Toyota GR Corolla | First Drive, Leveling Expectations

[@mitchellsteindler]

Every video I've seen just looks like understeer. Probably needs a bit of setup like subarus.

[@savagegeese]

I think the biggest disservice from all these launch videos is putting these cars on dry pavement because I think once you get it on some loose surfaces and wet pavement or any snow it's going to be a blast to drive

[@bobeeman9730]

@@savagegeese I agree this car wasn't intended for a giant road course. But it keeps people safe, and gives spec sheet drivers a comparison helping to sell the higher power cars. Would not want people to know you will never use 400 hp without having an anxiety attack about a cop taking you away and towing your car or by spending a ton of money on track days.

[@fredericoespinoza]

Tyres were probably cooked as everyone was driving them too.

[@inaNis_]

Doesn't help that a lot of modern cars are setup to understeer from the factory

[@mg-by7uu]

That's AWD in general though. Understeer city

[@alexbaker7243]

This car will be my next daily driver. I am so excited to buy one used for $25k over MSRP in 2027.

[@FredericFreedom]

😂

[@ronnie_5150]

Yup. Should be "leveling expectations" on getting one. 500 cars for Canada, that's not even 2 per dealership. And of those all are all Core editions.

[@BadMannerKorea]

Aged poorly. You can buy them for MSRP.

[@LifeOfTuners]

Car companies - Sporty cars don't sell well so they're not profitbable Also those car companies when they make a sporty car "yeah we get that we have 34,000 preorders, but we're only gonna make 3 per year"

[@edwardmartinez4077]

Brooooo, that is sooo true. It is so irritating

[@AbeYousef]

they do sell well but aren't profitable they'd much rather sell you something bigger because they get MORE profit from it

[@doorey2]

"Sporty cars don't sell well" when thier idea of a sports car is a 3,800lb 240hp CROSSOVER thats been styled to look as aggresive as possible, tuned to understeer ALWAYS so its safe, doesn't come with a manual, and costs $50k. Sports cars sell when they don't SUCK!

[@wiegraf9009]

@@AbeYousef Yeah if it takes TEN TIMES as long to build one of these vs a normal Corolla AND it gets built in Japan then shipped to North America that is going to murder profit margins.

[@j.3854]

@@doorey2 like the current BMW 2 series (but with power).

[@austinfrazier7325]

Being on the older side it’s a little sad that a company releases a hot hatch or sports car and everyone goes crazy. Up until the early 2000s basically every company had at least one sporty car. Shows how starved the market is now.

[@TheGreektrojan]

On the one hand I agree in general that there are fewer options but honestly, I think the internet has really distorted how hot a typical hothatch is actually supposed to be. Performance on average has increased but the bar keep rising on what 'performance' consists of. Look at what people are expecting of these cars (especially at their pricepoints) and its practically supercar levels from a decade ago. Its hard to build a viable 'sports car' at the budget level based on what enthusiasts deem as sports car performance.

[@coredaqqer6197]

@@TheGreektrojan 100% agreed, can’t tell you how many times i’ve seen people expect companies to go balls to the wall and have a decent price point.

[@12ealDealOfficial]

Japan is hogging the cool kei cars that have been picking up the deficit of small fun cars.

[@crazycowboy213]

because everyone wants to go "electric". Me I don't, i prefer cars I can work on. Show me one electric car you can reliable work on? This along side the price gouging is the reason I do not buy new cars and won't until some sense is restored in the markets.

[@fartcannon]

The enthusiast market lives online. Manufacturers are in the business of selling new cars and the number of buyers for these new cars is extremely small.

[@dhmallet]

You guys are not the first out, but you add a lot more thought and special content into your films. Much appreciated!

[@cartilagehead]

makes sense that it’s “less edgy” than Type R with the AWD, etc. although a lot of people probably expected and hoped for the opposite. I think a lot of people expected this crazy firebreathing WRC car shoved into a Corolla body.

[@MaddNomad1015]

@L W people were expecting a Yaris with 4 doors on roids. Lmao

[@MrScoobieman]

Agreed

[@MrScoobieman]

I canceled my type R order for this car …. Now regret that decision

[@brodiwheeler7583]

@@MrScoobieman I’ll take your allocation if it’s a circuit edition!

[@Toyota4Life]

@L W dude cut the bullshit with Toyotas style lol

[@jgfjfgjfhjf]

Toyota and their push of the GR brand is legitimately making Toyota cars exciting again (I wish you guys did a Yaris GR review, even if it doesn't come to the US)

[@AzNightmare]

*No point. No one can buy it in US... It'll only make us cry even more.*

[@jgfjfgjfhjf]

@@AzNightmare I bet they have viewers outside the US too :)

[@alexnutcasio936]

@@AzNightmare who’s crying? We don’t even have Yaris either.

[@illegalopinions4082]

To bad it's down at least 1 cylinder and 1 litre displacement

[@jgfjfgjfhjf]

@@illegalopinions4082 if they engineered that motor right, and everyone seems to agree that they did, 3 pot is not an issue, and it's easier to package and weighs less.

[@CarCrazy24]

Stunning car. So sad that dealers will likely ruin the entire experience.

[@AmericanDuck]

I agree. They will mark this up like they do the Civic-R.

[@realnapster1522]

Hate the stealers. Please Toyota, allow direct orders.

[@AarmOZ84]

There is a reason I don't own a Toyota despite how good their products are.

