Thanks for your comments about the resolution. It seems to have been resolved now on desktop at least, and of course, we did shoot and upload this in full HD. KZbin is seemingly taking forever to process it so thanks for being patient.
@UTubeSL5 жыл бұрын
@Ultimate Zeno Russell when I read 'whiteboys' I thought the comment couldn't get worse... I was wrong! Spectacularly uninformed and bizarre comment.
@Luminary20245 жыл бұрын
Autocar will there be any objective tests for these cars? (Quarter mike Times, laptimes)
@7h3th15 жыл бұрын
Imagine having a track to yourself a nd a couple of brilliant sports cars a nd not doing timed laps
@Nebbia_affaraccimiei5 жыл бұрын
not quite sure why I'm seeing 4k video if you upload in full HD, but glad it's there.
@blkpig66645 жыл бұрын
Nice job!
@primosupra5 жыл бұрын
I honestly never heard someone say so many words without actually saying anything, and basically leave us with nothing of an outcome.
@thunderboltcalgary15595 жыл бұрын
Basically, Porsche biased journalist cannot admit defeat of their favourite car.. LOL.... See other more real less biased journalist reports
@GIANNHSPEIRAIAS5 жыл бұрын
Autocar is two thing lies falseflags and shitting on fiat
@pininfarina5755 жыл бұрын
sounded like to me they were trying to avoid triggering fanboys really really hard
@backinblack12315 жыл бұрын
@@thunderboltcalgary1559 As a Porsche fan I don't hesitate to admit the 718 cayman has lost it's edge. If Porsche stopped holding it back to make the 911 look better maybe things would be different, but as it is that 4 cylinder turbo is a tragedy.
@AD690smcr5 жыл бұрын
I was thinking this too. What a waste of time
@LigerLt5 жыл бұрын
How did you make me falling asleep while watching sport cars? I'm quite amazed by that
@silverspiritveritas1125 жыл бұрын
I'd still take the Alpine. It's such a unique car and you want it to feel special. Also the fun and pure factor of the car is very appealing in the sea of electronic gadgetry etc.
@ajames7185 жыл бұрын
I think the outcome here is, you're already a winner if you're looking to buy either of these cars.
@MrHCars4 жыл бұрын
I had the same decision between the Cayman T or M2c... in the end i chose the M2c for many reasons. The angry and aggression of the m2 made it so much more enjoyable over the cayman. I felt special in the cayman, but it just lacked that aggression.
@nicksokolis63435 жыл бұрын
I'll take the Alpine, thank you very much.
@hifiandmtb5 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Either you want to own a pure sports car or buy one of the others.
@Beer_Dad19755 жыл бұрын
I do love the early 90's Japanese sports car homage looks (I bet that's not what they were aiming for but it's where they ended up) and it seems like the purest of this lot - it would definitely make a great second car for weekends and track days.
@gpmmusicjunkie5 жыл бұрын
Great quality videos and great analysis of the cars. I'd take the Alpine A110
@heamees48225 жыл бұрын
I wish there were timed laps, but regardless I'd choose the Alpine. I like its light weight and fun factor over power and pure perfomance approach and the retro desing. Also, unlike the 718, the 4-cylinder fits with its character in my opinion
@nunobandeira18115 жыл бұрын
Agree, just wish they made a nice manual box! 😪 They went to so much trouble and expense to make a great involving sports car and then stick a dct in it 🤦🏻♂️ deal breaker for me
@drazenbudis78815 жыл бұрын
And the best braking feel ever, a point many dont talk about, but its an incredibly important part of driving experience. If you ever get the chance to drive one, take notice of that. Sublime!
@lucianwisniewski86935 жыл бұрын
Nuno Bandeira I agreed with you- before I'd been in one. Somehow, you actually don't really miss the manual box, the car is so fantastic to drive without it!
@nunobandeira18115 жыл бұрын
Lucian I have unfortunately never driven one but my last car was a gt86 and the manual box just helped make it so involving! Surely I wouldn’t have loved it as much as I did with a dct... I’m sure the Alpine is a really great car as it is, just think it could’ve been even better with a nice manual. It doesn’t even have the 991 gt3 argument of being so fast that you’re glad you get to keep both hands on the wheel all the time... I’m really happy they went ahead and built the Alpine but these things are made (ok a little bit for the image factor but mostly) to make money! And I’d like to give them some of mine for having the guts to do it and do it properly but the lack of a stick and a 3rd pedal really breaks it for me... Porsche went back on it when the gt3 came out as pdk only, I hope Alpine have the courage to do the same!
