2023 Honda Civic Type R vs. 2023 Toyota GR Corolla | Which Hatch Is Hotter? | Track Tested!

[@edmundscars]

What's the single coolest feature on either car? Let us know in the comments below.

[@nmode22]

We want to see the Elantra n roll race with the type r. Already seen this match up, but both are both beautiful cars.

[@aroundomaha]

AWD in the Corolla with the ability to shift the balance between front and rear

[@GSTRification]

It’s got to be the dealer experience for both. More competitively matched in the markup wars than the performance between the two

[@copperkeyracing6167]

Dual injection system (both port and direct) on the GR Corolla, allowing you to just drop in larger port injectors, unlike the CTR which needs a $3k upgrade. That coupled with the G16 in the Corolla having incredibly thick cylinder walls which it allow it to 550whp so far.

[@KenanTurkiye]

Toyota; the side bulges, we miss bulges, thank you Toyota. : ) Hongad; the interior, loving the low slung interior, thank you Honda. : ) The request was for the ''single'' coolest feature of each car, so yeah. :/

[@malcolmar]

This is the comparison everyone has been waiting for. The awesome thing about these 2 cars is that no matter which one you choose everyone is a winner. The amount of passion both Toyota and Honda have put into these cars is inspiring. I am just glad cars like these are still being made.

[@lawzy2992]

Everyone was waiting for the comparison of a Type R in pilot sport 4s vs a GR Corolla in Cup 2s around an autocross course?

[@jessdelagarza1037]

@@lawzy2992like… lol

[@maxcurry9667]

@@lawzy2992 yes. Every single person I've known in the past or will know in the future has been waiting for this EXACT test. Tires and all.

[@Username-2]

Yeah sadly the Toyota is missing a cylinder.

[@KN-jw7ts]

And they still picked the grc…..figure that?

[@alfonsealbanese1785]

two cars that are essentially not obtainable without paying a ridiculously high premium. Glad they make them, but the law of supply and demand makes these cars absolutely not worth the money. . Period

[@housepianist]

True. I guarantee that every one you might see on the road, you know they probably paid at LEAST $5k to 10k over MSRP. Not worth it.

[@fj06carnone]

Relax. They JUST came out. It's how capitalism works.

[@Arsing116]

So true.

[@Maxfli82]

Exactly. Apple makes highly desirable products but doesn’t have markups or market adjustments. Dealers are just greedy.

[@Javyruiz]

A dealership told me 26K addendum on the car… I just straight up laughed and said fancy word to say you guys are just legally robbing people

[@wbwayne8887]

There better be more U-Drags coming soon. These 2 would have been perfect for that test.

[@H8HotWeather]

Put it on a circuit, not a cheesey autocross on a walmart parking lot 😂

[@hkhvr13]

This reflects what’s more likely to happen anyway.

[@realnapster1522]

On back roads the Type R will really shine. Corolla is good for rainy and snowy north east or Canada.

[@mbarton36]

A more apples to apples comparison with a circuit or core w/ performance pack to the pricing/weight is similar and the tires are the same would be a great thing to watch. Also maybe a full lap time between the two instead of the 30 second course shown in the video. The best comment from the clip and the reason I think the GR Corolla is the “winner” (paraphrasing- while smiling) “I can’t believe Toyota actually made this”

[@sunrisesunset1734]

This IS apples to apples. The Morizo edition is like a baby step up from a core Corolla with a change of tires and a tune. If you want to count unclipping the rear seat and lifting it out, go ahead. The Morizo Edition, it's the same car.

[@DerangedSloth555]

I'm not sure if anyone would want to mess with test cars direct from manufacters anyway.

[@jesustsa1]

They say sport/enthusiast cars just don’t sell and that’s why we have so many SUV’s, but I strongly believe that hasn’t been the case since at least 2017. If Honda and Toyota built 50k of these each year they would sell out.

[@malcolmar]

Agreed.

[@Youtubax]

I disagree. We the car enthusiasts took for granted the presence of ‘affordable’ performance japanese cars in the market for so many years straight that after all the economic crisis impacting our world recently we are realizing how spoiled we where. As a result, the 400Z, GR86 and the two in the video above represent holy grail like cars in a slowly decaying mass global car industry so people is willing to go nuts for them at the dealers. My point being, if Toyota and Honda made 50.000 of them every year none of us would be losing our minds about getting them at any cost. Also, most could end up selling below msrp even. There’s a reason why Mitsubishi and Subaru stopped producing this type of cars as their sales decreased every passing year… And thus the more profitable ‘Suv Route’ was born.

