Shimano derailleur problem - SROAD lightweight cassette

A solution to shifting issues and skipping gears using lightweight SROAD cassettes!
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A few weeks back, I reviewed the light, durable, and great value SROAD cassettes for my carbon road bike. The cassettes themselves seemed great, very well constructed using chromoly steel, and SUPER lightweight, compared to a standard Shimano CS-R7000 cassette from a 105 groupset.
However, the shifting was pretty terrible, so I could not recommend them. I was using a Shimano 105 R7000 rear derailleur for the testing, and several people in the comments suggested the newer derailleur style could be causing issues. So I bought myself an older style Ulterga 6800 rear derailleur to test the theory.
The older style Ultegra derailleur offers a much smaller B-Gap throughout the shifting range, and this ultimately appears to have solved the problem. The SROAD cassette now shifts pretty much just as well as Shimano Hyperglide cassettes, so as long as you run the older style rear derailleurs, I have no hesitation recommending them.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Start
00:25 - Sponsor segment
01:54 - Intro
03:52 - Shimano rear derailleur issue
04:55 - Ultegra 6800 rear derailleur
07:17 - Shifting test
08:19 - Conclusion
10:49 - Outro
12:17 - Bonus clip
15:23 - 3d printed carbon saddle
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[@galenkehler]

Couple of 🥖 for you: 🥖1. The "shadow" refers to the placement of the cable actuation arm and cable stop, being they are in the "shadow" of the derailleur and cassette from an aerodynamic perspective. First came along in the MTB derailleurs, as moving those arms inboard reduced the chance of them being struck by rocks. 🥖2. the clip of the poor shifting with the shadow der initially has the b-screw adjusted too far out, the upper pulley should be closer 🥖3. The old ultegra derailleur has an offset upper pulley, it's different in its setup and motion, as it relies on spring tension to position the pulley. It's less precise, so it'll accommodate a wider variety of tolerance in cassette and chain. This might be better for mixing and matching, as well as accommodation of poorly toleranced parts.

[@benthilwind6908]

Brilliant explanation 👏

[@porkadobo813]

Me seeing the position of the rd b-screw. Made me think "that's an awkward position"

[@janeblogs324]

1. Gets mighty close to the spokes now too

[@TraceVelo]

Thanks Galen, amazing comment, this is why I love reading these, and looking at some of the Shimano MTB groupsets I can see the trickle down of this shadow tech! Regarding the B-screw, on both this episode and my other SROAD one, I adjusted the jockey wheel each time to sit VERY close to the largest sprocket on the cassette (almost to the point of them grinding against each other). From what I have seen, the older style derailleurs keep the chain a little closer to the teeth on the smaller sprockets, hence the better shifting performance lower down the cassette. Anyway, thanks for the comment dude, loving the baguette bullet points btw! 🥖🥖🥖

[@GibRealistic]

2. There just may be problem with derailler hanger geometry, after adding blink it can be outside od requiered tolerance range. It is quite common problem when using shadow derailler without direct mount hanger.

[@keirjamieson8123]

Brilliant vid as always. This is why this has to be the best cycling channel on KZbin. Not many other creators who would take the time to get to the bottom of the issue and getting a video clarifying this just goes above and beyond. The comments section is always a wealth of knowledge on these vids too just a brilliant community 👍

[@TraceVelo]

Thanks Keir! I have honestly learnt SO much from the comments over the years it's crazy. It's honestly one of my favourite parts of this KZbin stuff, and I love the fact that people are so passionate and willing to share their knowledge! 😊

[@EstelonAgarwaen]

Another channel i love for the just nerdy stuff is rides of japan. Great content and beautiful riding clips in the video. (Luke id really appreciate some more riding clips. Love to see descending clips when its avout brakes. )

[@1sigmabikes]

Solid bonus material. Fully satiated

Meanwhile it's because Cassette rhyme with BAGUETTE

[@SIRHC119]

🥖🥖🥖🥖

[@Kamiudalan1489]

From France 2 hours before the time to queue for the baguette 🥖 of the night

[@benediktusmaximus9516]

🥖🥖🥖🥕🥖🥖🥖

[@hisdadjames4876]

🍩🍩🍩🍩🍩🍩

[@william3k]

You're one of my fav KZbinrs. Great energy and insight as always. You have a great community too. Look forward to the next one ! 🥖🥖🥖🥖

[@boyacki]

What a shocking Monday so thank you for making my day!!! Really happy to see that the comments help to develop your channel, shows the community you've grown. Love the passion and this cross compatibility is very interesting! Thank you and tres bien work!🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖

[@hockysa]

🥖 love that you revisited this cassette. Definitely worth knowing.