@hyweltthomas2 жыл бұрын
@@nunobandeira1811 I had the GT86 followed by an Elise S2 but the Alpine is an absolute joy. I totally agree with your thoughts on manual driving, but, for me - and for every other tester on YT, they don't miss a manual at all. I urge you to have a test drive.
@LeonMk4FR5 жыл бұрын
The BMW M2 sounds almost like an E46 M3 and that was an epic sounding car
@VictorPitstop5 жыл бұрын
Epic until you get an exhaust system. Rasp rasp rasp!
@Franzino5 жыл бұрын
Not the M2 comp....the normal M2...maybe 🤔
@LeonMk4FR5 жыл бұрын
@@Franzino the normal M2 sounds like an M140i with a bigger turbo, the M2 comp sounds waayyy better in my opinion
@doublevanoz5 жыл бұрын
Yes! Yes it was! Only true enthusiast can appreciate the way an e46 M3 sounds. I'm a fan of the s55, for a turbocharged car it still has that raspy tinny sound (like you said) I freaking love the way the m4 GTS sounds
@michaelsalter24735 жыл бұрын
I’ve had both and there’s no comparison, the E46 had a kind of tinny sound as it went through the power band, intoxicating. The M2 is a deep growl though the pops and bangs are kind of fun. I would love the M2 to sound like the E46, May an Akrapovic exhaust when it’s out of warranty.
@sherwinzn15 жыл бұрын
So basically you are looking for a Porsche Cayman gt4 .lol
@gabemoser15 жыл бұрын
sherwinzn1 exactly
@ziggyfreud53575 жыл бұрын
It would seem so !
@natnut20085 жыл бұрын
Isn't the GT4 twice the price of the Supra?
@paulb72075 жыл бұрын
@@natnut2008 but then Alpine's worst sounding in this test 1.8 Renault engine is more less the same as Porsche's 2.0 liter proper boxer. All these audiophiles commenting here can't hear Reanult's 1.8 liter :-)
@jolatitani5 жыл бұрын
You know you are early when 360p is the highest definition
@Neklank5 жыл бұрын
Thought my TV gave up the ghost!
@digitalportugal5 жыл бұрын
I would like to add the Alfa 4C and a Lotus to the mix... Thanks for your great work guys.
@sbaddison5 жыл бұрын
4C is no longer produced.
@joachimpearson48925 жыл бұрын
I think that a lot of reviewers discount the 4c and the exige/elise just because they are so much less liveable than the big ones. They're so driver focused that you can't really daily them so the reviewers say "bah no one buys them, lets not bother"
@digitalportugal5 жыл бұрын
@@sbaddison didn't know that. Thanks
@doughnuts53645 жыл бұрын
These cars have an element of usability tho
@danielallocca77705 жыл бұрын
Squadrone Rosso 4c spider is still produced - the coupe has been killed. Agree on adding a lotus. Would also be good to see a corvette or similar in the mix for good measure.
@fuzzperoni5 жыл бұрын
The last 5 minutes of this video made me want to self-harm. Painful it was I tell thee.
@tsint5 жыл бұрын
M2 for me, and btw nice t-shirt! :)
@gmoney36855 жыл бұрын
M2 for me
@melo29695 жыл бұрын
Ultimate Zeno Russell That’s fine but I’d still take the M2
@Blastboost865 жыл бұрын
Ultimate Zeno Russell do you have a sports car currently right now?
@dboucher265 жыл бұрын
I’ll take the M2 all day
@mrwilliamwkok5 жыл бұрын
Give me back my 20 minutes. That review was horrible.
@WelkerFarms5 жыл бұрын
That shirt! 😍 Thanks for representing! Love the video too! Wish we could get behind the wheel of one of those! Would you like to drive a BIG BUD Tractor?
@koolman20215 жыл бұрын
Awesome shirt rite there
@adrianhobbs62805 жыл бұрын
They reely had one of your shirts
@ray-vf6ux5 жыл бұрын
I wonder what he would say after he drove a big bud .:)
@noahdeweerd73935 жыл бұрын
thats one heck of a shirt he has on
@matthatch75 жыл бұрын
Why is he wearing a welker farms shirt?
@blex55795 жыл бұрын
should have thrown a LOTUS in the mix...especially given you are brits... from germany.
@farzana66765 жыл бұрын
When was the last time lotus made a car.
@Chris2010H5 жыл бұрын
They should have included the TT RS, it’s in the same segment after all
@nessuno54035 жыл бұрын
Lotus has no chance, it's a kit car in comparison. The TT is a hairdresser's car and no wonder it's going to be killed off. Nobody cares.
