Toyota Ignition Coil Test (Snap-on Verus)

[@richardjohn5216]

love this setup,4 sparks plus tag a spark,i would move coils around,so move the problem,and move spark plugs too,if problem moves ,then not ecu or wires ,very interesting to see ,live data ,i be tempted to put suspect coil on another car,good car,see if move problem there ,firing order match scope readings too,need know,4 cyl,v6 cyl,straght 6 cyl,v8 cyl,write them down on bit card ,leave in roll cab ,or scan tool box,looks like i get more out of my scope now,go deeper,2 ch modus ,love the verus ,have buy a cheap one ,low software number ,use for scope work,4 ch ,well done scanner danner,you give your knowledge to the next generation,i learnt timing of a strobe light and a distribater,white paint on pully wheel,points ,plugs,condenser,good old days ,8v ,side valve ,push rods

[@rplayer9969]

Hey Paul, when you said this was going to go really fast, I said to myself, im glad you said that because it ment it was not. Great Video as always!!!!

[@ScannerDanner]

🤣 you know me too well

[@nickh3809]

Danner got that 6th sense, he can 'feel' the misfire 😂 Car drives by... "I sense a misfire.. tell them to pull over'

[@gregoryfairchild2460]

Once We get past this Covid crap and my money gets back I want to get your premium channel. Never stop learning..lol I always pick something up from you..thanks.

[@ScannerDanner]

Thank you Gregory 😊

[@kurtkennedy5453]

Thats why I love my Pico and being able to zoom in anywhere on the waveform and ease of playback.

[@zbynekm2918]

swift scope rundown, nice work Paul

[@ScannerDanner]

Thanks 👍

[@MrTurdfergusen]

What are the students in such hurry to leave for? End of the day? Lunch? If they only knew how important it was that you took the time to explain this stuff. The guys that are ready to bust out the door are the ones that dont have the patience to do this kind of stuff. They'll kick themselves for that someday...been there.. Good thing you recorded it for them so when they have a question you can just tell them to watch the video from that day they were in too big of hurry to leave! Haha, not rippin on your students man, just wishing I had slowed down a little and asked more when i was in their shoes. Another Great Video! I may have to subcribe to the Premium channel before long

[@ScannerDannerPremium]

Thanks bro and you are correct, for the most part my younger guys really don't understand yet, but they will for sure. And like you said, I can point them to a particular video to fill in the gaps.

[@NebukedNezzer]

I had a similar but intermittent problem on my 2000 echo. It had 153k miles so I just changed all the igniters (only 130bucks) and it cured the problems.

[@jerrypeal653]

Explanation on actual scope ( tool ) use is valuable!

[@JD-526]

Nice video, never knew you could test the coils using the grounds from the coils. go premium people. If your watching this video your you must need this info for a fix, or like me trying to learn my verus scope. you could also use Scanner Danner's videos for non related vehicals, I'm putting this test to my silverado 6.0 liter. Great Video.

[@josealers67]

Another great video.As soon as premium is available to Puerto Rico, I will be a Subscriber...Thanks again SD...

[@jesusmalagon4336]

muchas gracias Paul Danner por sus exelentes videos que son de mucha ayuda para los que queremos aprender el diagnostico automotriz y que mejor con esa herramienta tan poderosa para poder determinar cual es el problema exacto sin andar cambiando partes que son caras y no solucionan gracias por compartir thank you very much Paul Danner for their exelentes videos that are helpful for those who want to learn the automotive diagnosis and better with such a powerful tool to determine what the exact problem not go changing parts are expensive and do not solve thanks

[@ScannerDannerPremium]

thank you Jesus Malagon for helping me practice Spanish!

[@Mrwagzilla]

Paul thanks so much for sharing I always learn and enjoy them.

[@paulfiebke3909]

Ive git the same car to work on tomorrow thankyou so much for this vido keep up the good work

[@bingosmith6760]

Top video ill use this on my snap on modis ultra to fix my GT Subaru Forester which has a coil that stops working under load but on idle it works fine.

[@nickayivor8432]

SUBSTANTIAL Sir ScannerDanner Thank you👍 Sir ScannerDanner From Nick Ayivor from London England UK 🇬🇧

[@gregoryfairchild2460]

Great scope refresher!

