from the day it came off the assembly line since it's a Chrysler product.
@rmproute669 ай бұрын
I had to replace the plastic y connectors with aluminum y connectors (Dorman in this case For the Win) when I had my 2014 Caravan. Chrysler's Bean Counters were getting cheap on certain parts with Coolant flowing through plastic.
@SN-hf2iu9 ай бұрын
The "Y" connectors get spongey and brittle. They can blow out so quick the coolant is gone before you can react. I had a replacement last less than 200 miles. There are 4 of these on this engine. My parts stores did not have the metal replacements. Blew out multiple times.
@edifyguy9 ай бұрын
"They can blow out so quick the coolant is gone before you can react." Nonsense. You only need enough warning to get off the road and turn off the engine. No coolant won't destroy an engine instantly; there is always reaction time. This driver ignored the issue and kept driving.
@rayfridley66492 ай бұрын
Se if a machine shop would be able to make a metal copy of that Y connector.
@omorin346 ай бұрын
A connector similar to this broke on my G37. Went through and replaced everything back there with Aluminum. It should be a DOT mandate to use proper materials.
@mike.479 ай бұрын
Good morning Ray, I’m very pleased to be here too.
@ronv66379 ай бұрын
How do you miss the huge cloud of steam and smell of coolant? Temperature gauge pegged hot then cold might be a hint
@GlennLaycock9 ай бұрын
I over heated my old convertible (the most complex and expensive thermostat structure was responsible - $400 and aftermarket as factory had terrible design flaws - 2.7 Chrysler) and they told me I did things perfectly as no damage but most people misunderstand how quickly overheating will destroy the motor and keep driving.
@fff-anon9 ай бұрын
Same thing happened to my 2012. The 'y' on the heater hose split and spewed coolant everywhere. Luckily I caught it in time and replaced the hoses with a metal 'y'. Almost 200k on my van now!
@russellstyles53819 ай бұрын
Classic quote suggestion - "She's dead Jim.". Star Trek.
@TXDeathInvestigator9 ай бұрын
Needs a red shroud of sorts. 😂
@russellstyles53819 ай бұрын
@@TXDeathInvestigator Pity it wasn't painted red like the car next to it.
@paulocarvalho64809 ай бұрын
What surprises me is that some engines are known to give a lot of trouble (and expensive ones), yet people still keep buying them. I prefer to pay more, but in exchange I want something to last years.
@charleskadletc24319 ай бұрын
Hope you show us how to save this engine, if we choose to do it. 😊
@user-tb7rn1il3q9 ай бұрын
It lasted over 150k miles. That’s pretty good for a domestic front drive.
@mikecumbo75319 ай бұрын
The problem is that unless you or someone in your family keeps up on cars and car issues how do you know?
@paulocarvalho64809 ай бұрын
@@mikecumbo7531 If so many people keep complaining about a particular engine, that is pretty clear. Whatever the type of vehicle and brand, would you be willing to pay potentially thousands more in repairs?
@richarddrozd12019 ай бұрын
19 yr old bmw 525i w/ N52 in-line 6. Lower coolant line connects to block with a - you guessed it - plastic flange. Gotta change out that flange before it melts or disintegrates. Learned about it watching a video like this.
@coolimpala719 ай бұрын
owner doesn't look at temp gauge , yup once overheated and headgasket/ cracked head done for.
@GlennLaycock9 ай бұрын
I guess an evaluate on it being worth keeping that machine going - I like the dash shifter - maybe awkward in practice to use. Maybe it is a "trade as is" they will fix or replace the motor "in house" or it goes to become parts basically. Such a common motor - maybe there will be another video on it if the owner decides the best way forward is to keep 'er on the road' in some manner - if the body is in good shape still perhaps.
@bobbg90419 ай бұрын
4:00 on the highway, how do you not notice white smoke from under the hood, and a temptre ga at the full line and a check engine light and keep driving it?
@matthewhaddon5999 ай бұрын
I noticed that there is a temperature gauge on this car unlike some manufacturers that seem to be deleting them, so the owner should have noticed that the temperature was rising you would think and stop driving. Also I wonder if the head gasket went before the plastic hose? Maybe???