[@ll.7927]

@@Youtubax I disagree. The market hasn’t had good affordable sports cars until recent. N now there not enough of them to go around so the price is going threw the roof also causing slower sales.

[@winddiscovery-taberecopii5]

This test has nothing in common with a track. It's something improvised that Toyota, being narrow and small, fits better. On the circuit Honda wins by 1-2 sec and on the Green Hell Toyota loses by 30 sec

[@sunrisesunset1734]

Nonsense, they did a timed drag race and tested lateral g's. You can try to wish all wheel drive away all night. Not happening.

[@TheIronpusher]

Lol it's 2 slow affordable stock cars. Cant they just BOTH be fun to drive? People always looking for more than what's given to them.

[@sunrisesunset1734]

@@TheIronpusher slow? nothing you own is out-cornering a gr yaris or a gr corolla

[@gaycha6589]

No official Corolla time has been set at the Ring. …

[@dannybishop68]

Civic is faster on a real track. It got slightly better track time, Corolla just launches better and has the AWD advantage .

[@davothegreat9990]

And who track races?? 99% don't!!

[@dannybishop68]

@@davothegreat9990 either way even a long enough straight away the civic will still reel the back seatles morizo edition grc in, and overtake it. I sure would love to see the other versions . And just wait for the special edition type r. The advantaged overrated Corolla barely beats it in a drag .

[@sunrisesunset1734]

By your logic, Civic JUST has more horsepower, JUST has the bigger engine with a whole extra cylinder, yet, the Civic R gets gapped by the GR Corolla in a 1/4 mile drag, gapped on the skidpad in lateral g's, gapped in snow, gapped on gravel, and gapped for sure if any type of serious tuning begins to happen to either vehicle. This thing was built on top of a WRC-esque platform.

[@juanquiceno6561]

I'm saying put em on track. Civic would blow the doors. This seems a bit 1 sided but hey I'll wait for best motoring and dori dori for true track stuff. Good video

[@dougmaverick4108]

It all depends if the track was dry. The GR Corolla would destroy the Type-R on a wet or snow covered track and would be way more fun.

[@i.d.6492]

I disagree. Gr corolla is all wheel drive and lighter. You just mad because your type R fanboy but you don't even own any of these cars so stop crying noob

[@siasmoise661]

Type R for life ❤️

[@MLHunt]

I just don't understand why you'd want a GR Corolla Morizo. Rear seat delete makes it impractical as a daily, which means it's only suitable to be a weekend/fun car, and at the price there are much better options for that. I suspect most people buying these are just garaging them as an investment.

[@Badxperiment]

They are only making 500. More of a collector's car or major track enthusiast with a bunch of money. I think it is cool it's an option. Even if it is extremely limited

[@MLHunt]

@@Badxperiment Agree, it's a cool car and I'm glad Toyota made it.

[@lucienpetrus9432]

That's the point ☝️

[@mrblackbond]

They could have saved making this stupid edition and gave back 500 more core or circuit editions that people will buy. Supply will be low enough as it is…. 👎

[@MLHunt]

@@mrblackbond i kind of agree. Doesn't seem like this version does enough to make it a better track car to justify the cost of developing it, especially given the small size of the production run. The only point seems to have been creating an instant collectible, which is good for wealthy collector types I guess but doesn't do much for the sort of buyer, the person who wants a relatively affordable driver's car, that this thing is supposedly intended for. I guess I'm back to not really getting this point of this car again lol.

[@williambellisIII]

Would love to see this comparison on an actual track where higher speed stability and power actually matter. Autocross courses are so meh.

[@sunrisesunset1734]

If the GR Corolla beats the Civiv Type-R in the drag and in corners, I don't know what you are expecting to see. Wishing on a star maybe? Lol.

[@Username-2]

@@sunrisesunset1734except it doesn’t.

[@danepaulsen367]

The standard Civic Type R always compared to a lightened version of a hothatch🤣

[@LizardMane]

If there was a higher version of the type R they would have used that.

