The Full Story of the Bombing of Theramore - World of Warcraft Lore

The Full Story of the Bombing of Theramore - World of Warcraft Lore
Ever wonder what caused Jaina to go over the edge and to start hating the horde? In this video, you will find out everything that happened before, during, and after the bombing of Theramore.
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[@ToxicGamez]

Baine deserves to be warchief mannn, he'd be the best choice! Also, follow me on twitter/fb, for KRUCIAL posts hehe. Fb: facebook.com/Krucial-293951260798200/ Twit: twitter.com/J_Krucial?lang=en

[@carsonoispapi9703]

Krucial if your reading this it's too late, the very powerful kakio has reached to much power, he is now capable of posting very often and even LIVE STREAM, YOU MUST STOP HIM! Before he reaches his maximum power and his sub count sky rockets, destroy him, sweep the leg

[@moonrazor2039]

He's a wimp and inexperienced. Stop changing warchiefs every fucking expansion thanks.

[@gregskaggs4453]

+Red Moon lol inexperienced and a wimp? He re-took thunderbluff without any aid from Garrosh even after his father was killed. He challenged Garrosh more than Vol'jin did and he saved Garrosh's life in an ambush even after all their differences, because he is a good leader and has the horde in his heart and mind. Gotta love the kids who know nothing about lore proclaiming that Garrosh is bringing back "the true orcs" when the real orcs were the ones who were honorable, peaceful, noble, and ones who worshiped the elements. Im all for liking Garrosh for his badassery, but calling Baine a puss because he doesn's support Garrosh's mindset reflects stupidity on your part

[@EJ_Red]

If current events were typical Alliance-Horde drama then yes, Baine would be the first choice to be Warchief. Alas the Burning Legion returns so the Horde needs a leader most experienced in war; Varok would be a candidate but his age stops him gaining the mantle of Warchief, Baine though inherited his father's honor and wisdom is not a leader strong enough to lead the Horde through war, Lor'themar though did have combat experience did not have the experience to lead a whole faction, and Gallywix... yeah, think about that. This leaves Sylvanas as the most viable choice to be Warchief in the third war against the Burning Legion as she had the training to lead troops, had numerous battles, and had the most experience leading a kingdom (The Forsaken), and thus was given the mantle of Warchief. Don't get me wrong, Baine is my number one choice as Warchief but compared to Sylvanas his experience as leader is not enough to lead a whole faction during this turmoil.

[@relaxedfish2344]

at least someone knows what they are talking about.

[@spinloki]

Garrosh enslaves elementals to slaughter their enemies Elementals: Wow, what a jerk. We won't do anything about it though. Jaina tries to do literally the exact same thing Elementals: nooo thrall stop her now nooooooooooo

[@aarengraves9962]

Garrosh is the most intimidating Orc to ever live

[@jameschristophercirujano6650]

Probably coz Jaina commanded way more elementals,.

[@theautumnfox9890]

In wow 90% of horde actios got 10/10 luck Why? "Because aliance players are to much, less fk al logic and lore to make the horde better and better ich fk expansion" Stpd Blizzard allways the same history

[@patriousthefallenknight3185]

Garrosh blowing up a small foothold right at our front door = war criminal Sylvanas burning down a huge tree with a city in it AKA the night elves starting zone = morally gray

[@appstore7702]

ياالله ليله هالجمعه يلي خليت رجب طلعله السان عقب غير انك تقيم القيامتي

[@christine-kht]

Morally grey? Wait what? That shit kinda split the horde even more afaik o.O Silvanas is currently (after garrosh) really the most hated horde leader. BUT I am also not a lore expert - just saying this as a casual gamer. I kinda liked silvanas before but that damn tree ... At least we know that a freaking asshole-loa told Voljin to say her name. Kill that loa of death I say! x,D

[@patriousthefallenknight3185]

@@appstore7702 Oh God, by night, I will gather it, after I left Ragab, and it came to the tongue after you did not evaluate my resurrection is what you said

[@mmilkrat]

Christine Kuhrt I agree. She’s definitely being set up to be our next villain in shadowlands. She split the horde in two and is not at all morally grey she’s just plain villain.

[@BoyInBlue94]

Both were war crimes and as a Tauren, I hated both of them, Garrosh and Sylvanas. I hope we will end her, too in the Shadowlands.

[@Dexieboi2013]

Mana bombs can't melt stone pillars

[@profrickshaw]

Theramore was an inside job!

[@kronkrian100]

Theramore was merely a setback.

[@lambadaglover1011]

cannot*

[@EJ_Red]

Theramore was an inside job, arcane energy can't destroy stone bricks

[@madevich4784]

Varian did Theramore.

[@k01dsv]

I never really understood why the Night Elves presence in Kalimdor was so weak? They're one of the oldest races, yet they're only in control a very small part, Teldrasil, Darkshore and Ashenvale, and then share/shared moonglade and Hyjal with the taurens. The rest is controlled mainly by orcs or goblins..

[@HCSR2]

Isolationism. They only care about their lands and their forests, the rest of the world be damned. It's part of why it was so weird to see them join the Alliance when WoW came out.