@hyperiondan9 ай бұрын
I have had that part fail on 2 of my own cars in the last 10 years.. the replacement part is aluminum.
@robertsheriff61189 ай бұрын
I would recommend a total replacement as it overheated badly. Other parts of the engine have no doubt received damage.
@pcspecialistpdx9 ай бұрын
If that were my car, I wouldn't even consider repairing that engine as there's really no way to know if the lower end was damaged from hydro-locking without fixing the upper end first. That engine got real angry when you put coolant back in it. A good, used engine is the only repair I'd consider.
@donreinholz81219 ай бұрын
That plastic Y is a common failure point on those engines. Sad when this could have been easily avoided. Good diag Ray.
@donniepartipilo58539 ай бұрын
I have seen this problem on a really nice dodge ram! One plastic part that caused the truck to be out of service!
@railbaron99 ай бұрын
The penstar motor. Its channeling the PT cruiser.
@paulmoffat93069 ай бұрын
At least, the Air Filter looks new!
@scottslattery55909 ай бұрын
Lol
@spelunkerd9 ай бұрын
This is my favorite kind of auto repair. Step by step diagnostics with clear direction and judgement as to which problem to deal with first. Fixing that hose leak would have been tempting but in the end your focus on the most serious sign kept the bill low and came to the same conclusion.
@SteveWidlund9 ай бұрын
Ray, put a small piece of blue towel on the tip of the endoscope. The paper will, of course, absorb any liquid.
@darksteve849 ай бұрын
My personal car is an Australian dodge journey 2015. Same motor but only front wheel drive. 101024km on it, sorry I don't do freedom units. I have been a helicopter parent to it and it has never missed a beat. Mind you I did have to do the entire oil filter/cooler unit and I do not enjoy having to take off so much top end to get to it
@seand73499 ай бұрын
This is also front wheel drive unless I missed something? On the AWD versions they still have the transverse mounted engine and are still primarily fwd
@Gamerglotzer9 ай бұрын
And thats excatly why you stop immediatly if your car/engine has a major problem. They might have gotten away with just replacing that hose and adding new coolant
@edifyguy9 ай бұрын
I wish I could give this enough likes to get it to the top.
@nikolateslax19 ай бұрын
You mentioned a couple videos ago considering getting a new scantool. I knew someone who loved his XTool. Free updates for three years, bidirectional control enabled. I used it to program the immobilizer keys on my 2004 Nissan Maxima.
@summergain8 ай бұрын
I am on the 4th set of heater hoses on my 2010. I have the 3.8 liter though. Finally have a set that has a metal Y. I don't know how anyone misses the cloud of steam and coolant stench. Just keep your favorite tow guy in your phone.
@tonster049 ай бұрын
I just lost that exact van (accident) a couple of weeks ago, but I replaced that part *four* times in the 13 years I owned the car, finally finding the aluminum part on eBay after the third time (and the fourth time it happened when I was out of town, so I had to locate the part in the middle of nowhere taking care not to overheat the engine). Apparently at some point between the third and fourth times they finally started making an aftermarket part out of aluminum and as luck would have it it was in stock in the middle of nowhere and I was able to replace it with that. But IMO Chrysler should replace this engine. There's no way I believe the engineers somehow "didn't know" making a critical component in a high temperature application out of plastic was the wrong move. It's too bad the driver here wasn't paying more attention to the temperature gauge and let it overheat to the point it shut down. :(
@edifyguy9 ай бұрын
"It's too bad the driver here wasn't paying more attention" is EXACTLY why it's NOT Chrysler's fault. Do I like that automakers have been using plastic parts in vehicle cooling systems for 30 years now? NO. The first time I replaced one was on a 90s Buick that belonged to a fellow student in college, a girl who didn't know anything about cars, but when steam happened and the temperature gauge went up, she knew to stop and call for help. I replaced the broken plastic part with a steel one, and she drove it for a long time after that. People have to use their brain. There is no design so foolproof that an inattentive driver can't ruin it.