[@andyamos8594]

Wow! excellent comparison! So comprehensive and helpful as always!

[@TraceVelo]

Cheers Andy, glad you liked it!!

[@powdamunki]

Smashed it again Luke. Got over 3000km on my S-road on last edition di2 ultegra and its bloomin sweet!

[@jackn4853]

🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖Another informative, well produced and to the point video. Always a pleasure to watch. Thank you Luke.

[@rogerbergua6268]

🥖 Those cranks at the bonus part look 🔥🔥🔥 Looking forward to the review. Awesome work.

[@johnstygall860]

Thanks for Siroko heads up Luke, fantastic clothes, even the socks are super. Totally sold on their cycling gear

[@becyk_du_quebec]

Thanks for the amazing video as always Luke! I actually thought my shifting was fine with GRX derailleur and one Sroad cassette but I built another bike with an old 5800 derailleur and you're right, shifting is much more crisp and "forgiving". The lack of ramps probably does a big difference. Sadly for gravel no old style Shimano derailleurs have clutches afaik...

[@TraceVelo]

Yeah I can see the clutch issue beaing a bit of a dealbreaker on gravel... Probably best to stick with Hyperglide cassettes in this case. Anyway, thanks for the comment!!!

[@jimbrittain402]

I bought a Sensah Empire set on your say-so; been very happy. I have every respect for your going back and revisiting this; thanks both to your subscriber/commenters, and to you for the update. As one of the other KZbinrs to whom I subscribe says, "Ride reasonably-priced bikes." Baguettes? 🥖🥖 How about some cheese to go with? 🧀🧀 (I don't do wine, so here's some coffee: ☕☕) I'm so glad for your content, Luke (that IS still your name, right?)

[@4knetic723]

Glad to hear his name is still Luke! On a serious note though, great video as always!

[@gravelpit4201]

glad i saw the bonus part the cranks and the saddle are those two things i would have asked you to review

[@icorlaiti]

Can't wait to see the next bike build... Those parts look 🥖

[@kukulele]

it's already below 0 temps celsius in Finland, haha can't wait -25c in winter, always cycling!

[@jonathan_f2]

I'm running a 105 R7000 RD paired with one of those ultra lightweight steel/alloy cassettes which doesn't have the hyper glide teeth profile and I have no problem shifting. I had to put extra care into my B-screw adjustment and hanger placement, but it's working well with an 11-32t cassette. I'm tempted to try the SRoad cassette once this one wears out. I used to run a 105 5800 RD and I actually prefer the older style RDs which seem to have a smoother chain line. Though the shadow style RDs have saved my derailleur hanger from being bent due to numerous bike drops which honestly I find to be the biggest benefit of the shadow design!

[@paulpetrie6660]

I've been running sroad cassettes on my ultegra 8000 Di2 rear derailleur for 2 years without problems. That's including gold, silver, 11-28, and 11-32 variants. All worked great on a KMC chain!

[@TraceVelo]

Hmmmm... I've never actually been fortunate enough to ride a Di2 setup, but I know you have very granular control over the indexing of the gears, so I suspect this helps a bunch, difficult to say tho 🤔🤔🤔

[@amdeichgescheitert5779]

Same here got di2 on all of my bikes only use sram red 11 speed and s road cassettes without any issue

[@maxab7e63s5]

I purchase those same cranks, and I knocked off 100+ grams from my original cranks. Glad to see you found them.

