Toyota dealer vs Independent Auto Repair… I was shocked!

[@johnrpizzaguy]

I’m a 39 year master mechanic and I did work at a Toyota dealership (factory trained) but I must say that the diff service takes roughly 30 to 40 minutes from the time that you get the work order, rack the 4 Runner , drain then fill with the proper fluid (probably 80-90 w gear oil) then give the vehicle a once over. A short test drive and then park it.

[@vickijohnson9367]

Delray Beach Toyota got caught NOT actually doing the oil changes. Toyota went after them, fired the service manager there. Buyer beware!

[@samwhittemore5614]

That independent auto mechanic quoted you the 'I don't really want to do the job' price. He probably has appointments backed up for weeks. Keep on CRUSHING IT, TIM!

[@dpayne1943]

That’s possible! That happened to me when I was trying to get a small kitchen renovation during the pandemic. All three contractors overbid by more than double the value. They didn’t want the job.

[@SarasotaTim]

That is possible however, he was very nice and he didn’t seem that way. I did tell him as I did the others a couple of months ago that the dealer charges less. I explained I’m not being a smart aleck but just to give you some feedback. Both times now they just said OK ha ha ha😎

[@deborahcaldwell9775]

Interesting. I can wash and dry and cut my own hair. I can clean my own house. I can do my own gardening. However, I will not wash my dog, even though I can. I will pay whatever it takes to wash my dog because I make such a mess. It’s awful and I don’t enjoy it and the dog doesn’t enjoy it and it doesn’t come out right. There are certain things in life that our neighbors can do better than we can. Those tasks are worth the cost.

[@southerngal4655]

Some of us are on a budget and need to find the best for our money.

[@weloveups831]

I was a Toyota tech for several years. Fluid changes and all maintenance on time are going to give your toyota, especially in Florida, a very long life. 300 k easy. Second, always use genuine Toyota filter and parts. Why, not all oil filters are created equal. I have seen oil filters that caused engine failure, right out of that jiffy lube place. Second, it is cheaper to buy the right part once then 2 or three times.

[@beninidaho]

As a certified old guy, I totally get not wanting to do some things yourself, because the older you get, the more time becomes more valuable than money. I always take my 4Runner to the dealer for the $65 oil change and read my Kindle or go across the street for breakfast while they do it. That said, I do my diffs and transfer case myself since I have a nice shop and I can get all three done in about an hour and a half, and I can use the fluids that I prefer, vs the 55gal drum stuff at the dealer. The $100 is not a bad price though. The rear diff takes nearly three quarts, and the Redline I use cost $22/qt (something like Lucas is perfectly acceptable at near half the price). The crush washer kit (for both diffs and the TC) is $15. So $22x3 + $5 for the rear diff crush washers is $71. You're not saving that much doing it yourself. As long as your dealer has good techs, there's nothing wrong with letting them do it for $100.

[@rutniktrainer]

I do some work on my car myself but other things I don't. I don't have a garage and a dirt driveway. We have these big thick boxes called Gaylords at work. They are about an inch thick. I cut a piece about 4' long and lay on it when I work on my car. I have some ramps to get it high enough to change the oil. I also have a floor jack and jack stands.

[@DNDZOLLER]

I’ve been working for different car dealerships, including Toyota for 25 years and I cannot tell you how common it is when customers are surprised to find out how much cheaper the car dealership is then an independent aftermarket shop. But then again, it’s one of the reasons why we’re so extremely busy.

[@SarasotaTim]

Well, that is very good to know my friend. Thank you for sharing. 😎

[@LIGHTNING351]

Shop around Tim with other local Mechanics, If the price is not that much cheaper than the Dealer then do it at the dealer. Also ask the service person to give you a discount usually 10%. Try and stick to the same service guy at the dealer everytime you go for maintenance. Sometimes the dealer is cheaper but not always especially for major things. I inquired about a radiator flush for my lexus es350 at the dealer it was surprisingly high. I went to an independent mechanic that specializes in Lexus and it was more than half the price cheaper than the dealer. Got an oil change and the flush for cheaper than just the flush at the dealer.

[@southerngal4655]

Yes, you should shop around. I try to get at least two estimates sometimes 3. One from the dealer then a couple of other ones from reputable independent automotive repair shops.

[@garyclark979]

I recently change the oil (Supertech brand) and filter (Denso) in my RAV4 for $30. Two weeks later I carbon cleaned the engine, changed the oil and filter, and performed radiator service in my Camry hybrid for a total of $150 in parts and fluids. The estimate was $900 for these services at the local Toyota dealership. I had to invest about $400 in tools six years ago. I still think that my investment has been worth it.