[@jeanackle]

Well, there is also Feathermoon Stronghold in Feralas, which is mainly controlled by Ogres I guess. You could also argue that Night Elves live such long lives - even after they lost their immortality, several known Night Elves were already adults 10000 years ago - that they don't need reproduction for the purpose of survival of the species, as much as most other races do. So their numbers are thin compared to Humans, Orcs and others.

[@eixikyushun4999]

Its because most nightelf male is impotent😉

[@k01dsv]

@@eixikyushun4999 Makes sense =P

[@BoyInBlue94]

Things getting fucked up pretty fast if your kingdom gets close with the legion and stuff

[@mcartass]

This is one of the best(saddest) stories in wow. Thank you for making this video. It was amazing to hear full of it. Please more story(lore) videos like this.

[@commandervulkan]

All Gnomes cry at this event.. We could've had a respected and loved character.

[@maaax5092]

Never

[@ggdcsr]

10:46 "although the food tasted like ass there" I literally had to pause for a moment because I started laughing so hard

[@kulrigalestout]

I was a proud member of the Horde from the mid/late days of Vanilla. Whenever I saw an Alliance player, I'd charge in and do my duty as a Warrior of the Horde; through victory or death, I could be proud in what I had done. During the Burning Crusade, I was stalwart in the defense of the forts in Hellfire Peninsula, Halaa would be painted red as long as I was around, and I would do my best to secure a convenient respawn point for my brothers and sisters raiding the Steamvaults. When the Lich King attacked, I sailed with the Horde to put an end to him and to ensure the natural resources of Northrend would be put to good use. To HORDE use! And then Wrathgate happened. This... this wasn't the Horde. Blight was... a thing, I guess, not a method I would ever use but neither would I deny its effectiveness. But to use it on our own troops? Even if it meant killing Arthas and bringing an end to the Scourge, that was unacceptable. But it was just a rogue faction, right? Just a bunch of lunatics who never forgave Arthas for what he did to them, and took matters into their own hands outside of the Horde leadership. Right? Right. ...Right! That's not my Horde! My Horde would never do that! And then Theramore happened. From the very first day I logged into World of Warcraft, I knew two things; I wanted to be an Orc, and I wanted to be a Warrior. Blood and Honor might be mere words to some, but to me they were the guiding light by which I played. I would attack Alliance players all the time, but I would never gank lowbies. I would never kill quest givers or civilian NPCs. I was a soldier of the Horde, proud to be one, and if I couldn't overcome an enemy with my axe and my determination then at least I died as I lived. With honor. I honestly believed that that was what it meant to be an Orc. But Theramore happened. There was no honor in that attack. In the aftermath, I didn't know what was worse... the fact that I had helped in allowing such an act to be carried out by manipulating my sense of honor and duty to the Horde, or the fact that my fellow Orcs cheered. I couldn't look at the Horde banner anymore with the same sense of pride, because this wholesale slaughter of innocents using a coward's weapon was something my compatriots CHEERED for. I couldn't believe that this is what my Horde had become. I wondered when it had happened, and wondered if it was always that way but I was too blind to see it. But no! No, that's not the Horde at all! I remember when Grom and Thrall faced down Mannoroth together, and together struck that demon the fatal blow that freed us of the curse! We had been tools of the demons for the worst of our history, little more than slaves to dark powers when we broke our home world apart and moved to Azeroth to do the same! Freed from the chains their tainted blood shackled us with, we returned to our old ways; respecting the elements and the world we live in, using our strength to improve the lives of not only ourselves but those who respect our right to live freely, and above all acting with honor! ...if that was true, why did we cheer? Were we truly free from the demon blood? ...did the demon blood even taint us in the first place? As time went on, I saw more and more of the Horde begin to resist Garrosh. I saw leaders rise against what he had done, what he was doing, and I saw common people of the Horde rise against him as well. Conspicuously absent among the dissenters were Orcs. The Tauren, Darkspear, Blood Elves, even some Goblins and Forsaken voiced concern over the direction the Horde was taking. For their trouble, Cairne was murdered and Vol'jin was imprisoned. Notably, the cooking trainer in Orgrimmar had an interesting daily quest; steal rice from the degenerate trolls. Even the common Orcs not associated with the military at all had nothing against Garrosh, and believed in his philosophy of Orc supremacy. We had forgotten all that we had accomplished when we worked together, and saw our allies as pawns to be sacrificed. We had forgotten Honor. When the time came to besiege Orgrimmar I stood with the rebelion. I stood with the Alliance, something that a few years previously would have sounded physically sickening. I was there to save my Horde from itself. And when the dust settled and the Iron Horde came crashing through the Dark Portal, I was strong in my belief that we were back on the honorable path. When the Burning Legion returned and Sylvannas ascended to the role of Warchief, I had my concerns but she had ever been an ally to the Horde and I was confident that she would at least act like she cared about honor. And then Darnassus happened. Once again a city full of innocent civilians was destroyed in an instant, all to serve the vanity of the Warchief. Then the Undercity happened, and Blight was once again used on our own troops in an attempt to kill the enemy king. Once again, my Horde was acting without honor. At least this time a prominent Orc leader was outspoken against those actions, but the common Orcs are just happy they get to have a war and don't give a single damn if there's any honor in it. I came to realize that my vision of the Horde was merely a deluded fantasy, and that I had fallen in love with my concept of what it meant to be Horde rather than the Horde itself. For the first time since I started playing all those years ago, I'm not maining my Orc Warrior this expansion. I'm not even playing the Horde side at all this time. When the next expansion hits, I might bring him out of retirement. If I do, I'm not doing a single quest in Zandalar or Kul'Tiras. I broke the troll princess out of prison in hopes that Saurfang might come with me, and that was more than enough to serve the Banshee Queen. Holy hell, was not expecting to write an essay there XD

[@TCFamas]

I see it like you even tho I began as alliance and later rerolled horde after theramore I was fed up with the horde but teldrasil was the one massacre too much and I'll newer play horde again!