[@skiddlyd.244]

@@realnapster1522 You can’t directly buy cars from manufacturers because of laws that car dealers have lobbied for to protect them.

[@kecs2]

@@skiddlyd.244 Ford is doing it.

[@Blanderr]

Actually ingenious for toyota to stick a child seat mount on that stiffening bar. I hear a lot say they don't care about having a back seat for friends but they do need one for the kid. Such a small addition that makes the car a viable option for more people

[@pastorofmuppets8834]

And three seats in the rear, unlike the Civic type R (for the non-morizo)

[@harryspeakup8452]

Agreed, it is a very smart thing to do

[@ericherrmann5470]

Will be super useful for all 200 of the people that will get to buy the Morizo 👍

[@j.3854]

@@ericherrmann5470 😂🥸

[@Dantastic123]

For when the newborn wants to feel the Gs.... Haha

[@Canyondriver]

Really appreciated the engineer's input and the review of different trims of the car. It's exactly what I thought I would be; more focus on stability.

[@EddyJoe]

My KZbin page was littered with all the GR Corolla videos but yours was the first I clicked. Love your work. Been with you since the beginning.

[@moloono1]

God, I love how savagegeese gets the engineers to explain stuff. Less guessing and more explanations/understanding. Probably the best part of these reviews, other than the spectacular production value.

[@whatsapp9768]

👍👍 Thanks for watching Let's talk now 🔝🔝.

[@StinkySundae]

Id say because of this part, channels like throttle house will always be popular. The mechanical part is boring to most viewers TBH

[@matthewvicari6762]

Even the Poverty Spec will be at least $45k after the dealer non-con fees. Hopefully the market will calm down in 5 years, and hopefully this car will still be in production by then. I would absolutely buy one for a fair price.

[@thomastoochal2133]

1 year later and I got mine at msrp. They also gave me a great trade in on my XSE Corolla

[@jfazzuoli3813]

No mention of the amazing engineering of the engine. 3 cylinders with each cylinder making its own 100hp is pretty amazing and deserves its own stand alone video.

[@wiegraf9009]

It'll be in the full review

[@MrDkusa]

Don't forget it's turbocharged

[@emotionz3]

As amazing as the engine and drive train are, combined with some more cooling, braking power, welds and adhesives doesn’t justify charging TWICE as much as a well equipped regular Corolla. I knew this car would be expensive but it’s ridiculously expensive. 42k for a Corolla that doesn’t have Recaro-quality seats, direct link shifter, padded interior touch points, or even half the creature comforts of a basic Mazda 3 Hatchback…I’m lost on this one. The Circuit is worth 35k and anybody paying over that isn’t shopping around because there are far more competitive products for 40 grand. And at 50 grand the Morizo is a joke. A Mazda Miata is a better track car for half the price because unlike the Morizo you can walk into a Mazda dealer and get one at MSRP. I suspect Toyota didn’t intend to charge this much but with the Focus and Impreza exiting the competition, they were emboldened to bend people over because without competition they know people will pay 50k-60k for a plastic Corolla with 300hp. It’s humbling they brought this car here, but I would have preferred the Yaris, which looks better, is faster, and costs 32k.

[@rolexomegaspecialist9411]

@@emotionz3 No worries...Toyota will sell every one of them. - Track cars are neat...but that isn't the real world where people drive in rain, snow, mud, potholes, etc. - Mazda's are good cars, but Toyota still builds the most reliable cars on the planet. That brand recognition AND product integrity is something other car companies strive to emulate but don't duplicate.

[@Ficon]

No mention of the amazing turbo lag either. I guess it will come up in the street drive.

[@Duuhvis]

Had mine for 2 years now, and I love this thing. Granted it’s not perfection out of the box, but with some mods this has turned into a weapon. Got mine to about 350 whp and it’s just such a riot. Haven’t had any issues mechanically other than normal wear and tear. Definitely my favorite car I’ve ever owned so far

[@questioner1596]

Here in Canada our Core comes with LSD & heated seats! Thank you Toyota for acknowledging the existence of winter.

[@hexagonosaurus5848]

Youre gonna pay for that its just an optional extra fitted as standard and price adjusted for that

[@questioner1596]

@@hexagonosaurus5848 except you can get it without having to spring for the carbon fibre roof package, which costs significantly more.

[@questioner1596]

@@hexagonosaurus5848, also Canadian base price is $45,490 CAD = $34,538 USD. US base price is $36,995, so it's more money for less features. Maybe they expect to sell more per capita here?

[@sesomediagroup]

Off cycle Savagegeese drops always bring that extra heat

[@jesserhodes7430]

Really enjoy the vids that showcase the engineering from the designers, not that Mr goose and Jack don't do a phenomenal job themselves. This thing looks cool, not in my wheel house but I did add a stripe to the top of my f150 steering wheel with blue tape so watch out on the track circuit .

[@Wind_slash0]

I don't. Already watched so many videos that showcase the engineering, I mean who hasn't if they're following this car. It's just inflating their video for revenue but whatever.

[@Slowwagonftl]

It’s giving old school Geese

[@jesserhodes7430]

@@Wind_slash0 I totally get your point, twelve other channels showcased this car this a.m. but in my opinion they go above and beyond the other channels or atleast showcase it in a way that's more appealing to me personally.

[@mohawk5010]

Father Goose

[@kolt9051]

I only watch SG, so I always like to hear from the engineers too!