@kevinyancey9589 ай бұрын
I had a run of bad fuel pressure regulators on GM engines back in the early 2000's. These were the ones on the fuel rail, controlled by vacuum diaphrams. I believe they used a rubber that wasn't ethanol resistant, but GM wouldn't admit responsibility. It took a couple of years before they released an updated design to fix the issue. Anyway, I had one customer with a Chevy Beretta with the Quad 4 come in on a flatbed because it hydro locked from fuel blowing through the regulator, up through the vacuum line and into the intake, down into the number 2 or 3 cylinder. Fortunately, it didn't cause any damage to the engine, since it wasn't running when the cylinder filled up. I pulled the spark plugs and spun the engine with the stater, which shot a jet of fuel against the bottom of the hood and deflected forward onto the wall, nearly hitting my wife. That could have turned out really bad, had there been a flame anywhere within 20 feet. I replaced the regulator, squirted a dab of oil in each cylinder, and it fired right up. Another customer with an Impala that went through multiple regulators until the updated part was released. They would last 13 months, just 1 month longer than the warranty. Thankfully, my auto parts store was able to warranty the failed regulator after the second failure. I believe it was the third failure when the new design was available, and I never had an issue after that one. However, my customers' son decided to slide the car sideways at a high rate of speed and turn it into the flying DeLorean in Back to the Future II. I had never seen a car with all 4 wheels bent over. I have pics of it. The customer decided not to fix it because it would have cost more than the car was worth. Also, along with his car, I had 3 Impalas in one season with bad blower motors/resistors. One of those customers had replaced the resistor twice, not knowing that the blower motor was causing the resistor failures. Always replace both as a pair. The resistors almost always fail because of a bad motor. If you lose one or more speed, having only off and high, the motor is bad (requiring too much current to turn, which burns up the resistor). The resistor is cooled by the airflow from the fan, so a slow spinning/ high Amp draw destroys them. It happens to us all at some point (unless you only keep vehicles for a couple years at a time). Certain things on cars should be done as pairs, like headlight bulbs, shocks, anything brake related (pads, calipers, rotors), and blower motors/ resistors! I've got 40 years of automotive repair under my belt. I've never charged for anything I've never fixed, charged the lessor of book or actually labor time, and even went to my customer's homes/work to pick up/drop off their vehicles. As an example, I had a customer with a Cadillac SRX with the V6 that had a bad timing chain tensioner. I replaced all three tensioners, chains, pensioners, guides, and gears. The book time was 19 hours! At dealer prices, the labor alone would have been over $2k, but my labor rate was only $50/hr at that time (working from home). He was retired and he clearly wasn't wealthy, having bought it used and it being his first Caddy. The parts were listed for $1,500, but through AZ were about $500. I agreed to do the job for $500, or 10 hours of labor. From start to finish, I was able to do the job done in 10 hours (with no corners cut). I have many stories like this, and some stories of shady dealer's shops. Maybe I should start a channel? Lol
@DeeGee-mv6eq9 ай бұрын
Nice book.
@imagseer9 ай бұрын
Steam is forever trying to escape. This time it killed the engine. Pretty obvious by the smell and coolant gone. Probably warped the cylinder head back there too. It would be interesting to see the fix if the customer wants the car back on the road.
@hughjass12749 ай бұрын
I miss the telephone ringing. How about bringing it back for a cameo appearance?
@Dilberts_Dogbert9 ай бұрын
Miss the phone too but the wife unit is a total upgrade😎
@joshuasprucie89339 ай бұрын
How about the clocking in machine doo dey doo hehe
@scottslattery55909 ай бұрын
Oh yes!! I miss it as well. I loved it when ray emulated the sound!!!
@tomn8tr9 ай бұрын
Tirdlydirtlydooo!
@nonotthatoneguy9 ай бұрын
Wife Unit played a sample of it on her cell phone a few episodes ago. He wasn't happy about it.
@buffalomerkis76039 ай бұрын
My main concern is, clearly it was having an issue, no doubt the temperature gauge went to the moon, but they kept on driving until it shut off… if they’d stopped at the first sign of overheating they could have saved the engine and just fixed with a new hose and some coolant. People should do better
@flako6419 ай бұрын
Can get away with replacing the culinder head gasket. While the head is out can check for warpage to make sure if the engine is good or not. If warped, new engine if not and the cylinder head isnt warped then slap a new head gasket and new Y pipe hose and shes good. Knowing that the engine is probably filling up with water and still trying to start it was hard to watch.