[@ddellwo]

I’m a “car guy” who does a lot of his own work and changing the differential fluid is a job that I am happy to leave to a shop! While the task itself isn’t complicated, it tends to be an absolute MESS to do in your own garage! To be honest, I’m a little surprised you’re getting such an aggressive quote from Toyota to do the work - in the past few months I had the same service performed on a Dodge Dakota and I think it came to around $200 plus tax at my local dealer!

[@kenk7049]

Yep oil changes are a mess. I've found it better to pay someone with a lift

[@BT-be8rh]

Dodge-Jeep can’t sell cars to save their lives right now, so they’re desperate to make money from any source!!

[@SarasotaTim]

Yeah, I’m happy with the price. 😎

[@Sincere.skeptic]

The old rule from my Dad was dealer for warranty work, then find a good mechanic. Had to replace rearviw mirror once on 2003 toyota echo in 2007. They wanted 125$ to install. Was going to order online discount oem part for @ 60$. Happened to be in Walmart for something else when I discovered an identical mirror and brand for 13$, which i was able to slide in myself. Thanks for tip. With s rapidly changing world, its good to reevaluate. The moral of the story...dont wait until its urgent, and best to get a couple of prices.

[@txc500]

Hey Tim, just had my differential service at 30k, for all three, front differential, transfer case and rear differential. You really need to do all 3.

[@mfanning186]

Unless his 4RUNNER is 2wd which it could be since he's in FL.

[@txc500]

@@mfanning186 lol correct, but the way he was climbing around on those rocks last year I have to think it's a four-wheel drive

[@Big-Rouge]

Yes, having the 4wd, go ahead and get all 3 diffs changed while you are there. You have a nice 4 runner Tim, keep the maintenance up and make it last as long as you can!

[@SarasotaTim]

4x4 watch this haha kzbin.info/www/bejne/q37IZomqbrWhgqc 😎

[@SarasotaTim]

I may just do that. Thanks 😎

[@johnb6084]

True, your time is worth something. It takes an hour to change both oil and rear diff and you'd save more than you make on the side hustle. My guess is you just don't want to do it 😂. Walmart has inexpensive supplies.

[@skyhawk4946]

When you are younger it's no problem to do that stuff yourself. When you get in your 60's, everything is more difficult. I have no desire to change anything on my vehicle outside the air filters and simple things. Saving a few bucks isn't always worth the effort.

[@edb2078]

supply and demand no one buying new cars we're fixing them. had a rack and pinion leak last month Dealer price $1588 and the local mechanic was $980

[@JeepComeTrue]

Good luck 🎉 Only way to get it done right is do it yourself.

[@eremoshomestead7406]

Hey Tim! check into getting a transmission flush when you return. Pulling anything puts more stress on the mechanicals and fluids plus we are in the heat of the year. Most recommendations are for normal driving and not towing as well.

[@robertstern9951]

Never get a transmission Flush. Only get the fluid changed.

[@artlife6210]

no. you dont flush a transmission. and you change the filter and fluid as little as possible... flushing dislodges deposits of metallic sludge that will remain in place for the life of the transmission, and those contaminants will destroy the pump vanes, bands and clutches well before the lifespan of the transmission expires.

[@michaeltheveny5270]

You don’t want a flush, you want a transmission oil and filter change. Never do a flush. I make sure the shop knows I only want oil and filter change.

[@artlife6210]

@@michaeltheveny5270 exactly!

[@rosemarybaker4403]

I won't go to an Independent Auto Repair unless they are recommended by a friend. Have had bad experience with the repair so now I take my car to the dealership and pay what the dealership charges and wait for hours for repair as I have to wait.

[@riceburner4747]

Yes, word of mouth is the way. I do most work myself but when I can't, I have a family business that knows me & I know them. The father was a master tech from Toyota/sons now run it & hasn't missed a beat. 👍

[@guyaldrich5878]

Easy job on your vehicle Tim , no pump needed ! I could do it for under $40 ! The biggest problem with having anyone else do a job for you is are they going to actually do the job ? That is my main reason for just doing it myself !

[@SarasotaTim]

We think alike I know they will do it, but I want it done correctly. Last time I was there a heart-to-heart with the service manager regarding how long it took me to get that oil change done and she knows me pretty well and recognized me as a KZbinr as well also so I’m going to hit her up when I go in Monday morning to make sure it’s done correctly and expeditiously ha ha ha after all, I’m Sarasota Tim 🤣🤣🤣😎

[@bigfootswatching9986]

@@SarasotaTim Keep us posted on your result's on how it went at the Dealerships. I tend to do as must maintenance I can myself since I know i'm doing it right with care because it's my car! It will be a hit or miss depending on the actual workers working on your car. Best of luck with them doing it right and actually doing it!