[@spdcrzy]

One thing that's unique among the processes used by Toyota (and Lexus by extension) is the concept that parts don't HAVE to be perfect as long as the combination is - and I'm glad to see them continuing to use that philosophy to make the best car possible.

[@RotchildFrancoisJr]

Is there any recommended readings on this? Seems super interesting

[@williammorales3859]

@@RotchildFrancoisJr I don't really have any readings about this but for example the RCF is a combination of the GS and IS parts and its a great car. Also the new IS500 has combined parts of the RC and GS.

[@Anya-Prime]

I wonder if there is a major caveat that - once you need to replace parts, they’ll never match well again? Or I guess that philosophy applies only to major suspension parts and things that are designed for the life of the car… Well, I guess the third owners that replace suspension arms and dampers and stuff are just gonna throw rockauto budget stuff or tuner coilovers on the car anyway, so it doesn’t matter.

[@spdcrzy]

@@Anya-Prime Not necessarily. This is more of an engineering philosophy than anything else. For example, small parts tolerances can be in the tens of thousandths, so two use cases might be matching pistons that might be a half gram heavier with a ring assembly that's a half gram lighter to balance things out or figuring out how to match a part that's over spec by 5 micronswith another part that's under spec by 5 microns to get an assembly that's perfectly in spec, and so on. The same philosophy applies to larger tolerances as well, such as panel gaps and Since everything is recorded nowadays, even if you do need to replace parts, the likelihood is that the shop you go to will have access to the records of which parts with what tolerances are needed where. It's actually a very ingenious system that takes into account the fact that mass production, by its very nature, is not perfect and requires every product to have certain dimensional tolerances to allow for everything from thermal expansion to tool and mold degradation.

[@Anya-Prime]

@@spdcrzy that makes sense, I figured it was referring to submillimeter tolerances and stuff, but I didn’t know this was a widespread philosophy. Also, you’re saying shops have access to this data for repairs and rebuilds? Like - dealerships and pro race car shops? Or my friendly bob’s auto down the street and enthusiasts with tech data logins? I’ve never heard of these records being available before

[@ProLeopardx1]

I heard (according to Jason from Engineering Explained - who heard it from the Chief Engineer for the GR Corolla) that the car actually drifts better in Front Bias and Track mode relative to Rear Bias mode on dry ground. This is because you're trying to get all 4 wheels spinning when you drift, so if you get the 30/70 split you kick the back out and the front then doesn't have enough torque, so it maintains grip and pulls you out of the drift. However it still might be a bit difficult to swing the rear out completely on dry ground. If you're in a low grip surface then you should use Rear Bias mode and you'll kick the rear out easily. And of course, we still got that manual handbrake, which cuts power to the rear axle when pulled. Thus, you'd want the car in Front Bias mode here so the front has as much torque as possible.

[@HandsomeAlex25]

I watched that video too, but I my couch commentator opinion from these reviews is that the feeling of rotation is enhanced in the 30/70 torque split vs the 50/50. This makes sense when you're within the limits of grip, as the rear axle will lock more on and off throttle (depending on how tight they have the rear LSD set), inducing additional weight transfer, aiding rotation. In a slip scenario (ie drift), yes the Toyota engineer and EE's video are correct, having both axles get the same torque will make breaking traction easier on throttle.

[@veryrare7647]

yea that makes no sense.... theres zero possibility that theyvare talking about the kind of drifting you do in a 240sx

[@ProLeopardx1]

@@veryrare7647 They aren't, an AWD car drifts very different to a full RWD car. Unfortunately you can't change the bias to 100% rear due to how the clutch pack system works in the GR Corolla. This is a rally bred car though, so it's meant to be much better suited for more inclement weather and less prepped surfaces (dirt, gravel, snow, etc). A rear drive car like the 240sx would have way too much oversteer for a rally style course anyway. These are just different cars built for different purposes.

[@KiraOniiChan]

I'm not going for this car but at my dealership, there's already 15 people in line and was told they would probably only get 1 maybe 2 GR Corolla's so good luck to everyone out there and hopefully you're number 1 on the list.

[@717xcrunner]

Can’t WAIT to drive one! My wife wants one, she’s had a ‘19 XSE Corolla for years

[@AzNightmare]

*lolllll, night and day diff.*

[@alexnutcasio936]

A whole three years?

[@mogulmayhem]

I just took delivery of my core edition. It's a race car. With a roof rack for my bikes.

[@UltraViolet_Moses]

This cars release has been a bit soured for me. I adore the car and everything about it. The availability ruined it for me. I was one of the first people in my province to pre order the GR Corolla (I’m in Canada for those of you US viewers). And was more than ready to buy this. Unfortunately production is so limited and the units coming to Canada (my dealer said maybe 100-200 cars for the whole country) and the specific dealer I pre ordered with, will be getting zero GR corollas until late 2023 at the earliest, and even though I was one of the first pre orders, I would be waiting until 2023/2024 for my car.This may be different in the states, and I can’t wait to see these things around as the more hot hatches the better, but for those up North, best of luck finding one of these

[@binskee677]

Yea i waited 1.5 years for my GR Yaris, and i ordered as early as possible

[@TerryManitoba]

I have my name down in CA as well and am not holding my breath to even get a Core till spring much less the Circuit edition which is what I am really after... I'm hanging on to my Fiesta ST till it happens.