@ChapHammersmith5 жыл бұрын
Farzana Patel eh? They are still making 3 models. Elise, Exige and Evora. Although the Elise and Exige may not be sold in too many countries, the Evora is sold in quite a few
@farzana66765 жыл бұрын
@@ChapHammersmith I meant to say a new car. It was about ten years ago.
@AndyBettencourt5 жыл бұрын
You don't 'properly' test cars if you don't give us a lap-time comparison. Good grief.
@jsracs5 жыл бұрын
Andy Bettencourt No lap time because the M2 comp didn’t make it on top. I finally know the reason of the missing lap time, the last couple days, people from the US & Canada brought their Supra to the track, and the 2020 GR Supra beat the M2 comp in a back to back dog flight, as well as cayman s 981 and 991 C4S lap time. (You can search those video on KZbin) W Most likely because the Supra lap time was too good to be shown. Auto car are Bmw fan boy.
@R53.charlie4 жыл бұрын
Lamboguy yeah, but even if it didn’t win, one has 4 seats, and could easily accommodate 4 people going on a long journey, the others can’t😉🤡
@thorandmoljnir5 жыл бұрын
The M2 is by far the best looking and probably the most useful as a daily driver. Love the Porsche's handling but I can't get into the look of it. Supra's Ok and the Alpine is too much of a weekend toy -very cool- but not for me.
@Peanutdenver5 жыл бұрын
Agreed! Unless you offered the new 718 Spyder or GT4 with their NA flat 6 goodness.
@Franzino5 жыл бұрын
thorandmoljnir Manual M2 is my daily driver for almost 3 years....I absolutely love it. When my Girlfriend wanted to buy a new sportscar...she ordered the A110...which is indeed the perfect addition besides the M2 😉
@MrErinday5 жыл бұрын
I got a 718 base Cayman MT but it does have a sports exhaust. Never had an older 6 cylinder one. Could never afford/justify the new 6 GT4 price so somewhat limited in choice. Looked at the M2, but wanted 2 seats only. Funnily enough though took my buddy for a test drive last week and he commented on how surprised he was that the engine/exhaust sounded so good. Im not sure these tests with the mic only picking up the inside noise is a true indication of the sound. I do like driving with the windows down though so I can hear more of the exhaust. Out of those 4, I'd still buy the Cayman. It's just a joy to drive, and the chassis, gearbox make it just a great place to be in all the time. I daily drive it through the summer.
@patrick_19844 жыл бұрын
i think you forgot to mention looks. It does look the best of the group. i though went for a c43 amg coupe . enjoy the porsche.
@BBk20z35 жыл бұрын
This was my first review I watched on your channel. It will probably be my last. You took twenty minutes to tell us next to nothing.
@williamk18005 жыл бұрын
I can only have one car in my garage, so I went with the M2 (albeit in OG N55 guise) thanks to the backseats and usable boot space.
@apolloandratti79225 жыл бұрын
And the least flawed car is.... is that where the evolution of the sports car brought us to today?
@joekerry1235 жыл бұрын
Apparently, they're all too good - computers for ya.
@apolloandratti79225 жыл бұрын
Joe Kerry 😂
@edwingonzalez90315 жыл бұрын
Great sport cars & only one of them manual transmission! Thank you Porsche!
@nunobandeira18115 жыл бұрын
🙏🏻 amen! You can get the M2 with one too. Shame on you Alpine!
@lucianwisniewski86935 жыл бұрын
Nuno Bandeira Alpine avoided the manual root due to a DCT being lighter! Shame, I agree, but you actually don't really feel that the car needs it!
@FEGTTTSDH5 жыл бұрын
@Viet Phan Well in reality is true and the Alpine point is the low weight so... We can expect a manual soon... or a catherham ;)
@lucianwisniewski86935 жыл бұрын
Viet Phan Well, it is the reason, whether you believe me or not... Alpine focused on light weight over power for the A110 project and thus to save weight with the ability to have a central tunnel for lightweight components (an E-Handbrake for example) they opted for a DCT.
@rorycahill5 жыл бұрын
You can also get a manual on the M2
@Showmetheevidence-5 жыл бұрын
I absolutely HATE a review where you don’t have the balls to make a decision. Thumbs down.
@bigTTTTT5 жыл бұрын
Bro they chose the Supra.
@mikesonkwan53635 жыл бұрын
I think they were paid to choose the Supra and didn't pick any of the others as winners since it was sponsored by Toyota
@fragu1235 жыл бұрын
Things are often not as obvious and black&white as some of us wish in order to avoid complex analysis, thinking and judgement which might feel painful if the ability or willingness to do so is limited.....