[@HCSR2]

Theramore is a breaking point? Why? How is a bomb a coward's weapon? It's a weapon like any other. It's a war, ambushes are a thing, projectiles are a thing. People died and that's unfortunate but more lives could have been saved by winning the war quick and early than prolonging it. Horde lives. Until they added the enslaved civilians to SoO in the late stages of Beta, probably because even up to then people still supported Garrosh, until that happened Garrosh had literally done nothing wrong. He is and always will be the greatest Warchief, who fell betrayed by the cowards the green human Thrall allowed to infect the Horde. I'll never understand Horde players who feel bad about Garrosh, they strike me as those people with white guilt. There's nothing to feel guilty or bad about, Garrosh did what he had to for the Horde. But maybe it's because, much like I don't get people with white guilt feeling sorry for whatever it is their ancestors did to mine, I don't get Horde players feeling bad for fighting a war against my Alliance. It is a war. You do what you have to to win and I wouldn't expect any less. Wars aren't pretty and never will be. If you want to feel bad about anything feel bad that you killed your greatest Warchief and that led to now being ruled by the Lich Queen. Someone who literally wants both, you and us, dead. Good going. That aside you should quest in Zandalar, the new zone focuses on the trolls and not so much the Horde and much less on the Lich Queen. It's definitely worth doing to learn more about the Zandalari and Talanji is a great character. She's like Thrall but with a spine and not a hypocrite. Also the early War Campaign basically treats you like the new Scourge but the later quests and additions are about opposing the Lich Queen so you might like that too. BfA is pretty good when it comes to the story.

[@fumarc4501]

For the Horde!

[@dylanbrewer8605]

Nice man, i haven't been playing very long, a little more than a year, but still, i understand your message.

[@TheSuperRatt]

@@HCSR2 Spoken like an honorless rat. Lok'tar Ogar.

[@DiscipleToki]

It is odd that the leaders of the Horde had such an issue with this event yet here we are in BFA with a Warchief that has done far worse in literally burning children to death and raising Horde soldiers as undead scourge and somehow it's all cool. The story is broken. In BFA the 3 Horde leveling zones are great but the War Campaign feels as if it was written by a Warhammer fanboy who had no previous knowledge of WoW Canon.

[@try2loveyourself]

They weren't okay with it all though... lol. Are you okay? Do you need glasses or a hearing aid or something? haha. Maybe you skipped cutscenes? Or you have a warped, stupid definition of "they were cool," lol.

[@DiscipleToki]

​@@try2loveyourself No, on all accounts. This comment was written in an early patch of BFA. At that time there was little decent. I am a lore nerd no I not only don't skip cutscenes I read every quest. It is unwise to levy personal attacks against people when you disagree especially if you know nothing about them.

[@bottlegod4995]

You wanna know why they had no issue with sylvannas? Its simple, azerite.

[@TheCoastrunnr]

The book Jaina Proudmoore : Tides of War tells the story perfectly. I have been playing World of Warcraft since vanilla wow. I've only recently started getting in to the lore.

[@MasteroGaming]

I keep coming back to this video from time to time its insane how one's narration can make a story touch me so deeply

[@carrot651]

lol the first video in my up next tab is "Garrosh did nothing wrong" from Hiru

[@freddymeisner]

Carrot relevant 100%

[@freddymeisner]

Same here too

[@aleksakovinic7039]

Carrot I think it was April's Fools video :)

[@BenHyuga]

He literally did nothing wrong

[@vilkas640]

3rd down on my list lmfao.

[@nimb321]

19:49 every Horde Player remembers Garrosh as a Hero, as the best Warchief ever, so... yeah. Jaina SHOULD have razed Orgrimmar with every last orc inside and literally wash the smug grins off their faces. It would have been delicious to read all the Horde whining after getting a taste of their own medicine.

[@aleksnaidenov933]

Arthas's decision on purging Stratholme was right tho

[@Immagonko]

Yeah, because it turned out so well

[@Porkey798]

@@Immagonko Not because it turned out well, but because it was the best possible outcome

[@Immagonko]

@@Porkey798 turned out it wasn't

[@Porkey798]

@@Immagonko explain?