[@Rotund_Panda_Pants]

I changed my own differential fluid last year. It was mess and my back was not forgiving. I would have paid someone $100 in a heart beat to do the job.

[@g-man2045]

I grew up in Delray in the 60's and 70's and knew the family that owed the dealership back then. Our family has put over 230,000 miles each on three different Toyotas so I'm educated on how to take care of them. One thing Ive seen is dealers tend to want you to do things like change the diff oil much sooner than what the owners manual suggest. That's how they make money. Our dealer here in TX charges $55.00 for oil change (SYN) but usually they have other services they expect to sell you.Our current Toyota is an 04 4 runner with the 4.2L V-8 235,000 miles

[@SarasotaTim]

Awesome! 😎

[@DevilDogs1918]

I agree with you 100%. Unless you are capable of repairing your vehicle yourself, call the dealership first and get an estimate. At least they can troubleshoot the issue for you. In addition, the dealership's labor hours are based on the job, not what the Auto Repair thinks they can get away with charging. My son has a 4runner in Phoenix AZ. He refuses to go to the dealership and continues to pay ridiculous amounts of money. $1,100 to change alternator, $1,800 to change front brakes and rotors and the list goes on. At least a dealership based the job on hours, original parts and small warranty. Of course, the dealerships are getting backed up. That might be a consideration. If you have a local shop that you trust, then go for it, but a telephone call to the dealership is well worth the effort.

[@Kujokouklos]

So, soooooo happy I live in Greece for that matter. I get a full service on my Corolla (oil, filter, air filters and spark plugs) for less that a 100 Euros and labor is just 30 euros something. Although i can do these things myself I just avoid the mess by trusting an independent mechanic to do the job. Actually that same guy has become my best friend over the years, as i know him since he started his business back in 2004. Labour is dirt cheap here not just for mechanic work but for body work also. Many cars that would be labelled as "totalled" in your country are being fixed here for a fraction of the money an American body shop would ask. Nice one Tim, your videos are so informative for me, as I can compare USA with Greece in many aspects. Love yor work, adore your style! 👌👌

[@addicted2tools]

Thats good fot u but shitty for the mechanics means they dont get paid a honest wage for the work they do your basically happy you rip them off

[@brucelamay8977]

I know one thing, you have to be careful who you choose to do these oil changes in our area we have these "Jiffy Lube Shops" I know a person who got serviced by one of these places, then had engine trouble--so he took it back to the dealership--warrantee was void!

[@southerngal4655]

So true! I would never go to jiffy lube.

[@diepeterpan]

Just had an experience at a dealer here in South Africa where the service almost cost more than what the car is worth, not the first time this has happened. Worst it the dealer did not even have all the parts. Second time this has happened and every time I say to myself never again. But like you say, the world is upside down, you are damn if you do and damned if you don't. All over the world the same rip-offs!

[@corby6956]

I have a 2011 Highlander and was recently quoted these prices by my nearby Toyota dealer: Transmission fluid flush and install new fluid: $525 Transfer case and rear differential fluid change (they only hold 1 quart of gear oil each) $246 engine oil and filter change w/synthetic oil: $109 and another disappointing thing I learned: they don't use the "recommended" Toyota fluids They use some off brand I have never heard of before: BG Ultra Guard fluids. I wound up going to an independent shop. I passed on trans service for now so I had the rear diff, transfer case and engine oils changed for $125 for the labor only. I provided the fluids, total cost about $70 so I saved about $160 !

[@davidanderson8469]

Don't ever flush your transmission. Just do the normal drain and refill.

[@corby6956]

@@davidanderson8469 Exactly what I was planning!

[@beatrizrobinson6481]

Good morning Tim!!! We also have a Toyota 4-Runner. Thank you for the helpful information. Enjoy your weekend!! Greetings from Arizona.

[@James-un2zj]

The real problem is that many auto centers are dishonest, whether it’s a dealer or an independent shop, and they cut corners and do not do the repair or service properly or at all. For example, when they do an oil change, they may not change the filter or some other cutting corners. I have even heard stories, where they do not do the service at all, so you end up driving your car for many more miles and it’s actually doing damage to your car. Today there’s so many liars and cheats and it’s hard to trust anybody these days there’s so much evil in this society. For example, if I go to get my CVT transmission fluid changed, and I want the filters inside the CVT to also be changed, how do I know that they actually change the filters and did not just tell me they did when they skipped it because it was an extra 15 minutes to open the plate and change the two little filters. There is no effective way to know that the mechanic did the service as stated and charged for this is a sad world when you can’t trust anyone anymore even professional, so-called mechanics. Whether they are dealers or independents. I have had people tell me to ask the mechanic to see the used parts, but that is basically telling the mechanic that you do not trust them, and you think they could be a scammer, which is not a good way to establish a professional relationship.

