Toyota Issues TSB for Supra Oil Consumption? - B58 Common Issues

Let's talk about Oil consumption in the late model B58 vehicles
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[@peterharris7862]

Could bad PCV cause oil consumption my B58 burns 1l every 1500 miles

[@JXiong-zo8ig]

5W40 or 0W40.... 0W20 is trash

[@pawelludew291]

0w20 to b58?! Seriously?! It needs 5w40 high performance oil not a piss

[@pawelludew291]

0w40 might be good as well

[@JXiong-zo8ig]

Yes 0W20 is trash 0W40 or 5W40 is best

[@betahours9416]

Unless there is an issue with the PCV system(because the lack of ported vacuum); the oil disappearing is very simple. On short driving periods where the engine is not fully heated to operating temp; fuel makes it away around the rings. When fuel sits in your oil and is heated in the crankcase it turn to steam, removing oil with it. Long story story; heat your engine to full operating temp. Thinner oils just mean less oil pressure and less heat soak. Those engines are new; with even cylinder contribution the engine should be running fairly cool……

[@Mabeylater293]

Just buy a Tesla. Problem solved.

[@2ss2001]

I mean, most BMW have had that issues for decades

[@ryantillack1663]

I'm pretty sure this is due to the 2019-2020 B58TUs came with a oil pump that had plastic in it. This would also cause the oil to fail measuring at 16-20%, the root cause is the oil pump. The oil pump part number that is bad is 11-41-8-646-453 the one that replaces it is Oil Pump - BMW (11-41-9-895-359). Everything you said is correct all the symptoms and issues for over a year since I had my m340i I have never been able to measure the oil and my car would burn oil fast and always had to top it off for example, I do oil change every 3k miles 0w-20, sometimes after 500 miles of sport plus heavy driving the car tells me to add 2 quarts in my head knowing I just did an oil change, their is no way it should be burning oil that fast. Fast forward the root cause of the issue is BMWS oil pump in B58TU 2019-2020 models- The 2021-2023 models have the updated part in them, Im sure you don't see this oil issue on 2021 2022 2023 models.

[@thatarabicguy487]

Great video. Keep it going. I have a 2021 M340i. Going on to the 3rd year of ownership. Oil change done at the prescribed mileage of about 13k. Since my last oil change, which was about 2000km ago, I received my first minder to top up the oil by a quart. So did the top up. Dealer told me it’s quite normal for it to burn that much oil. Let’s see if the problem persists.

[@kern417]

as i like to say typical? yes. normal? no. but yes, keep an eye on it. hopefully it's just a fluke.

[@mike9588]

13K KM right?

[@dragosalexandrup]

Literally same on 540i in 2000km, 0.3l of oil burned. Did you find anything wrong with it in the meantime?

[@m3forty780]

I also have a 2021 m340i. Have to add 1 to 2 quarts in between services of 15,000 KMs. The investigative track I’m on right now is following the start of a whirring sound from the engine at about 57,000 KMs. I’ve been monitoring oil pressure and notice once the oil is at operating temp, I’m seeing oil pressure hit 100-110 psi which I don’t think is normal. Would have assumed it would be under 80. This high psi could explain oil consumption I’m seeing coupled with the 0W20 oil used.

[@ianvelarde8517]

Mine just started to consume a very small amount of oil. I probably put about 1700 and it looks like it burned about .3 of a liter. I just switched to the Liquimoly 5w-30 from an 0w-20. last oil change didn’t consume any at all 🤔

[@gustavomota7244]

My 2016 340i also does this. We beat on it ALOT tho soo 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@cynicaljohn3198]

Why bother keeping it? It's a BMW and BMW has had multiple lawsuits filed against them for oil consumption issues that they refuse to acknowledge and accept. It's not just BMW with problems, it's German cars in general along with the Volkswagen group. Did nobody learn anything from Dieselgate? You're better off just leasing a German car for a few years so you can get rid of it before a gasket blows or some electronics malfunction.

[@kern417]

BMW is in the top 3 automakers for reliability currently 😬

[@cynicaljohn3198]

@@kern417 Citation needed. (Hint: It's a CR and JD study based on only 12 months of ownership). You ever wonder why it isn't based on more than 12-months of ownership and how BMW jumped from #10 to #3? But that's okay. People will always try to justify spending money on a lemon that can't seem to stop eating oil every 700+ miles or needs a gasket replaced every few thousand miles because it's leaking oil.