[@UltraViolet_Moses]

@@TerryManitobafunnily enough I also have a Fiesta ST, I might just keep it long term after this

[@BigsGaming]

@@TerryManitoba im looking for something to trade my wrx in for im giving it till next march them im going to start looking at importing a jzx100

[@TerryManitoba]

@@UltraViolet_Moses👍👍 I sold a couple fast cars & kept the cheaper and almost more fun ST & was not looking to sell it. Until the GR was announced - I put a deposit on one that day❗❗

[@RyanSheppard]

Congratulations on 600,000 subscribers!

[@no_lft_shft]

It's hard to get excited about new cars because dealerships are making it impossible to afford it with the mark ups. Like the new Z, the manual Supra I mean the list goes on.

[@realcreamofwheat7728]

Yep, might as well try to sell this one for 100k plus, cause, why not.

[@povertyspec9651]

Give the Z two years. Nissan will not limit supply. Once the supply chain issues are solved, Nissan will make as many as they can sell and the dealers will not be charging huge markups.

[@vapeking466]

Some auto manufacturers have banned dealers from selling any of their cars over MSRP. If caught they lose the right to sell the cars forever! This should be implemented by all manufacturers.

[@no_lft_shft]

@@vapeking466 they sent out a memo. It was ford that did it. Will they actually follow through? Fuck no. I inquired about a gt500 order and they told me that there will be a minimum of 20k mark up on the order. They won't do a damn thing about it because legally I don't think they can. They can threaten them and tell them they will with hold vehicles from their lots but until it goes the way of Tesla I don't see it stopping.

[@12ealDealOfficial]

Sad thing is, if I had money for this, I'd buy two 90s Carolas instead; one for daily one for when the first one exceeds 310,000 miles.

[@rondail5675]

Best review compared to all the other reviews! Well done Mark.

[@TerryManitoba]

Most of the other reviewer are annoying as f - adults, fake giggling like school girls in an attempt to emulate Chris Harris. Only CH can do CH. Thank God SG are the adults in the room. I also really enjoy the give and take of having 2 guys in the cabin during a review.

[@ToneNYC718]

I'm usually not a fan of digital gauges, but I like how industrial these look. Almost like something out of Gran Turismo

[@jbraunger]

I like that they are pushing hot hatches! I don’t like that the segment that likes hot hatches can no longer afford them.

[@AbeYousef]

yeah who tf can afford 40k for a fucking hot hatch (nevermind the markups that are gonna be on these things)

[@boygonewhoopdataZZ]

Veloster N was 26k when it came out 😂

[@xxtoptankxx6873]

@@boygonewhoopdataZZ yeah VN was the last affordable hot hatch tbh.

[@markmiller3279]

@@xxtoptankxx6873 And hardly anyone bought it. Younger buyers have no nostalgic feelings about the class. They're more likely to sell to guys in their forties and fifties (especially since it's a Toyota.)

[@lifesAtrip513]

@@markmiller3279 so old people drive toyotas? 3 of my highschool buddies bought a toyota

[@vagabond1776]

Regardless of price gouging, it’s still a positive if Toyota sells every GR Corolla they build.👍

[@joshuaerickson2458]

Uhhh no it is positive if there is a strong market with winners and losers like we had when the Type R and RS. This is a monopoly. Like saying it is a positive if Amazon sells every item it has for sale. I went to a dealer the other day to see the price on a brand new base Civic, they want 36k! This must be 70k

[@vagabond1776]

@@joshuaerickson2458 you’re looking at it from an idealistic perspective. Sure, but Toyota has to also manage its risk…there’s a fine line between wanting the car and actually buying the car. Selling out the GR Corolla represents a strong market and sends the right message (especially in this age of SUV’s and EV’s). It’s simple supply and demand…if Toyota continues to build the GRC (or/increases production) prices will eventually fall. But if you have to be the first one on the block with it, then you’ll just have to pay up. My point is, if the GRC continues to sell well, you’ll get yours too….you just have to be patient. As for current vehicle prices, I’m not even concerned. If you’re foolish enough to pay the dealer markup on any car, then more power to ya. I would just keep driving my clunker until the current market resolves itself. But if you have to buy a car, I would get a used one for less than $20k to simply get by till then…plenty of “cheap” ones that’ll last longer than this supply chain issue.🤪

[@joshuaerickson2458]

@@vagabond1776 yeah but we nothing without ideals. Try telling your kids they will grow up in a climate change wasteland for example. I I really like the idea of this car, but with only 6k coming it will be awful. Only 2k for the rest of the world?! There should be a lottery or competition racing league to win an order.

[@vagabond1776]

@@joshuaerickson2458 have faith my friend. Everything will sort itself out, even the climate….if we don’t take care of Mother Nature, she’ll take care of us (for better or worse).🤪 It may not be attainable now, but just be happy that the GRC exists….it’s success will continue its legacy and hopefully bring on new rivals!😃😉

[@rolexomegaspecialist9411]

@@joshuaerickson2458 Dinosaurs didn't wear ear muffs...because they didn't live in the Ice-Age: the Earth's climate has always been changing. - Vagina's of average level intelligence and BETA-Males/SIMPS have now taken over the world: everything is painted in WORST case scenario's, your not "SAFE" tying your own shoe-laces, "I can be all things to all people", "I suffer from delusional paranoia, depression, anxiety, panic-attacks, and am scared of my own shadow...and you MUST internalize all of my psychoses (including pronouns, Peter-Pan is a 'gender', and Men can have babies)" ad nausea. - The sky isn't falling in other words.