[@4.0gpa44]

I agree lack of trust is a huge issue. Even if you asked for filters, what's to say they wouldn't have grabbed one from another person's car that was a similar model and give them to you. Other than paying for oil analysis after each change, which is lot of work and cost, unless you do all your maitenance work yourself, in most cases you can't be totally certain. You could try writing with a sharpie on an inconspicuous region of the outside of the oil filter. If it's still there afterwords, the filter wasn't changed.

[@ericjohnson829]

The usually offer moderate pricing and specials on the basic fluid changes in the hopes of finding other items that need service or that you'll come back to them with more major service needs later on.

[@PrepperDawg]

Dealer here charges $85 for synthetic oil change. I agree, it's actually same or cheaper to get work done at the dealership.

[@southerngal4655]

In my opinion sometimes it is cheaper at the dealer sometimes it isn't. . . Should check around.

[@PrepperDawg]

@@southerngal4655 agree

[@oldroscoe2590]

I've always changed my own oil and filters and most all repairs .... it's good exercise and I know it's done correctly. I'm one of those guys that buys used vehicles and keep them running for another 100K miles. No hurry, no waiting, no surprises, no worries.

[@ericolsen9799]

Crazy expensive! The oil change places are also actually cheaper these days also. They will flush or refill your radiator, change your transmission fluid if accessible, and top off all of your fluids. One guy even pointed out a power steering leak so that was helpful. I over paid for an extended warrant for my truck and included are life time oil changes (4 a year). Starting to feel better now about the free oil changes, because they are $80 these days.

[@tedbell4416]

Oil change place destroyed my tundra engine, never again

[@thnksno]

​@tedbell4416 I hate that Toyota uses that cartridge filter on the 5.7L. Especially since it has plastic housing going into metal threads. That's a recipe for disaster going to a non Toyota certified shop. We have a 2023 Rav4 and a 2022 Corolla along with my 2020 Tundra. I had 2 Tundras prior that were flex-fuel so the recommended oil change interval was 5,000 miles. This 2020 isn't flex-fuel so they now want to change the oil every 10,000 miles, the same as the Rav4 and Corolla. I don't trust that interval. So, even though the newer cars have ToyotaCare, we still change the oil every 5,000 miles. For the Tundra, it costs $75, which is the same as the cost for the Rav4 and Corolla. Lol! The Tundra takes 8.5 quarts of synthetic oil. The Corolla takes 4.9 quarts and the Rav4 takes 4.8 quarts (and has a bigger engine than the Corolla?) So it appears they're giving away roughly 3.5 quarts of oil for free on the Tundra.

[@dbarton8651]

To do both differentials and the transfer case it will cost you around $120. 6 new washers and 6 bags of gear oil. Do that yourself. It is so damn easy!👍🏻 Plus, you get the piece of mind of doing it yourself and knowing it was done right!!! Every time I take my T4R to the dealership, they F something up. Also, valvoline sells squeezeble bags... no pump necessary. it's beyond easy.

[@davidanderson8469]

You're young. We used to do our too.

[@jacko241]

Sarasota Tim, St. Augustine Joe here. Now you are in my wheelhouse. I owned an auto repair shop for 42 years, just sold it in June. $97 is very fair for rear diff service. $172 is out of line. However, you almost answered your own question. You said you waited at the dealer for 4 hours for an oil change. This would have never happened at my shop. If you make an appointment time with us, that is the time we service your vehicle. Dealers take as many cars in as they can get and do the service as they can. You are correct that for $97 it isn't worth doing yourself, UNLESS you already have all the equipment to do it. Your diff would only hold about 2 quarts of fluid ($30) and the nice thing about Toyota trucks is that they have a drain plug, unlike most domestics. Most auto parts stores will take your old fluid if you buy the new from them. Synthetic oil change at our shop on your vehicle would have been $79.99, rear diff service $99.99. But you would be in and out in about an hour. For maintenance services sometimes the dealer will be cheaper, as their volume is higher. But for mechanical repairs, a reputable independent shop will almost always be cheaper, and faster.

[@crazywisdom2]

You are spot on !!

[@davidstanesa1375]

Rear diff on a Toyota is literally a 25 min job. 30k is honestly too soon though. Should be around 60k

[@SarasotaTim]

That famous guy on KZbin that’s a Toyota mechanic that knows his stuff not Scotty this other guy he said yes do it at 60 but if you’re going to keep it do it at 30. 😎

[@beninidaho]

Manual for 5th gen calls for every 30K for normal conditions, which do not include offroad or towing. JMHO, but fluid changes erring on the conservative side are one of the best and cheapest maintenance things you can do, especially if you're keeping your ride for a while.

