Toyota 4runner is overrated.

The 5th generation Toyota 4runner is a very popular vehicle and I can't figure out why. Come with me for a drive on the highway to see what I'm talking about. The poor gas mileage and lack of power are the greatest mystery to me. Why are people so attracted to something with such poor fuel economy and poor braking. The 4runner brakes are notoriously soft and that's another reason why I think the hype over the 4runner has to have something more than just performance.
Here's a link to the suspension life I put on the 5th gen 4runner:
• 4Runner Lift (UNSPONSO...

[@improbability]

They're overrated like the Glock 19 is overrated. Is it amazing at anything? No. But it's capable, durable, reliable, affordable, and ubiquitous enough to have a thriving aftermarket. And it looks cool.

[@deanrotering879]

Very good analogy.

[@ncd7184]

@@deanrotering879except the affordable part

[@caelatkins9317]

Affordable???

[@improbability]

⁠@@caelatkins9317Affordability is relative. What comparable competitors are more affordable? The 5th gen has been around for 10 years, the market has been wild since Covid, but would you really say it’s been overpriced relative to the overall market over its lifetime?

[@chrisc2535]

@@improbability Two words, fuel economy.

[@Garagedrummer]

Got a 2005 with 95k miles, all stock and drives like a dream! It’s like an old pair of Levi’s. Perfect!

[@jonc2914]

2005 is seriously underpowered what are you smoking?

[@jxn0010]

My 4Runner is one of my most favorite vehicles ever.

[@pragmatist7455]

The greatest things about this car have nothing to do with how it drives ironically. They made a zillion of these, so parts are plentiful and cheap on the aftermarket and will continue to be for decades. Designed to be under stressed, the engine will run forever under normal care. As of 2024, I would say it is the most reliable engine you could possibly get new. Lastly, working on this car is a pure joy, everything is designed to be accessible and there's ample room. I slide under there without jacking it up and can do all the fluid changes no problem. The engine bay has tons of room to work as well. Styling on every model up until the 5th gen is just right; not too over the top. The interior looks and feels great and solidly built all around (at least in my Pro). Sadly it's now an end of an era for these types of cars.

[@RinkVideo]

Very true! I don’t love taking the skid plate off to change oil but just rolling under with no jacks is such a treat. I agree this generation will be around forever with unlimited amount of parts. 👍

[@Yoyomanmanholla]

If you are not keeping it long term none of those benefits are relevant

[@Anomize23]

@@Yoyomanmanholla then keep leasing a car and keep throwing that money down a pit. Sounds like long term rentals is a favorite thing to do nowadays because people enjoy throwing their money away on things they don’t even own. let them deal with their insurance inspection after getting a new car wasting even more money. The only sucker here is the one that’s losing more money than the car is worth when you don’t even own it. But that’s my take on it when I used to do sales. 😜

[@Yoyomanmanholla]

@@Anomize23 for some people the cost of swapping new cars are worth it. World doesn’t revolve around your personal experiences 🤷‍♂️ . If you are poor, yes such behaviors are not advisable

[@michaelschmidt5444]

Well I have a 5th Gen 2024 and I LOVE it. I traded my 2022 Tundra for it you know the one with all the engine issues I will say no more on that issue. I have also had Diesels all of them from the big three. You know what I don't deal with, with that 4runner Def fluid and re-gens. Mine gets 18 miles to a gallon and I will take it all day long, because I am sure as the sun will rise in the east tomorrow morning that this six Gen 4runner with its turbo charged four cylinder engine will not be able to hold a candle in long term dependability to the 5th gen!!!!!!!

[@stevenm6301]

You are in the very small minority on this one.

[@RinkVideo]

Trust me I know! The 4Runner has to one of the most loved vehicles of all time.

[@glennhibben7757]

Hardly,I have a v8 grand cherokee that runs circles around my wives 4 runner

[@stevenm6301]

@@glennhibben7757 Cool. You are also in the small minority. Everything runs circles around CDJR.

[@purleybaker]

I honestly thought it was satire.

[@blazecarr]

I used to have the 05 v8 4runner. Loved it. Wish I still had it because of the power with the v8. Was no dog like the v6 4runner.

[@invalidonlineid]

5th Gen 4Runner looks/behaves/performs best in its factory stock height 🏆

[@timgibson3754]

Yep he shouldn't have jacked it up

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

Usually. Most of these bro dozer guys have no idea what they are doing. As long as the lift is 2" or less its good. After that, just go long travel

[@tccycling]

I bought a '23 TRD Pro this year. The 5 speed is definitely a dog. It guzzles gas. But that's not why you buy a 4Runner. You buy one because it is actually fun to drive (maybe not on the highway), it goes off road no problem, It's very roomy for the size, and it's the most reliable vehicle you can buy right now. Plus, the aftermarket is massive for 4Runners. I've driven many full size trucks and SUVs that had worse breaks than the 4Runner. I drove German cars for years. They are awesome to drive. I'm just sick of all the glitchy electronics and massive repair cost. 4Runner till the wheels fall off for me.

[@Ben-g3s1t]

Toyotas are popular because they’re reliable and very off-road compatible. That’s it. Your 4-Runner will last at least twice as long as your brother’s p.o.s. Ford. Also, there is no way he gets 20 mpg on his F-350.