[@elliotthall5543]

Best car channel on KZbin. Thanks, Guys!

[@NuhUhNotTrue]

So far everyone's got nothing but good to say about this car and I really like how this thing looks. If I was financially stable I'd be very tempted to pick one of these up. Especially since I'm a big hothatch guy

[@Gaben38]

It's going to be vaporware anyway thanks to dealerships.

[@Vashed555]

Pay attention to the reviews. Everyone has also said understeer, that the seats aren’t good, that you can’t get one, that the core needs better tires, that the top end version is too expensive. You’ll hear what you want, but listen to the whole picture.

[@NuhUhNotTrue]

Well, not like I'm financially stable for one anyways, either way it's definitely not my first pick either. The GR86 would be my first choice from Toyota.

[@TheJovan21]

You'll get there financially bro! 🙏

[@NuhUhNotTrue]

@@TheJovan21 thanks bro

[@AmandaAcresHomestead]

Congrats on 600k subs!

[@melondoc]

This strikes me as the kind of car that would be super cool & great value if it were relatively unknown/obscure and selling at or a bit below MSRP. As it stands, as a 'hype car' selling with $30K-$50K ADM, it's just tragic. These will be great used buys when the car market returns to normality.

[@cayman9873]

If the market ever returns

[@JackoBanon1]

The shortage will be over next year and the demand for BEVs will be higher (which can only be produced in a limited amount because of battery production) so ICE cars will get back to normal prices sooner or later.

[@rotor13]

@@JackoBanon1 Shortage wont disspate that quickly.

[@AbeYousef]

car market won't return to normalcy, in fact used prices will only ever get higher as people get poorer, and new prices will climb higher too as a result because they will be able to get away with it, just look at any eastern european country, 10 year old used cars are going for 75% of original msrp even if they have a ton of problems simply because people can't afford to buy new

[@Incomudro1963]

@@AbeYousef Used car prices have been dropping for weeks.

[@SlickSniper3]

Gr Supra, Corolla, 86 and yaris..man Toyota is really giving us a treat for the peak of the ice golden years. Thank you Toyota.

[@JimboJason]

Thanks for the video! Looks like a fun car, too bad the "added dealer mark up" is going to ruin it:(

[@darrenmathias9384]

+$10,000 "Child seat hook"

[@marclangman4836]

Don’t blame the dealers, blame the many people who are willing to pay it. Dealers will stop this practice when people stop buying.

[@nornibres]

Mark hit the nail on the head. I would buy this car for winter fun.

[@geraldgoodiii6993]

Love the car Not the $60+ OTD price even all core models will sell for. ITS NOT A DAMN PAGANI.. why limit the production to make it “limited” I guess I’ll just finish my big turbo Veloster N .. built motor final frontier

[@lillumination5388]

I drive one, a hybrid, second year by now. In Europe. A delight. Travelled through difficult terrains, the Dolomites, Austrian Alps, tiny pre-Roman hilltop villages in S. Italy where roads are super narrow ans twisted... not a scratch. The car is super obedient, often I feel, it reads my mind.

[@dubsrevo]

The fact its built in the masa gr factory makes me happy and so much cooler. I wish my GR Supra was built there too

[@binskee677]

I mean the Supra is built in Austria by Magna Steyer (stellantis) who builds the G Wagon and other exclusive cars!

[@gwot]

@@binskee677 that doesn't make it any better... The G Wagon's poorly built, it's just expensive. To have a dedicated factory and takumi just building 2 sport models... THAT is pinnacle.

[@Trussme96]

@@gwot If G-Wagens are poorly built, I'm Charles Barkley

[@binskee677]

@@gwot they are also building other models there e.g. the Miurai etc.

[@gwot]

@@Trussme96 hello charles, whoever you are. G wagens are poorly built, along with most european super cars.

[@mitchjames9350]

I am glad that we are getting both the GR Corolla and GR Yaris here in Australia.

[@thomaszhu2277]

Cant wait for this full review to happen

[@b-dogs1038]

I’ve paused 40 seconds in.. gonna wait till bedtime with headphones. What a treat!

[@whatsapp9768]

👍👍 Thanks for watching Let's talk now 🔝🔝

[@GearboxCarReviews]

Love the quality - both in terms of visuals and information - that you guys bring to the table, even with a rush job at a launch event. Hope to one day get to even a fraction of this quality. Thanks for painting such a great picture of this one. Definitely one I've been curious about (along with everyone else) for a while. Looking forward to the full thoughts when you get ahold of one again.

[@mehdimohamed6291]

Y’all the best on KZbin. Bless y’all.

[@whatsapp9768]

👍👍 Thanks for watching Let's talk now 🔝🔝

[@AnonAnon-qi4ts]

Perfect successor to the Sti. A safe awd car that pushes when you give it the beans. Just like the WRX. I guess people like that...

[@veryrare7647]

insurance companies like it.

[@chasebricker639]

This was the most informative review posted today. Nobody else dove into the driving characteristics like this

[@TheAngryDuckman]

Nice driving on the track, Mark, especially for someone who hasn't been on the track before!! This is my home track where I do NASA TT5 and I instruct new students and get former drivers up to speed through the HPDE program.

[@leesonneville1817]

Name of the track?