@limericklad20005 жыл бұрын
Here's a crazy suggestion. During a British summer (or any season) if you bring cars to a track to do a track test and the weather is being cooperative - now hear me out - YOU DO THE FUCKING LAP TIMES BEFORE IT STARTS PISSING RAIN.
@techyd84115 жыл бұрын
Exige Roadster should be in this mix, Evora’s a different price point now, but still worth looking at in this collection
@bumpinjeep5 жыл бұрын
The best of the bunch is the car that makes the most sense to you. That's why I have a M2 Competition in my garage, 6 speed manual of course. Just did my break in service last week, can comfirm, the thing is a pocket rocket.
@Franzino5 жыл бұрын
bumpinjeep True...awesome car!
@VictorEstrada5 жыл бұрын
Yeah it has the best engine of the 4. When buying a sports car, you also have to look at upgradeability, the m2 will get you over 500hp with just a tune
@aziezamer32755 жыл бұрын
can u get a manual with the m2 comp?
@Franzino5 жыл бұрын
Victor Estrada Not everybody cares about putting more power to their car... I for a fact; will keep my M2 engine full original.
@Franzino5 жыл бұрын
Aziez Amer Yes you can!
@swanblake5 жыл бұрын
Would easily take the manual M2 Comp or 718 Cayman with stick shift.. Also does this guy know the people that made the chassis of the 86 was Subaru, not BMW. I think he was saying Toyota built the chasis of both which is incorrect.
@nessuno54035 жыл бұрын
These guys are clueless and not just in this video. It's their trademark. The 2.OL Cayman is JUNK.
@marcelruckenwind45635 жыл бұрын
You should drive that 'junk' first, and then comment @@nessuno5403
@nessuno54035 жыл бұрын
@@marcelruckenwind4563 I did months ago. Thanks for checking 😉
@peterhammer69155 жыл бұрын
Porsche has destroyed the Cayman with that engine.
@lensoprezole53225 жыл бұрын
718 Cayman GT4 has a naturally aspirated Flat 6 cylinders !
@miket5705 жыл бұрын
@@lensoprezole5322 Only Porsche can take away an engine and sell it as a special edition
@stephanvelines70065 жыл бұрын
Mike Only people can shout for harsh emission regulations and then be surprised when manufactures ditch there bigger engines.
@xmodMAN765 жыл бұрын
lmao its not destroyed, i had a 981 before i got my 718 and im actually very happy that i can easily pick up speed at any rpm on the highway. the older car struggled unless i downshifted a few gears on the highway.
@peterhammer69155 жыл бұрын
@@xmodMAN76 its not slow but the engine has zero character. And in a sportscar you want that.
@VoloKinProject5 жыл бұрын
In other words "we didn't like the Alpine, the Cayman is your wife's car, the M2 is the best but we've been sponsored by Toyota, so..."
@sixpotshot5 жыл бұрын
Car makers making cars like the Alpine needing us buyers to buy them to keep them building them: I absolutely love the thing and would love to have one BUT at more than 50K a car maker would have to give me much more than a tiny 1.8T 4 pot, an extra pedal and a much better build e.g. as it stands it is massively overpriced in my opinion a problem that has affected Lotus for donkey years. Sales will tell but as with Lotus it will probably remain an exotic rarity which will be the main reward for those who have and who will sink their dosh into this lightweight dough
@BrownAbrahamic1125 жыл бұрын
Buying a car just for it's infotainment system? Lol!
@waitwuttt5 жыл бұрын
thank god for auto car having full reviews unlike a lot of these channels.
@nessuno54035 жыл бұрын
This is a waste of time though
@Pauliepsi5 жыл бұрын
Oh and the Supra, dynos at or around 350 whp, same 3.0 as the BMW. They say 335 its not.
@Ouss-20775 жыл бұрын
probably to lower the taxes on the customer
@henryw315 жыл бұрын
This filmed in the UK , Euro versions may have more strict emissions.
@wasdwasdwwasd5 жыл бұрын
Not this BMW though. The Supra has a B58 while the M2C has an S55.
@Malc180s5 жыл бұрын
No it doesn't. Rubbish dynos.
@Niallboy15 жыл бұрын
Still not enough. Remap would sort it.
@LukeEvans555 жыл бұрын
Would have loved to see a lotus in the mix, maybe the chassis and the sound that beats the porsche
@blex55795 жыл бұрын
lol, just posted the same..
@cesarcastillo24055 жыл бұрын
It's incredible in how many categories Porsche is the benchmark to beat
@LaudaMaestro5 жыл бұрын
Before I start watching. That is one of the most exciting video titles for car enthusiasts today.