[@sharkyrich4844]

43:25 one of the students ripped the classroom apart with his ass.

[@ScannerDanner]

lol

[@stevelopez5784]

thanks scannerdanner. Now I know how to use our Shop verus a lot better. I would normally do a coil swap,clear codes and see if the misfire switches cylinders while monitoring misfires with the scanner.

[@zacariasreal4069]

Steve Lopez that one is a good tip , but the interesting is how to use the scope.

[@trublue2319]

I had worked on a Toyota had a cylinder 4 misfire swapped coil still cylinder 4 it was coil two

[@elgallo133]

muy buenos videos danner gracias por compartirnos tus conosimientos..

[@isaiasvelasquez118]

the best info ever. thanks Paul

[@georgespangler1517]

Never realized you can use ground to test coils but should have from the old school single coil where it makes no difference would wire you connect to positive and negative

[@georgespangler1517]

Just thinking have you looked at spark plug to see if gap was closed

[@howardatkinson5735]

I would pay good money to be in Scanner Danner Scope Classes !

[@ScannerDanner]

Thank you Howard! You can join my classes remotely on ScannerDanner Premium www.scannerdanner.com/join-scannerdanner-premium.html Hope to see you there

[@gregoryfairchild2460]

Good lesson

[@kevinedward1234]

Paul, great video!!!!!!!!!!

[@JoelAutomotiveInaction]

Paul nice explanation thank you for this great video, I was not clear where you hook up your amp probe on 15.49 of the video, did you connected to a single ground or did you hook up the amp clamp around the 4 wire coil grounds ? because I can see the 4 coils ramp, this is and issue that I have to connect my amp probe on the ground side to see multiples ramps, it is easy when I do it on the fuse but like on this vehicle that is not possible because other circuits share thank you,

[@ScannerDannerPremium]

I believe it was all four ground wires.

[@RC-Heli835]

I kind of like a live video situation better than all the pics but pics worked I guess in this case. The Verus is absolutely amazing! I suppose this is probably your favorite of all the scan tools ScannerDanner? Its obviosly very fast, well thought and has many options.

[@1ohboy11]

Hey Paul, great video(s) as always. Have a quick question for you.. Am I mistaken or were saying you were triggering off of #4 when you showed a picture of #1? Meaning that if the firing order was correct, you would have a problem with #2 coil instead of #3.... As for your Students wanting to leave early, I got a kick out of that. I was one of them (many years ago) and remember doing the same thing. Wish I hadn't !! I'd like to send a message to them and urge that they absorb all the knowledge you are trying to instill in them while they have that chance. These are the most important years in "this" career to learn as much as they can before going out into the workforce. Please, Guys... Take in as much as you can, ask all the questions now and keep applying what you learned from class. I am positive Mr. Danner is willing to help you in any way he can. You have a great teacher. He won't be teaching you forever, so listen and learn while you have the opportunity. John-

[@richnewall8564]

John, that's what I thought watching this. Surely he is triggering off no. 1 cylinder, not no. 4??

[@RC-Heli835]

+Rich Newall He put the clamp on number 4 close to the transmission.

[@laldogpaul568]

@@richnewall8564 The data states cylinder 1 is nearest timing chain so I agree cylinder 1 trigger meant 1342 points to a cylinder 2 (as codes) this meant when cylinder 3 was unplugged the car struggled to start as 2 cylinders were then not operating.

[@rrmech11]

Great explanation of the features on the verus

[@rrmech11]

Can you explain why you have to use a attenuator on the pico scope and not on the vantage pro to measure ignition and injector waveforms for meter safety purposes

[@ScannerDanner]

***** Just the way the tools are built. That is more of a question for the engineers. The max input on the newest automotive pico is now 200 vdc, previously it was 100. The Verus, Vantage Pro, Modis is 400 based on the scaling of the scope meter itself.

[@alexanderdavis1160]

Hey Paul, I'm not seeing part 2 & 3 on SDP. Is it listed under another name? The links in description prove unavailable for me at this time.

[@ScannerDanner]

They sure are, just use the Premium search in the drop down menu of the ScannerDanner Premium tab and type in Toyota.