[@kern417]

@@cynicaljohn3198 my car eats 0 oil, along with millions of other cars. This is a specific issue to this MY/Generation as explained in the video 😬

[@J0n.M]

Great information. Thanks for posting this. Considering a used '21 Supra from a BMW dealership and will only Toyota dealerships have the diagnostic software to see if oil light has ever come on in the past? Can the oil light indicator be "cleared" to hide the issue?

[@kern417]

Dealership level software. You can also try using bimmerlink

[@drenizeqiri]

105000 miles, 170.000 km and no oil consumption at all. Very happy about that

[@kern417]

Awesome enjoy it

[@Vosovogalsyncope]

Nice video! Only reason keeping me from pulling the trigger on a M car is no oil dipstick. Like why BMW...

[@BoostyGeoff]

Me laughing about these issues as a rotory rx8 owner 😆 i got fed up of feeding it oil so the solution to the issue was to 2j swap it 😈🫡

[@LichaelMewis]

Any idea if the 2023 3.0 Supras are experiencing this issue?

[@ambushbullies]

Haven’t had any issues on mine ran mine to 9250 then changed it with GR supra oil that’s what the manual recommends

[@nchaw6]

I have a 21 Supra and I have the same issue.. Bought the car with 3,350 miles and I got the engine oil at minimum notification at 6082 mi. Now I'm sitting closer to 9K miles and I measured the oil level and it's almost back at minimum. Currently, I have a DP, JB4, and CAI installed but I'm planning on changing everything back to stock and taking it to the dealer. Should I advise them that it's the piston ring gaps? Will I be fine taking my car to the dealership after reverting back to stock? Your response will be much appreciated.. Thank you.

[@kern417]

They should be able to diagnose it for you. There are a lot of potential causes

[@LuizPauloDT]

I have just changed the oil in my 440i after 16k km. I monitor the oil level regurlaly and the level was steady in the MAX mark since day one from previous change. Seeing all the problems and hearing that is "normal" some oil comsumption, It made me a bit paranoid wondering if there could be any problem with the sensor xD. Should I consider myself lucky with a healthy car or become paranoid and find a way to measure the level somehow for peace of mind? :p

[@kern417]

I haven't had any issues with mine either. It is mostly an issue with B58TU engines

[@shanemitchell5807]

If the engine was designed by Toyota there wouldn't be this issue. No engine should consume that much oil. Typical German crap engineering. My i30 N doesn't consume any oil and has done 87K and I give it the beans on a regular basis.

[@kern417]

😂😂😂

[@TurkeyWilliams]

I own a 2021 Supra and fortunately it doesn’t appear that my car has this issue. I’ve had the add quart message appear after 5k miles and 3k miles, i just topped it off. But I do have the problem where my car is not able to measure the oil. I will start the process and it will continually fail at 16%. Getting rid of a dipstick is perhaps the dumbest thing ever.

[@Giulioflorio]

If you put too much oil the car give you an alarm? And if you need to remove the eccessive oil how you Do It 😂 no dipstick its a prank from Toyota😅

[@ff9230ff]

Any body have the can’t check oil level? My is alway stuck at 18%

[@mfeng.b58]

My 2020 m340i kept getting stuck at 17%. Took it to the dealership and they replaced the oil pump under warranty. All good now.

[@ff9230ff]

@@mfeng.b58 I have replaced the oil level sensor and it is still stuck, I will try the oil pump now. Unfortunately my car is tuned 🥲 dealer ship is the last resort for this problem. Thank you for ur solution 👌

[@yeelee0927]

My 2020 M340ix consumes oil from max to min like every 3,000km… This is really annoying as the dealer says it’s all fine, some of my friends with the same car have this issue while some don’t.

[@kern417]

Sorry to hear. It definitely should be addressed even though they claim it's normal. Some people say that going to w30 or w40 reduces the consumption

[@esstee9595]

So with no dipstick, how do you know how much oil to add? Friend of mine just told me she's going to get a full refund for her '22 Supra over this issue. Toyota wants it back.

[@kern417]

You have to measure it in idrive. If it gets to minimum on the screen then you add a quart. And if it's only halfway down then put in about half a quart.

