Toyota GT86 vs Mazda MX-5 (Track Battle)

[@MrEquinoxParadox]

The architect who designed this track must LOVE Mugello 😍 Great fight, fun video.

[@Alek1]

Thanks, it does look like a miniature Mugello. Nice comparo!

[@MrEquinoxParadox]

But that vista you guys have there is *chef's kiss*, like a painting

[@Ottobon]

Got to know two of the better drivers for my area, ride with each a few times. Same as this ND and 2nd Gen GT86 and what really stood out for me was how much smoother and less work the Miata was to get to same times, the GT86 meanwhile seemed to require a lot more work but it was the kind of work i'd say is more fun subjectively at the limit trying to go as quick as possible if you aren't of the mindset a bit of sliding and correction is a bad thing. Two really distinct flavors riding in those cars, both were near stock with coil overs and happened to be very very similar in rates they chose (something like 300lb F 220-240lb R) and Semi-slick tires. I'd go for the GT86 but if i liked more relaxed style, calm and precise, or one was more nervous person but one who still craved this hobby then the Miata would make more sense. Or another way of putting it is the Miata inspires confidence almost always, where the GT86 is more a car for someone who enjoys testing their confidence. You cannot go wrong either way. As someone obsessed with everything 60s to early 90s Automotive, I'm just glad cars like this still exist and not just that but you get the choice of distinctive flavors as well 😋

[@TommyBlanton]

Great post. I’m not a car enthusiast, per se, but I just bought a built NC and I’m suddenly an enthusiast. That car is fun to drive and makes me feel like a kid again! Can’t wait to get it on a track and learn.

[@Ottobon]

@@TommyBlanton Get out there, take your time and enjoy it

[@user-cj7dv2kc6d]

Fun battle! Would be interesting to see if they had same tire setup.

[@PiefacePete46]

The tire details are in the description, and the sizes are shown on the video at times.

[@diyman25]

Exciting track day is like this 👍

[@entropy11]

ND2 RF Miata and GR86 are on my shortlist for sure. Might be held back by severely limited availability of the GR86.

[@Alek1]

Good choice! Also consider GT86 though. It's more raw when driving.

[@richboy900]

I have an ND2 RF. It's awesome. I'd say the gt86 is also, but I've never drive one :(

[@Darkdevil1584]

i just got a nd2 and i love the shit lmfao, ive herd the gt86 has a torque dip so id personally choose gr86 or miata :^)

[@entropy11]

@@Darkdevil1584 Yeah lol that hole in the torque curve was a real issue.

[@naoko3749]

Driven a GT86 and own an ND2. The GT86 feels more "insulated" from the road and a bit more composed, while the ND2 is pure driving. The GT86 leans a bit more towards comfort.

[@TommyBlanton]

What a blast that has to be!

[@Pathfinder3877]

If the cars are somewhat even it is great fun. I've been on the track in Czech republik with my ND with 9 other NDs

[@TommyBlanton]

@@Pathfinder3877 I’ll bet it is! I have a blast on a crappy gokart track with crappy gokarts and people who have no concept of holding a line. I can’t imagine being on a track, in a real car, with vested, competitive adults.

[@Mauro_5501]

태백레이싱파크 Korea 372 Gumunso-dong, Taebaek-si, Gangwon-do, South Korea

[@adventuresofjandk]

Good stuff. Debating between the two myself

[@Alek1]

Test out both for your fit (physically) for both cars. I feel ND is a bit too small for me inside.

[@youraveragefffan5254]

These tracks have too many long straights. In order to truly battle a mx5 and a 86, any straight shouldnt be longer than 1/8mile. The mx5 and 86 wasnt built for straight line racing. It was built for handling and cornering

[@Alek1]

Def. Braking duel makes it fun tho!

[@RbNetEngr]

Which track is this? It looks like a GREAT track layout. I’m not sure why both drivers are sawing at the steering wheel in the turns (the MX5 driver does it more than the GT86 driver does). I find it hard to believe that they are at the limits of front end grip when this is happening, because some of the turn exit speeds when they are doing it look to be very fairly slow speeds.

[@Alek1]

The GT86 driver (myself) do it mostly because there is changes in the cornering arc occuring when there's throttle input changes. Odd, right? this happens particularly when switching to a clutch-based diff (as it is here, 1.5way Cusco diff). It's a torque steer, but in the case of RWD cars. There's less of this issue when driving an open-diff car.

[@kakama99]

Alek님 지금은 86 갖고 계시는군요..오랜만에 영상 반갑습니다~ 저는 S2K.. ^^

[@Rshex]

That waa great👌👌👌👌

[@framad3446]

MX 5 ND 2.0 is Amazing among other things, this Miata in the video is not even the sport version which has the Recaro Blistein increased strut bar etc., I have an ND 2.0 Sport and I'm very happy with it, great car, top quality/price ratio

[@Anamnesis]

"bUt wHaT aBoUt cHaSsiS fLeX LoLoLoL" - some loser on the sidelines without a car, screaming at the MX-5 going through turns 🤡

[@puddingstories]

즐감하고 구독하고 갑니다~!