[@alexanderdavis1160]

@@ScannerDanner Beauty, found it. Thanks!

[@ScannerDanner]

Thank you and don't forget to use that search box okay? And remember All of my ScannerDanner Premium videos that used to be hosted by KZbin, all of them, are now on my website. In October of 2017, I moved 250 ish videos over and I have over 400 now.

[@farrellhd]

Help. Can't seem to access part two and 3. I am a premium member.

[@BehzadEghtesad]

thanks for this video. i was going to buy a Verus D10 20.2 updated today ( for 1Kbox) after i scan my car and showed codes, to go forward each code had FIX IT botton and was forced to connect to web using a QR code but we did not have wifi that area. Q. the snap-on must be connected to WIFI for fully scan functionality? 2. to use the tool we have to subscribe of snap on? how come some older models just work without wifi and no subscription as i see in shops around.

[@ScannerDanner]

What were you working on? Newer Chrysler/Jeep?

[@BehzadEghtesad]

@@ScannerDanner hyundai sonata hybrid 2016

[@wtbm123]

Good video

[@danwoods1111]

hi scannerdanner...can you please do a video about your diagnostic kit and accessories and why you use different kit ... like why do you use a vantage pro when you have a versus etc.I've watched a lot of your videos which have been very interesting, and i recently purchased a modis ultra so trying to take in as much info/ tips. also have you done any diagnosis vidoes on common rail diesel faults ( or is this on your premium channel) ....keep up the good work.

[@ScannerDanner]

Good suggestions. Thanks! No diesel stuff yet. There are very few in our market (cars)

[@gregoryfairchild2460]

You probably covered the number system for grounds g100 g200 etc...car sections. Front...dash...mid...rear..etc

[@jamesrossmotors]

Hey Paul, I recently purchased a Verus Pro mainly because I find it frustrating sometimes out in the field setting up my Pico, I found the Verus also a bit frustrating when wanting to zoom in on a capture and this video has helped me with that. Thanks. My question though is when changing the sweep to obtain a larger capture am I reducing the capture rate and missing some detail in the capture. I did notice that the coil on isolation's are not visible clearly. I wonder why snap on have chosen not to give us a zoom in feature?

[@ScannerDanner]

Yes! A longer time base (sweep) will cause your sample intervals to increase, meaning more time between each sample and less detail. As for the zoom feature, you just need to learn to set up your scope differently than you do with the Pico. For the Snap-on scope, you need to set your time base for DETAIL (small time base), let it run for a few, pause the pattern, then zoom out. Now you will have the best of both worlds, detail and repetition. If you have a situation where you are needing to see repetition LIVE, and you need a longer time base to see it, that is when you max out your sample rate by selecting "Peak Detect". Hope that helps. If you need more, I have a 16 part Verus series on ScannerDanner Premium. You can subscribe here www.scannerdanner.com/join-scannerdanner-premium.html There is a 14 day free trial. Thanks!

[@ultimbro]

This thing doesn't run after your disconnected the coil because of the IGF (feedback) signal which tells the PCM that the coils has fired. If the PCM doesn't received that signal it cuts the injectors for all cylinder to protect the catalyst converter. Later model cuts only the cylinder that miss the IGF signal. ALL Toyota cars does that particular thing if they miss IGF signals

[@dreece2000]

Philippe Breault are you knowledgeable on 97 3.4 Toyota?

[@turtlezed]

now see right here...this is an interesting answer and could be why conventional thinking of what is going on doesnt work because if this guys correct , then the computer is turning off the fuel.This is the problem these days ...anythings possible with computers (cant say ive heard of that, i'm an old diesel mech. but it could be common dealer tech info , i just dont know) it should run on 3 cylinders surely t.f. (conventional thinking) but this answer would explain the engines response in shutting down the fuel .Towards the end was a voice suggesting the cylinder numbering could be wrong ? and you could have in fact pulled the plug on a good coil leaving the poor one + 2 good ones and thereby it would struggle to run on 3 cylinders........i always thought having 4 coil design advantage and one going off meant you werent stranded on the side of the road (pre catalyst thinking? prehistoric more like ).............I'm just going to have to die not knowing eh Paul, ha ha ;¬) i think i wouldve just pulled all the coils and plugs and had a good look at the plugs and played swappy around.........that wouldve spoken to me i reckon...scope was a long way for a short cut on a nice easy access engine like this.I get what you're trying to impart though ..... ;¬)

[@acrittendoncrittendon4143]

Very good cause I have the verus

[@Poochie43124312]

Paul do you have the titles names for parts 2 and 3 for this video. I tried this title but did not see a pt 2 and 3.