[@dapetik]

I can't believe you buy such an expensive car and have to deal with this. None of my Toyotas burn a drop. That's unacceptable. It's a shame Toyota lowered themselves to partnering with BMW and having a oil thirsty engine in a car with a Toyota badge

[@fzr1000981]

0W-20 is a concession for fuel economy and way too thin. 5W-30 is best viscosity for street cars

[@kern417]

Lol

[@fzr1000981]

@@kern417 you don't anything about oil, I've researched this for decades and my brother works for GM Advanced Vehicle Engineering so go f yourself, sheep. What is said is EXACTLY right. BMW also specified 15W-50 in their n/a V8 and we know what a train wreck that was...

[@fzr1000981]

Do these engines run a catch can? How is oil blowby managed?

[@kern417]

It is recirculated to the intake

[@fzr1000981]

@@kern417 right but that means it ends up coking the valves without a properly sized catch can - won't get washed off with DI and will cost power

[@kern417]

@@fzr1000981 the b58 doesn't really have that issue

[@fzr1000981]

@@kern417 they all do unless it has a baffled head like the Type R. How many people actually scope their intake valves for buildup? Basically none

[@kern417]

@@fzr1000981 how about everybody that has installed port injection 😂 This isn't a Type R. It's not an issue on our cars. You can check your charge pipe at 100k and it's dry. The engine has tight tolerances that limit blowby.

[@etherdawg]

Were changes made with the 2022 b58 engine to correct the oil consumption issue?

[@kern417]

I'm not sure but you don't hear as many issues after 2021. Time will tell

[@kingsolomon4392]

great content!

[@dgpgarage9291]

There is no official TSB for Supra oil consumption, Also Toyotas industry standard allowable oil consumption is no more then 1qt in 1100-1300 miles. Anything more is considered excessive.

[@TheSupraRegistry]

YESSSS I lemon lawed the A91 Refraction blue because of this crap. Had cylinder scoring. You are dead on. I got ripped on the forums over this. But it shouldn't burn like that. And yes 5w30 seems to fix it.

[@TheNickCrank]

just a heads up but that wasnt a tsb that you showed, it was a tech tip and has nothing to do with an actual tsb. you also added a larger turbo which im sure has the adverse reaction of more boost pressure which equals more blowby. turbo engines driven hard will see oil consumption and it doesnt matter who built the engine. might be beneficial to check if you have the correct oil feed and drain for the oil pressure you have to make sure the turbo isnt adding into the consumption issue.

[@kern417]

A TSB is a tech tip. All it says is to top off oil and interview the owner to relay that information to corporate so they can maintain statistics. My car has not burned any oil in almost 5 years of ownership. Again watch the video. This is an issue that primarily affects 6port TU engines. There are countless gen 1 B58s pushing 600+ HP with no excessive oil consumption. Stop making excuses for OEMs.

[@TheNickCrank]

@@kern417 yeah man youre right, i have no clue what im talking about. been a master tech at toyota for 4 years and a tech there since 2014. but if anyone wants to listen to what im saying heres a few real tips. if the vehicle returns within 1500 miles after the first top off we have to make a tas case or at least thats what our fts requires us to do. within certain mileage, code history, and driving history, you may get a goodwill or free engine rebuild after the tas case and oc test is done. 1500+ miles between top offs is normal for all manufacturers with oil specifications going thinner and thinner. thicker oil and upper induction cleaning can help with oil consumption. we can view your vehicles driving history with techstream so take that as you will.

[@TV-jv4dj]

@@TheNickCrank what State are u located?

[@TV-jv4dj]

@@TheNickCrank Any 2020 model that came in for the same issue?

[@kern417]

@@TheNickCrank I've worked in automotive for the better part of a decade. I've literally written TSBs for techs like you. But what do I know.

[@AlexLester1]

68k miles on my 18 440 and after 6,500 miles on the oil change it’s still at max, starting to wonder if my oil level sensor is faulty I’ve never had a car burn 0 oil 😂😂

[@fzr1000981]

You haven't owned many BMWs then

[@AhmedElsayed-ox1db]

Should i do the transmission service (340i zf8) at 50k miles or wait, and what’s required.. is it only the oil & oil pan or should i also replace the transmission cooler

[@TheLPCGAMING]

My ‘19 X3 M40i is driven aggressively with MHD stage 1 and I have had 0 issues, 50k miles. My old N55 was a quart down routinely before oil change interval.