[@danepaulsen367]

@LizardMane a lightened version isn't necessary otherwise there wouldn't be any competition for it

[@sunrisesunset1734]

The Core Edition GR Corolla Performance pack at $39,000 beats the Civic R in the drag and in cornering lateral g's on the skidpad too. Same exact car. This Morizo edition just shows what the car can do with better tyres and a light tune with zero engine or turbo upgrades. I don't think the back seat matters much, the weight is negligible and removing 2 clips to take a back seat out of of any car also a non-issue.

[@chrismathes3647]

"Standard" what's the alternative a sport which is a step down!? 🤡🤦‍♂️💩

[@sodazman]

The Morizo edition is unobtainium. The FL5 Type R is expensive but the Morizo is even more expensive (if you can get even get one).

[@sunrisesunset1734]

The Core edition is easy to get though, and the performance of the Morizo edition wouldn't even be considered light modification. Using the Morizo is smart, it shows you what you'll have.

[@teelee8760]

What a great time to be alive and will, if you can get your hands on either one of these.

[@jasoncompany_JCO]

Love that Honda sticks with FWD !!!👌👌👌 Handling, And STOPPING are sooo important ; and FWD helps with these two abilities!!! HONDA knows FWD brings other things to the table instead of just focusing on speed. They are dominating Formula 1 they have enough data to make a faster vehicle, but Honda doesn’t just aim for speed, they think of the Overall performance of the vehicle!!!🙏 It fits 4 persons while also being a Track vehicle!!! This is why I would go with the Honda Type R. 🙂

[@ll.7927]

Actually fwd makes those two things worse.

[@jasoncompany_JCO]

@@ll.7927 Actually years of Honda engineering science has proven it a fact: Hence this car Excels in curved roads and tracks.🙂 Honda is understanding & improving FWD to the point where it is reaping its hidden benefits. 🙂 The cons of FWD are being reduced greatly with Honda, so we shouldn’t freeze the past FWD experiences. Improvement in FWD is evident. But Ive said enough, ill let the car keep talking with its actions. 🙂

[@LizardMane]

@@jasoncompany_JCO fwd sucks lol

[@kobedabest]

Stop being a Honda fanboy. Fwd freaking sucks... There's a reason why exotic cars don't run fwd...

[@LizardMane]

@@kobedabest exactly 😂 who tf thinks fwd is a good idea??

[@hdavey72]

The 6-Speed Manual

[@MHounan]

Both are going to be great fun. The build quality and interior quality is far superior on the type R

[@sunrisesunset1734]

I disagree, Toyotas generally last longer than Hondas, and interior quality isn't what you are buying the vehicle for. The GR Corolla is the mechanically superior vehicle, and with all wheel drive, it can race on snow and gravel too.

[@simonsmith582]

I put 3 deposits down and am now on a wait list for a Type R, a Golf R and a Type S. My local Toyota dealer couldn't even add me on a list as he expects a very small allocation for the next 3 years. I'm told to "possibly" expect a Type R or Golf R in 2024 or 2025. I have a good chance for the Acura this fall. At 49 years old, I think the Type S suits me best, but the AWD of the Golf and Corolla would certainly be an asset here in Canada. We shall see when the time comes, I suppose. Fingers crossed that at least one comes in.

[@malcolmar]

Congrats! All those cars will be modern-day classics.

[@dougmaverick4108]

I have 2 deposits down for a GR Corolla and one for a Golf R. I currently drive a Veloster N which is a lot if fun, but with fwd I get lots of spin and wheel hop and have trouble putting down the power. AWD will solve that problem.

[@keith6360]

Kudos to Toyota, I’d still take the Honda.

[@gryphon123456]

I know the GR Corolla was going to raise the bar for sport compacts. I’d love to try one.

[@naveenthemachine]

I thought the CTR Golf R and Elantra N were the ones who are supposed to do that

[@realnapster1522]

Corolla is overpriced. Type R seems to be more purpose built for racing.

[@gryphon123456]

@@realnapster1522 lol

[@puga4202]

@@realnapster1522 Corolla is literally $5000 cheaper than the Civic, with or without markups. You are delusional.

[@captainjack6890]

Raise the bar for sport compacts? Its really good but the Type R has been the gold standard for years.

[@LanceEJones]

I love that Fisher Stevens moonlights as a car reviewer in his spare time. Such a cool dude.