[@ScannerDanner]

+Poochie43124312 parts 2 and 3 are on SD Premium. I'll add thin links to the description now. Thanks!

[@4s4m4d]

Hi which software you use for wiring diagrams. ?

[@hellhound747x]

Hi, can you please tell what software do you use to get the wiring diagrams?

[@ScannerDannerPremium]

Mitchell On Demand now called prodemand.com There is a DIY version too. I have it listed on the FAQ section of my website.

[@robbocop33r12]

Bit of a dumb question but here goes.The battery life on my Verus at the moment is terrible. In the meantime is it safe to be charging the tool from mains electric 'while' using the Verus for scoping ignition,injectors whatever? Thanks.

[@ScannerDanner]

Yes, you'll be fine. Time for a new battery though right? Probably not cheap though

[@robbocop33r12]

@@ScannerDanner Thanks Paul,it was even for times battery gets 'really' low naturally even with a good battery,i've always wondered if it's safe to charge while using,thanks!

[@robbocop33r12]

You may think this was a dumb question,but the reason i asked was i had a Ditex Carscope Viso and the makers of that scope specifically told me not to use it for scope testing while it's charging!:-) And with this being my first Snap-on better safe than sorry. New battery ordered though.

[@ScannerDanner]

@@robbocop33r12 I've used a docking station for years while teaching classes and had every imaginable condition connected to the scope and scanner functions of the Verus with zero issues. (the docking station is constantly charging the battery) Not a dumb question btw!

[@miltonscornertobylove5068]

Hi dan, I'm trying to do the same set up on a 99 Acura TL by going straight to the fuse box. I can see all the coil ramps, no problem there, (channel 2 that is), but when I turn on channel 1 to check my control wire it seems like it's spiking on all of the coil ramps. I see spikes going up and down. Do you think it's noise being picked up by using the wrong leads when checking that control wire. btw great video I watched it a million times already lol.Than you!

[@ScannerDanner]

+Milton Solis what are you connect to for channel 1 and what type of coil is it? how many wire?

[@miltonscornertobylove5068]

Hi Dan, i was hooked up to the middle wire instead of the number one which is the ignition pulse from the pcm n is a 3 wire coil. In my mind i thought I reply to ur email on Friday morning but my guess is I can't reply from my phone. Ty Dan I know u were trying to help me ty again! N ones again what a great video.!

[@rufaatmj9986]

Hello, how can I get a snap-on car test device that is used and not new? What is the expected price? Are there sites to buy? Please help. Thank you. I am from Iraq, Refaat Al-Jubouri, and thank you.

[@ScannerDanner]

hard to say my friend, maybe post to my forum and see if there is anyone who is in your country that has one. We have over 27000 global members and it is free to join www.scannerdanner.com

[@weldingjunkie]

I know this is old but I want to ask Verus with 17.2 software is it worth buying now? I can get it cheap $1500 I have a Autel 908 but wanted to see if I could use the Verus to fill gaps on on the Autel ? I’ve never used snap on.

[@ScannerDanner]

You found a working Verus with a 17.2 update for $1500? Buy it!!!

[@weldingjunkie]

ScannerDanner like new with an extra battery. I think his worth it just for the scope.

[@ScannerDanner]

Agree!!

[@weldingjunkie]

ScannerDanner here’s what I got back from snap on. Bummer about upgrades Hello Jason, Unfortunately, software upgrades for the original VERUS and VERUS Wireless were discontinued as of October 1st, 2017. Repair services and software upgrades are also no longer available. The VERUS and VERUS Wireless scan tools will continue to function after these dates and will be fully functional, just not upgradeable. Upgrades for the VERUS Pro and VERUS Edge are unaffected and will continue. The VERUS can program some Ford keys from the 1996-most 2010 model years in addition to keyless entry fob programming. Sincerely, Snap-on Diagnostic Product Support Team

[@ScannerDanner]

@@weldingjunkie lame! I think it is still worth the $1500 though

[@johnchadwicktilton]

I am having issues with my Snap On Verus. It will not turn on. Any idea's ?