[@Immagonko]

@@Porkey798 after this Arthas went to Northrend and became the lich king

[@Local_Hobo]

No-one would ever mistake you for Thrall - Hamuul savage

[@Snowmeister96]

Local Hobo thrall was a loser

[@trololloolololollololol2737]

thrall is just a lair and a traitor

[@Zaicil]

"A scouting party of more than 30 Orcs" Actually, it's specifically said that there were exactly 25 orcs. She even counts them down as she's killing them

[@theefiiny7771]

ok

[@ewfurry6499]

alright

[@DankBeard19]

So happy to hear somebody to talk about lore without an accent

[@Warchiefaa]

DankBeard19 well, technically his ascent is that of your typical standard American accent. So yeah there is an accent here, maybe you don't consider it as such but the majority of the world does

[@DankBeard19]

Look at the flowers Peletier true its just easier for me to listen to. Not to be a dick but my ears arent well trained to all the accents. Lots of words running together etc. just easiee to digest

[@jjj123g]

to say american accent isn't an accent is a bit arrogant

[@imabigblackduck]

Wow, I come back to your channel after a long time. What I come to is a damn good lore video, good to see you again

[@freeze6148]

Jaina when thrall and Kalecgos are there: I wont kill unarmed innocents Jainina in dalaran: die blood elves

[@Whooachannel]

technically the blood elves she killed werent unarmed innocents. They were all mages.

[@freeze6148]

@@Whooachannel Not all blood elves in dalaran where mages, and even killing and imprisoning mages who have done nothing, but share a species with someone you suspect of a crime is still a terrible act.

[@darkwhispersstories47]

@@Whooachannel imagine blaming the barmaid for the bombing 🤣😂

[@hearthshieldgaming4475]

"Dont become another Arthas and kill innocent civilians in Orgrimmar!" Jaina: Okay. *Kills innocent Sin'dorei civilians at Dalaran instead.*

[@lkcdarzadix6216]

>Sin'dorei civilians >Innocent

[@thenerdbeast7375]

"Baine who was a badass and no wimp or coward" that statement didn't age well

[@christianweibrecht6555]

r/agedlikemilk

[@Cavemanryu]

"Sylvanas was opposed to starting an all out war with the Alliance".... --- A few Expansions later --- LETS BURN THE TREE AND START AN ALL OUT WAR. Good job Blizz for changing an interesting character into Garrosh 2.0 >:T

[@thinhvo3893]

Did you miss the part she only opposed it because of fear from a full frontal assault on undercity? They even address this in Before the Storm. Or you just choose to be a dumbass?

[@birb7866]

Lore from Nobbel and Krucial on the same day :D :D

[@giorgosvenetis9090]

This is an amazing video Krucial really good job! I love the way you tell us these stories and hope we will see even more !

[@patrickperalta59]

Garroash wanting to get rid of many top leaders and best they had to offer in the Alliance during the war is a smart move.

[@jennk3058]

I have never been so into the lore until BfA was announced. I've been studying the history more than I did our own in high school. Ready for the final exam! hahaha

[@Bretlu2010]

Great story telling! Really puts details and perspectives into the events. Very helpful to those who hasn't read the books. Graphic and music both work really well with the narration, it's like listening and watching a illustrated novel. Thanks for the hard work!

[@randomdude3412]

For those who think Garrosh did nothing wrong look further into garroshs past before making your statement. Garrosh used to be a great warrior of the horde in WotLK but when he was made warchief things started to go downhill. Garrosh immediately ignores everything Baine has to teach him even after Thrall told him specifically to do so. And he later complains that he was left with no one to follow and in thralls footsteps. (Btw the reason thrall left was to ultimately help save the world from the cataclysmic events due to the elements being angry.) But later on he took northwatch hold and deliberately waited many extra days before attacking theramore so that the alliance would send reinforcements. He then proceeds to bomb the city and he enslaves molten giants to help them. And remember that the one thing the horde values highest and above all is HONOR. Tell me is there any honor in bombing a city instead of taking it fairly or is there any honor in making molten giants be in a war that is between the horde and the alliance. Some people say it was necessary but was it necessary to later corrupt the lands of pandaria which was a place where they don't even belong and have no right to. He also attempted to kill there leader and he put nzoths heart into their pools. He also attempted to assasinate Voljin who was another huge friend of thralls. He even escaped his trial and had the horde and alliance attacked and killed. He then created the iron Horde and tried to take over the world...

[@angrywombat2379]

Random Dude You got so many things wrong in this post. Please do your research.

[@randomdude3412]

Giovanni Arena I've read all the books

[@xaviervega468]

LOL why would Garrosh listen to a guy who let the Quillboar set up shop a stone's throw from Thunder Bluff? (leaving starting Tauren players to have to deal with that mess) Why would he listen to someone who banished the Tauren of Vendetta Point for having the audacity to strike back after the destruction of Camp Taurajo? Baine has been an AWFUL chieftain.

[@patrickperalta59]

I would think in a war you want to capture or kill the leader or leaders of the group..basically take out as many of them as you can. that was the reason Garrash waited extra days. if you have no leaders then the rest of the army is in disaray and not focused... GArrash knew the Alliance would send their best to stop him and that is what he wanted.........figuring if he took them out then the rest of the Alliance would be easy to deal with..

[@Tyrantk2007]

The first person to say making Garrosh leader of the horde would be a bad idea was Garrosh

[@SJL6392]

12:01 that picture of Jaina is just heartbreaking.

[@gamwpanagia]

warms the heart

[@099Nitro]

I love seeing Jaina suffering. Witch.

[@good_death_for_the_lonely]

21:20 "The tide had turned" nice

[@kg2x632]

Scared the shit out of me 7:15

[@ToxicGamez]

haha I knew someone would say that

[@WhyNoSky]

I got scared the shit out aswell lmao

[@jreiland07]

D’OH!