[@ridzuanali1919]

Hats off to everyone at Toyota, especially to Akio Toyoda aka Morizo. Salute!

[@travisstankowski7495]

No way will you ever out do a type R. Honda makes the world go round

[@reddhole3422]

Why test Morizo with Cup 2s and the Type R without them? Also, the Morizo is way more expensive and hardly any will be available. Should have tested the Circuit Edition.

[@sunrisesunset1734]

No one is going to put Cup 2s on a front wheel drive Civic. The Morizo is a Core edition with "enhancements" that a school girl could pay for, lifting out the back seat might be more challenging for her though. The Morizo edition is what you will easily have if you love your Core Edition.

[@reddhole3422]

@@sunrisesunset1734 Type R drivers absolutely would take Cup 2s. In fact, its an option offered by Honda. Car and Driver tested both the Cup 2 Type R and Morizo (with Cup 2s) around VIR and the Type R beat it by almost a second.

[@sunrisesunset1734]

@@reddhole3422 That's amazing for an unmodded GR Corolla, it's not even in the same engine class as the Civic R.

[@reddhole3422]

@@sunrisesunset1734 Toyota made the unconventional decision to go with a 3 cylinder (2.0 liter 4 cylinder is still small). That being said, I'd pick the GR Corolla if I was going to mod due to the AWD. Two awesome cars.

[@sunrisesunset1734]

@@reddhole3422 agreed, awesome cars, but... we've watched WRC

[@msalazar89]

Awd type r would be sick

[@liudxdx]

No thank you….. GR Corolla STI golf R enough AWDs not enough FWD…..

[@zyrexreotan9463]

Ong

[@janissaryone1906]

I just think the GR Corolla Morizo isn't the version you should compare with the Type R. It's missing the rear seats and practicality expected of a hot hatch. The Circuit edition would have been the better match version in terms of price as well. But the GR Corolla is unobtainium right now and surcharges of $10k are not uncommon...

[@GSTRification]

The problem with this comparison, the GR Corolla Morizo edition is so limited production you can’t not get one period. Maybe spending 30K markup will. Fair and more realistic comparison would be Circuit or Core with performance package vs the type r. Personally Civic wins for being a better engaging car ie better steering, shifting, breaking feel. In other hand GR Corolla Core model with performance package only would be the best bang for the buck coming in at under 40K and with AWD for 4 season settings. As for the markups you can get both for a msrp if you can wait. I am higher in the waiting list for both cars at msrp. Civic was a lot harder to find one but in about a year or so I should be able to get both so I need to decide by then which one to get

[@davothegreat9990]

Ctr is just as bad... so don't be naive

[@sunrisesunset1734]

Nonsense, the Morizo is the same exact car with a light tune if you want to call a few foot pounds of torque a tune, and some stickier tyres. Morizo performance is obtainable in a Core edition for less than a Morizo actually costs. You are paying for exclusivity and a collectors item, that's all.

[@lucienpetrus9432]

Gr Corolla for life ❤️. Cape Town South Africa

[@CKPHH]

I’m requesting a top down View from a Drone to see how cars change direction, that’d be Perfect.

[@Rotceh-r4g]

Great video. Glad to see both of these in the US. Having said that, the US obsession with family sedan sports cars is a buzz-kill. A Moriso without a rear seat but 4 doors??? Really? Why? And the Type R as a family sedan??? It needs to be a proper hot hatch, two doors, tiny wagon layout .... Heck, we don't even RALLY in this country. No WRC stop in the US. I wish we did. Then again, the US obsession with round oval Nascar, probably prohibits it indefinitely.

[@TML34]

Forget the morizo edition, that’s basically for collectors only. The Circuit would have been the better comparison.

[@wayneang2660]

Sorry for the poor English. I'm currently owning a Mazdaspeed 3 Gen 2, if I interested to replace it with another JDM Turbocharged it will be a harder choice for me, I like the engineering of the GR Corolla, they really put a lot of efforts onto it, but I just don't like the cabin design on another hand, I like the heritage of the Type R, yet to own a Honda not to mention a red badge and it might be last petrol version from the series, but the fact of its another FF Turbocharged also duplicate with the Mazdspeed 3 Gen 2 which I currently owning.