[@ali2531]

You have to hold the on button until the snap on logo appears on the screen and then let it go straight away or it will switch off again. Most people just press the on button only briefly which is to quick to power up.

[@vincebauer4777]

nice video

[@paulfiebke3909]

Tried joining your pream channel. And will not let me because of email 😒 sucks for me

[@ScannerDanner]

what seems to be the problem? We can help you, email me at [e-mail] either I or my wife will help you directly

[@michaelpatosa]

Mr. SD. I really want to subscribe on your SDPremium but it's not available here in Guam. Wonder how can I make that work?

[@ScannerDanner]

Unfortunately KZbin has placed country restrictions for the paid channels. But there is a way around it using a VPN. Below is a threadI've created a thread on my forum to help. scannerdanner.com/forum/scannerdanner-book-questions-and-discussion/475-access-to-sd-premium-in-non-listed-countries.html Thanks for your interest and I hope you can make it work for you.Paul

[@ScannerDanner]

Not sure why this link is making you sign up for my forum. You do NOT need to do that. Just go to the forum home page and you'll find a thread "access to SD Premium in non listed countries "

[@ScannerDanner]

scannerdanner.com/forum/scannerdanner-book-questions-and-discussion/475-access-to-sd-premium-in-non-listed-countries.html

[@ScannerDanner]

It looks like this one worked? Please let me know. It should NOT make you sign into my forum to read this thread. (Forum subscription is free by the way). Please let me know if this link works

[@michaelpatosa]

ScannerDanner Awesome, I do have an account on your forum and I'll try out the VPN thing just not sure how that works yet. Thanks for fast reply

[@Ray-ej3jb]

Hang on a minute, do you have the right cylinder number? Engines are numbered from the front (fan or crank end), your Verus showed you an engine diagram with a picture of a fan one end and 1-3-4-2 after wards. You seem to be saying cylinder 3 when it should be cylinder 2 so the Verus is correct when it says cylinder 2

[@ScannerDanner]

Firing order is different than cylinder layout. It's 1-2-3-4 when counting the cylinders

[@gvvq-pi5ml]

Hi Paul i have a strange question, how does the coil know when to turn ON, i know the crank sensor turns it off via the ecu, does that also turn it on...or is it something that is programmed into the PCM from Fred in UK

[@ScannerDanner]

the on and off time of the coil is controlled by the ECM and/or module or in this case the coil itself. There are logic circuits within some of these too. So if the turn on of the base circuit was not timed exactly with the current ramp on this coil. The coil is still using this to know when to turn the driver on. (logic circuit built into the coil)

[@gvvq-pi5ml]

Thanks Paul......

[@MicheluceRizzuto]

Great video, but I have found out myself that sometimes when it ignition coil goes bad on a Toyota it may not let the car start at all. In other words it will crank up for just a moment and then stall. I had this happen to me at one time and it really kicked my butt. It turned out to be a coil that was installed by another person and it was defective. I put an ignition coil from Toyota a Denso coil and the car started and ran fine. It was very strange because I never seen this happen before. I thought it was a theft issue with the key and communication between the key fob and the computer.

[@kalindambozi2356]

That's true. Av seen it several times

[@KobaBlack113]

Part 2 and 3 links don't work Paul sir. Nevermind lol. I can watch them with my premium.

[@henrietta70]

Where did you find them on Premium?? I do not find any video made on Toyota....

[@ablackformula]

Why do the grounds get tied together at the scope? Doesnt the amp probe have its own seperate dc system (from its internal 9v batt) and then the coil wire from the cars 12v batt? So how does the scope know to compare channel 2 to the 12v batt ground and channel 1 to the 9v batt ground?

[@ScannerDanner]

The 9 volt battery in the amp clamp is completely separate. It is needed for the amp clamp to produce a voltage output that is proportional to the magnetic field it is measuring. So yes, amp clamps produce voltage. You are not looking at amperage on the screen but an amperage equivalent. Did that answer your question?