[@germanengineering204]

Hate hearing of these types of issues! B58 in my 21 M240i has no oil consumption problems so far! Knock on wood!

[@illestpeenoy]

Thanks for sharing this issue!! This gives me flashbacks of when I owned an Audi A5 that had really bad oil consumption (they had a class action lawsuit for theirs). Thankfully I’m not dealing with it as of now with my 2018 240i.

[@kern417]

yep, if people came from VAG FSI days they'd know how this rodeo goes. Just because they're ignoring it now doesn't mean it won't be addressed later.

[@skylineOwnZall]

You have a gen 1 b58, which doesn't have this problem.

[@jaydevries1020]

Mine burns a quart every 4000 miles. 2021 Supra.

[@kern417]

not the worst i've heard of but definitely not ideal

[@meowpwr]

I have a 6 port Supra. My first 3k miles I was definitely putting in oil more than I should. I think I added an additional 3 qts so I was burning through 1qt every 1k miles. After going with a top mount kit my tuner suggested changing the oil to 5w40 and I have gone another 2k miles now and haven’t had to top off yet.

[@kern417]

that's great news

[@TV-jv4dj]

I don’t know man. If u lose a quart per 1,000 miles, that’s something I would let Toyota to deal with. That’s just too much for me. A quart per 3,000 miles? maybe.

[@meowpwr]

@@TV-jv4dj 🤷‍♀️ everyone’s different. Oil is like gas in some sense. If u drive harder don’t u burn it faster?

[@toybm]

Engines consuming Oil or Coolant is NOT normal. Not sure why people are trying to justify this.

[@sly9263]

because they're stupid and or used to having shit cars

[@defm0de]

Normal for BMW engines lol

[@torentmonkey]

Let me explain. Emission driven low friction/tension piston rings lead to this. Wont break, will eat oil. The piston simply does not scrape the oil on the cyl walls due to emission regulations and lead to increased oil consumption. My 300k km m50 engine eats next to nothing doing 25 psi , was doing this before with stock internals and also with rebuilt forged internals. B48 and 58s I had on my hands consume oil BUT, only if you get them hot. In 6000km it ate one liter but autobahn and track usage with 0w30.

[@chrisjames2079]

I have a 21’ m340i. At 5k I did an oil change then did a road trip in mid September from nyc down to key west, after I was in key west a few days the check oil light came on, it took about a half quart of liqui moli 6600 0w-20, on the drive back no more oil level issues and I changed the oil at about 3k using the same liqui moli blend. As of today I have about 15k and never have any engine oil consumption issues, but I stayed doing the 5k oil changes. I don’t believe in the 10k claims

[@armandomunoz2958]

A 2021 Supra came in with the same oil consumption issue. Found out the piston ring gaps weren’t at the correct spec causing oil consumption. Newer pistons with rings at the correct gap solved the issue.

[@whiskeytangohotel6624]

Covered by warranty?

[@armandomunoz2958]

@@whiskeytangohotel6624 Correct

[@kern417]

it almost always ends up being ring gap in any platform i've monitored. it was the same issue with VW/Audi engines in the late 2000s.

[@mr.m2137]

How bad is it for the engine if you keep driving it with this issue? Just topping off every time.

[@kern417]

It really just depends. If it's consumed due to ring up and usually it just gets worse and worse. The same way you want to use a catch can to filter out oil from going into your intake, you don't want excess oil blowing past the piston rings because it can hinder performance. Basically the car can manage it but you won't be 100%.

[@abbike]

Love your videos...but not all X3s with the B58 are soccer parent cars used for slow driving. The X3 M40i with the B58 is pretty fast for a family hauler and can be driven pretty aggressively!

[@kern417]

I mean I drive my X5 aggressively but that doesn't mean it was designed for it. These are commuter cars that we rip into to make them more fun.