[@rile_up]

I have a 2003 with 327k miles. Ridiculously smooth ride. just got back from a 7k mile US road trip. I absolutely love it. Also the V8 gives me all the reward points for gas.

[@tims708]

215 K on mine. I can't believe how tight this thing still is. Many, many, miles off pavement. I'm a believer.

[@0naquest]

At 1:00 in the video, his complaint is a lack of power. It's a trade-off for a low-strung, simple, old-school, rock-solid, reliable drive train.

[@mitral5333]

As an "old man" who has owned many vehicles, my 2015 4runner trail is at or near the top of my list of best vehicles. I've owned Ford, Chevy, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Volkswagen. If you want a vehicle to cruise at 80mph on the interstate and you buy a 4runner, the problem is you, not the vehicle.

[@RinkVideo]

Fair

[@xxtm72xx63]

^ To each their own man, my 2017 4runner isn't great on the highway, I agree 100%. Now, I love my 4runner and it does everything else I want it to but it lacks in power. Try super charging it and see if that helps, not cheap at all though lol

[@DJR33333]

I don’t mind mine on the interstate. This thing does well cruising in that 65-75 mph range - that’s when it gets the best gas mileage. If you need to do a lot of merging onto highways and need a vehicle that accelerates quickly, this is not the one. Or if you’re trying to go 80 and get there in a hurry - not the one. For easy highway cruising, this does fine.

[@Anomize23]

@@xxtm72xx63 while it is under powered, put it in Smode like I do and you’ll get more throttle response and down shifting your own gears well give it that slight boost. Again, that’s on the driver to know how to shift and get more power. I drive mine like it’s a sports car, but without a clutch 😉

[@Thankyou_3]

The 5th generation 4Runner is purpose built to provide a reliable service for demographics that wants no gimmicks and good old fashion driving dynamics. If you are looking for performance with good gas mileage, towing capabilities, fast acceleration and fast braking…the 4Runner is not the vehicle for you….but if you are looking for good old Toyota vanilla cake that will literally last 2 decades in the rust belt area and 4 decades in Arizona, there is no other vehicle can touch it. Even the brother Lexus GX can come close to 4Runner with simplicity and reliability of that 4.0 V6.

[@iruleyounow]

As an owner of a 06 Tacoma, all this applies, and I wholeheartedly agree! I have a leveling kit and stock-size AT tires. If I'm lucky, I may get 17mpg. Don't even get me started on the horrible cruise control. The brakes are all brand new, with a new master cylinder and rears fully adjusted. The pedal grabs at about halfway, and then it's a sponge. If there's head wind or any wind for that matter, the front end tracks back and forth. That's with a brand-new TRD suspension too. I've had it for 10 years and never seen a check engine light. It has been absolutely bulletproof, so I get why everyone loves them. I do love the truck for being so dependable but my god does it suck lol. I keep it on the side as I run through projects and flips. The prices now are so outrageous. My truck is worth about 13k right now which is what I paid for it when I bought it. I would never recommend someone spend so much for the Tacomas/4Runners. Much cheaper options out there that will be almost as reliable. Very overrated vehicle. Outdated the moment they rolled off the line. The cabin noise is also crazy compared to a lot of other vehicles in their class.

[@frankiee1140]

One of the best vehicles you can buy.

[@margehernandez9902]

Great video! Do you have any clunk noise, usually under 5mph? Thanks

[@RinkVideo]

@@margehernandez9902 thank u. I do not have clunk noise.

[@kimbuck-2]

​@@RinkVideoDo you want one? 😂

[@donrob4058]

5 of my co-workers are driving 4Runners and two have the TRD package. I drove one and oh my god do they lack power and torque. The exterior style is cool but eh.. I decided to buy a truck and it was my first time of buying one in my lifetime. I chose a 2013 GMC 5.3 with 70K miles, short bed with a towing capacity of 10,300lbs and love it LOL No replacement for displacement

[@AWDfreak]

Brake issue can be solved with a different brake lining compound. Otherwise, the Toyota 4Runner is wildly-unsuitable for most of its prospective buyers and current owners. It makes sense to have a Toyota 4Runner if one needs reliable off-roading on the regular with a mid-sized SUV.

[@Jenna08848]

3rd and 5th gen in our family, We love em. You might have bumped yer noggin a we bit. My 2016 F150 got 17 on the highway and 15 in town soft footing it. Yer brother be playing with you

[@RinkVideo]

I might have bumped my head a few times 😂

[@jessemorgan7007]

We have a 5th and 3rd gen in our family as well and we love both!

[@troyturner6498]

as a 4runner guy and owner of an 07 w 270k miles and a '23...i totally understand your points and see that perspective perfectly. but my pavement princess doesnt need a lift kit or to tow a pontoon. just a trailer every so often and a jetski while my truck takes care of the pontoon. im in it for the longevity and stumbled into the 4runner cult. im here to stay but can take the honest criticism.

[@RinkVideo]

@@troyturner6498 I appreciate you Troy! Great perspective ✌️

[@rickreyn9242]

I’m on my second 5th generation. Traded my first 2013 at 120,000 miles (no maintenance costs except oil changes) for 2020 TRD Pro with 4K miles. Now at 60K miles. The pro comes with the suspension mods. Everything you said is true, but I could still be driving this at 200K miles and counting. My job requires a bit of off-roading to inspect properties. That where it shines.