@lensoprezole53225 жыл бұрын
And the conclusion of the video is the most disappointing !
@nessuno54035 жыл бұрын
Pity that the content sux the big proverbial as usual from Autocar
@HesteBremse5 жыл бұрын
Not to be biased, but what would the daily annoyance of the M2 be?. I recognize that this is not an easy choice or verdict - but perhaps follow up with a race driver in the seat for some hot laps. and on the other side bring on some luggage that would fit for a long weekend tour. It is kind of weird to judge these cars and include daily driving as a parameter when only being on the track - Then it should be about which one makes most fun/satisfaction on the track that determines the verdict. At least I´d like to see a follow up to this episode, whatever the theme would be. Daily Driving/living with, hot laps, acceleration. I´m sorry but this comparison review was a bit muddy waters overall.
@rare64995 жыл бұрын
I agree. Surely by every metric the M2 is easier to live with over the Supra. More room inside, rear seats, a larger more usable boot...
@CurtJ0075 жыл бұрын
The M2 rides like a race car tuned for the Nurburgring , hard as nails, ask me how I know.... ;)
@AntJoseph_5 жыл бұрын
We'll see what GRMN does with the Supra!
@nessuno54035 жыл бұрын
Still a BMW in drags
@mrjjthor5 жыл бұрын
Probably aesthetics, suspension, and a whopping 5hp increase allowing the Supra to run a slightly faster lap time. Toyota is too cheap and conservative. At the end of the day it's still a Toyota tuned Z4.
@hertzer20005 жыл бұрын
So, is the 718 the handling "benchmark" or is it the A110?
@iliyakalchev25515 жыл бұрын
As an automotive fanatic and a journalist, this new Supra is just a future classic. If i had the money - i bought it right now. Same goes for the Renault and the M2 as well - future classics. The Cayman, i have zero interest in it. My 2 pence.
@brd2deth9395 жыл бұрын
I love Porsche but I would probably take the M2 comp out of this lot. More fun, practical etc. But real world I would pony up and look for a used GT4 or even a GTS with the flat 6 for around the same $.
@cfrb5 жыл бұрын
whats the purpose of booking a racetrack, and getting 4 sports cars, if you are not going do a lap time?
@michaelsalter24735 жыл бұрын
Have an M2 and looking at the Competition to replace it. I tried a 2.7 Cayman 4 years ago when changing from a 135 Coupe and was captivated by how good it was and although the engine didn’t have the grunt of the 135 it was still so much better, only the finance rate stopped me buying as well as some practicality, (it’s my daily). Fast forward an M235 and 2 years with a an M2 later and the engine in the Cayman I’ve just test driven was, for me, poor. Nowhere near my M2 and although chassis and steering were better a 200 mile blast across mid Wales later confirmed the M2 as a wonderful piece of kit and great fun. Next one will be an M2 comp, I just couldn’t live with that Porsche engine up and down the A1M. If it didn’t intrude in to the cabin so much I might be able to ignore it but the flat spot in lower revs is so frustrating after the M2.
@OpenSurprise5 жыл бұрын
BMW: Which parts you want for the Supra? Toyota: Yes
@IHQ365 жыл бұрын
Nice you have watched the CarThrottle's video.
@RazvanRO5 жыл бұрын
Great review guys! I’d take the Alpine:) More of a sentimental decision. Just seems to me that is has the most character.
@F1ll1nTh3Blanks5 жыл бұрын
Of these, M2 Comp and Alpine for me.
@TheKoukiBoy5 жыл бұрын
It's a shame we can not experience this video in a lower resolution.
@MagicAyrtonforever5 жыл бұрын
XD
@zippycentral5 жыл бұрын
Any lower and we’d be watching minecraft . 😂
@alf2795 жыл бұрын
BMW always knew how to create nimble sports cars. I have the E36, not even an M3, just a slightly modded 28i coupe. Most people don't expect how great it is to drive. I would love to see how this M2 compares to the oldschool similar car they made :)
@Tech-Kino26855 жыл бұрын
I like how he pointed at the m2 and say the 100% bmw lol
@TheDalitis85 жыл бұрын
The Supra is 100% BMW as well.
@photobriangray5 жыл бұрын
Daily use? Supra? M2C has a real back seat, real trunk, best sounding engine and true collector's value later. Supra will get better with tuners and mods, maybe a factory update, but come on, it is a Z4 at heart.
@nessuno54035 жыл бұрын
Worse. It's a 2-seater version of the M140i/M240i ;)
@wohnungwien44415 жыл бұрын
laptimes around this course??? porsche, alpine + 1sec, bmw +1,5sec, supra?