[@markusdamon9200]

Guys Plottwist Jayna did not survive the blast through that Portal. She died and a Dreadlord took her place.

[@Warchiefaa]

Markus Damon not really that much of a plot twist

[@holczy0]

Is this a conspiracy theory?

[@decaygrim8943]

I wish I lived in a world “of Warcraft”. With magic spells and abilities and shit

[@robertserban2422]

We have our own magics,though they seem normal to us..imagine varian waking up in L.A one day and beeign like:"what is this marvel,is it made by the titans?"...so,we have our magic too

[@Luxai]

Say what you want about Garrosh, but it was about time somebody whopped the Alliance but good. It's so satisfying to see the self righteous, self proclaimed "good guys" get pwnd. Then they kinda made a 180 and reduced the Horde to a tool used by power hungry individuals (except Vol'Jin) while having the Alliance exploiting it to look cool. Pretty shitty continuation, I gotta say.

[@silvergiovanni5336]

Yea because the Horde were the Good guys for starting the 1st and 2nd war. And will also Start the 3rd war :DDDD The Horde made both the Alliance and Night elves hate them.

[@Luxai]

@@silvergiovanni5336 Lumping the old horde in with the new is the dumbest thing you can do.

[@silvergiovanni5336]

@@Luxai not unless the new orcs acts the same way as the new ones

[@Luxai]

@@silvergiovanni5336 Which only happened under Garosh's rule. The rest of the Horde opposed him.

[@Whooachannel]

@@silvergiovanni5336 yea because demon infused blood lust controlled orcs are totally the same as the modern/new horde and should totally be viewed in the same light with the same lens. that totes makes so much sense dude! /s if it wasnt obvious

[@_Lionsin]

Damn, u really bring the lore to life!!! Keep up the great work my man.

[@Uploaded1995]

This piece of story could have been better represented in the game, but it gives me more appreciation for Baine's character and constitution as well as the reasoning behind the rage Jaina feels.

[@volbla]

I was just trying to find out the deal with Jaina's hair and it led me here. I am glad.

[@atibamaule]

@22:08 If Bane only knew that the "True Horde" under the leadership of Blackhand and Guldan slayed innocents on Drenor. Garrosh's Horde resembled that.

[@TheWrathshadow]

And people are hating on her, she has all the reasons to hate the horde...

[@cainabel6356]

She has all the reasons to see that they all die. I mean, it would justify that the alliance destroy the orcs, only the orcs. They are compared to Nazis.

[@suuunrise]

she has a theramore of reasons to hate the horde not all the reasons.

[@kabrozkabroz]

The orc's are not comparable to Nazi's... only Garrosh's idealism was comparable to Hitler and that's as far as it goes. The orcs have actually been willing to work with other races, and considering the fact that Elves and humans (forsaken) were originally their enemies, but now make up a portion of their allies makes them different enough. They are also influenced by the peaceful, honorable Tauren, and nuanced trolls. Jaina still has justification to hate the horde for what happened. But that's because there are no clear determined bad guys in this situation that nobody is evil and everyones anger is justified.

[@zachsz9320]

markelino to hate Garrosh* not the horde.. Baine and the other didn't want this to happen..

[@jeramahia123]

Yeah, but she never has. That's what makes her character special - she sought peace when she had every reason to seek war. But her hating all the Horde, then calling Varian and Anduin weak, it's not faithful to her character and devalues all the amazing things she's done till now. Now all that's at stake is some tacked-on romance nobody cares about, while the amazing dynamics between her, Varian, Thrall, Baine, Tyrande and Anduin are completely sidelined.

[@Rubytyr]

Great vid! thanks for taking the time to put this together - I quit after wotlk, so when I came back I was confused at her demeanor, lol.

[@theblackdagger4566]

“I will not harm civilians.” *Looks at Purge of Daloran* Sssuuuure.

[@IVPixel]

Jaina only harmed the ones that put up a fight the rest was arrested or ice blocked and carried off to the violet hold but the game won't show that of course because blizzard being blizzard

[@blazikaan]

you get so much great art in your vids, keep it up man!!

[@guardian9m]

Krucial you did a really great work here. am so impressed. I love you're video and the way you made it. Thank you,

[@maxspoonemore3099]

Lots of cool background here for those of us that havent read the books thanks for making these kind of videos

[@youtubeuser9496]

This is one of my favorite lore moments in MoP

[@wiljosabre]

Came here after creating my first ally char on wow and starting BFA quest story mentioning Prodmoure at Theramore, nicely done man!

[@Mysticomega]

Took me three sittings to finish it but i'm very glad I did. Good work! I was hooked

[@TizerakYT]

I really don't know why they wrote Garrosh in this direction. He was supposed to be a "better" Grom.

[@artturonkainen2521]

TValoryn because

[@gamwpanagia]

too man for [current year]

[@Jbcblack]

He was, Grom was a pussy

[@ddrakcorviss9166]

(Hordie here) I remember when I first saw this and still I don't hate Garrosh for the bombing. It was a military target, and logical to attack the fortress from a strategic standpoint. However the burning of teldrasil was pointless and an actual slaughter.

[@Anthony-eo3ro]

Even if it was a military target, using the focusing iris to nuke it was cowardly and evil, they should have just attack it and conquer it the normal way, because of what they did, Orgrimmar was one step away from being wiped out.