[@philiptaylor2567]

Just out of curiosity, how much did that ford super duty cost?

[@dougfrommaine]

@rinkvideo hah hah, I'm glad i watched to the end, because your conclusion was just right, and exactly how I feel about it: it does suck, but it's great! My wife got a '24 this summer, and she'll be driving it 20 years from now.

[@RinkVideo]

@@dougfrommaine appreciate you Doug! I’ll do a 15 year update video in 2040 😂

[@Nexgeninfi]

Bought my first 4R in 2023 and it lacks performance in every aspect acceleration, braking, body lean but it makes up for it in durability and reliability, turning radius is excellent for a vehicle its size. Somehow it just feels Good, no feels Right when driving it. So I bought another 2024.

[@george2pak]

I have been trying to make Toyota put some diesel engines in the Tacoma and 4Runner. You are 100% right about the breaks, power, and fuel consumption. My 2018 X5 xdrive35d gets 27 MPG and will pull 5k pounds without a sweat.

[@RinkVideo]

@@george2pak case in point! 👍

[@bigriver3278]

Tacoma guy here and you're right about highway travel & performance....with an emphasis on ground clearance and geared for lower speeds, no airflow skirting....yes, terrible gas mileage. However it's perfect for small towns, short commutes, backcountry access, tight trails, ski hills, river/creek/lake access, small parking lots, great for towing rafts, sleds, 4wheelers & carrying bicycles, kayaks, skis, RTTs, backpacks and backcountry gear, but not too big to yank or dig out by yourself, things work, the Toyota badging isn't falling off, it doesn't smell like a super-fund cleanup site or burn/leak fluids, I can change the oil & filter for $50 in 25 mins and DYI most maintenance plus, there's thousands of aftermarket/junkyard parts, etc.... Since driving Toyotas exclusively in the early 90s I've never been stranded unlike my Jeep Comanchee and Chevy Impala of yesteryear. We currently own '17 Tacoma (previous Tacoma was a '03), my wife's '02 4Runner and my lawn business truck a 2000 Tundra flatbed conversion and I'd take any of the three on a roadtrip tomorrow. We own all three and we're not rich....what's more is, I don't even have to lie about this! If you want the smoothest, biggest, baddest or loudest....don't get a Toyota....but if you want an absorbantly expensive, complicated, smelly, noisy nightmare go fall for that Ford super-duty. I know yer smarter than we give you credit for, after all you needed some clickbait, but just notice what you see stranded on the side of the roads....all in good fun!! Peace

[@TrblMaker4x4]

Idk what's wrong with your brakes, but I have zero issues on my 24 ORP... Barely have to touch them, stops very well. Ya Toyota cruise control sucks, always has. Driving without it, the vehicle performs much differently. Yup they are not good on gas lol. They don't tow much.. lol But it's way more reliable than almost every other vehicle. The size is perfect. Shorter wheelbase than a 4 door jeep, but more room inside than a jeep or a bronco. Are they over-hyped? Naw, because they do exactly what they claim, and rarely break. I mean we could say every vehicle is overwhelming really.. you love the f150 and lots of people do, but I would not own to save my life. To each their own. 100% Love the video though and the style of your videos. 👍👍

[@RinkVideo]

@@TrblMaker4x4 perfect comment! I appreciate you YodaBro 👊

[@eartha911]

I bought a new Trail Premium in 2016 for my retirement. She just turned 9 and I have 11,500 miles on her. She's not my first 4Runner, but will probably be my last. She's like an old saddle that will last a lifetime. I've owned 6 Porsches, gobs of other European rides, and U.S. born pickups. This is the best vehicle I've ever owned. The brakes work very well in an emergency! Try it. This 'dog' will hunt for the long haul.

[@eartha911]

P.S. I just got offered more than I paid for her new. Good dog.

[@RinkVideo]

@@eartha911 let’s trade for a Porsche!!!! 😂 That’s awesome to hear that a true car guy loves Toyota. ✌️

[@RinkVideo]

@ hey question for you! Seeing as you have incredibly low miles on your trail, how often do you change the oil?

[@ThunderRunner]

Had a very similar experience… I had a 2012 that I bought heavily used and was so impressed with how it had held up after 100k miles I got another 2021… over time road tripping it drove me mad because of the transmission. That was my #1 complaint, was the trans, needed at least the 6 speed from Toyota. The downshifting isn’t a huge deal if the gears are closer together, but better if it had an 8 spd. For the price there are just so much better options for MOST people, and unless regularly using it off road I think most people should pick something else.

[@RinkVideo]

@@ThunderRunner Thunder bringing the truth! Well said 👊

[@patricklambert5810]

Having put 275,000 miles between a 2010 and 2016 (both built trucks) I found it to be amazing and enjoyed getting in them every single day for over 14 years. I ended up in a GX 550 to see what power was like.....but will it last 9 years and 150K....TBD

[@chefjoel68]

I have an '05 4runner v6 that I bought almost 7 years ago with 192k on it for $5.5k!!! The og owner just had the head gasket replaced. In those 7 years, other than the usual maintenance, I have replaced the battery 3 times, that's it. I am currently at 317k miles. This thing goes everywhere and anywhere I have wanted it to in 9 western states and drive it very hard and usually well above the speed limit and on back roads it soaks up everything even with stock suspension at stock height. The vsc light comes off intermittently (turning off the traction control) but makes the drive off road that much more fun with drifting, etc. Wish I could permanently turn that shit off, honestly. I am about to replace the shocks/struts ( after 110k since the last change)with some bilstein 4100's (I do'n't need a lift) along with some other suspension parts. It corners very well and I have no issues with brakes. The usual mileage is 20 if I go 60-65, 18mpg at 70. Not terrible. I don't use the cruise unless I know the road is flat. Cruise is for the lazy honestly. There are far too many features nowadays in "sport UTILITY vehicles" than there should be as people have apparently gotten soft. I have washed it exactly 6 times in those 7 years cuz I live on a clay/dirt/gravel road in NM and it can never be clean. Maybe the 5th gen isn't as well built as the 4th, IDK.