@TeacherToolkitDemo5 жыл бұрын
Why don't they have lap times?
@4ndyr0g3r50n5 жыл бұрын
@@TeacherToolkitDemo watch the video
@inf_infinity96813 жыл бұрын
I'd choose the Supra. I like the Alpine's agility, but Nordschleife lap times show that the Supra is 4 seconds faster than the A110.
@chrisgarret32855 жыл бұрын
M2 Competition for me, it's not even close
@mistreku5 жыл бұрын
Cool video, but nothing that wasn't already on the internet. Really, the lap times were all I was interested in. Maybe start with the lap times next time? You can still hoon around in them in the wet and talk about the cars and stats.
@NafaratMiyaMiya5 жыл бұрын
Good video! I like the looks of the Supra and it seems to be the easiest to live with, I'll wait for the manual gear box for me
@carboydorifutoparty39765 жыл бұрын
Manuels in the works for now and has been rumored to be released in a few months after it's release or next year.
@smiler9214 жыл бұрын
Still one of my favourite reviews
@Alex-FFM5 жыл бұрын
I agree with the non verdict verdict and with the Porsche verdict xD. 5 years ago the Porsche had the great sounding n.a boxter engine soooo..... The cayman with proper sound would be the one that both of you would take as a sports car ! All day long :) Cheers
@ID1visor5 жыл бұрын
I love the "all singing, all dancing" expression :). "with all all the bells and whistles" is also sweet
@marcvic_15955 жыл бұрын
Love hearing the dialogue/analysis of the vehicles of the Autocar journalists.
@bzs69115 жыл бұрын
Do a 3 of 5 lap race with the most powerful car starting from the back like the folks at Best Motoring. That would enable viewers to make an informed decision.
@soaringbeyond5 жыл бұрын
Sad to see the supra reduced to this competition. Back in the day it was the skyline GTR. With Lexus being Toyotas posher vehicles and releasing the LFA i thought that was the perfect platform to give us the new supra.
@carboydorifutoparty39765 жыл бұрын
Mk4 couldn't touch the gtr and wasn't even aimed for it and even the Japanese stated that the mk4 was a boat compared to the R34 at the time. And the LFA was a all out failure since it was too expensive and took too long for them to release it.
@jackroberts79345 жыл бұрын
I'm typically a Porsche guy, but I pick the M2 Competition.
@TheDalitis85 жыл бұрын
I agree, it's difficult to choose between them. If practicality is a real concern, then it has to be the M2 or the BMW Supra. The Porsche is probably the most expensive by far & kudos for its manual GB (the BMW also comes with a manual) but a 4-cylinder at this price point? The Alpine is beautifully minimalist, so it cannot be ignored either.
@DonLee19805 жыл бұрын
Given the Supra is putting out some 400hp, that's actually quite a sleeper bargain.
@JAnx015 жыл бұрын
5:00 - "...torque-vectoring limited slip differential. It's the car that basically the purist wants to drive." I'm a purist and I really need a car with a torque-vectoring rear differential so that I can hand over the control of the rear axle to the computer and my inputs are only taken as a recommendation. You guys nailed it!
@EvanMcC2405 жыл бұрын
Would love to see an obtuse type of test - Civic Type R vs. that Cayman T - similar weights and power - both focused machines yet very different - want to see a back to back on that!
@jhrodriguez085 жыл бұрын
Put the new 718 cayman GT4 in this test and the answer would be the Supra sucks (981 Cayman GT4 owner here) , I would choose the M2 competition in this group though
@bonofrancou25 жыл бұрын
The 718 GT4 would blow away every car. The GTS is enough
@nessuno54035 жыл бұрын
GT4 is in a higher league anyway
@kize325 жыл бұрын
reupload this in 144p
@weed465 жыл бұрын
kize32 you have to wait for KZbin to process moron
@kize325 жыл бұрын
@@weed46 moron is a person who gave birth to you
@thomasferrarojr.97725 жыл бұрын
@@kize32 Nope. Definitely you.
@Sandouras5 жыл бұрын
Once again you cured my insomnia. Thanks!
@RichardsWorld5 жыл бұрын
Did he really say the previous Supra was just OK?