[@obi289]

Dude I love these videos I wish they made a tv show for wow like game of thrones and tell the story from start to finish for like 5 years

[@patrickperalta59]

while many felt what Garrosh did was wrong........ the idea of waiting and getting as many of the top alliance people in the war who could lead the alliance into one area was a smart move.....

[@DannyIvan86]

Excellent story-telling!

[@DannyIvan86]

Almost a year later, my words still hold true.

[@Pengroves]

This shit is so good. Incredible job. It's stories and storytelling like this that give me hope for Warcraft movies. I want to see this as a feature, my goodness.

[@ajshdhenskaka]

Garrosh did nothing wrong. The game's decline lines up perfectly with Garrosh's playing less of a role in the world.

[@mikeylejan8849]

Bombing of Theramore and Burning of Tedrassil, the Horde has made great crimes that cannot be forgiven.

[@kaneslives]

Boooo whoooo.... Kek.

[@Jbcblack]

Those were both reasonable

[@AleksaiAugment]

This vid makes me more hyped for what next expansion may be.. Kul'tiras!!!11!

[@vegaskatus]

Thank you so much for filling in the holes in my understanding

[@YAH93]

Same. I never knew the lore around the destruction of Theramore, and why Jaina turned evil after it. Now I do, and honestly, I can't blame her.

[@Aerophina]

Garrosh was smart not to tell anyone. He fooled those who conspired against him and still managed to achieve victory against the Alliance. The Horde has never been quite as strong as it was when he was Warchief.

[@Elmacheto]

Tides of War is amazing. It was my first Warcraft book... and not my last!

[@thinhvo3893]

This is why I love MOP lore, the political tension in MOP were great and excellent. The character were so much more dynamic. Compare this to legion where the bad guys just "I will destroy your puny world" and the good guy "I will sacrifice everything and I'm this generic edgy one liner"

[@thinhvo3893]

dianna k I didn't even mention anything about Illidan. It just obvious that MOP story telling were ten times better than legion. Nothing in legion in term of story is remotely engaging. Not to mention, I haven't watch Krucial video in a while.

[@thinhvo3893]

dianna k That is the line of a hundred demon hunter. Even Altruis said it he is super anti-Illidan and his bullshit. I have not comment on Kurcial video since the thrall meet his parent. Your comment is false.

[@godotlettice2938]

Kinndy: Miss Jaina.. I don't feel so good...

[@slashzrPWN]

Im an Alliance player by heart, but dude, Garrosh is what a Warchief is SUPPOSED TO BE. Fucking fierce, savage, brutal.

[@owenbisal8007]

Deathcoldan exactly the real horde was before a non orc led it varok should be the leader

[@paulromero2937]

Deathcoldan Thrall horde>slaves of the demons

[@martinsgakke]

Yep. That's what I say. A bad warchief, but a warchief.

[@sonnyankou8720]

I'm a horde player and... no he isn't. Garrosh would've been the end of the horde because he was RECKLESS, exactly what a Warchief SHOULDN'T be.

[@martinsgakke]

He was a bad warchief yes....But still he led his people to conquest, like a Warchief would. The Horde has never had such a powerful grip on Azeroth.

[@papabonedaddy4116]

This is why I love Jaina…. Even though she had every right to retaliate the way she wanted to.... She could still be reasoned with. Garrosh however....Anyone that spoke out against him was silenced.

[@HildrTV]

She killed innocents also

[@stepanpytlik4021]

@@HildrTV She didn't

[@HildrTV]

@@stepanpytlik4021 I think you need to brush up on your lore then if you think she didnt. She rven admits it in this expansion....

[@stepanpytlik4021]

@@HildrTV She never killed innocents, unlike the Horde murderers

[@HildrTV]

@@stepanpytlik4021 she litterly admits she did in this expansion wtf you talking about

[@veliice6121]

Please do more lore videos like that... It is so fun to watch

[@Zansirtheshaman]

This video is so good, keep on the good work man.

[@FAUVEisediting]

I love your vids, I can't wait to be in another timeline, you know, when you will have cover EVERYTHING. :D

[@samt1903]

Hah wow I was looking into your channel and was wondering why you haven't uploaded anything in a while. And just a few minutes ago I decided to check before bedtime and guess what, you'll keep me awake a bit longer ;)

[@lunar5842]

Recently came back to WoW since WotLK and I was blown away by Jaina's story in BFA. Watched this video to learn more about what happened at Theramore and suddenly her cold reception at Kul Tiras hits like 1000x times harder 💔💔

[@Theblazinghedgehog09]

The sad thing is just how much this entire event contradicts what Garrosh used to stand for. Recall the quest "To Be Horde.." which is the final quest in Stonetalon mountains. Where after Orc General Krom'gar had blown up a night elf druid school, with innocent lives still inside for both a Tauren Cliffwalker and the player to watch. Though after the act is committed, Garrosh appears from a portal from Orgrimmar, his men killing Krom'gar's and then Garrosh begins to lash at Krom'gar for his actions. Garrosh, shaming his own General for destroying the land of Stonetalon mountains, and murdering innocent lives not involved in the battle. After lines and lines from Garrosh remarking on the atrocities committed by Krom'gar, he then delivers a line inspired by Varok Saurfang. "Honor Krom'gar, no matter how dire the battle, NEVER forsake it" (this is also the 6th line on Krucial's 100 epic WoW lines Pt 2). After dropping Krom'gar off a cliff, he then takes pity on the Tauren cliffwalker for all the torture that Krom'gar put him through, and remarks how he taught Garrosh, and then gives the cliffwalker his respects. THIS is the Garrosh I believe in, fighting with honor so that the races of the Horde can survive and overcome the agony that each of them face. To fight not for blood or hatred, but for survival and glory so that the Horde will prevail over the cruel hand they have been dealt in life. So that no Alliance, Demons or Old God worshiping scum will prey upon them like cattle, but with... the destruction of Theramore I suppose it wasn't meant to be. That is the horde I stand with and fight for, LOK'TAR OGAR!!!