[@socalbadger1]

People value reliability. The 4Runner symbolizes that over everything else. Looks good too.

[@iRECKONER]

The new gen will take care of the transmission gear hunting with the turbo, and hopefully they address the brakes as well.

[@pn312]

As a 5th generation 4Runner owner, I can reluctantly confirm, 😢, you nailed it.

[@pn312]

You forgot to mention… the headlights… at least pre-2021 lights… kinda suck too. I don’t know how well the newer LEDs run.

[@nickslater9499]

LED headlights in newer models are terrific.

[@pn312]

@@nickslater9499 Good to know.

[@jessemorgan7007]

I will be keeping my 5th gen for a long time as it has been a blast to take off road and does well as a daily driver! We also got a 3rd gen for our daughter last year and for being 23 years old and having 235,000 miles on it the thing feels just as solid as our 8 year old 5th gen with 63,000 miles.

[@RinkVideo]

Jesse the 4runner hype has gotten into your bloodstream 😂 😂. Jokes aside - I’m with you and gonna keep our 5th gen for a long time. I have a 10 year old boy who has no idea how cool a 5th gen will be when he’s 18 😉

[@gpaje]

I have a 2019 RAM Rebel, but recently rented a 2024 4Runner TRD Off-Road for a 300 mile round trip to the airport because it was raining and I didn't have a tonneau to protect the luggage in the bed. I will say, it does feel a bit "old school" in it's road manners, and the hood metal flexed and shaked at just 40 mph, but I get why people like them. The feeling this old carriage will last a long time, simple design & controls, mid-sized convenience, didn't feel that slow, and got me 20 mpg round trip, I wouldn't mind one of these as my beater car, in fact I've been looking to buy one since their depreciation is so low and the 6th gen is a question mark. I was looking at getting a Wrangler for some tighter trails my Rebel won't fit in, but will instead look for a 4Runner.

[@RinkVideo]

Extremely reasonable comment!

[@allynhill2331]

2008 with 190,000 miles. Never done anything but oil changes, brake pads and tires. Still runs and rides like the day I bought it. In fact, it gets better gas mileage now than when new. Quite sure I could still get $15K for it as well....

[@That-Guy-79]

I use sport mode and control the shifts myself. No problem there.

[@RinkVideo]

@@That-Guy-79 someone corrected me on here and said it’s called sequential mode! Pretty cool.

[@jeremychrist]

Love my 5th Gen T4R! I also prefer it on the trails, mud, snow, water, rocks. Pavement feels odd, some days ;)

[@chickhien]

big 4Runner fanboy here and your’re right about all your gripes. it’s a tank and I love it

[@finerbiner]

If you buy this to go around town or on road trips, you will think it sucks. It is not underpowered but it only has 5 speeds which make it suck on the Hwy. If you use it to explore the mountains like I do here in Colorado Springs, it is awesome, reliable and capable. Mine 17 has 145,000 miles and has been used pretty hard. Zero repairs. maintenance only. Right tool for the job is what you and your wife missed completely. You built a monster truck and use it to mall crawl. Stupid is letting you off easy.

[@skifishride438]

4Runner is like a cast iron pan. Always works, simple, tough, built to last, indestructible.

[@RinkVideo]

@@skifishride438 Lolol that’s a great analogy.

[@sean-sk]

i have a '24 4R and totally agree the constant hunting for a gear drives me nuts. Especially when towing a trailer. Needs a way of shutting off the overdrive. Also agree the brakes are not great either. Additionally, I don't like the fact radio (and phone calls) shut off when ignition is turned off instead of staying on until door opens. Lastly, why does it not have auto-headlights? They have to be manually turned on. But other than that, I still like it a lot. The build quality is excellent.

[@RinkVideo]

@@sean-sk I think the headlights are auto? I leave mine on and I think it takes a minute or two to shutoff. There’s a fan inside my lights I think and they need to cool off? I really don’t know.

[@sean-sk]

@@RinkVideo we leave ours on too. But they are always on. The don't turn on at dusk by themselves. It's a manual switch. But they will turn off after a few minutes when ignition is shut

[@seethingsclearlyawaken3424]

We had a 4RUNNER, 2001. It was a good vehicle, reliable, but a gas hog. it wasn't fast. Nothing special about it. I wouldn't buy another one.

[@joshuareid5999]

5th Gen TRD ORP owner here. Everything you said is 100% accurate. I love the truck to death and would buy another one tomorrow, but you’re not wrong with your points. Great video!

[@R3AP3R718]

Is like anything else, once something becomes cool.... everyone wants one. I think they are reliable and they are good for offroading.