@shanetoutloff9 ай бұрын
the engine is fine just put a head and head gasket in it they have extended coverage till 156xxx on that cylinder head through Chrysler ,probably out due to year but i do head and gasket jobs on those all the time and its fine easy job the codes are due to it over heating and oil getting hot and thinning out slap a cylinder head and gasket on it change the oil and fix the y pipe , clear the codes and ship it
@Windows6.09 ай бұрын
Almost the same thing happened to my 3.8L V6. It had a head gasket leak that just got really bad and started putting oil and coolant mix into the intake through the PCV valve, and the EGR valve. I did try to fix it previously with some sealants, but they never worked.
@brandonadams32109 ай бұрын
Dorman makes an aluminum replacement for that failure prone plastic coolant pipe. It's called OE Fix
@daveclark83378 ай бұрын
Toyota makes a replacement for that failure prone engine and vehicle. It's called Sienna.
@wls14789 ай бұрын
Ford does the coolant-Y in plastic on the truck diesel 6.0L. I changed mine to a Dorman aluminum replacement to help avoid the possible coolant dump.
@blackdragon468199 ай бұрын
I can say the aftermarket heater hose assembly for that is aluminum
@InsideOfMyOwnMind9 ай бұрын
Was towed in, sat in the lot for who knows how long and the temp gauge is still on point. Yer done.
@brettemerich3237Ай бұрын
Ray the while you are in their mode might include the crank shaft to be up graded not that it has to be. If a person is jacking the pressure up to get 700 hp it might be worth it. I would say you went the whole mile on this truck then. Get well Ray. No need to pass your sickness around in the household
@OldMadScientist9 ай бұрын
Since cylinder 4 was the only code listed for a misfire, I would at least pull the head and check its condition. Since the vehicle started and ran, the owner may get lucky and only need a head gasket or replacement head.
@edifyguy9 ай бұрын
On my own van, I'd try this. On someone else's, NO. It's not a repair I could stand behind. It might last a decade, or a day. Too many things got too hot.
@patricknesbitt40039 ай бұрын
Another engine killed because of a cheap plastic part. Just happened to me last Saturday on the expressway with a Mazda CX7. Plastic water outlet on the cylinder head ruptured. Massive steam cloud and every warning light came on. Drove a half mile to get into a parking lot. Towed 40 miles home. Just replaced that stupid part and at least for now engine seems fine. Keeping fingers crossed. Thing is that part is a known high failure piece but they used it for 11 years.
@edifyguy9 ай бұрын
"Drove a half mile to get into a parking lot." Why? Why would you risk the engine? Just pull off the road and tow from there.
@patricknesbitt40038 ай бұрын
@@edifyguy Didn't lose all the coolant immediately. Also this was the Garden State Parkway which controls who tows, where and when. You have no choice as to any of this. Engine is fine, repaired myself and a 40 mile tow cost me $50. Would have been screwed royally had I left it there.
@edifyguy8 ай бұрын
@@patricknesbitt4003 In that case it makes sense. It's nice to know there are sensible people driving cars. :)
@brettemerich32379 ай бұрын
Ray this should have been a recall item but it was past the warranty?if I owned one of these 3.6 I think I would change this plastics out. I guess you need a good 3.6 pentistar engine. Might be hard to find,you had other problem with this engine in your shop Have a great day Ray
@MichaelTilton9 ай бұрын
Chrysler is the Chrysler of Chrysler I used to sell them a couple decades ago. How they still have market share is amazing to me.
@chrisarcher55739 ай бұрын
They no longer sell their marque in the UK.
@steveg83379 ай бұрын
Nobody pays attention to gauges anymore either. Owners fault...
@Onewheelordeal9 ай бұрын
I find it real hard to believe the owner would not be able to smell this occurring. These trash plastic coolant Y's they use these days I've seen take out a couple Ecoboost v6s too.