[@youcefrazorblade9678]

Shrek is a Casual, great Video Dr.Justin.

[@yoshimitsu8922]

Sick video, never knew the full story

[@heavymetal_warrior]

Loved this vid. Hope your back gets better.

[@martinsgakke]

Garrosh is a tactical monster and a strategic disaster. A master when it comes to destroying his enemies, and an imbecile when it comes to forging and strenghening alliances. A a great commander but a bad leader, who would not cower or take shit from the Alliance as Vol'jin and Thrall did. A bad warchief, but yet the last true warchief. For Doomhammer, for Hellscream! Lok thar Ogar!!

[@ilikepiedontu]

And none of this was ever explain in game while cataclysm was relevant... everything would have made much more sense. The reasoning for Garrosh choosing his actions against the Alliance, and the reasoning for Jaina turning out to be bat shit insane, all while in game. Many people didn't read the books so almost every action made by major characters were so jarring it made the story feel incomplete and disjointed.

[@Usagi33353]

9 months late but this happened after Cataclysm so they could only add it during MoP, which they did

[@JoeSmith-sl9bq]

Of all the things that Garrosh did and were not wrong, this is the most not wrong.

[@michaelbowman6684]

Super-duper late, but here we go: >Theramore was a city _designed_ for peace, but was never actually used as such. >Builds roads for the Alliance, supplies the Night Elves, spies on the Horde, several military plans were discovered detailing how to destroy several key Horde locations because the Kolkar stole them from Theramore, and has a naval-barricade around Ratchet preventing any Horde ships from docking. >Thrall puts Garrosh in charge of the Horde. >Varian "turns" Theramore into a "full-on" military stronghold in retaliation. >Garrosh destroys the Aliiance military base that has been pestering the Horde and aiding the Alliance. And people act surprised.

[@johnnydemo7585]

Really well done video! Awesome job!

[@Jhajjasj]

Wait why not mention how Jaina's forces attacking barrens and Durator? or how they plan to create a road though barrens to night elfs? Wasn't that the main reason for the attack?

[@alexjones9970]

Amandeep Jhajj Lore wise that was supposed to be a counter offensive against Garrosh's aggression on Ashenvale.

[@Jhajjasj]

And Ashenvale War was the horde reaction to being cut off from core supplies from Ashenvale when NE stopped trade over something the horde was not responsible for....

[@alexjones9970]

Amandeep Jhajj That doesn't matter. Ashenvale belong to the alliance. Not to mention there was supposed to be a negotiation between the Tauren and the elf over that issue but it was interrupted by the Twilight hammer orcs. Regardless instead of pursuing diplomatic solution, which Jania and Anduin could easily sway Varian to do it, they went to war instead.

[@Teemo6544]

Dhulla Okay so if your neighbors refuses to trade with you, you respond by attacking them?

[@Tyrantk2007]

If you need wood, you get wood.

[@dylanbrewer8605]

Who's the forsaken guy that keeps showing up in this vid, was he like the 2nd in command of the forsaken or something? Or 3rd? Sylvanas, Nathanos, this guy?

[@samuelspeller2641]

many nice photos in this video....gj kruical

[@patriousthefallenknight3185]

Garrosh did the right thing by bombing that area

[@radekkaiser2482]

You know Jaina isnt innocent in this she was supposed to be neutral but she was actively helping aliance. As a horde player you can find plans on attacking razor hills and other locations in durotar ogrimar inluded before bombing happend she even launched an attack on baine to secure mulgore but the attack was stoped by taurens building a wall leading to mulgore that was after she helped him against grimtotem but before bombing. There is much more like sending theramore fleet to rachet to blokade horde this failed they mistook highelf ships for bloodelf ships. I am not saing that garrosh was right but the bomb didnt just came out of nowhere and jaina ist innocent wictim in this

[@talrasha1985]

lol, she was Alliance. Read book before cata. And NE were her allies. Hodies savages attactked them and she helped.

[@KingOfMilfgaard]

Thrall has some fucking nerve trying to stop Jaina, every crime Garrosh committed is on his head for giving him the mantle of Warchief

[@Anthony-eo3ro]

On the bright side, Jaina would have killed Varian and alliance soldiers survivors, you can only imagine how Anduin and the rest of the Alliance would feel about that.

[@mafiablokes]

Gotta give it to Garrosh...he's creative as fuck!

[@carlcard7]

Awesome, thanks for doing this video, now I know what happened....

[@NewGuy2534]

Jaina: Another Theramore can never happen again. Also Jaina: PURGE DALARAN!!!