[@Fr3d671]

I've always wanted one until I test drove a CPO 2023 TRD Off-Road Premium w/ KDSS since none of my local Toyota dealers had a brand new one in stock. 😅 I had to pass on it. Dreams crushed by reality

[@udaybajwa]

Even on small uphill grades it downshifts to 3rd gear in cruise control. I have gone over same hills in 4th gear no problem holding same speed without cruise control. It definitely has enough torque but in cruise mode feels like it just wants to skip over 4th straight down to 3rd and bugle.

[@IntoTheMystery13]

You aren't supposed to use cruise control on hills. I have an extra 800 pounds in mine at all times, and I manually shift to the 4th going up steep hills.

[@kyletennant4730]

Completely agree, bought a 24 TRD pro and sold it within 2 months.

[@tinabeane]

Good thing about the 4Runner is it will still be going at 500K miles, your wife has good tastes in vehicles. ;) I bought a 2023 because I'm not a fan of turbo and electric vehicles. New to your channel and still subbed although you dissed the Runner. I love the drive on freeways, set the cruise and let it do it's thing. :)

[@i_run_far1132]

I went from a GX460 to my 5th gen and yes, it struggles in the power dept, but it’s hard to have everything for $40k. Have you felt the power and brakes in a Grand Cherokee SRT?

[@LiL13izzy7]

Whenever i sense it getting ready to downshift, i take it off cruise control, then speed up to keep it in 5th until it gets over the hump. I get it though.

[@RinkVideo]

@@LiL13izzy7 lololol I do the exact same thing! Sometimes a guy just wants to set the cruise on a road trip and settle into a nice murder mystery podcast without having to manage the throttle.

[@gotmullets]

My 2018 doesn't have a sport mode.. people complain about road tire noise.. and the power in a stock runner... and handling even with aftermarket suspension.. I have absolutely none of these issues...my rig had king suspension..which my rig handles pretty comparable to my wifes Mercedes glc 300 suv.. My rig is way more heavy than a stock one.. as i have aftermarket sliders, steel wheels, bigger tires, big steel bumpers and a roof rack.. the power is decent for what engine it has.. yes I'm not racing anyone.. but i can keep up pretty fine.. and I can take most people off the line still.. my fuel economy is 13mpg unloaded fully loaded woth stuff and people that goes to 11mpg to 12mpg.. lol.. but i could care less about fuel economy.. On the road you are correct.. these rigs and even jeeps are not made to be city street or highway beasts.. they are more offroad champions even over silly fords, gmc, rams, or Chevy trucks... I enjoy my rig on the road.. I'm sure once the engine wears down a bit more and loses more power... I may end up annoyed.. but as for right now.. all is good. Plus we got the Mercedes..which is ok. Not great.. merely ok. Ofc the GLCs are mid anyway.. still better than a Honda though lol

[@klaw3397]

Is it possible to put the toyota tundra brake system on the air, the calipers of rotors.

[@elonsus9747]

The 3rd and 4th gens are my favorite. I have experience driving all 3. Including the 5th gen’s. The 3 and 4th gen’s feel more lighter and manageable in every day driving, they also feel quicker. Especially the 4.7 in the 4th gen. I also felt the interiors were “nicer” if you will. The dual vvti 4.0 which is different mechanically than single vvti 4.0 offered in the 4th gen 4Runner and 2nd gen Tacoma’s feels more eager and quicker imo. It’s probably weight and transmission mapping. Don’t get me wrong. A 4Runner is more reliable than anything else out there for the money I think.

[@billb81]

What would have been fair , would be to compare how it drove stock vs after you modified the suspension . Because the changes you made 3 inch lift , bigger rims and tires are going to effect your trans shifting , your gas mileage , ride quality , etc

[@RinkVideo]

@@billb81 I know I wish I would have done that! It’s so hard to get a real accurate comparison on mpg with weather and elevation etc. But I’d love to know the difference. Maybe I could find someone with a stock 4runner and we drive the same stretch of road on the same day to get a good comparison? The ride is nicer for sure.

[@nikosvasilakopoulos8993]

@@RinkVideo you need to regear after putting bigger tyres

[@Lamidnightsss]

Heres the thing. When you're in a rutt, out and about. In the middle of nowhere, or traveling far, carrying your family (espeically) you feel safe. You KNOW you'll make it there and back in something thats comfortable enough. Its not a TRX, or a bronco but its own thing. There is a reason why they cost so much, and the resale value is over the top. I've sat in other SUVS' and yeah the runner is lacking in tech, and even high end comfort. But for that, get a lexus, hyundai or acura. This truck is an "End of the world" truck lol Also most tech can be upgraded, and the power solution is a "Banks Pedal monster" or a super charger. That being said, its not perfect but its damn close! and yeah its slow.....as.....hell.

[@appalachhaun_adventures]

I know this is a 4Runner video….but my 2024 Tacoma TRD Offroad 6’ bed 4 cylinder turbo was at 2K RPM on the interstate at 80MPH up a long several mile hill. 🤷🏻‍♂️ 20MPG. Brakes are fine and a lot more touchy and better than the Gladiator I just got rid of. Maybe the new 2025 4Runner will be similar?