[@TheAngryDuckman]

@@leesonneville1817 Utah Motorsports Campus.

[@thatlindgirlinutah5829]

@@leesonneville1817 It's between Tooele and Grantsville in the Tooele Valley, about 30-35 miles SW of Salt Lake City. We can hear the cars out on the track on some weekends during the summer from our house in Tooele.

[@michaelfried3123]

I've been on UMC (Utah Motorsports) racetrack twice for ST Octane Academy. First time I was very distracted by the mountain views literally everywhere. Great place, the people were great there!

[@colin-nekritz]

Awesome music bed choices as usual Mark. Oh, and great video about a car that alas won’t attract my next wife as well as an Aston Martin.

[@treaves2175]

Maybe it’s time to try attracting dudes. I’d leave my wife for u if u offered me a morizo 😘

[@markmiller3279]

You can buy her a used Cygnet. Just don't tell her it's really a Toyota.

[@MarshallHurtado]

Happy 600K, guys, you deserve 600K more

[@sdlausen1]

Imagine... just imagine if every car company had a CEO like Akiyo Toyoda. What a legend!

[@ginzero]

The "Definitive" GR Corrolla video.. thanks guys!

[@kcm732]

man, toyota made the perfect car, especially in this modern automotive age. its UNREAL that it exists. just really upsetting how dealers will ruin the already limited availability with markups etc. but still. just, want a great machine.

[@pinkipipe]

This channel is just the best ! Great Job and great car !

[@kieranmandy9987]

Driving impressions sound like "WRX that wasn't build by a dump truck company"

[@Firewired1]

600K subs ! Congrats

[@j.redbeard99]

The GR Corolla is not a car for me, but I watch anyway because Mark and Jack are that good. Hope this car brings joy to whoever buys one.

[@ThatOneVideo1]

I really, REALLY want to like this, I just cannot get over the styling.

[@Incomudro1963]

It's styled for 15 year old's, but priced for 40 year old's.

[@markmiller3279]

Yeah, those rear fender flares are clumsy as hell. They remind me of Hot Wheels.

[@funkyfurballs1078]

It really is hideous... bulky and tall.

[@sly9263]

Stated seeing the GR Corolla uploads in my feed today... I was flaccid until SG finally uploaded!

[@RaphaelYC]

How does it compare to EVOs, STIs and the Focus RS

[@MaddNomad1015]

Look at throttle house’s review. The GRC is neck and neck with the previous gen STI in a straight, slower than the Golf R in the straight, but faster on the track.

[@savagegeese]

I didn't have them back to back obviously but I would say the Corolla feels way softer and slower under first impressions. But we were also at a higher elevation in the heat and on a track that was very uninspiring

[@kristofferglennpfalmer4751]

The best review I've seen. Great insight into how the car drives and why instead of mindless raving about how great it is to have a car like this available from Toyota (although I agree with the sentiment) as I've seen from other reviews.

[@ThunderGoatz]

really seems like it needs a stiffer rear sway bar to bring some liftoff oversteer into the equation. That with 70% rear torque should be enough to hold a half decent slide through corners.

[@gwot]

yup, sounds very much like tuning a Subaru

[@ThunderGoatz]

@@gwot or a golf!

[@revoltman8685]

glad you are still making those

[@Soh90]

Love the machine gun fire sounds that all Toyota/Lexus makes at redline lol. It’s so wild from a company that so seemingly timid.

[@12ealDealOfficial]

Toyota was bold as hell for decades. Honda and Toyota have only been mostly boring since 2008.

[@Toyota4Life]

Toyota is not a timid company they are far from that they MORE performance cars then Honda, Lexus make the most powerful Japanese luxury cars. The new tundra has almost 500hp. Pay attention Toyota and lexus are not “timid” YOUR just not paying attention to Toyota and aren’t a Toyota guy I can tell by the TSX all you know is Honda… sadly

[@Toyota4Life]

@@12ealDealOfficial Toyota was not boring they made fun cars overseas America didn’t get them

[@Soh90]

@@Toyota4Life “seemingly timid” key words mate. I am most certainly NOT a Honda guy lol, but I did love that TSX in my profile. It was my first big boy purchase years ago and was a fantastic car regardless of the badge. I am very aware of the masters over at Toyota. While people say Honda makes the best engines, they only toddle around with 4 bangers and V6’s while Toyota has one of the best 4 cylinders (2zz), best 6 cylinder (2JZ), one of the best V8’s (1UR and 2UR) and the best V10 ever made in my book…… again key words is “seemingly timid”.

[@sigmaprojects]

@@12ealDealOfficial For reals, when there was that economic boom in the 80's man was it an exciting time. In a span of just a few years we saw Celica in FR to turbo AWD, The AE86, the Corolla FX-16, the MR2, Starlets, MK2 Supra to MK3 Supra, like there was pretty much something for everyone, like whatever flavor car you wanted they almost had it.

[@dko8546]

Nice work! Love the 80's-esque video game music!

[@aspecreviews]

Disappointed that GR-Four can transfer 70% of the power to the rear axle, but doesn’t have an Evo-style torque vectoring differential.

[@seanyoung6989]

One thing you guy forgot to mention, that blows my mind, is this is a 3 cylinder! Impressive Toyota!

[@Kacpa2]

Would love to see a Corolla GRFour Wagon in Europe. It could compete with Focus ST Wagon and Golf R/GTi Wagon.