[@XxXDemonhunter]

This story always makes me shed some tears.Jaina was well justified for her rage...

[@Jbcblack]

No she wasn’t

[@XxXDemonhunter]

@@Jbcblack why you say that? Garrosh took everything from her. It was time she took everything from him.

[@levgar5457]

Krucial you should do a what if video where you talk about what if Garrosh won the siege of Orgrimmar.

[@cainabel6356]

Then that would be the end of WOW.

[@coltmesser5449]

The bombing of theramore reminds me of the pearl harbor attacks, or maybe the bombing of Hiroshima.

[@tylerrochester8496]

Colt Messer japan getting nuked

[@LordRevanthePowerful]

that's why I don't play as horde they're evil just like the movie Warcraft depicts them

[@lucasmac15]

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were warned

[@dariushfarvahar781]

lucasmac15 ... oh yeah that justifies such an act :)

[@DarkMage501]

Typical conservative dumbfucks on youtube. Nuclear warfare is never justified.

[@e.r.a.a.7426]

Great job, really enjoyed it!

[@grumpysmurf127]

people conveniently leave out that the horde was starving and the nightelves refused to trade with them. the twilights hammer sent orcs to sabatoge the peace talks and everyone racistly assumed sense it was orcs that garrosh did it. all the horde racial leaders hated him and he couldnt let everyone starve. so he got resources the best way orcs know how, taking it. was garrosh a great guy? no, but he was more of an average guy in a tight spot.

[@kaseyfife5126]

Geezus GOD! THANK YOU! I mean REALLY!

[@stewart672]

Are you going to do a follow up video/videos finishing the whole SOO story line?

[@Necroionutwiz]

War ... war never changes

[@tleo7806]

Garrosh cares nothing but the destruction of the Alliance even it means countless unnecessary death of his own allies and his fellow orc soldiers even cheer out without realizing that they are just pawns who are ready to be spent anytime for Garrosh's retarded plan which ultimately led to his own death. The cinematic in which Thrall kills Garrosh, it could've been more satisfying if Jaina is there killing that scum. For those of you who don't know much about Jaina, i am telling you ,without Jaina, the horde wouldn't even exist in the first place for it was Jaina who paid ultimate sacrifice and that is against her own father for the peace on Azeroth which eventually led to her father's doom. Jaina even helped Thrall to free Grommash's bloodlust caused by pit lord Mannoroth. Considering all things that Jaina has contributed to the horde and looking at what she got in return is really heartbreaking. Garrosh is nothing but piece of scum with no honor and virtue. Booming the shit out of Theramore was how that bastard repaid someone who saved his father. And somehow there are people state that Garrosh has done nothing wrong. Well, I feel sorry for those people for our technology isn't advanced that much to be able to replace a broken brain.

[@thinhvo3893]

T Leo I loved that he was so ignorant about Threamore that he forgot about the Focusing Iris which Jania would have fuck the Horde a billion times over if Thrall wasn't there.

[@angrywombat2379]

T Leo Garrosh was a brilliant tactician and warrior, and without the help of vol'jin and baine would have destroyed the alliance at the seige of orgrimmar. Lorthemar and sylvannas wouldn't have turned traitor, and the alliance would be crushed as it was by the orks in the seige of storwind. His problem was he lost the loyalty of his people. His power was absolute, until he was betrayed. An amazing plot, that shouldn't have ended by thralls hand

[@thinhvo3893]

Giovanni Arena Nah, the alliance would have crush ogrimmar regardless. They were the one who took the beach and broke down the gate of ogrimmar canon wise.

[@angrywombat2379]

Thinh Vo But if garrosh had more forces that wouldn't have happened. Also the bombing of theramore taking so many lives happened becuase baine told jaina to bring reinforcements, becuase he was angry garroshed enslaved some 6 elementals, but jaina enslaves over 200 and he is fine with it. Baine is a coward, who doesn't belong in the horde

[@thinhvo3893]

Giovanni Arena Garrosh WANTED BAINE to told to Jania. He knew that would happened. Varian would not have send that many forces to defend Threamore if he wasn't inform of the situation and he couldn't possibly expect the arrival of Dalaran. Jania have to tried her very best to convicted the Council of Six to join and fortified Threamore.

[@Doomlovesearth2]

Daelin Proudmoore was right.

[@MegamnZero]

Hello! May i know the sources you used to pack up all the story of it?

[@KageNoTenshi]

Tactically it was beautifully play, masterful use of strategy

[@hirumaredx]

Garrosh did nothing wrong

[@angrywombat2379]

hirumaredx Still one of your best videos

[@worldslayerdeatheatercomeb7006]

This fuckin guy

[@randomdude3412]

hirumaredx it's funny the amount of people that take your video about that seriously lol. Like if you actually read the books you will probably love garrosh for being a "bad guy" or hate him for being a "bad guy" :)

[@MrCaptnrex]

Besides the fact in the raid of orgrimmar you see theramore CIVILIANS tied to walls with arrows in them and the survivors you rescue (the ones that haven't been forced to kill each other yet) telling you they can't leave cause they have their CHILDREN? www.wowhead.com/sound=38568

[@MrCaptnrex]

PHNeutre49 because hiru he's a video titled that

[@herodontus]

Where can I find some of the artwork you used in your video? There is no link in the description or the name of the artist and piece on the images themselves.