[@kcp71]

Make sure they are using synthetic gear oils. Also are they using 75w85 or 80w90 or 75w90. If you are still under warranty you should be using 75w85 as the others could void your warranty, even if the dealer does it. Also you should do the front, rear and transfer case all at once. Had my done at 60k at my Toyota garage using Red Line fluids, the dealer was much higher in price using the correct fluids from bottles, but a little less using bulk 75w90. Always ask what fluids they use. Gear Oil (as recommended by Toyota): Front axle: Toyota Genuine differential gear oil LT 75W-85 GL-5 or equivalent 1.6 / 1.5 U.S. quarts (part-time 4wd / full-time 4wd) Transfer case: Toyota Genuine Transfer gear oil LF or equivalent SAE 75w 1.1 / 1.5 U.S. quarts (part-time 4wd / full-time 4wd) Rear axle: Toyota Genuine differential gear oil LT 75W-85 GL-5 or equivalent 2.9 / 2.8 U.S. quarts (with locker / without locker)

[@antoniocognato5023]

I just subscribed. Great channel

[@sheliakellett9821]

Hi Tim, in a recent video you indicated you and Ms Tammy are both living in your camper. Did I miss something or did you two get married? ❤️ I just know you portray a Christian life. Just wondering! If so congratulations!

[@lizzieb6311]

I typically go to Mazda, but have found a great independent guy - In business here for 40 years - that I completely trust… he’s primarily a tire dealer and I buy ALL my tires there…but he is full service. I’ve been going to him so long that if I stroll in the Owner (Levy) greets me by name and gets me in immediately. But he is the exception to the rule and likely a Unicorn 🦄 😎 Thank you for your videos!

[@chericdesigns]

I have used the dealership for years and find it more affordable PLUS they keep my cars running like new. My 10 year old Altima looked and ran like a new car when I sold it to a family member and got my newer SUV with more bells and whistles (wanted all the new safety and driver assisted features). Recently had an issue with my battery after 3 years and my dealer replaced it for free. In the past when I purchased a battery on another car if it didn't last the average length of use they would prorate the new battery. I like I can make an appointment, they'll wash my car and if they would need to keep my car for any bigger service work I can get a loaner car from them for free. I do use a private auto mechanic for my old pickup but the guy who works on it worked for a dealership for almost 20 years. I also think local mechanics are having trouble finding and keeping mechanics! So many businesses of every kind in my area are short staffed still and everyone is hiring.

[@davidanderson8469]

You have a CVT transmission your new one. Get the trans serviced at 1/2 the normal interval.

[@davidanderson8469]

They do that once just like AAA does. AAA comes to you also and does a charging service check.

[@davidburg558]

$65.99 at Walmart for that

[@brucehelppie6119]

changing differential fluid can be a dirty job. $97 sounds like a bargain to me. there are some jobs i don't want to do anymore. congrats on 50k subscribers.

[@s.mas.w]

It’s TTT TIME! Tim, Tammy and Toyota👍 You’re CRUSHING IT!!

[@JP-te7kd]

We have long wait times at our Toyota dealership too, even with appointments, but it's worth it. We have two 15 year old Toyota sedans that we only took to the Toyota dealership for servicing and they still run like our new sedan. We don t trust independent repair shops, no thanks. My husband is not interested in working on our cars. We both work full time and love our jobs and make good money, so for us it's the dealership regardless of price.

[@TenaciousCC]

Another benefit is documentation of the service history. Particularly valuable if you resell the vehicle.

[@melaniemattingly3244]

See that was what I saying to a friend. I have a Toyota rav 4 and went outside the dealership for maintenance and it was more expensive!!

[@mpgguy]

YES, Dealers do tend to be cheaper then your local mechanics. I rebuild cars and yes, I know costs of fixing them, if some one tells you the dealer is more, they are old school and not up to date. Dealers work mostly on the same cars and can fix them better and faster due to repitition.

[@southerngal4655]

Sometimes that is true and sometimes it isn't. I found it depends on what your having done.

[@ronmexico5908]

The thing is when you buy the tools to do the job you resue them to do the job again which lowers the cost. Driving to the dealer, waiting and driving back takes time too. Getting parts to do the job can be done at anytime while you're driving around. Doing your own maintenance(if you are willing to learn basic skill) assures its done right and for less than a pro charges

[@SarasotaTim]

Absolutely 100% true however, I’m just a squatter here one day when I get my own place and a driveway that’ll be exactly what I do, I have the skills. 😎

[@FeralPlumber]

I have a 4Runner and last November I did radiator fluid/flush, complete brake fluid change/bleed, fuel injection service, rear end fluid, transfer case fluid, cabin filter, engine air filter, front differential fluid, tire rotation, power steering fluid, many checks bumper to bumper…..all done at Toyota. $1200 for everything. Transmission fluid stayed because they said it is made for the life of vehicle…..thing runs like a top.