[@MrWqk]

Too big for 3 cylinders

[@dougrobinson8602]

VW really needs to build a Golf R wagon. Do it. Now!

[@Kacpa2]

@@MrWqk No, Wagon version is barely any heavier and its fine with much weaker 1.2 turbo. Also Volvo have been doing 2.0L Turbo fullsize SUVs for a while, lets not pretend like extra 40kg would hurt this car.

[@Kacpa2]

@@dougrobinson8602 They already do it but only for european market, maybe some others like Australia too.

[@Trussme96]

@@MrWqk 300hp is 300hp regardless of cylinders

[@woocoheed]

600k subscribers, congrats

[@12ealDealOfficial]

Exterior qualms aside: this is as close to perfect as you'll get in a contemporary vehicle. This is affordable, the electronic intervention can be defeated (we'll see), manual transmission on ALL trims, and it's a Toyota. This is a worthy sidepiece to my MR-S.

[@fzr1000981]

2023 M2. This thing will be lucky to put down 220 on a dyno

[@12ealDealOfficial]

@@fzr1000981 Doesn't matter, unless the car is heavier than I expect.

[@fzr1000981]

If power doesn't matter just buy a Miata. It does matter

[@12ealDealOfficial]

@@fzr1000981 Say it with me: "power to weight."

[@fzr1000981]

You're talking to someone who drove a modded FD RX-7 (2800 lbs) with 360 rwhp for 18 years. Next?

[@HigeYatsu]

Yours is always the first video I'll watch when an embargo lifts. Great review as always!

[@ericiidx]

The engine specs amaze me every time I see them! 300 HP out of a 1.6L 3-cyl is wizardry.

[@79johnJ]

it will be truly magical if that engine lasts longer then 60.000miles - but I doubt that...

[@makstone]

@@79johnJ And just when has Toyota EVER made an engine that wasn't reliable?? You are reaching bruh.

[@nomadben]

@@makstone Every 7M-GTE would blow its head gasket as set up from the factory. From what I understand, Toyota never officially acknowledged the problem and tried to sweep it under the rug. Other than that, they were pretty good engines.

[@makstone]

@@nomadben 7M-GTE? Toyota has made many more engines since that problem...which was over 10 years ago! My point is that today's engines are far more sophisticated than the one you mention...so to say that the engine used in this car won't last because of one that had a gasket issue 10 years ago is a stretch.

[@nomadben]

@@makstone I'm not saying that at all, I was just giving an example of a Toyota engine that wasn't totally reliable. I'm sure this new engine will be much better.

[@kevind4061]

Ty Toyota! Ty SG! I am overjoyed to see when a name brand gives attention to creators such as yourselves.

[@alexnutcasio936]

Biggest issue with GR Corolla. Finding one.

[@epicurusgod]

Thank you Savagegeese. Another great review

[@patrickbilodeau3785]

Cool car ! That being said, I'm happy with my Elantra N, no regrets ! 😉

[@danp8309]

Same here!

[@shrijanaryal4923]

Yeah these guys weren't as happy when driving this when compared to EN.

[@NoodlesExtraMSG]

@@shrijanaryal4923 well.. to be fair. This was press event at a track they are not as familiar with.. and they weren't expecting much from Hyundai Whereas this thing has SO MUCH Hype. But yes i would love to see this, Elantra N, Civic R, Golf R/Audi S3 in a vid from SG

[@markmiller3279]

@@NoodlesExtraMSG Yeah, maybe the Core Edition could be a reasonable Elantra N competitor, but Toyota was aiming higher with the pricier editions. In ordinary driving the Hyundai may be just as much fun, but on a track I'd expect the Toyota to hold up better.

[@lowtori]

I love the unique character of this car. Sure there are other faster cars, but there's something to be said about having a car that has so much character from its engine to styling and heritage! Love what Toyota is doing

[@kmem-wo3gu]

Great video, the gr's will be a future collectible for sure and the 3 cylinder sounds great

[@Wind_slash0]

Really despise the word "collectible"

[@JacesOwnWorld]

its a cheap car. Collectible isn't really applicable...

[@wiegraf9009]

@@JacesOwnWorld A lot of 90s JDM cars people collect were cheap cars too. I can't imagine being rich enough to have a car collection but yeah not every collection car is a halo car.

[@markmiller3279]

@@JacesOwnWorld Probably for the Morizo Edition. Not much for the others until maybe 2050, when the nostalgia comes on strong. By then ICE vehicles may be a pain to actually keep running, or prohibitively expensive to license, so it may never have a revival of interest.

[@gmonnig]

I love my 22’ Corolla XSE 6speed Hatchback. It’s my daily driver so I have not tuned it. I love the rear seat delete on the top tier. I am an empty nester now and I’ve had my seats folded down for at least 6months.

[@Andy-Andeee]

LT1 Camaro, best bang for the money.

[@pieswimmer1]

Yessir

[@mabolzichjjl]

I haven't even watched the video yet but this is the one I've been waiting for (uncharacteristically impatiently I might add)

[@bRiAn55549]

Love the wheels they picked they look a lot like the storm s1 wheels I have on the miata

[@jessemaassen9478]

I've been waiting so long for this!

[@sage11x]

I love that they made this but I feel it’s a bit pricey for what you get. By the time you option the LSDs (which you need) you’re at 40K. 40K for a Corolla? I would probably say the same thing about the Type R but the base civic is a lot nicer car to live with everyday: better materials, bigger back seat, better seats period.