@NeoAndersonReloaded9 ай бұрын
Yea it depends. Woman😮
@Charles-m3t9 ай бұрын
The earlier pentastar also had problems from the factory heads not being clean out properly from sand or aluminum shavings from the molds before they were install on this engine.The updated engines like the 2019 s seem to be a better made engine,but I still don’t agree with the plastic particles they are putting on any of these newer vehicles.
@richardg86519 ай бұрын
Yes it's crappy components but how high and for how long was the temperature gauge at H ?
@johnreid8599 ай бұрын
My 07 5.3 has the same type of plastic fitting on the heater hose. I think the fittings are pretty common.
@edifyguy9 ай бұрын
They are, but hating on Chrysler seems to be a popular pastime in this comment section. The first one I replaced was on a 90s Buick, quite awhile ago.
@thepubliceye9 ай бұрын
I wonder why manufacturers have never added over-temp or low-oil pressure shutdown. I did have a Ford Ranger years ago that had a low oil level sensor that prevented startup. Even the cheapest lawn & garden engines have low oil shutdown.
@edifyguy9 ай бұрын
Because we live in a litigious society, and it is viewed as safer for the occupants of the vehicle to allow the vehicle to damage itself in the effort to get out of traffic in a graceful manner rather than just drop dead. There is always time between warning lights and major damage, and in the case of cooling system failure, it's more than the sometimes only a few seconds that oiling failure can give, but this is classic operator foolishness. It's a good thing Ray is such a gentleman; I'd have been severely tempted to give the owner a hard time for driving it with obvious problems until it quit.
@thepubliceye9 ай бұрын
@@edifyguy That is no excuse, there can be a limp mod or a timer. If there is no oil pressure it will blow and that will shut it down where it is for sure.
@edifyguy9 ай бұрын
@@thepubliceye What is possible and what is advisable are two different things. Everything you state is possible is, of course, possible, but a very risky idea. For once, I think the manufacturers have done the right thing. It is far safer for the occupants to have the vehicle simply warn the driver that a problem has occurred, and allow the driver to make the decision about what to do next. A good driver will get the vehicle off the road as soon as physically possible and turn off the vehicle. This will minimize the danger of getting in a collision, and keep the damage to the powertrain to the minimum possible within the constraints of human safety. A driver with questionable judgement will often keep driving until the laws of physics make that impossible. In both cases, it's safer for the manufacturer to allow the driver and the laws of physics to dance without interference. If the manufacturer intentionally interferes, they open themselves to massive lawsuits the moment someone gets hurt, even if it was clearly not their fault.
@edifyguy9 ай бұрын
@@thepubliceye I have no issue with vehicles which refuse to start when parked if there is no oil or oil pressure. For vehicles with electric oil pumps, where the PCM can expect to see oil pressure before the engine is started, I think this makes excellent sense, and checking a level sensor before allowing cranking could also protect an engine from an oblivious operator, to a certain extent, but the fact of the matter is, most of the time, engine damaging oil starvation occurs with the vehicle moving, and forcing it to shut down sooner in an attempt to protect the motor places engine longevity ahead of human safety, and that's wrong.
@djs_projects_repairs9 ай бұрын
The 3.6s expecially the earlier ones where prone to headgasket falure to begin with but typically was on cyl 2 from what i had seen. And very surprised it did have the penta star tick or the destroyed oil cooler.
@amalfiphone67369 ай бұрын
when looking into #4, wiggle the engine to see little waves of coolant, and if the reflection moves! Works a treat when I'm checking if the Berrymans B12 is getting past oil clogged scraper rings of my 1ZZ or not!
@dmcmanis039 ай бұрын
Dorman makes hoses that have metal elbows. Chrysler is the king of ticking time bombs. They wan't it to fail. Bad thing is is Benz learned how to be "cost effective" from Chrysler. I just did a front head on one of these. Parts are not too bad. If you use the timing tool set. You can get the head swapped over quickly. It took me about 8 hours from tear down to re-start the engine. With the current miles on the van. I would recommend Trans flush/filter, Oil cooler replaced with metal, heater hoses with metal Y joints. Plugs, coils, valve cover gaskets, and PCV valve. If you fix the engine with without the trans service. The trans will probably fail before 200k. The filter plugs up and burns out the trans. The torque converter can cause a lot of debris in the trans. It is not because of a bad converter. It is mostly just converter wear. I think this is a great engine. But value engineering keeps it from being a off the showroom bulletproof motor/trans.