[@RFD-2323]

Good morning Tim!.. Better be heading out to Micky D’s to get Ms Tammy a biscuit and you a coffee before y’all get busy 😊

[@LuisMarenco-y9j]

Do it yourself my friend you'll save a lot of money and time in long run

[@shawndavis314]

40,000 miles? My Silverado has 330,000 miles and it has never been changed, lol. Toyota durability, haha!

[@daviareitz2432]

I took my car to St Lucie Battery and Tire for new tires, and when I got on I95 accelerating to 70mph My car shook and once I got to 70 mph then it stabled off, but every time I approach 70 it shake shake shake makes me nuts took it back to the St.Lucie battery and tire. They checked it out said that it wasn’t the tires but I’ve never had that happen before. I’m the only person that has ever driven my car. I have put many new sets of tires and have never experienced anything like that. I agree with you Tim I think they torqued it too much but I can’t prove it I had been in that St. Lucie tire and battery before and had them put on a new starter. It’s a 2013 Honda CRV, needless to say I get free tire rotation there, but I will not ever go back there. They have been taken over by a different management team than when I did service with them before you really have to watch that stuff just as you’re doing with your vehicle. Stay safe on your trip !!!

[@addicted2tools]

Too much torque on the wheels does nothing but make it hard to take the lug nuts back off for service maybe learn more about what ur complaining about before posting..... just saying

[@brianricoh3242]

You have to be careful, some places just siphon some oil out with hose and reinstall, some actually remove the pan casing and clean out the differential.

[@LuisMarenco-y9j]

When you go to Walmart ask for what type of oil and brand they're putting in your engine hopefully it's a reputable brand

[@burrellladd43]

Good Saturday morning 🌄 From Wilmington, Coastal N.C.Keep crushing it!

[@tonyrutledgejr]

That's normal Mr. Tim. A lot of ppl assume that every service at the dealership is more expensive than Indy shops (which isn't true 😂), it simply depends on the issue. Take it from someone who's learned via trial and error and from painful and costly experiences. The dealership has competitive pricing (preventative maintenance like oil changes tend to be cheaper and they always offer complimentary services in that price as well) and certainly does quality work since they are experts in that specific make. I like indy shops, but I'm more fond of dealerships since their main job is to get the vehicle back to functioning like it was when it was brand new. I'm one of those guys that like to see things for myself rather than adopting the experiences of others. I hope that helps.

[@schadlarry]

It probably takes 2 quarts of gear oil, $25 total. Easier than changing the engine oil. Anyway many years ago the dealer kept telling me I needed to change all the gear oils. Front and rear diff, transfer case and manual transmission. They quoted me $90 each. I looked at it, decided it wasn't that hard, did it myself. Next time I went to the dealer for an oil change, they said I needed to change all those oils. I said I did. The look on their face.... came up with a BS answer about it must have been some residual oil they were seeing.

[@michaeltheveny5270]

You are so right about checking the dealership, it used to be very expensive to get your vehicle serviced at the dealership and cheaper at an Independent shop. Maybe dealerships have learned thru can retain customers better if their prices are better.

[@dforrest4503]

$97 to replace the rear differential fluid is a great price; it’s definitely more time than a normal oil change.

[@shibmasterkman3176]

Great research. You are correct the world is upside down.

[@Ran-tj2wy]

Weird how there is a 30k for the rear differential and the transmission is “life time” and never needs changed

[@davidanderson8469]

After getting crushed at my local Honda dealership for 10 yrs and getting the same treatment from a couple of independents I finally found an independent Honda/Acura garage. The owner was a Honda mechanic for 10 yrs before venturing out on his own. My dealership charges $185/hr now thanks to California.. My independent charges $115 and insists on using OEM parts whenever possible.

[@lindadidomizio5025]

Plus the dealer checks for any recalls etc.!

[@mishaj2238]

Been having a great experience with my Lexus dealer on pricing. I think they realized they need that extra money for survival imo..

[@treavey1]

well, it depends. yes, toyota dealer service costs have doubled in the last 2 years. but i still prefer the dealer for higher quality services. i recommend letting the dealer do the service for your toyota. note there are 10% "shop fees" plus sales taxes these days on the services.

[@user-yj3ob9kd3l]

Just had my oil changed at Ford. It was $87, but I had points from other work, and it ended up free. That was lucky!! There were several needs noted. Fixing a differential leak--$673!!! Cha-ching!