[@georgec2894]

Interested it it’s longevity. For me that is important when deciding on my cassette choice. Great video as always, deserves a 🥖

[@stefanohbellote9948]

nice video, luke! as someone said, your effotr to getting to the bottom is admirable, this really stands out from any other channel out there!! love to see that you got a 3D printed saddle, these have long intrigued me, as I like it for being different but not sure it's worth the price hahah let's see.. also, Joe (ChinaCycling) just released a video on LTwoo's hydraulic group, so I hope to see that soon in here also!! After all the brake comparison that you've done, from rim to mech/mech-hydro/hydro discs.. would love to see what these ltwoo are against other offerings!!

[@pierrex3226]

Oooo, you got me very excited here sir! Thank you for all your efforts, you are absolutely making a difference to the cycling community, I think is fair to say.

[@TraceVelo]

No problem, glad to to help Pierre!!!! 😀

[@AyataniAsha]

Love your Chanel Luke! Baguette 🥖 forever!

[@paulbowen6763]

Had a similar situation running a Shimano GRX RD RX 400 with an ebay 11-36 Air bike HG cassette, initially great shifting then after 2000 miles difficulty moving up the cassette from the 7th to the 6th sprocket had the equivalent shimano HGX 11-36 with more miles on it but that shifted without a problem . Its been quite a learning curve recently with the shortage/price inflation of components seeing what works and what doesn't !? my next cassette once the shimano is done is a 10 speed SRAM 11-36 which I will run with a KMC chain. One thing I have learned do not use cheap chains always use YBN, KMC, Shimano, SRAM anything cheap unknown is false economy and wears other more expensive components ! Keep up the excellent Vids 🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖

[@Makai_Reacts]

Been waiting, love all your vids :D My crank just snapped :( so can't ride atm.

[@2552legoboy]

Was is Ultegra 6700? just looking out for me ;(

[@jochembeumer2673]

Great video! Very good looking cassette and well explained what a difference a derailleur make. I'm really looking forward to a sensah electronic groupset that is compatibale with 10-12 speed cassettes that could be changed to a different cassette just with some setting changes because it's basically a stepper motor with some gears.

[@ewtcizs1101]

That's great to hear! My cassette still runs fine, and I have a 6870 derailleur! Maybe that was the reason after all 🥖

[@ryanpalo]

I have ~100 miles with that saddle on my gravel bike. SUPER impressed with it.

[@EstelonAgarwaen]

Great to see that ltwoo is going strong! Have you seen the updates on the hydraulic rx groupset? Seems really promising! The chinertown forums groupset news thread contains loads of info. Really hyped to see the ltwoo rx there! Take care and happy riding luke!

[@tn9274]

looking forward the saddle and crankset video.

[@cunvericht]

Great stuff as always Luke. I'd rather have options to use mixed components than be forced to use one brand for good performance. Still looking forward to your L-TWOO GR9 gravel group review.

[@TraceVelo]

Thanks Chuck! Yeah i really need to get that GR-9 groupset slapped on the bike actually. I'll try and get that lined up, it's been on my to-do list for a while now!

[@angela-onesroman8873]

Looking forward to the saddle video 😳⏩

[@TraceVelo]

Yeah initial impressions are great actually!!!

[@user-sl3rn6sx9r]

Great video again 🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖😅😂🤣

[@nicxson8101]

Hey Luke, always fun watching your videos. Im just wondering if you have ever think of reviewing Lightweight budget tires? ive been curious on what you are always using. thanks

[@tigerv88]

To go deeper into the technical aspects, I reckon the cassette would perform better if your par baked a small 🥖, then drill two holes either end and use that as your shadow link. A bit crusty but I reckon it’s good for a few thousand miles😂

[@TraceVelo]

YES TIGER, NOW WE'RE TALKING!!! 🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖

[@onederment]

Gosh learn something every day... that was interesting.

[@happyvodka]

Thanks for the video! Probably going to get one of these cassettes now 🥖🥖🥖

[@Tantewillieja]

Really interested in the saddle review!!