[@truthaboutlife2026]

His laugh beginning @ 7:54 - 8:10 in the Morizo GR Corolla sealed the deal. It's the (most running fun) you can get today! I wish TOYOTA would also bring GR Corolla's little brother....The GR Yaris Stateside to continue the fight...

[@QactisX]

You can get the base GRC for 36, then pay 2 stacks for torsen diffs, why anyone would buy circuit or morizo is beyond me

[@sunrisesunset1734]

Just exclusivity, but it's worth it too, considering these cars just won't break.

[@Offensively-normal]

The Corolla might be slightly better for track days. The Civic definitely a better all around car. Both are a last dance before the electric plague completely over runs the globe.

[@Wind_slash0]

Interesting. I've always thought the type r would be better suited for track

[@gschmarri2014]

Corolla better for track days? Have you seen the time comparisons?

[@vasekvi]

Before I even continue watching to see the results, not having the best tires available on both makes this test unfair in my view

[@sunrisesunset1734]

No one is going to waste their money putting Cup 2's on a front wheel drive Civic, lol!

[@vasekvi]

@@sunrisesunset1734 Cup2s come on the Type R LE and are optional on the FL5

[@vasekvi]

@@sunrisesunset1734 oh and I have them on my own

[@sunrisesunset1734]

@@vasekvi nice, they will surely help somewhat with 2 of them spinning

[@vasekvi]

@@sunrisesunset1734 many performance cars pull over on the tail of the Dragon when they realize they cannot pull away from me so yes.

[@alfonsmoller2741]

Type R is better looking for sure.

[@Tigerex966]

For best 0-60 in type r start on 2nd gear

[@sunrisesunset1734]

Still won't catch the GR Corolla.

[@Tigerex966]

@@sunrisesunset1734 that's highly debatable actually it will be the quarter mile and has a 171 mph too speed. If course if dusty wet or snow the GR will win.

[@ericnazario2369]

7:04 he calls it gtfour settings. I'm sure alot of us older guys will be making that mistake pretty often.

[@akwurd]

I'm praying that Honda sees the GR as enough of competition that this turns into a battle of the ages...

[@franklynvilla2614]

You guys pick a car shell with an engine as a winner awesome 😂

[@sunrisesunset1734]

Shell car performs better on a drag strip and can put down more lateral g's than your beloved Civic Type R... awesome.

[@hihihihihihihihihi]

I love type R

[@cjc2010]

Maybe if I start a KZbin channel I can get one at MSRP.

[@14KShadow]

Not a fair comparison, they need to be on the same tyres. The Corolla is running Cup2's, a monster tyre.

[@ibrahimbashir6634]

Its edmunds !! Honda is always the winner for them !! Saying this without watching the video

[@ibrahimbashir6634]

So I watched the video !! And I am surprised 😂

[@sunrisesunset1734]

@@ibrahimbashir6634 GR Corolla is mechanically superior. Core Edition, 39k, then mod yourself, faster than Morizo easily

[@ibrahimbashir6634]

@@sunrisesunset1734 i am a fan of GR corolla over type R

[@akwurd]

Hoping to get my hands on a GR in May. Say a prayer for me 🙏

[@InvestBetter.]

Given the Morizo has more torque than the other GRs, the half second win is probably a quarter second, in lesser trims. You won't see many Morizos on the street.

[@sunrisesunset1734]

Nonsense, the Morizo is a Core with basic upgrades any idiot can do, like a change of tires, lifting out the back seat, and a light tune.

[@Linclonable]

why dont these reviews talk about the mark ups on this car

[@sunrisesunset1734]

why talk about a salesman's personal business? markups come and go. doesn't affect the performance of the car

[@Linclonable]

@@sunrisesunset1734 personal business? i think i found the car dealer in here... lol

[@bradwoods371]

In terms of overall practically and styling, the civic takes it. Not even close.

[@sunrisesunset1734]

The Morizo Edition is a Core Edition with basic tweaks that a school girl could do. Light quick tune at a shop, easy, buy set of stickier tyres, easy, a school girl might have trouble lifting out that back seat after removing the 2 clips though. Long story short, the Morizo Edition is the same car as the Core Edition. You people who claim to know cars are fooling yourselves if you think otherwise.