[@flower5153]

Great battle! I am still surprised to see the rpm of the 86 climb to 7800. What type of tune do you have?

[@Alek1]

I am not too sure! Was on the car since it came to me.

[@TheChenny73]

The ND2 while certainly not having a v8 sound definitely purrs and sounds pretty good, the Toyota not so much.

[@Alek1]

It's a real smooth engine in the Mazda. ol' tractorish noise is what I'd compare the Toyota's noise against.

[@_Kudos]

레드불링인가… 했는데 태백이라니!!!ㅋㅋㅋㅋ

[@emilioheredia1]

Beetlejuice vs the Sting

[@GGaPnono]

잘타네

[@balazspinter4832]

Something seriously wrong here... the mazda has 215 tires the brz has 265 and still has better straight performance??? HOW ????

[@Under_the_Iceberg]

The 86 has a redline at least 7800rpm which is higher than stock, so it's definitely tuned.

[@dielaughing73]

​@@Under_the_Icebergalso more power

[@naoko3749]

Horsepower defines straights once you're past 100 kmh or 60 mph. Lightness doesn't do much in that region anymore.

[@CoyotePark]

Beautiful track! Where is this? or the name of track :) In Japan? :)

[@17Rxri]

The characters shown some time in the video were Korean, so I’m guessing it might be there, though, not quite sure where exactly. :)

[@mcnbns]

The track is Taebaek Racing Park in Taebaek, South Korea.

[@Alek1]

​@@mcnbnsprecisely, you are correct!

[@petermartin9494]

I guess this is the 1.5L MX-5. I think the 2L would leave a GT86 in the dust.

[@impreza0109]

too many factors to consider - tires, driver, etc. and i've seen 1.5s hang out with Porsche GT3s

[@Alek1]

It is a ND2 with 2.0L engine. Has an exhaust

[@dynastyp]

I agree. Looks like a ND1 2.0 hes shifting below 7000 rpm all the time... ND2 should be pulling away from the 86 on the long back straigth. Cool video tho.

[@andyminner8379]

I think it is the 2.0 with 160hp or 184hp butt i am not shure, if it is the 2.0 i think the rear wing is good for down force butt bad for speed. The GT 86 is more heavy, butt is power is 200hp, if it was the 1.5 i think the difference in speed is much more a difference.

[@dynastyp]

​@@andyminner8379Yes 200hp but heavier plus it has 265 heavy width tyres on it wich should be slowing down a tad more... This IS clearly a 160hp ND1 stock with a muffler at most,you can feel how the power is falling back over 6000 rpm and he's shifting under 7000rpm all time... ND2 performance is on s2000 league.

[@alexanderklimov3769]

Can you explain why a cusco lsd instead a torsen? Thank you

[@roan571]

Cusco is a brand

[@Alek1]

Car is more steady thru long sweeping corners like the last one on this track. I think the exit traction is similar to that of torsen though.

[@alexanderklimov3769]

Thank you@@Alek1

[@Ambryu1]

cusco lock up harder and faster because they use clutches and they can lock up on breaking or Excelleration or both.

[@fatdoggolovespizza]

Unbelievable the ND drivers shirt makes me wanna barf

[@coopermax2842]

👍👏💪

[@andrewbardwell1763]

What track are they on?

[@Alek1]

It's Taebaek Track in South Korea

[@gauchegaucho]

0:18 뭐하는짓인가요 제네시스 ㅎ

[@MonkeyPower55]

Must be a ND1

[@Alek1]

It's a ND2 with stock powertrain, and GT86 has exhaust done

[@Factory051]

Track name?

[@Alek1]

It's Taebaek Circuit in South Korea

[@greghill6117]

Shame the MX5 had the TC on, it’s much faster without.

[@Alek1]

All stability control system was off for both cars.

[@greghill6117]

I see the brake lights flashing. I thought that was a function of TC but maybe ABS. In any case I’ve never had an 86 pass me on the track in my 2023 GTRS RF.

[@Alek1]

​@greghill6117 def. MX5 in the video is faster, and the driver is superb too. There is probably close to 1 second difference with mx5 being faster given the same tires. (1sec on a 1m7s lap-- big difference)

[@zzf967]

If the ND2 miata is on stock dampers and sway bars, then the 86 driver need to get more skills lol

[@Alek1]

Yes def got room to improve on. ND2 is also on coilovers. Similar cars, different tires.

[@MrZyLeXx]

everyone always needs more skills, let them have their fun

[@PiefacePete46]

I could not find your video for comparison.

[@dielaughing73]

​@@MrZyLeXx Yeah literally every track driver is there for the sole reason of improving their skills. No-one with any sense thinks they 'don't need more skills'

[@naoko3749]

Where's your video of the perfect demo run so we can use it as the benchmark?

[@ZZH1986]

The mazda is for grown professional gentlemen. The GT86 is for young punks who think losing traction is the ultimate goal.

[@naoko3749]

And looking down on any affordable 2-door RWD sports car is for broke losers who can't afford either car new.

[@lyonhaert4107]

Mazda 😂😂😂😂 shit