[@ablackformula]

ScannerDanner, perhaps i worded it wrong. The output of the amp probe is a voltage, and is produced by the clamps 9v battery, a completely different dc circuit than the coils control wire and ground circuit. So for the scope to read the clamps output voltage, it must compare channel 1 to the ground of the 9v battery. Yet to read coil voltage, it compares channel 2 to the cars dc ground. Yet the scope uses a common ground for all channels, and for it to work you need to tie all grounds together. Just seems odd to me, as if youve taken the 9v battery ground wire directly to the cars frame.

[@paulsimpson2232]

Ive tried this set up SD but i had to put the low probe in channel 1 , and the yellow lead into ch2 but now i thinking ch2 is not working because i could not get it to trigger to work from the cop . But the scope capture needs some explaining if possible. I will try and link it asap .

[@stefanBEAR98]

I am a diy Can snap-on verus work with a third party atenuator such as hantek 20:1 for checking secondary ignition waveform?

[@ScannerDanner]

It's not necessary to use an attenuator for Secondary Ignition on any scope

[@phannsyfredyang2200]

Stefan h

[@phannsyfredyang2200]

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[@Thunderroad8517]

what's part 2 and 3 labeled under? great video!

[@JoeCnNd]

My battery died on me last night while plugged in testing components. It was still good but didn't have the power to turn over.

[@davidrosenthal2137]

What could make a Starter stay on all the time

[@ScannerDanner]

a partial short to ground on the solenoid wire, a sticking relay, a faulty starter solenoid

[@jesusyeshuaelelyonelshadai6295]

Or just swap coil 2 to 1 and see what happens plus its only a 10mm 1 minute.... But 5 ways to find a fault resistance backprobing signal or using spark tester or visible inspection of coil and plug or using scanner and check fuel injector or coil 1 by 1

[@ScannerDanner]

That works when you can get to the coils. This wasn't a video on THE way, but on A way it can be done.

[@MuhammadAli-su3oo]

dear Paul.. thanks so much for Teaching. I'm willing to buy Launch ScanPadII and it's Labscope; are you aware that Launch's Labscope is pretty well or PicoScope is more better? Im giving more value to Launch over Verus because Launch allowed much extra access to resets. Give your suggestion please

[@ScannerDanner]

Post your question here. www.scannerdanner.com/forum/diagnostic-tools-and-techniques.html I have an international audience that can help you better based on your market

[@MuhammadAli-su3oo]

ScannerDanner Thanks, I approached there. I have had created ID there.

[@smms5056]

👍👍

[@viddeh8010]

As you prolly know Paul unplugging the Injector or/and O2 sensor forces OL - does unplugging the coil do the same ?

[@Discretesignals]

Engine stalls and won't start when you unplug one coil would red flag me. I do know that on some vehicles the ECU will kill injectors if the IGF signal is missing, but would it disable all injectors for one coil missing an IGF? Could be you have another coil with a problem other than the one your suspecting and it can't run on 2 cylinders when you disable your #3.

[@Discretesignals]

Got a 2000 Corolla 1.8L in the shop this morning for a LOF. Unplugged coil #3 and the engine missed, stalled, and wouldn't restart. If the IGF signal is lost on any of the coils, the PCM will disable fuel injectors. I guess disabling injectors would be better for locating a miss on this design.

[@Thunderroad8517]

+Discretesignals how did you get the injectors to start firing again?

[@erickvqz77]

Hi danger I was waching this videos and curios did u put the amp clam on all ground wires or just one? Thank you

[@dandaman150c]

they all share the same ground so the clamp was placed on the ground between the splice for all 4 and the ground

[@johnmckamy6398]

one of the coils looks different

[@ralfvalcourt9187]

On a side Note I have never ran across a 4 Cyl. Engine that did not share that same firing order 1342 at least that is what we where told many moons ago

[@victorcorona9797]

yes that's right for 4 cylinder in line. but boxer change firing order

[@ralfvalcourt9187]

Correct, I failed to put the inline in the coment

[@georgespangler1517]

Coil fires when it loses magnetic field

[@ScannerDanner]

Yes sir

[@paulfiebke3909]

Went watch outher to vidioes and could not watch

[@ghostcar]

Ah he wants too. How noble. Just get on with it wtf.