[@xxz1434]

@@kern417 Nice! in Europe all the commuter and police vehicles are BMWs with 2.0/3.0 diesels and the hybrid 2.0s are also getting more popular, something like an X3 M40i or X3 M are not considered to be soccer mom vehicles here, even the wealthier folk go for the diesels/hybrids even if they could afford the running costs. So its interesting to see in America, something with a B58 is considered average. Most people here buy something regular and then have an M3 or something for fun or special occasions

[@kern417]

It's because the b58 is mid-tier. A lot of our cars don't even come with diesel or 4 cylinder options because they don't sell. But even in an M, the platform was designed for one purpose and then the M division beefed it up with other components. Not really a ground up design focused on performance.

[@danielwilliams214]

Someone needs to take a look at the rings. Toyota isn’t new to oil consumption issues. 2az engine had this problem and was put in a lot of things.

[@kern417]

It always ends up being piston rings on any platform I've seen experience this. Same with VW/Audi engines.

[@thegeorgeman1]

The b58 is a BMW engine so not really a fair comparison

[@danielwilliams214]

@@thegeorgeman1I’m sure Toyota had its hand in putting it together. Also if there’s an oil consumption problem it most likely the rings. Just like every other oil consumption problem

[@thegeorgeman1]

@@danielwilliams214 From what I've heard, Toyota had their hand in the engineering process of the gen 2 b58 in order to make sure it was up to their standards. However, i'm fairly certain bmw has complete control over assembling the motors along with choosing parts suppliers. Regardless, they should definitely both try and sort the issue out asap as it's not a good look.

[@danielwilliams214]

@@thegeorgeman1 the Supra is a gen2 b58. That’s where the problem is lol. Gen 1 don’t really have the problem. They disappear coolant tho lol.

[@panthersfan3168]

Hey Kern how do you feel about the s58 engine? I know it’s 90% different than the b58 however I am I just curious if you would make a video talking about it or a compare/contrast, pros/cons

[@kern417]

It's a solid powerplant. I can't wait to see what it's truly capable of when OBD Flash tuning becomes more readily available and people tinker with them more.

[@davec5237]

Great information, thanks for sharing 👍

[@technopro-kz4xv]

My car is a 440i gran coupe 2017 ZF8HP with only 50.000kms on the clock, MHD stage 1 and Xhp flash stage 2… my B58 has no oil consumption at all between oil changes. My intervals for oil changes is 10.000Kms with liqui Moly 5W-30. Greetings from Spain 🇪🇸 Really happy with my car 😉👌

[@Tupeutla]

when are we going to find a cheeseburger into you engine bay ? ... you did already Redbull can , now straw ... need to watch all the videos to play the game ...

[@richardzarate5250]

Kevin is there anyway you can help me get Ista + for our platform? I've been trying to get it for a while now and when I have succeeded downloading it doesn't connect, I don't mind paying for it. I need to code a new TCU after wrapping the roof.

[@kern417]

if you already have it, double check your settings to make sure it's setup properly. For F/G series, you should be using a local area enet connection. you may need to set a static IP address as well.

[@cristiangutu6318]

Im glad i got a 2017’ 540i. Im on Bm3 stage 2 e50 and never had any oil consumption. While my friends have m340’s and they all burn oil

[@universalg_]

My friend who has a 21’ m340 put catless downpipes on his car and his car started to have issues. It started to fume a ton of crap out the exhaust, car drives slower, and burns oil. Now that he put the OEM downpipe back on the car is normal and does not burn any oil with 5w-30.

[@Enthusiastlist]

@@universalg_ it’s still burning oil the cat is just hiding it

[@universalg_]

@@Enthusiastlist for real bro? He took his car to the dealer and his turbo was smoked with oil from what I was told. I recently swapped his intake for an mst intake and the film within the intake and turbo inlet was more wet with oil compared to my gen1 b58. He normally checks his oil with the idrive and it still has consistently stayed the same

[@kern417]

Yes, this is really a gen 2 issue.

[@Branflakes1234]

Appreciate you validating this issue. I see a lot of mixed opinions on the forums. I've been tracking my oil consumption for almost a year and it showed barely any change from 0w-20 to 5w-30. Hopefully Toyota or BMW will release a real TSB soon

[@dom10k]

What’s a tsb ?

[@kern417]

@dom10k technical service bulletin. Basically an update from the OEM to help techs understand and diagnose an issue.

[@TV-jv4dj]

I bought 2020 used Supra for this reason. I do not like losing oil that can’t be tracked.