[@mph5896]

That’s a great price for the service. Walmart sells full synthetic diff lube in quart squeeze bottles. They run either $10 or $15 each, depending on weight. A couple crush washers, you are $30-40 in materials assuming you have tools and a drain pan. Or you pay the $97 and move on with life😂

[@SarasotaTim]

I still keep thinking about saving money doing it myself, but I’m not🤣🤣😎

[@shvideo1]

Thank you for sharing this information. I am with you. You decisions seem sound to me. A good point to remember.

[@JAmico21]

Family Auto on Military. Great service!

[@Tbow9999]

Check for another shop Tim I have found out that the dealerships up here in the orlando area are way higher than local mechanics

[@rudfil]

I think the folks saying “do it yourself” probably drive older vehicles.

[@addicted2tools]

Our just aren't afraid of work

[@ZCAR355]

Tim, Seems like you have a good dealership service department based on that price. I would continue with them for all of your service. Their technicians see Toyotas everyday and when you’re a lot less likely to have an issue down the road. Have you seen a video on the oil change procedure for your 4 Runner? The screw-on oil filter has been replaced with a canister-type filter and is more of a pain to deal with. You will not really save that much money going to Walmart and having them do your future oil changes and you won’t get OEM filters there either.

[@Truthtoat]

We had an old Prius, check engine light on, my Wife went to dealership and they basically told her the car was going to kill her if she didn't get x amount of work done, I went the next day to challenge them, it was TOTAL BS. That car FYI is still running in another state, all it needed was a battery. So Tim next time send Tammy with the car and watch the line of BS they give her. Sad to say this still happens but it does. Also do a follow up on the $97 diff oil change and share with us all the OTHER stuff they may find wrong that needs attention.

[@user-yj3ob9kd3l]

I had a tire on a new car that was very low and took it to my dealer. The guy tried to sell me a tire. It was low, but still drivable. I called Sam's Club to price a tire while the mechanic was standing there. I told him, if the tire is bad, he can fill it and I'll drive it a bit farther to Sam's. Miraculously, he was able to plug it and I was on my way with my same tire. There was never a problem.

[@riceburner4747]

​@@user-yj3ob9kd3lI see a lot of disgruntal technicians on utube. Do you REALLY want them working on your car? 🤔 Dealers need to treat them better pay them well. Techs HATE warranties, they don't get paid.

[@robertcassel6185]

Do you have a video about making more than the $21,240 more than that’s allowed for Social security ?

[@govinda102000]

One thing for certain, trans axle fluid should always be cheaper to install if the car is already on the lift for an oil change. Just like tire rotation.

[@av8ionUSMC]

Thanks for the tip as most of us including myself are very anti dealer for service. I'll keep that in mind next time at least.

[@tarynsanmartino8930]

Wow Tim, That is shocking. Thanks for the heads-up. You just never know these days.

[@dougfeehan8421]

So true -Was just rip off at independent shop .Charging 125 an hour to work on a 11 yr old CRV

[@addicted2tools]

125 per hour is normal

[@cdlund2840]

I would never use a dealer for repair unless it was warranty work. They have the worst mechanics and the highest prices everywhere I have checked. My mechanic charges $80/hr and does fantastic work. Shop around and avoid dealers. Do as much as your own work as you can or at least know your vehicle to prevent being ripped off.

[@BT-be8rh]

Our VW dealer’s been pretty reasonable for service on our 2015 Golf TDI and they wash it!!

[@dancurran8977]

Toyota sent me a "we missed you" coupon for a $10 synthetic oil change. The lady who helped me was annoyed that she couldn't up sale me anything.

[@wma79351]

The reason they doing it so cheap, is because they taking your money and don't change anything 😅😅

[@SarasotaTim]

Let’s hope not. 🤣😎

[@darylhill9400]

I much rather have a Toyota dealer work on my Toyota. They have all the parts, the specs and a proper fluids available and if you ever sell your four runner, it will also preserve the value.

[@joeh2085]

I've always done my own fluid services myself, including diff changes. I'd throw some cardboard, or plywood down on the gravel and go at it. Cmon Tim, you can do it. Don't give up that easy. It would make good content for your viewers.

[@user-yj3ob9kd3l]

$100 is not that much for a job done by experts. Keep in mind the time involved for a novice learning curve. It's much easier to watch someone else do the work, than to do it.

[@johnd4348]

He does not want to do it. Thats just an excuse. Trust me if he was poor boy like me a few rocks would not stop him from doing it. I' not a mechanic, but none of my cars have ever been to a mechanic and I do all my work. I also drive 15 to 20 year old cars so keeping them going is high priority for me. I cant afford 50 K for a vehicle.