@ericwalstrand35129 ай бұрын
So, does this mean you aren't fixing the tire pressure monitor?
@Boga2179 ай бұрын
Intake was loose and ray had replaced a thermostat on the side which removing that would have been part of that for more room...hmmm did ray forget to tighten that intake to throttle body.
@garysalus18539 ай бұрын
Why not head gasket ?
@carsten45949 ай бұрын
Hey, it made it through warranty. The only concern for Chrysler anymore.
@DogAteMyPopcorn9 ай бұрын
A couple of years ago, there was a video of a 3.6 Pentastar engine teardown that died because of failure in the timing chain and tensioners. It otherwise was in remarkable shape, considering it had 626,000 miles on it. The owner maintained it and changed the oil every 8,000 miles, using only Valvoline or Mobil1 lubricants. I think the owner of the Chrysler minivan probably destroyed the engine by continuing to drive despite all the warning lights going off. The 'drive it til it quits' rarely works out.
@edifyguy9 ай бұрын
I hate to be stereotypical, but female drivers (a minivan's usual) tend to ignore them, and not always because they're oblivious, but often because they're frightened, and don't want to be stopped in a place where they'll feel unsafe, so they want to push ahead and get somewhere safe. That's understandable, but it usually ends with stopping somewhere less safe than what they could have planned if they'd heeded the warnings, and expensive, major damage. I've seen it firsthand with my mom when I was a kid.
@dha12oks8 ай бұрын
I had something similar happen to me not so long back with the coolant pissing out, at first I thought it was the garage who didn't top it up when I asked for a regular service, so I started topping it up by myself, bleeding it etc, and I still had the problem, turns out to state what I just stated above, that it was a coolant leak ._.
@Dark_Knight_USA8 ай бұрын
Greetings: Typical newer junk. If I cannot see and get 2 all of the spark plugs I refuse 2 work on it. Thx 4 the share.
@russelbaird33429 ай бұрын
The last Chrysler product I owned was a “75 Dodge Maxivan B2500 w/ 360 V-8 . A great motor for me . Drove it 8 years sold it to my Partner , ( he love it ), he drove it 9 years . Motor still strong , the body was disappearing , we live in the rust belt . Stay safe , have fun .
@rivjoy9 ай бұрын
I'm a 20th century Chrysler fan. I owned a 70 Plymouth Satellite wagon w/318, its one car I still wish I had despite the rust. I've owned some 21 century Chrysler products including 2013 Caravan w/3.6. It's a good car if it wasn't for the engine, brakes, and fuel pump relay that requires you to replace an expensive circuit board to fix.
@jdub9769 ай бұрын
@@rivjoy had a couple 318's as well they were one of the good ones. just kept running.
@martinbalmforth26659 ай бұрын
It sounds like it suffered a hot engine soft seize, and has likely omghgf. This happened to the Mrs a few years back on our Nissan Almera 1.5
@jdesaavedra04329 ай бұрын
Plastic coolant fittings--what could go wrong? You don't want to hydrolock this anchor. It will make the torque converter bolts hard to access.
@TXDeathInvestigator9 ай бұрын
The pentastar engine…😩
@glennengdahl98489 ай бұрын
I have a plymouth fury 1965 year model, and it served me very well over the 7 years i used it, i am a mopar idiot so i find it difficult to agree that the pentastar is bad…. 😛
@LilYeshua9 ай бұрын
I've never seen a split heater hose. Must be real bad. A former co worker of mine was right years ago when he said that the Chrysler v 6's were crap
@matthewroutt39389 ай бұрын
At about 4:30 I was thinking that a potential coolant leak might be "a problem", but not necessarily "the problem". Then going to about 19:30 after seeing liquid on the piston and about 20:30 seeing liquid near the cylinder wall realizing that was the problem and, as far as the engine was concerned, "it's dead, Jim"
@TylerShawWx9 ай бұрын
We had a 2006 T&C that nearly overheated. Cooling fans quit working and the stealership had them in stock. Turns out they were known to fail so the dealerships keep the fans in stock. Won't ever get another Chrysler vehicle.