[@alvaroenriquecuelloperez2442]

Saludos desde Venezuela 🇻🇪

[@Av3ntur0zky]

Why autocross with some places wet? Why not choosing the one that costs as much as the Type R. C'mon I want to see a real comparison

[@sunrisesunset1734]

Because real life. Real life gets Honda fanboys down. Real life: People aren't even wasting money speccing a front wheel drive car with Cup 2's from the dealer. The Core Edition at $39k beats the Civic R in the 1/4 mile drag and in cornering lateral g's too. It's already been done. Using the Morizo edition just gives a peek at the lightest cheapest mods you can start with.

[@barrondeville1866]

Well, no surprise Billy Bob Thornton is a pretty badass driver!

[@akent46]

The core or circuit is the comparison everyone wants to see. The Morizo is in a class of its own.

[@sunrisesunset1734]

Nonsense, the Morizo is the same exact car with a light tune if you want to call a few foot pounds of torque a tune, and some stickier tyres. Morizo performance is obtainable for less than a Morizo actually costs. You are paying for exclusivity and a collectors item, that's all.

[@akent46]

@@sunrisesunset1734 Correct, my points is that the comparable car; if you are in the market, would be the Circuit, as you need rear seats for a daily. The Morizo will be mainly used for track days etc.

[@dann1s.365]

you have to do a pedal dance trick to completely turn off VSA, the vsa logo will always flash when it's really off

[@latuba2478]

VSA and Traction are not the same.

[@jolowpeace]

For me to afford one of these cars I need to make at least $50 an hour with no other debts lol

[@Arsing116]

I’ll take the TypeR. That GRC motor sounds like the 3cyl Mitsu Mirage that I had before… not the greatest memories lol.

[@lucienpetrus9432]

Jealous that you don't own one

[@Arsing116]

@@lucienpetrus9432 smh. I’m happy with my Evo. No disrespect to the GRC…. I’m glad Toyota is still making fun cars.

[@lucienpetrus9432]

@@Arsing116 K. friend

[@tommieboi707]

@@Arsing116 this Corolla will blow the doors off your evo. Keep laughing at it though.

[@Arsing116]

@@tommieboi707 🥱

[@cabbagehead8082]

As a grown man the Corolla looks like something a collage kid would drive while he delivers pizzas

[@SilverScarletSpider]

i wanr everyone with disposable income on the edmunds team to buy one manual car. help save the sport compact segment.

[@Chorizomicks]

I'd take the Corolla since the same Takumis that made the LFA put their hands on them

[@travise830]

What an awful comparison.... An awd vs fwd car, on a short slow track, in the wet...kind of surprised it was even that close. Also....did I see a freaking 7k difference in equipped price? For a 15% change in price no crap the Toyota better win. Get a better track, do it in the dry or at least equip them to roughly the same price....

[@sunrisesunset1734]

You don't know much about these cars, the Core Edition Corolla which can easily have the same or more performance as the Morizo with the lightest and cheapest of mods, is 39k

[@បងម៉ាប់-ញ7ឍ]

It's more like a 1leg vs 2legs.. Of course the two will win every time lol😂😂😂

[@sunrisesunset1734]

@@បងម៉ាប់-ញ7ឍ Honda fanboys wanted this comparison, but the GR Corolla clearly didn't care lol.

[@HarryKuloh]

More lively due to having all-wheel drive? What the heck does that even mean that goes against 279,000 years of car experience.

[@henrywid76]

You guys need to add WRX and do a 3 way comparo.

[@sunrisesunset1734]

The WRX sucks compared to the GR Corlla in reviews unfortunately, so why bother.

[@vincentlee4016]

Kurt keep saying it's cold and yet hit 30s in both cars

[@gixxr88]

The GR is a modern day EVO

[@realnapster1522]

More like modern STI hatch.

[@Arkeny-SS]

since im poor i had to go with the Elantra N .. :)

[@sunrisesunset1734]

You will stay poor, because while the Corolla won't break, you will spend thousands on fixing a mechanically unsound Hyundai that you can't figure out how it got damaged in the first place. It's not only less expensive, it's cheaper.

[@markrhoden68]

Lucky you guys getting the Civic for that price, here in the 🇬🇧 it's all but priced of the market at the equivalent to $56000 😨 We don't get the Corolla

[@sunrisesunset1734]

GR Corolla Performance Pack $39,000, cheap as hell!