[@rapidrick]

Have that same crankset in my ali basket. Waiting for your review to pull the trigger! They only seem to come in 170 length and I'm same height as you so you'll be a good litmus test for me 😊

[@zechengyou782]

Honestly the 11 speed dura ace cassette is a good option as well. They are not insanely expensive second hand but has titanium construction and is about the same weight as the sroad cassette shown here. For about twice the price there is a lot of durability and reliability to be gained there.

[@Gianniz27]

Who buys a second hand casette. 11 speed Ultegra costs nowadays 90 euros.

[@Tom.Connolly]

🥖🍞🥐🥖🥖🥖🥐🥐🥐🥖🥖🥖🥪 Great content as always Luke

[@Chungleas]

It's the offset top jockeys on 'older' Shimano mechs that helps, keeps the top jockeys closer to the cassette making for better shifts. Funnily enough the latest generation of Shimano MTB mechs seem to have gone back to having more offset on the top jockeys now the range of MTB cassettes has gotten so big...

[@175myles]

"Uploaded 10 minutes ago" This makes me happy because I just sat down.

[@Kamiudalan1489]

Need you back amongUs before black Friday

[@Hill_Walker]

🥖When I first saw these 3D printed saddles appearing, the price always seemed an order of magnitude off. £70 seems much more in the ballpark for an appropriate price. I will be avidly awaiting your reviews of it🥖

[@Ob1sdarkside]

Those cracked bars could be used as a wheel/coat hanger. That new crankset is interesting, I was going to lose weight but buying a lighter crankset seems easier

[@MrThearijal]

The jersey and jacket by Siroko looks so tasty 🤤

[@robinrai4973]

I can confirm Shimano works well with only their cassettes on MTB too, had a deore 11-51 derailleur and it wouldn't shift well at all on a 11-50 Chinese cassette or a 11-48 microshift cassette. Put on a microshift derailleur and shifting was restored

[@aizins3420]

hey as always luke! are you going to try out the ltwoo hydraulic groupset in the future? 👀

[@omaralshehhi7830]

Great and well done

[@noburt9]

LTwoo just came out, not available to buy yet. 11 or 12 speed, alum or carbon hydraulic groupset. I'm excited

[@Grzegorz_Grabowski]

🥖🥖🥖 waiting for your new aliexpress builds! I love it

[@dperreno]

Wow - that is really interesting! I wonder if SROAD might have "used" (copied) the older 9-10 speed hyperglide profiles and not the newer, more aggressive 11-12 speed design. I run SROAD cassettes with SRAM 11-speed (on both a road bike and a gravel bike) and I haven't had any problems. In fact, I think it shifts a bit smoother than my 12-speed SRAM AXS on my newest bike! But generally speaking, I have found that Shimano cassettes do tend to shift smoother than SRAM, for example. They have really refined those hyperglide profiles.

[@trainiax]

FWIW, my 9-speed Hyperglide cassette has the same ramps and varied tooth profiles as the 105 cassette - which are notably absent on the SROAD cassette.

[@-Gothicgirl-]

I would say this casette has a Problem with the climo helps that shimano needs. And this casette is shimano compatible

[@carftoscar]

check the bolt on the pivot point between the RD body and the adapter-link! Have been in the same situation as you are before, but on my Full 6800 system with an RD upgrade to R8000. there are two things that should consider in this "gear indexing is hard to adjust" scenario: 1. wore glide pully (the upper one witch close to the cassette), it can be compared with a new pair in the bike shop. mine RD-6800 get replace with an R8000 due to out stock of pully set (It's heard to say the pully on your R7000 is ok or not by this video BCS of the guard on the view, but it definitely experiences some harsh use by scratch on tooth face) 2. the mounting of the rear derailleur (both on the frame side and RD side) Since the RD replacement, it served me flawlessly for about one and a half years, while the issue comes bake to RD-R8000 this time. My old bike doesn't come with a detachable RD hanger, but after a few runs of RD reinstallation (by remounting the screw connect adapter-link to the frame), find I can still feel a lot of side-to-side wiggle with my hand on the main body of the RD-R8000. Then I later check the bolt on the pivot point between the RD body and the adapter-link, it's quite loose (as I can almost turn it with my square-shaped house keye) Once I tighten it with a hex key, the play between the adapter-link and RD body is gone, and my gear indexing is BANG on again. my guess is that due to the missing pivot spring in the new shadow design pivot could get cease more frequently, In the case of this Shimano just made a bit too much clearance for this pivot by turning two deep grooves at both ends of the mating surface on the bolt. Therefore the stability of shadow RDs are affected by it at an unforgivable level once that bolt is not fully tightened down.