@stephenbullock-yn3vh9 ай бұрын
I had 1998 town country with 3.8 v6 and that motor was strong.had over 190,000 miles on it. I should have kept it used it for trade in for durmax truck
@XxTWMLxX9 ай бұрын
I have a dodge dakota with a 3.6 misfiring on 4. Temps fine though. I think it may be injector. Already replaced/moved coils and plugs. Ran cleaner through the gas. Checked compression and all cylinders are within spec. A little low on spec bit still spec and all in same range as each other. So i beleive its injector. Just dont wanna tear it all apart to replace it. So much work for such a simple task.
@exvan35718 ай бұрын
Listen to the Injector with really long screwdriver. Chris Fix has a tutorial in his channel
@CS-hv8rq9 ай бұрын
Haven’t heard any honks for safety when backing out lately
@rustbeltrobclassic25129 ай бұрын
I had one of these penistar engines in my wrangler, it was trash.. It had decent power, but the way it was built on a budget didn't leave much confidence in its longevity. Which was confirmed when the water pump died at 42k miles and required an engine rebuild/replacement due to that at such a young age, warranty replacement, but the water pump was in the timing cover and made of plastic.
@paulmonk78204 ай бұрын
Put a qtip on the scope and see if it comes out wet. 😮 20:00
@mikeh68769 ай бұрын
Ray, like your diagnosis but could you just replace the head gaskets to fix the problem. If there is no water in the oil, then the mains and rods should be O/K.
@TechMaster21339 ай бұрын
if these have an aluminum block the block and heads will be warped. The labor involved to rip it apart and machine the heads and get it all checked would be as much as swapping the engine lol. if it really go hot enough to shut down that whole engine is cooked.
@mikeh68769 ай бұрын
@@TechMaster2133 Wile I partially agree. The problem is that you do not know what you are getting. If I rebuild an engine, then I know what is wrong.
@geoffreyfox609 ай бұрын
It never got hot just dumped all the coolant blew up it's very weird 😭😞❤😂🎉😢😮😅😊
@Ham682299 ай бұрын
Seems like a good overhaul project, unless owner wants an entire new engine installed, now days, we've become a throw away society, would be typical for a new install. Auto manufacturers make critical parts out of plastic because they want "us" the consumer to bring it in to a dealership, they don't like "mom and pop" mechanic shops to fix "their" product, it's been this way for a very long time now. I guess that's why many of the top brand names aren't selling as many vehicles these past few yrs, reliability and quality has really gone downhill. Great video as always, cheers :) P.S. For some odd reason, I can just "smell" that coolant odor from here, been there, done that and fixed it. :)
@hermanrogers13252 ай бұрын
The engine is supposed to shut off before it gets to hot, so it could be a hole in the plastic heater core line but you will never know until you replace the part with the hole in it and test run the engine. So all the spark plugs must be replaced and coils if they got wet and blow out the water in each cylinder and the car may run okay
@peted52179 ай бұрын
Any Reliable Vehicle would B Best Replacement here !
@johnwardale60108 ай бұрын
@Ray: has the temp sending unit and dash light(s) been verified? I can believe a potential coolant dump going unnoticed on the highway, overheating warnings should be noticed; found this on @eric does cars, so very curious how long it takes from the “hot” or “no coolant” alarm, until it blows the head or head gasket or entire engine!
@ltymore45999 ай бұрын
I wonder what it would cost for a used replacement engine including labor?
@toxiclovept9 ай бұрын
Greetings from the European Florida, or Portugal, as some may say!
@Mus.Anonymouse9 ай бұрын
European Florida… Isn’t that Gibraltar? Otherwise it must be Corsica. 🤣
@kevinwilliams48999 ай бұрын
As someone that has no knowledge of the Pentastar motor. If the enginehad has not hydraulically locked is it worth doing a head gasket on these?
@billcoleman73169 ай бұрын
Ray I'm glad that you are feeling better these days.