[@thebigempty_5792]

Yep, finally someone that calls it the way it really is. I had a 2013 Trail / same exact thing. I now drive a Tundra with the 5.7 and still antique 6 speed but at least it doesn't down shift on every slight incline and its much better on the highway.

[@jonesjones7057]

Man, my Tundra DOES downshift alot. I was surprised how much. Its a '19. Do you have stock tires? I have 295s so wonder if it's more sensitive to that than my Armada is. That thing holds overdrive to the death. I swear a moskito hits my windshield in the Tundra and it downshifts.

[@thebigempty_5792]

@@jonesjones7057 Mine is a 2015, I have 275/70/18 Falken Wildpeak AT4W / just had KO2's but I haven't notice mine downshifting too bad - gears 5 and 6 are pretty close, so if i'm driving around town, I will pop it over and put it in "4", that way it won't shift into 5 or 6 which is the "overdrive". Most people think the + - is a manual shifter but it's really a gear limiter, which means whatever number you have it in, it won't shift past that gear, but it will still downshift to gear 1 when stopping.

[@jonesjones7057]

@thebigempty_5792 I drive in a similar way. Usually limit it to 5th but yeah mine loves to give up on 6th on the highway so much I even limit it to 5th on the highway unless it's absolutely flat. Mines probably worse because of the 295s which is my doing, but nonetheless I am surprised how much it downshifts compared to my Armada. Toyota was really trying to wring out every 0.1 mpg on the programming.

[@Bdonsantoast]

Best bang for buck suv. No other company offers a vehicle that can be so good all around and reliable on top of that especially in the suv segment. What you need is an old excursion which I would also love to find a clean one to park next to my 4Runner

[@nickc3856]

Get it OTT tuned. It'll be the best mod you've ever done. A completely new driving experience

[@brianbgood]

It takes a brave soul to go against the grain. I agree with you. It’s a body on frame Toyota with an old school NA V6 and a stupidly spartan interior with 1990s tech. That’s probably the appeal more than anything, it’s simplicity. Some people like ham sandwiches but given the option , I’m a steak burger guy.

[@Smitty_76]

That's funny, I pretty much feel the exact same as you do. I have a 2016 with same amount of lift and tires, and I actually tell most people that are looking into buying a 4Runner they'd be better off in a Highlander. The 4Runner is a very niche vehicle. However, there is definitely something about it that people that own one really love. I think what you hit on, the old school simplicity is actually what people like and part of what makes it suck at the same time. I also bought a 2010 5.7L Tundra and when I get back in the 4Runner the difference in power is so noticeable. I added a throttle controller that helps tremendously, but it's obviously not the same. Good video, new subscriber.

[@RinkVideo]

Smitty I bet you almost go through the windshield whenever you get a rental car or drive something with good brakes! 😂 Thanks for the sub! I appreciate you.

[@westcoastplinkin6559]

5.7L Tundra is a terrible terrible daily driver though. I own one.

[@Smitty_76]

@@RinkVideo honestly I don't find the brakes that bad, but I put new pads on when I got it.

[@funpolice8128]

I drive a ‘18 TRD off road and I’d never trade it for anything (maybe a new Scout). But I have an actual key, manual transfer case shifter, basic controls with a screen just big enough to show me what radio station I’m on, and everything is so OLD. I frickin love it. Just leave it stock, add better tires, and I guarantee you in 25yrs they’ll still be going for $25k on the used market. It’s the new classic. And for what it’s worth, they look absolutely sick lifted on 33’s but not worth the BS that comes with it. Stick to stock.

[@matthewho826]

The 4runner didn't change for the last decades. It's known for its reliability and offroad capability. Prechance, it's "you" who needs to change, not the 4runner. Adjust your expectations, and you may eventually find ways to appreciate this awesome dinosaur. PEACE.

[@Commenter2121]

Great summary at the end. I have a 2018 with a similar build to yours. There are definitely better road cars out there but if you’re looking for off road capability and an old school vibe, the 5th gen 4Runner is tough to beat.

[@pabss3193]

Diesel is way more efficient yet I fail to understand why is it pretty much banned in NA

[@jonesjones7057]

Because diesel is so good, it competes too well against electric. Government had to put a stop to that. They want us all electric to "save the world" because electric doesn't pollute (sarcasm).

[@pabss3193]

@@jonesjones7057 what I also see is that electric opens a door to other creepier things, nothing against electric cars but more the unnecessary experience they bring :/ Then there is also your last point...

[@jonesjones7057]

@pabss3193 totally agree. We can see they are "paving the path to..."

[@Ed-mb9ft]

Have 2 2023 TRD Pros - one for me, one for the wife. With the engine and other changes on the 24's and beyond this will retain value. Underpowered for a reason, simple interior, few bells and whistles electronically (I actually wish it had less) and should last awhile. Neighbor is a Toyota/Lexus specialist and hates these cars.....because his shop doesn't make anything off just doing oil changes.

[@abdullenoir1792]

He’s right. The 4 runner is overrated. It’s not the most comfortable car. It doesn’t drive smoothly. It’s not as roomy as the Highlander or sequoia or even the Camry. If you need a work vehicle, the Tacoma and the Tundra are better. Really you should only buy this car if you go off road. The amount of people who use this as a commuter car or grocery carrier is comical. This car only fulfills a very narrow niche.

[@AltitudeRE]

God bless you. Thanks for saying what no one will. Every time I want one I test drive them and I can’t believe how much they suck to drive. Doing yeoman’s work, my friend.