[@homebrew1709]

Agree. It should be a crime to charge $40K for a Corolla (or whatever the cost is with markups) with cloth seats, cheap plastic all over the interior and useless back seats. I wouldn’t care if it does 0-60 in 3 seconds, it’s still a Corolla and no self-respecting adult should ever pay this much for one.

[@Hunter-ex2sw]

Love this channel

[@CTR_Dan]

Can't wait to see this compared to the Type R

[@melloman5517]

Throtle house around there track 0.22 seconds slower than type R. One less cylinder 2 more drive wheels. Putting the heat on ol Honda

[@CTR_Dan]

@@melloman5517 I wanna see their Nurburgring times with the new CTR

[@ABeans07]

FYI, we did get the Celica GT-Four in the USA 165 and 185. They branded it the "All Trac"

[@francisgomes9976]

Hope you don't mind paying 55k to 60k for base model

[@rolan2dr]

This is the best initial video review of this vehicle

[@blakslee720]

Damn, I was feeling the Morizo before you told us they went all “Porsche” charging more money for less stuff 😆

[@qwikz28]

Yeah it's a shame you can't get those dampers or extra structural rigidity on the circuit.

[@dougrobinson8602]

@@qwikz28 Hopefully, TRD will offer the monotube dampers as an aftermarket add-on. Either that, or wait for Ohlins or Koni to up the game. The extra rigidity is really only necessary due to the Michelin PS2's. If you're daily driving this thing with less sticky rubber, you will be fine without the Morizo chassis stiffness. The real shame of this is that 90% of Toyota dealers will be gouging. I'd expect to see the Morizo selling for 70 grand. Maybe even more. That's Supra money. Now that you can get a manual Supra with an interior that's not entirely made of recyclable plastic, I'd say that's the way to go.

[@coredaqqer6197]

@@dougrobinson8602 Yeah may be the way to go, but most of the people buying enthusiast cars have families. A supra is reserved for those who don’t or those who have weekend car money. The GR is a great choice because even the Morizo could handle family day if it must.

[@gwot]

it's got quite a bit more power, better suspension, wider tires and rims. So I wouldn't say it has less stuff. Albeit still not worth it IMO, cuz you could get all that aftermarket for less.

[@JacesOwnWorld]

That's the Toyota way, and dummies buy into it...

[@jakemarley5783]

I know I'm not the first to say this but I love yaws channel because you showcase engineers and designers. And when I see them smiling about the product they design, it makes me want one.

[@tealruby1]

it's spelled "Y'all"

[@brownwhale5518]

Toyota builds ~300,000 Camrys a year, but only ~6,600 GR Corollas a year. I get they have their reasons for doing that, but the GR Corolla coming to the US is just ‘meh’ to me.

[@abogoni]

i had a test drive of the Yaris GR a few weeks ago and it blew me away - the shifter and exaust and grip - cant wait for the Corolla GR to come out in AUS ❤️

[@OneJuanWon]

Given the limited production and MRSP (before the dealer markup), this new Corolla will be a hard sell for even some hard core Toyota enthusiasts. It is also likely to hold its value, or even appreciate in value, in years to come as niche market cars like this are getting much more rare. That being said, I think it says a lot about Toyota staying true to is motorsports history by dedicating resources for such an undertaking. Cars like this make the bean counters and shareholders cringe.

[@ExaltedDuck]

I was at the LA Auto Show the other day and what really struck me there was the roofs of almost every coupe and sedan. And I mean literally struck me. As in dealt a painful blow. Toyota/Lexus, especially. Other than the Tundra and Tacoma based vehicles, I literally couldn't even sit in anything they brought out. Camry, Carolla, RC, LC, IS... All of them had roofs that would impinge the top half of my head if it were possible to bend my neck and spine the way it would have to bend to get in the door hatches. Well, the LC I actually was able to fully sit in but only because it was a convertible and if I did drive it and had to brake hard, the window would be knocking out my teeth. It was difficult to get into the subarus, but I could. And the Charger, they were great around '05-'10. Now... probably drivable but have definitely lost space over the years. They say Americans don't want to buy sedans anymore, that SUVs are all that sells. But if we had reasonably comfortable sedans and coupes with usable front and back seats and cargo space, they would sell stupidly fast. Like that first-gen new charger. I remember getting into a Golf in 2005 and being amazed that *I* had to move the seat forward a few notches. It was incredibly comfortable. The 2023 at the show...I got my right leg in and butt halfway into the seat and realized it was yet another one of those cars I simply could not physically occupy. So thumbs up to the auto industry. Enjoy the upcoming market collapse. You've earned it.

[@WarriorsPhoto]

I must say I am shocked by your initial review. I truly wasn't expecting an understeer queen. But then again what is safer? Understeer.

[@whatsapp9768]

👍👍 Thanks for watching Let's talk now 🔝🔝.

[@darrenmathias9384]

By their logic, if you wanted more danger you would get the GR Supra. Seems fair.

[@fortheloveofnoise]

safe is boring

[@jimbe01]

Thank’s for the driver’s P.O.V. Track tour at the start of the video. More please.

[@fireye0889]

Me thinking this would be a perfect car for me if I could buy it for MSRP…

[@soldieroftafari]

Same

[@devrimhusrevoglu4356]

Waiting forever for this review. Thanks guys!