[@adrianesteves3260]

Owned a 2018 type R, I’ll go GR Corolla this time around. At or under msrp. The suckers can pay above msrp not me

[@alexgutierrez7029]

Type R El Rey 💣💙

[@j10betty]

The dealership mark up on these cars is the worst part about them. when I looked at the prices on a core gr corolla. it was $55,000!!!!! WTH. there is a better cheaper option. get a kit car an have one of those shops build you a real enthusiast car for half the price .

[@puga4202]

Someone in the US paid $85k for a civic type R tho. So $55,000 looks like a steal.

[@sbs-0055]

At that price point I rather buy a new M240i

[@j10betty]

That person is dumb. So many better options at the price point

[@muhammedbappa7560]

I go for the type R

[@richardmahoney9415]

I can only speak for me but in Michigan you can these are msrp again I can only speak for where I live but u can get them both at sticker

[@joe718gt4]

Do you film these at PECLA?

[@TML34]

Piggly-wiggly. 😂

[@Arkeny-SS]

the GR Corolla can make 500hp .. check the yaris in the Uk ..

[@behindthebuild8016]

You can make most cars 500hp just depends how much $$ you want to invest.

[@alexscott9195]

Dumb comparison. Morizo may as well not exist. Compare a CTR against a Core or Circuit GRC both on street tires, not Cup 2s. This comparo is useless. You guys compared the Morizo on Cup2s vs a CTR on PS4S???? Absolute nonsense, meaningless.

[@richardness3]

Dude literally said the Cup2s were worse on the autocross course because of the temperature

[@sunrisesunset1734]

People are going to buy Cup 2s for their Core Editions. No one is going to waste Cup 2s on a Civic Type R. Sorry. Real world thing. People aren't even going with the dealership option at Honda, LOL!

[@Luminary2024]

I’d buy none because dealers will scam you on both. No point in buying affordable Japanese performance if they intend to sell it against M cars. Dealerships have made these cars a crime against the car community.

[@mmahtnart8986]

I don't care about track performance. Who the hell does? If I'm going to be shifting gears, the Toyota wins hands down because it looks a hell of a lot better than the Civic.

[@jayho9899]

My 5⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐😎

[@lucienpetrus3851]

Toyota all the way up Cape Town South Africa

[@my4cars528]

The Morizo Edition is unobtanium, which numbs the relevance of this comparison.

[@sunrisesunset1734]

You need to understand that the Core Edition is easily way faster than the Morizo with the lightest of mods, or just as fast with simply a tyre change.

[@my4cars528]

@@sunrisesunset1734 you're not helping...(just add mods)

[@nmode22]

Already seen this! Can we please see the Elantra n vs type r roll racing!?!?

[@imjoker]

go watch throttle house videos. They already did that

[@nmode22]

@@imjoker not with the new type r.

[@TheFK8Life]

Type R is faster and has more potential on stock engine

[@nmode22]

@@TheFK8Life I wanna see that roll race 👀

[@TML34]

I wouldn’t give you a nickel for a Hyundai engine.

[@smitdizz420]

Type R def superior

[@sunrisesunset1734]

Civic R superior in what? Fan-boy points? Civic R lost the 1/4 mile drag, lost in lateral g's, Civic R lost everything. Lol.

[@hdavey72]

Such a unfair comparison. The Toyota has no back seat, must ve light as ever

[@sunrisesunset1734]

/sarcasm I hope, lol

[@torokun]

Hot hatch market killed by greedy dealers. Don't blame the consumers this time.

[@GrandTheftAutoFans1]

I mean, for a FWD that is not bad.

[@sunrisesunset1734]

Not bad for a fwd, but at the end of the day it's just that, a fwd. No one is even bothering to spec Cup 2's on their Civic Rs, so you won't see any. Meanwhile people will upgrade the tyres on their Core Editions for instant Morizo performance, simple and easy.

[@evoemperor3776]

The type r would've been the choice only if it was lighter than the corolla but shit isn't 🤣 not only that it is expensive af

[@jamesmedina2062]

its as big as previous midsize Accords. It even looks bigger than the Corolla. Bigger means heavier.

[@MHounan]

@@jamesmedina2062 they posted both weights. The type R is ten pounds heavier than the Corolla with no back seats

[@jamesmedina2062]

@@MHounan total weight is only part of the formula. Center of gravity matters too.