[@RinkVideo]

You're welcome! 👊

[@josephbrown1383]

The 4x4 system is overrated, even with all the options. Not to say it isn't good off-road but compare the system to Jeep's Quadra Drive 2 in the 05-10 Grand Cherokee. Three computer controlled hydraulic lockers. It's a challenge to even break traction with the QD system. Highway snow seems non existent even with the Hemi engine . It's nothing short of phenomenal. It's a complicated system though and expensive to repair. A Jeep Grand Cherokee with a Hemi engine is not very nimble off-road either compared to something lighter like the 4-Runner but gets all the traction. I've been driving my '22 4-Runner through the Appalachian mountains for a year now. It averages a lower RPM than my Hemi GC did and burns much less fuel. Rides better too. I like having the more simplistic four wheel drive system in the Toyota for reliability and the two wheel drive option as opposed to full time four wheel in the Jeep. However, the Toyota doesn't feel as safe in highway snow as the Jeep did. It was like having tank tracks instead of tires. I don't think the 4-Runner is anything spectacular outside of its reliability but I am really glad I bought one so far. Reliability and simplicity is the reason I bought it. It's one of the last newer vehicles with those qualities. Fifteen years from now the 4-Runners will be like what the old square body Cherokees have been in the last few years. Worth their weight in gold to people who want to build an off-road toy or have a reliable daily driver. I had one of the square bodies before the Grand Cherokee and loved it. The 4-Runner to me is like the perfect comptomise between the two. Old school reliable drivetrain like the square body Jeep but with some electronic 4x4 assistance and other modern amenities like the Grand Cherokee.

[@TheDACHGE]

I have 2011 Reng Rover 5.0 Supercharged I'm getting about 10 MPG... When i first fuled up u know i messed up buying it. But it's certainly great vehicle!!

[@toubielo8788]

It’s nice because a lot of suvs are ugly. You will appreciate the truck once you have one. Unfortunately, I like manual transmission so older vehicles are my preference.

[@eljefe09]

The 4runners true superpower is its ability to make all the auto mechanics disappear. I get behind the wheel and all the repair shops just vanish.

[@boomerrangerron]

I found your video so very funny! But so very truthful! Hey I had a First Gen I never should have sold and a 2007 Highlander with nearly 200k on the clock that I love but it’s not a 4 RNR! I might just buy a 4th gen with a V8! Gas is still cheap! And I really don’t want a turbo 4 banger!

[@MeJonTheDon]

Diesel would be great if it weren't generally much more expensive than gas in the US

[@cfenrich]

I had a lifted 2009 Tacoma, so I hear ya. Super cool truck, but the crappy mileage coupled with the thimble-sized fuel tank pushed me to an F-150. Always enjoy your videos, waiting patiently for more from Ricko. Guess your impression will have to do… lol

[@RinkVideo]

We need Ricko back on camera!!!!

[@Markincali81]

2012 Tacoma TRD Offroad owner and everything you said applies. The brakes are terrible. I’m lucky to get 15mpg. And holy crap the downshifting. Often times I just gotta put it in 4th gear and keep it there. The gear hunting drives me nuts. On the other hand, 114,000 miles in and it’s been damn near bullet proof. I had a check engine light come on at around 75k and it was some exhaust sensor that was covered under a recall if I remember correctly. So yeah. It’s a terrible road trip vehicle. It was my only vehicle at one point and that sucked. It slides all over the place in the rain in 2wd. It’s LOUD. But you know what? It starts every time and will get me wherever I want to go on my weekend adventures. Just don’t buy one if you’re into comfort!

[@davem8790]

I looked at buying one of these, but once I actually sat in one and drove it around, I just couldn't justify it. It was like stepping back to the mid 2000s. Unless you are off-roading on a regular basis or live in Colorado, they don't make much sense - like most cults.

[@cw4623]

It's even worse than a mid-2000s car.

[@1482speedy]

some day you will grow up

[@jonesjones7057]

That downshift/upshift doesn't bother many people but it drives me nuts too. My '19 Tundra does that too. I swear if a moskito hits the windshield it downshifts. So annoying I set it to not even allow 6th gear on the highway unless it's gonna be flat for miles. My '05 Armada is a monster compared to my Tundra. It steamrolls hills in overdrive and won't downshift unless it gets really steep. Wish I could put a new Armada trans in my Tundra. It would be almost perfect.

[@EcBuddy123]

A 4th gen weighs about 500lbs less, a little less hp, but it's quicker to 60. But yes, keep it in 4th on mountain passes, and yes she will slow on uphills and headwinds, but mine does not need foot to the floor to get up and move... And she's got 210k on the clock. It is slower than other cars, and it isn't as comfy, and it brakes not great, but it just works, and when it 'breaks' it still gets you home and usually it breaks after telling you it needs something for months to years...

[@thisyoutubechannel3107]

I agree with you! Aside from the fanboys who cant be honest this is a COMMON complaint from customers who would test drive or trade in. This vehicle is absolutely gutless and is over priced. I personally dont think it handles well either.