@colinmcrae75625 жыл бұрын
Well hes not lyin
@mineralgrey83325 жыл бұрын
This is what irks me a bit with the previous Supra fanatics. The previous Supra was okay, it was a regular sports car with sport handling nothing special about it, until you tune it. That’s what made the Supra such a legend, The durability and power the Engine was able to hold and the tuning capabilities is what made the Supra such an amazing Car, sale with the GTR R34, my favorite Japanese sports car, but there wasn’t anything special about it till you Tuned it, besides the interiors in which both cars were made to look timeless, stock they weren’t anything special. What made those cars such legends was the fact of the power they produced while being tuned. The M2 and the new Supra come already tuned ready to race, and with a few mods your at a previous Supra ran or even higher. The B85 engine that new Supra has, has proved to even reach power beyond the M2 and that says a lot. In conclusion, both cars were made with different eras in mind. The OG was made to be modified from the bone up, while the new one has more efficient modifications and much of a sport setting, with extra mods making the same if not more power than the original one
@michaelyhchai5 жыл бұрын
Hate it when journalists cop out and don't pick a car. How hard is it to say, if you want a paled back light weight car get the alpine, if you want something more practical with 2+2 seating get the M2, if you want great handling and a quality build get the Cayman and if you want something to do some mods or something different get the supra. Or anything along these lines.
@joshuaroark66985 жыл бұрын
I wish the differences in price would have been discussed
@Malc180s5 жыл бұрын
Oh yes, because money is sooooo exciting. BORING.
@markletts20005 жыл бұрын
Yep,in the real world were it makes a difference your right,but 99% of the people who watch this stuff,and comment on what manufactures and reviewers are doing wrong will never be buying any of these cars😊🇬🇧
@geirarnesen65314 жыл бұрын
Excellent review and demonstration of four very relevant sports cars. Thanks guys! What Diver Watch is James wearing? Microbrand?
@lephareouest16945 жыл бұрын
Alpine the best 💪🇫🇷👍😎small is beautiful
@JuanAntonEgo5 жыл бұрын
"The non-verdict, verdict ".. 🤣🤣 that's a good one! Made sense to me tho! 🤣🤣 lol.
@JeanKatana5 жыл бұрын
once there was a time, people build a Porsche engine into a beatle. Today they build a beatle engine into a Porsche...
@Nexus-lm9xz5 жыл бұрын
Bullshit bla bla
@TheGeoffJames5 жыл бұрын
I purchased a Cayman over the A110. In A110 to adjust seat for my wife I must be on my knees and use spanner. Cayman has electric driver seat with memories, memory steering column and easy access driver seat. More space inside and in the boots. Heated seats, heated steering wheel etc. and same price as A110 with PDK, 20" wheels. It also has six airbags v two in A110. The Cayman is a daily driver for multiple people.
@matthewschiebout73845 жыл бұрын
luckily I don't need to daily my fun cars, I have average, reliable, throw away vehicles for that.
@bingoberra185 жыл бұрын
first, wheres my 360peeps at?
@ryN456785 жыл бұрын
I'm seriously considering trading my Fiesta ST for the M2C. Sadly America dosnt get the Alpine and I don't mind a harsh ride. The Cayman is good but having driven one I'm not sure I can live with that engine.
@gvg13035 жыл бұрын
I have a m2c and been daily her, they are a piece of art. Would say for the right price go for it
@jaylocke95745 жыл бұрын
And people said the type R looks overwhelming.. That supra is not beautiful.
@thomasferrarojr.97725 жыл бұрын
Hideous. Honestly... Name a good looking Japanese car though. They over-style everything. Can't... Put... The..Pen..Down.
@pr0jectSkyneT5 жыл бұрын
@@thomasferrarojr.9772 the Toyota 2000 GT, Mazda RX-7 FD, Mitsubishi FTO, and Nissan GTR R32 are beautiful cars. I do agree the new ones aren't though.
@thomasferrarojr.97725 жыл бұрын
@@pr0jectSkyneT Agreed! Great picks. They look European. That Toyota is damn good looking!
@zdx1975 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love the new Supra and trust me it will sell.
@thomasferrarojr.97725 жыл бұрын
@@zdx197 Yeah, it probably will. But it is still not a good looking design.
@31crazyice5 жыл бұрын
Guys, could you do a Z4M40i vs M2Competition? I know it’s an unusual comparison, but when you think about it, they are in approximately same price range and appeal to same target market.
@audiophilemetallian3 жыл бұрын
Did u take some decision? Drove both?
@MrRootMusic5 жыл бұрын
I would struggle between M2 and Supra. M2 reminds me my old E36 M3 that I loved. Supra combines BMW technology with Toyota reliability. It's not just the suspension they tuned. They also made the engine much tougher to handle the higher boost that tuners will pump into this motor. My heart tells me M2. My brain say Supra. When it comes to other two. Cayman is poor man's 911 and Alpine is like a French croissant. It will not last more than a day before start to dissolve.