[@mahonah]

I just watched China Cycling's latest video about the new chinese hydraulic road bike groupset by L-Twoo. I can't wait for the possibility of your review. And also hoping Sensah will have an offering soon. 🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖

[@cornishcat11]

that saddle looks very interesting

[@benthilwind6908]

Im so happy you have talked about the setting on the 105 dralier... using a 32 which notch on the hanger should i be on ? Also, not correct i run a campagnolo cassette, centaur 11 34, 105 long cage, ultegra crank

[@andrewgardner7104]

Good vid as always Luke🥖🥖🥖🥖

[@matt_acton-varian]

Interesting to see your problems. I use R7000 with a ZRace cassette from Aliexpress and have had no issues. I run a 32 tooth which the longer cage GS model is better suited for. I have the B limit set carefully but I have no shifting problems (although I do use KMC X11-EL chains and not Shimano) You might have found it easier to use the R7000-SS short cage mech with a 11-28 as that is a more optimum design for that ratio. The shadow design mech has to be very precisely set up to function but once it is set up right, I have no problem.

[@jaro6985]

SROAD and zrace cassettes are not quite the same.

[@matt_acton-varian]

@@jaro6985 I am aware that the construction on both are different as the ZRace I am using is a standard spider design. However it is also not manufactured to Hyperglide standard so the teeth profile is similarly not as aggressive as a Shimano unit.

[@AlexandarHullRichter]

From the perspective of a mechanic, and rider, the best groups Shimano has made ATM are still: 9000 6800 5800 4700 R3000 R2000 Yes, even down to the 8 speed group, the shifting is plenty quick, it's smoother shifting than the newer groups, the RD cable isn't routed into the rear wheel spokes, and this particular generation is very very reliable. All of these groups are based right off the DA-9000 design, and it shows.

[@andreianderson2507]

🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖 One baguette for each sprocket you saved weight on with this revisit, thanks again Luke!

[@njm3211]

Try a 12 speed Shimano HG chain just for the hell of it. I run a 12 speed chain on my 11 speed Durace cassette. The width of the chain is ever so slightly narrower. Seems to shift better at extreme angles. I'll give the Sroad a try. I'm a weight weenie.

[@waynehollard]

Trace bon as always Monsieur velo 🥖🥖🥖

[@ribblevalleycyclist]

This is really interesting Luke. I run two Shimano Shadow Tech derailleur’s on my two bikes. Both use Shimano cassettes. However, I have a recurring issue whereby both intermittently try to jump up the cassette when on the 11T sprocket. I’ve replaced chain, derailleur and cassette, but this pretty experienced cyclist cannot resolve it. I’m now wondering if the problem is being caused by the Shadow Tech linkage.

[@AlexandarHullRichter]

I would check the limit screw. On the 11t, the limit screw controls the RD position more than the cable does. Shimano says to set it so the pulley is slightly outboard of the cassette gear.

[@shannonparker7404]

If we chop Luke's arms off, can he still talk? :-) Lol. Love your work bloke, never stop.

[@TikkanenP]

Using a SunRace cassette with my 105 shifters/GRX rear mech mix. Works perfectly.

[@brankosabol]

SunRace cassette with SLX 11 speed shadow mech on my gravel bike, works great.

[@michaelmechex]

🥖 I'd give you a baguette for every time I watched the whole 40 minute video, but I lost count! I love your content!

[@belverticale]

Lordy Luke, did you not get any matching spacers with ya new bars?