[@Anomize23]

Reputation and overrated are two different words. 4runner has always had a good reputation doing what it does, #4noworries. You wouldn’t understand that until you have car trouble. The clue is when you still see 1990s 4runners rolling around. If its so outdated as everybody claims and it’s still made similar to being a reliable vehicle as it has been in the past, you’re just gonna keep seeing many rolling around in the next few decades because they just don’t stop going. THATS THE FACTS. Also to make the driving experience better, all you have to do is shift it in S mode and you can shift your gears up and down or stay in a certain gear as you please. once you put it in S mode, there’s literally a number showing which gear it is in. If you know how to drive a stick,you’ll get a better driving experience on this beast without dealing with a clutch. got 175,000 on my 2015 and it’s a tank

[@FeatheredDino]

They're not special. They're the same ballpark as a Wrangler. Are they capable ? Yes. Do 99.99% of people buy them and never use them for off-road, but want to look like off-roaders? Yes. But I guess hey at least a Wrangler has enough power to sort of get out of its own way 😂

[@tom5605]

I have a 2024 and the daily drive aspect is tiresome. When in its element, it is unbeatable but that is less than 5% of use case. All vehicles have compromises but this one has me thinking about a second vehicle as a daily driver or just replacing it. I know all practical reasons such as reliability and durability are its benefits.

[@scotthaworth224]

Have you looked into a tune for the 5th Gen? There are people that can tune the 4Runner and change the shift points and makes driving the 4Runner a lot better. You could also re-gear the 3rds to offset the increase of rotational weight from the wheels and tires. The brakes could be an issue in later models but our 23 4Runner brakes are amazing. There are ways around the soft pedal, stainless steal lines, Z36 pads from Power Stop. As far as MPG you are comparing a turbo charged diesel to a naturally aspirated vehicle. It is about the smiles per gallon not miles per gallon.

[@RinkVideo]

@@scotthaworth224 yeah I’ll definitely do some tuning down the road and 100% upgrade to brakes at some point. I was just on the phone talking to my brother about gears actually. I’ve recently gone down the supercharger rabbit hole 🤦‍♂️ and that ProCharger kit looks very cool!

[@scotthaworth224]

@@RinkVideo before you spending the money on a super charger looking into re-gearing the 4R and a tune. Some tuners can make the 4R very spirited.

[@RinkVideo]

@ will do for sure. We have a shop in town here called Krave Automotive that specializes in Toyota so they’ll likely have good options.

[@therangersinger]

Im with you in this one. My 2022 tacoma drives better than the current 4 runner...and that isnt saying much 🤣

[@minifunkable]

Got rid of few year old fully modded 4runner for 25 land cruiser. My 4runner had the shake/shimmy that never went away. Only thing i miss is v6. Ppl get too attached to their cars. Powertrain in new land cruiser sucks big time. Overall better daily, but again i got many cars

[@tobyt4865]

Had a 13 JK and 2019 Ram 1500. Ill take my 21 4R anyday of the week

[@talhashah]

Subscribed. I haven’t purchased one yet, but it’s definitely on my list as a potential second car to complement my current electric vehicle.

[@carloscerna2602]

I have a 2016 Tundra and it is 13MPG no weight added, only a camper.

[@jlucguerrier]

Ngl - that credit card rewards joke hit home and was hilarious. Love my 4Runner. Just add the pedal commander and led lights and it's amazing. Not perfect but amazing.

[@007diego2]

I understand this gentleman‘s gripes, the fifth gen is underpowered, and the transmission is not the smoothest, and it’s behind in technology. But that’s not why most people buy it. They buy it because it’s reliable, and it could take you places a lot of other vehicles can’t and you can have the confidence to return. And lastly, lots of people buy this vehicle because they want it to stay in the family for a long, long time; pass it down to your 7 year old kid 10 years from now, a decent college ride.

[@dannypinyan3949]

My 24 Tr D pro 4 runner with the wind at my back gets 24 miles to the gallon highway.

[@yotaforlife8408]

345000kms on my 2012 and it goes everywhere i need i to any time i want it to

[@RinkVideo]

That’s impressive

[@crossroadadventures]

Great job on this video. You owned this of course so it is very convincing. I think you inspired me to do a video too lol. I honestly think all the negative feedback you have is very low on your list, why would you buy this vehicle in the first place.

[@OneEyedOtis]

My 2011 Limited model has 235,000 miles on it and she's just a sweetheart. People say you can't offroad the Limited model. The vids on my page beg to differ. Good video though. Merry Christmas to you and your family.

[@honaker326]

Location is what either makes it or breaks it. I live in Tennessee. Tons of mountains and very little wind. No issues. I was driving through Kansas for a road trip once and there were winds upwards of 70 MPH. There are no mountains to save me there. I spent the next 3 hours fighting my steering wheel from the wind. If I lived on flat land and high winds....I'd never own one there. Too much body roll. But put me on a mountain trail and it runs like a champ. The reliability is what made its name. If you keep the 4runner then you will be complaining about it for the next 30 years without any failures...still be just as pissed off, but got your moneys worth from the reliability. lol Edit: You and your wife would probably like the highlander more. It is more refined and the unibody frame is going to give you a better overall ride. My mom loved my 4runner until she drove a highlander. Now, she owns a highlander....lol

[@DunDagNabbit]

I have a 3rd gen and I've never really understood the love they get. I like the car but thats just because its does everything it needs too. nothing it does is crazy and its painfully underpowered. I feel like the people that LOVE 4runners are just people that have never tired anything else