[@user-yj3ob9kd3l]

@@johnd4348 so what. Why be critical. He can do what he wants for any reason. If you're a poor boy, that's on you. I guess you're proof that necessity is the mother of invention. Keep up the good work.

[@brucesmith9144]

Good choice. One thing about if you had to change it on the gravel you run the risk of getting it on the ground and on yourself in the process. It’s not a pleasant thing and not good for the environment and your kitty friends.

[@luanahayth4817]

❤shared with hubby about social security and Medicare we’re 55years old

[@sirtedricwalker2979]

When u have a 40+ thousand auto...I believe u go to dealership and get the Toyota/Honda parts made for the vehicle. Better quality part that lasts longer and fits perfectly AND they know their vehicles/maintenance. Plus if independent goes and buys part from Toyota it's very expensive as opposed to getting paet and repair at deqlership. I drive 2003 Honda Accord that has been well maintained with just regular maintinence and 240,000+ miles....keeping it till it falls apart!

[@marcasswellbmd6922]

A synthetic Oil change and filter cost me at the most $35 bucks.. And gear oil for that is 10 bucks.. 1 Quart will do the transfer case and the rear... Anyway good vid and I get it about the time thing.. Like I pay people to wash my car because it's not something I want to waste my time on.. But everything else I do myself for the most part.. I don't trust mechanic's to do what you ask and how you want it done.. That's why we see vid's of people complaining that their CVT went after 60K. That's because they need to have the CVT oil changed almost as much as the motor for them to last. Most CVT's only hold 8.5 Quarts and that burns up very fast especially in hot places and a heavy foot doesn't help either...

[@09rja]

Independents are expensive because they are good. I just got finished getting a indi to re-build a Bobcat that the dealers wouldn't touch. Today, I took a starting motor to a dealer mechanic who said it went against policy to take a part that wasn't attached to the machine......got out of there and left it with a indi who said he'd have it ready tomorrow. (And tomorrow is Saturday.) I'm frankly sick of dealer mechanics.

[@richarddunn4045]

Shop materials charge will be added to the bill

[@angelmission]

A Crushingly Great video! 😃

[@bobpoland6042]

I all my own maintenance so Im sure its done properly. Most people never ever do a radiator fush, transmission fluid and filter, rear ( and or front diff ) fluid the biggie is brake fluid ! Yes brake fluid needs to be flushed. Follow the service manual with your vehicle and you and your vehicle will be happy lol

[@martinnorbeck4657]

Overhead, and over regulation. In California you need permits on the wall to do any oil changes. Also to weld, also to have tires around new or used. Try to dispose of oil and call to get it pumped out, you will be asked for an EPA number or they wont come. Also ditto for tires. It cost ten bucks a truck tire to have them picked up. It is little wonder why you see junk tires along the roads.The county EPA guys will show up to make sure you are complying. The quote from independent shop means that the guy you called has plenty of work.

[@victorkreitner754]

I have a 2005 Toyota Tundra, and for pretty much all it's life I've gone to the same place to get my oil and filter changed. My place is called PROMPTO Oil change and service. Kinda like what a Jiffy Lube place is like. Never ever have I ever had to pay that much for an oil change. It's like 30.00 today, but has varied in the 20-30 range for like forever. Never will I go to Toyota for service. Find a trusted mechanic, and stick with them through your cars life. I've seen a few horror stories where people in dealerships have changed oil and accidently not put filters on tight enough, or peoples oil leaking right after having oil change service doneat a dealer.

[@10cpaul]

That's one service that the dealer was reasonable! I don't trust Toyota dealers! I have a great local shop and never let me down.. Have a 21 rav 4 they throw in that free Toyo service, TWICE 2 separate dealers they gave me paper work that the tire rotation was done, NOPE!! Liars! on paper work! How I know, 1500 miles into my ownership got a flat, the one tire has a different tire air stem!!! Same tire on the left front of car, gotcha!! I will only go back to dealer if its a major repair w potential warranty involved.

[@thnksno]

You're not going to save going elsewhere for manufacturer recommended maintenance. The dealer for that manufacturer is equipped to do these services specifically for that manufacturer. Independent shops need to prepare for all makes and models. Which costs them more and therefore they charge you more. However, you might be able to save at an independent shop if they only work on certain brands, like, say, only Japanese brands or only German brands.

[@littleigor1303]

Tim.... At your age always keep your rear-end, Lubed, clean and tight.

[@treavey1]

tim we've just got to get you an apartment/rental to live in as living in an rv long-term is tough and dangerous in a storm. all best wishes

[@johng.4959]

It's not about the money. What it should be about is doing the job correctly and with the correct parts and supplies by someone who is knowledgeable and been there before. You cannot put a price on expertise!