[@nathanieldwarner]

You can get direct mount adapters for the rear mech on AliExpress, may help the shifting with the sroad cassette (eliminating the B link or shadow link, whatever it's called)? Trouble is finding the right adapter

[@eppshredztv9233]

More 🥖🥖 and another great video. I know you mentioned the cassettes working with SRAM 11 speed so would the sraod cassettes work with etap. The weight savings to cost is mental over paying for a red cassette

[@dionthomas7970]

Just fitted the sroad 42-11 on my cross/ gravel bike (after fitting a 28-11 on my road bike) it actually shifts better than the stock sram 1130! (Force 1 set up)

[@benharding3029]

Do the shadow RDs work well with the sroad cassette if your frame has a direct mount hanger and as such has the Blink removed?

[@Plueschtroll]

🥖 It will become a thing eventually. Next time, Luke should wear a barrette. Btw., I am looking forward to the review of the hydrolic disk break from LTwoo. There's no question we will see one on this channel!

[@remitournier2526]

Great video as always! I still believe there must be something with the Sroad. I run an ultegra shadow style derailleur (r8000) with the sroad cassette. And it shifts perfectly. I ride 16 000 Kms a year, I race and I'm very demanding with my equipment. I wouldn't tolerate shifting problems in a race. I would really love to understand why it works with me but not with you. b screw maybe? Oh and as a french guy, here is a lovely one for you : 🥖 C'est très bon en effet ! 😘

[@AlexandarHullRichter]

All the Ultegra derailleurs are significantly stiffer than the 105 derailleurs. That could be a contributing factor.

[@remitournier2526]

@@AlexandarHullRichter Very interesting! Maybe a swap of pulley wheels would do the trick? The 105 have a low friction plastic and ultegra are actual bearings. Both are compatible with eachother...

[@AlexandarHullRichter]

@@remitournier2526 IDK if that would improve shifting performance much, since they all have some wiggle room (I think Shimano does that on purpose). Putting in Ultegra or Dura-Ace pulleys will definitely reduce drivetrain friction though.

[@LOZUPONEJ]

Thank you. Won’t be buying these until they catch up with ultegra 8000 rear

[@richardgate1571]

The Tiagra 4700 rear mech is the non-shadow style and has the same cable pull as 11spd shifters. Another option instead of an older or second hand mech.

[@rbstretch100]

Something is still not quite clear though. I have both an Sroad 11-28 and 11-32. The 11-28 shifted well when new, but now has the same problem you experience. However the 11-32 still runs fine. This makes me wonder whether the b-screw tension is critical. I will try and test.

[@darrengarvie8832]

Hi Luke have you seen the new Ltwoo full hydraulic groupset? 😁 Have missed you content lately but in sure you are busy working 😁

[@Paddyhudson]

My Aliexpress shopping cart is dying, waiting for your review comparison of the latest cable hydraulic brakes.

[@Peluche54]

From my experience, shadow 11s RDs (Ultegra R8000 and Dura-AceR9100) work perfectly with...Campagnolo 11s cassettes (Centaur 11-29 and 11-32). Maybe Shim's Hyperglide and Campag UltraDrive are close enough functionnaly to allow this, and S Road ramp tech is far from them. Considering Shim and Campag are eternal rivals and chineses are more likely to copy the most common tech out there, it would be somehow strange to have Campag/Shim on the one hand and S Road on the other. (BTW I'm a froggy from Paris and home-baking regularly baguettes and other bread forms from my now 2 years old trustworthy sourdough 😁)

[@robinrai4973]

On the mountain bike side I gave up - the advent X cassette is jolly light, has enough range, has good shifting and costs less than 50 quid!

[@jaro6985]

Yeah that seems like a good deal.

[@Illumaca]

🥖 avec du beurre 1/2 sel bien sûr. Thanks Luke, great video.

[@ToolCraze]

Have you checked out a cheap carbon seatpost? Sorry if you've already covered it. Did a quick look through your videos and searched and haven't found a video on one. Curious to see you try one out. Thanks.