@keithprinn69005 жыл бұрын
so compare with the old Cayman with the non turbo 6 cylinder.
@airj175 жыл бұрын
why would you get one guy comparing the a110 vs m2 and another guy comparing the cayman vs the Supra? it's just stupid!! The same guy should compare the 2 front engined cars and another guy on the mid-engined cars! thumb down!
@mountjoy235 жыл бұрын
The comparison comes down to a similar price.
@revaholic5 жыл бұрын
It's a testament to how good each of these cars are when they can't choose one. That's how sports cars should be - they each have their own character and you pick which one you like best. Honestly I've got nothing bad to say about any of these, well, maybe except for the flat sound of the Cayman.
@nessuno54035 жыл бұрын
It's a testament of how clueless and void they are with their judging ability. One is a poser, one is a cheap Porsche, the other a lightweight and the best car a rocketship. Thanks BMW.
@Jay-xr3sb3 жыл бұрын
@@nessuno5403 each to their own. To me the supra looks dated, the cayman is more of a poser with ability to back it up, the a110 is fugly but the most pure sports of the lot and the BMW is another BMW, like an audi us another audi.
@nessuno54033 жыл бұрын
@@Jay-xr3sb the A110 is a little jewel, but emphasis on little... almost toyish. Anyway, 2 years on, much to the surprise or despair of this BMW Supra's fan boys, it appears Toyota is now collaborating with Mazda on a new coupe. No wonder as Hiroshima is going rear wheel drive and 6 cylinder.
@Jay-xr3sb3 жыл бұрын
@@nessuno5403 yeah, the a110 lacks any storage for a weekend for 2 with a fun drive. The looks are soft but it's the most extreme compared to heavy EV or other ICE without going full caterham. I'd love to pick one up at half price in 5-8 years as a toy second car. You can't enjoy the super fast sports cars off the track, handling and momentum driving is best in the uk. I'll save for a cayman, an old 981 or a 718 2.5. The gts 4.0 isn't coming down in price anytime soon. Love to see how the Emira turns out. Until then I'm sure there will be nice hybrid and EV sports offerings. Newer buyers will hate engine noise as much as we like it but instant torque with great handling can be done.
@nessuno54033 жыл бұрын
@@Jay-xr3sb please, please, please... no 718 4 cylinder even if GTS! I too am looking forward to the Emira... ironically as a 4 cylinder (that was the true engine of choice of Lotus) due to DCT. A V6 auto is illogical plus heavier.
@gpb37625 жыл бұрын
Should have brought a Cayman GTS.
@bulletito5 жыл бұрын
this would have been the best review ever if we had some lap times! excellent job. love it
@exoticcarsoffrance2875 жыл бұрын
Alpine a110 every day
@wayneh15625 жыл бұрын
for so many years people have been pro cayman, now there is a new kid on the block.
@Billyg1615 жыл бұрын
Jheez!! That Caymen sounds incredibly dull. Certainly not £40k + noise
@TheDalitis85 жыл бұрын
It's definitely over 60K in the UK.
@MrGB19995 жыл бұрын
I think it'd be so useful with so many of these reviews if we could also use a second hand example as a wild card option. Something that previously was perhaps levels above this type of field but over time is more equivalent. So for example, when reviewing a new Cayman, why not throw in a cheaper end Ferrari 360, a mid-priced 997 / 991 or the last edition R8 or M3 etc etc. Because that's what the average consumer is trying to weigh up, and those types of choices are out there. 👍
@MSchumacherfan5 жыл бұрын
If you buy a sports car you want it to sound like one, only the M2 does that
@llavero55 жыл бұрын
And paradoxically the M2 is the less sporty of all.
@GMfortutub5 жыл бұрын
Sport cars is for performance, not for noise.
@tedjohnson645 жыл бұрын
Nice review! Looks like there’s massive glare on the infotainment screen (the tablet mounted on the dash) on all of the cars. Seems like a horrible design flaw to not have a cowl around it (like there is for the tach and speedometer). Your thoughts?
@StymieBlymie5 жыл бұрын
Just made an appointment with my eye doctor but then saw the comments about the 1988 resolution of this video.
@PurgatoryVLM5 жыл бұрын
Buy the one you want. Best.Advice.Ever
@NellysaintsSROP5 жыл бұрын
You had all the equipment and cars to do a great review yet you gave us a dull review with no conlusion. big thumbs down from me!
@tCruzin4Lyfe5 жыл бұрын
I want the Supra, hopefully it'll be around next year when I'll be able to purchase it.