[@brawrrrXO]

honestly too much power and weight against such displacement cost and production cutting but corolla should of kept the pathway of 1.5L 4 cyc or the 1.8L longevity by time of ODO hits 50k she gonna break morizo loses everything seats deadening etc come on guys ain't worth it

[@aaromon43]

"well worth the hype". sure, but that hype isn't worth $20k ADM.

[@sunrisesunset1734]

nothing is, but the GR Corolla is mechanically to those other vehicles out there

[@JacesOwnWorld]

Title video should read: “Which Asian Tonka Toy is more overpriced?”

[@sunrisesunset1734]

Well the answer is, "None of these asian cars are overpriced, because while these cars won't break down, american and european garbage will end up costing you way more money."

[@yahyayarim5727]

Herşey bir zevk meselesi ama Honda’nın 2.0lt ,+ 400 hp , 4wd & 4 ws bir Civic RR üretmeyi düşünmemesi affedilemez bir hata .Toyota ‘yı günahım kadar bile sevmem ama bu araç oldukça başarılı .Uyan artık Honda yoksa kapıya kilit vuracaksın !!!

[@ericb9687]

Track is litteraly for the Corolla tho

[@adanmendoza7517]

A better comparison would be with the Circuit

[@sunrisesunset1734]

Would only make a difference on tyres really, but who is going to put Cup 2s on a front wheel drive Civic? Lol.

[@SnoopiS2000]

Type r every time

[@BigBear--]

It drives me nuts that these channels keep comparing the GR Morizo against the Type-R and not a GR Core or Circuit. Particularly when the Type-R is fully stock, and doesn't have their available forged lightweight wheels, or the lighter weight carbon fiber spoiler...and still has the rear seats in. Compare like for like, otherwise it doesn't make sense. If you wanna run the Type-R against the Morizo, then rip out the rear seat and put it on the lightweight wheela and spoiler. Then it's like for like...top tier of each model.

[@BigBear--]

Also you can get the Pilot Sport Cup 2's on the Type-R as well...so all in all a pretty uneven test. I HATE THESE...they give a skewed result. Particularly when they don't even acknowledge this BS in the video...

[@sbs-0055]

Don’t be mad because the GR Corolla is slightly better. Let’s be happy that both of them exist in this day and age.

[@BigBear--]

@@sbs-0055 I seriously don't care if it was 10 seconds faster. It's just this is not the first shootout comparison test like this I've watched, and it drives me up a wall. I like logical fair shootouts, otherwise there's almost no point to the whole thing, and I feel like my time was wasted. They tested the most available version of the Type-R vs the most exclusive version of the GR Corolla, of which there's only like 200 models made, and is not even a normal daily without the rear seat. Might was well just be any other car...a VW Microbus, or a Lamborghini Huracan...what's it matter at that point? The only versions that would have made sense is either a GR Core edition with the sport pack, or GR Circuit.

[@sunrisesunset1734]

Nonsense, the Core GR Corolla is Way faster than the Morizo edition with the lightest cheapest mods. It's the same exact car. Plus, no one will waste money speccing Cup 2s on a front wheel drive Civic, lol.

[@BigBear--]

@@sunrisesunset1734 Were you dropped on your head as a child? First of all the Morizo edition is not at all like the Core or Circuit, the chassis is built different with more spot welds and 3 additional meters of structural adhesive, as well as rear cross braces, nor rear seats, stickier tires, and a retuned motor with more torque. So no...its not like the Core or Circuit, and it's definitely faster than both. As for rhe Type-R, Cup 2's are a stock dealer option, which people do get, but that's bot even what I was talking about. The Type-R has facyory available lighter forged wheels, and larger and lighter carbon fiber rear wing, as well as the available Cup 2's all available as factory options. All of which would change it's track performance. That build along with ripping out the rear seat would have been the fair like-for-like race with the Morizo edition. Otherwise they should've raced it against the Core or the Circuit.

[@silaszebedee9331]

I should probably buy a 718 Cayman

[@tonybui135]

Honda civic the best

[@JoshKetchum]

I cant afford Either of them, so I drive a Sentra Nismo turbo for less than half that cost and Im a second off the pace.. big deal lol.

[@sunrisesunset1734]

and 5 seconds off the pace after installing the cheapest mods you already threw at your Sentra

[@ak2112]

I'll have the Corolla.