[@paulbowen6763]

I have 4 from Toseek ( std. round type) 3 x 27.2mm 1 x 31.9mm the 27.2 were £12 a few years ago! now a fair bit more? I've done thousands of miles on them and no problems about 180g the 31.9mm I bought a few months ago cost £18.00 was 400mm long 240g ( i cut 50mm off as it was unnecessary and just fitted it to a BMC hybrid I own ) Both use the same 2 bolt seat clamp which is easy to adjust from below and once torqued up never gives a problem, make sure you use carbon grip paste when fitting even if the frame is alloy as they can slip

[@paulbowen6763]

31.6mm that should read sorry

[@matthewblue7839]

I guess the butter on the baguette kept things quiet ?:) Any reason you didn’t shift to the largest cogs ? Thx!

[@MultiJuanmontes]

How would the setup look with the Sensah 12 speed rear derailleur and a Sroad or Sunrace cassette?

[@20Gorilla]

🥖🥖🥖 bring on the next build 🥳

[@EstebanAl]

I use sroad cassette with old durace and shift wonderful. 11-34. Also I wear another Chinese cassette in my partner bike with 105 shadow and work perfect

[@agustinburgos8074]

My man, are you sure you got the shimano 105 short cage? if you are running a long cage the b tension will not be enough for the small casssette. let me know Love your videos xoxoxo

[@sitoudien9816]

I've seen Sunrace cassettes sold along side the big names. Are they any good?

[@jake_newman]

Hi Luke, hopefully you're still picking up comments on this. Do you know if this cassette will fit onto the Elite Drive wheels without hitting the spokes. Think I saw a video where a 12 speed cassette had an issue as the largest 'cog' was essentially screwed onto the back of an 11 speed and therefore hit the spokes of an Elite Drive set of wheels. Building a second hand Sram AXS/Aliexpress groupset up.

[@KvnDspMntjs]

I have shimano 105 5800 SS and 11-28 cassette. I plan on upgrading the cage of my rd with a OSPW so i can fit wider range cassette on it.. Can I fit a 11-34 cassette with this setup?

[@retsu1182]

I bought integrated handlebars from RXL too and the stem was uneven at the bottom so wouldn't clamp onto the fork with an even amount of pressure so the fork was always wobbly no matter how tight you screwed it in. Most of the reviews were 5 stars too but after filtering to 1 star reviews I saw a lot of other people have this problem so it was due to poor engineering tolerances. You have to be very careful with Chinese parts from smaller brands because if i didnt notice the fork wobbling and cycled i could of been seriously injured. Im gonna stick to bigger brands like ICAN after experience and I would recommend to stick with brands that have something to lose after selling you a faulty product and not one that will disappear overnight.

[@i_Chill]

Hey luke! Great vid as always! Can you try the new ltwoo groupset? apparently it is now hydraulic both in 11 and 12 speed, and both have alluminum and carbon variants. And YES!! You've read it right. LTWOO now makes Hydraulic brakes for their Road groupsets!

[@TraceVelo]

Yeah I cannot WAIT to get gold of a set of those LTWOO hydraulic shifters. I've asked, so hopefully they send me a set review 🤞

[@i_Chill]

@@TraceVelo ohh I will definitely wait for that video to come out! Can't wait!! Godbless you brother!

[@andrewhaychemistry]

🥖 for your 🦆 Those cranks strong enough to push full power through without fatigue?

[@SuperBetoarroyo]

great!! you think ultegra RD r8000 works?

[@josepz]

Do you know if I can mount a shimano 12s cassette on a campagnolo ratchet rear wheel? Or if Sensah empire pro 12s will work fine with my 10 speed campagnolo cassette? I can't find a not excessively expense 12s campagnolo compatible cassette...do you know one?

[@renegodde5483]

SRoad 12 speed cassette 11-32 works absolutely fine with latest Dura Ace btw…

[@brucehoskings3449]

Help, please I have sensah empire pro carbon 11 speed and it be driving me crazy to go up the 28 it double click but then when I let the lever go it single clicks and drops back a gear. Love the show I have been around bikes for a long time I am 71.

[@JacobWilson]

I'm using a ztto cassette on my Sensah SRX groupset. made in the same way, only thing is the inner sleeve is loose and makes the cassette quite loud